| 00:00:02 | Kinlong | but amiconn told me about i |
| 00:00:04 | Kinlong | it* |
| 00:00:13 | Kinlong | Can i get th at at Radio Shack or something? |
| 00:01:27 | scott666 | not sure |
| 00:01:55 | Kinlong | Well anyway, let's say i did get it |
| 00:03:23 | Kinlong | Where can i connect the adapter to the mp3 harddrive? |
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| 00:03:26 | hermes | xell |
| 00:03:31 | hermes | wait here |
| 00:05:00 | Kinlong | Does anyone know how I can link my harddrive to the mp3 harddrive with the adapter? |
| 00:06:03 | scott666 | what? |
| 00:06:20 | scott666 | you need to buy an IDE adapter and plug it into your computer |
| 00:06:24 | Kinlong | Yeah |
| 00:06:26 | Kinlong | Once that's done |
| 00:06:34 | Kinlong | How do i connect it to the mp3 player's harddrive |
| 00:06:46 | scott666 | you just plug it in...? |
| 00:08:40 | hermes | tell me |
| 00:08:45 | hermes | ip and port |
| 00:08:49 | hermes | mdp |
| 00:11:52 | hermes | please |
| 00:12:19 | scott666 | hermes: what? |
| 00:13:00 | Kinlong | Hmm, i'm not familiar with the mp3 player's hard drive |
| 00:13:05 | Kinlong | is there a slot for me to plug it in? |
| 00:13:09 | Kinlong | and where is it located? |
| 00:13:15 | scott666 | its under the PCB |
| 00:13:26 | scott666 | you cant miss it |
| 00:13:31 | scott666 | its the biggest thing in the case |
| 00:13:54 | Kinlong | alright |
| 00:13:59 | Kinlong | so i'd have to sodder it apart first |
| 00:14:04 | scott666 | yeah |
| 00:14:13 | Kinlong | also, once i connect my computer to my mp3 hard drive |
| 00:14:16 | Kinlong | what do i do after wards? |
| 00:14:24 | Kinlong | should i run the disk check from the computer? |
| 00:14:33 | scott666 | yeah |
| 00:14:36 | scott666 | scandisk |
| 00:14:42 | midk | byea scott. |
| 00:14:43 | Kinlong | alright, thanks a lot dude |
| 00:14:51 | Kinlong | really appreciate it |
| 00:14:58 | Kinlong | what should the scan disk tell me if there are problems? |
| 00:15:14 | Kinlong | does it actually fix the problem, cuz i've never used it before |
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| 00:23:54 | dstar5 | bye everyone |
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| 00:24:11 | midk | bye didstar |
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| 00:24:14 | midk | awa |
| 00:25:18 | pfavr | hi |
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| 00:30:26 | pfavr | MDB settings (on the wiki): cool! |
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| 00:35:25 | Kinlong | HELLO |
| 00:35:35 | Kinlong | I just opened up my jukebox |
| 00:35:36 | pfavr | hi |
| 00:35:43 | Kinlong | Does anyone have a v2/FM jukebox? |
| 00:35:47 | midk | HI |
| 00:35:51 | Kinlong | Or is familiar with th einterior design? |
| 00:35:51 | pfavr | not me |
| 00:35:53 | midk | didn't you just get help? |
| 00:35:54 | Kinlong | interior* |
| 00:35:57 | Kinlong | yeah |
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| 00:36:05 | Kinlong | but i just opened it now =P |
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| 00:36:13 | Kinlong | so there's two parts, the circuit board |
| 00:36:16 | Kinlong | and the harddrive |
| 00:36:30 | Kinlong | the detachable part is the hard drive |
| 00:36:35 | | Nick midknight2k3 is now known as midk (~Zakk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) |
| 00:36:37 | midk | right. |
| 00:36:56 | Kinlong | now, does anyone know where ic an get this 2.5" to 3.5" adapter? |
| 00:37:15 | pfavr | I have one in my drawer (at home) |
| 00:37:18 | pfavr | ;-) |
| 00:37:19 | Kinlong | doh |
| 00:37:24 | Kinlong | can u mail it over =D |
| 00:37:27 | Kinlong | I'll return it =D |
| 00:37:30 | Kinlong | jk jk |
| 00:37:32 | Kinlong | how did u get yours? |
| 00:37:38 | midk | got a Fry's around? |
| 00:37:40 | midk | they sell them there.. |
| 00:37:53 | pfavr | then I need to go get it first - it's 680 km from here ;-) |
| 00:38:17 | Kinlong | hmmm |
| 00:38:21 | Kinlong | I just have a radio shack |
| 00:38:26 | Kinlong | a wal and K mart |
| 00:39:12 | Kinlong | Blast, i've never heard of this Fry before |
| 00:39:29 | midk | fry's electronics |
| 00:39:40 | midk | hmm |
| 00:39:48 | pfavr | I missed the first part - why do you need to connect it using a 2.5" -> 3.5" adapter? |
| 00:40:20 | Kinlong | I'm going to access my mp3 player's hard drive |
| 00:40:22 | Kinlong | with my computer |
| 00:40:27 | Kinlong | directly |
| 00:40:34 | Kinlong | my software won't allow me to boot up |
| 00:40:45 | pfavr | ok |
| 00:40:46 | Kinlong | so amiconn told me to access it directly |
| 00:40:51 | Kinlong | question |
| 00:40:57 | Kinlong | I took out the hard drive |
| 00:41:03 | Kinlong | the harddrive has a lot of "needles" |
| 00:41:08 | pfavr | yes |
| 00:41:23 | Kinlong | I looked at this 2.5" - 3.5" adapter |
| 00:41:34 | Kinlong | online |
| 00:41:43 | Kinlong | The white part, where do i connec that? |
| 00:42:00 | Kinlong | it seems very small and is half the width of my mp3 hard drive |
| 00:42:00 | pfavr | uhm, do you have a link? |
| 00:42:17 | hermes | does jukebox charge with usb? |
| 00:42:21 | Kinlong | isn't the laptop hard drive to desktop adapter the like? |
| 00:42:22 | Kinlong | Yeah |
| 00:42:31 | Kinlong | the link* |
| 00:42:38 | Kinlong | The USB does charge my jukebox |
| 00:42:56 | Kinlong | i've taken out the hard drive |
| 00:43:01 | Kinlong | just now |
| 00:43:11 | hermes | when dd does not turn |
| 00:43:16 | hermes | juke charge? |
| 00:43:49 | Kinlong | wait, repeat that again? |
| 00:43:53 | Kinlong | I'm confused, sorry |
| 00:44:14 | | Part amiconn |
| 00:44:43 | hermes | does juke charge with usb pluged? |
| 00:45:04 | pfavr | I think not |
| 00:45:09 | pfavr | (but not sre) |
| 00:45:14 | pfavr | sure |
| 00:45:29 | pfavr | Kinlong, is this the one http://www.bixnet.com/adfor25to35h.html |
| 00:45:48 | Kinlong | yes, i'm looking at that one |
| 00:45:54 | Kinlong | i don't have it yet, but i plan on getting it somehow |
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| 00:46:15 | Kinlong | all i know is that my jukebox v2/FM turns on by itself when i plug in the USB |
| 00:46:22 | pfavr | ok, the white thingy at the end of the cable is the power connector - so you just connect it like a normal 3.5" harddrive |
| 00:46:23 | Kinlong | so i figure it's charging it |
| 00:46:32 | Kinlong | which is the computer's |
| 00:47:31 | pfavr | I have the JBR20 (old model) and it is not charged when connected to USB - in fact it drains more power than the power adapter can deliver so it runs out of power after some hours if I leave it connected |
| 00:47:44 | Kinlong | yeah |
| 00:47:48 | Kinlong | my brother has that |
| 00:47:53 | Kinlong | it does that for him too |
| 00:47:55 | Kinlong | I have the newer model |
| 00:48:00 | pfavr | ok |
| 00:48:12 | Kinlong | I'm looking at the adapter |
| 00:48:15 | Kinlong | online |
| 00:48:17 | scott666 | pfavr: the v1 recorders cant charge from usb |
| 00:48:29 | scott666 | only the v2/fmrs |
| 00:48:35 | pfavr | ok |
| 00:48:41 | pfavr | (thanks for educating me) |
| 00:48:47 | scott666 | cause of the LiIon batteries |
| 00:49:01 | Kinlong | The adapter, the white end, the 3.5" part, connects to the back of the computer tower? |
| 00:49:08 | Kinlong | which accesses the HD |
| 00:49:14 | Kinlong | or do i have to crack open my computer tower to access it |
| 00:49:23 | pfavr | Kinlong, when you connect the adapter, if there is a LED in the package just leave it unconnected - I had a problem with that once. It is only for looking cool so leave it out |
| 00:49:48 | Kinlong | i'm not sure, because i don't have it, yet |
| 00:50:00 | Kinlong | if there is an LED, i'll leave it be =) |
| 00:50:30 | Kinlong | i've never connected the adapter to my computer before, so i'm unsure of what to do |
| 00:50:46 | pfavr | connecting the adapter is done like this: connect it to you harddrive - connect the pins end to the harddrive cable of your PC (yes you need to open the case for that), connect the white thingy to the power of the large PC |
| 00:51:06 | Kinlong | ok |
| 00:51:25 | Kinlong | would the PC's harddrive have someting connected to it already? |
| 00:51:26 | pfavr | it is just like connecting a normal 3.5 harddrive - it "transforms" your 2.5" hardrive into a 3.5" one |
| 00:51:46 | Kinlong | oh i see |
| 00:51:54 | pfavr | there would normally be a cable with two connectors - one is used by the current hardrive in your PC |
| 00:51:59 | Kinlong | So there will be a slot available |
| 00:52:01 | Kinlong | oh great |
| 00:52:14 | Kinlong | i figure it'd be pointless if there was only oneslot |
| 00:52:18 | pfavr | maybe the other is used for the CDROM, or there willl maybe be two cables (4 connectors in total) |
| 00:52:35 | pfavr | a normal PC has two IDE controllers |
| 00:52:46 | pfavr | each carry a cable with two connectors |
| 00:52:54 | Kinlong | oh i see |
| 00:52:59 | pfavr | but some PCs ship with only a single cable |
| 00:53:04 | pfavr | (to save money) |
| 00:53:43 | pfavr | if you only have a single cable you can do two things: buy another (not very expensive and they always come in handy) or disconnect your CDROM momentarily |
| 00:54:00 | pfavr | then there is this thing about master/slave |
| 00:54:25 | pfavr | there can only be one master on each cable |
| 00:54:44 | pfavr | this is selected using jumpers |
| 00:54:45 | Kinlong | master/slave? |
| 00:55:02 | Kinlong | one of the 3.5" on each cable? |
| 00:55:04 | pfavr | yes - one drive will be in charge for who can communicate |
| 00:55:04 | Kinlong | right? |
| 00:55:12 | Kinlong | I think i have multiple |
| 00:55:24 | Kinlong | because i have 2 cd-rom drives, a hard disk drive |
| 00:55:26 | pfavr | one cable - two harddrives - #1 master #2 slave |
| 00:55:29 | Kinlong | and one extra slot left in my tower |
| 00:55:42 | Kinlong | from what i can tell, by looking at the front |
| 00:55:42 | pfavr | the other cable just the same |
| 00:56:01 | pfavr | number of slots is irrelevant (unless you want to mount it there permanently) |
| 00:56:09 | Kinlong | oh ok |
| 00:56:26 | Kinlong | worse comes to worse |
| 00:56:34 | Kinlong | i'm pretty sur ei can disconnect my cd-rom momentarily |
| 00:56:42 | Kinlong | it won't mess up any software will it? |
| 00:56:44 | pfavr | just put it on the table next to the computer or on the top - but be careful to put something insulating in between the drive and the metal case - e.g. a newspaper |
| 00:56:57 | Kinlong | or any running computer functions |
| 00:57:02 | Kinlong | insulating? |
| 00:57:06 | Kinlong | does it get extremely hot? |
| 00:57:08 | pfavr | I can't guarantee that |
| 00:57:16 | pfavr | no - electricity |
| 00:57:16 | Kinlong | hmm ok |
| 00:57:18 | pfavr | not heat |
| 00:57:29 | Kinlong | oh i see |
| 00:57:46 | Kinlong | then i'd have to be really careful |
| 00:57:53 | pfavr | if you've never opened a computer case before it might be a little risky - don't you know someone that can help you out (and show you how to do it)? |
| 00:58:04 | Kinlong | yeah, i have people that can |
| 00:58:30 | pfavr | I wouldn't say that it is dangerous - just don't want to get you into trouble |
| 00:59:01 | Kinlong | lol, yea, most importantly that |
| 00:59:46 | Kinlong | These slots, they're IDE controllers? |
| 00:59:58 | Kinlong | thats their general name right? |
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| 01:00:15 | pfavr | two connectors at your mainboard - yes they're IDE controllers |
| 01:00:52 | Kinlong | grear |
| 01:00:53 | Kinlong | great* |
| 01:01:18 | Kinlong | btw, the scan disk function on my computer |
| 01:01:24 | Kinlong | is it supposed to "fix" the problem? |
| 01:01:26 | Kinlong | or detect problems? |
| 01:01:44 | pfavr | both |
| 01:01:47 | pfavr | (maybe) |
| 01:02:00 | pfavr | it depends on what problem you're having with your jukebox |
| 01:02:18 | Kinlong | I have XP, how do i access this scan disk function? |
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| 01:03:27 | pfavr | Kinlong, I can't help you there, I don't run win XP (only linux) |
| 01:03:58 | pfavr | but why did your rockbox stop working in the first place? |
| 01:06:33 | Kinlong | well.. |
| 01:06:44 | Kinlong | when i dropped it, i pplugged it into my HD |
| 01:06:49 | Kinlong | and everything seemed to work fine |
| 01:06:54 | Kinlong | plugged in via USB |
| 01:06:57 | scott666 | try programs>accessories>system utils |
| 01:07:03 | Kinlong | after a while, it stopped |
| 01:07:05 | Kinlong | thanks scott |
| 01:07:28 | Kinlong | disk cleanup right? |
| 01:07:37 | pfavr | Kinlong, are you sure it is charged fully? |
| 01:07:38 | scott666 | no |
| 01:07:49 | Kinlong | yeah, i'm sure it's been charged fully |
| 01:07:58 | scott666 | thats just a stupid wizard to help you delete files |
| 01:08:05 | Kinlong | yeah |
| 01:08:08 | Kinlong | lol |
| 01:08:11 | scott666 | you want scandisk |
| 01:08:24 | Kinlong | oh i see |
| 01:09:01 | Kinlong | i don't see this scan disk in my system tools |
| 01:09:22 | scott666 | hmmm |
| 01:09:46 | scott666 | ahh |
| 01:09:47 | scott666 | ok |
| 01:09:50 | scott666 | go to explorer |
| 01:10:03 | Kinlong | internet? |
| 01:11:39 | Kinlong | is it Error checking, btw? |
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| 01:15:00 | KinLong | Hello |
| 01:15:02 | KinLong | is ne1 here |
| 01:15:06 | pfavr | hi again |
| 01:15:18 | KinLong | where's that scott |
| 01:16:01 | KinLong | i must say, thank you for informing me about all the HD stuff, pfavr |
| 01:16:30 | pfavr | you're welcome - good luck |
| 01:16:57 | KinLong | oh, btw one last question |
| 01:17:10 | KinLong | that 2.5 - 3.5 adapter |
| 01:17:17 | KinLong | i'm looking at the picture |
| 01:17:37 | KinLong | where's the part that connects from the adapter to the needles of the mp3 HD |
| 01:18:05 | pfavr | it is a lblack connector that sits at the opposite end |
| 01:18:13 | KinLong | oooh i see |
| 01:18:15 | pfavr | at the picture it is mounted at the harddrive |
| 01:18:24 | KinLong | I can't see the black connectors |
| 01:18:30 | KinLong | on the opposite side are needles right? |
| 01:18:40 | pfavr | yes |
| 01:18:46 | KinLong | great, makes sense now! |
| 01:18:52 | pfavr | :-) |
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| 01:20:09 | KinLong | Stupid IE, it keeps opening a new window in my chat |
| 01:45:05 | scott666 | so use firefox |
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| 01:53:04 | Thomas1 | Hello together, just one question. I flashed my Recorder long time ago with v2.2 of the firmware. Now i want to update it, but can't found a firmware_rec.bin with a newer version than v2.2. Does anybody has an idea where to find a new bin file or do i have to create my own one? |
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| 01:55:23 | blufrog | hi |
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| 02:04:48 | blufrog | mmm bop |
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| 02:07:19 | blufrog | i have a question |
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| 02:11:43 | blufrog | does rockbox.haxx.se still have the page with hardware upgrades? |
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| 02:18:53 | pfavr | Thomas1, I believe the daily builds also have the .bin file |
| 02:19:40 | blufrog | hi |
| 02:20:17 | pfavr | hi |
| 02:20:34 | pfavr | re hardware upgrades - have you looked at the wiki? |
| 02:20:44 | blufrog | me? |
| 02:21:08 | blufrog | i dont understand what a wiki is |
| 02:21:17 | pfavr | http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki |
| 02:21:30 | pfavr | a wiki is just web pages that everybody can edit |
| 02:21:45 | pfavr | http://rockbox.haxx.se/mods/ |
| 02:21:57 | pfavr | the last link must be the one you're looking for? |
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| 02:37:42 | blufrog | thanks |
| 02:38:01 | blufrog | still a bit unclear to me though |
| 02:40:54 | pfavr | blufrog, what? |
| 02:42:59 | blufrog | well i have put a new HD in the recorder20 |
| 02:43:08 | blufrog | and then i started it up and it said i needed to make a partition |
| 02:43:21 | pfavr | ok |
| 02:43:30 | blufrog | ...i was told i could use the USB and partition it that way, without using an adaptor |
| 02:43:35 | pfavr | never tried it |
| 02:43:47 | pfavr | ah - I think you should be able to do that yes |
| 02:44:02 | pfavr | I'm sure I could do it that way using linux |
| 02:44:21 | pfavr | so it must be possible using windows as well :-) |
| 02:46:43 | pfavr | so - have you tried connecting it using USB? |
| 02:47:08 | blufrog | yeah i connected it using a usb, and the windows2000 said it was looking for a device driver |
| 02:47:17 | blufrog | i think if it finds it, it can format my drive right? |
| 02:47:21 | pfavr | did it find one? |
| 02:47:37 | pfavr | format: yes I think so |
| 02:47:49 | blufrog | i havent tried it again, i have to use the computer at th office |
| 02:47:58 | blufrog | caiuse im running windows98 at home |
| 02:49:33 | pfavr | you can use windows 98 also I think - maybe you need the right driver for it - but I think that is included in win98SE? |
| 02:49:56 | blufrog | not that i know of |
| 02:49:57 | pfavr | (at least I've tried it using my win98 laptop) |
| 02:50:17 | pfavr | (running scandisk on JBR20 that is) |
| 02:50:46 | blufrog | but it has to find the USB removable storage device driver |
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| 02:51:23 | pfavr | yes - I really can't remember how I did it - I think I just plugged it in |
| 02:51:34 | blufrog | yo have upgraded the HD too? |
| 02:51:56 | pfavr | no - I mean to run scandisk on win98 laptop I just connected the JBR20 |
| 02:52:07 | pfavr | I think it had the driver already |
| 02:52:35 | pfavr | but maybe it is not standard on win98 - think I might have installed some usb stuff sometime |
| 02:54:53 | blufrog | i have an adaptor |
| 02:55:05 | blufrog | i think though, i hooked it up wrong once and destroyed a HD |
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| 02:58:23 | aagha | Hi. Newbie to RockBox. Works great, but I have a prob I need a bit of help with. |
| 02:58:30 | blufrog | hi |
| 02:58:36 | pfavr | blufrog, good luck - I'm of to bed |
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| 02:58:51 | blufrog | bye p |
| 02:59:36 | aagha | My problem is that in the demos section (I think) I selected a viewer, and now all I have on the screen is four dots arranged like a diamond; I can't seem to break out of this and get back to the menu. |
| 02:59:49 | aagha | The FAQ didn't help. |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:17 | midk | um |
| 03:00:17 | midk | turn off |
| 03:00:17 | midk | and back on. |
| 03:01:24 | aagha | Tried that. I have a Studio 20. Holding down the stop doesn't make a diff. |
| 03:01:44 | midk | hold it longer |
| 03:01:52 | aagha | I tried 20 seconds. |
| 03:01:56 | aagha | Longer than that? |
| 03:02:00 | midk | hmm. no. |
| 03:02:09 | midk | try removing batts and putting back in |
| 03:02:09 | midk | ? |
| 03:02:19 | midk | holding stop should shut it off no matter what.. |
| 03:02:26 | aagha | Holding it down makes the diamond blink. |
| 03:02:44 | midk | oh, is it plugged in? |
| 03:03:02 | aagha | yes |
| 03:03:08 | midk | unplug it, then hold OFF |
| 03:03:13 | midk | then you can plug it back in again |
| 03:03:15 | aagha | got it! |
| 03:03:21 | aagha | that worked |
| 03:03:21 | midk | you can |
| 03:03:28 | midk | can't shut it off with the charger plugged in |
| 03:03:34 | midk | have to take it out to reboot it. |
| 03:03:38 | aagha | ah... learn something new every day |
| 03:03:41 | midk | :) |
| 03:03:43 | midk | hardware issue. |
| 03:03:54 | aagha | :-) |
| 03:03:56 | aagha | Thx! |
| 03:04:13 | midk | np |
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| 03:56:56 | dstar5 | hey midknight2k3 |
| 03:57:31 | midknight2k3 | ho dids |
| 03:57:33 | midknight2k3 | yo* |
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| 03:57:47 | dstar5 | got some q's done? |
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| 05:04:57 | midk | YO DIDS |
| 05:04:59 | midk | wtf is u. |
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| 05:09:45 | dstar5 | who says me hate you> |
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| 05:12:54 | dstar5 | brb |
| 05:13:03 | dstar5 | me go to setup rockbox trivia |
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| 06:22:23 | gromit`` | gnite ! |
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| 07:01:15 | dstar5 | hey LinusN |
| 07:01:21 | dstar5 | gyess what |
| 07:01:34 | midk | lol |
| 07:02:09 | dstar5 | LinusN, join #rockbox-trivia |
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| 07:08:11 | dstar5 | hey BlueChip |
| 07:08:16 | midk | yo bcf. |
| 07:08:20 | midk | bc* |
| 07:08:43 | BlueChip | yoo |
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| 07:28:21 | dstar5 | yo nib |
| 07:33:12 | BlueChip | what colours were finally decided for the prt-scr? |
| 07:33:52 | LinusN | 90ee90 |
| 07:34:28 | BlueChip | cheers |
| 07:34:36 | BlueChip | is that backlight on or off? |
| 07:35:14 | LinusN | eh, on i guess, do we simulate backlight? |
| 07:35:31 | LinusN | the screendump function doesn't care about the backlight |
| 07:35:44 | BlueChip | it does here :) |
| 07:36:02 | LinusN | i thought that would be annoying |
| 07:36:07 | BlueChip | also supports invert, contrast, and if when I find the buffer grey-scale too |
| 07:36:29 | BlueChip | I've got a bit carried away with this sim thing |
| 07:36:37 | LinusN | :-) |
| 07:37:02 | midk | wow |
| 07:37:07 | midk | but it won't be merged will it. |
| 07:37:08 | midk | booo |
| 07:37:29 | BlueChip | I'm sure the ideas can be ported by those who might enjoy the new look |
| 07:37:47 | BlueChip | nothing proprietary in it |
| 07:38:20 | BlueChip | i worked it out ...if my code is GPL by proxy, then it is free to be nicked and placed in Rockbox ...I can't stop it :-) |
| 07:39:14 | dstar5 | i think the rockbox configure script should be updated a bit |
| 07:39:32 | dstar5 | like ask if you want sim or a target first |
| 07:39:45 | BlueChip | I made it all pretty for new users a while back, but lost it :( |
| 07:41:09 | LinusN | dstar5: why? |
| 07:41:26 | LinusN | BlueChip: do you still get read-only files with the sim? |
| 07:41:56 | dstar5 | LinusN, well there are targets that are useless for sim, like 8 mb build, and the fm/v2 would be the same thing on sim |
| 07:42:08 | LinusN | dstar5: ah |
| 07:42:12 | dstar5 | so if you organize it differnt, you remove useless options |
| 07:42:34 | LinusN | actually, all recorders are the same in the sim |
| 07:42:41 | BlueChip | LinusN: I've not tried since before I found that email ...the example it solved was in uisw32.c |
| 07:43:25 | LinusN | uisw32.c doesn't open any files |
| 07:44:33 | BlueChip | ahh, no, it does now, (I've got an ovekill prt-screen) ...I think I nicked the file open line from misc.c |
| 07:46:43 | LinusN | it is correct in misc.c |
| 07:47:09 | LinusN | the rockbox creat() function uses the *nix flags |
| 07:47:31 | BlueChip | hmmm, I didn't update for a couple of weeks, maybe things changed then? |
| 07:47:39 | LinusN | however, the win32 simulator code changes the flags |
| 07:48:14 | LinusN | the creat() bug should have been fixed on jun 10 when i reworked the file sandbox |
| 07:48:36 | LinusN | haven't updated for weeks? i though you used cvs? |
| 07:48:59 | BlueChip | endless collisions all the time, put me off |
| 07:49:09 | LinusN | :-) |
| 07:49:19 | BlueChip | quicker to keep careful tabs on my work and port it over |
| 07:50:01 | LinusN | anyway, your post to the list made me look over the code, so i found another bug, introduced by hardeep and daniel |
| 07:50:24 | BlueChip | sorry if it was misleading - glad it paid off though :) |
| 07:56:18 | LinusN | we have a major sim issue with the recorder |
| 07:56:32 | BlueChip | oh yes? |
| 07:56:35 | LinusN | it uses the Player settings |
| 07:57:05 | BlueChip | ouch! ...that's gonna be buried in the core somewhere :( |
| 07:57:12 | LinusN | nah |
| 07:57:32 | LinusN | well, the mas stuff is poorly simulated |
| 07:57:45 | LinusN | so we fake it on a hugh level |
| 07:57:49 | LinusN | high |
| 07:57:52 | BlueChip | LOL |
| 07:57:58 | BlueChip | Did you see what I did? |
| 07:58:11 | LinusN | the simulated mas_() functions? |
| 07:58:24 | BlueChip | and just pointed it at a big array |
| 07:58:35 | LinusN | yeah, i had the same idea |
| 07:58:37 | dstar5 | does that simulat the presence of a mas? |
| 07:58:44 | LinusN | dstar5: yes |
| 07:58:45 | BlueChip | it works perfectly for sim purposes |
| 07:58:57 | LinusN | we should do that |
| 07:59:24 | BlueChip | and of course, memory is of no concern at sim time - so just blat a giant array :) |
| 07:59:47 | LinusN | sloppy pc programmers! :-) |
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| 08:00:18 | BlueChip | I concur :) |
| 08:01:02 | BlueChip | ...this is not what I did in audio-3587, but it would be future-proof as a generic MAS emulation thing for the code as a whole |
| 08:02:31 | LinusN | just like i did for the fm radio simulator |
| 08:02:41 | BlueChip | LOL :-) |
| 08:03:08 | LinusN | a full emulation :-) |
| 08:03:09 | * | dstar5 tunes to 99.4 on rockbox simualor |
| 08:03:50 | LinusN | dstar5: yeah, the reception is bad in the fm simulation, only 99.4 works :-) |
| 08:05:05 | dstar5 | can wifi cards pick up fm radio frequency ranges? |
| 08:05:26 | LinusN | i seriously doubt it |
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| 09:05:56 | dstar5 | hi Zagor |
| 09:06:20 | dstar5 | Zagor, i have made a little rockbox trivia in #rockbox-trivia |
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| 10:07:23 | dstar5 | me going to bed good nite |
| 10:07:31 | BlueChip | nite dude |
| 10:07:52 | midk | nite.. |
| 10:07:58 | midk | .12!! |
| 10:08:00 | midk | :D |
| 10:08:04 | BlueChip | lol |
| 10:08:12 | midk | bc doesn't get it |
| 10:08:16 | midk | AH AH AHAHAH HAH HA HA HA HA |
| 10:08:22 | midk | inside joke |
| 10:08:23 | midk | HA HA HAHAHA |
| 10:08:26 | midk | or maybe he does get it... |
| 10:08:26 | dstar5 | lol |
| 10:08:28 | midk | *runs away |
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| 10:08:48 | BlueChip | i was there, remember? |
| 10:09:07 | midk | oh.. riight |
| 10:09:09 | midk | yeah... |
| 10:09:49 | BlueChip | your clock was damn handy for debugging the timer in the sim :) |
| 10:09:56 | midk | thank you bc |
| 10:09:59 | midk | did you fix it? |
| 10:10:10 | BlueChip | of course i did! |
| 10:10:21 | midk | wow... i SERIOUSLY bow down! |
| 10:10:32 | midk | well |
| 10:10:35 | midk | i would |
| 10:10:38 | midk | if i had the energy |
| 10:10:50 | BlueChip | the cpu counts all the clock edges since it was powered, did it that way |
| 10:10:58 | midk | i seriously acknowledge you in my brain |
| 10:11:14 | BlueChip | what a mind fk |
| 10:11:32 | midk | i'm so dirty. |
| 10:12:33 | midk | bc you should write a simple trivia engine... |
| 10:12:44 | midk | displays Q on maybe 3 lines, and then 4 options below |
| 10:12:57 | midk | then you could write a trivia plugin |
| 10:13:01 | BlueChip | did you not play it? |
| 10:13:09 | midk | play what... |
| 10:13:15 | BlueChip | namethattune |
| 10:13:24 | midk | for rockbox? |
| 10:13:32 | BlueChip | uh huh |
| 10:13:34 | midk | WHERE |
| 10:13:49 | BlueChip | dunno someone spammed it to me - sure it was in the audio-3587 pack |
| 10:14:29 | LinusN | "name that tune" is a cool thing |
| 10:15:08 | BlueChip | I was amazed at how poorly I knew my own music collection |
| 10:15:26 | BlueChip | did jorg ever put the plugin interface back again |
| 10:15:46 | BlueChip | he "broke" it, but did not bump the version |
| 10:16:02 | BlueChip | replaced the function that namethattune used |
| 10:16:40 | LinusN | how did that plugin select the candidates? |
| 10:17:07 | BlueChip | active playlist iirc, it was just a proof of concept, crappy interface, but it worked! |
| 10:17:19 | BlueChip | crappy -> basic |
| 10:20:15 | LinusN | i mean, it would be best if it selected the 3 candidates from the same genre |
| 10:20:16 | BlueChip | I reckon I can get grey scale going in the uisim fairly easily, left lots of doors open for it :) |
| 10:20:45 | BlueChip | Oh yes, there was tonnes of room for improvement ...but isn't there always? LOL |
| 10:20:51 | LinusN | hehe |
| 10:21:25 | LinusN | was it the track change function that was the problem? |
| 10:21:27 | BlueChip | I would certainly give greyscale stuff more consideration, if I didn't have to keep abusing my usb socket |
| 10:21:35 | BlueChip | yes |
| 10:21:47 | midk | just play 10s of the track |
| 10:21:50 | LinusN | BlueChip: for the screenshots? |
| 10:21:50 | midk | that's the point |
| 10:21:58 | midk | 10s of a random part of the track |
| 10:22:03 | BlueChip | jorg replaced it as no plugin used it ...literally hours after I got the first lugin that uses it |
| 10:24:23 | BlueChip | I see his point about the race condition, but it was not relevant with ths plugin |
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| 10:25:32 | LinusN | i don't remember the discussion |
| 10:26:03 | LinusN | mpeg_has_changed_track() is a one-shot function, toght? |
| 10:26:05 | LinusN | right? |
| 10:26:46 | LinusN | yes it is |
| 10:27:08 | BlueChip | yes, and the wps uses it too |
| 10:28:55 | LinusN | and it would be a problem if the plugin was a TSR |
| 10:29:40 | BlueChip | certainly true, but namethattune is neither |
| 10:30:07 | LinusN | i think it's time to reintroduce mpeg_has_changed_track() in the API |
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| 10:30:39 | midk | YAY |
| 10:30:51 | [IDC]Dragon | yay, blame me |
| 10:30:57 | BlueChip | lol |
| 10:31:04 | BlueChip | mornin' squire :) |
| 10:31:31 | [IDC]Dragon | we can put that function back, if it is needed. |
| 10:32:23 | LinusN | done |
| 10:33:30 | [IDC]Dragon | the TSR argument is not a good one. There are probably many functions a TSR should not mess with while the other things are running. |
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| 10:34:21 | LinusN | absolutely |
| 10:41:48 | BlueChip | LinusN, what should I be using to output text to the console window - printf complains of "no func prototype" |
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| 10:44:17 | LinusN | DEBUGF() |
| 10:44:23 | BlueChip | cheers :) |
| 10:46:03 | BlueChip | LOL ....and what do I have to include to get it defined :) |
| 10:47:09 | BlueChip | debug.h?? |
| 10:48:11 | BlueChip | yup - gotit :) |
| 10:58:14 | midk | haha - i was just changing the volume control and for some reason every time i changed it i heard a beep |
| 10:58:16 | midk | so i was like |
| 10:58:30 | midk | IRCMSG!! *JUMPS ON "X-Chat" button |
| 10:58:35 | midk | then nothing there... |
| 10:58:53 | midk | i only now realize after about 4 times of adjusting it that it plays a beep when you let off the mouse. |
| 10:59:07 | BlueChip | lol |
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| 11:08:44 | hermes | :) |
| 11:09:04 | midk | hey |
| 11:09:31 | amiconn | hi all |
| 11:09:41 | BlueChip | hey |
| 11:10:34 | [IDC]Dragon | hi |
| 11:11:12 | amiconn | LinusN: Is it possible to draw bitmaps directly in X? |
| 11:12:04 | amiconn | If yes, it would help adding grayscale to the sim if the X11 sim would use this instead of drawing single pixels |
| 11:12:25 | amiconn | (and possibly this approach is also faster...) |
| 11:12:54 | BlueChip | are you plannig to flash the pixels? |
| 11:13:07 | [IDC]Dragon | grayscale on the sim would require an API whicht the "real" Rockbox doesn't have... |
| 11:13:38 | [IDC]Dragon | or you flicker the pixels like in reality |
| 11:13:59 | BlueChip | the sim should look at the grey-map and sort it the same as mono |
| 11:14:19 | amiconn | BlueChip: No, I want to use a real grayscale bitmap. However, this is not possible with the current implementation of the X11 sim... |
| 11:14:43 | BlueChip | as speed is not relevant, just write your own loop? |
| 11:14:59 | amiconn | ...because it calculates the difference between the currently set pixels and the new pixelmap, and sets/resets individual pixels based on that |
| 11:15:24 | BlueChip | WOW! |
| 11:16:09 | amiconn | It would be relatively easy to implement for the Win32 sim, since this one uses a bitmap |
| 11:16:35 | BlueChip | i've left gaps for it in my new sim code :) |
| 11:17:13 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I think this api is indeed required, because flickering the pixels would have to be synchronized to the refresh rate of the monitor |
| 11:18:33 | amiconn | ...which may vary much, is not easily available in a system independent way, and sometimes even not at all (when remoting the gui via network) |
| 11:20:33 | amiconn | In addition it would require a high-precision timer (the simple WM_TIMER wouldn't do) |
| 11:21:04 | BlueChip | good luck |
| 11:21:14 | BlueChip | all i can find is docs on how impossible it is |
| 11:22:12 | amiconn | BlueChip: That's why I don't want to go this way, but use a real grayscale bitmap. Hence my question concerning bitmaps on X |
| 11:23:39 | amiconn | On the other hand, the flicker-the-pixels approach would enable simulation of Jörg's video plugin as well |
| 11:24:22 | BlueChip | I imagine direct-x is the cure for windows |
| 11:24:38 | amiconn | (No that this makes much sense, since there is no mp3 playback anyway) |
| 11:24:43 | amiconn | *Not |
| 11:25:07 | BlueChip | I'm sure if mad has been done for x, then it can be done for win |
| 11:28:36 | Zagor | i never understood why we would want mp3 playback in the simulator |
| 11:28:51 | LinusN | mp3 playback is completely unnecessary in the sims imho |
| 11:29:09 | BlueChip | The old adage, he who wants it will code it? |
| 11:29:26 | LinusN | yes, but why do you want it? |
| 11:29:36 | BlueChip | me personally? |
| 11:29:46 | BlueChip | for the programming challenge |
| 11:29:53 | LinusN | of course |
| 11:29:56 | Zagor | also, if it makes the simulator code more complex or large it's not enough if just someone wants it |
| 11:30:25 | Zagor | amiconn: i will personally whack you if you implement flickering in the simulator :) |
| 11:31:00 | [IDC]Dragon | I was thinking about this sim business in another way |
| 11:31:02 | BlueChip | I think it would be a damned impressive bit of code |
| 11:31:02 | Zagor | proper grayscale is the way to go |
| 11:31:24 | [IDC]Dragon | we wantto be able to port Rockbox in the long run |
| 11:31:46 | BlueChip | Zagor: what is the issue with memory hungry sim code? |
| 11:31:46 | amiconn | Zagor: Yes, that's also what I think and why I asked about the possibility of displaying bitmaps in X |
| 11:31:54 | [IDC]Dragon | so, a "major" cleanup and dependency split would be necessary |
| 11:32:08 | Zagor | BlueChip: i didn't know we had such an issue |
| 11:32:15 | BlueChip | the sim integration is a mess throughout |
| 11:32:23 | Zagor | although I haven't looked either |
| 11:32:24 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK BlueChip |
| 11:32:24 | BlueChip | [10:29] <Zagor> also, if it makes the simulator code more complex or large it's not enough if just someone wants it |
| 11:32:24 | [IDC]Dragon | so, why not "port" Rockbox to a PC as the first exercise? |
| 11:32:55 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: what is "a pc"? |
| 11:33:00 | BlueChip | cos all my work will be binned, and I have no personal interest in the challenge |
| 11:33:03 | [IDC]Dragon | and with porting, I mean all the features |
| 11:33:17 | Zagor | BlueChip: I mean it's not worth it making the simulator more complex (or add lots of mp3 player code) for playing mp3 |
| 11:33:22 | [IDC]Dragon | PC = Windows or Linux, as you like |
| 11:33:46 | BlueChip | Zagor: it's already been done!? |
| 11:34:07 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: yeah, that could be a fun excercise. but it's quite separate from making the simulator play mp3 |
| 11:34:08 | BlueChip | Zagor: does mad not run with rockbox/x11 ? |
| 11:34:18 | Zagor | it can be made to run |
| 11:34:24 | Zagor | the cvs code does not |
| 11:34:29 | BlueChip | what is crippling it? |
| 11:34:42 | Zagor | ? |
| 11:35:03 | BlueChip | what is stopping the mad code from working? |
| 11:35:10 | Zagor | it's not in cvs |
| 11:35:18 | BlueChip | that's your territory |
| 11:35:32 | LinusN | we can add mp3 playback, but how does it improve anything? |
| 11:35:34 | Zagor | yeah, and i'm saying i don't think the sim needs to play mp3 |
| 11:35:54 | BlueChip | then rockbox should have that feature crippled long term |
| 11:36:14 | LinusN | the sim is a tool mainly for developing UI stuff |
| 11:36:27 | Zagor | hence the name: uisimulator |
| 11:36:34 | BlueChip | i suppose it really depends on whether you three want it or not |
| 11:36:52 | LinusN | BlueChip: again: what good does it do? |
| 11:36:54 | BlueChip | obviously others want it or it would not be written |
| 11:36:59 | amiconn | LinusN: You forgot to bump PLUGIN_API_VERSION when adding mpeg_has_changed_track() |
| 11:37:13 | LinusN | amiconn: why should i? |
| 11:37:21 | Zagor | dragon's idea about a "proper" port is the better way to go if you want rockbox on a pc, i think |
| 11:37:23 | BlueChip | LinusN: for you, me, or the guy who wrote it? |
| 11:37:33 | LinusN | i though i didn't need that when i added it last in the struct |
| 11:37:42 | LinusN | BlueChip: for rockbox |
| 11:37:42 | BlueChip | Zagor: why start doing things properly now - lol ;) |
| 11:37:52 | Zagor | LinusN: the plugins who use it must know if it exists |
| 11:38:01 | LinusN | ah |
| 11:38:46 | Zagor | BlueChip: because the uisimulator was never intended to emulate an archos. if someone wants to do that, expanding the simulator is not the way to go |
| 11:39:10 | Zagor | i.e. we've been doing it properly since day one |
| 11:39:27 | amiconn | LinusN: IIuc, if you add functions at the end, you should bump PLUGIN_API_VERSION to avoid running new plugins with an old rockbox core that doesn't provide these functions, while when changing the structure in an incompatible way, you should bump PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION as well |
| 11:39:31 | BlueChip | LinusN: how will rockbox improve if the simulator is improved - depends on whether you care or not ...personally I can see advantages ...what is the problem with accepting this guys work? |
| 11:39:39 | LinusN | amiconn: understood |
| 11:40:12 | BlueChip | I can see no reason to NOT include it |
| 11:40:16 | LinusN | BlueChip: what would be the advantage, in your opinion? |
| 11:40:17 | Zagor | each thing has a place. just cramming everything where it can be fitted does not make good software |
| 11:40:28 | Zagor | i'm off for lunch, see you later |
| 11:40:32 | BlueChip | LinusN: what is the problem? |
| 11:40:36 | LinusN | BlueChip: what would be the advantage, in your opinion? |
| 11:40:47 | BlueChip | LOL touché |
| 11:42:27 | LinusN | one reason to not include eric's patch is that it *requires* libmad to compile |
| 11:42:32 | BlueChip | it seems the eschelons have decided against it, and I have no plans to try to change their minds - the last time was not pretty for any of us :( |
| 11:43:03 | BlueChip | I am merely offering my thoughts |
| 11:43:47 | BlueChip | I would like to see a slick product - and one thing that means to me is a simulator as good as we can make it |
| 11:43:50 | LinusN | i would happily include libmad playback if it makes the rockbox ui development easier |
| 11:44:19 | BlueChip | I see no reason to pass over work that has already been done, just because I do not use it personally |
| 11:44:54 | BlueChip | debugging vu meter |
| 11:45:02 | BlueChip | testing oscillograph |
| 11:45:09 | BlueChip | checking the wps |
| 11:45:10 | LinusN | if i include the libmad patch, it would make the simulator development *harder*, since the developer would have to download and install libmad, for no benefit at all |
| 11:45:17 | BlueChip | testing namethattune |
| 11:45:46 | BlueChip | sending to your mates to show off your latest thing if they dont own a jukebox |
| 11:45:53 | LinusN | why would the vu meter benefit from unsynchronized sound in the pc soeakers? |
| 11:46:22 | LinusN | the wps works very well without libmad |
| 11:47:06 | BlueChip | i wonder also how many of the mas features can be emulated |
| 11:47:22 | LinusN | that's a completely different thing |
| 11:47:46 | BlueChip | maybe, maybe closely related or even linked |
| 11:47:47 | LinusN | simulating the mas could give benefits |
| 11:48:11 | LinusN | i still don't understand why hearing the sound makes the development so much easier |
| 11:48:15 | midk | haha |
| 11:48:20 | midk | woo |
| 11:48:23 | midk | what did i miss? :) |
| 11:48:59 | BlueChip | I'm amazed that you are unable to find benefits to this scenario as a whole ...if some of the core elements elude you, surely you haven't missed the big picture |
| 11:49:19 | LinusN | i must have |
| 11:50:23 | LinusN | i hve developed rockbox for four years now, and i haven't needed sound in the simulator once |
| 11:51:07 | LinusN | especially since the simulator isn't real time, and the playback is |
| 11:51:28 | BlueChip | I am sure during the recent unpleasantries you also received a number of personal/private emails ...Mine were all "i feel sorry for you" and "lie to them for god sake" ...in the former category were a number of coders who have quit because their work was rejected because "the big cheese didn't like it" |
| 11:51:32 | LinusN | (your tick fix may remedy this to some extent though) |
| 11:51:58 | BlueChip | it is simple enough to make the ui run on a real-time thread |
| 11:52:37 | BlueChip | quote: "Please note though, that although the timer updates at the right speed it does not tick at the right period (windows limitation) |
| 11:52:38 | BlueChip | " ..."This limitation can be over-come by creating a real-time thread, but it seemed harsh to cripple windows just to get the right period in the Rockbox UI sim." |
| 11:52:58 | LinusN | yes, we can make the simulator behave much more like the real target, but is it really worth the effort? |
| 11:53:14 | BlueChip | the effort has ALREADY been put in |
| 11:53:21 | BlueChip | that is not in question |
| 11:53:28 | LinusN | which effort? |
| 11:53:41 | LinusN | the synchronisation of mp3 playback |
| 11:53:41 | LinusN | ? |
| 11:53:46 | BlueChip | libmad? |
| 11:53:52 | BlueChip | have we changed topics? |
| 11:54:24 | LinusN | the libmad patch is unsynchronized |
| 11:54:33 | BlueChip | oh |
| 11:54:44 | BlueChip | so it's a botch |
| 11:55:14 | BlueChip | doesn't sych with the playbar? |
| 11:55:45 | LinusN | no |
| 11:56:08 | LinusN | still, what the heck, the code is there... |
| 11:56:15 | BlueChip | oh! that's poo :( ...hmmm, not much use for debugging the current playback problems then! |
| 11:56:28 | LinusN | nope |
| 11:56:57 | BlueChip | I think anybody prepared to put in that much effort, might be a good man to get on the team, as as it will do no harm, there is a zero-cost benefit |
| 11:59:04 | BlueChip | and of course, then the windows guys will want to out-do it ....and maybe we get code tight enough to help with playback issues |
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| 12:02:53 | LinusN | i seriously doubt that we can solve playback issues with it |
| 12:03:17 | LinusN | since most issues have to do with MAS communication, disk spinup times, and mp3 buffering |
| 12:03:49 | BlueChip | righty, you've already found the source ...that's good ...I always panic when I hit play and hear nothing |
| 12:07:48 | LinusN | :-) |
| 12:08:15 | BlueChip | what's your next big thing? |
| 12:09:06 | LinusN | big thing? |
| 12:10:10 | BlueChip | well, for me klondike & the new card engine are pretty much done, just need to be dusted ....I like the idea of getting greyscale going in the sim so I can get busy with it |
| 12:10:28 | LinusN | that would be cool |
| 12:10:54 | BlueChip | i have a friend who write mobile phone games and he keeps giving all the little insider secretst :) |
| 12:11:12 | BlueChip | I reckon a racing sim is WELL within reach |
| 12:11:38 | LinusN | hehe |
| 12:11:39 | BlueChip | I've gotta get him to help me finish the 3d code for my maze game |
| 12:12:08 | BlueChip | runs well, but looks poo |
| 12:12:43 | midk | haha |
| 12:13:00 | BlueChip | thanks nelson ;) |
| 12:13:42 | LinusN | i have now committed the libmad patch |
| 12:13:46 | LinusN | lunch time |
| 12:13:52 | BlueChip | l8rz :) |
| 12:14:57 | LinusN | btw, you're right, we added libmad playback years ago, so if someone makes it work again, why should we stop it? |
| 12:15:02 | midk | seeya LinusN |
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| 12:17:37 | BlueChip | are you aware of your sign off message |
| 12:17:40 | BlueChip | mk |
| 12:17:49 | midk | yes. |
| 12:18:03 | BlueChip | ok |
| 12:18:19 | midk | lol |
| 12:18:25 | midk | inside joke? heh heh.. |
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| 12:55:28 | [IDC]Dragon | an *option* for a solid progress bar, sigh... |
| 12:56:19 | BlueChip | perhaps this type of thing could be put in the "overkill features" menu? :) |
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| 12:59:32 | LinusN | personally, i don't care how it looks |
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| 13:01:16 | LinusN | if i remove the option, we will soon have a new feature request or even a patch that either reverts it to the old style or adds the option again |
| 13:01:39 | LinusN | and it will sit in the tracker and collect dust |
| 13:01:51 | Zagor | i was actually wondering when we first introduced it why <whoever> decided to *not* use a filled progress bar |
| 13:02:03 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:02:14 | LinusN | so i'll remove the option, ok? |
| 13:02:33 | LinusN | much easier to see the solid bar imho |
| 13:02:34 | midk | hey linux woo |
| 13:03:27 | LinusN | i'll remove the option and make it solid for good |
| 13:03:47 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 13:03:47 | * | LinusN is awaiting the NOOOOOOO!!!! scream |
| 13:04:01 | LinusN | going... |
| 13:04:03 | BlueChip | I'd love to care that much, sorry :( |
| 13:04:04 | midk | oh come on |
| 13:04:05 | LinusN | 3.. |
| 13:04:06 | midk | LINUS |
| 13:04:07 | LinusN | 2... |
| 13:04:07 | midk | jeez |
| 13:04:11 | LinusN | 1... |
| 13:04:16 | midk | *sets autoreplace |
| 13:04:17 | LinusN | SOLD to the guy in the corner! |
| 13:04:30 | midk | ME? |
| 13:04:32 | midk | wow, free |
| 13:04:35 | midk | i didn't even bid. |
| 13:04:40 | LinusN | you blinked |
| 13:04:48 | midk | that's fine, it's still free |
| 13:04:52 | midk | ...isn't it? |
| 13:05:11 | midk | what did i purchase anyways? :) |
| 13:05:20 | LinusN | a load of old shit |
| 13:06:01 | Zagor | yeah, I agree to go solid. it'll be interesting to see if anyone liked the old way better :) |
| 13:06:17 | midk | um |
| 13:06:18 | midk | i don't want it |
| 13:06:22 | midk | umm |
| 13:06:25 | midk | going three times |
| 13:06:27 | midk | SOLD TO BCBC!! |
| 13:06:37 | midk | *hands it over on a rusty, old platter |
| 13:10:37 | LinusN | the progress bar is now solid for good |
| 13:10:56 | LinusN | is there any other use for the slidebar widget? |
| 13:11:12 | Zagor | yeah, in the file browser |
| 13:11:17 | LinusN | ah |
| 13:11:52 | LinusN | funny, the scroll bar in the file browser is a slide bar |
| 13:12:11 | Zagor | ? |
| 13:13:40 | LinusN | me silly |
| 13:14:03 | Zagor | gosh, why do we have three different widgets for that? |
| 13:14:52 | LinusN | the slide bar is only used by the video plugin |
| 13:15:10 | midk | um |
| 13:15:11 | Zagor | those three should be merged to one, imho |
| 13:15:12 | midk | and progressbar |
| 13:15:25 | midk | wps progress bar* |
| 13:15:31 | midk | um.. did anyone notice the new patch |
| 13:15:38 | midk | slidebar or progressbar for the wps? |
| 13:15:53 | Zagor | midk: go look in cvs |
| 13:15:56 | LinusN | noticed it too now |
| 13:16:09 | midk | oh. neet! |
| 13:16:09 | Zagor | or just 20 lines up here :) |
| 13:16:18 | dwihno | I was about to check out the CVS stuff... What is needed for simulator? And where is the CVS nowadays? :) |
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| 13:16:53 | Zagor | dwihno: http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS :) |
| 13:17:08 | dwihno | bah ;D |
| 13:18:07 | BlueChip | rockbox-devel |
| 13:18:10 | BlueChip | AND fonts |
| 13:18:49 | BlueChip | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel |
| 13:19:14 | BlueChip | cd rockbox-devel |
| 13:19:28 | BlueChip | cvs co fonts |
| 13:19:47 | dwihno | username? |
| 13:19:54 | BlueChip | anonymous |
| 13:20:10 | LinusN | i will remove the progressbar() and slidebar() functions |
| 13:20:47 | dwihno | neato |
| 13:21:16 | BlueChip | my devkit has that (and a number of other things) as scripts ...above was "cvsget" |
| 13:21:55 | LinusN | i think such scripts do more harm than good, imho |
| 13:22:08 | BlueChip | gotta bear in mind my target audience |
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| 13:22:17 | BlueChip | ALWAYS consider your audience |
| 13:22:28 | dwihno | *building* |
| 13:22:55 | BlueChip | in the devkit, you then hit f3 and end up with a sim |
| 13:22:58 | LinusN | my approach is that the audience should take every chance to learn something |
| 13:23:12 | BlueChip | stay out of the entertainment industry |
| 13:23:17 | BlueChip | lol |
| 13:23:20 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:23:21 | midk | haha |
| 13:23:40 | dwihno | LinusN: Just a quickie... I'll put my menu framework in separate files. My "slider-progress-thingy", should it be placed in widgets? |
| 13:23:42 | LinusN | (since when did C development become entertainment industry :-)) |
| 13:23:43 | BlueChip | my was is not the right way for everybody |
| 13:24:05 | LinusN | menu framework? |
| 13:24:08 | BlueChip | LOL |
| 13:24:19 | BlueChip | oh geez dude, is this your gui? |
| 13:24:21 | dwihno | LinusN: Well, GUI shit :) |
| 13:24:35 | BlueChip | YEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHAAAAAARRGGGGGGGGGGGG |
| 13:24:50 | BlueChip | i was impressed while it was still crashing |
| 13:25:16 | midk | what are you talking about. lol |
| 13:25:24 | Zagor | dwihno: you should use the slider we have, not add another |
| 13:25:47 | dwihno | Zagor: I want a pretty slider deluxe! :D |
| 13:25:51 | dwihno | pretty_slider_deluxe() |
| 13:26:04 | Zagor | is it much bigger than the one we have? |
| 13:26:05 | BlueChip | could this slider replace the old one? |
| 13:26:06 | midk | lol |
| 13:26:17 | midk | umm |
| 13:26:21 | midk | what about a checkered one? |
| 13:26:24 | * | BlueChip mutters something about random number generators |
| 13:26:36 | * | midk ignores BlueChip |
| 13:27:07 | dwihno | Zagor: Dunno, haven't seen it, I guess... |
| 13:27:17 | midk | jk |
| 13:28:31 | Zagor | my point is the same as BCs: if your slider is better in all aspects we should simply replace the old one. |
| 13:30:27 | LinusN | midk: you use progressbar() in your clock plugin, which progress bar are you referring to? |
| 13:30:38 | midk | which? |
| 13:30:44 | midk | the progress bar, the one that fills up. |
| 13:30:52 | midk | the one that is now at the wps |
| 13:31:33 | midk | slidebar makes a small rect at the current level, progressbar fills up as the level increases, and scrollbar resizes a small rect at the current level. |
| 13:31:37 | midk | don't you know your OWN CODE? |
| 13:31:38 | midk | lol |
| 13:31:54 | BlueChip | lol |
| 13:32:13 | LinusN | i am stupid |
| 13:32:23 | midk | i noticed... that you aren't |
| 13:32:23 | LinusN | i confused you with dwihno |
| 13:32:26 | midk | i mean |
| 13:32:29 | midk | did i mean that? |
| 13:32:39 | midk | whatever. i have no comment on the 'stupid' statement. |
| 13:32:51 | LinusN | dwihno: yes, put the deluxe slider in widgets.c |
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| 13:36:02 | Zagor | why do we want an ugly slider if dwinho has written a pretty one? |
| 13:36:35 | dwihno | My slider is huge |
| 13:36:43 | midk | LOL |
| 13:36:45 | dwihno | It fits ~ 3 sliders per page |
| 13:36:51 | midk | resize it. |
| 13:36:55 | dwihno | Can't |
| 13:36:57 | midk | what's so fancy about it? |
| 13:36:58 | dwihno | It will look ugly |
| 13:37:09 | dwihno | it has text, progress bar and percentage display |
| 13:37:14 | midk | oh, cool! |
| 13:37:21 | Zagor | what are you writing? |
| 13:37:22 | midk | like |
| 13:37:41 | midk | {====4:22[]73% } |
| 13:37:42 | midk | ? |
| 13:38:18 | midk | you can pack the sysfixed font in and keep it 7px high probably |
| 13:38:20 | LinusN | zagor: new sound settings |
| 13:38:25 | midk | tops of letters will be cut off, but... |
| 13:38:54 | Zagor | ok |
| 13:39:25 | BlueChip | down with audio-3587 - lol |
| 13:39:32 | midk | noooo |
| 13:39:41 | midk | i like the mdb screen |
| 13:40:12 | BlueChip | i've got some crazy stereo-sep settings saved on mine - you can do some real groovy stuff with that |
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| 13:54:51 | midk | oh boy am i tired... it's 5 am. |
| 13:54:56 | midk | okay, maybe sleep time? |
| 13:55:00 | | Nick midk is now known as midk|bed (~Zakk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) |
| 13:55:18 | midk|bed | nite |
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| 14:47:06 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I just saw a v2 recorder at the local Saturn market |
| 14:48:37 | * | LinusN wants a recorder for his wife |
| 14:48:59 | BlueChip | sounds like a fair deal |
| 14:49:04 | webmind | heh |
| 14:49:13 | * | webmind only has a player, sorry |
| 14:49:15 | amiconn | They sell it for € 199... |
| 14:49:30 | BlueChip | web: you may get one of his children for that |
| 14:51:24 | webmind | owh |
| 14:51:28 | webmind | that could be fun |
| 14:54:30 | Zagor | LinusN: hey, you have two already. don't hoard them all for yourself :) |
| 14:54:55 | BlueChip | TWO WIVES!!! :O |
| 14:55:06 | Zagor | hehe |
| 14:55:38 | BlueChip | no wonder he's willing to trade one for an mp3 player ...one is bad enough |
| 14:55:47 | BlueChip | ;) |
| 14:56:43 | LinusN | i need my recorders for developing purposes |
| 14:57:25 | Zagor | well it's not like she's living in another town ;) |
| 14:59:03 | LinusN | it's for travelling, silly :-) |
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| 15:01:08 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: u there? |
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| 15:03:59 | LinusN | hi Christi-S |
| 15:04:08 | LinusN | the daily build worked! |
| 15:04:26 | BlueChip | gotta go now - l8rz all :) |
| 15:04:30 | LinusN | BlueChip: cu |
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| 15:04:48 | Christi-S | Cool. Nice to see the patch go in too. I did think about suggesting just making it the default, but I don't like to change default behaviour. |
| 15:05:49 | LinusN | isn't it wonderful to have to make a new screenshot of the wps? :-) |
| 15:06:02 | Christi-S | *laugh* |
| 15:06:40 | Christi-S | Was the consensus that pretty much everyone preferred the new bar then? |
| 15:06:56 | LinusN | we didn't ask around that much |
| 15:07:12 | Zagor | we prefer to just change stuff and listen to the screams ;) |
| 15:07:48 | Christi-S | I guess if there's huge complaints, you can always add the option again. |
| 15:07:59 | Christi-S | But somehow I doubt there will be. |
| 15:08:04 | LinusN | me too |
| 15:09:05 | amiconn | Personally I don't care much about the exact look of the progressbar |
| 15:09:12 | LinusN | same here |
| 15:09:24 | LinusN | although i think i like the solid one better |
| 15:10:16 | * | Christi-S is of the same opinion. It was just a nice easy thing to do for a first patch. |
| 15:10:47 | Christi-S | There's always a learning curve with someone else's code. I prefer to climb slowly. |
| 15:11:00 | LinusN | i think you did it very well |
| 15:11:09 | Christi-S | Thanks. |
| 15:11:23 | LinusN | i can't remember any first patch with correct LANG ID's and correct settings code |
| 15:12:01 | * | Christi-S grins. I was writing C for IBM 12 years ago. They tend to teach good programming practice. |
| 15:12:32 | Christi-S | Well, and that you must pseudocode everything, but no-one's *always* right. ;) |
| 15:13:42 | amiconn | LinusN: But then the settings code was simplified by Jörg recently |
| 15:15:14 | * | Christi-S is thinking about how to make saving and loading settings work better. I plug my JB in to several sound systems depending on where I am, and it's a bit fiddly to maintain umpteen different config files and drop to a menu 5 levels down if I want to change. |
| 15:15:56 | Christi-S | I also finally bit the bullet and set up a proper linux dev. environment. It was a lot less painful than I'd thought. |
| 15:16:17 | Christi-S | But I will finish the sodding manual before writing any more patches. |
| 15:16:34 | amiconn | LinusN: Is the mp3 playback in the X11 sim supposed to work under cygwin also? |
| 15:17:49 | LinusN | i have absolutely no idea |
| 15:18:08 | amiconn | Christi-S: I store my config files in the drive's root to have quick access |
| 15:18:34 | amiconn | LinusN: Btw, got my question concerning bitmaps under X11? |
| 15:18:50 | LinusN | yeah, i think it can be done with bitmaps as well |
| 15:18:57 | LinusN | but i am no x11 ninja |
| 15:19:11 | * | Christi-S nods. I suppose you can just play them from there. But don't they have to be in .rockbox for the settings to be remembered over poweroffs. |
| 15:20:10 | amiconn | Christi-S: You can play them from anywhere. The permanent settings are not stored in these files, but in a special sector of the hd and in the RTC (recorders only) |
| 15:20:56 | amiconn | The only files that have to be under .rockbox to be used permanently are .wps, .lng (and of course .voice) |
| 15:21:46 | * | amiconn looks if cygwin does provide libmad... |
| 15:23:10 | Christi-S | Fair enough. Can you delete all the settings you want the config file to leave alone from the .cfg file safely? |
| 15:23:23 | amiconn | yes |
| 15:23:39 | Christi-S | That just about solves every problem I have then. |
| 15:24:57 | LinusN | i think it would be nice to have a "save sound settings" feature |
| 15:25:10 | LinusN | save a .cfg file with only sound settings |
| 15:26:31 | amiconn | No libmad for cygwin, at least in the official distribution :( |
| 15:26:36 | LinusN | :-( |
| 15:27:18 | amiconn | However, the X11 sim does compile without it |
| 15:28:06 | LinusN | yes, you have to enable libmad in the makefile to use it |
| 15:29:58 | LinusN | make HAVE_MPEG_PLAY=1 |
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| 15:30:39 | Christi-S- | Hmm I wonder if it's worth implementing a "default" config file and saving other files as diffs to the default, or is that just unnecessarily complex? |
| 15:31:02 | LinusN | why would you want that? |
| 15:31:11 | amiconn | Away again. |
| 15:32:14 | Christi-S- | Well for the situation where you plug in your box to multiple setups and want different configs for each, but a lot of the options (UI, for example) are probably going to stay the same. |
| 15:33:11 | Christi-S- | Maybe this is something most people don't do. But I plug my JB into headphones, PC, stereo, etc depending on where I am, |
| 15:33:57 | LinusN | that's what i thought my "save sound settings" proposal would solve |
| 15:34:52 | Zagor | either that, or trim the config files manually |
| 15:34:59 | * | Christi-S- nods. Not seen the proposal, but it sounds like it might. Except that for in car use, you probably want to change font and wps too. |
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| 15:35:18 | blufrog | herllo |
| 15:35:42 | Zagor | Christi-S-: an "incomplete" (not all options present) config file will act as a diff |
| 15:35:43 | LinusN | Christi-S-: i proposed it 15:25 in this very channel :-) |
| 15:35:46 | blufrog | why is there a D&D channel on here |
| 15:35:57 | Zagor | blufrog: this is not a d&d channel |
| 15:35:58 | LinusN | blufrog: ????? |
| 15:36:06 | * | Christi-S- is happy to trim manually. However, it'd be nice if it didn't require 'l33t haX0r 5k1ll5" to do that sort of thing. |
| 15:36:31 | Zagor | well, cutting lines from a text file isn't particularly difficult |
| 15:36:33 | * | Christi-S- wonders if it's worth starting to include a library of premade WPS screens as well. |
| 15:36:44 | blufrog | linus i can explain. |
| 15:36:55 | LinusN | Christi-S-: <LinusN> i think it would be nice to have a "save sound settings" feature |
| 15:36:55 | LinusN | <LinusN> save a .cfg file with only sound settings |
| 15:36:56 | Zagor | i think the wiki wps gallery is good enough |
| 15:37:09 | Zagor | most people who download rockbox have internet access :) |
| 15:37:15 | * | Christi-S- nods to Linus. It's a good idea. |
| 15:37:47 | Christi-S- | True, Zagor, but we provide a whole bunch of fonts by default, why not do the same for WPS files. They're hardly huge. |
| 15:38:11 | Zagor | can't hurt, i guess |
| 15:38:18 | blufrog | do you have any good WPS files |
| 15:38:32 | Zagor | blufrog: http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
| 15:39:54 | blufrog | im sorry guys but you have to have the file size in there somewhere |
| 15:40:07 | blufrog | until you do, your WPS will always be inferior to mine |
| 15:40:38 | Christi-S- | That's the point of configurable WPS. You get the display *you* want. |
| 15:40:56 | blufrog | ahhh christi, and thus you have answered your own question |
| 15:41:04 | Christi-S- | But I imagine other users not up to making their own might like a choice of styles. |
| 15:41:07 | blufrog | thats why fonts are included in teh download, and wps are not |
| 15:41:32 | * | Christi-S- pulls a face at blufrog and points at the second part of her statement. |
| 15:41:46 | blufrog | christis is nice cause it has battery life |
| 15:42:08 | blufrog | holy crap how come it says 19h battery life?? |
| 15:42:31 | Christi-S- | I think that's a lie. But I have higher cap LIons in my machine. |
| 15:42:55 | blufrog | oh its v2 recorder with LIon batteries? |
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| 15:43:32 | Christi-S- | I also record everything at 256Kbps, so my battery runs down faster. ;) |
| 15:43:35 | blufrog | sorry im so stupid guys. i want to apologize for it now |
| 15:43:48 | blufrog | i know i talk a lot, but i learn so much here |
| 15:44:07 | blufrog | you encode at vbr ... that would be better i think |
| 15:44:18 | blufrog | like about 190 vbr |
| 15:44:58 | blufrog | just curious ... what programs and encoders does everyone use to encode with |
| 15:45:19 | Zagor | lame |
| 15:45:34 | Christi-S- | I've actually switched to 256 with the new style of VBR whose name I forget but which averages out to the bit rate you specify. |
| 15:46:00 | Christi-S- | I did sound tests when I first started ripping and decided that I was certain I could hear no degredation at 256. |
| 15:46:08 | Christi-S- | Not true at 192, sadly. |
| 15:46:31 | Christi-S- | Exact Audio Copy (but I used CDex for a long time) |
| 15:46:47 | blufrog | i use audiograbber with the lame encoder |
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| 15:47:13 | blufrog | mmm roger water mp3s. |
| 15:47:18 | blufrog | did you encode that yourself? |
| 15:47:23 | Christi-S- | Yup. |
| 15:47:35 | blufrog | do you have that cd of his with the bird on the cover |
| 15:47:49 | Christi-S- | Erm, possibly. Is that Amused to Death? |
| 15:47:58 | blufrog | yep. thats it. can i borrow it? |
| 15:48:08 | * | Christi-S- hardly ever sees the covers. |
| 15:48:12 | blufrog | there was a time i looked everywhere for that, but couldnt find it |
| 15:48:20 | LinusN | i have to go |
| 15:48:22 | LinusN | cu folx |
| 15:48:24 | Zagor | all my cds are in a box on the attic |
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| 15:48:31 | Christi-S- | Sorry, no. I don't lend CDs. |
| 15:48:40 | blufrog | but christi... but... |
| 15:48:52 | blufrog | i will let you borrow my kate bush cds |
| 15:49:12 | Christi-S- | That's but I have enough Kate Bush. ;) |
| 15:49:32 | blufrog | you can never have enough kate bush, until you have all kate bush |
| 15:49:55 | blufrog | i have a serious question though, maybe someone can help. |
| 15:50:09 | Christi-S- | http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00002488O/qid=1089294580/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/026-8656671-1771635 |
| 15:50:21 | Christi-S- | There you go, Blufrog, under 6 UK pounds. |
| 15:50:37 | blufrog | i think it would weigh the same in the US wouldnt it |
| 15:50:45 | Zagor | doesn't look like a bird to me ;) |
| 15:50:59 | Christi-S- | Search on Amazon.com rather than .co.uk for US prices. |
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| 15:51:26 | blufrog | its a tortoise! how did it change to a tortoise? |
| 15:51:46 | Christi-S- | I think it's actually an ape. |
| 15:51:46 | blufrog | or as we say in portuguese... tortuga |
| 15:51:56 | * | Zagor agrees with Christi-S- |
| 15:52:29 | blufrog | no, tortuga translates to tortoise, im pretty sure |
| 15:53:22 | Zagor | yeah, but there's no tortoise in that image |
| 15:53:37 | blufrog | hmm |
| 15:53:45 | blufrog | hey, roger waters stuff is expensive in the us |
| 15:53:53 | blufrog | http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid=1776704&domain_id=1876&meta_id=2 |
| 15:54:11 | Christi-S- | Never trust eBay for prices. People pay stupid money on there sometimes. |
| 15:54:35 | blufrog | i sold a sparkelhorse cd for about 15 bucks |
| 15:55:43 | blufrog | my serious question is this... |
| 15:56:32 | blufrog | is it possible to use windows2000 or windowsME or windoes98 to format/partitiion a 40gb harddrive after it has already been installed in an archos? |
| 15:57:08 | blufrog | because i installed an unformatted drive in my archos, but i havent partitiioned it yet FAT32 |
| 15:57:29 | blufrog | and im sure its got to be possible to do via USB, but i havent read or seen anything about anyone doing it, anywhere |
| 15:59:06 | Christi-S- | If you have a choice, try Windows ME. 2k/XP is fussy about creating large FAT32 partitions. |
| 15:59:26 | blufrog | oh k |
| 15:59:42 | Christi-S- | But it should just be a matter of plugging it in and selecting "format" on the drive. |
| 15:59:57 | Christi-S- | If not, then there's a tool on the website for formatting large fat disks. |
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| 16:00:15 | blufrog | on the archos or rockbox site? |
| 16:02:00 | blufrog | so it isnt necessary to buy a 2.5 to 3.5 HD adapter? |
| 16:03:15 | Christi-S- | rockbox. |
| 16:03:38 | Christi-S- | I don't believe so, although if that fails, they aren't exactly pricey. |
| 16:04:21 | Christi-S- | (Usual disclaimer - I am not a USB hard drive expert, etc. etc. etc.) |
| 16:05:13 | blufrog | christi you have poor vision, that cracks me up |
| 16:05:29 | Christi-S- | Why? |
| 16:05:55 | blufrog | −−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−− |
| 16:05:59 | blufrog | ChristiScarborough - 03 Jul 2004 |
| 16:05:59 | blufrog | I don't see too well so I created a couple of WPSes that I think are a bit clearer |
| 16:06:31 | * | Christi-S- nods. I just don't understand why you think it's funny. |
| 16:07:06 | blufrog | i have a rare sense of humor |
| 16:07:54 | blufrog | can i ask you a question christi? |
| 16:08:03 | Christi-S- | Yes. |
| 16:08:24 | blufrog | do you think compact flash is more often spelt compactflash, or with a space? |
| 16:08:36 | Christi-S- | Erm, usually with a space. |
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| 16:09:45 | blufrog | yeah i would think so too |
| 16:11:19 | blufrog | what type of archos do you have |
| 16:11:31 | Christi-S- | FM recorder. |
| 16:11:41 | blufrog | ohhh. 20gb? |
| 16:12:29 | Christi-S- | Upgraded to 60. I like carrying my entire CD collection round with me. |
| 16:13:44 | blufrog | oh my. do you have a list of your entire music list |
| 16:14:19 | blufrog | i used to post a list of all my mp3s on an undisclosed angelfire account, but i dont have a computer now |
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| 16:14:53 | blufrog | im jealous of you |
| 16:15:09 | Christi-S- | Don't be. There's more to life than having a shiny MP3 player. |
| 16:16:02 | * | Christi-S- sighs - the UI simulator and VNC really don't seem to get on. |
| 16:16:08 | blufrog | is there really? certainly you dont believe that |
| 16:16:16 | Zagor | works great in X11 over ssh |
| 16:17:55 | * | Christi-S- nods. Well technically I could just use the monitor switch box and do it on the console, but it's a pain to have to keep switching. |
| 16:22:09 | blufrog | theres a room on this server called #D&D |
| 16:23:16 | Zagor | uh, yeah. there's an #a&a too. and #ai, #alx and 1860 others. |
| 16:23:45 | blufrog | i cast magic missle! |
| 16:23:48 | * | Christi-S- comes up with a solution. Install a VNC server on my Windows box too. |
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| 16:31:09 | blufrog | :) |
| 16:46:13 | blufrog | bye everyone. thanks for helping me. |
| 16:46:34 | blufrog | and christi, you need to send me a DVD-R with all the roger waters MP3s on it! |
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| 17:39:10 | minitrx | hi, any1 can help me flash my rom ? |
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| 17:52:45 | Christi-S | Argh - how, if at all, does one run plugins under the simulator? |
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| 17:55:58 | Zagor | just run them, as on the archos |
| 17:56:20 | Christi-S | Ah. Browse plugins doesn't seem to work on the sim, but. |
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| 18:58:02 | Christi-S | Right, I've now updated all the screenshots in the manual, I think I'll call that enough for today. |
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| 19:46:01 | zeekoe | hey |
| 19:46:01 | zeekoe | anyone here? |
| 19:46:18 | Rob2222 | gooed evening |
| 19:46:20 | Rob2222 | dogbert? |
| 19:46:45 | zeekoe | gooed evening too |
| 19:46:54 | zeekoe | who is dogbert? |
| 19:47:20 | Rob2222 | someone i thought he's here |
| 19:48:25 | zeekoe | guess he isnt :P |
| 19:48:43 | zeekoe | i think he just hid before you came in :P |
| 19:48:54 | Rob2222 | i think, too |
| 19:50:08 | zeekoe | do you know if it's possible to browse for music files while playing? |
| 19:50:16 | zeekoe | in archos os it's possible |
| 19:50:24 | zeekoe | but i couldnt figure how to do it in rockbox |
| 19:50:40 | Rob2222 | huh, sorry, i dont have an archos |
| 19:51:03 | zeekoe | heh |
| 19:51:12 | zeekoe | WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE |
| 19:51:12 | zeekoe | :P |
| 19:51:26 | Rob2222 | im searching for dogbert |
| 19:51:50 | Rob2222 | but he doesn't have an archos, too |
| 19:51:51 | Rob2222 | ;) |
| 19:52:38 | zeekoe | hehe |
| 19:52:41 | zeekoe | okay... |
| 19:52:51 | Rob2222 | we've Iriver players |
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| 19:54:55 | zeekoe | Iriver? |
| 19:54:59 | zeekoe | are they good? |
| 19:55:12 | zeekoe | do they have rockbox? :P |
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| 20:09:11 | Rob2222 | zeekoe: maybe, we are on the way to get own code running on the iriver |
| 20:09:43 | Rob2222 | hos os it's possible |
| 20:09:43 | Rob2222 | [19:51:16] <zeekoe> but i co |
| 20:19:54 | zeekoe | heh |
| 20:20:11 | zeekoe | sorry, dont have an irc client which blinks on messages... |
| 20:20:41 | zeekoe | i hope you'll have luck with the iriver |
| 20:21:01 | zeekoe | anyone listening here? |
| 20:21:12 | * | zeekoe having question :) |
| 20:21:30 | zeekoe | can't find the flashable rockbox on your site |
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| 20:32:36 | zeekoe | aaaaaaaaargh |
| 20:33:09 | zeekoe | nobody who can find the flashable rockbox? |
| 20:33:27 | zeekoe | http://www.google.com/search?q=firmware_rec.bin&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 20:39:57 | | Nick midk|bed is now known as midk (~Zakk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) |
| 20:54:07 | midk | calm DOWN |
| 20:54:12 | midk | i will find it for you, sir lazy. |
| 20:55:04 | midk | rec, fm or v2? |
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| 21:02:26 | midk | hey Christi-S, was that your slidebar patch? |
| 21:02:59 | * | Christi-S nods. Although they decided to just make the progress bar the new one rather than have it as an option. |
| 21:03:15 | Christi-S | (which means it's about 1 line of code that's actually mine. ;) |
| 21:03:51 | midk | yeah :) but still, the patch was good... must say, good job - i commented on it |
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| 21:04:09 | midk | i coded that once, you code stealer.. |
| 21:04:13 | midk | zeekoe. what model |
| 21:04:14 | Christi-S | Thanks. |
| 21:04:15 | midk | fm, rec, v2? |
| 21:07:10 | midk | whatever then |
| 21:07:15 | midk | look here. |
| 21:07:16 | midk | http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/flash/ |
| 21:09:05 | zeekoe | oh |
| 21:09:05 | zeekoe | hey |
| 21:09:07 | zeekoe | thanks! |
| 21:09:14 | zeekoe | sorry, was going offline |
| 21:09:20 | zeekoe | had to drink tea and stuff |
| 21:09:41 | midk | :) np |
| 21:10:11 | zeekoe | i have jukebox recorder 20 |
| 21:10:20 | zeekoe | so that is flash_rec.zip |
| 21:10:23 | zeekoe | i suppose |
| 21:10:49 | zeekoe | which rockbox version is it? |
| 21:11:20 | midk | pretty old.. |
| 21:11:24 | zeekoe | heh |
| 21:11:24 | midk | probably 2.2 |
| 21:11:28 | zeekoe | okay |
| 21:11:31 | midk | update when you finish |
| 21:11:41 | zeekoe | i was using that until half an hour ago... |
| 21:11:45 | zeekoe | so it's old :P |
| 21:11:56 | midk | haha :) |
| 21:12:22 | zeekoe | hmm... i guess the rockbox also checks hard disc for ajbrec.ajz? |
| 21:12:33 | midk | nope.. go ahead and take it out |
| 21:12:40 | zeekoe | hmm |
| 21:12:41 | midk | i leave it out anyways.. it's not needed |
| 21:12:47 | midk | just clutters up the root |
| 21:12:50 | zeekoe | but how can i use the newest firmware? |
| 21:13:02 | midk | flash first, then upgrade with a UCL |
| 21:13:09 | zeekoe | okay |
| 21:13:30 | zeekoe | i've read something about UCLs... |
| 21:13:45 | midk | get them in the daily build pack |
| 21:13:56 | midk | TO UPGRADE: ok unzip the whole pack to your archos. |
| 21:14:01 | midk | the daily build |
| 21:14:10 | midk | ROLO into the ajbrec.ajz file that will be in root. |
| 21:14:28 | zeekoe | okay |
| 21:14:31 | midk | run the rockbox.ucl that is in /.rockbox/ (/.rockbox/rockbox.ucl) |
| 21:14:34 | zeekoe | ah |
| 21:14:35 | zeekoe | ok |
| 21:14:38 | midk | press F2 and let it flash |
| 21:14:42 | midk | reboot your box, will be ugpraded |
| 21:14:45 | zeekoe | cool |
| 21:14:47 | midk | and you can delete the ajbrec |
| 21:15:18 | zeekoe | i also got a AJBM.ajz, i guess it's also just cluttering up the root? |
| 21:15:24 | zeekoe | (bought the unit 2nd hand) |
| 21:15:40 | midk | cjbm.ajz you mean? |
| 21:16:08 | midk | whatever it is, it can go. |
| 21:16:13 | midk | you could try ROLOing it |
| 21:16:16 | midk | see if it's anything good.. |
| 21:17:29 | zeekoe | i already tried ROLOing it |
| 21:17:37 | zeekoe | it said corrupt file or so |
| 21:17:46 | zeekoe | AJBM.AJZ is it called |
| 21:17:57 | zeekoe | well... not anymore now :P |
| 21:18:46 | zeekoe | okay... now it is time... |
| 21:18:48 | zeekoe | :P |
| 21:18:56 | midk | hha |
| 21:18:58 | midk | btw |
| 21:19:02 | midk | it can't fail during this flash |
| 21:19:12 | midk | if it does fail there is a very simple recovery method |
| 21:20:38 | zeekoe | ? |
| 21:20:43 | zeekoe | the docs say it can |
| 21:20:58 | zeekoe | the simple method is opening the device, soldering a serial thing, etc? :P |
| 21:21:23 | zeekoe | my hardware mask is 0x0302 btw |
| 21:21:39 | zeekoe | maybe you'd like to know that :) |
| 21:22:47 | midk | what? |
| 21:22:51 | midk | oh |
| 21:22:52 | midk | wiat |
| 21:22:59 | midk | the first flash is the dangerous one... |
| 21:23:14 | midk | but after the first flash it is foolproof really.. |
| 21:24:06 | zeekoe | :( why do you say that now |
| 21:24:11 | zeekoe | it screwed up |
| 21:24:19 | zeekoe | nah, just kidding :D |
| 21:24:37 | midk | lol |
| 21:25:16 | zeekoe | whee |
| 21:25:20 | zeekoe | it's fast :):) |
| 21:25:57 | zeekoe | hmm... my drive letters keep growing |
| 21:26:04 | zeekoe | it started at L: and now it's P: |
| 21:26:20 | zeekoe | anyway, thanks a lot! |
| 21:26:27 | zeekoe | it works :-D |
| 21:27:06 | midk | p? |
| 21:27:08 | midk | wow. |
| 21:27:31 | zeekoe | well yeah, i have my hard disk a bit split up |
| 21:27:42 | midk | haha |
| 21:27:45 | zeekoe | it's c,d,f,g,h,i |
| 21:27:46 | midk | how many partitions? |
| 21:27:58 | zeekoe | cdrom=e |
| 21:28:06 | midk | holy hell.. i used to, including peripherals etc, be up to like J.. |
| 21:28:08 | zeekoe | nero fake cdrom=i,j |
| 21:28:11 | midk | bot wow |
| 21:28:14 | midk | lol |
| 21:28:16 | midk | but wow* |
| 21:28:33 | zeekoe | and a ramdisk z, but that one never worked :P |
| 21:28:40 | zeekoe | still have to remove it sometime |
| 21:29:09 | midk | :) |
| 21:30:12 | zeekoe | yay |
| 21:30:17 | zeekoe | have today's cvs inside |
| 21:30:50 | midk | woo.... try the new features |
| 21:31:03 | midk | i haven't updated for about a month now, maybe i better. :) |
| 21:31:24 | zeekoe | i want voice menus!!! :) |
| 21:31:35 | midk | install them. |
| 21:31:40 | zeekoe | the video is still out of sync... |
| 21:31:57 | midk | http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceFiles |
| 21:32:16 | midk | hmmm not for me usually |
| 21:32:38 | midk | I TRIES THE WINDOWS INSTALLER |
| 21:33:25 | zeekoe | yeah, allready got it |
| 21:33:30 | zeekoe | :? |
| 21:33:38 | zeekoe | you tries the windows installer? |
| 21:33:43 | zeekoe | for what |
| 21:33:47 | midk | for archos. |
| 21:33:57 | midk | rockbox installer. |
| 21:33:59 | zeekoe | ... |
| 21:34:04 | zeekoe | okay |
| 21:34:05 | midk | http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily.shtml |
| 21:34:08 | midk | "Windows installer" |
| 21:34:19 | zeekoe | ah |
| 21:34:20 | zeekoe | ok |
| 21:34:24 | zeekoe | i saw it too |
| 21:34:40 | midk | yeah.. seems pretty nice. |
| 21:35:07 | zeekoe | heh funny |
| 21:35:19 | zeekoe | does it check for archos device version? |
| 21:35:29 | midk | no, you specify |
| 21:35:35 | zeekoe | ok |
| 21:36:11 | zeekoe | it's q now :-) |
| 21:36:29 | midk | LOL |
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| 21:36:32 | midk | that's a lot. |
| 21:36:37 | zeekoe | :) |
| 21:36:45 | zeekoe | i wonder what it does after Y |
| 21:36:54 | midk | hmm, check! |
| 21:38:02 | midk | hmm, WTF. |
| 21:38:07 | zeekoe | hmm... didnt put the voice into the right directory |
| 21:38:10 | zeekoe | so now its r |
| 21:38:21 | zeekoe | whats wrong? |
| 21:38:59 | midk | mm |
| 21:39:02 | midk | read the instructions.. |
| 21:39:12 | zeekoe | yeah i know |
| 21:39:16 | zeekoe | im doing that :) |
| 21:39:25 | midk | k |
| 21:39:48 | zeekoe | wheeeeeeee |
| 21:39:52 | zeekoe | this rocks! |
| 21:40:26 | midk | a fool and his voice clip is soon united. :) |
| 21:40:29 | midk | are* |
| 21:41:43 | zeekoe | so i'm a fool? ;) |
| 21:41:53 | midk | nooo |
| 21:41:56 | midk | lol |
| 21:42:21 | zeekoe | in holland we say something like "a child's hand is easily filled" |
| 21:43:19 | midk | haha, that's pretty much what i meant :D |
| 21:43:27 | zeekoe | i thought that |
| 21:43:40 | zeekoe | the jpeg viewer is cool too |
| 21:44:05 | midk | yeah... bit long to decode, but usable |
| 21:44:13 | midk | video, jpeg.. wow this thing has come far |
| 21:44:23 | zeekoe | indeed |
| 21:44:50 | zeekoe | whee... the new version has got vu-meter when playing!!! |
| 21:45:36 | midk | um |
| 21:45:40 | midk | vu_meter.rock? |
| 21:46:11 | zeekoe | yeah, but that one is not shown automatically when playing |
| 21:46:18 | midk | what vu meter then.. |
| 21:46:21 | midk | the peak meters? |
| 21:46:29 | zeekoe | perhaps |
| 21:46:36 | zeekoe | the ones when you disable status bar |
| 21:46:44 | zeekoe | or did the old one have them too? |
| 21:46:45 | midk | do you have a custom wps yet? |
| 21:46:46 | midk | ahh |
| 21:46:48 | midk | make a wps |
| 21:46:49 | midk | it's fun |
| 21:46:52 | zeekoe | huh |
| 21:46:56 | midk | then you can have what you want where you want |
| 21:46:58 | zeekoe | i read stuff about wps |
| 21:47:01 | zeekoe | oh boy |
| 21:47:02 | midk | customize what it shows when playing a song |
| 21:47:03 | midk | like |
| 21:47:04 | midk | TRACK |
| 21:47:05 | zeekoe | rockbox really rocks |
| 21:47:06 | midk | TIME |
| 21:47:09 | midk | PEAK METER |
| 21:47:10 | midk | PROGRESS BAR |
| 21:47:11 | zeekoe | I WANT THAT!!! |
| 21:47:13 | midk | ID2 |
| 21:47:13 | zeekoe | whee |
| 21:47:14 | midk | ok |
| 21:47:15 | midk | id3* |
| 21:47:40 | midk | http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 21:47:47 | zeekoe | i just got my recorder one day, still have lot to learn and read :) |
| 21:48:00 | midk | yeah.. :) |
| 21:51:43 | midk | also have a look here. |
| 21:51:44 | midk | http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
| 21:52:29 | zeekoe | hey... that's cool too |
| 21:52:49 | midk | just some that some have made |
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| 21:57:02 | zeekoe | i like the jensarnold wps |
| 21:57:37 | midk | ya... just a suggestion for the font.. hebrew-bold |
| 21:58:09 | amiconn | zeekoe: That's me :) |
| 21:58:30 | zeekoe | heh |
| 21:58:38 | zeekoe | amiconn: good work! :P |
| 21:59:24 | midk | amiconn i was going to mention something to you... |
| 21:59:35 | midk | i forget now |
| 21:59:48 | midk | must not be important :D |
| 21:59:58 | zeekoe | well, thanks guys! |
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| 22:00:19 | zeekoe | i'm going to do something else |
| 22:00:43 | midk | k |
| 22:00:51 | zeekoe | this becomes cooler everytime :-D whee |
| 22:00:59 | midk | PICK HEBREW BOLD! |
| 22:01:01 | midk | YEAH WOOO |
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| 22:04:59 | | Join Christi-S [0] (~christi@client-858-p-2-lns.winn.dial.virgin.net) |
| 22:05:03 | Christi-S | Anyone got any idea what the DELETE option is for on the Player virtual keyboard? |
| 22:05:26 | midk | um.. |
| 22:05:29 | midk | like |
| 22:05:31 | midk | backspace? |
| 22:05:38 | Christi-S | No, that's BACKSPACE |
| 22:05:42 | Christi-S | Confusing, eh? |
| 22:05:51 | midk | oh.. |
| 22:05:57 | midk | well probably like delete on a regular keyboard them |
| 22:06:05 | midk | erases a letter in front of the cursor. |
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| 22:07:50 | Christi-S | Hmmm. |
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| 22:08:14 | _aLF | hi |
| 22:08:19 | midk | Christi-S, is that it? |
| 22:08:53 | Christi-S | Yeah. The simulator doesn't show a cursor, so I couldn't figure out how to navigate within the filename. |
| 22:09:00 | Christi-S | But sorted now. |
| 22:09:14 | _aLF | Is it possible to use two fonts in WPS ? or use another font that in others screens ? |
| 22:09:26 | amiconn | _aLF: no |
| 22:10:42 | _aLF | even system font and another ? |
| 22:11:21 | Christi-S | Hmm - no way to move about within the name on the recorder that I can find. |
| 22:12:16 | midk | christi_s - on+left/right |
| 22:12:36 | midk | christi-s* sorry. |
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| 22:17:42 | Christi-S | Don't be sorry. I'm trying to document it. That's why I'm asking. |
| 22:18:16 | midk | i meant sorry for spelling your name wrong. |
| 22:18:36 | midk | but the keys are "on" + "right" or "left". |
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| 22:26:03 | | Join zeekoe [0] (~rtwolf@ip51cc69f6.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) |
| 22:27:13 | zeekoe | there and back again... |
| 22:27:25 | midk | a nerd's tale. |
| 22:27:33 | zeekoe | :P indeed |
| 22:27:36 | zeekoe | hebrew bold you said? |
| 22:27:43 | midk | yes |
| 22:27:53 | midk | most like atadore.. but i like hebrew-bold |
| 22:27:55 | midk | OR atadore. |
| 22:28:50 | zeekoe | i just use the "recommended" one, rockfont-8 |
| 22:28:53 | zeekoe | i like it |
| 22:29:02 | midk | hmm, usuck. |
| 22:29:11 | midk | haha, rockfont-8 is the same really as hebrew bold. |
| 22:29:16 | midk | just bold is bolder. |
| 22:29:29 | midk | that means there is a bit longer to scroll a whole line of text, but.. |
| 22:29:32 | zeekoe | :) |
| 22:30:47 | zeekoe | with rockfont-8 scrolling is not needed |
| 22:31:03 | zeekoe | that's one reason why i like it |
| 22:31:11 | midk | heh, it's all right. |
| 22:31:16 | midk | *cries and walks away |
| 22:31:27 | zeekoe | :P |
| 22:32:03 | zeekoe | does one need to turn on the shock buffer to prevent the hard disk spinning up often? |
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| 22:37:16 | zeekoe | sorry |
| 22:37:25 | zeekoe | i wouldnt ask dumb questions again :) |
| 22:37:29 | zeekoe | already found it |
| 22:39:44 | midk | um |
| 22:39:49 | midk | you should leave it off... |
| 22:43:47 | zeekoe | ok |
| 22:45:25 | zeekoe | heh |
| 22:45:32 | zeekoe | the chip8 emulator is fun too |
| 22:46:34 | zeekoe | but the archos is a bit too fast :-) |
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| 22:51:39 | zeekoe | Christi-S: the DEL key just does backspace |
| 22:51:51 | * | Christi-S nods. |
| 22:51:52 | zeekoe | Christi-S: well, in the rename menu anyway |
| 22:51:59 | zeekoe | ok |
| 22:52:05 | Christi-S | Yeah. I noticed. |
| 22:52:18 | Christi-S | On the player it's different. (And bloody confusing actually.) |
| 22:52:37 | zeekoe | :? |
| 22:52:38 | zeekoe | weird |
| 22:53:27 | Christi-S | Maybe a bit, but you do the best you can. Doing a keyboard in 2x8 can't be easy. |
| 22:53:43 | zeekoe | nope, that's right |
| 22:53:48 | zeekoe | hmm |
| 22:53:52 | zeekoe | how did they do that? |
| 22:53:58 | zeekoe | do you have some screenshots? |
| 22:54:19 | zeekoe | or is that just what you're trying to do now? :) |
| 22:56:19 | zeekoe | hey... |
| 22:56:21 | zeekoe | how evil |
| 22:56:32 | zeekoe | the hard drive letter sticks at V:\ |
| 22:57:01 | zeekoe | it's the same now, three times in a row |
| 22:57:05 | zeekoe | :-P |
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| 23:01:19 | midk | YO |
| 23:01:22 | midk | haha |
| 23:01:25 | midk | three Vs? |
| 23:02:02 | amiconn | zeekoe: WinXP? |
| 23:02:14 | zeekoe | nah |
| 23:02:21 | zeekoe | all the old drive letters leave |
| 23:02:38 | zeekoe | but when replugged in, the new drive letter changes everytime |
| 23:02:41 | zeekoe | until V: |
| 23:05:27 | zeekoe | amiconn: yes, winxp |
| 23:05:48 | amiconn | This is one of the numerous Explorer bugs; |
| 23:05:56 | zeekoe | :-D |
| 23:06:04 | amiconn | if that occurs, close the explorer and reopen it |
| 23:06:26 | amiconn | if it still didn't go away, there might be a hung explorer process |
| 23:06:26 | zeekoe | if i then replugin my archos, it should be J again? |
| 23:06:53 | zeekoe | let's try |
| 23:07:37 | amiconn | No, though it should be always the same letter, and no duplicates should be displayed |
| 23:07:46 | zeekoe | ok |
| 23:07:55 | zeekoe | but there weren't any duplicates displayed |
| 23:08:03 | zeekoe | just the letter changed from time to time |
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| 23:13:28 | midk | yo amiconn woo. |
| 23:13:44 | amiconn_ | Grr, Router crashed |
| 23:14:07 | | Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) |
| 23:14:07 | | Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (~jens@pD95D1A9C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:15:03 | midk | good thinking. |
| 23:16:20 | | Part zeekoe |
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| 23:17:44 | zeekoe | what kind of router do you have? |
| 23:18:16 | midk | OH PICK ME |
| 23:18:18 | midk | PICK ME!! |
| 23:19:23 | amiconn | zeekoe: SMC 7004VBR |
| 23:19:42 | midk | ooh vbr |
| 23:19:51 | midk | wow, how true |
| 23:21:14 | zeekoe | midk: are you a donkey or so? |
| 23:21:38 | midk | oh yes |
| 23:21:43 | midk | *makes donky noises |
| 23:21:49 | zeekoe | you always say PICK ME |
| 23:21:56 | midk | no i? |
| 23:21:59 | midk | do i*? |
| 23:22:07 | zeekoe | midk: yes |
| 23:22:07 | midk | i only recall saying it once.. or twice |
| 23:22:12 | zeekoe | :P |
| 23:22:29 | zeekoe | amiconn: i could've told you that it would be bad... pick E-Tech routers ;) |
| 23:22:44 | midk | so um |
| 23:22:47 | midk | pick... me...? |
| 23:23:26 | amiconn | zeekoe: This occured for the first time ever here (have that router for over a year) |
| 23:23:54 | midk | amiconn: died, meaning, it came unplugged or what? |
| 23:24:00 | midk | crashed* |
| 23:24:18 | amiconn | It just died - no more network traffic |
| 23:24:31 | zeekoe | ok |
| 23:24:36 | midk | odd. |
| 23:25:04 | zeekoe | if you'd have E-Tech you would be mailing to their helpdesk now and I would be reading your email tomorrow :P |
| 23:25:28 | zeekoe | but i think their stuff is only available in holland |
| 23:25:35 | amiconn | Maybe it's related to the fact that we have a little thunderstorm here (but all my equipment is connected to an ups) |
| 23:25:41 | midk | cool... and you would say YO AHAHAHA I KNOW THIS GUY ON IRC!! |
| 23:27:01 | zeekoe | heh |
| 23:27:05 | zeekoe | yeah! |
| 23:27:14 | zeekoe | no! |
| 23:27:20 | zeekoe | i would say PICK ME PICK ME |
| 23:27:56 | midk | and.. amiconn would say "just help me" and you would say "yes sir" |
| 23:28:37 | midk | *zeekoe leans over to other nerd and whispers, "Hey, I know this guy from IRC, isn't that great? GHUHUHUH!!" |
| 23:29:15 | zeekoe | LOL |
| 23:32:56 | zeekoe | hmm... bed time here... |
| 23:33:01 | _aLF | is there a tool to help making WPS file ? |
| 23:33:03 | zeekoe | good night :) |
| 23:33:11 | midk | nite. |
| 23:33:15 | zeekoe | _aLF: just download standard WPS file :) |
| 23:33:24 | midk | _aLF, no.. |
| 23:33:40 | zeekoe | the jensarnold rules, isnt it, amiconn :) |
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| 23:34:27 | _aLF | this line doesn't work %t5%pc/%pt;t5%pp/%pe;%t2%fbkBit %?fv<avg|> , I don't know why |
| 23:36:18 | midk | t5? |
| 23:36:44 | _aLF | for "Alternating Sublines" |
| 23:37:20 | midk | ahh |
| 23:37:44 | midk | maybe because your %t5 is first in the line. |
| 23:37:52 | midk | it should be after the first.. |
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| 23:40:34 | midk|gone | seeya later. |
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