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#rockbox log for 2004-07-27

00:00:06Tunsnaski was searching for cure
00:00:24LinusNhow big is the playlist?
00:00:55amiconnLinusN: I found a module where the size difference is quite significant (>15 %) - rolo.c. I'll look into the disassembly now
00:02:34Tunsnaskyou mean how many songs.... or what?
00:03:09Tunsnaski dont know....
00:04:20LinusNdid it ever stop searching?
00:04:31LinusNthe led blinks?
00:04:49Tunsnaski think do
00:05:10LinusNit would be really helpful if you sent me the .m3u file
00:05:25 Quit zeekoe ("aAA44AArrgGGHhh... my computer just did something _really_ REALLY wrong... cu later")
00:05:30LinusNlinus at haxx dot se
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00:06:58zeekoepressed the close button...
00:09:45zeekoehm... converting videos takes quite some time
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00:16:20zeekoebtw, is it normal i get "scanlines" while displaying rvf?
00:16:47amiconnLinusN: rolo.c is really an interesting case. The biggest function in that (rolo_load() ) does a number of checks which all result in similar action (display some error text, the return from the function with -1).
00:17:45amiconnLinusN: Gcc 3.3.1 optimizes that in a way that all rolo_error("blabla"); return -1; sequences are handled by the same code fragment, while gcc 3.4.1 does not.
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00:19:01amiconnIt seems that either gcc 3.4.1 doesn't understand an optimization flag anymore that was understood by gcc 3.3.1, it interprets some flag differently, or it doesn't optimize as much by itself
00:20:41amiconnNow we "only" have to find out which of these possible reasons is the correct one :-/
00:21:31amiconnImho gcc 3.3.1 uses a real clever optimization here, as this even doesn't hit performance
00:31:58amiconnThere aren't many optimization flags used by rockbox...
00:36:28LinusN-fthread-jumps looks interesting
00:37:08amiconn-funit-at-a-time (or using -O2) does look interesting as well
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00:49:03zeekoewhoops... battery life is <2 hours when continually using hard disk, i guess
00:50:06dstar5don't doubt...
00:50:13midkplug, it, in.
00:50:44zeekoei dont have an inplug
00:51:21zeekoethe guy i bought it from had thrown away the adapter, since it was of no use anyway
00:52:19amiconnLinusN: Just trying to compile binutil 2.15 and gcc 3.4.1 on cygwin - is it normal that compiling binutils throws some warnings?
00:52:21zeekoei still have to find myself a plug that fits into the archos
00:54:19zeekoedstar5: you had to tell me about some guy
00:54:41uskioff-topic: anyone knows the syntax for the unix AT command ?
00:54:42dstar5i did?
00:55:00dstar5zeekoe, what guy?
00:55:02zeekoedstar5: his name was in the rockbox-trivia, and started with a t, iirc
00:55:25dstar5ahh track
00:55:38dstar5LinusN can tell you all about him :)
00:57:22zeekoei already found some reading matter :)
00:57:53dstar5i bet there is lots of nice reading on him
00:58:06dstar5ill find some of his work... hol don
00:58:22LinusNamiconn: yes, warnings are common
00:59:00zeekoewas track worse than me?
01:00:01dstar5lol much worse
01:00:11dstar5LinusN, still have that letter track sent you?
01:01:44dstar5humm has tracks feature requests been totaly deleted?
01:03:05zeekoewhat did he request?
01:03:13midkstupid stuff.
01:03:18midk"make the lcd touchscreen"
01:03:22midk"sdd asdf"
01:03:28dstar5tea maker.. sdd.. make mike holden shut up...
01:03:30midk"make the archos into a tea maker"
01:03:49zeekoewhat's ssd asdf?
01:03:50amiconnLinusN: While building binutils:
01:03:51amiconnconfigure: error: cannot find output from lex; giving up
01:03:51amiconnmake: *** [configure-ld] Error 1
01:03:54midkuh, random text.
01:03:56zeekoe"<track> but where do you source the 9.5mm drives from?"
01:04:29midkhere you go, zeekoe.
01:04:37dstar5amiconn, you need bison i think
01:05:02zeekoewhat's the irc nick of mike holden?
01:06:54zeekoeok.. think i never seen him around here
01:07:58midkno, but ever since he replied to track's idiotic requests saying it was a bit unfeasible track's been after him
01:08:39dstar5it was funny to!
01:09:34*zeekoe reading...
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01:12:28midkhaha, that one's good
01:13:04dstar5remember mikeh0lden :)
01:13:12midkthat just wasn't funny.
01:13:15zeekoewhat's that?
01:13:47midkRANDOM TEXT.
01:14:23dstar5thats the best one
01:14:32midki submitted that.
01:14:42midkbut that's the one with the mikeh0lden reply
01:14:55midkand i'd like to point out that it's about my only bogus request.
01:15:04midkhe made me.
01:15:07midkit was his idea
01:15:08*midk points
01:15:11zeekoeyou evil midk
01:15:16midkdie zeeker.
01:15:46zeekoeoh no....
01:15:59zeekoei want that too
01:16:20midki could probably code it actually
01:16:26midkbut no point.
01:17:14midkusing a sine table you could also probably do pincushion rather easily.
01:17:31zeekoewhat does pincushion do?
01:18:03zeekoenever mind
01:18:04midksqueezes in at the center, pushes out at the top and bottom
01:18:05midktry it
01:18:07zeekoegoogle told me
01:18:37zeekoei cant try
01:18:54zeekoeat least, i think i cant
01:19:31*zeekoe having laptop
01:20:37midkI R t3H HAVEING A LAPTOP~!!!1. HR U DO TH 'PinhCUSIN"!?
01:21:59zeekoe4nd h0W 4B0uT d3g4Us5?
01:22:43dstar5lcd's have no degauss :(
01:23:11dstar5midk, stfu
01:23:25zeekoewhat's HUNY?
01:23:52midkDSTR5 RU GIRL
01:24:41dstar5midk, what is your porblem?
01:24:53dstar5to retarded to speak?
01:25:52zeekoeor this translator:
01:26:43dstar5i know what it is...
01:26:56dstar5not that i am stuiped and have taken the time to read all that shit
01:28:52zeekoemidk: do you still have track's message?
01:29:00midkhe didn't send me one.
01:29:27zeekoe<midknight2k3> he sent me the same type thing
01:29:39midki deleted it?
01:30:02zeekoethat were just some words needing not to be repeated
01:30:22zeekoe ->22.38.44
01:31:09midki was going to say to you when i pasted, check that exact time
01:31:10midkbut. yeah.
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01:35:42midkwho saw my photoshop skills
01:35:52track_i didnt
01:35:53track_show me
01:36:51track_i did some stuff too
01:37:15midkhm, my best one
01:37:25midkoriginal image:
01:37:31midkwhat i came up with:
01:37:36dstar5ohh no not his stuiped pics
01:37:54midki am so "stuiped"
01:38:47dstar5well they do get old...
01:38:54midkto you
01:38:56midkhe's never seen them.
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01:39:16midkthanks for showing me the correct spelling of "stupid" - i know my english isn't very good.
01:39:56zeekoethere are more people who say stuiped:
01:40:49midkbut apparently even more who spell it "stupid"
01:40:52midkwhat idiots.
01:41:31midkgo dids.
01:42:06dstar5me feel special
01:42:45midkno, "i feel special"
01:43:01midklesson one: first person isn't third person.
01:43:19LinusNtime to sleep, cu around guys
01:43:23midklater linus
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01:43:38dstar5midk, stop being a little dick.
01:43:57midk...are you implying i should be a big dick instead?
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01:44:54midkhm, he's a bit to sensitive
01:45:15amiconnGrmpf, building binutils takes ages
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01:45:45dstar501.44.54 # <midk> hm, he's a bit to sensitive
01:45:46dstar501.45.11 # <midk> too*
01:45:53dstar5you messed up.
01:45:59midki had to run and grab the phone
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01:46:10midkhm, nice.
01:46:31zeekoemidk: your clock is wrong
01:46:38midkzeekoe, probably.
01:46:43midkzeekoe, i'm working on it.
01:46:49zeekoeamiconn: your clock is wrong too
01:46:54zeekoeno, the computer clock
01:47:00amiconnzeekoe: huh?
01:47:14midkzeekoe, ?
01:47:24zeekoeamiconn: your computer clock is 9 seconds in the future
01:47:36zeekoemidk: your computer clock is 43 seconds in the future
01:47:46midk.. good one.
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01:48:31midk<midknight2k3> DIE DIE DIE
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01:50:11zeekoei have my time synced every 15 minutes
01:50:24zeekoei'll do a feature request for rockbox
01:50:43midki've got to get off irc for a while.
01:52:44amiconnzeekoe: By default windows does it once a week, which is a bit long an interval of course. Imho doing it once or twice a day should yield sufficient precisions
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01:55:15zeekoeamiconn_: can windows do it too?
01:56:20amiconn_(at least XP)
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01:56:56zeekoei'm using some other program which does it every 15 minutes :)
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02:00:47zeekoei think i'm going to sleep to
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02:01:02zeekoehave to work 10 hours from now
02:04:40amiconnJust changed the synchronization interval to 12 hours
02:04:46amiconnnite zeekoe
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04:04:07tpelliottAnyone have a wierd button problem on a V1 recorder where you suddenly have 4 play buttons and the up button is the only direction button that still does what it's supposed to?
04:04:48tpelliottThat happened to me but it works ok now.
04:07:58dstar5where did it occur?
04:08:08dstar5and what was going on? playing a song etc...
04:08:31tpelliottTrying to access a song.
04:09:42dstar5i don't think anything changed latly would cause it
04:10:11dstar5maybe just a low battery issue... i have had weird things happen when batteries are low
04:10:33tpelliottI've had the up arrow go into setup before.
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04:12:09tpelliottAlso. Do you know where to get replacements for those tiny screwes at the top and bottom? I'm missing one but it does not seem to be a problem.
04:12:54tpelliottOne was hard to get in amd I stripped the head. I got it out though.
04:13:00dstar5humm maybe
04:13:36tpelliottThey almost look like screwes for glasses. Longer maybe.
04:14:03dstar5you should email the guys at
04:14:14dstar5i bet they could get you some free or very low price
04:14:39tpelliottok. I may take the screw to a repair shop first to see if they can match it.
04:15:16dstar5good luck :)
04:15:18tpelliottIt would be hard to describe in an email unless they have an Archos they can reference.
04:16:08dstar5well newmp3tech only works with archos units
04:16:18dstar5just tell them the v1 rec, and they will know
04:16:47tpelliottok. I've seen that site before. They sell HD upgrades.
04:17:36tpelliottI upgraded to a 60GB drive myself about a year ago. It's been working great for almost 2 years.
04:18:29dstar5ill have a v1 rec 15 tomorow hopefully :)
04:18:32dstar5got it off ebay
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04:19:13tpelliottI can't believe there's not a single HD MP3 player in production now that uses standard batteries.
04:20:00dstar5that does suck :( i think it is marketing people see lilon adn automaticly think better
04:20:55tpelliottThey sell more new units when the battery dies.
04:21:55tpelliottAre you getting the Vi recorder as a backup?
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04:24:15dstar5no my old recorder died
04:24:45scott666tpelliott: it's because LiIon batteries are better in almost every way (that way being non-standard)
04:24:55dstar5but it kinda was a decent deal, i was able to sell the 20 gb drive out of my old recorder
04:25:01scott666smaller, lighter, longer life...
04:25:32dstar5then why doo they not make a standard liION cell?
04:28:32scott666good question
04:28:48scott666probably because they have to fit in the amount of space available in the player
04:29:21dstar5ohh i figured it out <tpelliott> They sell more new units when the battery dies. and then they have to get a new player because no one can replace the battery themself
04:30:45scott666i alwasy thought 'life of the unit' claims for batteries were funny
04:30:54scott666cause when the battery dies, its life is over
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04:32:28tpelliottI have a minidisc player that uses a li-ion "gumstick" battery that you can easily replace.
04:32:45dstar5anyone listen to faithless?
04:33:17tpelliottWho is faithless?
04:33:45dstar5really good
04:34:06dstar5its uk band
04:34:17tpelliottCool. Do you listen to the Beatles?
04:34:44dstar5i have 4 albums
04:35:15tpelliottThey are my favorite. I like some new stuff too but mostly older music.
04:35:22dstar5i think you can listen to some of their music on the site
04:35:38dstar5tpelliott: cool are you a pink floyd fan?
04:36:00tpelliottNo a huge fan but I have a few CDs.
04:36:08dstar5if you listen to the music on site, go to album reverace
04:36:35tpelliottWhat type of music is on your Archos?
04:36:48dstar5uhh nothing now
04:36:57dstar5but i have lots of music
04:37:01tpelliottIt's still on the hard drive.
04:37:02dstar5lots of styles
04:37:11dstar5well... i sold the drive...
04:37:21dstar5my new unit should be here tomorrow
04:37:29tpelliottAre you going to upgrade the hard drive?
04:37:51dstar5i would but i want to stay cheap for a bit
04:38:19tpelliottYou can upgrade later. How much did you pay for the unit?
04:38:36dstar5$100 a bit more than i wanted to pay...
04:39:31tpelliottHave you ever found them on ebay with a dead hard drive or without one?
04:40:06dstar5yes i have seen one once i have seen lots of av's without hds though
04:40:33tpelliottthe old one with the small screen?
04:40:46dstar5no the new 300's
04:41:26tpelliottI wander why?
04:41:36dstar5who knows
04:42:01tpelliottI know it's cheaper to buy a 4 gig micro drive in an mp3 player.
04:42:15dstar5heh i did hear about that
04:42:53dstar5wtf why is winamp not showing all my music
04:43:52dstar5humm the library needed to be rescaned
04:44:27tpelliottWhat mp3 player would you get if you couldn't get a V1 Archos?
04:44:41tpelliottAnd you had more cash?
04:44:46midka v2 archos?
04:45:03tpelliottI like the av320 too.
04:45:08dstar5av500 :)
04:45:16midkthere is no 500
04:45:19midkthere is however a 400
04:45:26dstar5ahh whatever
04:45:40midkthis reminds me - dunce does mean 'stupid person', you can check at
04:45:50tpelliottI'm curious about the multimedia units that will run Windows
04:46:07dstar5i dont know if something is wrong with me but for some reason i keep seeing purple text on my computer in random places
04:47:59dstar5tpelliott: got any the who?
04:50:21tpelliottI love the Who. I've got a bunch.
04:51:11tpelliottLive At Leeds is killer so it Who's Next and Tommy.
04:51:42dstar5i have Live at Leads
04:51:50dstar5and Who's Next
04:51:55dstar5and dont have TOmmy
04:52:07dstar5i didnot really like WHo's Nexy though
04:52:33tpelliottI just burned a CD with so may Beatles mp3's I had to overburn a few bites.
04:53:00dstar5what do you rip with and what quality?
04:53:06tpelliottI have an mp3 CD boombox at work. I don't tant to take my Archos there.
04:54:05tpelliottEasy CD-DA Lame 192 CBR or 96/mono
04:54:26tpelliottWhat do you rip at?
04:54:55dstar5same lame 192 cbr, but i never rip in mono
04:55:18tpelliottI only do that if the source is mono.
04:56:09tpelliottI have a bunch of old time radio on my Archos too.
04:57:07tpelliottI downloaded Clinton's autobiography for curiosity.
04:59:08tpelliottOverburn works fine.
05:01:13dstar5the chech and chong up in smoke soundtrack is so funny
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05:02:29tpelliottI'm going to bed.
05:03:20dstar5see you
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07:07:05midkhi LinusN
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07:23:58LinusNhi midk
07:24:23guitarguy19hey i just got a studio 20 and i installed rockbox..but now it says "dir buffer is full" everytime i start it up
07:25:24LinusNrockbox 2.2 has a bug
07:25:30guitarguy19k thanks
07:25:39LinusNeither read the link above or upgrade to a daily build
07:28:11guitarguy19ok im getting a daily build, thanks
07:28:20guitarguy19will i need to change the max files in a folder setting?
07:28:39LinusNnot if you upgrade
07:28:43guitarguy19o ok
07:31:00guitarguy19hmm im getting the same error, and 399 files are showing up..instead of 1200
07:31:18guitarguy19(sry this is for my friend)
07:31:48LinusNthis is because the limit is set to 400 by default
07:32:03LinusNwho in their right mind puts 1200 files in the same dir?
07:32:08guitarguy19lol idk
07:32:13guitarguy19how do i change it
07:33:16midkLinusN, iirc the playlist setting is from 1000-20000?
07:33:36LinusNmenu->general settings->system->limits->max files in dir browser
07:33:56LinusNmidk: yes
07:34:13midkthere should be a "0" option, for disabling playlists.
07:34:23LinusNguitarguy19: select the number you want and press play
07:34:36guitarguy19ok thanks a ton
07:34:38LinusNthen play a song, stop it, and reboot
07:34:47LinusNmidk: you can't disable playlists
07:34:55LinusNeverything is playlists
07:35:03midkhm, "1" then
07:35:12LinusNeven if you just play a file, a temporary playlist is created for you
07:35:24midkactually, forget i said it.
07:35:29LinusNas always :-)
07:37:47guitarguy19thanks guys, im out
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09:20:59amiconnhi LinusN
09:33:42amiconnI finally succeeded in building binutils 2.15 and gcc 3.4.1
09:34:04amiconnI had to install bison and flex for it to work
09:34:42amiconnCompilation took around 50 minutes for both, not including my failed attempts
09:37:45amiconnSh-elf-gcc 3.3.1 from Eric Lassauge's cygwin package is compiled with −−disable-nls, while your Howto doesn't include that
09:37:55amiconnI wonder if this would make any difference
09:39:24LinusNhmm, i don't think so
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09:43:04amiconnLinusN: Did you ever try to compile Rockbox with higher optimization levels than -O ?
09:43:13LinusNi don't think so
09:46:18amiconnI think I'll try that in the evening, with different gcc versions
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10:25:42lImbusHi LinusN, I have some remorse. I see you working all the time and I profit on than. I could try to help you too.
10:25:46lImbusI *want*
10:29:31LinusNwhat would you want to do?
10:30:27lImbusmhmm. I think bugfixing is important. (and less creative). If you have a clear assumption where the problem is located, you can point me on and I'll try it.
10:31:44LinusNpick your favourite in the bug tracker
10:31:59lImbusthen I send the patch to you ?
10:32:08LinusNor to the patch tracker
10:32:56lImbusnaaa. I don't like to implement feature if I can be pretty sure somebody else has a clear idea for the solution. I lack on creativity sometimes
10:33:15lImbus...implement a feature...
10:34:14LinusNthe patch tracker is for bug fixes too
10:34:59lImbusof course. was confounding with feature request list.
10:35:20lImbuswhan can I so with patch tracker items ? to polish them ? I got no cvs access.
10:36:10lImbusI mean. If there is a bugfix in the patch tracker, what can I help you on ?
10:36:51LinusNyou could take a look at A-B repeat
10:37:12LinusNi don't like it as it is today, but you can try to work out a good UI for it
10:37:44lImbusyeah, I've seen two feature requests for it. so I should find the patch. I'll work on that. ok
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12:45:23lImbusLinusN: forgot my rockbox at home. :-/
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12:59:13LinusNlImbus: :-)
12:59:25LinusNthat's a deadly sin
13:00:27c0uttahey linus, is chkdsk /f still the best way to check my jukebox drive ?
13:06:31midkYAY, i'm going to put some, like, graphics in my clock, yay. graphics for.. well.. GRAPHICS.
13:06:43LinusNc0utta: guess so
13:07:22c0uttahas anyone used spinrite before connected by usb ?
13:07:33LinusNwhat's that?
13:10:27midkLinusN, i'm trying your cross-compiler instructions now
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13:14:29c0uttaok. is it possible to boot up a pc with a dos boot disk and still access the drive via usb ?
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13:17:44[IDC]Dragonhello uski , do you read?
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14:12:25midkLinusN, I completed installing the cross compiler
14:12:27midknow to test it
14:12:37midkby the way, gdb was completely optional, right?
14:14:54midklooking great. works!
14:15:12midkwow. it built in about 20 seconds
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14:18:31midk|sleepnite all.
14:19:34*midk|sleep is away: sleeping
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14:48:39lImbusc0utta: don't think so. tryed that a while ago and failed. since then I use knoppix (a live cd-debian linux) that boots from cd and gives usb as well as ntfs-support
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16:11:01LinusNi'm in trouble
16:11:25LinusNi just made a hit'n'run commit to cvs, only because i have to go home
16:11:38LinusNi'll finish it up when i get home
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16:31:24dstar5god i hate pdf's
16:31:50dstar5maybrei just have bad luck, but they always freez my borwser
16:32:03dstar5and theyare huge files... kinda hard on a modem
16:32:20dstar5why not just use.... html?
16:33:37lImbusbecause it would fit to the size of your monitor. must be a drm issue.
16:34:21dstar5but ANYONE that wants to edit a pdf can do it if they really want to
16:35:43dstar5and also.. i have never had a problem with monitor sizes and viewing html
16:39:35lImbusin fact, pdf is more than only docreading. it's pretty nice for forms.
16:40:04dstar5that it is kinda good for...
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17:46:26scott666_gromit``: hey
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17:46:37scott666whats up?
17:48:03gromit``holidays tomorrow :)
17:48:06gromit``beach etc :)
17:48:12gromit``good :)
17:49:11scott666i just got out of summer school :-)
17:50:20gromit``what is it ?
17:50:36gromit``a place to learn or to chase the girls ?
17:50:40scott666re-takeing a class because i failed it in normal school
17:50:48gromit``oh okay :)
17:50:50scott666little of both
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18:22:00sethiansany speaks spanish ?
18:23:29gromit``un poco
18:24:09sethiansholas gromit
18:24:37sethianstengo un problema.. se me rompio /salio la entrada de alimentación... para recargar las pilas... de mi mp3 recorder..
18:27:17scott666im supprised how much of that i understood, considering i dont speak spanish
18:27:53gromit``pero no conozco ninguna cosa a propocito del recorder :)
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18:50:13dstar5what does propocito mean?
18:54:10dstar5what does propocito mean?
18:54:24dstar5¿Qué el propocito significa?
18:58:27dstar5Time to go. Bye! Adiós!
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18:59:58gromit``oh too late :/
19:02:19sethianssee ya !!!
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20:53:02amiconnLinusN: Compiling rockbox with -O2 and both gcc 3.3.1 and 3.4.1 already had 2 interesting results
20:53:52LinusN"interesting" sounds like bad news :-)
20:53:59amiconn(1) gcc 3.3.1 compiles without errors, binary size almost equal to compiling with -O
20:55:29amiconn(2) gcc 3.4.1 compiles Rockbox itself, but binary size is even larger than with -O, and it produces an assembler error (pcrel too far) while trying to compile the plugin lib
20:56:32LinusNok so it inlines a little too much then
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21:00:27Smoothu could have "Standby" and "Restart" to compliment "Shutdown"
21:00:47amiconnSmooth: You forgot "Hibernate" ;-)
21:01:04Smoothoh yea, and "Hibernate" as well
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21:05:28scott666whats the difference between standby and hibernate?
21:06:37SmoothStandby stores the "state" in the RAM, whilst hibernate stores it on the hard disk
21:06:58scott666dont we save the 'state' either way?
21:07:13Smoothif you have "Resume" activated
21:07:20*scott666 does
21:07:40scott666resume info doesnt get saved if the setting is off?
21:07:45scott666are you sure about that?
21:07:55Smoothask linus
21:08:58LinusNwhich setting are you talking about?
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21:10:15LinusNwell, if resume is set to off, then it isn't saved
21:10:41Smooththe "superbass" option is too fiddly
21:10:49Smoothbring back the old bass boost adjuster
21:11:09Smoothmuch more midk-proof, sorry idiot proof
21:12:23scott666_nothing_ is midk-proof ;-)
21:12:44Smoothi know that
21:13:10amiconnLinusN: Compiling with -Os is even more "interesting"
21:13:52midkSmooth, you're the one who can't operate it, apparently...
21:14:05LinusNSmooth: superbass is either on or off, what's hard with that?
21:14:20LinusNor do you mean MDB?
21:14:53Smoothprefer the old bass boost adjuster, not all these new options
21:14:55LinusNSmooth: actually, all you have to do is enable it, and adjust the strength
21:14:55amiconnLinusN: Both gcc 3.3.1 and 3.4.1 compile the firmware itself, yielding significantly smaller binaries (~ 8K). Here gcc 3.4.1 is indeed a bit better
21:15:16LinusNthe other parameters are by default the same as the old one
21:15:27SmoothLinus an option to kill the Status bar in the WPS and re-enable it in the browser would be handy
21:15:34midkthat is if you're not Smooth enough to use the other parameters :]
21:15:36amiconnWhile gcc 3.4.1 errors at the same spot as with -O2 (pcrel too far)
21:15:42Smoothsince the WPS enables data for battery life and volume to be shown
21:15:51Smoothoh shut up mikeholden
21:15:52LinusNSmooth: perhaps a good idea
21:16:21Smoothyea, its a bit fiddly manually turning the Statusbar on and off if u have battery life and volume showing in the wps
21:16:36midkLinusN, did you also ever consider taking the statusbar out of the menus?
21:16:36amiconngcc 3.3.1 errors a bit later; when linking jpeg.rock it complains about an undefined reference to _memcpy
21:17:11LinusNdon't you just love it
21:17:13midki think the menus should take up the whole screen. it'd look better and give more room
21:17:37amiconnBoth compiler issue a warning for strcpy.c when compiling with -Os: common/strcpy.c:68: warning: suggest parentheses around assignment used as truth value
21:18:12amiconnI don't get why this is; I don't see a truth value in line 68...
21:21:28LinusNof course there is
21:21:46LinusNit uses the result from the assignment as the loop condition
21:22:25LinusNit's =, not ==
21:23:00amiconnArgh, I looked into strncpy.c instead
21:24:26amiconnSo putting another pair of parentheses there should fix the warning.
21:25:09LinusNit's a way of telling the compiler that you really mean it
21:25:27amiconnThe gcc 3.3.1 problem with jpeg.c is funny - there is no reference to memcpy in the reported function. Obviously gcc tries to optimize something by using memcpy, which of course fails for plugins
21:27:59amiconnFrom googling around the "pcrel too far" problem with gcc 3.4.1 is a reintroduced bug. I wonder if we should stick with 3.3.x for compiling rockbox...
21:28:24LinusNit's often about passing large data types to functions
21:28:48LinusNwe use 3.0.4 for the automatic builds today
21:31:05amiconnYes I know. I use 3.3.1 with cygwin, did not find any problems so far, and the binaries are smaller than with both 3.0.4 and 3.4.1
21:31:19amiconnThis is of course useful for rombox...
21:31:34LinusNit's a shame that 3.3.1 can be such a bitch to compile
21:32:15amiconnWhat's the problem with it?
21:32:36LinusNit requires libc headers when building the bootstrap compiler, for no reason
21:32:56LinusNso it fails with "can't find stdio.h"
21:33:12amiconnI think I should try to compile 3.3.4
21:38:32amiconnI wonder how Eric Lassauge compiled 3.3.1 then
21:39:56LinusNhe is probably smarter than i am :-)
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21:41:00LinusNi am building it as we speak, we'll see how it goes
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21:41:57amiconnLinusN: Building what? 3.3.1? 3.3.4?
21:42:14LinusNhaving another go at it
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21:44:26dstar5i wish tracktheripper would return :(
21:45:33uskidj dawn powaaaa !!
21:45:35uskioops ;)
21:45:59dstar5Smooth: you know who i am talking about sdd
21:46:09Smoothno i fucking well don't
21:46:29dstar5yes you do
21:46:57Smoothno i don't
21:47:12dstar5ok tracktheripper
21:47:13dstar5i mean Smooth
21:54:24dstar5if my new archos is here today it will be here like in the next few minutes :)
21:55:26Smooththe gmini 220 has backlit buttons
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21:56:29dstar5woopty do i can navigate totaly blnk on the archos rec
21:56:58Smooththe gmini wipes the floor with the ipod
21:57:18uskiwell, i do have a backlight keyboard on my PC ;)
21:58:29midklike smoothy here
21:58:55uskiit's very cool for IRCing in the dark ;)
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22:01:42SmoothUski is that the Auravision keyboard?
22:02:04uskihmmm no
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22:02:14uskiit's some nomark keyboard "generalkeys(tm)"
22:02:17Smoothoh ok
22:02:26Smoothmikeholden has gone now
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22:09:18dstar5not here :(
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22:15:02dstar5my archos
22:15:40Smoothwhat archos is it?
22:16:09dstar5v1 rec 15
22:16:39Smoothi badly want a gmini 220
22:16:43SmoothI held one in the shop
22:16:46Smoothfar slicker than the ipod
22:17:30dstar5that sounds EXACTY like something tracktheripper would say
22:21:42amiconnLinusN: I tried building gcc 3.3.1 under cygwin first - no luck (stdio.h problem)
22:23:23amiconnI also tried configuring with −−disable-nls, as Eric Lassauge did
22:23:32LinusNsame here
22:24:09LinusNthe official workaround is to add −−without-headers −−with-newlib to the configure command line
22:24:22LinusNbut it still doesn't work for me :-(
22:24:53LinusNfound it!
22:25:12amiconnFunny enough, the current cygwin gcc is 3.3.1, so gcc 3.3.1 isn't able to compile sh-elf-gcc 3.3.1 (!)
22:25:14LinusNthe official workaround works for all targets but SH :-)
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22:26:07LinusNi'll fix this in a minute, hang on
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22:34:21dstar5LinusN: has it been decided how to make more space in flash?
22:34:30LinusNdstar5: no
22:36:22dstar5LinusN: where is dirbrowse() found?
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22:38:46LinusNdstar5: tree.c
22:38:52LinusNgrep is your friend
22:39:37amiconnGrr, compiling gcc 3.3.4 produces the same error as 3.3.1
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22:41:40tcc730Hey all
22:42:00amiconnLinusN: I still wonder how Eric Lassauge got that beast to compile.
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22:42:28tcc730I'm looking for a way to write my own code for my mp3 player(uses telechip tcc730)
22:43:32amiconnIf I didn't get it wrong, sh-elf-gcc -v shows all options used to configure the build. His version show only 4 options: −−target=sh-elf −−prefix=/opt/sh1 −−enable-language=c −−disable-nls
22:43:35LinusNtcc730: good luck with that
22:43:58tcc730Does anyone know where I could get "TCC730 Development tool"?
22:44:15LinusNtcc730: that's the problem, it's a proprietary chip
22:44:26LinusNno public documentation
22:44:56LinusNamiconn: there are ways around the bug
22:45:10LinusNyou can for example compile newlib along with it
22:46:35amiconnThe workaround you mentioned above, yes. But wouldn't it show up in the configure string retrieved with sh-elf-gcc -v, showing that you used −−with-newlib as well?
22:47:08LinusNwell, he probably built glibc instead
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22:51:19*LinusN is building with newlib
22:51:49*amiconn is just doing the same for 3.3.4
22:52:17LinusNwe actually used newlib in the dawn of rockbox
22:52:27LinusNso building with newlib was required
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23:11:00amiconnLinusN: Tried building with both "−−with-newlib" and "−−without-headers −−with-newlib" - still no luck
23:17:19LinusNyeah, saw that, that's why i said "the official workaround works for all targets but SH"
23:17:27LinusNi have now built 3.3.1
23:19:40LinusNnow "make install" fails :-)
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23:31:58zeekoeAlf! The brown tv-alien!
23:47:50LinusNamiconn: compiled and installed
23:48:15amiconnHow did you get this to work?
23:48:30LinusNi built with newlib
23:48:48LinusNfor real
23:50:00LinusNdownload newlib from here:
23:50:23amiconnHow do you build newlib if you can't compile it without building the compiler first?
23:50:32LinusNunpack it in the same dir as you have the gcc-3.3.1 dir
23:51:01LinusNnow you have a newlib-1.12 dir as well as a gcc-3.3.1 dir
23:51:08LinusNcd gcc-3.3.1
23:51:19LinusNln -s ../newlib-1.12/newlib .
23:51:24LinusNcd ../build.gcc
23:51:40LinusNor whatever your gcc build dir is named
23:52:01LinusN../gcc-3.3.1/configure −−target=sh-elf −−prefix=/usr/local/sh-3.3.1 −−enable-languages=c −−with-newlib −−disable-multilib −−without-headers
23:58:36amiconnTrying that for gcc 3.3.4 now...

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