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09:10:02 | kaboofa | Yay insomnia! |
09:10:57 | midk | yay for kabbofer. |
09:13:14 | kaboofa | heh |
09:13:15 | kaboofa | What's up? |
09:13:30 | kaboofa | What's new in the world of rockbox? |
09:14:34 | midk | not much |
09:14:41 | midk | i've finally finished coding for clock |
09:14:48 | midk | the last thing i attempted was more animations |
09:14:55 | midk | it made the filesize even bigger |
09:15:02 | midk | i was just.. hm.. never mind |
09:17:02 | Zagor | not much? we got minesweeper! ;) |
09:17:57 | midk | s/not much/little more than not much/ |
09:17:58 | midk | :] |
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10:16:36 | kurzhaarrocker | Isn't it funny that rockbox can play movies but not edit mp3 tags yet? |
10:16:48 | midk | kurzy! |
10:16:55 | kurzhaarrocker | hi mid! |
10:17:12 | midk | :] what's up? |
10:17:54 | kurzhaarrocker | not much. I'm just back from vacation. |
10:18:32 | midk | fun. how long were you gone? |
10:18:38 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi kurzhaarrocker ! |
10:18:55 | kurzhaarrocker | just 10 days not a very long vacation.. |
10:18:58 | kurzhaarrocker | Hi Dragon |
10:19:31 | kurzhaarrocker | Someday I must change the split editor to utilize your mp3 api, Dragon ... |
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10:23:11 | [IDC]Dragon | kurzhaarrocker: go ahead! |
10:24:15 | [IDC]Dragon | the plugin API realoly suffered from the split editor, some nasty functions came in, iirc |
10:24:30 | [IDC]Dragon | s/realoly/really |
10:24:42 | [IDC]Dragon | (what a typo) |
10:24:49 | kurzhaarrocker | I never claimed the split editor to be commitable, but Linus did :) |
10:25:11 | [IDC]Dragon | sometimes he surprises me |
10:26:22 | kurzhaarrocker | Probably it's because he realized that serveral people showed interest. |
10:28:21 | kurzhaarrocker | I still lack of time to sink in rockbx - with a rockband, paragliding, windsurfing, maintaining the hompage for the band, renovating the practice room and my normal job... |
10:28:43 | [IDC]Dragon | do you sleep? |
10:29:09 | kurzhaarrocker | That's what my normal job is for :) |
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10:33:15 | midk | nite all, bed |
10:33:31 | lImbus | nite midk |
10:33:47 | kurzhaarrocker | have a nice dream with many pretty girls in it! |
10:33:49 | midk | nite lImbus, kurz and idc |
10:34:02 | midk | kurz, :) |
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10:36:03 | [IDC]Dragon | so midk went to work... |
10:36:07 | kurzhaarrocker | lol |
10:38:28 | lImbus | I should talk to my boss. he forced me to be at work at 9 AM today ! |
10:38:59 | kurzhaarrocker | Could you talk to mine, too? I'm to tired... |
10:40:14 | scott666 | minesweeper?! my god! my archos may still have a use after all |
10:41:15 | scott666 | funny what a dead headphone jack does to an mp3 player's usefulness |
10:41:24 | * | kurzhaarrocker doesn't play games on the archos any more |
10:41:24 | kurzhaarrocker | The buttons tend to break |
10:41:47 | scott666 | my f2 and 3 are broken |
10:41:55 | scott666 | fortunately theyre useless most of the time |
10:42:08 | kurzhaarrocker | So how did you break them? |
10:42:16 | scott666 | nothing in particular |
10:42:19 | scott666 | they just broke |
10:43:04 | kurzhaarrocker | Has anybody found a source of replacement buttons yet? |
10:43:20 | scott666 | dead archoses (archi?) |
10:43:33 | scott666 | ebau |
10:43:36 | scott666 | *ebay |
10:43:51 | Bagder | there seems to be many people that have broken archoses |
10:44:08 | scott666 | someone wanted to redesign the buttons and face a while back, but nother ever came of it |
10:44:19 | scott666 | Bagder: indeed |
10:44:28 | scott666 | sorry about your loss btw |
10:44:34 | kurzhaarrocker | Maybe Rockbox comes to a natural end then. |
10:44:59 | scott666 | somehow i dont think thats likely |
10:45:06 | kurzhaarrocker | When all the Jukeboxes are extinct it's time for evolution :) |
10:45:28 | scott666 | hopfully rockbox will have migrated in time |
10:46:30 | lImbus | if I had to redesign the archos' case, I would arrange a jog dial somewhere. |
10:46:43 | scott666 | why? |
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10:47:07 | scott666 | i prefer a tactile button personally |
10:47:18 | scott666 | plus i think thats apples IP now |
10:47:20 | kurzhaarrocker | Yes, jogdials are great. I thought about simulating a jog dial with the up down left right buttons... |
10:48:47 | scott666 | id rather have left right up down and a scroll wheel |
10:49:11 | kurzhaarrocker | me too |
10:49:29 | scott666 | if the scroll wheel was good enough it could replace up and down |
10:49:41 | kurzhaarrocker | That would lift pong to another level :) |
10:50:28 | scott666 | the main feature i want is the ability to just copy mp3s onto it from explorer and be able to listen to them |
10:50:50 | Zagor | yeah, that's getting pretty rare |
10:51:09 | scott666 | those database structures annoy the hell out of me |
10:51:31 | scott666 | my musics already organized the way i like it, i dont need iTunes to help |
10:52:24 | kurzhaarrocker | databases are a fine thing if they are _additional_ to the normal organization |
10:52:34 | Zagor | amen |
10:52:46 | scott666 | yeah |
10:53:54 | kurzhaarrocker | What about the database plans for rockbox. I vaguely remember that somebody was working on that some years ago... |
10:54:15 | scott666 | i think i saw something on the list about it a few days ago |
10:54:21 | scott666 | check the patch tracker |
10:54:44 | Zagor | many people have looked at it, but nothing ever came out |
10:54:55 | Zagor | the closest is a search function, iirc |
10:55:17 | kurzhaarrocker | the same applies to the id3 editor I assume? |
10:55:48 | scott666 | oh, i was thinking of this: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1001358&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
10:56:31 | Zagor | scott666: right, but that one opens each file (and optionally caches the data). i don't think it's a good starting point for the database feature |
10:56:55 | Zagor | kurzhaarrocker: id3 editing is a single-file operation. it's much easier than the database problem |
10:57:38 | Zagor | scott666: it could be a better-than-nothing stepping stone, but i'm not convinced |
10:57:47 | scott666 | any idea when 2.3 is being relieased? |
10:58:03 | scott666 | Zagor: i agree, i just remembered hearing something about it |
10:58:44 | Zagor | we should ship 2.3 soon. it's due. |
10:59:16 | scott666 | its been over 5 months |
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11:00:12 | Zagor | ok, it's overdue :) |
11:00:29 | kurzhaarrocker | What kind of change would justify a version V3.0 ? |
11:00:55 | scott666 | kurzhaarrocker: a big one |
11:01:06 | Zagor | good question. a browsable id3 database could be a candidate. |
11:01:48 | scott666 | a huge UI overhaul could be one too |
11:02:07 | Zagor | yes |
11:02:12 | kurzhaarrocker | yeah, an icon based ui :) |
11:02:50 | scott666 | i just dont see how that oculd ever be a good idea |
11:02:58 | scott666 | although we do have greyscale now... |
11:02:59 | kurzhaarrocker | or completly user assingnable key schemes... *cough* |
11:02:59 | * | kurzhaarrocker hides</BODY></HTML> |
11:03:40 | kurzhaarrocker | Someone presented a demo with icons and I found it decreased the number of keypresses because of 2-dimensional navigation. |
11:04:26 | scott666 | how many dimensions did the navigation have before...? |
11:05:08 | Zagor | kurzhaarrocker: obviously, a well-designed UI can be better than our ad-hoc one |
11:05:19 | kurzhaarrocker | one: Menues are organized up and down |
11:05:19 | kurzhaarrocker | With Icons you have two dimensions (up down) and (left right) |
11:06:00 | scott666 | the current menu system has left and right too... |
11:06:13 | scott666 | or am i missing something? |
11:06:33 | kurzhaarrocker | Menu items are a list, not a table. |
11:07:16 | scott666 | ok |
11:07:29 | Zagor | scott666: current menus are a 1x9 table. an icon gui can be 3x3 and thus be faster to navigate |
11:07:51 | scott666 | ok, i see |
11:08:20 | Zagor | however icons have other drawbacks that menus don't. readability for example. |
11:08:29 | scott666 | yeah |
11:08:51 | scott666 | especially on our 112x64 screen |
11:10:23 | scott666 | could you go past the root menu with an icon UI? |
11:10:49 | Zagor | sure, just to a new icon matrix |
11:10:52 | scott666 | i could see having icons for sound settings, recording, etc., but not for, say, battery capacity |
11:11:14 | scott666 | or scroll acceleration speed |
11:11:21 | scott666 | etc. |
11:12:46 | kurzhaarrocker | The menu structure should still be organized tree-like. What's the problem with an acceleration speed icon? |
11:13:08 | scott666 | how do you draw it in a way that everyone can understand? |
11:13:24 | scott666 | thats a very difficult pictionary word |
11:13:54 | kurzhaarrocker | The icons should have 'tooltips' that are displayed in a status line and be spoken for our blind fellows when you navigate on that particular icon. |
11:14:11 | scott666 | that would work |
11:14:37 | scott666 | you just need a talented low resoltution artist |
11:15:05 | kurzhaarrocker | yes, count me out :) |
11:15:59 | scott666 | ooh, we could make it skinnable if we did that |
11:16:43 | kurzhaarrocker | seems you already crave for V3.0, scott666 :) |
11:17:04 | scott666 | im happy with text menus |
11:17:44 | scott666 | id prefer to make a customizable way to make the most frequently used functions more accessable |
11:19:56 | scott666 | id also like the Games menu entry back |
11:20:10 | scott666 | but thats another matter |
11:20:16 | kurzhaarrocker | And I still miss a couple of features severely like audiable ffwd, id3 tag editor, volume triggered recording, database, ... |
11:20:20 | scott666 | a much easier to implement one |
11:21:07 | scott666 | audible ff is possible at the expensive of acceleration |
11:21:14 | kurzhaarrocker | Oh, I forgot to mention the waterproofPlugin so that I can use it while windsurfing. |
11:21:41 | scott666 | why do you want an id3 tag editor? |
11:22:13 | scott666 | that seems like a job much better suited for a computer |
11:23:41 | kurzhaarrocker | Well it's a portable recording device. I know hardly anybody uses it for recording. But when I'm on the road to record things I consider it a must-have-feature to be able to label my recordings. |
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11:25:17 | kurzhaarrocker | When I recorded something I still know what I recorded. I might have forgotten that when I have the access to pc... |
11:26:01 | kurzhaarrocker | (btw that includes that the id3 tag should be editable _while_ recording) |
11:26:48 | scott666 | that would be a nice feature |
11:27:11 | scott666 | editiing the current id3 tab durring hte recording |
11:27:44 | scott666 | *tag |
11:27:58 | scott666 | not sure how feasable it is though |
11:28:28 | scott666 | anyway, i need to sleep |
11:28:30 | scott666 | night |
11:28:36 | kurzhaarrocker | nice dreams. |
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11:54:10 | amiconn | kurzhaarrocker: Actually the recording should be fixed first to work reliable before thinking about id3 editing... |
11:55:00 | kurzhaarrocker | yes, that's true. |
11:57:15 | amiconn | If you read the irc backlogs, I did some extensive tests recently. While the archos fw manages to do long recordings without a single corrupt frame, rockbox doesn't |
11:58:05 | * | kurzhaarrocker was just searching the mailing list -> wrong place it seems. |
11:59:44 | amiconn | The rockbox recording "breaks down" at some point in time (it varies; observed 3..90 minutes so far). After that it records garbage... |
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12:01:19 | kurzhaarrocker | Do you mean utter garbage or just a few broken frames? I never realized utter garbage and I record a lot. |
12:19:47 | Hes | amiconn: how much garbage? I've recorded a few 3-hour gigs of our band and they were just fine. Recorded with an external A/D box through the spdif connector. |
12:20:13 | kurzhaarrocker | Hes what kind of AD do you use? |
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12:20:41 | Hes | A modified Edirol UA-5 USB audio interface. |
12:20:54 | Hes | I've modified it to work as a standalone A/D device. |
12:22:13 | kurzhaarrocker | Ok, I asked because I was looking at the Zefiro thingie for quite some time and vaguely hoped you found a battery driven alternative. |
12:23:28 | Hes | Yup. The UA-5 has an external 12V wall adapter, you can drive it from a 12V sealed lead acid battery, or equivalent, but it's not exactly pocket sized then. People doing portable hard disk recording use them with 12V batteries and laptops happily. |
12:24:31 | Hes | Some company even advertised preconfigured bags containing the batteries, laptop, ua-5, and recording software.... |
12:24:42 | kurzhaarrocker | That's to big for me. If I have that much luggage I can keep using my old DAT recorder as DA for long time recordings. |
12:24:55 | Hes | Sure. |
12:25:34 | kurzhaarrocker | http://www.core-sound.com/Mic2496.html looks interesting to me, but expensive too. :( |
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12:34:48 | Hes | Yup, it's quite expensive. The size & features are quite good. |
12:44:05 | amiconn | Hes: After the break down point it records only garbage, although it vaguely looks like mp3 frames. I did my tests with line in, as I don't have any spdif capable equipment |
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13:43:58 | Zagor | haha. ibm accuses sco of copying 783.000 lines of their code :) |
13:44:39 | Bagder | hehe |
13:44:58 | Zagor | you reap what you sow... |
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14:11:18 | knoppix | Will const poliecing ever stop? |
14:11:50 | Bagder | hey, he's keeping the cvs-table alive! ;-) |
14:12:30 | knoppix | ... but the daily build table colorless... |
14:22:27 | amiconn | knoppix: I think I'm through now with const policeing. Of course I test building locally before committing, so the build table usually doesn't become colored |
14:23:49 | knoppix | pah, no risk, no fun |
14:28:35 | amiconn | Zagor, Bagder: Is there anything that would make including patch #861278 undesirable? I'd like to do that, as it fixes some odd behaviours (but excluding position #4 in Brian's list) |
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14:47:25 | Zagor | looks ok to me |
14:48:22 | Zagor | it's rather embarrassing that we have 18 months old patches... |
14:49:03 | knoppix | maybe someone should develop an autodelete for old patches... |
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15:00:57 | Zagor | i'm not sure that would be less embarrassing :) |
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15:37:58 | knoppix | Zagor: apropos embarrassing: Were you out of town when Linus committed the split editor? I assumed you'd be embarrassed by the plugin extensions it required... |
15:38:33 | Zagor | hehe. yeah, i was on vacation |
15:39:18 | knoppix | so now the damage is done, it's useless to complain :D |
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16:16:13 | lImbus | -# |
16:16:18 | Bagder | not unless lxr has been updated lately |
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17:39:40 | dstar5 | hey [IDC]Dragon |
17:45:50 | uski | hey * |
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17:54:02 | Lynx0 | hi! |
17:54:37 | dstar5 | hi uski |
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17:55:13 | Lynx0 | I just notices that the battery status on my recorder constantly changes from 0->34->68->100, it's plugged in. is that normal? |
17:55:48 | uski | right |
17:55:53 | uski | it shows it is charging the battery |
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17:56:18 | Lynx0 | ah, it's just the numerical form of the charging animation, sure... |
17:56:25 | dstar5 | Lynx0: if you are using the graphical batter, you will see the battery filling, with those values |
17:56:49 | Lynx0 | should have thought of that myself... |
17:57:04 | dstar5 | although that may be a good idea |
17:57:13 | dstar5 | i new way of showing it is charging |
17:57:59 | Lynx0 | is it possible to measure current battery status while charging? |
17:59:23 | Lynx0 | then the display could switch between current status and something like "char" |
17:59:59 | dstar5 | yes, the battery level is measured through the voltage |
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18:00:15 | dstar5 | while charging, of course the voltage goes up |
18:00:33 | Lynx0 | but currently you can't see to what percentage it's charged, right? |
18:00:36 | dstar5 | but rockbox ccan tell the voltage of the charger, and can subtract it |
18:00:54 | dstar5 | well, you can get a good estimate |
18:01:04 | dstar5 | go to main menu-info-rockbox info |
18:01:15 | dstar5 | i think it will show the $age there |
18:02:02 | Lynx0 | it shows top-off c can't read the rest because of large font |
18:02:35 | dstar5 | ohh |
18:02:43 | dstar5 | then don't use large font :) |
18:03:14 | Lynx0 | hehe. but the percentage is shown after that c somewhere? |
18:03:20 | dstar5 | i use the dault, hebrew bold, and uwe porob |
18:03:25 | dstar5 | i beleive so |
18:03:30 | dstar5 | hold on ill check |
18:05:08 | dstar5 | no, it dosent :( |
18:05:24 | dstar5 | but if you flash rockbox, and plug it in, you can see the % |
18:10:50 | Lynx0 | where? |
18:11:07 | Lynx0 | ah, in the charging screen, right |
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18:15:19 | dstar5 | yes |
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18:16:51 | Cheeto_ | hello all |
18:19:08 | Cheeto_ | needing a bit of help finding the firmware_fm.bin file |
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18:22:22 | Ghuul | hi |
18:22:26 | Cheeto_ | hi |
18:23:01 | Ghuul | i got a brand new recorder 20 yesterday but it doesnt seem to be flashable. |
18:23:32 | Cheeto_ | heh, I have no real idea, mate, I just read through the manual but a file I need isn't in the file I downloaded for flashing. |
18:23:56 | Cheeto_ | was here hoping to get help finding my firmware_fm.bin file, you know where they're kept? |
18:24:17 | Ghuul | wait a sec |
18:24:36 | Cheeto_ | k |
18:24:43 | Cheeto_ | btw, what's your recorder doing? |
18:25:26 | Ghuul | hmm im just booting from the file, ajbrec.ajz |
18:25:26 | dstar5 | it is in the zip at the bottom of the flaSHING OC |
18:25:28 | dstar5 | *DOC |
18:26:52 | Cheeto_ | I don't have a flashing doc |
18:27:16 | Cheeto_ | I have a docs folder within the rockbox folder that has 7 txt files |
18:27:38 | Ghuul | de/archos/flash/flash_fm.zip">http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/flash/flash_fm.zip |
18:27:43 | Cheeto_ | the root of the zip just has the ajbrec.ajz file |
18:27:59 | Cheeto_ | ah |
18:27:59 | Ghuul | yeah the file is in the folder |
18:28:01 | Cheeto_ | there we go, thanks |
18:28:05 | Ghuul | np |
18:28:46 | Cheeto_ | so I just unzip this to the player, right? Overwrite any of the release 2.2 stuff that it wants to? |
18:29:15 | Cheeto_ | nevermind |
18:29:18 | Cheeto_ | stupid question :P |
18:30:07 | Cheeto_ | so Ghuul, what's your box doing? |
18:30:46 | Ghuul | i think it has a chip on it which isnt flashable at the moment |
18:31:17 | Ghuul | but it says on the website that only old recorders have one and i got my recorder yesterday |
18:31:33 | Ghuul | they sent it to me for my broken old one |
18:31:35 | Cheeto_ | maybe they had yours in a warehouse for awhile |
18:31:56 | Cheeto_ | is the program telling you that it can't flash or it's an unknown version? |
18:32:25 | Ghuul | cant flash and unknown version ( ?? in the info) |
18:32:39 | Ghuul | its one of these black models which arent too old i think |
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18:34:26 | Cheeto_ | oh :-. |
18:34:35 | Ghuul | In the hardwareinfo it says "Flash: M=?? D=??" |
18:35:01 | Ghuul | is there a way to check how old my model is? |
18:35:19 | Ghuul | firmware was 1.28 |
18:35:36 | Cheeto_ | I have no idea how. I'm about to check mine and see if I can flash it |
18:37:02 | Ghuul | its under "view hw info" |
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18:41:19 | Cheeto_ | w00t, it recognises it |
18:42:12 | Cheeto_ | out of curiosity, these things use laptop hard drives, don't they? |
18:42:17 | Ghuul | yep |
18:42:25 | Ghuul | 2.5" drives |
18:42:33 | Cheeto_ | hmmm |
18:42:50 | Cheeto_ | Cos I was planning on getting an iPod and then scavenging this drive for my laptop |
18:43:06 | Ghuul | yeah thats possible i think |
18:43:16 | Cheeto_ | thought it'd be a fun experiement :D |
18:43:47 | Ghuul | i couldnt scavenge my archos though :-) |
18:43:57 | Cheeto_ | meh, I'm angry at mine |
18:44:23 | Ghuul | there are some guides on how to replace the harddrive in the docs section |
18:44:26 | Ghuul | why? |
18:44:31 | dstar5 | a iPod omg! |
18:44:55 | Cheeto_ | because the thing is slow, it locks up sometimes |
18:45:03 | Cheeto_ | the battery door comes off periodically |
18:45:15 | [IDC]Dragon | uski: I'm here |
18:45:45 | Ghuul | what do you mean by "slow"? |
18:46:10 | Ghuul | mine also locks up sometimes if i move it too much |
18:46:55 | Cheeto_ | I mean like it would take a long time to boot up, if it booted up, and it took it's own sweet time playing a song, pausing a sonng, stopping a song, going to the next track, changing directories |
18:47:44 | Ghuul | you should flash your archos, which makes boot time much shorter |
18:47:50 | Cheeto_ | tis what I'm doing |
18:48:03 | Cheeto_ | hopefully it'll make it more reliable, too (I taped the damn battery door down :P) |
18:49:15 | Ghuul | ipod support isnt too good i heard |
18:49:52 | Ghuul | my father got his new ipod today though :-) |
18:50:51 | Cheeto_ | well, hopefully he likeses |
18:52:10 | Ghuul | yeah i think so, he has a kind of mac-fetish so decision wasnt so hard for him i think |
18:53:29 | Cheeto_ | ehh, I got the Archos because it had plenty of features built in (voice recorder is handy for class) and required no software, plus I thought it was one of the only ones to function as a portable hard drive. Didn't know the iPod could funcion the same way, only difference is that you can't get at the music on it, which is no big deal for me. |
18:55:06 | Cheeto_ | okay *pulls latex gloves on* vee have zee original firmvare backed UP. Andnowitistimetobegin. |
18:55:45 | Ghuul | ^^ |
18:56:32 | [IDC]Dragon | Cheeto_: ;-) |
18:56:47 | Cheeto_ | yes I am odd |
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18:57:26 | Cheeto_ | *pulls a lever and spins some dials* Eyegor! Get me that abbynormal brain! |
18:58:21 | Cheeto_ | *crosses fingers* |
18:58:30 | Cheeto_ | verify OK |
18:58:34 | dstar5 | :) |
18:58:43 | Cheeto_ | mehopes that means It's ALIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE...errr...again |
18:59:07 | Cheeto_ | w00f |
18:59:19 | Cheeto_ | that's a helluva an improvement |
18:59:23 | Cheeto_ | nice job guis |
18:59:26 | Cheeto_ | guys |
18:59:30 | [IDC]Dragon | thanks |
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19:00:03 | [IDC]Dragon | (dunno if you know me, but you just downloaded the flash stuff from my page) |
19:00:18 | Cheeto_ | I remember seeing your name on the IRC page, figured you were a team-member |
19:01:38 | Cheeto_ | my linux geek friend is going to be humping himself with the idea that I replaced the OS on my MP3 player with an open source project |
19:02:13 | [IDC]Dragon | now go and flash the daily build |
19:02:22 | Cheeto_ | thought those were less stable? |
19:02:38 | [IDC]Dragon | no, just not so old |
19:02:46 | Cheeto_ | mm |
19:02:57 | [IDC]Dragon | usually, they are more stable |
19:03:10 | [IDC]Dragon | because old bug are rooted out |
19:03:17 | [IDC]Dragon | bugs |
19:03:23 | Cheeto_ | as opposed to bleeding edge, which is still got bugs in it |
19:03:35 | [IDC]Dragon | no |
19:04:02 | [IDC]Dragon | bleeding edge is today's stuff, daily builds are yesterday's stuff |
19:04:09 | Cheeto_ | right, that I got |
19:04:15 | [IDC]Dragon | (if there has been any change) |
19:04:39 | Cheeto_ | but I thought that bleeding edge was stuff that was still being tweaked and tested, right? It was updated every 20 minutes or something like that |
19:04:54 | uski | Cheeto_, right |
19:05:03 | uski | but usually changes are comitted only if they are _supposed_ not to break things |
19:05:08 | Cheeto_ | ah |
19:05:41 | [IDC]Dragon | uski: sorry for overlooking you and the PMs |
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19:05:55 | uski | [IDC]Dragon, no problem :)) |
19:06:11 | [IDC]Dragon | what's the matter? |
19:06:19 | uski | well |
19:06:27 | uski | can I talk in PM ? it's not rockbox related |
19:06:37 | [IDC]Dragon | sure |
19:06:46 | Cheeto_ | http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily/fmrecorder/rockbox-fmrecorder-20040819.zip How the deuce do I flash this, anyways? |
19:07:00 | Cheeto_ | no bin files here |
19:07:40 | [IDC]Dragon | Cheeto_: once flashed, you only need the .ucl |
19:07:46 | Cheeto_ | ah |
19:07:53 | Cheeto_ | just tell it to play the UCL file? |
19:08:33 | [IDC]Dragon | yes |
19:09:05 | Cheeto_ | *zaps his archos again* I seriously think this thing is about to punch me in the throat for messing with it's brain so much :P |
19:09:57 | dstar5 | :P |
19:11:42 | Cheeto_ | hey it actually wants to confirm shutdowns now, cool |
19:13:00 | Cheeto_ | btw, you might be interested to know I found you through an article linked from Slashdot to somone who'd put Linux on an AV320, then I found a link there to your setup |
19:18:22 | dstar5 | [IDC]Dragon: how is your success on the CO board? |
19:18:28 | dstar5 | *CPU |
19:22:37 | [IDC]Dragon | dstar5: Hi |
19:22:54 | [IDC]Dragon | I haven't done anything to it yet |
19:23:15 | dstar5 | ahh you are at work |
19:23:27 | [IDC]Dragon | I'd better read the flash chip first, before replacing it |
19:23:41 | [IDC]Dragon | so, I need to operate the board |
19:23:55 | dstar5 | ok |
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19:25:23 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe I'll do an adapter, with an RS232, for plugging the CPU board to |
19:25:49 | [IDC]Dragon | so I can do the uart boot to it without putting it into a box |
19:26:38 | dstar5 | neat |
19:30:04 | Cheeto_ | hey thanks for the help guys, I've gotta jet, see ya |
19:39:08 | dstar5 | [IDC]Dragon: would you know how to overclock the processor in the archos? :) |
19:43:34 | [IDC]Dragon | dstar5: you probably could, but why? |
19:43:48 | [IDC]Dragon | it would require to change the xtal |
19:43:57 | [IDC]Dragon | h/w mod |
19:44:26 | dstar5 | xtal? that little thing with "AT11.0592" written on it? |
19:44:57 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, the metal thingy |
19:45:04 | dstar5 | ohh |
19:45:19 | dstar5 | that would be an interesting ting to do |
19:45:25 | dstar5 | *thing |
19:45:52 | [IDC]Dragon | not really. If you can get it to maybe 15 MHz, what would it help? |
19:45:53 | dstar5 | of cource it would take some changes in rockbox to work with the timing correctly |
19:46:07 | dstar5 | nothing... |
19:46:15 | [IDC]Dragon | there is a #define |
19:46:24 | [IDC]Dragon | I gotta leave |
19:46:33 | dstar5 | see you |
19:46:48 | [IDC]Dragon | btw, the CPU is specified for up to 12 MHz |
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21:09:27 | zeekoe | midk! |
21:09:33 | zeekoe | i made the save/load option |
21:10:33 | midk | it works? |
21:14:05 | zeekoe | no |
21:14:21 | midk | why is this news then? :) |
21:14:32 | zeekoe | i was hoping you could take a look at the source |
21:14:40 | midk | sure |
21:14:42 | zeekoe | or someone else around here |
21:14:52 | midk | i don't think it's quite as easy as it seems though |
21:14:55 | zeekoe | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=44306&atid=439120&file_id=98447&aid=992487 |
21:15:02 | zeekoe | *Unstable* test version with load/save option. DONT TRY THIS on the real thing. |
21:15:02 | midk | displaying it isn't the same as saving it |
21:15:09 | midk | why not? |
21:15:15 | zeekoe | dunno |
21:15:23 | midk | haha |
21:15:35 | zeekoe | while trying stuff it sometimes crashed the simulator |
21:15:44 | zeekoe | but i think i kind of fixed that |
21:16:07 | zeekoe | i'm not sure how to do certain things |
21:16:18 | midk | doubt it'd work on the sim |
21:16:23 | zeekoe | i have this buf[112*64] |
21:16:31 | zeekoe | and i just want to save it |
21:16:36 | zeekoe | and then get it back again |
21:16:49 | zeekoe | and i implemented some lame ways to do it, but they dont work |
21:17:05 | midk | hmmm |
21:17:22 | midk | doesn't appear you even read the file |
21:17:27 | midk | to display it |
21:17:27 | zeekoe | i do! |
21:17:35 | midk | where? |
21:17:35 | zeekoe | i got some stuff on the screan |
21:17:38 | zeekoe | screen |
21:17:41 | midk | oh, great |
21:17:47 | zeekoe | read_file |
21:18:20 | zeekoe | rb->lcd_framebuffer = buffer; |
21:18:20 | zeekoe | rb->lcd_update(); |
21:18:24 | zeekoe | that doesnt seem to work |
21:18:30 | midk | you never refill buffer i mean |
21:18:33 | zeekoe | ? |
21:18:44 | midk | you need to read the bmpfile and load its contents into buffer |
21:18:55 | zeekoe | int numread = rb->read(f, buf, sizeof(buf) - 1); |
21:18:57 | zeekoe | like that |
21:19:07 | zeekoe | and then i do |
21:19:20 | zeekoe | bmp_display(buf) |
21:19:37 | midk | don't remember the format of "read".. but aren't you displaying "buffer", not "buf"? |
21:19:49 | zeekoe | i do |
21:19:57 | zeekoe | but i do bmp_display(buf) |
21:20:00 | zeekoe | and then this: |
21:20:00 | zeekoe | void bmp_display(char buffer[BMP_SIZE]) { |
21:20:14 | zeekoe | so the buff goes into the buffer[BMP_SIZE] |
21:20:19 | zeekoe | well, i think it does. |
21:21:13 | midk | ...mhm. |
21:21:27 | zeekoe | the emu still crashes btw |
21:21:35 | zeekoe | s/emu/simu |
21:21:50 | zeekoe | it doesnt like this part -> rb->lcd_framebuffer = buffer; |
21:22:02 | midk | i doubt it would |
21:22:07 | midk | it's not very good |
21:22:39 | zeekoe | but i want it |
21:23:01 | zeekoe | i want rb->lcd_framebuffer to contain buffer |
21:23:03 | zeekoe | i mean |
21:23:23 | zeekoe | i want buffer to be copied to rb->lcd_framebuffer |
21:23:58 | zeekoe | *ping* |
21:24:00 | zeekoe | idea |
21:24:25 | midk | you're making littler and littler sense |
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21:25:59 | zeekoe | oh boy |
21:26:02 | zeekoe | it even works |
21:26:04 | zeekoe | lol |
21:26:16 | zeekoe | int numread = rb->read(f, rb->lcd_framebuffer, 112*64-1); |
21:26:16 | zeekoe | rb->lcd_framebuffer[112*64] = 0; |
21:26:16 | zeekoe | rb->lcd_update(); |
21:26:16 | midk | it does? |
21:26:46 | zeekoe | at least, i see some _real_ familiar pictures :) |
21:27:13 | midk | are you.. serious? :) |
21:27:25 | zeekoe | i am... |
21:27:34 | midk | great! |
21:27:39 | zeekoe | even if it's the first time in my life ;-) |
21:27:40 | zeekoe | yeah |
21:27:55 | zeekoe | not real bmps though |
21:28:07 | midk | awesome. hold onto that for a day and a half and i want to try it out |
21:28:08 | zeekoe | just 896 bytes raw screendumps |
21:28:13 | zeekoe | ? |
21:28:15 | midk | oh.. hm |
21:28:20 | zeekoe | why a day and a half |
21:28:44 | zeekoe | ? |
21:29:12 | midk | that's when i can mess with it |
21:29:15 | zeekoe | ok |
21:29:15 | midk | a day and 5 hours |
21:29:18 | zeekoe | :) |
21:29:32 | amiconn | zeekoe: (1) The framebuffer isn't 112*64 (=7168) bytes long, but only 112*64/8 (= 986) bytes, since every pixel is represented by one bit only |
21:29:35 | zeekoe | it still needs some polishing anyway |
21:29:46 | zeekoe | uh |
21:29:49 | zeekoe | 986 whatever |
21:29:59 | zeekoe | whoops |
21:30:02 | zeekoe | :-P |
21:30:06 | zeekoe | i made that mistake before |
21:30:16 | amiconn | (2) Why are you doing rb->lcd_framebuffer[112*64] = 0; ??? First, the framebuffer isn't a string, and second, you write into innocent memory because of (1) |
21:30:35 | amiconn | err. 896 bytes of course |
21:30:38 | zeekoe | uh well... it was in the saving bmp code i guess :-P |
21:31:45 | elinenbe | hello! |
21:31:54 | zeekoe | hi :) |
21:32:05 | elinenbe | ah... the etch-a-sketch man! |
21:32:11 | zeekoe | amiconn: should i read 112*8 bytes, or 112*8-1? |
21:32:29 | zeekoe | elinenbe: it has load & save capabilities now :-) |
21:32:47 | amiconn | 112*8 bytes |
21:33:29 | zeekoe | ok |
21:33:31 | zeekoe | thx |
21:33:48 | zeekoe | yay, it works |
21:33:55 | elinenbe | amiconn: the const man! |
21:34:01 | elinenbe | elinenbe: the sokoban man! |
21:34:06 | elinenbe | amiconn: the grayscale man! |
21:34:11 | zeekoe | elinenbe: are you the sokoban man? |
21:34:13 | elinenbe | amiconn: the speeder-upper man! |
21:34:24 | elinenbe | zeekoe: yeah, that's my claim to fame. |
21:34:28 | zeekoe | lol |
21:34:36 | amiconn | ..and the not-finding-recording-bug man as well :( |
21:34:48 | zeekoe | i never really liked sokoban... always got stuck way too early |
21:34:55 | zeekoe | i'm not a puzzle-game-man |
21:35:08 | zeekoe | amiconn: still no luck? |
21:35:09 | zeekoe | bad |
21:35:19 | zeekoe | about the lost frames, that is? |
21:38:11 | amiconn | There are several problems with the recording.... |
21:38:33 | amiconn | zeekoe: (3) Why aren't you using bmp? There is already a bmp saver (for creating screenshots, in misc.c) |
21:38:43 | zeekoe | amiconn: i tried |
21:38:49 | zeekoe | btw, does anyone have some suggestions on this: rb->write(f, &buf[0],112*8); ? |
21:39:02 | midk | write(what, where, how big) ? |
21:39:15 | zeekoe | ok :) |
21:39:27 | zeekoe | so i can also do buf[],112*8 |
21:39:36 | zeekoe | amiconn: bmp has this |
21:39:37 | zeekoe | for(y = 0;y < 64;y++) |
21:39:37 | zeekoe | { |
21:39:37 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK zeekoe |
21:39:37 | zeekoe | shift = y & 7; |
21:39:37 | zeekoe | for(x = 0;x < 112/8;x++) |
21:39:39 | amiconn | There is a bmp loader as well (in bmp.c), but this isn't compiled in now, and will most likely not work, because the rockbox screen buffer format changed in between |
21:39:39 | zeekoe | { |
21:39:41 | zeekoe | for(i = 0;i < 8;i++) |
21:39:43 | zeekoe | { |
21:39:45 | zeekoe | buf2[y*112/8+x] |= ((buf[y/8*112+x*8+i] >> shift) |
21:39:47 | zeekoe | & 0x01) << (7-i); |
21:39:49 | zeekoe | } |
21:39:51 | zeekoe | } |
21:39:53 | zeekoe | } |
21:39:57 | zeekoe | nice |
21:39:59 | zeekoe | why dont i know |
21:40:01 | zeekoe | :) |
21:40:15 | zeekoe | i also save bmps |
21:40:29 | zeekoe | as an "export" feature |
21:40:44 | zeekoe | to hide the fact i'm too lame to read bmps :-P |
21:41:24 | amiconn | If I got some other things sorted, I'll possibly rewrite the screen dump function (to consume less ram and be faster). |
21:42:39 | amiconn | It would make sense to make this callable via the plugin api. A complement would be bmp loading, probably as a plugin lib function |
21:43:08 | zeekoe | indeed |
21:43:16 | zeekoe | that would be nice |
21:43:43 | zeekoe | bmp.c has something that looks like the complement of this weird code |
21:43:58 | zeekoe | but it says it's for 1 byte per pixel |
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22:59:59 | zeekoe | working version of etchasketch is ready btw, for anyone wanting to try. it _should_ not crash your recorder :) |
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23:00:00 | zeekoe | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=992487&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
23:00:13 | zeekoe | also a .rock compiled for recorder v1 |
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