#rockbox 2004-07-16

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#rockbox log for 2004-07-16

00:00:12	zeekoe	the FM + v2 recorders already have LiIon
00:00:18	Smooth	yea
00:00:21	zeekoe	and JBMM20, AVxx0
00:00:32	Smooth	don't think Li-ion lasts as long as NiMH
00:00:36	zeekoe	that's why i like recorder
00:00:42	Smooth	yea
00:00:46	zeekoe	Li-ion lasts longer for same weight/size
00:00:54	zeekoe	that is, on one battery load
00:00:55	Smooth	get 10 hours on normal 2100Mah cells
00:01:10	zeekoe	i think overall LiIon dies earlier, in 2 years or so
00:01:18	Smooth	yea
00:01:22	zeekoe	long-term
00:01:24	Smooth	thats the problem that plagues the Ipod
00:02:01	Smooth	but i must admit, the ipod does look great
00:02:14	zeekoe	but it's really expensive
00:02:18	Smooth	yea
00:02:18	zeekoe	and no rockbox
00:02:27	Smooth	i think you are paying for the kudos of owning one
00:02:38	zeekoe	just mp3 (or aac, whatever) player
00:02:40	Smooth	slap an Archos badge on an Ipod and I bet it will be much cheaper
00:02:47	Smooth	mp3, aac, wav
00:02:48	zeekoe	:P
00:03:00		Nick Boofa`drawing is now known as kaboofa (~kaboofa@pcp03462569pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net)
00:03:02	zeekoe	kudos?
00:03:06	Smooth	aac sounds great
00:03:21	Smooth	means, privelige, prestige, status
00:03:23	Smooth	that sort of thing
00:03:28	zeekoe	ok
00:03:41	zeekoe	i saw a test once, it said mp3 @128k was better than aac
00:03:48	zeekoe	but only a really small bit better
00:03:53	zeekoe	and wma sucked
00:03:54	Smooth	ok
00:04:08	zeekoe	but that was at 128k
00:04:08	Smooth	AAC sounds better at lower bitrates than MP3
00:04:13	zeekoe	ok
00:04:19	zeekoe	well
00:04:24	kaboofa	but i use 224->320 vbr anyway
00:04:26	kaboofa	so heheeh
00:04:28	Smooth	most of my mp3s are all 192kbs
00:04:35	zeekoe	most of mine too
00:04:37	Smooth	yea
00:04:38	zeekoe	192
00:04:42	zeekoe	i already said bedtime 2 times...
00:04:42	kaboofa	pfft
00:04:44	kaboofa	wusses
00:04:46	Smooth	ok
00:04:51	kaboofa	zeekoe: what time zone are you in?
00:04:59	zeekoe	it's just friday here :)
00:05:04	Smooth	:)
00:05:07	kaboofa	it's uh..
00:05:09	kaboofa	thursday here
00:05:10	zeekoe	+2 including gmt
00:05:12	Smooth	its 23:05 here in UK
00:05:16	Smooth	gmt that is
00:05:19	zeekoe	i mean
00:05:21	zeekoe	including dst
00:05:24	zeekoe	so
00:05:28	zeekoe	cya tomorrow
00:05:29	kaboofa	18:05 here
00:05:30	kaboofa	g'nite
00:05:31	zeekoe	:P
00:05:33	zeekoe	nite
00:05:33	Smooth	nite nite
00:05:38	Smooth	nite
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02:09:21	dstar5	bye
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02:56:51	IcedDog	got a problem...I just upgraded my AJB hard drive from a 20GB to a 40GB...and I formatted the drive with Partition Magic to FAT32...but I when I try to boot up, I still get an error.."no valid FAT16/32" filesystem found
02:58:19	IcedDog	any suggestions?
02:58:33	midk	format with winxp..
02:58:35	midk	my computer.
02:59:33	IcedDog	tried to...the only option it gives me is to format with NTFS
02:59:37	StealtheR	w00t!
02:59:47	midk	hm...
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03:00:26	IcedDog	before I "formatted" with Partition Magic...the drive wasn't even showing in My Computer
03:00:48	midk	well try one more time
03:00:51	midk	don't let it prepare for the OS
03:00:57	midk	if that was an option
03:01:57	StealtheR	are you trying to format a regular IDE HD?
03:03:18	scott666	you cant format fat32 with xp
03:03:31	scott666	after a certain number of GB
03:03:42	midk	die, scott.
03:03:55	scott666	you die
03:03:57	scott666	bitch
03:04:13	scott666	IcedDog: got a win98 install you can use?
03:04:18	IcedDog	weird...it shows up in My Computer as a FAT32 HD
03:04:19	StealtheR	yes you can format fat32 with xp
03:04:32	DBUG	Enqueued KICK scott666
03:04:32	scott666	<scott666> after a certain number of GB
03:04:35	IcedDog	no Win98
03:04:44	StealtheR	Ice
03:04:51	StealtheR	under Partition Magic
03:04:54	StealtheR	right click on the drive
03:04:57	StealtheR	Format
03:05:01	StealtheR	select the format you want
03:05:06	StealtheR	FAT32
03:05:12	StealtheR	do a full clean format
03:05:21	StealtheR	which will erase everything to prevent recovery
03:05:27	StealtheR	you should be gewd after that man
03:05:38	IcedDog	did that too...I'll try it again
03:05:55	StealtheR	ok....
03:06:00	StealtheR	so it did format
03:06:03	StealtheR	but right after you reboot
03:06:06	IcedDog	hey, does it matter if it's a logical or primary partition?
03:06:08	StealtheR	the drive fawked up right?
03:06:27	StealtheR	well one drive must be master
03:06:31	StealtheR	the other one must be slave
03:06:38	StealtheR	so set the drive with OS as master
03:06:48	StealtheR	the one youre trying to use as back up data or watever is slave
03:07:21	scott666	StealtheR: hes formatting an archos HD
03:07:38	StealtheR	eh
03:07:40	StealtheR	gotcha
03:07:48	StealtheR	through usb rite
03:08:11	StealtheR	damn its so cold in my room...i better go turn down the ac
03:08:48	IcedDog	yeah USB...same thing...still doesn't work
03:10:03	StealtheR	try another usb cable
03:10:05	StealtheR	see what's up
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03:13:05	*	StealtheR - Disk Information: Total Disk Space: (.63GB/.62GB - .9% Free - Drives)
03:15:59	IcedDog	YES...it works!!!!
03:16:18	StealtheR	heeheh
03:16:19	StealtheR	:)
03:16:31	IcedDog	I reformatted it with as a primary partition...the logical wouldn't work
03:17:00	StealtheR	congrats
03:17:08	IcedDog	man...I feel much relief...now I just need to slap Rockbox on there
03:17:15	IcedDog	thanks for the help fellas
03:17:36	StealtheR	now what's your address?
03:17:47	IcedDog	you want my old drive?
03:17:48	IcedDog	lol
03:17:58	StealtheR	i'll send you the bill. i take cash/money order only :) no cc/check
03:18:02	IcedDog	haha
03:18:09	tpelliott	What size drive did you upgrade to?
03:18:20	IcedDog	from 20GB to 40GB
03:18:27	StealtheR	IceDog: i don't have a mp3 right now
03:18:45	IcedDog	no player?
03:18:48	StealtheR	:) i got here couple of days ago to ask for opions on a jukebox which i planned to buy
03:18:54	IcedDog	ahhh
03:18:56	tpelliott	I upgraded my V1 recorder to 60 (55) GB
03:18:59	StealtheR	but fellas in here told me it was a bad one
03:19:03	StealtheR	so i dropped :)
03:19:08	StealtheR	and station here since
03:19:12	StealtheR	hahaha my new irc home
03:19:29	IcedDog	Archos is nice can't beat having an open source community backing your product
03:19:43	IcedDog	BTW, those rubber bumpers were a bitch to maneuver around
03:20:07	StealtheR	yea
03:20:15	StealtheR	i was gonna buy the jukebox studio 20GB
03:20:22	StealtheR	but someone said it ain't gewd
03:20:31	tpelliott	I would love to find a good case for my recorder and leave off those bumpers.
03:20:55	IcedDog	what capacity HD did your v1 come with?
03:21:05	tpelliott	20GB
03:21:20	IcedDog	nice upgrade ;)
03:21:45	tpelliott	Is it true that those drives now go to 100GB?
03:22:09	StealtheR	:(
03:22:12	StealtheR	wish i got one
03:22:16	StealtheR	even its 5G
03:22:24	IcedDog	not sure
03:23:03	StealtheR	hey
03:23:06	IcedDog	when i took mine apart, a little piece of wire fell out...that was not reassuring
03:23:11	StealtheR	who knows lots about laptop in here?
03:23:19	tpelliott	I love the V1 recorder because you can change the batteries.
03:23:26	IcedDog	turns out it wasn't anything important...maybe some piece of loose solder
03:24:02	IcedDog	I like the fact that I don't have to take my batteries out to charge them
03:24:24	IcedDog	but the green batteries that came with the unit were terrible...they would get really hot when charging
03:24:38	IcedDog	thought my player was gonna melt
03:25:04	IcedDog	bought some fresh name brand chargeables, and it's been all good
03:25:26	tpelliott	Energizer 2300mah batteries are great, and cheap.
03:25:55	IcedDog	hmmm, might have to try those...using 1850 right now
03:26:05	StealtheR	use 2000mah
03:26:27	tpelliott	Same package, just updated capacity.
03:27:34	tpelliott	If you have 2 sets of batteries, charge time is irrelivent.
03:27:38	IcedDog	brb
03:27:48	Ctcp	Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
03:27:48	*	StealtheR echo "IceDog can you hear me now?";
03:28:24	tpelliott	Anyone try Linus' safe shutoff patch?
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03:43:23	IcedDog	nope
03:43:57	IcedDog	even with USB 2.0, it still takes a while to transfer 12GB of music ;)
03:46:42	StealtheR	yea
03:46:46	StealtheR	but be glad its 2.0
03:46:57	StealtheR	1.1 slower than grandmom
03:47:02	IcedDog	no shit lol
03:47:41	StealtheR	eeehehhe
03:54:55	*	dstar5 had a reocrder 20 with usb2, but no usb 2 card in computer
03:58:12	StealtheR	ahahahah
03:58:35	StealtheR	send to me
03:58:37	StealtheR	i got usb2
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04:11:34	IcedDog	laters
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04:22:38	dstar5	can someone help me?
04:26:31	scott666	perhaps
04:26:57	dstar5	yay scott666!
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05:15:58	StealtheR	eheheh
05:16:02	StealtheR	sup dstar5
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11:39:14	lImbus	LinusN: you make me flashing all week long :-)
11:41:07	LinusN	:-)
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12:15:21	midk	lImbus, at that rate your flash chip could wear out in a few hundred years.. :[
12:15:24	midk	*feels sad for lImbus
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12:35:07	webmind	:)
12:35:11	midk	goodbye linusn.
12:35:18	midk	that reminds me, i have to fix that clock bug.
12:35:23	lImbus	midk: I hope my children (and they) get better toys.
12:35:37	*	midk glances at clock - 3:35am - and decides, "ugh, tomorrow"
12:35:38	webmind	s/they/theirs/
12:35:50	midk	toys than..?
12:36:16	midk	better than*...
12:36:17	midk	?
12:45:56	lImbus	sorry for not beeing native speaker !?!
12:46:17	midk	hm? i mean, better toys than what
12:46:20	midk	?
12:46:52	lImbus	english is actually my fourth language (german, french, dutch, english. few words latin and russian do not count, eh ?)
12:46:59	lImbus	better toys that a archos.
12:47:02	midk	haha, i guess not.
12:47:10	lImbus	just for the case my flash-chips wears out.
12:47:14	midk	lImbus, the archos is a good toy if my click in installed.
12:47:25	midk	it takes 100,000 flashes for it to wear out.
12:47:29	lImbus	you really ought go to bed ;-)
12:47:32	midk	or was it 1,000,000
12:47:36	midk	it's only 3:45.. :p
12:47:37	lImbus	midk
12:47:37	lImbus	lImbus, at that rate your flash chip could wear out in a few hundred years.. :[
12:47:47	*	lImbus kills opera !
12:48:00	lImbus	midk said: lImbus, at that rate your flash chip could wear out in a few hundred years.. :[
12:48:06	midk	right.
12:48:11	midk	that means..
12:48:33	midk	well.. you get 100,000 flashes out of it
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12:50:46	midk	lImbus, assuming you flash once a day it will last you about 273 years,
12:51:14	midk	but that's not typically true, for one you archos will probably only last a few years - you'd have to flash constantly to get it to fail within the archos' lifetime
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13:04:12	midk	hi linusn
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13:04:58	LinusN	hi
13:05:54	LinusN	just stumbled over my USB cable and wrecked the USb port on the computer :-(
13:06:14	lImbus	uhaaa. following to german security rules, this may never have happened.
13:06:14	LinusN	but i got a new 2.0 PCI card from the office :-)
13:06:27	midk	woo!
13:06:45	midk	*spots LinusN stealing hardware late at night
13:06:47	LinusN	only took me an hour to fix
13:06:48	lImbus	ok, that wouldn't have happened in germany neither
13:07:06	lImbus	and a reboot, if I see right :-/
13:08:40	LinusN	no pci hotplug :-(
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14:23:15	[IDC]Dragon	LinusN: are you reading?
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14:26:58	midk\|sleep	nite.
14:29:47	*	midk\|sleep is away: SLEEEEPYING NERD!!
14:30:35	lImbus	midk\|sleep: it's now 6:30 for you, sleep well
14:30:45	LinusN	[IDC]Dragon: i'm here
14:32:30	[IDC]Dragon	hi there
14:33:15	[IDC]Dragon	I was wondering if it would simplify flashing if the initial file contains no Rockbox
14:33:29	[IDC]Dragon	but Archos
14:33:35	LinusN	maybe
14:34:02	[IDC]Dragon	so, basically, after initial flashing everything feels still the same
14:34:24	[IDC]Dragon	(a bit faster already, because of my boot loader)
14:34:45	LinusN	sounds fair
14:34:52	[IDC]Dragon	then the user can upgrade to the Rockbox version of his/her liking
14:35:10	[IDC]Dragon	no messing with 2 versions, incompatible plugins, etc.
14:35:53	[IDC]Dragon	and I don't have to maintain that image
14:36:26	LinusN	sounds good to me
14:36:53	LinusN	do you have to update the boot loader to recognize an empty rockbox image?
14:37:09	[IDC]Dragon	I don't think so
14:37:35	[IDC]Dragon	without second image, it should boot the first
14:37:45	LinusN	great
14:38:11	[IDC]Dragon	so I can even make a file with only Archos image, saves bandwidth
14:38:44	[IDC]Dragon	dunno if I ever tried, have to counter-check
14:40:19	[IDC]Dragon	If amiconn succeeds with running from ROM, the old topic of replacing the first image with a .ajz loader comes back
14:41:23	LinusN	is it really worth the hassle to run from ROM?
14:41:38	[IDC]Dragon	not for me 8MB user
14:42:12	LinusN	we gain 200kb or mp3 buffer
14:42:19	LinusN	of
14:42:24	[IDC]Dragon	yes
14:44:03	[IDC]Dragon	another view at it: it could be a good exercise for portability
14:44:11	LinusN	sure
14:45:07	[IDC]Dragon	the neo guys must have met this requirement
14:45:16	LinusN	yup
14:46:28	[IDC]Dragon	but they only run a fraction of rockbox anyway
14:46:52	LinusN	nowadays, yes
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15:04:28	jfab	hello
15:04:31	LinusN	hi
15:05:01	jfab	anyone familiar with jukebox hardware?
15:05:14	[IDC]Dragon	guess so
15:05:19	LinusN	i know my fair share
15:05:26	[IDC]Dragon	you bet
15:06:44	jfab	I accidentally dropped mine and when I go to turn it on the screen is blank with the back light on
15:06:54	LinusN	player or recorder?
15:07:04	jfab	player, sorry
15:07:12	LinusN	try this:
15:07:29	LinusN	push the display when you start it up
15:07:32	jfab	I took off the battery cover and when I take the battery out and push it back in, but not all the way it turns on no problem
15:08:16	LinusN	do you hear the disk spin up?
15:08:43	jfab	tried that didnt do anything different
15:08:52	[IDC]Dragon	is USB working?
15:09:14	jfab	after I remove, re-insert the battery to turn it on then turn it off it does the same thing
15:10:08	jfab	when I remove the battery it looks like there is a switch on one side not sure if that has anything to do with it
15:10:37	jfab	it only seems to turn on when the battery just barely touches the connections
15:10:51	[IDC]Dragon	there is no switch
15:11:08	[IDC]Dragon	but it turns on by default as soon as getting power
15:12:48	[IDC]Dragon	is the box generally working, with just the screen being blank?
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15:14:25	[IDC]Dragon	cu
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15:24:15	jfab	when you hold the power button down the backlight lights up and the disk spins and thats it
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15:24:31	jfab	and when you let go of the power button it stops and turns off
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17:12:53	wiler	my archos recorder seems to be powering off emediately after i turn it on, any recommendations?
17:13:05	wiler	evenw hen i plug it in
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17:36:29	wiler	[D
17:36:49	wiler	i think the hard disk seems to be powering off each time i turn on the unit
17:36:58	wiler	anyideas?
17:37:27	lImbus	hi wiler
17:37:38	lImbus	it may be some drained batteries
17:37:54	lImbus	have you any chance to charge the batteries outside of your unit ?
17:39:17	lImbus	it may be worn out contacts too. try to push the rubber bumpers together so the squeeze the batteries a small bit.
17:39:47	wiler	hmmm
17:40:04	wiler	well i have only had the unit for about a week, i do have an externel charger
17:40:33	wiler	according to the website the unit was new as well so
17:43:09	lImbus	what kind of unit btw ?
17:43:27	lImbus	recoder, recoderv2 or player (as well as studio )?
17:44:48	wiler	recorder
17:45:33	wiler	i did not flash the unit only copied the files on and then removed them because of osme problems, is there anyway to make sure that we are infact loading the archos fermware?
17:46:42	lImbus	well, if you did not flash, you did not change anything on the hardware, and if you deleted the archos.ajb (or whatever it's called) you can be pretty sure you "uninstalled rockbox"
17:47:21	lImbus	if it took approx 10 seconds to "boot" before it was ready, you can be sure you did not flash
17:47:34	wiler	:)
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18:10:15	lImbus	wiler: did that work ? or can you be happy without rockbox ?
18:10:47	wiler	well, it seems that i need to charge it
18:11:03	wiler	its hard to tell whats happening and no i will not be happy with out rockbox as i am one of your totally blind users
18:11:23	wiler	and archos just doesn't fit the bill
18:11:37	wiler	anyway i have it working on another recorder and its beautiful
18:12:25	wiler	i just want this one to work as well
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18:19:20	lImbus	so you take out the batts and charge them externally, right ?
18:19:54	wiler	yep thats what i am going to do
18:20:02	wiler	take forever but ahh well
18:20:38	wiler	did binaural recordings on my other recorder and they are absolutely beautiful
18:21:02	lImbus	nice. I like binaural
18:21:08	*	lImbus is gaming now
18:21:40	wiler	not sure what independant frames are though in the recording submenu, and i couldn't find anything about it in documentation
18:21:47	wiler	ahh k
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19:15:39	wiler	so what are independant frames?
19:16:24	midk	iirc, helps for editing but results in a bit larger filesizes.
19:17:31	zeekoe	can one cut mp3's with jukebox btw?
19:18:44	zeekoe	btw, if you want easy mp3 cutting without needind to reencode and stuff: get this
19:18:45	zeekoe	http://www.uni-frankfurt.de/~pesch/
19:18:49	zeekoe	mp3directcut
19:19:04	zeekoe	it roolz, and is just 91kb
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20:09:31	lImbus	lol. the bleeding edge compile status matrix reminds me of pong :->
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20:30:51	zeekoe	hey smooth!
20:31:20	zeekoe	i think it's not easy to put the statusbar on or off in different screens
20:31:31	zeekoe	but hey, i dont know that much aout rockbox
20:31:37	zeekoe	and have to drink tea now :)
20:31:47	midk	zeekoe, you can remove the statusbar() calls..
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21:01:23	Smooth	hey Zeekoe
21:01:38	Smooth	whats up dude?
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21:06:16	Smooth	mi
21:06:38	midk	assuming you meant "midk", 'yo'
21:06:55	Smooth	ok
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21:10:49	zeekoe	back again
21:10:57	Smooth	hi Zeeko
21:10:59	Smooth	e
21:11:02	zeekoe	hi
21:11:11	zeekoe	hm
21:11:17	zeekoe	anyone else using xchat here?
21:11:20	midk	me.
21:11:31	Smooth	using leafchat myself
21:11:37	midk	leafchat sucks.
21:11:45	zeekoe	FLAMEWAR! wheeeee
21:11:48	zeekoe	well
21:11:50	midk	yEAh.
21:12:06	zeekoe	how can i see the time before each message?
21:12:07	Smooth	leafchat does the job
21:12:11	zeekoe	do you know?
21:12:15	midk	zeekoe
21:12:19	midk	settings -> preferences
21:12:29	midk	check "timestamp text"
21:12:29	midk	and
21:12:34	midk	as for the timestamp format box put
21:12:36	midk	[%H:%M:%S]
21:12:48	zeekoe	hey
21:12:50	zeekoe	the check
21:13:05	zeekoe	whee
21:13:11	midk	and
21:13:16	midk	[%H:%M:%S]
21:13:23	zeekoe	yeah
21:13:28	zeekoe	it already was H:M
21:13:32	midk	right
21:13:34	midk	put H:M:S
21:13:39	zeekoe	i have, now
21:13:45	zeekoe	why?
21:13:45	Smooth	cool
21:14:18	zeekoe	what's cool
21:14:29	Smooth	english weather
21:14:31	Smooth	should be hot
21:14:40	zeekoe	same here in holland
21:14:41	Smooth	my archos gets very warm after constant use
21:14:44	Smooth	:)
21:14:44	zeekoe	so?
21:14:53	Smooth	the metal body must act as a heatsink
21:15:02	zeekoe	there's your weather
21:15:11	Smooth	lol
21:15:17	zeekoe	it's just the hard drive
21:15:36	zeekoe	in my notebook i have a 60GB, it's 50 degrees celcius at the moment
21:15:42	Smooth	lol
21:15:47	*	midk watches two 'uber-smart' enthusiasts argue amongst themselves
21:16:04	zeekoe	midk: keep watching, if you like
21:16:20	Smooth	yea but in the notebook the drive rotation is constant, in the archos it "spins down" on a regular basis
21:16:22	zeekoe	i want temperature monitoring in rockbox
21:16:27	Smooth	LOL
21:16:30	zeekoe	Smooth: you got a point
21:16:30	Smooth	good one
21:16:35	Smooth	outside temperature gauge
21:16:42	zeekoe	can't be that hard; other monitoring things are already there
21:17:05	Smooth	yea but you need hardware to physically detect the temperature
21:17:05	midk	zeekoe: how do you measure a temperature.. with no temperature measuring device?
21:17:13	midk	the archos doesn't have a thermometer inside..
21:17:23	Smooth	write a software thermometer
21:17:23	zeekoe	midk: the hard disk does
21:17:27	zeekoe	well, i think
21:17:30	midk	nope..
21:17:35	zeekoe	why not?
21:17:38	midk	it just doesn't
21:17:38	zeekoe	what a lame hard drive
21:17:44	zeekoe	booh
21:17:44	midk	why aren't you smart?
21:17:46	midk	you just aren't.
21:17:47	midk	:p
21:17:54	zeekoe	smart like S.M.A.R.T?
21:18:03	zeekoe	and i am smart
21:18:21	zeekoe	EVERY good harddisk has SMART, including temp sensor
21:18:23	Smooth	each to their own I suppose
21:18:24	midk	ah, it is apparent/
21:18:32	zeekoe	even some lame old 20 GB seagate thing i have
21:18:36	zeekoe	well, not lame
21:18:48	midk	you're right - i bow down to your huge brain
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21:18:54	midk\|move	bbl
21:18:56	Smooth	ok
21:19:09	Smooth	never trust anyone who's name starts with the letters mi
21:19:13	Smooth	:P
21:19:14	zeekoe	:P
21:19:21	midk\|move	whose, you mean.
21:19:25	zeekoe	yikes
21:19:38	zeekoe	mommy, my archos talks to me, what should i do?
21:22:35	Smooth	lol
21:22:41	Smooth	tell it to shut up zeekoe
21:22:49	Smooth	or turn the voice off in the menus somewhere
21:23:03	zeekoe	nah
21:23:05	zeekoe	i like it
21:23:06	zeekoe	:P
21:23:41	Smooth	lol
21:23:49	Smooth	you should be able to change the voice
21:23:57	Smooth	or even better, use your own vioce
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21:25:10	Smooth	mi*******n
21:25:46	zeekoe	hmm... i can use my own voice
21:25:52	zeekoe	but it uses lots of time
21:25:59	zeekoe	hm
21:26:02	*	zeekoe weird
21:26:22	zeekoe	i meant: it _takes_ lots of time to record all the stuff
21:26:29	Smooth	yea
21:26:54	zeekoe	and i'll almost never hear it, since it isn't being played when music is on
21:27:01	zeekoe	anyway, midk lies :)
21:27:02	zeekoe	http://www.almico.com/forumindex.php
21:27:22	zeekoe	the HITACHI_DK23DA-20 does support temperature reading
21:27:24	zeekoe	whee
21:28:17	Smooth	my archose uses the hitachi drive
21:28:24	zeekoe	mine too
21:28:26	zeekoe	so
21:28:39	zeekoe	where's the debug -> hard disk in the source? ;)
21:28:43	Smooth	some use the Fujitsu drive or even the early Toshiba drives
21:28:50	zeekoe	they do?
21:28:52	zeekoe	hm
21:28:53	Smooth	yea
21:29:03	Smooth	Early Archo's used the unreliable Toshiba drive
21:29:07	zeekoe	heh
21:29:13	zeekoe	unreliable?
21:29:24	Smooth	so they switched to the more reliable Hitachi and Fujisu drives
21:30:54	zeekoe	cool
21:31:00	zeekoe	so i have a good drive :)
21:31:08	zeekoe	what was bad about the toshiba's?
21:32:09	Smooth	had a habit of freezing and skipping
21:32:13	Smooth	during song playback
21:32:30	zeekoe	bad
21:32:50	Smooth	yea
21:36:26	zeekoe	hmm... i don't think i'm gonna change something in the hard disk stuff
21:36:35	zeekoe	i cant see where to change something
21:37:46	Smooth	yea
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21:42:51	zeekoe	sent message to the rockbox mailing list :)
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21:44:50	zeekoe	hm
21:44:56	kaboofa	har har
21:45:02	zeekoe	/exit doesn't do what i expected
21:45:05	kaboofa	ich bin apfel
21:45:05	zeekoe	..:P
21:45:09	zeekoe	ich bin peer
21:45:12	kaboofa	do you mean /quit ?
21:45:17	kaboofa	ich liebe apfels!
21:45:19	kaboofa	mmmm
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21:45:24	zeekoe	i did /exit in #rockboxtrivia
21:45:38	zeekoe	it closed the connection and i was unjoined from everything
21:45:40	kaboofa	I want to play video games
21:45:45	zeekoe	well
21:45:48	zeekoe	download them
21:45:49	zeekoe	har har
21:45:53	zeekoe	(polish humor)
21:46:00	kaboofa	Har har har, polish humor.
21:46:01	kaboofa	haha
21:46:01	kaboofa	nice
21:46:03	kaboofa	^5
21:46:13	zeekoe	what's ^5?
21:47:21	kaboofa	high five
21:47:28	kaboofa	something stupid american people do
21:47:30	kaboofa	now i play video game.
21:48:52	zeekoe	i know high five
21:48:58	zeekoe	just dunno the abbreviation
21:49:04	zeekoe	what video game?
21:49:08	zeekoe	rockblox?
21:49:46	kaboofa	drakengurd
21:49:52	kaboofa	*drakengard
21:50:25	zeekoe	hmm
21:50:28	zeekoe	dunno about that
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22:36:34	Smooth	Hello
22:36:36	Smooth	hi zeekoe
22:37:23	Smooth	i think that would be a great feature, an option to kill the status bar in the WPS and show it in the file browser
22:37:50	Smooth	what does everyone else think?
22:44:21	kaboofa	i eat babies.
22:44:58	Smooth	i wonder what mas the Gmini 220 uses
22:45:36	Bagder	the same as the recorder, iirc
22:46:03	Smooth	yea but the Gmini can play WMA and WAV, which the existing recorders can't
22:46:09	Bagder	aha
22:46:20	Bagder	does it even use a MAS then?
22:47:04	Smooth	it might
22:47:09	Smooth	maybe just a different one
22:48:12	Smooth	or even it may use a Strongarm processor
22:51:32	Smooth	on the flashed boxes is there a way to make the charging instantaneous when plugging the charger in like the archos fw?
22:52:24	scott666	no. there is currently a bug in the charging algorithm that makes rockbox wait 1 cycle before charging
22:52:45	Smooth	ok
22:53:09	Smooth	ive found a way to "trick" the archos on the flashed boxes to charge via the Archos fw if the batteries are stone-dead
22:53:31	scott666	yup, f1 is the work-around
22:53:49	Smooth	yea, you hit f1+on, then quickly stick the charger in before the screen appears
22:54:18	scott666	you can hold f1 and plug in the charger
22:54:24	Smooth	yea
22:54:34	scott666	no on pressing involved
22:54:39	Smooth	I wondered if you can "de-flash" the box if required
22:54:55	scott666	assuming you backed up your original flash content
22:55:01	Smooth	just wondered
22:55:16	scott666	but why would you do that??
22:55:39	Smooth	in case u needed to fix the archos under warrenty
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22:58:26	[IDC]Dragon	Smooth: yes, you can un.flash, see the documentation.
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23:00:08	Smooth	ok
23:00:12	Smooth	ill check it out
23:01:02	Smooth	Seems like all the new Archos devices have their fw on a flash chip rather than the HD
23:01:38	[IDC]Dragon	they all have a firmware, yes
23:01:50	kaboofa	except one that isn't flashable
23:01:52	kaboofa	the uh
23:01:56	[IDC]Dragon	(have to, who should read the disk?)
23:01:58	kaboofa	generic archos one
23:02:06	kaboofa	wait
23:02:07	kaboofa	fuck
23:02:10	kaboofa	disregard all my text
23:02:15	[IDC]Dragon	ok
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23:03:11	Smooth	what does Screendump do in Debug?
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23:04:10	[IDC]Dragon	it creates a screen dump bmp each time you plug USB
23:05:03	BC	Anyone interested in a keypad driver bug?
23:05:46	Smooth	ok
23:05:59	[IDC]Dragon	patch tracker is...
23:06:35	BC	it was just an informal thing
23:07:03	BC	Smooth, a new face ...hi
23:07:07	Smooth	ive enabled screendump wheres the bmps?
23:07:45	[IDC]Dragon	plug the usb where you want to create one
23:08:07	[IDC]Dragon	then it doesn't go into USB mode, but creates a file on disk.
23:08:35	[IDC]Dragon	This is a developer feature, for documentation.
23:08:41	Smooth	ok
23:08:46	Smooth	the files are on the root of the HD?
23:08:59	[IDC]Dragon	guess so, dunno
23:09:20	Smooth	its alright i can see them
23:09:44	Smooth	very very clever
23:09:46	Smooth	:)
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23:13:58	lodesi	hi
23:14:03	BC	hi
23:14:50	lodesi	does anyone know the size limitation for a plugin in rockbox?
23:14:55	BC	32k
23:15:01	BC	32768bytes
23:15:41	lodesi	i'm not talking about the size of the buffer we use from a plugin
23:15:48	BC	the latest gcc compiler is pretty good if you are getting close - gave me about 8% size reduction
23:15:49	lodesi	but about the plugin itself :)
23:15:56	Bagder	lodesi: 32k
23:16:24	lodesi	and the clock.rock ?
23:16:39	lodesi	75408 byte
23:16:48	BC	that'll be the sim build at a guess?
23:17:00	lodesi	mh.. yes
23:17:08	Bagder	the sim has no limit
23:17:48	Bagder	it wouldn't make sense anyway
23:17:49	lodesi	bagder: that's a good news
23:18:23	lodesi	i thaught it could be my problem since my plugin is about 200k
23:18:58	BC	do a make in the target dir and look at the size of the .rock
23:19:10	BC	if you are using my devkit, "dir" will help there
23:19:23	BC	(does ls -l)
23:19:47	lodesi	bc: i did 'ls -l'
23:20:25	BC	i have dir.sh for bash and ls.bat for dos - lol
23:21:08	lodesi	well, but i'm not using your devkit :)
23:21:35	BC	hee hee
23:22:11	lodesi	so if the size doesn't matter ;), my problem are with the directory fonction
23:22:40	BC	size will matter when you do a target build
23:23:00	lodesi	no problem to compile, but i get segfault on them (unresolved symbols...)
23:23:06	BC	ah
23:23:13	lodesi	bc: size will matter later :)
23:24:41	lodesi	so do you have any idea?
23:25:30	BC	does it segfault in compile or execution?
23:25:41	lodesi	execution
23:25:44	Bagder	unresolved symbols?
23:25:48	lodesi	yes
23:25:53	Bagder	then you're using functions rockbox doesn't provide
23:26:08	lodesi	but they are in the plugin api
23:26:13	BC	i dont understand how you could get that error at execution
23:26:27	Bagder	lodesi: then access them with rb->XXXX() style
23:26:30	lodesi	i neither understand :)
23:26:38	Bagder	then you don't get unresolved symbols
23:26:54	BC	where does the error display?
23:27:03	Bagder	lodesi: you're using linux, don't you?
23:27:26	lodesi	bagder:yes
23:27:40	lodesi	yes with the rb-> i have compilation problems
23:27:54	Bagder	then sort them out
23:28:04	lodesi	structure has no member named `MYDIR'
23:28:18	BC	are you writing libs?
23:28:28	lodesi	at the declaration of a rb->DIR type variable
23:28:38	lodesi	bc: trying to port sarien
23:29:01	BC	lodesi: are you writing main/plugin/lib code?
23:29:10	lodesi	plugin
23:29:34	BC	okay, cos that is one of the long-standing bugs with lib development
23:29:38	lodesi	with latest cvs source of course :)
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23:30:28	BC	test
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23:30:47	Bagder	lodesi: but you can build all the existing plugins?
23:30:56	Bagder	so why is DIR a problem in your?
23:31:38	lodesi	badger: yes but no plugin already use dir fonctions
23:31:48	wiler	i plan on upgrading the drive in my recorder are the instructions still appropriate for that as well?
23:33:07	BC	lodesi: maybe you have hit the same problem as the libplugin code - take a look at my mail "more libplugin blues" I wouldn't wonder if the work-around may help you?
23:34:20	Bagder	ok, I understand the problem now
23:36:42	Bagder	there's a somewhat silly work-around possible
23:36:52	Bagder	like this: dir = (rb->opendir)("/");
23:37:57	lodesi	bagder:still the same error
23:38:03	Bagder	what error?
23:38:20	lodesi	structure has no member named 'MYDIR'
23:38:30	Bagder	on what line?
23:38:46	lodesi	on line 2609 from my plugin :)
23:38:52	Bagder	show me the line
23:39:05	lodesi	(rb->DIR) *d;
23:39:17	Bagder	uh?
23:39:26	Bagder	what'd that supposed to do?
23:39:30	Bagder	what's
23:39:40	lodesi	it's declaration , no?
23:39:54	Bagder	no, it should be just "DIR *d"
23:41:20	lodesi	compilation is ok now
23:41:35	lodesi	but i still ahve:
23:41:37	lodesi	undefined symbol: sim_opendir
23:42:32	lodesi	during the execution
23:43:24	Bagder	that function is in uisimulator/common/io.c
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23:50:30	lodesi	bagder:ok, thanks, i'll continue to search
23:50:43	lodesi	bye
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