00:00:11 | hardeep | nice. |
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00:16:17 | midk | [IDC]Dragon, did you make any Ondio progress? |
00:21:02 | [IDC]Dragon | still beeping |
00:21:02 | [IDC]Dragon | rockbox shows the logo and the port screen |
00:21:57 | midk | very cool |
00:22:15 | midk | but, what do you mean by beeping? it outputs a beep noise through the headphones? |
00:24:46 | [IDC]Dragon | beeping with a continuity tester |
00:24:46 | [IDC]Dragon | to find out what's wired where |
00:25:15 | midk | oh. :) |
00:25:24 | midk | cool cool |
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00:51:40 | midk | brb |
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00:58:45 | midk | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/08/0029253&tid=184&tid=141&tid=190&tid=1 |
00:58:51 | midk | ^ found by strath :) |
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01:04:47 | bagawk | [IDC]Dragon: you got a ondio? |
01:05:01 | [IDC]Dragon | yes |
01:05:49 | bagawk | does rockbox work on it with no changes? |
01:06:05 | [IDC]Dragon | haha |
01:06:39 | bagawk | ? |
01:06:41 | [IDC]Dragon | now tell me where the disk is |
01:07:29 | bagawk | well i though it *could* be possible that there are using some sort of ata-to-flash chip or something |
01:07:32 | lImbus | midk: you should've been here over the (european) day. lot's of requests to get it running |
01:08:11 | midk | lImbus, you mean bagawk perhaps? :) |
01:08:24 | lImbus | no. worse |
01:08:34 | bagawk | i have to go to school again now |
01:08:37 | midk | "it" being.. rockbox on the iriver? |
01:08:42 | bagawk | want be here much in the day |
01:08:50 | lImbus | the ondio is far nearer to get it running than the iriver |
01:09:16 | lImbus | midk: yes |
01:09:20 | midk | could you define "it" then? still no idea what you're talking about |
01:09:28 | lImbus | [01:09] <lImbus> midk: yes |
01:09:29 | midk | aha, yes, sounds interesting of course |
01:10:04 | lImbus | that's why there have been a few ondios bought. |
01:12:55 | bagawk | weird.... |
01:13:00 | lImbus | I ought go to bed now. cya all |
01:13:02 | bagawk | from /. : cience: Robot Eats Flies to Generate Power |
01:13:13 | midk | nite |
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01:16:59 | bagawk | Rockbox Plans Open Source Firmware For iRiver Gear |
01:17:02 | bagawk | neato |
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01:17:06 | bagawk | lol |
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01:17:19 | bagawk | now slashdoted 3 times :) |
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02:02:24 | Studio10 | Can anyone speak to the possibility of using rockbox on a "Studio 10" model? It appears to be very similar to the Studio 6000 shown in the roxkbox documention. Is there a compatibilty list that I am overlooking? Thanks. Dale. |
02:02:55 | midk | rockbox.haxx.se |
02:03:07 | [IDC]Dragon | Studio10: this works |
02:03:14 | midk | your compatibility list is the very first line on the page. |
02:07:30 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: wrong info, the direction of the MAS buffer is fixed :-( |
02:08:54 | amiconn | So mp3 playback is via SDI as well? |
02:09:29 | [IDC]Dragon | must be, haven't checked |
02:34:27 | [IDC]Dragon | goodnight! |
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02:37:11 | amiconn | I'll follow that example |
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09:05:20 | Zagor | morning |
09:06:08 | [IDC]Dragon | hi |
09:06:22 | [IDC]Dragon | the morning after |
09:06:28 | [IDC]Dragon | (slashdot) |
09:07:08 | Zagor | haha |
09:08:23 | Zagor | nice ondio photos. i see you got the lcd off the cpu. |
09:09:11 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, wasn't too difficult |
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09:10:33 | [IDC]Dragon | my build system extension doesn't work for the plugins |
09:11:00 | [IDC]Dragon | (not that Im currently worried to be unable to build Ondio plugins) |
09:11:11 | Zagor | :) |
09:11:30 | dwihno | [IDC]Dragon: Tell us about your progress :) |
09:12:17 | [IDC]Dragon | see wiki |
09:13:34 | * | dwihno goes wiki |
09:14:46 | dwihno | Me likey |
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09:46:05 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: is it still stopping on ata -11? |
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09:46:36 | Bagder | time to remodel the daily build page/table |
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09:47:10 | Zagor | yeah. i think we can simply shorten the names a bit |
09:47:33 | Bagder | possibly |
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09:47:46 | Bagder | but I think it could use a cleanup somehow anyway |
09:48:09 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: still no MMC driver written, sorry ;-) |
09:48:29 | [IDC]Dragon | Bagder: don't include the Ondio yet ;-) |
09:48:34 | Zagor | i thought the mmc was just for expansion? |
09:48:46 | Bagder | [IDC]Dragon: no, but preparing for it can't be bad! |
09:48:52 | [IDC]Dragon | the internal chip is also an MMC |
09:48:56 | Zagor | ok |
09:51:06 | Bagder | Zagor: I think perhaps offerig only the last day's build on the daily-build page, then we have one page for each binary for the last 5-6 days |
09:52:02 | Zagor | yeah |
09:52:41 | Bagder | then we could even possibly have tiny little pictures for each link, like on the download page |
09:53:06 | Zagor | oooh, flashy :) |
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10:14:59 | [IDC]Dragon | hi LinusN! |
10:15:11 | LinusN | hi |
10:18:46 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/dl.cgi?bin=recorder |
10:18:51 | Bagder | as a test |
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10:25:27 | Bagder | do we have a pretty picture for the windows installer? |
10:27:12 | LinusN | nope |
10:28:03 | Bagder | ok, I'll use the rockbox logo instead for now |
10:28:15 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/dl.cgi?bin=install |
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10:31:43 | [IDC]Dragon | bbl |
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10:35:13 | SmoothOperator | hiya |
10:35:17 | LinusN | hola |
10:35:30 | SmoothOperator | Is the Ondio being worked on now? I saw it mentioned on the homepage |
10:35:57 | LinusN | yes |
10:36:05 | SmoothOperator | ok |
10:36:42 | SmoothOperator | if it succeeds i can see this request coming "Make the Ondio play music from its onboard memory and the Multimedia card at the same time" |
10:36:57 | SmoothOperator | because currently u can only use one or the other, not both at the same time |
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10:38:46 | SmoothOperator | welcome back linus |
10:38:51 | LinusN | thx |
10:39:00 | Zagor | in any case, ondio means we need to introduce multi disk support |
10:39:19 | SmoothOperator | was just curious |
10:39:20 | LinusN | yes, we need mmc drivers |
10:39:26 | SmoothOperator | i quite like that new Sony device |
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10:40:17 | SmoothOperator | shame it only plays atrac3 |
10:41:38 | Zagor | well that's sony for you |
10:43:29 | dwihno | :-) |
10:43:36 | dwihno | Zagor doesn't like memory stick either ;) |
10:43:54 | dwihno | I would prefer if my phone supported SD cards instead. |
10:44:06 | LinusN | we don't like any design that locks you into proprietary single-source solutions |
10:44:49 | Zagor | such as rockbox ;) |
10:44:50 | dwihno | true, true |
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10:45:23 | lImbus | bbl |
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10:46:29 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/dl.cgi?bin=source |
10:47:08 | LinusN | Bagder: what's the goal with this exercise? |
10:47:08 | Zagor | Bagder: why the logo? |
10:47:27 | Bagder | ze: because I have pics for the binary downloads |
10:47:32 | Zagor | LinusN: making the daily build page smaller |
10:47:38 | Zagor | Bagder: ah |
10:47:52 | LinusN | i see |
10:48:11 | Zagor | LinusN, Bagder: any objections to replacing the old 2.96 native gcc on labb? |
10:48:22 | Bagder | nope |
10:48:40 | Bagder | Zagor: I already have a 3.4 installed |
10:48:48 | Bagder | /usr/local/gcc34/bin |
10:49:00 | Bagder | 3.4.0 |
10:49:16 | Zagor | ok |
10:49:28 | Zagor | i'm updating binutils anyway |
10:50:12 | Bagder | consider the sh-elf upgrade too |
10:50:30 | Zagor | yeah that's why i need to upgrade binutils :) |
10:50:36 | Bagder | aha |
10:54:19 | SmoothOperator | will MP3 ever die away in favour of these DRM enabled WMAs, AACs ATRAC3s and what not? |
10:54:48 | dwihno | Nay |
10:55:05 | dwihno | In their DRMs ;) |
10:55:15 | dwihno | dreams. get it? hahaha :) |
10:55:26 | SmoothOperator | well its what the record companies want |
10:55:30 | SmoothOperator | drm enabled players |
10:55:35 | SmoothOperator | no more simple dragging and droppin |
10:55:51 | Bagder | ok, try http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily.shtml now |
10:56:28 | Bagder | a bit simplistic still, but it is fewer links now |
10:57:05 | dwihno | Bagder: Imho, there should be small images of the units :) |
10:57:12 | SmoothOperator | In the UK its dangerous to wear Ipod headphones |
10:57:39 | LinusN | Bagder: i like it |
10:57:51 | dwihno | SmoothOperator: How come? |
10:57:56 | Zagor | weird, i can't get cross-gcc 3.4.2 to build |
10:58:12 | Bagder | dwihno: yes, that's my plan as well |
10:58:13 | SmoothOperator | because wearing those ipod headphones marks you as an ipod owner and you will get beaten up for your ipod |
10:58:53 | dwihno | Bagder: swell! \o/ |
10:58:56 | SmoothOperator | im not joking |
10:59:09 | dwihno | SmoothOperator: they hate it that much? |
10:59:43 | Zagor | dwihno: no doofus, they steal it. like mobile phones. |
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11:00:03 | dwihno | Zagor: :O |
11:00:12 | dwihno | Sorry, I wasn't thinking |
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11:01:20 | dwihno | Zagor: they want that piece of junk? perhaps they sell the batteries ;) |
11:01:45 | SmoothOperator | the ipod cant be a piece of junk if everybody wants one |
11:02:04 | Zagor | people buy whatever is marketed. the ipod is marketed, ergo people buy the ipod |
11:02:23 | SmoothOperator | so if the archos had the same publicity would it sell the same way? |
11:02:39 | Zagor | no they are not comparable |
11:02:48 | SmoothOperator | both HD MP3 players |
11:03:19 | Zagor | archos is a 2.5" player (100gig), ipod is an 1.8" player. not the same thing. |
11:03:25 | SmoothOperator | anyway guys i've got to go to work |
11:03:55 | Zagor | most people prefer the smaller type |
11:04:00 | SmoothOperator | yea |
11:04:01 | SmoothOperator | seeya |
11:04:03 | Zagor | bye |
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11:07:26 | Zagor | can't find any cheap used iHPs |
11:07:43 | Zagor | the used cost about the same as the new, since people are buying them new at expensive places... |
11:08:10 | [av]bani | heh, ihp is hefty enough it could run uclinux |
11:08:16 | [av]bani | without problems |
11:08:21 | Zagor | yup |
11:08:28 | [av]bani | quite unlike trying to shoehorn it into archos |
11:09:04 | [av]bani | just about any audio format should be doable, and i dont know why iriver finds it so hard to make gapless mp3 |
11:09:05 | Zagor | yeah, but theres not much point in running linux on it |
11:09:28 | [av]bani | im guessing they bought 3rd party binaries and were only able to glue them together |
11:09:36 | [av]bani | they have no idea how the internals work or dont have the source or something |
11:09:49 | Bagder | with Linux you'd get a whole lot of tools not made to run on a portable harddisk player |
11:09:52 | * | dwihno bought his archos thanks to Zag, Bag and Linus |
11:10:05 | Zagor | gapless mp3 is difficult because mp3 doesn't actually support it |
11:10:09 | [av]bani | not much point yeah, but itd be cool :) |
11:10:15 | [av]bani | worlds smallest linux :) |
11:10:39 | Zagor | so you need to perform various hacks to workaround a limitation in the format |
11:10:43 | [av]bani | zagor yeah, but there are good mp3 implementations which do a reasonably good job at cut+paste |
11:11:11 | [av]bani | the rio does it, so its possible |
11:11:20 | Bagder | dwihno: check the daily build page now |
11:11:21 | Zagor | yeah, so I've been told |
11:11:41 | [av]bani | anyone know if the ihp actually runs at 140mhz? |
11:11:56 | [av]bani | the coldfire part is clocked at 140, but does the iriver run it that fast |
11:12:03 | [av]bani | seems awfully fast for a portable |
11:12:04 | Zagor | dunno yet |
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11:12:16 | [av]bani | seems to me that would eat a lot of power |
11:12:19 | Zagor | well you need a bit of juice to decode ogg and mp3 |
11:12:28 | Zagor | not to mention encode |
11:12:35 | [av]bani | not really, the ipod can just do ogg in software |
11:12:41 | [av]bani | and its not a screamer |
11:12:49 | [av]bani | course they use integerized ogg, but still |
11:13:12 | [av]bani | hmm |
11:13:20 | Zagor | ipod is a dual arm-7, not the same thing |
11:13:27 | Zagor | also it doesn't encode ogg, does it? |
11:13:47 | Zagor | real-time, i mean |
11:14:07 | [av]bani | ooh, haha |
11:14:15 | [av]bani | coldfire is 68k core, cool |
11:14:21 | [av]bani | i grew up on 68k asm ;) |
11:14:22 | dwihno | Bagder: Looks great! A small note though... I keep a 1600x1200 resolution... Are you sure 1024 width persons will see it? |
11:14:31 | dwihno | It's a bit wide |
11:14:48 | [av]bani | no, but the iriver doesnt encode ogg either ;) |
11:14:51 | Bagder | I could split it in two lines |
11:15:11 | Zagor | don't. it works fine this way. |
11:15:17 | dwihno | Perhaps V2 units on the second line? |
11:15:38 | Bagder | it'll need to be split if we get ondio in there |
11:15:39 | Zagor | [av]bani: well does the ipod encode mp3 then? |
11:15:51 | dwihno | a <br /> after the images perhaps? |
11:16:08 | [av]bani | i dont think the ipod does encoding at all |
11:16:18 | Bagder | dwihno: ah, right |
11:16:31 | Zagor | dwihno: no need, browsers wrap it anyway. try it. |
11:16:48 | dwihno | ah |
11:16:53 | Zagor | [av]bani: that's what i thought too. hence it doesn't need as much power. |
11:16:55 | dwihno | Zagor: you're so right |
11:17:00 | LinusN | the iriver has an 11.2896MHz oscillator, and uses an internal PLL to generate the CPU clock |
11:17:26 | LinusN | and i'm pretty sure that the clock can be adjusted in real time |
11:17:28 | [av]bani | programmable pll? |
11:17:37 | LinusN | yes |
11:17:52 | [av]bani | hm, wonder if the coldfire tolerates realtime freq changes |
11:17:54 | LinusN | so we can run on a lower frequency for playback, and boost it for encoding |
11:18:09 | Zagor | yes, i would expect the clock to be adjusted to not waste cycles/power |
11:19:10 | [av]bani | 8k icache, thats huge for an embedded device |
11:19:15 | Bagder | bbl |
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11:19:47 | [av]bani | http://www.freescale.com/files/graphic/block_diagram/MCF5249diagram.gif |
11:19:50 | [av]bani | on-cpu pll? |
11:20:08 | [av]bani | woo, embedded ide? |
11:20:11 | LinusN | there is an internal pll, yes |
11:20:20 | LinusN | and it can be reprogrammed in real-time |
11:20:34 | LinusN | you enter the "pll bypass mode" while doing it |
11:20:44 | LinusN | running directly from the oscillator |
11:21:00 | LinusN | then you switch back after reprogramming the pll |
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11:21:14 | Zagor | 96k sram. we can fit half our code in there :) |
11:21:15 | [av]bani | ah, so keeps it running albeit slowly :) |
11:21:33 | [av]bani | thats not counting the sdram |
11:21:49 | Zagor | yup |
11:22:01 | LinusN | the sdram is not clocked from the pll |
11:22:02 | [av]bani | course theres unlimited storage on disk really |
11:22:38 | [av]bani | put a barebones kernel in flash, and put all the interesting app stuff on disk |
11:22:50 | Zagor | sram is faster, thus you want frequently used code there. on archos we just have a few k sram |
11:23:02 | [av]bani | so you dont have to worry about torching your ihp with upgrades |
11:23:15 | [av]bani | anyone know whats up with the emu? |
11:23:16 | Zagor | that makes it slow. we'll flash everything. |
11:23:24 | Zagor | ...eventually |
11:23:31 | Zagor | during development, disk loading is better |
11:23:47 | [av]bani | well, if the feature set outgrows flash |
11:24:07 | [av]bani | people are asking for sid etc :) |
11:24:14 | Zagor | then we'll solve it somehow. that will take quite a while though... :) |
11:24:24 | [av]bani | so you can just store plugins on disk |
11:24:31 | Zagor | we do that today, yes |
11:24:57 | [av]bani | iriver is going to be a huge step up from the constraints you had :) |
11:25:16 | [av]bani | huge flash, fast cpu with big caches and ram |
11:25:25 | [av]bani | and all sorts of on cpu goodies |
11:25:25 | Zagor | in terms of ram and flash, yes. but the feature set is pretty much the same. |
11:26:09 | LinusN | ah, i was wrong, the sdram clock seems to be derived from the pll :-( |
11:26:31 | Zagor | LinusN: well that's bad for performance but good for power :) |
11:27:05 | [av]bani | ooh, heh |
11:27:20 | [av]bani | sdram may not tolerate wild speed changes |
11:27:55 | Zagor | we'll find out... |
11:28:00 | LinusN | yup |
11:30:05 | [av]bani | i'm guessing the LW052A is used to select between the dsp and the FM radio |
11:30:08 | [av]bani | make sense? |
11:30:44 | LinusN | yup |
11:31:05 | [av]bani | one way to make sure i guess would be to put a probe on the pins and watch :) |
11:31:17 | LinusN | yup |
11:31:19 | LinusN | lunch time |
11:31:25 | Zagor | lunch time, see you in an hour or so |
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11:31:51 | [av]bani | also the cpu has to know when the usb bridge chip is activated or not, im guessing one of the gpio pins is hooked up |
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12:56:43 | [IDC]Dragon | hi amiconn, I didn't see you sneak in |
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13:06:08 | lImbus | amiconn: vbrfix did the job with my big recorded file for winamp, but CoolEdit still cuts it. |
13:06:27 | lImbus | so everybody keep in mind CoolEdit is a silly biatch ;-) |
13:08:22 | * | LinusN has an iriver ihp-120 now |
13:08:44 | | Nick Zagor|lunch is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
13:08:47 | [IDC]Dragon | that was quick |
13:08:52 | Zagor | shopping is fun :) |
13:08:55 | LinusN | zagir and i bought it over lunch |
13:09:01 | LinusN | zagor |
13:09:15 | LinusN | we have a huge problem |
13:09:19 | [IDC]Dragon | buy 10 pizza, get one free? |
13:09:24 | LinusN | i can't see any LED! |
13:09:30 | LinusN | no blinking |
13:09:37 | [IDC]Dragon | the Ondio also has none! |
13:09:40 | Zagor | we need another platform |
13:09:50 | LinusN | project 1: add a LED |
13:09:51 | Zagor | we can't work without led |
13:10:06 | [IDC]Dragon | 1st mod |
13:10:14 | LinusN | YES! |
13:10:22 | LinusN | there are two leds on it |
13:10:33 | LinusN | phew |
13:11:15 | Zagor | where? |
13:11:59 | LinusN | above the joystick, two thin "stripes" |
13:12:08 | LinusN | rounded |
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13:12:31 | LinusN | i wonder how long it takes to charge... |
13:12:37 | Zagor | weird place |
13:13:14 | Zagor | can you believe with that massive display they only use four lines of text!? |
13:13:24 | LinusN | for real? |
13:13:38 | Zagor | that's what the marketing material i found says anyway |
13:13:53 | Zagor | i guess we'll find out when the battery wakes up :) |
13:14:41 | LinusN | yup |
13:14:49 | [IDC]Dragon | you can't use it yet? |
13:14:54 | LinusN | no |
13:15:03 | LinusN | that's why i didn't see the leds |
13:15:10 | dwihno | LinusN: Phew! A unit without a led... How could we live without RLD; ) |
13:15:33 | LinusN | the left led is green, i don't know which color the other one is :-) |
13:15:41 | dwihno | it'll be a surprise |
13:15:42 | dwihno | red? :) |
13:15:56 | [IDC]Dragon | blue, pink, white? |
13:16:08 | LinusN | i must resist the urge to take it apart until i see that it's working |
13:16:22 | LinusN | that was a pain with my fm recorder |
13:16:31 | [IDC]Dragon | I know that feeling |
13:16:36 | LinusN | but as soon as i saw it was working, i took it apart |
13:16:38 | [IDC]Dragon | had it yesterday |
13:17:18 | [IDC]Dragon | sniff, you guys drag all the attention from my little ondio project |
13:17:39 | * | dwihno thinks how you guys must be during christmas when it comes to opening presents |
13:18:07 | [IDC]Dragon | they must have screws |
13:18:09 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: yeah, that's bad in a sense |
13:20:42 | * | Zagor cheers for [IDC]Dragons ondio project :) |
13:20:57 | dwihno | Me too! |
13:20:58 | Lynx_ | [IDC]Dragon: i have a notion your ondio project may finish earlier tho ;-) |
13:21:01 | dwihno | Hooray for Jörg! |
13:21:07 | [IDC]Dragon | sob, thanks ... |
13:21:39 | dwihno | Now get to work ;) |
13:21:56 | [IDC]Dragon | sir, yes sir |
13:21:58 | dwihno | Nah |
13:22:02 | dwihno | Here. Have a cookie. |
13:24:01 | [IDC]Dragon | bah |
13:25:28 | dwihno | Swedish guys, you know how the semesterersättning works? |
13:26:49 | zeekoe | dwihno: is that about school? |
13:26:56 | zeekoe | dwihno: i might have the same thing |
13:27:19 | zeekoe | until last year it was 42 points, 42 weeks, 3 trimesters |
13:27:56 | LinusN | it looks like the MAD decoder is a very good candidate for the iriver |
13:28:22 | zeekoe | now it's 60 ECTS (European CrediT System or so :P), 40 weeks, 2 semesters (2 weeks less school! :)) |
13:28:54 | LinusN | encoding is a totally different beast |
13:30:09 | zeekoe | LinusN: for what i'm reading now, MAD seems to use 24 bits, dithered to 16 |
13:30:14 | zeekoe | wouldnt that be slow? |
13:31:00 | dwihno | zeekoe: njae, I'm working full time. I'm no student. |
13:32:03 | zeekoe | dwihno: ok... i just read something about holiday pay or so... i was thinking of the wrong thing :) |
13:32:05 | Lynx_ | do all of you core developers work in the software/electronics business? |
13:32:32 | dwihno | zeekoe: heh, ok |
13:33:31 | [IDC]Dragon | I do |
13:33:31 | LinusN | the left led is a charge indicator and the right one is a hdd indicator |
13:33:49 | Zagor | Lynx_: yes |
13:33:53 | [IDC]Dragon | is the right one red? |
13:34:37 | LinusN | don't know |
13:34:56 | [IDC]Dragon | else the platform is incompatible |
13:35:15 | zeekoe | not for the (color) blind people |
13:35:25 | zeekoe | they can still use it |
13:39:30 | ashridah | LinusN: yes, the HDD light is red |
13:39:40 | ashridah | the charging light is green |
13:39:46 | * | ashridah looks at his just to his right |
13:40:05 | LinusN | ok |
13:40:17 | LinusN | so it can be RLD compatible :-) |
13:40:29 | ashridah | RLD? |
13:40:30 | LinusN | "RLD inside" |
13:40:34 | zeekoe | but it doesnt have a hard disk, has it? |
13:40:47 | ashridah | zeekoe: the H series? yes it does. |
13:40:49 | LinusN | Red LED Death, a "famous" rockbox hard disk problem |
13:41:04 | zeekoe | or are you talking about the iRiver now? |
13:41:17 | dwihno | \o/ RLD compatibility \o/ |
13:41:17 | ashridah | zeekoe: i am |
13:41:25 | ashridah | red led death? |
13:41:32 | ashridah | is there an entertaining backstory to this? |
13:41:32 | zeekoe | ooooh... i was thinking about the ondio |
13:41:42 | * | Zagor is removing all iriverlounge.de quotes from the wiki, to end the complaints |
13:42:01 | zeekoe | 1) turn on your archos, hd spins up 2) shake it a bit 3) you get the red light of death |
13:42:18 | ashridah | zeekoe: nice. |
13:42:32 | ashridah | zeekoe: that said, iriver make flash and cd-based players. |
13:42:34 | LinusN | "a bit" |
13:42:44 | LinusN | i have to shake it like hell to get rld |
13:43:06 | ashridah | my player takes longer to boot if i'm moving about while it's booting, but that's about it |
13:43:37 | ashridah | the drive probably takes longer to stabilise. |
13:44:04 | LinusN | it's the same on most players, including archos |
13:44:04 | zeekoe | when i put the v1 recorder in my pocket, when starting to drive away with my bike, i really have to be careful the first few seconds (when the hd spins) or a RLD will appear |
13:44:10 | ashridah | the original unit i had had a weird bug when it got warm from use or being in a pocket, although i got it replaced the moment i found out how to reproduce it |
13:44:18 | LinusN | the rld problem applies to only a few hard disk models |
13:44:55 | zeekoe | like hitachi dk23da-20...? :S |
13:45:39 | dwihno | I got a hitachi disk as well |
13:46:01 | LinusN | zeekoe: that one, yes |
13:46:02 | dwihno | And I never got the RLD using the original IBM disk |
13:46:17 | ashridah | the drive in my iriver is a toshiba MK4004GAH |
13:49:34 | zeekoe | 40GB? |
13:50:00 | amiconn | zeekoe: (MAD using 24 bits): Of course this is slower than 16bits, but still should be possible on 140 MHz Coldfire in realtime. It is possible in realtime on 68060 with 50 MHz |
13:50:30 | ashridah | zeekoe: yeah. |
13:51:05 | LinusN | mad should be possible, especially if we make use of the MAC |
13:53:06 | dwihno | Too many abbreviations! %/ |
13:53:42 | LinusN | ?Too many abbrev error: -493 |
13:54:29 | Zagor | anyone looked at MAD before (i.e. anyone volunteering?) |
13:55:06 | Zagor | that's one thing we can start with right away, even before we can run anything on the target |
13:55:13 | Zagor | same with ogg (tremor) |
13:55:23 | dwihno | MAC is ... ? |
13:56:33 | dwihno | a DAC but manually instead of digitally? |
13:57:01 | Zagor | Multiply And Accumulate, it's a part of the processor |
13:58:24 | dwihno | ah |
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14:00:25 | [IDC]Dragon | I very briefly worked with MAD |
14:00:41 | [IDC]Dragon | but I'm booked |
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14:01:10 | zeekoe | [IDC]Dragon: you should look at the ondio first, and better charging code :) |
14:01:16 | Nire-work | hey everyone |
14:01:20 | LinusN | hey |
14:01:29 | Nire-work | just wanted to say thanks for taking on the iRiver port !! |
14:01:37 | Nire-work | I'm very excited about this |
14:01:47 | Zagor | Nire-work: have you worked with MAD or Tremor? ;) |
14:02:02 | Nire-work | nope |
14:04:11 | [IDC]Dragon | zeekoe: I didn't do that charging code |
14:05:33 | LinusN | no, but you should fix it :-) |
14:05:51 | LinusN | only germans are allowed to work on the charging code |
14:06:41 | zeekoe | [IDC]Dragon: i recall you once speaking of a redo of the charging code |
14:06:47 | LinusN | we all do |
14:06:58 | zeekoe | [IDC]Dragon: may be me though, being weird |
14:07:04 | LinusN | in the terms of "someone should fix this" |
14:08:51 | zeekoe | not that i need it... right now... although i just bought some stuff to finally complete my charger |
14:09:18 | zeekoe | a 7805 plus 5.1V zener should be able to make 10V, doesn't it? |
14:09:38 | zeekoe | or 10.1V |
14:11:04 | amiconn | zeekoe: Or just use a 7810 |
14:11:12 | zeekoe | couldnt get one |
14:11:21 | zeekoe | 7809 were sold out too |
14:12:00 | zeekoe | i think i'll just try, if it doesnt work i blow up about 25 eurocents |
14:13:20 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN, zeekoe: yes, the charging is something I'm at least annoyed by |
14:13:54 | [IDC]Dragon | I sortof have it on my list |
14:14:05 | [IDC]Dragon | lacking the motivation |
14:14:14 | zeekoe | lol... i know that |
14:14:23 | zeekoe | if i could only buy motivation :P |
14:16:54 | amiconn | LinusN: r u there? |
14:17:16 | LinusN | yup |
14:18:40 | amiconn | Would you mind if I extend screen_dump() to take a parameter? (The filename it should use; if you hand it a NULL pointer, it would still compose the filename as it currently does) |
14:19:14 | amiconn | Then this can be put into the plugin api, for use by e.g. etchasketch |
14:19:33 | zeekoe | whee :) |
14:21:31 | LinusN | amiconn: good idea |
14:22:08 | amiconn | zeekoe: The inverse function (bmp loading) is on it's way too... |
14:22:37 | [IDC]Dragon | but not a generic bmp load, I hope |
14:22:46 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Why not? |
14:22:56 | [IDC]Dragon | in the core? |
14:23:02 | amiconn | No, as a plugin lib |
14:23:22 | [IDC]Dragon | bmp can have so many formats |
14:24:07 | amiconn | Well, it won't support all formats, only uncompressed one. I'll try to get it supporting 1/4/8/24 bits depth though |
14:24:08 | [IDC]Dragon | bitmap, palette, true color, reverse or forward lines, even compression |
14:26:40 | Zagor | bmp is a lovely format... |
14:27:23 | amiconn | Imho bmp is much easier than jpeg. I tried to understand that idct stuff... |
14:27:37 | Zagor | tiff! :) |
14:28:19 | amiconn | urgs |
14:29:09 | [IDC]Dragon | jpeg has also a lot of flavours, but most are not popular |
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14:33:38 | zeekoe | amiconn: cool! (a bit late :-)) |
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14:41:53 | Zagor | neato, the DAC supports 24-bit audio |
14:42:12 | Zagor | and so does libmad |
14:42:23 | zeekoe | enough leeching done @100mbit :-) /me -> home |
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14:45:07 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Could you extend descramble.c the same way you extended scramble.c? |
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14:47:01 | * | Bagder made an "windows installer" picture |
14:47:18 | Zagor | cute |
14:47:33 | Bagder | just to have something |
14:48:18 | amiconn | Bagder: The lower right corner deliberately left free for adding the Ondio? ;) |
14:48:41 | Bagder | well, there are only three images so... :-) |
14:51:21 | LinusN | Bagder: i have an iriver on my desk |
14:51:27 | Bagder | cool |
14:51:33 | Bagder | does it run rockbox yet? ;-P |
14:51:45 | LinusN | :-) |
14:51:46 | * | Bagder ducks |
14:52:43 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: does it need extension? |
14:52:56 | [IDC]Dragon | I thought it is less picky |
14:53:10 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Didn't try it yet |
14:53:36 | [IDC]Dragon | complained first ;-) |
14:53:43 | amiconn | Bagder/ Zagor/ LinusN: Still no sh-elf-gcc 3.3.x on haxx.se? :( |
14:54:12 | Zagor | no. i failed building it for some reason |
14:54:23 | Bagder | did the newlib trick? |
14:54:40 | Zagor | no, but 3.4.2 failed too, which shouldn't need that |
14:54:58 | Bagder | right |
14:55:04 | Zagor | same error: "as: unrecognized option `-big'" |
14:55:07 | Bagder | 3.3.4 failed for me as well, even with the newlib trick |
14:55:36 | Bagder | brb |
14:55:36 | Zagor | i thought my binutils was too old, but nope same error with latest |
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14:59:11 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I thought both tools are symmetric |
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15:00:01 | ashridah | hm |
15:00:12 | ashridah | what happened to the scans of the iriver PCB in the wiki? |
15:01:02 | ashridah | ah, nevermind. earlier revision of the page still has them. |
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15:06:37 | ashridah | LinusN: you've got the H120 correct? |
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15:07:14 | Zagor | ashridah: I removed them since people from iriverforum.de complained. we'll make new ones and put up tonight |
15:07:27 | ashridah | ah, so they weren't taken by you? fair enough |
15:07:49 | LinusN | i just tested the iriver |
15:07:58 | LinusN | the remote is übercool |
15:08:27 | ashridah | LinusN: it is handy, yes. works in the 3xx series, although the 3xx only comes with a remote keypad, you can order them separately |
15:08:29 | LinusN | but the ui gets on my nerves |
15:08:51 | ashridah | getting used to the keys takes a bit |
15:08:59 | LinusN | indeed |
15:09:01 | ashridah | i can use it unconciously now |
15:09:34 | LinusN | just that any false keypress takes you back to the playing screen annoys the hell out of me |
15:10:58 | midk | their menu system isn't too good |
15:11:14 | midk | it's like.. up = back, down = "enter", right = down, left = up, no? |
15:11:21 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: the decramble tool doesn't need to verify the "device ID", for us it's ok if it just descrambles |
15:11:38 | [IDC]Dragon | using the -fm or -v2 option will do |
15:11:41 | ashridah | midk: uh. no |
15:12:12 | midk | oh, good.. i had (have) an ifp-395t.. it's funky like that |
15:13:03 | ashridah | midk: the nav stick is 'left = up directory' 'right = into directory/play file' 'up = go up an entry' 'down = go down an entry' |
15:13:15 | ashridah | although the remote's a little more fiddly |
15:13:50 | midk | i was talking about the menus.. i wasn't sure if they'd extended the stupidity to the browser too ;) |
15:14:04 | midk | ifp-395t works like that in the browser, yeah |
15:14:11 | midk | but the menu is really odd |
15:14:52 | ashridah | the menu doesn't quite work the same. you have to click the nav stick to enter an item, but left still pulls you back up a level in the menu. |
15:15:48 | midk | mhm, that's better than the ifp series then |
15:17:10 | ashridah | isn't the ifp a lot more compact? |
15:17:28 | midk | yes, flash player.. |
15:19:30 | Zagor | ah, found my mistake with crossgcc. 3.3.4 compiling now. |
15:19:58 | LinusN | Zagor: what was it? |
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15:20:19 | Zagor | i didn't use a −−prefix where it could find the sh binutils |
15:20:28 | midk | i've used an online h-1xx |
15:20:42 | LinusN | Zagor: you should set the PATH |
15:20:43 | midk | it was a java app or something, can't remember where |
15:20:47 | ashridah | midk: an online h-1xx? |
15:20:49 | ashridah | ah |
15:20:51 | Zagor | LinusN: that doesn't matter |
15:20:53 | ashridah | weird |
15:20:53 | Bagder | I find the name "h1xx" funnily close to "haxx" |
15:20:59 | Zagor | s/matter/help |
15:21:16 | LinusN | true, you need both a prefix and a path |
15:23:22 | Zagor | bah, too early. now it claims to not find sh-elf-ar, even though it's in the path |
15:24:01 | Bagder | its funny how it always fail in different ways to different people |
15:24:09 | Zagor | yeah |
15:25:46 | LinusN | you often need to configure everything from scratch when you have made a mistake |
15:26:09 | LinusN | re-running configure again with different parameters is often not enough |
15:26:21 | LinusN | and i hope you did install binutils? |
15:34:27 | Zagor | yup |
15:34:57 | Zagor | trying a clean configure |
15:51:37 | LinusN | the hdd led seems to be connected directly to the hdd |
15:53:21 | dwihno | that sux |
15:53:26 | dwihno | lame solution |
15:54:03 | Zagor | lame for us, but not necessarily a lame solution if all you want is a hd led. |
15:54:17 | Zagor | i hope the left one is controllable at least |
15:54:31 | dwihno | What if you want to switch disk? |
15:55:42 | Zagor | well i don't think the led is disk-specific. it just connects to the ata controller or something like that. |
15:55:57 | Zagor | (guessing wildly) |
15:56:14 | dwihno | ah. |
15:56:15 | dwihno | okay |
15:56:29 | dwihno | I need sleep. |
15:56:31 | dwihno | That's for sure |
15:57:19 | LinusN | we'll see when i open it up |
15:57:33 | [IDC]Dragon | still closed? |
15:57:38 | [IDC]Dragon | ;-) |
15:57:38 | Zagor | wuss! |
15:57:56 | [IDC]Dragon | how do you know about the LED connection then? |
15:58:03 | Zagor | still the sh-elf-ar problem :( |
15:58:13 | LinusN | it updates the free space info when it leaves usb mode |
15:58:27 | Zagor | does it flash in usb mode? |
15:58:32 | LinusN | Zagor: do you use the same prefix for both binutils and gcc? |
15:58:37 | Zagor | yes |
15:58:54 | LinusN | Zagor: no, you copy the file and then perform the flashing |
15:59:28 | Zagor | no i mean does the led flash when you modify the disk in usb mode |
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16:04:39 | LinusN | yes, that's why i think it's connected to the hd |
16:05:20 | Zagor | that's what I thought. and i agree. |
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16:10:32 | Bagder | http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=120953&cid=10193713 |
16:10:36 | Bagder | :-) |
16:11:01 | Bagder | and no, I didn't write that myself |
16:11:29 | dwihno | I agree too! :) |
16:11:43 | dwihno | (just to join the cool commenting crew) |
16:14:09 | LinusN | Bagder: congrats |
16:15:10 | Bagder | I noticed slashdot climbing as referer to the curl site |
16:15:14 | Zagor | hehe |
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16:37:00 | Scion | . |
16:37:34 | zeekoe | , |
16:37:39 | Scion | hehe :p |
16:38:28 | Scion | im having some trouble with my archos jukebox recorder |
16:38:37 | Scion | just installed the rockbox 2.2 firmware |
16:39:22 | zeekoe | what trouble? |
16:39:29 | zeekoe | have you tried the latest version? |
16:39:47 | Scion | yes ive tried it |
16:39:59 | Scion | i get the 'dir buffer is full' error |
16:40:21 | Scion | but even tho i change the max 'files in dir' to say 2000 |
16:40:28 | Scion | i get the same when i boot it up again |
16:40:30 | Scion | and its back at 50 |
16:41:01 | zeekoe | tried this? http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily.shtml |
16:41:39 | Scion | yes, i tried it as well |
16:42:04 | Scion | i can try again tho |
16:42:46 | LinusN | Scion: we have put some documentation on our home page |
16:42:54 | LinusN | there is a FAQ |
16:43:04 | LinusN | and the FAQ contains your question |
16:43:07 | LinusN | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#76 |
16:43:31 | Scion | yea i read it earlier, did what it says too |
16:43:38 | Scion | but it still doenst work :( |
16:43:53 | Scion | mabye im doing something wrong.. |
16:44:03 | LinusN | did you force a disk spinup? |
16:44:09 | Scion | yea, with the usb cable |
16:44:28 | LinusN | try doing it by playing some music instead |
16:44:59 | Scion | hm, how? i get nothing on my screen unless im in the option menus |
16:45:16 | LinusN | try pressing F2 and change the file filter |
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16:45:45 | Scion | i should mention i have installed another harddrive, could that mess it up somehow? a 40gb |
16:45:53 | Scion | ok, lemme try |
16:45:54 | LinusN | hardly |
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16:48:33 | Zagor | hey joe |
16:48:53 | JoeBorn | hey |
16:49:06 | Scion | hm |
16:49:09 | JoeBorn | first time using this IRC web client. Kind of cool. |
16:49:20 | Zagor | yeah it's quite primitive but effective :) |
16:49:29 | Scion | now it only boot up partly and then shuts down |
16:49:35 | Scion | :o |
16:50:12 | LinusN | Scion: wow |
16:50:42 | LinusN | Scion: you should try the latest daily build |
16:50:58 | Scion | im using the latest build now |
16:51:15 | zeekoe | hey, cool redesign of the daily build page |
16:51:45 | Zagor | zeekoe: our graphics artist bagder did that |
16:51:51 | Zagor | ;) |
16:51:56 | LinusN | Scion: and it crashes? |
16:52:09 | zeekoe | and rombox in the builds... whooo |
16:52:56 | Scion | yea, only booted up to about 1/3 of the way and then froze up |
16:53:00 | Scion | then turned off :p |
16:53:18 | Scion | ill try put in the firmware again |
16:53:21 | LinusN | Scion: which model do you have? |
16:53:44 | zeekoe | just wondering... does booting into the original archos firmware work correct? |
16:53:45 | Scion | juxebox recorder |
16:53:52 | Scion | originally 6gb? i think |
16:54:25 | Scion | zeekoe, yea it does |
16:54:54 | zeekoe | ok... |
16:55:08 | zeekoe | lol, nice charging animation :-P |
16:56:40 | Scion | the daily build freezes then turns off, the 2.2 build boots up correctly but i get the 'dir buffer' error message |
16:56:54 | Scion | is there any place i get ahold of build 2.1 for instance? |
16:57:08 | LinusN | Scion: why would you want that? |
16:57:51 | Scion | just to try, isnt there a 'bug' in the current builds that sets the max files to only 50? |
16:58:06 | LinusN | Scion: did you do a complete install of the daily build, or did you just replace ajbrec.ajz? |
16:58:11 | Scion | just replace |
16:58:23 | LinusN | then i understand why it crashes |
16:58:28 | Scion | ah :P |
16:58:34 | Scion | im a noob at this |
16:58:35 | LinusN | rule 1: always follow the instructions |
16:59:07 | LinusN | (unless you know what you're doing) |
16:59:42 | Scion | fair enough |
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17:02:36 | LinusN | the 5249 coldfire has dedicated ATA interface logic builtin |
17:03:04 | LinusN | i guess the iriver uses it, so we won't have to figure out how it is used |
17:03:47 | * | ashridah idly wonders how much cpu power there is left over while decoding mp3 or oggs |
17:04:02 | LinusN | gotta run |
17:04:05 | LinusN | cu guys |
17:04:07 | Zagor | bye |
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17:06:08 | Scion | nice |
17:06:22 | Scion | someone thank linusn from me :p |
17:06:24 | Scion | works great now |
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17:06:29 | Zagor | i will :) |
17:06:34 | Scion | :) |
17:08:20 | Zagor | annoying that we haven't found out the lcd controller yet |
17:11:26 | [IDC]Dragon | is it an external controller? |
17:13:26 | Zagor | most likely chip-on-glass. it usually is |
17:13:50 | [IDC]Dragon | the line drivers at least, yes |
17:14:09 | [IDC]Dragon | the LCD can be "intelligent", or may need to be scanned |
17:17:43 | Zagor | i haven't seen any controller chip, so I think it's on the glass too |
17:21:46 | [IDC]Dragon | the CPU might have an LCD controller, automatically reading a frame buffer and pumping the scan data to the dumb LCD |
17:22:00 | [IDC]Dragon | (continuously) |
17:22:19 | [IDC]Dragon | or, the LCD contains that buffer and has a command interface |
17:22:35 | Zagor | yes but there is no lcd in the block diagram: http://www.freescale.com/files/graphic/block_diagram/MCF5249diagram.gif |
17:22:41 | [IDC]Dragon | like the one in the JBR |
17:22:58 | Zagor | yes, that is what I think |
17:28:09 | Zagor | gotta go, see you later |
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17:28:15 | [IDC]Dragon | bye |
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17:29:03 | benschi | any news concerning the rockbox iriver team? |
17:36:03 | JoeBorn | i need to go, talk to you all later. |
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17:40:04 | Lynx_ | benschi: they are working on it. Linus has one now. |
17:45:15 | benschi | are there any news? |
17:45:27 | benschi | are they still searching for all the hardware specifications? |
17:46:53 | Lynx_ | benschi: yes, from what I read here they do. |
17:53:07 | benschi | OK; THX |
17:53:15 | benschi | cya, have to do some jov for skool |
17:53:18 | Lynx_ | cu |
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18:41:26 | Zagor | urgh, sox crashes when I feed it the output from libmad... |
18:41:45 | dwihno | :-( |
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19:21:12 | Zagor | ah nice. streaming the libmad output to /dev/dsp produces nice crisp sound. |
19:22:00 | Zagor | now lets try cross-compiling... |
19:25:39 | * | dwihno keeps his fingers crossed |
19:28:20 | Zagor | well i have to build the compiler first :) |
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19:29:24 | dwihno | ah, that issue ;) |
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19:57:09 | Zagor | wth? i'm telling it to only build C and then it tries to build libstdc++ anyway :-| |
19:59:15 | amiconn | Yeah, building gcc is fun ;-/ |
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20:40:06 | benschi | hello |
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20:47:05 | zeekoe | hi |
20:47:06 | zeekoe | job for school done? :) |
20:50:02 | zeekoe | <benschi> cya, have to do some jov for skool |
20:52:04 | benschi | yeah |
20:52:12 | benschi | but i also felt very very ill |
20:52:21 | benschi | so i took a very hot bath and chilled in my room |
20:52:22 | benschi | hehe |
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21:08:32 | benschi | cya |
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21:38:01 | kaboofa | Yay calculus homework! |
21:39:45 | Zagor | haha |
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22:10:54 | LinusN | i have now taken my iriver apart :-) |
22:11:27 | LinusN | much easier than the archos |
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22:12:04 | lImbus | hi all |
22:12:18 | Zagor | LinusN: scanned it yet? |
22:12:35 | LinusN | yup |
22:12:53 | LinusN | uploading in a few minutes |
22:13:34 | Zagor | neat. i'm working on libmad atm. |
22:13:45 | LinusN | saw that, good |
22:13:54 | LinusN | still no cross gcc? |
22:14:45 | Zagor | yes it works, it was a manual foobar (wrote enable-language instead of enable-languages...) |
22:16:03 | LinusN | boo |
22:17:13 | Zagor | yeah... wasn't easy to spot though |
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22:21:38 | Zagor | decoder.o: ELF 32-bit MSB relocatable, Motorola 68020, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped |
22:23:01 | LinusN | nice |
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22:25:03 | Zagor | rather difficult to test though :) |
22:26:05 | LinusN | no simulator? |
22:26:19 | Zagor | downloading it now |
22:26:47 | LinusN | so that's why the server connection is so slow... :-) |
22:27:20 | Zagor | nah, this is locally at home. the connection is faster there :) |
22:29:24 | LinusN | the iriver firmware surely leaves a lot to wish for :-) |
22:30:12 | LinusN | the EQ is a joke, imho |
22:30:32 | Zagor | well we are spoiled brats ;) |
22:36:21 | LinusN | bga packages are small and nice, but makes it impossible to measure... |
22:38:34 | Zagor | yup |
22:39:12 | lImbus | how many layers does the pcb have ? 4 or 6 ? |
22:40:28 | Zagor | well, no more guessing what the chips say :) |
22:41:08 | Zagor | lImbus: i can't find a mark |
22:41:34 | Zagor | http://rockbox.haxx.se/iriver/ |
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22:41:40 | D0gbert | evening |
22:41:43 | Zagor | hi! |
22:42:07 | LinusN | hi |
22:42:08 | D0gbert | I thought that u might want to have the dump of the iHP's ram |
22:42:17 | lImbus | Zagor, so what's your guess ? |
22:42:22 | LinusN | the ram? |
22:42:27 | D0gbert | yep |
22:42:37 | Zagor | lImbus: oh I don't know. 4 should be enough, i think |
22:43:21 | D0gbert | I've managed to dump a RAM image with a modified version of the coldfire emulator |
22:43:46 | D0gbert | the firmware consists out of roughly two parts |
22:44:30 | D0gbert | a) the loader which inits the SDRAM and some other stuff and copies the second part to the ram, b) the firmware which is run from the ram |
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22:46:55 | D0gbert | the decrypted firmware file can't be disassembled very well, contrary to the ram image |
22:46:58 | D0gbert | so, anyone interested? |
22:47:34 | LinusN | absolutely |
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22:49:41 | D0gbert | where shall I put it? |
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22:52:32 | LinusN | can you put it on a webserver somewhere so i can d/l it? |
22:52:41 | D0gbert | yeah, sure, mom plz |
22:53:16 | LinusN | D0gbert: you built a wiggler yourself? |
22:53:45 | D0gbert | nopes, that's just a result of the coldfire emulator |
22:53:50 | D0gbert | but I think that it's accurate |
22:54:12 | D0gbert | I wasn't able to dump the interrupt vector table though :/ |
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22:54:58 | LinusN | now what exactly is the emulator then? a simulator? |
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22:55:19 | D0gbert | yes |
22:55:41 | LinusN | ah ok |
22:55:50 | D0gbert | http://www.slicer.ca/coldfire/index.php <- a modified version of that software |
22:56:12 | D0gbert | http://gamma.altervista.org/sdram0.rar |
22:56:22 | D0gbert | the base address is 0x31000000 |
22:56:38 | D0gbert | and the entry point is 0x3108A6B0 |
22:56:51 | Zagor | i wouldn't mind a copy of the modified emulator either :) |
22:56:51 | LinusN | so you ran the iriver firmware in the simulator |
22:57:16 | D0gbert | LinusN, yes |
22:57:52 | D0gbert | http://gamma.altervista.org/ihp.board describes the memory mapping |
22:58:23 | D0gbert | even though the 'unknown' ram isn't really there and was just a way to ensure that the emulation of the motorola thing was working correctly |
22:59:03 | D0gbert | Zagor, it's a rather shabby hack and still lightyears away from a public release =) |
22:59:57 | Zagor | ah, too bad :) |
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23:00:06 | D0gbert | I eventually got fed up with the slow speed of development and the attitude of some person and I lacked the time, so I got myself an iPod and sold my iHP |
23:00:41 | LinusN | traitor! :-) |
23:00:43 | Zagor | too bad for us... |
23:01:10 | * | LinusN will build a bdm interface soonish |
23:01:34 | LinusN | D0gbert: i have d/l'ed the stuff |
23:02:20 | D0gbert | ok, I'll better delete it before some iriver guy sues me for copyright infringement =) |
23:03:27 | LinusN | yup |
23:03:42 | LinusN | the silk screen on the PCB is quite helpful |
23:03:57 | Zagor | yeah, that's a friendly touch :) |
23:04:41 | Zagor | scans on wiki now |
23:04:46 | LinusN | wonderful |
23:05:32 | D0gbert | r there any other questions u might want to ask me? |
23:05:36 | LinusN | big,bigger,huge :-) |
23:05:52 | Zagor | D0gbert: did you get anywhere about the lcd controller? |
23:05:56 | LinusN | D0gbert: any idea at all about the lcd? |
23:06:01 | LinusN | :-) |
23:06:29 | D0gbert | lol, no, I only managed to find the routine which seems to be responsible of the LCD in the SDRAM |
23:06:36 | LinusN | ok |
23:07:39 | D0gbert | the SDRAM contains strings which I guess are supposed to be given out to one of the UART ports |
23:07:43 | LinusN | i need to find out where to connect my logic analyzer |
23:08:00 | LinusN | to trace the lcd signals |
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23:08:36 | Zagor | remove the lcd and use the connector pads |
23:08:53 | D0gbert | they describe some of the functions, that's how I found out the address of the LCD procedure |
23:09:13 | D0gbert | which is 0x31045050 |
23:09:18 | LinusN | how do i remove the lcd? |
23:11:13 | Zagor | no idea. you have my hardware ;) |
23:11:14 | D0gbert | ok, if there is any way I can help you, then you can reach me thru all the iriver boards.. |
23:11:25 | D0gbert | good luck and gn8 :) |
23:11:29 | Zagor | D0gbert: great, thanks! |
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23:15:39 | lImbus | looks like big help |
23:16:54 | elinenbe | bonjour... |
23:16:58 | elinenbe | how is everyone doing? |
23:17:10 | Zagor | great. we have a new toy! |
23:17:14 | elinenbe | I see. |
23:17:24 | elinenbe | I guess I am going to have to go out and get an iriver today! |
23:17:36 | elinenbe | I am excited −− it is a VERY nice piece of hardware! |
23:17:47 | elinenbe | anyone trace the leads yet? |
23:18:01 | Zagor | which? there are quite a few... :) |
23:18:29 | elinenbe | trace the schematics... the board? |
23:18:56 | Zagor | ah, no. we just bought a player today. |
23:19:06 | Zagor | afaik nobody else has done it either |
23:19:33 | elinenbe | how many players does the devteam have? |
23:19:39 | Zagor | one so far |
23:19:45 | elinenbe | I will have to write a game for it :) |
23:19:50 | elinenbe | that's about all I can do. |
23:19:51 | JoeBorn | how long will it take you to trace the schematics? |
23:19:52 | Zagor | hehe |
23:20:22 | elinenbe | JoeBorn of Neuros fame? |
23:20:27 | Zagor | JoeBorn: oh we don't expect to ever really complete. we just do as much as is feasible and useful. |
23:20:28 | JoeBorn | that's me |
23:20:47 | JoeBorn | ah. How many layers is the main board? |
23:21:07 | elinenbe | Joe, it's impossible to use that source code without a compiler that we can have access to! |
23:21:12 | Zagor | i don't know. linus has our only hardware and I couldn't make it out from the scanned images |
23:21:20 | JoeBorn | I know, I know :( |
23:21:42 | JoeBorn | you can get the evaluation copy :( |
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23:21:51 | elinenbe | how large is the flash rom in the iriver? and the ram? |
23:22:03 | Zagor | elinenbe: 2 MB flash, 32 MB ram |
23:22:18 | elinenbe | wow!! talk about a lot to play with! |
23:22:32 | elinenbe | Zagor: are you salivating with ideas for this new project? |
23:22:36 | LinusN | elinenbe: check out the wiki |
23:23:13 | Zagor | hehe, not really. it's not a revolutionary step in hardware, more evolutionary. nothing really new, hardware wise. just more space and speed. |
23:23:30 | elinenbe | Linus.. I perused it.... it's starting to actually look usable! |
23:23:53 | elinenbe | Zagor: although the hard drive space is much less (well, can be less) then let's say an 80 or 100 gb archos... |
23:23:53 | LinusN | this board is harder to trace than the jukebox, since they use BGA packages :-( |
23:24:06 | Zagor | elinenbe: exactly. so not everything is better. |
23:24:33 | elinenbe | the iriver 3xx series is kind of a piece of shit compared to this 1xx series. |
23:24:42 | Zagor | elinenbe: really? why? |
23:24:52 | elinenbe | less battery life, thicker, worse remote. |
23:24:58 | LinusN | oh |
23:25:05 | elinenbe | I guess you can use it as a usb host, but that is not something i would do oftern. |
23:25:12 | Zagor | i didn't know. i thought they were basically the same. |
23:25:15 | Zagor | except for the display |
23:25:34 | Zagor | ...and better buttons |
23:25:35 | elinenbe | has dogbert done a good deal with the iriver? |
23:25:43 | Zagor | yes |
23:26:08 | elinenbe | Zagor: which has better buttons? |
23:26:15 | elinenbe | the 3xx or 1xx? |
23:26:45 | Zagor | 3xx, at least by the look of it. i don't like the joystick type navigation button on 1xx. |
23:27:16 | elinenbe | has anyone gotten a LCD light to blink yet? That was such an exciting time for rockbox. |
23:27:19 | Zagor | but i have never tested a 3xx, so i don't really know |
23:27:29 | lImbus | Zagor, buttons: yeah, makes some games impossible |
23:27:34 | elinenbe | now 3 years later it will all happen again... you guys are really talented! |
23:27:42 | Zagor | elinenbe: we haven't run a single instruction yet. it's a bit harder than on the archos. |
23:28:09 | elinenbe | yeah, it just doesn't pull the firmware off the disk... |
23:28:18 | amiconn | elinenbe: What exactly is an *lcd* *light* ? ;) |
23:28:19 | elinenbe | but you can make it do that later on! :) |
23:28:26 | Zagor | yup |
23:28:50 | elinenbe | sorry... the lcd... |
23:29:10 | Zagor | JoeBorn: do you (neuros) record ogg too or only mp3? |
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23:37:30 | Zagor | anyone know if BYTE_ORDER is an internal gcc macro? |
23:39:27 | lImbus | lol. sounds processor-specific |
23:39:41 | Zagor | well, not much in this channel isn't ;) |
23:39:56 | lImbus | hehe |
23:40:45 | elinenbe | so, Zagor, Linus, etc... what's the timefram until rockbox is up and running on the 1xx? 1 day? 2days? ;) |
23:40:52 | Zagor | haha |
23:41:25 | elinenbe | No, I'm just giving you a hard time. I really hope you progress goes well. I am all excited! |
23:42:46 | Zagor | gosh, the Tremor API uses 'FILE*'. not very embedded-friendly... |
23:43:56 | LinusN | i guess we'll have to rely a lot more on disassembling the original firmware this time... |
23:44:31 | Zagor | yeah, maybe |
23:45:25 | LinusN | i think we can assume that it is a lot like the reference design as well |
23:46:21 | Zagor | yes, many things look quite similar |
23:46:32 | Zagor | and we have full schematics for that |
23:47:06 | lImbus | brb |
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23:47:15 | LinusN | the need for a bdm interface is imminent |
23:47:35 | JoeBorn | sorry, stepped away, just mp3 and wav |
23:47:50 | amiconn | LinusN: There are issues left to solve with "classical" rockbox... |
23:49:15 | Zagor | amiconn: absolutetly. but won't there always? |
23:50:31 | Zagor | vorbisfile.o: ELF 32-bit MSB relocatable, Motorola 68020, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped |
23:53:23 | LinusN | amiconn: have you investigated more regarding the corrupt frames? |
23:53:50 | amiconn | No not yet. Have to do some longish recordings with varying levels for that. |
23:54:14 | Zagor | does it only happen on long recordings, or has anyone gotten it on short ones aswell? |
23:54:19 | amiconn | However, I found some ineresting reading yesterday, concerning possible corruption when recording from spdif |
23:54:39 | amiconn | Too bad I don't have any spdif capable equipment apart from the jukebox itself |
23:54:46 | * | amiconn looks it up |
23:56:09 | amiconn | Found it: http://www.intermetall.de/products/documentation/consumer/mas3587f/downloads/mas3587f_1ais.pdf |
23:56:16 | lImbus | amiconn: there are cheap pci-soundcards with electrical and optical spdif digi-out |
23:56:36 | zeekoe | and most dvd players have optical spdif |
23:56:41 | amiconn | lImbus: But I don't have a stationary pc, only my laptop and my Amiga |
23:56:50 | amiconn | zeekoe: Mine doesn't |
23:57:07 | zeekoe | hm... ok... then you're out of luck on that one... |
23:57:42 | lImbus | Amiga: w00t ! |
23:57:58 | lImbus | my laptop has spdif with a breakout-cable (dell inspiron) |
23:58:32 | lImbus | for 5.1 and all that stuff I'll never see. |
23:58:48 | zeekoe | you can get a sound card for your amiga, there must be some with spdif |
23:58:52 | zeekoe | although not cheap |