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| 05:11:57 | midk | yo bc |
| 05:12:04 | BC | yo |
| 05:12:13 | midk | what's up? |
| 05:12:20 | BC | nothing |
| 05:12:39 | midk | ah. lol |
| 05:12:54 | midk | sort of tired - four hours of sleep is all i got, 15 hours ago |
| 05:13:17 | gromit`AW | gnite :) |
| 05:13:25 | gromit`AW | i must have some sleep too :) |
| 05:13:32 | BC | not likely to get much symapthy from an insomniac |
| 05:13:34 | BC | nit gromit`AW |
| 05:13:58 | midk | nite |
| 05:14:10 | midk | bcbc insomniac? |
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| 05:24:00 | alien69 | hi guys |
| 05:24:06 | midk | hey |
| 05:24:06 | alien69 | i need help! |
| 05:24:07 | dstar5 | hi |
| 05:24:11 | midk | hey dids |
| 05:24:21 | dstar5 | hey mids |
| 05:24:44 | alien69 | rockbox is hung on my archos |
| 05:24:48 | midk | lol |
| 05:24:52 | dstar5 | go on... |
| 05:25:29 | alien69 | it's just stuck on the rockbox logo on the front whenever i turn it on |
| 05:25:55 | alien69 | if it's off, and i plug in the usb cord, it connects using the regular os |
| 05:26:03 | midk | then delete rockbox. |
| 05:26:06 | alien69 | i did |
| 05:26:16 | midk | and it still happens? |
| 05:26:16 | dstar5 | alien69, flashed? |
| 05:26:19 | alien69 | and then it boots up fine into the old os |
| 05:26:21 | midk | of course not. |
| 05:26:36 | alien69 | then i put on a new archos file from the zip of the site, and it happens again |
| 05:26:42 | midk | are you sure you got the right version of rockbox? |
| 05:26:46 | alien69 | it's sittin on my desk now, with the rockbox logo just chillin |
| 05:26:51 | midk | make sure you also get the whole zip, not just the ajbrec |
| 05:26:55 | BC | my quick guess is wrong version of rockbox |
| 05:27:07 | alien69 | it's been workin fine for the past month |
| 05:27:16 | alien69 | it's version 2.2 for the v2 recorder which is what i got |
| 05:27:22 | BC | ARGH |
| 05:27:24 | BC | upgrade |
| 05:27:28 | alien69 | to what? |
| 05:27:33 | BC | "daily build" |
| 05:27:34 | dstar5 | getdaily much better |
| 05:27:45 | BC | 2.2 is DEAD |
| 05:27:47 | alien69 | is there a compiled one out there? |
| 05:27:50 | dstar5 | rockbox.haxx.se/daily.shtml |
| 05:27:58 | dstar5 | alien69, yes look there |
| 05:28:08 | alien69 | k, thanks |
| 05:28:12 | alien69 | by the way, rockbox rules |
| 05:28:15 | alien69 | you guys kick ass |
| 05:28:22 | BC | ty :) |
| 05:28:23 | dstar5 | :) |
| 05:28:50 | BC | you can try my build with the all-new audio features if you like? |
| 05:29:01 | alien69 | which one is it? |
| 05:29:03 | BC | it's not totally recent, but it is certainly more up to date than 2.2 |
| 05:29:14 | BC | homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems |
| 05:29:19 | dstar5 | BC: your audio 3587 patch? |
| 05:29:35 | dstar5 | BC: your source link for that is bad :( |
| 05:29:40 | BC | was |
| 05:29:46 | BC | until you reported it |
| 05:29:58 | dstar5 | good |
| 05:30:00 | dstar5 | thanks |
| 05:30:22 | alien69 | BC: does your build include a rom so i can flash mine? |
| 05:30:33 | BC | yep :) |
| 05:30:40 | alien69 | sweet! |
| 05:31:15 | alien69 | firmware jbr-v2 ? |
| 05:31:32 | BC | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems |
| 05:31:57 | midk | BC, yours is the only site with the text "firmware jbr-v2" on it |
| 05:32:08 | midk | the answer is yes |
| 05:32:10 | midk | v2. |
| 05:32:17 | alien69 | k, cool |
| 05:34:53 | alien69 | it works! |
| 05:34:58 | alien69 | thanks guys |
| 05:35:16 | BC | welcome ;) |
| 05:35:18 | alien69 | bc, where do i find flash file? |
| 05:35:36 | BC | it's the ucl file in the zip - same as rockbox builds (make with the rockbox daily build util) |
| 05:35:44 | BC | make -> made |
| 05:35:59 | alien69 | cool |
| 05:36:06 | alien69 | what's rockbox written in? straight c? |
| 05:36:25 | midk | BCBC |
| 05:36:26 | midk | yes, |
| 05:36:39 | BC | mainly, some assembler where it matters |
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| 05:36:46 | BC | C89 |
| 05:36:53 | BC | REAL C |
| 05:36:59 | dstar5 | :) |
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| 05:37:30 | alien69 | you guys work mostly on unix or windows? |
| 05:37:40 | dstar5 | both |
| 05:37:40 | BC | cygwin under windows |
| 05:37:54 | dstar5 | most of the "leaders" USE LINUX |
| 05:37:59 | BC | the core guys are mostly linux |
| 05:37:59 | midk | i do |
| 05:38:02 | alien69 | =) |
| 05:38:02 | midk | somewhat. |
| 05:38:09 | midk | i feel important? |
| 05:38:17 | midk | no, because my screen is running at 60hz |
| 05:38:20 | BC | linus & dragon use windows iirx |
| 05:38:22 | BC | iirc |
| 05:38:27 | midk | that really steams my broccoli |
| 05:38:30 | midk | linus has a mc |
| 05:38:32 | midk | mac* too |
| 05:39:03 | alien69 | got it |
| 05:39:31 | midk | yopyoyoyuoyoy7oyuoyuonp |
| 05:40:01 | alien69 | cool, i think i just messed up my rom |
| 05:40:10 | BC | F1 :) |
| 05:40:27 | dstar5 | F1 + ON :) |
| 05:40:54 | midk | bc is so cryptic |
| 05:41:06 | midk | you have to be a mind reader or you have to ask someone else for full details :) |
| 05:41:23 | midk | luckily dids was here to save you |
| 05:41:23 | midk | but next time watch out |
| 05:41:53 | alien69 | lol |
| 05:41:56 | alien69 | hasn't saved me yet |
| 05:42:12 | alien69 | i tried running the ucl |
| 05:42:14 | alien69 | bad idea |
| 05:42:23 | midk | um |
| 05:42:25 | midk | not a bad idea |
| 05:42:38 | alien69 | sorry, not usually probably |
| 05:42:54 | midk | what did you do unusually? |
| 05:43:10 | alien69 | right arrow to run it |
| 05:43:17 | alien69 | it said "no image file" |
| 05:43:33 | alien69 | then it went back to the directory menu and it's stuck there |
| 05:44:14 | midk | reboot. |
| 05:44:27 | alien69 | can't |
| 05:44:36 | dstar5 | hold off |
| 05:44:37 | alien69 | no button response |
| 05:44:40 | dstar5 | until it does |
| 05:44:56 | dstar5 | it HAS to turn off |
| 05:45:15 | midk | calm down |
| 05:45:18 | midk | you could just say hold off. |
| 05:45:23 | alien69 | you're right, i feel dumb |
| 05:45:32 | midk | no need to start yelling about "it HAS to, it HAS to!" |
| 05:45:41 | dstar5 | lol |
| 05:45:54 | * | dstar5 entertains himself with a degauss |
| 05:46:07 | alien69 | how old are you guys? |
| 05:46:09 | BC | there is a h/w shutdown tied to a long press of OFF |
| 05:46:12 | BC | too |
| 05:46:13 | dstar5 | me? 14 |
| 05:46:16 | Strath | don't seem so sure alien :) |
| 05:46:31 | alien69 | about what strath? |
| 05:46:32 | Strath | heh... damn 'lag' |
| 05:47:00 | Strath | widwod was scroll locked at "sorry, not usually probably" |
| 05:47:08 | Strath | er, window |
| 05:47:31 | alien69 | :) |
| 05:48:37 | alien69 | so should i still follow the pdf document on the site as far as flashing the rom goes? |
| 05:50:39 | Ka_ | midk! where the hell are ya man? |
| 05:51:05 | midk | um, here.. not there. |
| 05:51:05 | alien69 | midk the answer man? |
| 05:51:14 | midk | alien69, ? |
| 05:51:16 | Ka_ | midk: i can see that |
| 05:51:21 | Ka_ | midk: one sec.. |
| 05:51:36 | alien69 | argh? |
| 05:51:37 | midk | ka: ? |
| 05:55:23 | alien69 | hey bc, i like the upside down option |
| 05:55:25 | alien69 | thanks guys! |
| 05:55:27 | alien69 | later |
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| 06:06:54 | | Join Thomas1 [0] (~jirc@ipn36372-b72898.net-resource.net) |
| 06:08:12 | Thomas1 | ehh, hello, anybody here can help a guy who setted the contrast too high and sees nothing than black? |
| 06:09:49 | dstar5 | yes |
| 06:09:49 | BC | LOL |
| 06:09:57 | BC | sorry, did it myself last night |
| 06:12:00 | Thomas1 | hey, thats great. I have a recorder v1 with Rockbox v2.2 - i just need the key combination to access the contrast settings |
| 06:14:12 | BC | sorry, dont run a version that old |
| 06:15:07 | Thomas1 | does the menu changes that much? |
| 06:15:08 | BC | upgrading would probably solve the problem anyway |
| 06:15:17 | BC | im sure there was a complete reorg |
| 06:15:33 | BC | f1 up right up play left |
| 06:15:39 | BC | should get voice menus going |
| 06:15:54 | BC | scrub that |
| 06:15:58 | BC | no voice in 2.2 |
| 06:17:16 | BC | upgrade dude ...it will be so worth it on so many levels |
| 06:17:21 | dstar5 | :) |
| 06:17:57 | Thomas1 | hmm, bad luck, ok, so i will try to upgrade that damn thing :-) |
| 06:18:22 | BC | every1 here runs all the latest features :) |
| 06:19:02 | BC | (other than the weirdos who dont have units - lol) |
| 06:19:21 | dstar5 | are you caliing me a weirdo? |
| 06:19:28 | BC | lol |
| 06:19:30 | dstar5 | well i do havea unit, just not working |
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| 06:24:38 | Thomas1 | hmm, just replacing the .rockbox and the ajbrec.ajz didn't resolve the problem. Any idea? |
| 06:27:10 | dstar5 | press f1, down, down, right, down, down, right, down, down, right, down, down, down, right, (up/down) |
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| 06:28:31 | Thomas1 | oh, THANKS a lot, you made my night :-) |
| 06:28:48 | dstar5 | :) |
| 06:28:55 | dstar5 | np |
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| 06:34:53 | midk | CSBC |
| 06:35:02 | CSBluechip | isme |
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| 06:38:14 | midk | yo linus! |
| 06:38:22 | midk | my countdown code is 50% complete |
| 06:38:28 | midk | well including bug testing, 10% |
| 06:38:28 | midk | :D |
| 06:39:02 | LinusN | wooo |
| 06:39:42 | BlueChip | you timer code can be tested with my ui updates |
| 06:39:48 | midk | nooooesss |
| 06:41:52 | BlueChip | wow! never seen moasic before!! |
| 06:43:08 | midk | moasic? |
| 06:43:31 | LinusN | hi BlueChip |
| 06:43:35 | BlueChip | hey linus |
| 06:43:55 | BlueChip | does the thread system run under the ui dude? |
| 06:44:28 | BlueChip | wanted to add "press f12 to simulate usb connected" ...but the code is not up to the usual standard |
| 06:47:23 | LinusN | the win32 simulator attempts to simulate the threading, but the usb thread is not simulated |
| 06:48:08 | LinusN | however, go to Menu->Info->USB (sim) to bring up the USB screen |
| 06:49:00 | BlueChip | The usb hook back from plugins is a pain to implement well ...it would be nice to be able to plug in the usb cable while testing a plugin |
| 06:50:11 | BlueChip | other than audio, there is nothing i can think of left to implement - backlight, invert, flip, resize, ontop, task-bar ...all done |
| 06:50:19 | BlueChip | timer works |
| 06:53:40 | LinusN | cool |
| 06:54:05 | LinusN | i don't think simulating the usb is an easy thing to do |
| 06:54:36 | BlueChip | i dont think the core threading system runs, else I could just do it with that |
| 06:54:54 | LinusN | still, just faking the USB_CONNECTED/DISCONNECTED events is probably fairly simple |
| 06:55:35 | LinusN | the core threading doesn't run |
| 06:55:42 | BlueChip | i tried adding F12 as a keystrke which returned SYS_USB_CONNECTED ...but it didn't help :( |
| 06:55:50 | LinusN | returned? |
| 06:55:58 | BlueChip | get_key |
| 06:56:14 | LinusN | the plugin didn't get it? |
| 06:56:25 | BlueChip | i tried it from the browser |
| 06:56:49 | LinusN | tree.c has the usb code #ifdef SIMULATOR, afaik |
| 06:57:08 | LinusN | ifndef of cource |
| 06:57:17 | midk | reboot brb |
| 06:57:17 | LinusN | course |
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| 06:59:59 | BlueChip | no tree appears to use the keyboard feedback ..weirdness |
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| 07:03:01 | LinusN | set a breakpoint |
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| 07:04:54 | BlueChip | fer sure - I will find it ;) |
| 07:17:31 | dstar5 | brb |
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| 07:48:39 | dstar5 | nite night |
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| 07:48:47 | BlueChip | nitely |
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| 08:41:01 | amiconn | LinusN: Is there a reason why the greenish shade used by the screenshot feature in Rockbox itself is different from that used in the simulator and the screenshots done with it? |
| 08:47:00 | Strath | could it be because different devices display colours diferently? |
| 08:47:55 | Strath | and the simulator trys to simulate the colour of the device's output rather than the value used? |
| 08:48:36 | amiconn | Strath: I don't think so... the screenshot is the same kind of "fake" output as the simulator display |
| 08:49:11 | Strath | just a guess :) |
| 08:49:13 | BlueChip | I presume this is the x11 sim? |
| 08:49:49 | amiconn | BlueChip:No, Win32 |
| 08:50:01 | BlueChip | in which case, a couple of things.... |
| 08:50:22 | BlueChip | first off I have just revamped the living b'jeezuz out of the win32sim |
| 08:50:43 | BlueChip | second, how are you obtaining your screen shots? |
| 08:51:26 | amiconn | I compared the screenshots done with the sim with those done with the screenshot feature in the wiki. The latter are significantly darker. |
| 08:51:41 | amiconn | While the sim uses #90EE90, the screenshot feature uses #80B080 |
| 08:51:48 | BlueChip | how do you "do" your screenshot with the sim? |
| 08:51:56 | BlueChip | alt-prtscr? |
| 08:52:40 | amiconn | I think they were done that way, since back then there was no inbuilt screenshot feature. |
| 08:52:56 | amiconn | I'm not talking of doing them myself. |
| 08:52:57 | BlueChip | i did not know there was one now - I have not seen it!? |
| 08:54:13 | amiconn | I'ts in for a couple of days now (only for recorders & recorder sim - see http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenDump) |
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| 08:54:45 | Christi-S | Morning all. |
| 08:54:51 | BlueChip | mornin |
| 08:54:55 | amiconn | Morning |
| 08:55:41 | Christi-S | Linus - screendump doesn't seem to work on the Windows player UI sim (but since the font is terrible, I'm probably better off using UNIX). |
| 08:56:13 | amiconn | BlueChip: I'm asking because I now implemented a screenshot function in the grayscale lib. I chose the sim's shade of green (looks better imho) |
| 08:56:17 | Christi-S | And the ability to dump the splash screen would also be cool if it's easy to do. |
| 08:56:56 | amiconn | BlueChip: There are already 2 screenshots of mandelbrot.rock done with it :) |
| 08:57:07 | BlueChip | awesome |
| 08:57:34 | BlueChip | do you have a frame buffer with the 0..255 values anywhere so I can greyscale in the sim? |
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| 09:01:30 | amiconn | No ... this would take too much RAM if you want to run within the plugin memory. |
| 09:01:50 | BlueChip | this is for the sim |
| 09:02:14 | amiconn | There is no grayscale for the sim yet, because of this. |
| 09:02:36 | BlueChip | why not add a #ifdef SIM and slap in the required buffer? |
| 09:02:52 | BlueChip | you must already have all the date? |
| 09:02:53 | BlueChip | ata? |
| 09:02:56 | BlueChip | argh |
| 09:03:00 | BlueChip | d a t a |
| 09:03:00 | amiconn | No. |
| 09:03:32 | BlueChip | but you take a 0..255 value for every pixel - do you just throw it away? |
| 09:03:39 | Christi-S | Bah - you're all determined to make the life of poor manual writers difficult. ;) |
| 09:04:17 | BlueChip | not me, my docs are ace <gloats> :) |
| 09:04:23 | BlueChip | lol |
| 09:04:54 | amiconn | BlueChip:The 0..255 value is used to look up a bit pattern from a table. ALmost all graphics primitives use these patterns when calling the low level functions. |
| 09:05:25 | BlueChip | yes, but why not just throw it in an array - maybe i am underestimating the challenge this presents ? |
| 09:06:27 | amiconn | This would require to implement almost everything in a different way |
| 09:06:43 | BlueChip | surely just the plot primitive? |
| 09:07:03 | BlueChip | or maybe at the point when you do the lookup |
| 09:07:08 | amiconn | No, every primitive, maybe except gray_drawgraymap() |
| 09:07:57 | Christi-S | Dammit! Is running the latest daily build *supposed* to wipe all my settings? |
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| 09:08:07 | BlueChip | i fear so :( |
| 09:08:19 | amiconn | Christi-S: Yes, as the settings revision had to be bumped |
| 09:08:52 | amiconn | BlueChip: It could be done the same way the screenshot feature does work now: by reverse calculation of the gray value from the bitpattern in the low level functions |
| 09:09:20 | Christi-S | Fortunately I have cfg files saved for this eventuality./ |
| 09:09:28 | BlueChip | amiconn: sounds fair |
| 09:09:43 | Christi-S | Oh, and the Windows installer daily build worked. Woo! |
| 09:09:57 | Christi-S | (See, I didn't say woot this time. I was good.) |
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| 09:10:29 | amiconn | BlueChip: The other thing I don't know yet is how to access the graphics memory directly in the sim. |
| 09:10:34 | amiconn | re LinusN |
| 09:11:07 | amiconn | LinusN: got my question? |
| 09:11:54 | LinusN | reading the logs - my irc client f*cked up somehow |
| 09:12:14 | amiconn | [08:41:24] <amiconn> LinusN: Is there a reason why the greenish shade used by the screenshot feature in Rockbox itself is different from that used in the simulator and the screenshots done with it? |
| 09:12:18 | LinusN | Christi-S: the daily build didn't work, i made it by hand again... |
| 09:12:33 | Christi-S | Oh, arse. |
| 09:12:37 | Christi-S | What went wrong? |
| 09:13:00 | LinusN | amiconn: simple - the bmp file generated by rockbox has its own color table |
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| 09:13:23 | amiconn | Yes, of course, but is there a reson why? |
| 09:13:28 | LinusN | the older screenshots are made by copying the window contents |
| 09:13:51 | amiconn | (The old shade of green looks better imho) |
| 09:13:58 | LinusN | no particular reason, i just used the color table that has been in the rockbox code since the dawn of time |
| 09:14:12 | LinusN | the screenshot function is ooooold |
| 09:14:22 | LinusN | it just haven't been used for very long |
| 09:14:42 | LinusN | we can brighten it up if we want |
| 09:14:57 | amiconn | Ah ok. I chose the brighter shade for my implementation of the grayscale screenshot. |
| 09:15:04 | LinusN | i think the green tone in the sim is too, well, green :-) |
| 09:15:12 | Christi-S | Linus - it'd be helpful if it looked vaguely similar to the ones in the current manual. |
| 09:15:22 | BlueChip | #define UI_LCD_PAPER_R 97 |
| 09:15:22 | BlueChip | #define UI_LCD_PAPER_G 173 |
| 09:15:22 | BlueChip | #define UI_LCD_PAPER_B 102 |
| 09:15:27 | BlueChip | #define UI_LCD_PAPERLIGHT_R 68 |
| 09:15:27 | BlueChip | #define UI_LCD_PAPERLIGHT_G 212 |
| 09:15:27 | BlueChip | #define UI_LCD_PAPERLIGHT_B 109 |
| 09:15:33 | LinusN | paper? |
| 09:15:38 | BlueChip | new sim code |
| 09:15:48 | amiconn | [08:52:05] <amiconn> While the sim uses #90EE90, the screenshot feature uses #80B080 |
| 09:16:47 | amiconn | LinusN: There are 2 "digital" screenshots of mandelbrot.rock now :) |
| 09:17:07 | LinusN | 80b080???? |
| 09:17:16 | LinusN | it should be 80d080 |
| 09:18:24 | amiconn | Urgs... you're right. This is still different from #90EE90 though |
| 09:20:06 | LinusN | me fix |
| 09:20:59 | LinusN | is it 90ee90 on both sims? |
| 09:21:56 | amiconn | I checked the screenshots, both at http://rockbox.haxx.se/screenshots/ and in the wiki |
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| 09:23:33 | amiconn | You see the difference if you compare the "PluginClock" screenshots with the others |
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| 09:26:50 | Christi-S | Linus - what does the Super Bass option in the new sound settings do? It seems to be distinct from the MAS settings. |
| 09:27:09 | amiconn | LinusN: Strange.. Win32 Sim apparently uses #44D46D |
| 09:28:01 | amiconn | (on the screen) |
| 09:28:29 | LinusN | not strange at all |
| 09:29:48 | LinusN | Christi-S: it's a Loudness feature, sets the Constant Volume freq to 2kHz instead of 1kHz, only works if Loudness is >0dB |
| 09:30:31 | * | Christi-S never really understood the practical use of loudness. Surely you can just turn the volume up. |
| 09:30:39 | amiconn | LinusN: The X11 sim uses #90EE90 |
| 09:31:07 | LinusN | yes, i'm not surprised that x11 and win32 have different colors |
| 09:31:24 | BlueChip | it rasies the upper and lower frequencies while leaving the mid-range alone ...the upshot is most-commonly an increase in music level and a decrease in vocals ....2KHz makes the world of (imho good) difference |
| 09:31:57 | BlueChip | it gives the audio more "punch" without becoming loud in the most easily heard range |
| 09:32:26 | amiconn | Christi-S: Loudness is related to psycho-acoustics. At lower volume, the human ear gets less sensitive to low and high frequencies than to the midrange. The loudness function corrects this. |
| 09:32:35 | Christi-S | I see what you mean. |
| 09:32:44 | Zagor | compensates, rather ;) |
| 09:32:47 | amiconn | LinusN: Why is that? |
| 09:32:52 | amiconn | Zagor: Yes. |
| 09:33:50 | amiconn | Christi-S: see e.g. http://www.webervst.com/fm.htm |
| 09:34:24 | LinusN | amiconn: why the sims have different colors? |
| 09:34:46 | amiconn | yup. |
| 09:35:03 | LinusN | you seem to think that we care about how the simulators look |
| 09:35:03 | * | Christi-S experiments and decides loudness good, super bass bad. (But then I quite like to hear music the way the person who made it intended it to be.) |
| 09:35:39 | Zagor | LinusN: well someone did, or the winsim wouldn't have that huge archos photo :) |
| 09:36:00 | LinusN | if we cared aboput how they looked, we would have removed that picture :_) |
| 09:36:10 | BlueChip | I do, and have ;) |
| 09:36:25 | amiconn | LinusN: Not at top priority, but I think that the display should look consistent, in case it is used for taking screenshots. |
| 09:36:49 | LinusN | amiconn: why not use the new screenshot feature then? |
| 09:36:59 | LinusN | they look consistenr regardless of platform |
| 09:37:18 | Zagor | well it's naturally more convenient to take screenshots in the simulators |
| 09:37:31 | Zagor | i agree they should look the same no matter how they were made |
| 09:37:36 | LinusN | Zagor: the new screenshot feature works the same in the sims |
| 09:37:38 | * | Christi-S agrees actually. Saves on wear on the USB port too. |
| 09:37:46 | Zagor | LinusN: ah, ok |
| 09:37:50 | LinusN | read the wiki |
| 09:38:08 | amiconn | LinusN: Of course this can now be used, but I (and probably many others) didn't even know about this function until recently |
| 09:38:22 | LinusN | it is new |
| 09:38:24 | Zagor | so basically on sims we create a different color in the screenshot than is displayed on the screen? |
| 09:38:31 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:38:57 | LinusN | we can of course decide on a different color if we don't like the current one |
| 09:39:01 | Christi-S | Linus - is there any sort of screendump features in the player sim, or do we do that the old way? |
| 09:39:16 | LinusN | Christi-S: that has to be done the old-fashioned way... |
| 09:39:24 | amiconn | LinusN: Is there a way to access the screen directly in the sims? (Thinking about making grayscale usable on the sim) |
| 09:39:30 | Christi-S | OK |
| 09:39:32 | LinusN | and that's probably a good reason to synch the colors |
| 09:40:07 | LinusN | amiconn: not really, but anything is possible |
| 09:41:33 | LinusN | so, do we think the current BMP's are too dark? |
| 09:42:07 | midk | *yawns |
| 09:42:09 | midk | what did i miss. |
| 09:42:19 | LinusN | nothing, go back to bed :-) |
| 09:42:30 | midk | hehe :D |
| 09:42:36 | midk | ooh |
| 09:42:39 | midk | bmps? gfx? |
| 09:42:42 | midk | YAY animations? |
| 09:42:47 | midk | grayscaled icons? |
| 09:42:53 | midk | *dreams a good dream |
| 09:44:43 | LinusN | again: do we want to change the color map in the screendump BMP's? |
| 09:44:51 | Christi-S | I vote for whatever means screenshots look the same as the ones in the current manual. |
| 09:45:00 | amiconn | LinusN: Imho the screenshots taken from the X11 sim look best, but then it's only my personal opinion |
| 09:45:04 | Christi-S | But then I'm lazy. |
| 09:45:08 | LinusN | why are the old screenshots important? |
| 09:45:16 | midk | can i vote? |
| 09:45:28 | Zagor | LinusN: so we can reuse them |
| 09:45:36 | Christi-S | Anyone can vote. It's just that no-one has to pay attention. ;) |
| 09:45:41 | BlueChip | lol |
| 09:45:45 | midk | ok i vote.. umm.. |
| 09:45:46 | Zagor | environmentally friendly! |
| 09:45:50 | midk | what are we voting on again |
| 09:46:11 | LinusN | ok, so i'll change to 90ee90 then? |
| 09:46:20 | midk | if i have four options i pick #3. |
| 09:46:35 | Christi-S | Because I'd feel that if they were different I'd need to redo the ones that are in the current manual, whereas if they're the same, I only need to redo ones that have changed. |
| 09:46:41 | amiconn | midk: You have 3 options ;) |
| 09:46:48 | midk | ok #3!! |
| 09:47:03 | Christi-S | (Of course I may just be lazy and live with any difference.) |
| 09:47:27 | LinusN | are there that many screenshots that look the same? |
| 09:47:47 | LinusN | i have committed the color map change |
| 09:48:25 | Christi-S | The file browse screen, the main settings menu. |
| 09:48:55 | Christi-S | Hopefully others. |
| 09:49:00 | Christi-S | Like I said, I'm lazy. |
| 09:49:07 | LinusN | the main settings menu has changed *a lot* since 2.2, iirc |
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| 09:49:32 | LinusN | the file browser is different too, since the button bar is default nowadays |
| 09:49:51 | Christi-S | Ah, right. |
| 09:50:12 | * | Christi-S turns it off anyway. |
| 09:50:29 | * | amiconn turns it off too |
| 09:50:38 | Christi-S | Another good reason for using the sims to do screen shots. |
| 09:51:02 | LinusN | there is practically no reason at all to use the target for screenshots |
| 09:51:35 | midk | auun |
| 09:51:35 | LinusN | except for those screens that are different or not present in the sims |
| 09:51:35 | Zagor | the debug screens |
| 09:51:41 | midk | i dodn't even gt to tes it yet |
| 09:51:47 | midk | ok time fo rme to sleep. |
| 09:51:49 | midk | lol |
| 09:52:04 | LinusN | the recorder sound settings, the recording screen |
| 09:53:19 | LinusN | Christi-S: not that taking screenshots in the sims is as easy as pressing F5 in the win32 sim and 5 in the x11 sim |
| 09:53:23 | LinusN | note |
| 09:54:54 | Christi-S | I know. I'm saying it's easier than doing them on the JB. |
| 09:56:38 | amiconn | LinusN: If the core screendump feature would have a function hook that is exposed at the plugin interface, I could make taking screenshots with grayscale plugins equally easy. |
| 09:57:28 | amiconn | The hook should call the hooked function instead of the built-in one if it is "hooked" |
| 09:57:44 | midk | YAY I GOES TO SLEEP |
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| 09:57:55 | midk|sleep | good night, sirs and captain |
| 09:58:17 | Christi-S | See people later, no doubt. |
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| 09:58:20 | midk|sleep | hmm... does "midk|sleep" or "midk|asleep" sound better... |
| 09:58:39 | midk|sleep | or... |
| 09:58:42 | midk|sleep | midk|zzz |
| 09:58:46 | midk|sleep | that is sort of creative |
| 09:58:59 | midk|sleep | you have to be alert to pick up the z's |
| 09:59:12 | midk|sleep | *looks in #c for examples |
| 09:59:52 | midk|sleep | nm, sleep is fine. |
| 09:59:52 | midk|sleep | nite |
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| 10:11:25 | corbell | how strange :P |
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| 15:12:51 | blufrog | anoyone here |
| 15:13:34 | c0utta | yup |
| 15:14:25 | blufrog | hi how are you. do yo uwork on the haxx.se site |
| 15:14:58 | c0utta | i'm doing fine. sometime.. |
| 15:16:17 | blufrog | what is the Windows Installer file thats on the downlaod page? |
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| 15:18:31 | blufrog | i was wondering what it installs. cant digure it out. its on the dily builds page |
| 15:18:37 | amiconn | LinusN: Are you around? |
| 15:19:39 | c0utta | blufrog: on http://rockbox.haxx.se/download ? |
| 15:21:06 | amiconn | blufrog: It is a convenient way to install rockbox if you are a Windows user |
| 15:21:45 | blufrog | but... what version does it install? i have a studio20 and a rec40 |
| 15:22:45 | amiconn | It contains all version, and probably presents a menu to select from (I didn't try it myslef, since I roll my own builds) |
| 15:22:51 | amiconn | *versions |
| 15:23:14 | blufrog | last night, i took the 20gb drive form my v1 recorder and put a 40gb in the recorder |
| 15:23:43 | * | amiconn has a v1 Recorder with 80 GB :) |
| 15:23:46 | blufrog | have you ever used a AV340 |
| 15:23:58 | amiconn | no. |
| 15:24:02 | blufrog | amicon v1 recorder is the best isnt it |
| 15:25:33 | amiconn | I'd like to have a radio as well, but then the v1 recorders seem to be more reliable than the fms |
| 15:29:17 | blufrog | you have 80gb of mp3s? what do you listen o |
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| 15:33:31 | LinusN | amiconn: i'm here |
| 15:35:07 | amiconn | LinusN: I had a look at the graphics operations for the sim. |
| 15:35:39 | amiconn | I should be able to implement direct access for rendering grayscale in the Win32 sim (this would require extending the color table and making it accessible via the plugin api)... |
| 15:36:24 | amiconn | ...but I have no idea how this is supposed to work in the X11 sim. |
| 15:36:24 | amiconn | (1) It seems that every pixel is set individually in X11 |
| 15:36:24 | amiconn | (2) I didn't find the place where the colour(s) are defined |
| 15:36:48 | LinusN | do it in the win32 sim, and write stubs for the x11 |
| 15:37:48 | amiconn | I think of doing the following: |
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| 15:38:45 | amiconn | (1) The current implementation uses only 2 color entries. I would extend it to the full 256 and make the table accessible via the api |
| 15:41:35 | amiconn | (2) The gdi bitmap has to be exposed to the api as well (if the grayscale stuff should work self contained). However, this is Win32 specific, so I'd like to avoid it |
| 15:41:35 | amiconn | (3) The backlight switching could be a problem, maybe it requires a callback function. |
| 15:41:47 | amiconn | Any comments or ideas are welcome! |
| 15:43:13 | LinusN | my thinking is this: |
| 15:43:38 | LinusN | do whatever is necessary to make it work, and make the api platform independent |
| 15:43:51 | LinusN | and who cares about the backlight in the simulator? |
| 15:45:24 | dwihno | \o/ |
| 15:45:24 | dwihno | backlight for the people! |
| 15:46:15 | amiconn | Of course I would want to make it platform independent, but there are two problems I cannot imagine how to solve. |
| 15:46:47 | amiconn | (1) I found no equivalent to the display bitmap used in the Win32 sim for X11 |
| 15:48:40 | amiconn | (2) there is no (2). Obviously the X11 sim uses a difference approach to set/ reset individial pixels, without any display bitmap :( |
| 15:49:00 | LinusN | i understand |
| 15:49:13 | LinusN | i have to run now, we'll talk more some other time |
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| 17:03:56 | zeekoe | yay! |
| 17:04:10 | * | zeekoe proud owner of jukebox recorder 20 |
| 17:04:12 | zeekoe | :P |
| 17:05:46 | webmind | congrats |
| 17:05:51 | webmind | now put rockbox on it |
| 17:09:07 | zeekoe | i had the guy whom i bought it from do that |
| 17:09:22 | zeekoe | i've only seen the original firmware for about 20 seconds :P |
| 17:09:40 | zeekoe | now i want to see movies :D |
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| 17:19:31 | blufrog | hey man |
| 17:19:44 | blufrog | i just got my jukebox rec 20 and put a 40 gig in it last night |
| 17:20:05 | blufrog | cant wait to load up rockbox on it |
| 17:20:20 | blufrog | then all my friends will want to be like me |
| 17:21:36 | blufrog | then they will envy me and hate me, and leave me alone |
| 17:26:59 | webmind | lol |
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| 20:29:14 | midk | brb reboot |
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| 21:46:46 | zeekoe | hi! |
| 21:46:51 | zeekoe | anyone here? |
| 21:47:52 | corbell | yes. |
| 21:47:55 | corbell | but going soon |
| 21:48:51 | zeekoe | okay |
| 21:48:55 | zeekoe | just a question |
| 21:49:15 | zeekoe | does rockbox already have S.M.A.R.T. temperature reading support? |
| 21:49:48 | zeekoe | i noticed some hard drive features could be displayed |
| 21:49:53 | zeekoe | but didnt see the temp |
| 21:49:59 | zeekoe | cant be that hard |
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| 21:56:43 | m0ngOoS3 | hello all |
| 21:56:58 | m0ngOoS3 | could somebody give me a hand? |
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| 21:59:33 | zeekoe | *throws hand |
| 21:59:59 | zeekoe | catch! |
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| 22:00:57 | m0ngOoS3 | haha |
| 22:00:59 | m0ngOoS3 | thanks |
| 22:01:36 | zeekoe | is that enough? |
| 22:01:42 | zeekoe | or do you need something else :P |
| 22:03:57 | m0ngOoS3 | i needed something else unfortunately |
| 22:04:01 | m0ngOoS3 | though the hand helped : |
| 22:04:02 | m0ngOoS3 | P |
| 22:04:05 | m0ngOoS3 | err :P |
| 22:04:30 | m0ngOoS3 | my recorder 20 v2 was plugged into my comp through usb and it suddenly died |
| 22:04:50 | zeekoe | oh bad |
| 22:05:13 | zeekoe | the batteries were full? |
| 22:05:59 | zeekoe | and you cant get it on again? |
| 22:06:01 | m0ngOoS3 | i believe so |
| 22:06:17 | m0ngOoS3 | nope, when i hit the on button the green light flashes and the screen stays blank |
| 22:06:34 | zeekoe | hmm... the recorder v2 is the one with the nonremovable batteries, isnt it? |
| 22:06:47 | m0ngOoS3 | the batteries were around 70-80 something full |
| 22:06:49 | m0ngOoS3 | yep i think so |
| 22:06:58 | zeekoe | i guess you already tried it connected to the power adapter? |
| 22:07:30 | m0ngOoS3 | i did, yes |
| 22:07:46 | m0ngOoS3 | christ i dont get the green flash anymore either, bad, very bad |
| 22:07:54 | m0ngOoS3 | now its just dead, dead as a doornail |
| 22:08:07 | zeekoe | just like marley... |
| 22:08:12 | m0ngOoS3 | indeed |
| 22:08:22 | m0ngOoS3 | marley came back, maybe it will too :) |
| 22:08:27 | zeekoe | hehe |
| 22:08:30 | zeekoe | i think so |
| 22:09:15 | zeekoe | well... i just got my recorder 20 v1 today, i'm afraid i cant be of much help |
| 22:09:28 | m0ngOoS3 | thanks for trying |
| 22:09:44 | m0ngOoS3 | gawd i really wish i had chipped in more for an ipod |
| 22:10:01 | m0ngOoS3 | this thing makes strange noises and stuff even when it was working |
| 22:11:25 | m0ngOoS3 | i dont mean to ruin your hopes, hope you have better luck with yours |
| 22:11:29 | m0ngOoS3 | tnx again |
| 22:11:32 | zeekoe | okay |
| 22:11:34 | zeekoe | np |
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| 22:14:49 | midk | yo dids |
| 22:14:54 | midk | back in about 20-30. |
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| 22:33:06 | diddystar5 | anyone want to play trivia? |
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| 22:34:28 | amiconn | 5ratsyddid? ;) |
| 22:35:05 | diddystar5 | heh |
| 22:35:15 | diddystar5 | trivia in #!nix :) |
| 22:36:09 | webmind | rockbox trivia? |
| 22:36:18 | diddystar5 | no |
| 22:36:21 | diddystar5 | general trivia |
| 22:36:40 | webmind | no thnx |
| 22:36:51 | diddystar5 | although that could be a good idea |
| 22:37:03 | * | diddystar5 goes to make a rockbox trivia bot |
| 22:39:09 | webmind | ok |
| 22:41:38 | diddystar5 | anyone want to wotrk on questions? |
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| 22:44:34 | Guest | Hello? |
| 22:44:41 | webmind | hi |
| 22:44:42 | Guest | Is anyone here? |
| 22:44:44 | webmind | no |
| 22:44:44 | Guest | Heya |
| 22:46:26 | diddystar5 | heh |
| 22:49:42 | Guest | Is anyone knowledgeable in Jukebox problems |
| 22:50:01 | Guest | I have this Panic Ata: -# problem |
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| 22:52:35 | Kinlong | Hello |
| 22:52:39 | Kinlong | Anyone here |
| 22:53:39 | Kinlong | Anybody here ? |
| 22:54:26 | diddystar5 | yes |
| 22:54:42 | Kinlong | Are you knowledgeable in Rockbox/Jukebox problems? |
| 22:54:57 | Kinlong | basically is anyone here for Rockbox/Jukebox support? |
| 22:55:29 | diddystar5 | yes |
| 22:55:40 | Kinlong | great! |
| 22:55:52 | diddystar5 | we all help people if they so |
| 22:56:00 | Kinlong | Well, I have this problem with my jukebox. I get this ATA Error -1 when i turn it on |
| 22:56:09 | Kinlong | I have the Rockbox 2.2 software, i believe |
| 22:56:25 | Kinlong | and I've also added the Flash plugin that speeds up the upload |
| 22:56:43 | Kinlong | Its been 3 weeks since i did that |
| 22:56:58 | diddystar5 | humm -1 |
| 22:57:00 | Kinlong | but now, when i turn it on, it tells me ATA Error: -1, Press ON to Debug |
| 22:57:19 | Kinlong | I've tried the F1 + On function |
| 22:57:23 | diddystar5 | can you boot if you hold F! then press on? |
| 22:57:31 | Kinlong | But it freezes as it loads the original Jukebox software |
| 22:57:42 | Kinlong | As we speak now, its the jukebox is getting hotter and hotter |
| 22:58:13 | diddystar5 | wow |
| 22:58:18 | diddystar5 | can you plug in usb? |
| 22:58:40 | Kinlong | If i plug it in... |
| 22:58:53 | Kinlong | It gives me the ATA errror: -1 with the option to Debug |
| 22:59:11 | Kinlong | I've also tried the F1, and the bootup still freezes |
| 22:59:58 | diddystar5 | wow |
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| 23:00:05 | Kinlong | Yep, =/ |
| 23:00:16 | Kinlong | It's been stressing me out lately, i haven't figured out how to fix it yet |
| 23:00:17 | diddystar5 | amiconn, ! |
| 23:00:36 | Kinlong | My brother has an older version of the rockbox i have |
| 23:00:53 | Kinlong | and he's had the same problem, but he'd always be able to reboot to the original software and do disk checks on it |
| 23:01:02 | Kinlong | Mine is the FM/Recorder version of Jukebox |
| 23:01:11 | Kinlong | and so far, I haven't been able to do anything with it |
| 23:02:18 | Kinlong | I just wanted to know if this is a lost cause, and that i should just send it in |
| 23:03:24 | Kinlong | I'll be here |
| 23:03:31 | Kinlong | If there's anyone that can help me, plz let me konw |
| 23:03:36 | amiconn | Kinlong: I don't know much about the fm internals, since I don't own one, but most often ata errors are related to battery problems |
| 23:03:45 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 23:03:45 | Kinlong | Yeah |
| 23:03:54 | Kinlong | Also, I've tried taking out the battery |
| 23:04:00 | Kinlong | and re-inserting it |
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| 23:04:20 | Kinlong | apparently its supposed to reset something, but it stilld oesn't change anything |
| 23:06:06 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 23:06:06 | Kinlong | my main concern is why the F1 + On bootup freezes |
| 23:06:30 | amiconn | Some fm users talked about "re-seating the battery" on the mailing list some time ago. |
| 23:07:17 | amiconn | Kinlong: The Archos is mainly powered from the batteries, even if the charger (or usb for the v2/fm) is connected, so it doesn't run without. |
| 23:07:40 | Kinlong | Yea |
| 23:07:52 | amiconn | So if the battery contacts don't make proper contact, all sorts of problems may arise. |
| 23:08:35 | Kinlong | I'd like to open my jukebox, but it's the FM/Recorder, and opening it is very inconvienient |
| 23:08:38 | amiconn | The other possibility would be that the hd has gone bad, but this isn't likely unless you would have dropped the unit recently |
| 23:08:49 | Kinlong | Yes, i dropped it |
| 23:09:03 | Kinlong | I read that it might have been battery connectors |
| 23:09:11 | Kinlong | that may have dislodged, and therefore i would have to resodder the unit |
| 23:09:36 | Kinlong | but the jukebox is very user un-friendly in terms of opening it up |
| 23:10:38 | amiconn | The "dislodged battery connectors" problem is only related to Player/Studio/Recorder v1 iirc |
| 23:10:51 | Kinlong | Hmm, okay |
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| 23:11:06 | Kinlong | Then i'm completely in the dark |
| 23:11:25 | Kinlong | for your own information, my jukebox quickly heats up when i turn it on |
| 23:12:10 | amiconn | In your case I would try to get hold of a 2,5"->3,5" hd adapter, open the Jukebox, connect the hd to a pc and check it with the tool from the manufacturer |
| 23:12:56 | Kinlong | What is this hd adapter? |
| 23:13:39 | amiconn | It is an adapter to connect 2,5" notebook hds to an ordinary 3,5" desktop hd connector |
| 23:14:00 | Kinlong | This notebook HD is in my jukebox right? |
| 23:14:05 | amiconn | yup |
| 23:14:17 | Kinlong | which connects it to my computer? |
| 23:15:13 | Kinlong | What's this tool that you're talking about, from the Manufacturer |
| 23:15:53 | amiconn | All major harddisk manufacturer have check tools specific to their products |
| 23:15:59 | amiconn | *manufacturers |
| 23:16:07 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 23:16:21 | amiconn | They are usually freely available for download |
| 23:16:33 | Kinlong | oh okay |
| 23:16:40 | Kinlong | Is there a specific name for this tool? |
| 23:16:49 | Kinlong | so i can search it |
| 23:17:29 | amiconn | For IBM (now Hitachi Global Storage) it is called "Drive Fitness Test". Don't know about other manufacturers atm |
| 23:18:12 | Kinlong | When u say manufacturer, are you speaking of the mp3 player manufacturer? |
| 23:18:16 | Kinlong | in this case it's Archos |
| 23:18:32 | Kinlong | Or, the computer manufacturer? |
| 23:19:10 | amiconn | No, I'm talking about the hd's manufacturer |
| 23:20:11 | Kinlong | There are two hard drives, the computer, and the mp3 player, i'm just confused which one |
| 23:20:17 | Kinlong | i apologize |
| 23:20:52 | amiconn | Of course the one from the mp3 player, since that's the one that you will want to check |
| 23:21:12 | Kinlong | ok, i see |
| 23:21:42 | Kinlong | oh, btw |
| 23:21:46 | Kinlong | this reminds me |
| 23:22:17 | Kinlong | My brother did something similar. He was able to boot his archos program, and through the USB, he was able to perform a disk check from the computer onto the harddrive |
| 23:22:43 | Kinlong | That's essentially what I'm doing, except since my software isn't booting, I need to access the hard drive directly? |
| 23:24:27 | amiconn | Yes, maybe this is necessary, because if it isn't booting usb access is not possible |
| 23:25:12 | Kinlong | Is there a convienient way to open my FM/Recorder, because with my old one, it was virutually impossible to open it without destroying it somewhat |
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| 23:26:47 | Kinlong | The vinyl is essentially superglued to the shell |
| 23:26:58 | Kinlong | rubber corners, actually |
| 23:27:54 | Kinlong | oh never mind |
| 23:28:00 | Kinlong | the bottom parts aren't glued |
| 23:28:21 | amiconn | Kinlong: As I don't own an FM/V2, I can't help much with this. Unfortunately on the Rockbox there are descriptions site for Player and v1 Recorder only |
| 23:29:19 | Kinlong | yea =/ alright, thanks for your help |
| 23:29:22 | Kinlong | much appreciated |
| 23:29:23 | amiconn | I suggest you ask someone on the channel who owns a v2/fm and already opened it for help |
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| 23:50:22 | Kinlong | alright thank you |
| 23:50:41 | Kinlong | Does anyone here own a v2/FM Archos Jukebox? |
| 23:53:39 | dstar5 | midk does |
| 23:54:16 | midk | nope |
| 23:54:24 | midk | but i can try my best |
| 23:55:25 | Kinlong | awesome |
| 23:55:31 | Kinlong | Well first of all |
| 23:55:52 | Kinlong | the amiconn guy, suggested i do sort of a disk check |
| 23:56:06 | Kinlong | using an adapter between my comp's harddrive and my mp3 player's harddrive |
| 23:56:25 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 23:56:25 | * | scott666 has an fmr |
| 23:56:48 | Kinlong | i opened up my old v2/FM jukebox and removed the top shell |
| 23:56:52 | Kinlong | where the monitor is located |
| 23:57:07 | scott666 | top 'shell'? |
| 23:57:10 | Kinlong | Yeah |
| 23:57:20 | Kinlong | there are two parts to the shell |
| 23:57:21 | scott666 | the front case or the PCB? |
| 23:57:30 | Kinlong | front case, i believe |
| 23:57:31 | Kinlong | what's PCB? |
| 23:57:37 | scott666 | printed circuit board |
| 23:57:44 | Kinlong | yeah, the front case |
| 23:57:54 | Kinlong | i can't remove the bottom part of the shell |
| 23:57:58 | scott666 | youll need a soldering iron |
| 23:58:02 | Kinlong | because its soddered to the circuit board |
| 23:58:05 | scott666 | yes |
| 23:58:07 | Kinlong | oh i see |
| 23:58:18 | scott666 | theres seven points around the board |
| 23:58:23 | Kinlong | yeah |
| 23:58:31 | scott666 | you just have to heat them up and pry the case away with a screwdriver |
| 23:58:38 | scott666 | (thats what i did anyway) |
| 23:58:47 | Kinlong | oh okay, that makes sense |
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