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| 03:01:23 | Madman | anyone here? |
| 03:01:30 | gromit`` | hello |
| 03:04:21 | Madman | hey, do you know anything about pong on the jukebox recorder? |
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| 03:48:47 | hume22 | hello i have an archos jukebox 10 and i have the error dir buffer full |
| 03:49:08 | hume22 | i never used rockbox before but i installed 2.2 and got the daily build of today |
| 03:49:18 | hume22 | any help will be great |
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| 04:50:38 | Madman | anyone know anything about the dir buffer full! error? |
| 04:52:15 | Madman | i just flashed my jukebox, it worked fine, but after i tried to install the latest daily build, it says, "dir buffer is full!" |
| 04:58:39 | Madman | anyone know? |
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| 05:05:59 | Madman | it also wont allow me to install a new firmware, including all of the daily builds and the original archos firmware (1.7) |
| 05:07:41 | Madman | it has v. 2.2 of rockbox in right now, because thats what came with the flash |
| 05:13:18 | Madman | either nobody is here or nobody knows |
| 05:15:01 | Madman | its like v2.2 keeps on re-writing itself after i delete it... |
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| 05:24:04 | hume22 | madman go into the options general, system then limits |
| 05:24:23 | hume22 | and change the file limits and power off and on your player |
| 05:24:55 | Madman | didnt work... |
| 05:25:58 | Madman | i think something else is wrong. i tried to delete the .ajz file and the .rockbox dir files, but they just rewrite themselves. |
| 05:26:05 | Madman | i did that from the computer |
| 05:26:25 | Madman | i cant even see any dir's in the jukebox |
| 05:26:37 | hume22 | i had the same problem today |
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| 05:26:42 | hume22 | and that how i fixed it |
| 05:27:01 | hume22 | hey do you know how to fix the laggint between changing tracks |
| 05:27:11 | hume22 | it takes like 4 secs |
| 05:27:18 | hume22 | before it was instant |
| 05:27:47 | Madman | do you have a daily build? |
| 05:28:02 | hume22 | yep |
| 05:28:26 | hume22 | takes like 5 secs |
| 05:28:29 | Madman | and its flashed? it shouldnt do that |
| 05:28:42 | hume22 | whats flashed |
| 05:28:51 | Madman | your jukebox |
| 05:28:52 | hume22 | first day i start using this firmware |
| 05:29:09 | Madman | oh, well it should only take like 2 secs |
| 05:29:31 | hume22 | the light starts blinking |
| 05:29:41 | hume22 | like its searching hard |
| 05:30:03 | hume22 | it didnt do that before i installed this firmware |
| 05:30:35 | Madman | that is weird, whenever i change the limit, not only does it reset when i turned it off, but i saw it jump from 0 to 50. |
| 05:30:49 | Madman | that means that the default is 0 when it boots up. |
| 05:31:33 | hume22 | you have jukebox 10 |
| 05:31:55 | Madman | 20 |
| 05:32:00 | Madman | recorder 20 |
| 05:32:51 | hume22 | oh i have jukebox 10 |
| 05:33:01 | hume22 | well didnt you delete some files_ |
| 05:33:06 | Madman | it should work about the same though |
| 05:33:12 | hume22 | try reinstalling it again |
| 05:33:16 | hume22 | and change the limit |
| 05:33:34 | Madman | whenever i delete something, it just rewrites itself |
| 05:33:45 | Madman | im starting to think that its possesed |
| 05:33:55 | Madman | :) |
| 05:33:59 | hume22 | maybe |
| 05:34:14 | hume22 | u think this rockbox is better than the original_ |
| 05:34:23 | Madman | much better |
| 05:35:12 | hume22 | what does flashing do to your player |
| 05:35:12 | Madman | or it was until it stopped working |
| 05:36:22 | hume22 | u think if i flash it it will work |
| 05:36:55 | Madman | it makes your jukebox run from ram so it goes a lot faster and boots faster |
| 05:37:36 | Madman | if i were you, i wouldnt flash it right now. |
| 05:37:38 | hume22 | hmm how long does it take_} |
| 05:37:44 | hume22 | why |
| 05:38:06 | Madman | wait untill i get mine working because i might have found a glitch or something |
| 05:38:20 | Madman | its fast. |
| 05:38:33 | hume22 | ok sounds good |
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| 05:38:50 | hume22 | could it damage it |
| 05:39:14 | NHeal | orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 05:39:14 | NJoin | Ka_ [0] (~tkirk@pcp04776551pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net) |
| 05:39:46 | Madman | it could, but its highly unlikely |
| 05:40:01 | Madman | they just like to put out a disclaimer so that you dont sue them |
| 05:40:10 | hume22 | ok cool |
| 05:40:21 | Madman | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/flash/rockbox_flash_boot.avi |
| 05:40:25 | hume22 | i wonder why they dont put rockbox on the damn thing from the start |
| 05:40:53 | Madman | download that video and see what flashing you rockbox will do |
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| 05:41:21 | hume22 | thanks |
| 05:41:22 | NJoin | Ka_ [0] (~tkirk@pcp04776551pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net) |
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| 05:41:22 | NJoin | ze [20] (psyco@adsl-63-205-46-145.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 05:41:22 | NJoin | mbr [0] (~mb@stz-softwaretechnik.com) |
| 05:41:24 | Madman | and the recorder in the video is the type that i have |
| 05:42:15 | hume22 | cool |
| 05:42:22 | hume22 | it does load a lot faster |
| 05:42:47 | Madman | i dont know if your jukebox is compatible with it though |
| 05:42:54 | hume22 | how long does it take to flash |
| 05:42:57 | hume22 | hmm |
| 05:43:05 | Madman | a few seconds |
| 05:44:24 | hume22 | it says it is compatible but i have to check with a sort of utility |
| 05:47:00 | Madman | oh no... |
| 05:47:37 | Madman | since i flashed it, the firmware is installed in the ram, so i cant delete it. |
| 05:47:46 | Madman | or i dont know how to |
| 05:49:28 | hume22 | hmm |
| 05:50:22 | Madman | wow, it just started to work for no apparent reason |
| 05:50:55 | hume22 | The first is a Recorder, FM Recorder or Recorder V2 model. Be sure you're using the correct package, they are different! The technology works for the Player models, too. Players can also be flashed, but Rockbox does not run cold-started on those, yet. |
| 05:51:00 | hume22 | what those this mean |
| 05:51:15 | hume22 | i mean does |
| 05:52:30 | Madman | cold started means by just pressing on... i thing |
| 05:52:31 | Madman | think |
| 05:53:05 | hume22 | so it might not work |
| 05:54:30 | Madman | it should |
| 05:55:23 | Madman | its working for me now, im going to try to install one of the daily builds |
| 05:55:27 | hume22 | you think i should flash it |
| 05:56:38 | Madman | back up all of your stuff first |
| 05:58:03 | hume22 | to my hard disk |
| 05:58:12 | hume22 | you mean to my pc |
| 05:58:18 | hume22 | or to the same player |
| 05:58:40 | Madman | to the pc |
| 05:58:50 | Madman | im not saying anything is going to happen |
| 05:58:53 | Madman | but just incase |
| 05:59:01 | hume22 | ok lets see |
| 05:59:23 | Madman | by the way, i got mine to work. |
| 05:59:40 | Madman | i held f1 and on to boot it to the original os |
| 05:59:52 | Madman | then i turned it off and booted to rockbox |
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| 06:00:15 | hume22 | cool |
| 06:00:19 | hume22 | im going for it |
| 06:00:21 | Madman | then i had to execute the ucl file to make the dailybuild load up when it boots |
| 06:00:24 | hume22 | hope it works |
| 06:00:41 | Madman | that was for anyone who is going to read the log who had my problem |
| 06:02:20 | Madman | my jukebox is going like 10 times faster now |
| 06:02:58 | Madman | if you get it to work, tell me |
| 06:06:21 | Madman | have you installed it yet? |
| 06:10:18 | Madman | ill be back |
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| 08:21:44 | Bagder | morning |
| 08:21:53 | midk | hey bagder |
| 08:25:38 | * | Bagder hates coming to work only to find that someone took your "target" so now I can't test my code |
| 08:25:51 | midk | :( |
| 08:26:30 | Bagder | btw, I bought a new rec20 from a UK guy last week |
| 08:26:43 | midk | oh, great |
| 08:26:44 | Bagder | not new then, used of course |
| 08:26:47 | midk | when do you get it? |
| 08:26:58 | midk | i doubt you could easily find a new one, they're so old |
| 08:27:00 | Bagder | I hope I'll get it in a few days |
| 08:27:38 | Bagder | I miss my rockbox |
| 08:27:38 | midk | great great |
| 08:27:41 | midk | :) |
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| 11:01:15 | midk|sleep | nite everyone |
| 11:01:25 | Bagder | sweet dreams |
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| 11:44:22 | mbrisou | EHLO |
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| 11:52:22 | kurzhaarrocker | Bagder do you at least have a backup of your music collection? |
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| 12:00:59 | Strath | hey kurzhaarrocker |
| 12:01:31 | kurzhaarrocker | Hi :D |
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| 12:24:31 | Bagder | kurzhaarrocker: I do have my music backed up, so no worries there at least |
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| 12:24:53 | Strath | lol |
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| 14:18:04 | kurzhaarrocker | Is it really desirable to have french text in the wiki? |
| 14:18:27 | kurzhaarrocker | http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/FaqBatteries |
| 14:18:50 | webmind | next to english or french only ? |
| 14:18:52 | Strath | do you realize how many people who speak french there are working on archos stuff? |
| 14:19:16 | kurzhaarrocker | It's a page in french only |
| 14:19:19 | webmind | ah |
| 14:19:26 | webmind | then it could use translation :) |
| 14:19:26 | Strath | (besides archos employees ;) ) |
| 14:19:52 | kurzhaarrocker | To me it seems as it might be a translation of the english battery faq |
| 14:20:16 | webmind | ok |
| 14:21:33 | kurzhaarrocker | Strath: But should we mix the languages within one wiki? |
| 14:22:11 | Strath | up to you... i don't speak french, so it doesn't matter to me ;) |
| 14:23:08 | kurzhaarrocker | The grades I received for my french lessons prove that I don't speak french either. |
| 14:25:10 | webmind | kurzhaarrocker, well demanding english only would not be nice to the french.. and the otherway around for the non-french |
| 14:26:13 | kurzhaarrocker | Is there a wiki-police? :) |
| 14:30:21 | Bagder | you applying for the job? ;-) |
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| 14:30:39 | lImbus | I do speak french, amongst other languages, and it looks to me like JocelynDelalande ist currently translating the BatteryFAQ. |
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| 14:50:03 | amiconn | Hi all |
| 14:50:25 | kurzhaarrocker | Hi amiconn. Any news from the recording-bug front? |
| 14:50:54 | amiconn | Bad news for all core developers: It seems like there is some function in rockbox which trashes innocent memory. |
| 14:51:14 | Bagder | can you repeat the problem? |
| 14:52:19 | amiconn | Unfortunately, this bug is not triggered often, but yesterday I observed the following odd behaviour: |
| 14:53:31 | amiconn | (1) I was listening to some music (shuffled dynamic playlist, created via on+play on the directory and selecting playlist->add) |
| 14:54:08 | amiconn | (2) As I went away for a short time, I only stopped playback, but didn't shut down the box |
| 14:54:48 | amiconn | (3) When I came back, I hit ON to resume, but didn't get the resume question. Instead, it told me about a corrupt playlist control file. |
| 14:55:13 | Bagder | ugh |
| 14:55:28 | amiconn | (unfortunately my brain wasn't fast enough to realize I should save that file for analysis. I didn't have my computer with me) |
| 14:57:01 | amiconn | (4) The file browser was still in the dir where my files are located (via follow playlist = yes). When I hit "Left", it should have gone one dir level up (which it did) - but the cursor was not positioned on the dir I just left, but on some other random file! |
| 14:57:38 | amiconn | (5) Switching the box off and back on returned everything to normal (of course I had to create a new dynamic playlist) |
| 14:58:23 | Bagder | this may explain why others have reported broken playlist control files |
| 14:59:10 | amiconn | That all combined is why I believe there is something trashing other thread's memory - in my case it may have corrupted the playlist control as wel as the browser's dir buffer |
| 14:59:35 | Bagder | I think you're right |
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| 15:00:17 | amiconn | The "only" thing is - we have to find out what it is |
| 15:02:38 | Bagder | yeps, and it is likely hard to repeat using the sim |
| 15:02:46 | amiconn | yup |
| 15:03:47 | amiconn | Yesterday I got an idea how to check if there is something wrong with rombox, i.e. trying to write to the rom - using the user break interrupt feature of the sh1 |
| 15:07:14 | amiconn | I'll look into it this evening - perhaps it may help to get the rombox recording issue sorted |
| 15:16:01 | amiconn | kurzhaarrocker: That recording bug issue is really strange. I'll have to do further test recordings. Maybe the MAS firmware itself has a bug... |
| 15:17:02 | kurzhaarrocker | I still am confused because I never encountered any audiable recording bug problems. But to be honest I usually record with a patched firmware from January/04. |
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| 15:34:56 | amiconn | hi Jörg |
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| 16:46:13 | Lee_ | hey Dstar5 is still here lol |
| 16:46:21 | Lee_ | i was using it on a cell phone |
| 16:46:55 | kurzhaarrocker | ? A jukebox on a phone? |
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| 16:47:15 | Lee_ | no, i was using IRC on a phone |
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| 16:47:45 | * | kurzhaarrocker shakes his head |
| 16:48:01 | dstar5 | i used cgiirc lol |
| 16:49:08 | dstar5 | it didn't work well on the phone |
| 16:49:14 | dstar5 | it was weird |
| 16:49:27 | dstar5 | it had names of pages like fmain, fuserlist, and fmsg |
| 16:49:39 | kurzhaarrocker | Then use a wired phone! MUAHAHAH! |
| 16:49:54 | dstar5 | heh |
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| 16:57:21 | dstar5 | hey [IDC]Dragon |
| 16:57:36 | dstar5 | is that board working yet? :) |
| 16:59:21 | [IDC]Dragon | hi dstar5 |
| 16:59:33 | [IDC]Dragon | I still haven't tried |
| 16:59:41 | [IDC]Dragon | lots of other worries: |
| 16:59:55 | [IDC]Dragon | a HD in my PC died |
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| 17:00:10 | dstar5 | ouchhh |
| 17:00:11 | [IDC]Dragon | a part of a tooth of mine broke off |
| 17:00:20 | dstar5 | ouchhhh |
| 17:00:35 | dstar5 | thats really bad |
| 17:00:37 | [IDC]Dragon | the HD is replaced now, but not my tooth |
| 17:00:45 | dstar5 | :( |
| 17:01:02 | dstar5 | i lost everythig on my drive about 5 times within a week |
| 17:01:14 | dstar5 | turned out to be a bad IDE cable |
| 17:01:37 | [IDC]Dragon | after the first one, it wasn't much to lose, I guess :-( |
| 17:01:59 | dstar5 | yes |
| 17:02:18 | [IDC]Dragon | I was lucky, recovered most of the data |
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| 17:02:34 | | Part oxygen77 ("Cho") |
| 17:02:38 | dstar5 | thats good :) |
| 17:02:48 | dstar5 | what went wrong with it? |
| 17:02:49 | [IDC]Dragon | and bought 2 new disks, I have a RAID now |
| 17:02:57 | dstar5 | nice :) |
| 17:03:03 | [IDC]Dragon | the one just died of age, I guess |
| 17:03:37 | [IDC]Dragon | it still works, but has plenty of errors |
| 17:03:38 | dstar5 | how much storage on the disks? |
| 17:03:49 | [IDC]Dragon | 160 GB each |
| 17:04:01 | [IDC]Dragon | (the broken one, and the 2 new) |
| 17:04:12 | dstar5 | i have 1 160gb drive |
| 17:04:28 | dstar5 | it was very cheap, got it for $90 |
| 17:04:35 | [IDC]Dragon | those are the most economical |
| 17:04:49 | [IDC]Dragon | got mine for %u20AC84 |
| 17:05:00 | [IDC]Dragon | EUR 84, that is |
| 17:05:19 | [IDC]Dragon | about the same, I guess |
| 17:05:27 | dstar5 | ahh, that would be about what i got mine for |
| 17:05:38 | dstar5 | euro/dollar are quite close |
| 17:06:00 | [IDC]Dragon | I wanted a larger one, but they are overproportionally expensive |
| 17:06:07 | [IDC]Dragon | like 300 GB |
| 17:06:26 | [IDC]Dragon | then I remembered the RAID feature of my mainboard |
| 17:06:55 | [IDC]Dragon | works pretty well now, with that disk pair, blazingly fast |
| 17:07:03 | dstar5 | 1 EUR = 1.22005 USD |
| 17:07:07 | dstar5 | 7200rpm? |
| 17:07:11 | [IDC]Dragon | yes |
| 17:07:23 | [IDC]Dragon | and times two, for the stripe |
| 17:07:49 | [IDC]Dragon | Samsung makes very quiet disks |
| 17:07:51 | dstar5 | now what about 2 radtors ;) 10,000 rpm each |
| 17:08:18 | dstar5 | my drive is western digital |
| 17:08:47 | dstar5 | *raptors |
| 17:10:05 | [IDC]Dragon | sounds noisy? |
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| 17:11:03 | dstar5 | no, very quite, except when the drive is powering on, it has a loud spinup |
| 17:11:22 | dstar5 | much quiter than my dads 40gb drive in the same machine' |
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| 17:12:19 | [IDC]Dragon | hi mattzz! |
| 17:12:31 | [IDC]Dragon | home again? |
| 17:13:02 | mattzz | hi joerg - yup |
| 17:13:21 | mattzz | wasp experience... |
| 17:13:49 | [IDC]Dragon | wasp? you got stinged? |
| 17:14:36 | mattzz | we were on that company trip last weekend. Thousands of wasps. Unfortunately the only one who got stinged was my daughter. But she is fine again. |
| 17:15:36 | dstar5 | i am going to go write some c0de |
| 17:15:38 | dstar5 | see you |
| 17:15:55 | mattzz | project camp is finished as well - so we are going back to normal - kind of... |
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| 17:16:37 | [IDC]Dragon | mattzz: didn't know you've got family... |
| 17:16:58 | mattzz | three fine women ;-) |
| 17:17:18 | [IDC]Dragon | three! impressive. |
| 17:17:34 | mattzz | well, two girls, one woman to be precise |
| 17:17:44 | [IDC]Dragon | I suspected that. |
| 17:18:26 | mattzz | Is your phase of bad luck over? |
| 17:19:35 | [IDC]Dragon | no, I need to get this code to work.... ;-) |
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| 18:14:30 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: r u there? |
| 18:14:50 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Yep; just came home :) |
| 18:17:46 | [IDC]Dragon | saw your idea to use the user break controller to trap bad writes, good idea! |
| 18:18:03 | [IDC]Dragon | (poor man's MMU) |
| 18:19:36 | amiconn | yup. Unfortunately the user break controller does only provide control over one area, which must be sized 2^n |
| 18:20:59 | amiconn | Otherwise it could be used to track down other bugs, e.g. the memory trashing I suspect to be the cause for the odd behaviour I expereinced yesterday |
| 18:22:28 | [IDC]Dragon | the ISR can filter that out, but severly degrades performance |
| 18:22:44 | amiconn | I'm actually thinking of a way to do this with the user break controller (by capturing writes to the area that contains the dir browsers buffer, and then filtering in the isr |
| 18:22:52 | amiconn | :) |
| 18:23:21 | amiconn | All that means I have to figure out how to implement such an ISR |
| 18:23:39 | [IDC]Dragon | I once looked into the UBC, to allow gdb to step through ROM |
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| 18:23:48 | _aLF | hi |
| 18:23:56 | [IDC]Dragon | but it turned out impractical |
| 18:24:17 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Iirc the sh1 features a single step mode |
| 18:24:43 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm not aware of that |
| 18:28:00 | [IDC]Dragon | while you do such anvanced stuff, I'll rotate the font, if you don't mind |
| 18:29:46 | amiconn | Ok, I remembered wrong. But it should be possible to mimic a single step mode by utilizing the UBC |
| 18:31:05 | [IDC]Dragon | iirc, branches were an unsolvable problem |
| 18:31:23 | [IDC]Dragon | rendering it useless for a debugger |
| 18:31:30 | [IDC]Dragon | but I don't remember why |
| 18:34:47 | amiconn | Probably because if a user break is triggered by a delay slot instruction, the break interrupt is delayed until after the instruction |
| 18:35:06 | amiconn | (Just reading the notes) |
| 18:45:47 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: For simply capturing writes to the ROM, it looks like I only have to initialize the UBC; the exception is already handled in system.c. Do I miss something? |
| 18:45:48 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: please remind me how we wanted to do font rotation |
| 18:46:09 | [IDC]Dragon | (UBC) sounds OK, yes |
| 18:46:30 | [IDC]Dragon | (font) the glyphs are 16 bit words |
| 18:46:56 | [IDC]Dragon | so using 8 bit (rotated or not) would break compatibility anyway? |
| 18:48:11 | amiconn | Yes and no. The font glyph data is defined as being of bitmap_t type, which is 16bit. |
| 18:48:55 | amiconn | In order to not break compatibility, the pointer itself has to stay that way, that means, each glyph must be short aligned. |
| 18:49:41 | amiconn | This doesn't prevent us to use byte alignment within the glyph, because the actual drawing is handled by lcd_bitmap() |
| 18:50:12 | [IDC]Dragon | and all chars are 6 byte wide, which happens to be even |
| 18:50:25 | amiconn | Yup. |
| 18:50:46 | [IDC]Dragon | got it |
| 18:51:36 | amiconn | So basically, convbdf has to "learn" an additional output format ("rockbox raw"), with the glyphs already rotated and byte packed |
| 18:52:20 | amiconn | Then the makefile has to use that to build font.[ch], and the rotate_font_bits() call taken out from the font init |
| 18:52:38 | [IDC]Dragon | or just change the C output format, we won't use both |
| 18:52:44 | amiconn | Of course the function itself has to stay, because it is needed for loaded fonts |
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| 18:54:13 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Further ideas for font handling: |
| 18:54:36 | amiconn | (1) change the bitmap offsets into an array of short. This would require 2 different font structs, as discussed a while ago |
| 18:56:06 | amiconn | (2) Do the font rotating (and perhaps changing to short offsets) on the fly for loaded fonts too. This would either allow larger fonts with the same font buffer size, or allow us to decrease the fonts buffer size |
| 18:58:17 | amiconn | Font buffer size is currently 9000 bytes |
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| 18:59:27 | dstar5 | yay checkers has a new life in it :) |
| 18:59:33 | dstar5 | i just figured out how to finsih it |
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| 19:14:04 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Capturing ROM writes via UBC works - I can't flash an .ucl with an UserBreak-enabled ajbrec.ajz. It complains about the plugin wanting to write to the ROM |
| 19:17:31 | [IDC]Dragon | whow, that was quick! |
| 19:17:54 | amiconn | It's only 3 lines in system.c :) |
| 19:18:00 | [IDC]Dragon | what do you do in your ISR? |
| 19:18:26 | amiconn | I didn't write a special ISR yet - only capturing the write via the default ISR |
| 19:18:50 | amiconn | BAR = 0x02000000; /* start address of ROM */ |
| 19:18:50 | amiconn | BAMR = 0x003FFFFF; /* match any ROM address */ |
| 19:18:50 | amiconn | BBR = 0x00F8; /* Break on any write access, CPU & DMA, IF & data, any size */ |
| 19:19:47 | [IDC]Dragon | so we won't know who wrote where |
| 19:20:07 | amiconn | If I want to use this for tracking other wrong writes, of course I have to write my own ISR |
| 19:20:10 | [IDC]Dragon | but maybe we don't have to, if everybody behaves |
| 19:20:45 | [IDC]Dragon | btw, you used an old flash plugin? The current one shoudn't run if ROM-based |
| 19:20:50 | amiconn | We will know who writes there, because the default ISR outputs the source address |
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| 19:21:06 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, OK |
| 19:21:31 | [IDC]Dragon | so, go and record (or whatever) |
| 19:21:35 | amiconn | No, I did run the flash plugin from a rolo'ed ajbrec.ajz (which had the rom-write detection enabled) |
| 19:22:01 | etelcontar | hey guys, sorry to interrupt, but I wonder if you can help me out... |
| 19:22:15 | [IDC]Dragon | a flash protection ;-) |
| 19:22:48 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: This was just a first test, now I'll flash an .ucl with that, and try as much functions as I can think of |
| 19:23:05 | amiconn | etelcontar: ? |
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| 19:23:53 | [IDC]Dragon | you have to ask, else I'm afraid we can't help |
| 19:24:20 | etelcontar | hey.. my archos just locked up .. I upgraded to 2.2 the other day and now it is stuck on "error".. any thoughts? |
| 19:24:43 | [IDC]Dragon | what error? when? |
| 19:24:59 | zeekoe | etelcontar: you "upgraded" to 2.2? :-P |
| 19:25:06 | [IDC]Dragon | flashed or regulear disk loading? |
| 19:25:07 | etelcontar | I went to play a tune.. now the LCD diplay just says "Error" |
| 19:25:20 | etelcontar | regular disk loading |
| 19:25:53 | [IDC]Dragon | does it happen again, after power cycling? |
| 19:26:02 | etelcontar | how do you power cycle? |
| 19:26:14 | [IDC]Dragon | shut it off, then on again |
| 19:26:21 | etelcontar | HOW? |
| 19:26:36 | etelcontar | There does not seem to be an "off" switch on this thing |
| 19:26:51 | etelcontar | Studio 20 |
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| 19:27:19 | zeekoe | lol... how do you normally turn it off? |
| 19:27:41 | etelcontar | I set the idle timeout to 1 minute and unplug the power |
| 19:28:39 | zeekoe | hey.. you're right... i can also see just on & menu on studio 20 |
| 19:28:47 | [IDC]Dragon | hold stop for a while |
| 19:29:02 | etelcontar | how long? I did that already |
| 19:29:43 | etelcontar | ok.. that worked! (took about 30 seconds) |
| 19:30:11 | [IDC]Dragon | if it's not crashed, this should be shorter |
| 19:30:25 | [IDC]Dragon | (it's the normal power off, afaik) |
| 19:31:05 | etelcontar | any song I try to play gives me the "Error" |
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| 19:33:47 | dstar5 | could it be there is no .rockbox? |
| 19:33:57 | dstar5 | i am not sure how that errors look on the player |
| 19:36:19 | [IDC]Dragon | etelcontar: you may want to try the Windows installation on the daily build page |
| 19:36:41 | zeekoe | etelcontar: what version did you use before |
| 19:36:44 | etelcontar | do I need a build environment for that? |
| 19:36:50 | [IDC]Dragon | no |
| 19:37:05 | etelcontar | I had 1.4 before (I think) |
| 19:37:18 | zeekoe | ok :) |
| 19:37:25 | zeekoe | you'll be amazed :) |
| 19:37:26 | [IDC]Dragon | it's an install exe that doas everything for you, the most foolproof we have to offer |
| 19:37:51 | etelcontar | ok, I will have to try that wehn I get home .. I have no USB cable here at the office |
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| 19:38:20 | [IDC]Dragon | actually, where is that installer? |
| 19:38:32 | [IDC]Dragon | I thought we have it in the daily build |
| 19:38:54 | dstar5 | we do |
| 19:39:00 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, rightmost column |
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| 19:39:57 | dstar5 | i think that should just be made bold |
| 19:40:00 | [IDC]Dragon | etelcontar: download the upper right link from http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily.shtml |
| 19:40:09 | dstar5 | make it standout for people that are new |
| 19:40:26 | [IDC]Dragon | (most recent Windows installer) |
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| 19:41:05 | zeekoe | maybe put it on the download page |
| 19:41:05 | dstar5 | or just make it seperate from the table, and make it above it |
| 19:44:18 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Good news: rockbox doesn't seem to try writing the rom (in all cases I could test so far) |
| 19:44:45 | dstar5 | bye |
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| 19:45:09 | zeekoe | amiconn: is that good news? |
| 19:45:23 | zeekoe | amiconn: now you still know the answer to the rec problems... |
| 19:46:02 | etelcontar | well, thanks for the info.. I will try the Windows installer tonight. In the mean time.. is there any way I can blow away the archos.mod file and return to the Archos until then? |
| 19:46:23 | etelcontar | without a USB cable that is |
| 19:47:22 | amiconn | zeekoe: No, I still don't know what causes it, but I now know what does not cause it.. |
| 19:48:15 | amiconn | I think I'll have to rely on Linus doing some logic analyzing in order to understand what's going on there |
| 19:49:02 | amiconn | I tried changing the hard mas reset into a soft reset. Unfortunately this didn't help anything |
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| 19:51:39 | amiconn | I just triggered the corrupt playlist control file bug again |
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| 19:53:16 | [IDC]Dragon | oh |
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| 19:58:21 | amiconn | It's actually quite easy to trigger the bug: |
| 19:58:52 | amiconn | (1) Set the cursor over a directory containing music. Do not enter it. |
| 19:59:15 | amiconn | (2) Press On+Play and select playlist->add. The music will start playing |
| 19:59:38 | amiconn | (3) Hit OFF to stop, the hit ON again -> corrupt playlist control file |
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| 20:02:57 | [IDC]Dragon | hooray |
| 20:03:08 | amiconn | So it seems that the playlist control file handling is wrong if the playlist is generated that way. It doesn't have to do with trashed memory |
| 20:03:11 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: ? |
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| 20:14:51 | Strath | the new main page design for http://www.donat.org/archos just went live |
| 20:17:18 | midk | stop advertising. ;) |
| 20:17:42 | Strath | lol |
| 20:17:48 | Strath | i'm not |
| 20:18:27 | Strath | i'm just letting people know so they can marvel at the pretty new main page |
| 20:18:53 | midk | resize those logos in photoshop. |
| 20:18:59 | Strath | ? |
| 20:19:14 | Strath | whats wrong with em? |
| 20:19:52 | midk | pixelated? |
| 20:19:55 | midk | at least in mozilla. |
| 20:20:47 | Strath | what size would you like em? |
| 20:21:29 | midk | the same size... |
| 20:21:36 | midk | dah, they're just pixelated |
| 20:22:04 | Strath | i supose i could blur em a bit |
| 20:22:17 | midk | why are they pixelated? |
| 20:22:32 | midk | take the large rockbox logo and downsize it, not the small one and increase its size. |
| 20:22:32 | Strath | no idea... |
| 20:22:38 | Strath | did |
| 20:22:51 | Strath | rockbox400.png, resized to 200 |
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| 20:23:07 | Strath | thats what it was/is |
| 20:23:29 | Strath | (redid again, looks the same to me) |
| 20:23:40 | midk | looks fine? |
| 20:23:57 | Strath | i didn't say that ;) |
| 20:24:15 | midk | how are you resizing it? |
| 20:28:27 | Strath | bicubic |
| 20:29:24 | Strath | i think i know.... |
| 20:29:33 | Strath | i had left it as indexed colour |
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| 20:31:08 | Strath | better? |
| 20:31:13 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: sorry for not paying attention |
| 20:31:42 | [IDC]Dragon | I think my rotated font works, that distracted me |
| 20:31:47 | midk | stath: ho.. :( |
| 20:31:49 | midk | no* |
| 20:32:27 | midk | http://www.freewebs.com/midky/snapshot1.jpg |
| 20:32:33 | midk | see the rockbox/avos logos at the left |
| 20:34:54 | Strath | wow that looks bad |
| 20:35:04 | Strath | but thats just your libs |
| 20:35:34 | Strath | looks fine in Firefox/win32 |
| 20:35:47 | midk | firefox looks the same |
| 20:36:11 | Strath | you want me to upload a screenshot? |
| 20:36:37 | midk | yes. |
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| 20:37:07 | [IDC]Dragon | hi Jake |
| 20:38:36 | jakesir | hello |
| 20:38:51 | jakesir | what's the latest to my problem? |
| 20:40:28 | Strath | midk, uploading to temp, i'm going to sleep |
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| 20:41:33 | midk | ok |
| 20:41:34 | midk | nite |
| 20:42:10 | [IDC]Dragon | jakesir: you have read my emails? |
| 20:42:21 | jakesir | yeap |
| 20:42:33 | [IDC]Dragon | since then, nothing changed, I had to give up |
| 20:42:59 | [IDC]Dragon | please tell me what to flash on it before returning it |
| 20:43:00 | jakesir | lol |
| 20:43:09 | jakesir | ummm.... 2.2 |
| 20:43:18 | jakesir | and i'm happy to live with that |
| 20:43:20 | [IDC]Dragon | PK |
| 20:43:23 | [IDC]Dragon | OK |
| 20:43:42 | jakesir | does it play alright under 2.2? |
| 20:44:01 | [IDC]Dragon | you shoudn't change that, since your box has this disk read/write problem |
| 20:44:22 | jakesir | ok |
| 20:44:29 | jakesir | i'll stick to 2.2 forever |
| 20:44:36 | midk | boooooo |
| 20:44:45 | [IDC]Dragon | I think it plays, 1 bad bit every 8KB is probably not very audible |
| 20:44:55 | jakesir | hmmmm |
| 20:45:00 | [IDC]Dragon | although I wonder |
| 20:45:07 | jakesir | well, i mainly use it for audio books |
| 20:45:13 | jakesir | so, it won't matter too much |
| 20:45:17 | [IDC]Dragon | have to test, I think I never played mp3 |
| 20:45:53 | jakesir | did you see my HD content of audiobooks? |
| 20:46:06 | [IDC]Dragon | and it has this severe starting problem, at least for me |
| 20:46:44 | [IDC]Dragon | no, I'm too disceet to look at your disk |
| 20:46:44 | jakesir | i have that same starting problem when the box is openned. it goes away when the casing is closed |
| 20:46:50 | jakesir | lol |
| 20:46:52 | midk | haha |
| 20:47:40 | [IDC]Dragon | seriously, I only put Rockbox on and off |
| 20:48:09 | midk | i trust idc |
| 20:48:41 | jakesir | you can delete the whole HD, i don't care |
| 20:48:52 | [IDC]Dragon | no, why should I? |
| 20:49:29 | jakesir | i meant that i have back-ups?? |
| 20:50:51 | jakesir | isn't 2.3 due soon?? it's been 5 month... |
| 20:51:04 | [IDC]Dragon | overdue |
| 20:51:19 | [IDC]Dragon | I could as well put a daily build on it |
| 20:51:26 | jakesir | hmmmm |
| 20:51:29 | jakesir | that's fine |
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| 21:00:06 | midk | allchan say brb |
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| 21:06:26 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: The playlist control file bug isn't reproducable on the sim :( |
| 21:06:46 | [IDC]Dragon | I would have been surprised |
| 21:07:13 | [IDC]Dragon | did I say the rotated font is working? |
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| 21:07:35 | amiconn | So it looks like there might be a bug in either the file handling code (bad) or the fat driver (even worse) :(( |
| 21:07:52 | [IDC]Dragon | on the first shot, I was not prepared for that, suspected some old code to be running |
| 21:08:11 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: (font rotation) nice :) |
| 21:08:50 | [IDC]Dragon | I changed the algorithm to something wrong, to find out if it has an effect, but it did |
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| 21:11:31 | [IDC]Dragon | sorry for uncomfotable playlist control file debugging |
| 21:11:49 | [IDC]Dragon | do you really think it's the file system? |
| 21:11:59 | [IDC]Dragon | not some astray pointer? |
| 21:13:28 | amiconn | What I did understand so far: (1) If a playlist is generated the way I described (via On+Play) on the dir), it is much longer than otherwise - every single file is listed on a separate line |
| 21:14:15 | amiconn | (2) The corrupt files just end prematurely, but not always at the same position (and the position is not sector aligned) |
| 21:17:05 | [IDC]Dragon | I have to leave now. |
| 21:17:23 | [IDC]Dragon | cu guys |
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| 22:09:25 | amiconn | hi Bagder |
| 22:09:32 | Bagder | evening |
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| 22:10:06 | amiconn | Bagder: di you read about my findings about the corrupt playlist control file bug? |
| 22:10:40 | * | Bagder checks |
| 22:12:15 | zeekoe2 | oh... if you're talking about bugs anyway, when you press play, then on, a bit later off, the resume point is set to the point where you pressed on |
| 22:12:23 | zeekoe2 | is that supposed to happen? |
| 22:12:44 | dstar5 | i found a bug in flash |
| 22:12:50 | Bagder | the resume point is set all the time |
| 22:13:00 | zeekoe2 | Bagder: it is??? |
| 22:13:02 | dstar5 | if you are charging using archos firmware, and plug in usb, you get ata error -31 |
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| 22:13:12 | dstar5 | same if you press on when archos charging |
| 22:13:14 | zeekoe2 | Bagder: but now when for example browsing files |
| 22:13:17 | amiconn | dstar5: Yes, we know |
| 22:13:46 | amiconn | dstar5: I found that last week, reported it to [IDC]Dragon, and he said Linus pointed it to him 2 weeks ago... |
| 22:14:19 | amiconn | dstar5: It has to do with the cold start detection not being perfect... |
| 22:14:35 | dstar5 | ok |
| 22:14:58 | dstar5 | time for a new nick |
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| 22:15:40 | zeekoe2 | uh |
| 22:15:43 | zeekoe2 | s/now/not |
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| 22:15:46 | Bagder | amiconn: maybe you should talk to hardeep about that playlist control bug, as he's the author of that |
| 22:16:02 | amiconn | ah |
| 22:16:46 | amiconn | hardeep has been offline for almost 3 weeks now... |
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| 22:30:36 | amiconn | Bagder: It found out some more: If I create a playlist that way, DON'T stop the playback but plug in USB and look into the .playlist_control, it looks alright |
| 22:31:14 | amiconn | After unplugging USB and re-plugging it, it is chopped the same way as it is when I hit OFF to stop |
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| 22:31:31 | Bagder | hm |
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| 22:36:49 | amiconn | hi LinusN |
| 22:37:31 | LinusN | howdy |
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| 22:42:44 | amiconn | LinusN: Read about the .playlist_control woes? |
| 22:43:51 | bagawk | hey LinusN |
| 22:44:04 | bagawk | this is my new nick (i was dstar5) |
| 22:46:09 | LinusN | amiconn: yes |
| 22:46:52 | LinusN | bagawk: hi |
| 22:47:51 | LinusN | i have suspected file system problems for a long time |
| 22:49:34 | amiconn | LinusN: It seems rockbox likes to annoy me - while I try to hunt down one bug (or just want to use it), it presents me with another one :( |
| 22:49:59 | LinusN | welcome to the club... |
| 22:50:44 | LinusN | i have also suspected that the recording bug is a file system problem as well |
| 22:52:07 | LinusN | so, how shuld we implement file/dir move in the UI? |
| 22:53:57 | Bagder | probably cut and paste style |
| 22:54:01 | Bagder | with on+play |
| 22:55:00 | LinusN | my thought as well |
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| 22:55:43 | Zane | Yo |
| 22:55:58 | Zane | who here knows where to get a good chat server? |
| 22:56:38 | amiconn | LinusN: If you decide to do some logic analyzing - could you try to capture the recording init while running from ROM? |
| 22:56:59 | amiconn | LinusN: Changing the hard reset into a soft reset didn't help... |
| 22:57:27 | amiconn | The reset itself worked, but trying to record still hangs at 30 bytes |
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| 22:59:37 | LinusN | amiconn: so the recording bug is still worse in ROM? |
| 22:59:58 | amiconn | It depends about which bug you are talking... |
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| 23:00:14 | LinusN | ah, so the 30-byte bug is only in rom? |
| 23:00:45 | amiconn | The bug which trashes either individual frames or the whole remainder of the file seems to be independent from where rockbox is running |
| 23:01:29 | amiconn | However, the bug where recording hangs after 30 bytes is very prominent when running from rom, and occurs only rarely when running from ram |
| 23:01:33 | LinusN | is it any different if you have prerecording enabled? |
| 23:03:09 | amiconn | (see my description within the Wiki article) |
| 23:03:17 | LinusN | you should try to increase the sleep(20) in init_recording |
| 23:03:21 | amiconn | Hmm, I didn't try prerecording yet |
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| 23:04:33 | amiconn | Yes, increasing the sleep() time within mas_reset() lowers the probability of triggering the bug, but doesn't get rid of it |
| 23:04:39 | LinusN | ic |
| 23:05:05 | LinusN | how long have you set it to? |
| 23:06:11 | amiconn | 200 ms gave me 60% failure rate, 500 ms gave 20% (this is when running from ROM) |
| 23:06:15 | LinusN | amiconn: i'm not talking about the delay in mas_reset()? |
| 23:06:29 | amiconn | Huh? |
| 23:06:38 | LinusN | i'm talking about the sleep(20) in init_recording() |
| 23:07:12 | bagawk | amiconn: leaving the mas_reset() out was a bad thing? |
| 23:07:20 | LinusN | where it waits for a frame to be encoded |
| 23:07:25 | bagawk | (it has been working for me fine) |
| 23:08:07 | LinusN | the mas reset should not be necessary |
| 23:08:13 | amiconn | LinusN: That one I didn't touch (yet) |
| 23:08:19 | LinusN | amiconn: try it |
| 23:09:16 | amiconn | If we leave out the mas_reset() we have to make sure all parameters are reset to default. That's why I tried the soft reset (via the reset bits in the control register) |
| 23:09:47 | amiconn | I still wonder why this hang does (almost) only happen when running from ROM... |
| 23:11:29 | LinusN | 1) timing |
| 23:11:41 | LinusN | 2) write-to-rom |
| 23:12:11 | amiconn | LinusN: There is no write-to-rom, I checked it today (with the help of the user break controller) |
| 23:12:21 | LinusN | ah |
| 23:12:34 | LinusN | so it's probably a timing problem |
| 23:13:24 | amiconn | And the check itself worked perfectly - I stumbled upon it myself when trying to flash an .ucl via an ajbrec.ajz containing that "rom protection" |
| 23:13:57 | amiconn | -> Exception I0C:UserBrk at 0x091F8082 |
| 23:14:06 | amiconn | *poof* |
| 23:18:22 | * | amiconn tries a recording init with sleep(50) - compiling... |
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| 23:23:01 | * | amiconn flashing... |
| 23:23:49 | * | amiconn testing... |
| 23:24:47 | * | LinusN is holding his breath |
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| 23:28:13 | amiconn | Error rate is almost the same - around 65% (20 tries) |
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| 23:28:50 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN almost suffocated... |
| 23:29:11 | [IDC]Dragon | sorry for log-peeking |
| 23:29:23 | LinusN | the 30-byte bug is most likely related to the first-frame "trick" |
| 23:29:40 | LinusN | i have seen it lots of times when developing the init code |
| 23:30:01 | amiconn | Yeah, this took a bit longer because I stumbled once more about my rom-write catch (my flashed .ucl did still do that, so I had to boot with F1+On) |
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| 23:31:14 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: the font file format we use is something "standard"? |
| 23:31:37 | Bagder | nope |
| 23:31:55 | [IDC]Dragon | Rockbox proprietary? |
| 23:32:00 | Bagder | yeps |
| 23:32:01 | amiconn | LinusN: I wonder why that first frame trick is necessary in the first place... |
| 23:32:13 | LinusN | amiconn: what happens if you set the delay to something really long, like half a second? |
| 23:32:19 | LinusN | amiconn: read the comment |
| 23:32:31 | amiconn | sleep(50) _is_ half a second... |
| 23:32:43 | [IDC]Dragon | because I wonder if we should/could make it more efficient |
| 23:32:43 | * | LinusN is silly |
| 23:32:52 | midk | dhahahah what a joker. |
| 23:34:16 | LinusN | amiconn: the irq handler is edge triggered, on the falling edge of EOD |
| 23:34:58 | [IDC]Dragon | well, I'm off for sleep |
| 23:35:07 | amiconn | nite [IDC]Dragon |
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| 23:35:08 | LinusN | the trick records some data, and the drain_dma_buffer() will clear the dma buffer and raise EOD |
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| 23:37:05 | midk|gone | bbl |
| 23:40:01 | amiconn | LinusN: Yes, I read this. But I still don't get 2 things: (1) why the mas doesn't set eod high if it is started in monitoring mode directly, (2) why it shouldn't be sufficient to force it high by reading _without_ recording anything first |
| 23:40:57 | LinusN | 1) This is why i call it "the silly MAS" |
| 23:41:13 | amiconn | (Otherwise I think I shouldn't hurt to do this, and obviously extending that initial recording period doesn't change anything) |
| 23:41:33 | LinusN | 2) clearing an empty dma buffer has no effect |
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| 23:43:49 | amiconn | On a related topic: I tried a 10 hour recording with m/s stereo switched off, and did not get a corrupt file. I'll have to do more tests (with a well-defined source, i.e. CD) to find out if it is really related to the m/s stereo setting |
| 23:44:04 | LinusN | interesting |
| 23:44:39 | amiconn | Maybe the mas firmware has another bug (why else would archos switch off m/s when it is on by default) |
| 23:45:03 | LinusN | could be |
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| 23:47:16 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you have logic analyzer captures of the archos firmware initializing the mas recording mode? |
| 23:47:46 | LinusN | yes |
| 23:47:51 | LinusN | ah, no |
| 23:48:45 | LinusN | btw, are we using B2 versions of the MAS? |
| 23:50:05 | amiconn | Yeps. Most likely all recorder have that version, because if I understand the specs correctly, this is the only version capable of recording |
| 23:50:27 | LinusN | and the black magic is performed? |
| 23:50:33 | amiconn | yup |
| 23:55:38 | amiconn | The following things would be interesting to see as logic analyzer diagrams, containing EOD, PR, /RTW and the i2c communication: |
| 23:55:53 | amiconn | (1) recording init done by archos firmware |
| 23:56:02 | amiconn | (2) recording init done by rockbox |
| 23:56:12 | amiconn | (3) recording init done by rockbox running from rom |
| 23:57:33 | amiconn | (if such complex analysis would be at all possible; and I forgot the mas reset pin) |
| 23:58:55 | amiconn | Btw: the i2c communication would be interesting by itself |
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