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| 00:11:22 | amiconn | Funny, there is a rejected feature request to support the iriver ihp1xx (!) |
| 00:11:28 | Zagor | haha |
| 00:12:48 | LinusN | :-) |
| 00:14:04 | amiconn | ..and even a second one! |
| 00:14:15 | LinusN | time to reboot, cu soon |
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| 00:31:31 | LinusN | Zagor: what's the coldfire target called? |
| 00:31:40 | LinusN | (building a toolchain) |
| 00:31:49 | Zagor | m68k-elf |
| 00:31:53 | LinusN | thx |
| 00:32:59 | amiconn | LinusN: Did you read about my file system stress test? |
| 00:33:10 | LinusN | yes, any results? |
| 00:33:57 | amiconn | Still running, but it already read back and compared >1 GB. No single bit error so far :) |
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| 00:40:29 | LinusN | maybe there is some code that disabled the irq for a long time |
| 00:40:52 | LinusN | or that the inverted LED affected some port bit fiddling somewhere |
| 00:42:52 | amiconn | ..or this really has to do with the spdif recording bug of the mas. I can't test yet, but I'm just collecting parts for building a toslink->chinch converter, buying the missing parts tomorrow |
| 00:43:15 | LinusN | do you have a 48kHz source? |
| 00:43:34 | amiconn | No, 44.1 kHz only (CD) |
| 00:43:50 | LinusN | if this is the s/pdif bug, then why is it working so well with 2.2? |
| 00:44:47 | amiconn | I have no idea, but I still want to test to rule this out |
| 00:45:40 | LinusN | and he also claims it works better on an empty disk |
| 00:46:07 | amiconn | Yes, that's indeed strange. Perhaps he should test with my test plugin? |
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| 00:47:59 | amiconn | (It would need a bit of polishing, and it requires a custom .ajz because fsync() is not in the plugin api in cvs) |
| 00:48:18 | LinusN | he says it got worse somewhere around when i changed the led behaviour |
| 00:49:15 | amiconn | Yes, but he also says he can't remember exactly which version and therefore which change introduced this. The led change did nothing to the low level recording code... |
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| 00:51:54 | amiconn | The recording led change was introduced on Jun 22. Only 3 weeks before that (Jun 3) you introduced recording pause, which _did_ change the recording code... |
| 00:51:59 | Zagor | i'm off to bed. see you tomorrow. |
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| 00:52:13 | LinusN | amiconn: yeah, i'm looking at that code as we speak |
| 00:54:40 | LinusN | we should build a pre-pause version and have him test it |
| 00:58:27 | amiconn | Btw, you fix to get the complete last frame apparently doesn't work. |
| 00:58:36 | amiconn | *your |
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| 01:01:19 | LinusN | :-( |
| 01:01:32 | LinusN | that sucks |
| 01:01:40 | LinusN | the mas is so silly |
| 01:03:17 | LinusN | reboot time again |
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| 01:05:18 | webguest06 | hi |
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| 01:10:00 | amiconn | re LinusN |
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| 01:12:04 | webguest06 | Can anyone please tell me the current progress of the ihp rockbox porting? |
| 01:12:24 | amiconn | LinusN: All those changes to mpeg.c since Jun 03 just look about right to me |
| 01:12:46 | amiconn | But on Jul 05 I enabled optimized ata... |
| 01:13:09 | pike | webguest06 it's hardly begun, and dude, they will TRY port it, they never said it WILL happen for certain |
| 01:13:14 | LinusN | webguest06: i have taken apart my ihp-120 and am investigating |
| 01:14:35 | LinusN | that's about it |
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| 01:16:36 | webguest06 | thanks for the info |
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| 01:45:51 | amiconn | LinusN: On 2004-08-20, Paul responded on the ml that a special version you sent to him fixed the recording problems. What was special in that version? |
| 01:46:51 | amiconn | Err, this was 2004-08-10, and on 2004-08-20 he said that there are still many bad frames |
| 01:47:22 | LinusN | he had two problems, 1) it spontaneously froze, 2) corrupt frames |
| 01:47:43 | LinusN | 1) was fixed by disabling ATA optimization |
| 01:47:52 | LinusN | (my special build) |
| 01:48:03 | amiconn | I wonder if his hd has a hw problem... |
| 01:48:25 | LinusN | then 2.2 should fail as well |
| 01:48:36 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 01:49:52 | amiconn | Did you also disable the optimized recording transfer routines in your special build? |
| 01:50:19 | LinusN | nope |
| 01:50:54 | amiconn | Grr, hunting a bug that does not show up on the own box is a nightmare |
| 01:51:02 | LinusN | indeed |
| 01:55:38 | LinusN | time to sleep |
| 01:55:40 | LinusN | nite |
| 01:55:46 | midk | nite |
| 01:55:47 | amiconn | nite |
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| 01:58:43 | webguest96 | hi |
| 01:59:01 | webguest96 | anyone there? |
| 01:59:46 | midk | yes |
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| 02:08:58 | webguest96 | do you about archos problems with xp? |
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| 04:33:53 | ZaNe | Hello |
| 04:33:58 | midk | hey |
| 04:34:08 | ZaNe | wats the key combo for hold?> |
| 04:34:21 | midk | at the wps only: f1+down |
| 04:34:37 | ZaNe | cool thank u much |
| 04:35:02 | ZaNe | how do u install a patch?> |
| 04:35:02 | midk | p |
| 04:35:07 | midk | np* |
| 04:35:16 | midk | you have to set up a development environment |
| 04:36:00 | ZaNe | ? Im party stupid when it comes to that stuff ? |
| 04:36:33 | midk | :) sadly i just today reinstalled linux, haven't yet re-setup my environment, otherwise i could do it for you... |
| 04:36:54 | ZaNe | how can i get a environment up? |
| 04:36:54 | midk | you could try bc's devkit, that will give you an environment, but you still have to apply the patch and compile yourself |
| 04:37:16 | ZaNe | ic wat kind of script does it use? |
| 04:37:36 | midk | a makefile |
| 04:37:44 | midk | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems/CS_Main/RockBox/RockBox.htm |
| 04:37:49 | midk | look here for the devkit |
| 04:39:05 | ZaNe | kk |
| 04:39:37 | midk | there's a tutorial for building there, as well.. after you get it compiled you just have to read the patch doc to learn how to apply the patch and then just re-run make |
| 04:39:57 | ZaNe | ic |
| 04:40:05 | ZaNe | kool i will look into that |
| 04:40:18 | ZaNe | but do you know if there are ne kind of screen saver stuff out |
| 04:40:21 | midk | if you've got a specific question, feel free to ask |
| 04:40:31 | ZaNe | like after a certan mount of time it runs a plugin |
| 04:40:33 | midk | the plugins work as screen savers.. do you have a recorder? |
| 04:40:38 | ZaNe | ya |
| 04:40:41 | midk | no (not yet at least) |
| 04:40:45 | ZaNe | i want it to come on auto |
| 04:41:07 | midk | not yet, sorry |
| 04:41:44 | ZaNe | darn |
| 04:41:48 | ZaNe | u know if ne comming out |
| 04:41:49 | ZaNe | ? |
| 04:42:44 | midk | no |
| 04:43:07 | ZaNe | kool |
| 04:43:14 | ZaNe | just 1 more question |
| 04:43:22 | midk | ok |
| 04:43:24 | ZaNe | wat about the video playback feature |
| 04:43:30 | ZaNe | how u get that stuff working |
| 04:43:40 | midk | check out the documentation |
| 04:44:24 | ZaNe | i am but wat is BPS Video Converter |
| 04:44:34 | midk | http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/VideoTutorial |
| 04:44:50 | ZaNe | BPS Video Converter?? how i get that |
| 04:45:21 | midk | "" |
| 04:45:24 | midk | "Use google if you need."* |
| 04:45:34 | ZaNe | i am |
| 04:45:45 | midk | nothing comes up? |
| 04:45:48 | ZaNe | but after i dl it waht i do with it |
| 04:45:51 | ZaNe | its dling right now |
| 04:46:46 | midk | mmm |
| 04:46:59 | midk | just output to uncompressed AVI, at 112x64 |
| 04:47:08 | midk | "" |
| 04:47:10 | midk | grr |
| 04:47:11 | midk | " Convert your movie file to an AVI file, uncompressed, and with the size: 112x64." |
| 04:47:12 | *** | No seen item changed, no save performed. |
| 04:47:20 | ZaNe | kk let me try |
| 04:49:51 | ZaNe | ok its done installing. not to boot it... after step five it confuses me |
| 04:50:04 | midk | 'not to boot it'? |
| 04:51:24 | ZaNe | *let |
| 04:51:27 | ZaNe | now* |
| 04:51:29 | ZaNe | now to boot it |
| 04:51:30 | ZaNe | sry |
| 04:51:57 | midk | ok.. step five being what? |
| 04:53:07 | ZaNe | err how u turn off key lock... sry thats sorta a spure question |
| 04:54:31 | ZaNe | nvm im a dumb ass |
| 04:54:33 | midk | ..ok, let me know if you have a real question? |
| 04:54:35 | midk | ? |
| 04:54:38 | midk | -?* |
| 04:54:52 | ZaNe | ya why does the key lock not turn off sometimes |
| 04:55:09 | midk | key lock? |
| 04:55:17 | midk | oh... it should be fine, f1+down |
| 04:55:23 | midk | if your box isn't frozen |
| 04:55:26 | midk | it only works at the WPS |
| 04:55:32 | ZaNe | k fixed it |
| 04:55:44 | ZaNe | sry im dumb when it comes to this stuff |
| 04:57:33 | ZaNe | well im out night |
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| 07:09:58 | plok | In terms of getting an iRiver iHP to pull apart, is there any possibility of setting up a fund we could donate to so one could be purchased? |
| 07:10:38 | LinusN | you could donate to the rockbox paypal account |
| 07:10:40 | dwihno | I guess the rockbox fund might be used for that |
| 07:10:53 | dwihno | Morning, Linus |
| 07:10:58 | LinusN | we have bought one already with that money |
| 07:11:14 | LinusN | and i have taken it apart |
| 07:11:38 | midk | it's good to know that our money is given to linus so he can purchase things to disassemble. ;) |
| 07:11:38 | plok | Unsoldered the CPU? |
| 07:11:42 | LinusN | but i want a device that i can destroy |
| 07:11:56 | midk | uh-oh. |
| 07:12:10 | LinusN | midk: unsoldering the CPU |
| 07:12:23 | dwihno | LinusN: Ah. Interesting way to get rid of the aggrevations :) |
| 07:12:30 | LinusN | hehe |
| 07:12:35 | dwihno | I smash my porcelain when I'm feeling angry ;) |
| 07:13:18 | LinusN | it seems like iriver is very generous with returns, even when the user has killed the box |
| 07:13:35 | LinusN | so there aren't many broken ones out there |
| 07:14:07 | LinusN | and those with broken ones probably don't hang out here or in the iriver forums :-) |
| 07:14:22 | dwihno | LinusN: why do you want to unsolder it? |
| 07:14:38 | LinusN | it's a BGA package, which means that i can't get to the pins for measuring |
| 07:15:11 | dwihno | okay |
| 07:15:29 | LinusN | and it's extremely difficult to solder it back |
| 07:15:46 | LinusN | and unsoldering it without melting the cpu is hard as well |
| 07:16:24 | dwihno | you need to unsolder the cpu, fix the "broken" unit and solder it back along with attached cables for measuring? |
| 07:16:36 | * | dwihno knows nothing of these hardware ninja moves |
| 07:16:44 | plok | Linus, based on what you know, what are the chances that a successful port to the iHP1xx range will mean a successful port to h300 range? |
| 07:16:52 | LinusN | no, soldering it back is virtually impossible |
| 07:17:05 | dwihno | LinusN: so how are you going to measure it? |
| 07:17:11 | LinusN | plok: the chances are good |
| 07:17:46 | LinusN | dwihno: i'm not measuring live signals, i'll just check which pins go to which chip |
| 07:18:02 | LinusN | to draw schematics |
| 07:18:14 | dwihno | LinusN: aah.... when you said measuring, I started thinking volt meters and stuff |
| 07:18:34 | dwihno | "stuff" including virtually anything regarding electronics ;) |
| 07:18:35 | LinusN | bad choice of words, maybe :-) |
| 07:19:07 | dwihno | nah :) |
| 07:23:15 | * | plok is away - Automatically set away. - messages will be saved. |
| 07:34:15 | plok | When making a Paypal payment with a credit card, is it treated as a cash advance or just a normal credit card payment? |
| 07:34:39 | LinusN | a normal payment, afaik |
| 07:35:15 | LinusN | when i pay, i see nothing special in my eurocard bill |
| 07:37:25 | plok | Sorry, never used paypal before. Do I make a payment to paypal and have that much credit on my paypal account, then make payments to rockbox from that paypal balance? |
| 07:43:11 | LinusN | afaik, you don't even have to have a paypal account to make a payment |
| 07:44:13 | plok | I see, making a donation now. Do you have any idea of how far away we are from getting another iRiver to sacrifice? |
| 07:44:20 | plok | (in us dollars) |
| 07:46:33 | LinusN | i have no idea |
| 07:46:58 | LinusN | it just feels bad to slaughter a perfectly working device ... :-) |
| 07:47:00 | pike | LinusN, maybe place an ad "Broken iriver ihp wanted" |
| 07:47:13 | LinusN | i'll do that...somewhere |
| 07:47:31 | pike | shame irivernordic has banned sell/buy posts |
| 07:47:58 | plok | But it won't die in vain |
| 07:47:59 | pike | I wonder what their standpoint is to all this. maybe they are nice guys and can donate a broken unit? |
| 07:48:48 | pike | ICQ: 245504035 |
| 07:48:48 | pike | MSN: directman_com@hotmail.com |
| 07:48:48 | pike | Email: support@directman.com |
| 07:48:48 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK pike |
| 07:48:48 | pike | Telefon: 08-653 19 89 |
| 07:49:04 | pike | same guys that run irivernordic, this si the company part that sells units |
| 07:49:32 | pike | noone ever hurt from asking, hehe |
| 07:49:43 | pike | I can do it, if you feel "uneasy" about it |
| 07:51:57 | LinusN | i'll do it |
| 07:52:05 | pike | ok |
| 07:52:40 | pike | dont forget to mention they can do it anon :p |
| 07:54:23 | plok | Worked! It's very easy to spend money on the internet these days :) |
| 07:58:37 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 07:58:37 | * | LinusN bows humbly |
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| 08:02:43 | amiconn | hi all |
| 08:02:53 | LinusN | hola |
| 08:05:40 | amiconn | My filesystem test completed without a surprise, i.e. without a single bit error. Rockbox file system seems to be rock solid :) |
| 08:07:04 | LinusN | i don't know if i should be happy or not :-) |
| 08:09:48 | amiconn | I plan to try another modification this evening, and have some question |
| 08:09:50 | amiconn | s |
| 08:11:09 | amiconn | (1, this has nothing to do with my modif, but it's suspicious) the SCI0 init seems to be wrong. It's no bug, but it doesn't do exactly what the comment says if I am correct: |
| 08:12:08 | amiconn | The comment says "set baud rate to 1 MBit/s", but BRR0=3 is 750 kBit/s if I read the datasheet correctly |
| 08:12:58 | plok | Linus, would you estimate the iRiver CPU is beefy enough to play movies? |
| 08:13:17 | LinusN | amiconn: i bet it's correct on the player |
| 08:13:39 | LinusN | plok: sure |
| 08:13:59 | amiconn | LinusN: This calculation is based on 12 MHz clock. Did you measure the generated clock? |
| 08:14:00 | LinusN | if the jukebox can do it, the iriver will do it as well |
| 08:14:19 | LinusN | amiconn: i think i did, but that was a loooong time ago |
| 08:14:21 | plok | The screen on the H340 is really good :) |
| 08:14:29 | LinusN | plok: i haven't seen it |
| 08:15:40 | plok | I showed my friend yesterday and he said he thought it looked a lot better than the lcd on the archos Multimedia |
| 08:15:46 | plok | not that I've seen a MM |
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| 08:21:17 | Zagor | morning |
| 08:21:40 | amiconn | LinusN: (2) Why do we transfer max. 30 bytes from rec_tick() ? If we transfer as long as eod is low, and if it goes high wait a short time (< 5 usec) to see if it goes low again, this should automatically give us all dma blocks belonging to a frame? |
| 08:22:19 | amiconn | (3) Doing this would required that the irq is no ,longer edge detect, but level detect? |
| 08:22:27 | LinusN | yes, but i didn't want to do that, since it would hog the cpu for quite a while |
| 08:23:04 | LinusN | however, the optimized loop would not take that much time, would it? |
| 08:23:29 | LinusN | hi Zagor |
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| 08:23:56 | amiconn | LinusN: Hmm. As it is now, the next irq follows immediately at return from the isr, so it wouldn't make a difference, would it? |
| 08:24:05 | LinusN | not really |
| 08:24:07 | [IDC]Dragon | morning! |
| 08:24:35 | amiconn | In fact, this could be even faster, because the additional return->call sequences are saved |
| 08:24:41 | LinusN | i remember having problems with that approach back then, but we should try it again |
| 08:24:44 | amiconn | morning Jörg |
| 08:25:55 | [IDC]Dragon | just to bore you iriver guys: the ondio has a backlight preparation |
| 08:26:07 | amiconn | LinusN: Well, maybe it will still not deliver a complete frame, because the dma blocks are 30 bytes each, and there may be a smaller residue |
| 08:26:45 | [IDC]Dragon | I just measured the live I/O signal to the empty footprint, it behaves like a backlight level |
| 08:26:58 | amiconn | I wonder how the archos guys did it - the archos fw doesn't save a truncated frame at the end |
| 08:27:02 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: but no components (leds) mounted? |
| 08:27:04 | LinusN | no, it will not give us a complete frame, but the burst transfer will probably be more effective |
| 08:27:25 | [IDC]Dragon | I think it's EL, not LEDs |
| 08:27:47 | Zagor | ok |
| 08:27:54 | [IDC]Dragon | for LEDs, the PCB would need a preparation (footprints) |
| 08:28:41 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Perhaps the Ondio SP has backlight... |
| 08:29:08 | [IDC]Dragon | educate me about the iriver status: is it possible to execute own code? |
| 08:30:25 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: I've googled for ondia and backlight, the reviews I saw complain about it's absence |
| 08:30:48 | amiconn | ah |
| 08:31:07 | [IDC]Dragon | butI sure don't mind you getting one with |
| 08:31:12 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: not yet, we need a BDM interface |
| 08:31:39 | [IDC]Dragon | isn't there some hacks to exchange the bitmaps in the firmware? |
| 08:31:58 | plok | Linus, in keeping with my very premature questions.. the H340 has USB on the go that will mount a device that identifies as a Mass Storage Device. If we get rockbox working, is it at all possible we'd be able to write custom drivers for other USB devic |
| 08:31:59 | plok | es? |
| 08:32:32 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: yes, we can create a flash image, but we don't want to do it until we have a safe way of reflashing a dead box |
| 08:32:46 | LinusN | plok: no |
| 08:32:54 | LinusN | different USB chips |
| 08:32:55 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, sounds familiar to me ;-) |
| 08:33:07 | plok | oh well! :) |
| 08:33:36 | LinusN | the first thing we want to do is an iriver-rolo |
| 08:34:05 | [IDC]Dragon | the iriver has no procedure to boot from disk? |
| 08:34:47 | plok | Hmm.. when I upgraded my iRiver firmware I had to copy to disk but then go into a menu item and manually update the firmware from there |
| 08:37:22 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I'm going to buy the missing parts for my toslink converter today. Only 3 parts missing after I digged up some parts from my "collection" |
| 08:38:02 | amiconn | I also found schematics for the reverse converter, but are not going to implement that for now |
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| 08:50:36 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: how many buttons does the iriver have? |
| 08:51:13 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Did you see http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/ButtonAssignments ? |
| 08:51:16 | Zagor | 9 |
| 08:51:29 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: no |
| 08:51:36 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: thanks |
| 08:51:54 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: sorry, yes |
| 08:52:00 | [IDC]Dragon | nice attempt |
| 08:52:00 | pike | Zagor, have you "played around" with your iriver? which fw version ? |
| 08:52:20 | Zagor | pike: linus has our only hardware yet |
| 08:52:35 | plok | the H340 has 9 buttons + a sliding Hold switch |
| 08:52:36 | Zagor | in lots of small pieces... :) |
| 08:52:42 | pike | oh.. my mistake.. |
| 08:52:56 | Zagor | right, i didn't count the hold switch. h100 has it too |
| 08:54:00 | pike | I see that irivernordic/directman is online on msn now.. but I'll not discuss with them, coz one unified front is best |
| 08:54:00 | plok | Can we advertise for 2nd hand irivers on mistic river? |
| 08:55:31 | Zagor | i don't see why not, if they have a suitable place for it |
| 08:56:01 | pike | there's also irivers official forum to consider |
| 08:56:08 | pike | and alot of mispleased iriver users |
| 08:56:44 | LinusN | pike: i've sent them an email |
| 08:57:35 | LinusN | plok: i posted a "call for help" on misticriver a few days ago, no reply yet |
| 08:57:44 | plok | Ah, ok :) |
| 08:58:41 | pike | http://www.iriver.com/community/discussion_new.asp |
| 08:59:03 | pike | extremely crappy forum software |
| 08:59:23 | Zagor | personally i'd like to hold posting on the iriver.com forum until we actually have something to show. people are too jaded by vapor projects. |
| 08:59:48 | LinusN | indeed |
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| 09:00:46 | pike | the only ones who doesnt know about the project are the n00bs |
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| 09:01:54 | Zagor | pike: maybe, but whenever someone of us speaks it is easily taken as an "official statement". and I prefer to make those after we succeed, not before. |
| 09:03:50 | pike | you made headline news on hydrogenaudio also some day ago, http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=27390&st=0&#entry240805 |
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| 09:14:30 | Zagor | btw, i just noticed yesterday the xclef hd-500 uses the qfp-packaged 5249. a few connections can actually be traced by the photo. |
| 09:15:24 | LinusN | ah |
| 09:15:58 | Zagor | not enough to be really useful though |
| 09:16:45 | pike | do they both use the same chips otherwise? |
| 09:16:57 | Zagor | pike: most are the same, but some differ |
| 09:21:51 | [IDC]Dragon | where does rockbox configure PA3 as the ATA bus wait input? |
| 09:22:05 | [IDC]Dragon | I need PA3 as GP out |
| 09:26:13 | Zagor | heh, i don't find it either. isn't it input by default? |
| 09:27:15 | [IDC]Dragon | it's the default, yes |
| 09:27:32 | [IDC]Dragon | (just found that in the datasheet) |
| 09:27:54 | [IDC]Dragon | not just input, but waitstate input |
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| 09:50:43 | Zagor | plok: is the center blue "navi" thing a button too? |
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| 09:58:26 | Zagor | we should find an x11 guru to help us fix multikey support in the sim |
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| 10:08:27 | Zagor | i'm fascinated that player users haven't been yelling at us for making "vol" more difficult to reach than "next". |
| 10:08:49 | Bagder | :-) |
| 10:11:52 | Zagor | i know i'd be annoyed |
| 10:14:06 | LinusN | hehe, the balance setting on the Player has been broken since june 21 |
| 10:14:42 | Bagder | who uses balance anyway? ;-) |
| 10:15:04 | Zagor | the relevant question seems to be "who uses the player anyway"... |
| 10:15:09 | LinusN | probably no the most used feature... |
| 10:17:05 | * | Bagder counts 41 .rock files |
| 10:17:17 | Bagder | only 21 are documented in the wiki |
| 10:19:37 | Zagor | hmm, the draw-on-two-screens-with-different-size concept of the iriver is rather messy |
| 10:20:22 | Zagor | we need to run all display code twice, with different size constants |
| 10:20:25 | amiconn | Zagor: On the player, the original archos fw only allows volume adjustment from the menu?? If so, rockbox is a huge improvement over that! |
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| 10:21:17 | Zagor | amiconn: i don't remember what the original does. probably something like that. i would still want single-key volume if I was using it though... |
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| 10:22:12 | Zagor | LinusN: have you taken the remote apart yet? |
| 10:22:25 | LinusN | no |
| 10:22:46 | LinusN | i still have warranty left :-) |
| 10:23:13 | pike | I think you can buy spare remotes? (if you wanna dissect one) |
| 10:24:02 | LinusN | i'm concentrating on the main unit to begin with |
| 10:24:58 | Zagor | yeah, just curious how much logic is in it |
| 10:26:52 | pike | http://www.directman.com/system/search/product.asp?id=119&container=76& |
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| 10:30:13 | Zagor | pike: that's nice |
| 10:31:16 | pike | xcept that color was "not in stock |
| 10:31:24 | pike | there's 2 others that are in stock, same price |
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| 10:55:03 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Just saw your mail on the ml. If you want more users to do a test, you should provide the Ondio SP variant as separate .ajz (not everybody is familiar working with a hex editor) |
| 10:56:33 | [IDC]Dragon | can they both have the same name? |
| 10:56:53 | [IDC]Dragon | not everybody is familiar with renaming files... ;-) |
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| 10:57:49 | tboy | good morning |
| 10:58:29 | * | Zagor has an ocdemon bdm pod in his hand |
| 10:59:01 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: No, they can't have the same name within the same wiki topic :( |
| 10:59:08 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: typing with only one hand then? ;-) |
| 10:59:31 | Zagor | :) |
| 10:59:43 | tboy | I just set up the cygwin environment on my windows |
| 10:59:44 | [IDC]Dragon | what does it look like? |
| 10:59:54 | tboy | and when I try to compile |
| 10:59:58 | tboy | or as I compile |
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| 11:00:05 | dwihno | sounds flashy |
| 11:01:07 | Zagor | it's the simple wiggler in http://www.macraigor.com/hwproducts.htm |
| 11:01:26 | tboy | I get this error atoll could nout be found in cygwin1.dll |
| 11:02:02 | tboy | is anybody familiar with this |
| 11:02:26 | [IDC]Dragon | tboy: you have an inconsistant cygwin then |
| 11:02:53 | dwihno | Zagor: "The Wiggler does not currently work with Linux" |
| 11:02:56 | [IDC]Dragon | or the dll in more than one place, with different versions |
| 11:03:35 | Zagor | dwihno: yeah, but that's just their software |
| 11:04:09 | dwihno | Zagor: aah, neato :-D |
| 11:04:10 | [IDC]Dragon | dwihno: so they have to port that first, before the iriver attempt can continue... |
| 11:04:43 | dwihno | Zagor: is there software currently available? |
| 11:05:04 | Zagor | any particular software? |
| 11:05:04 | tboy | oh ok |
| 11:05:35 | tboy | [IDC]Dragon: I'll see if I can find these dlls |
| 11:05:45 | tboy | [IDC]Dragon: thanks |
| 11:11:16 | Zagor | m68k-bdm-elf-gdb looks interesting |
| 11:12:56 | Zagor | coldfire bdm gdb article: http://www.ucdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/07/01/0630204 |
| 11:13:42 | dwihno | Zagor: was thinking about gdb software for the bdm |
| 11:13:50 | dwihno | Zagor: That's what is needed, right? |
| 11:14:02 | Zagor | it looks pretty generic, so we probably just need to modify the cable |
| 11:14:42 | Zagor | http://sourceforge.net/projects/bdm/ |
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| 11:25:38 | tboy | ok now it works |
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| 11:43:37 | tboy | I seem to encounter another problem |
| 11:43:48 | tboy | when the compiler gets to rombox |
| 11:44:34 | tboy | it says /home/rockbox/rombox.elf error 1 |
| 11:46:54 | tboy | could it be that I have to specify where the ucl components are |
| 11:47:04 | tboy | or the ucl compressor |
| 11:47:29 | tboy | I didn't read anything about that in the tutorial on the rockbox site |
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| 11:56:30 | tboy | [IDC]Dragon: In your FlashingRockbox guide |
| 11:56:54 | tboy | [IDC]Dragon: you say that the UCL Pack should be placed in the same directory as the sh1 compiler |
| 11:57:37 | tboy | I see that the compiler can't find the...oh wait |
| 11:57:45 | tboy | I have to build it first :D |
| 11:57:53 | tboy | [IDC]Dragon: sorry about that |
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| 12:03:26 | tboy | hmm...well no I compiled/built the ucl-package |
| 12:04:57 | tboy | no=now |
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| 12:49:35 | tboy | it seems like the compiler |
| 12:49:44 | tboy | doesn't find the ucl package |
| 12:49:52 | tboy | to compile and make rombox |
| 12:51:46 | tboy | I'll try to set the path in my profile |
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| 13:02:42 | [IDC]Dragon | tboy: you have uclpack.exe, right? |
| 13:03:19 | [IDC]Dragon | if not, grab it from the RomBox twiki page |
| 13:03:49 | tboy | yes I compiled it myself |
| 13:03:57 | tboy | but where should I place it |
| 13:04:03 | tboy | I put in the tools directory |
| 13:04:31 | [IDC]Dragon | no, I think tools is not in the path |
| 13:04:47 | [IDC]Dragon | I placed it next to the sh cross compiler |
| 13:05:12 | tboy | yes I did that to |
| 13:05:37 | tboy | well I made a dir in the same directory as the sh compilers directory is |
| 13:05:38 | tboy | :D |
| 13:05:58 | tboy | should I place it in th sh-cross compiler's directory |
| 13:06:01 | [IDC]Dragon | that no good |
| 13:06:22 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, it need to be in a dir which is in the path |
| 13:06:35 | [IDC]Dragon | not some subdir |
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| 13:07:27 | tboy | oh ok |
| 13:07:33 | tboy | well I'll try that |
| 13:09:57 | tboy | [IDC]Dragon: does your ondio have a backlight? |
| 13:10:12 | [IDC]Dragon | no |
| 13:10:18 | tboy | [IDC]Dragon: I saw you guys talking about it yesterday |
| 13:10:47 | tboy | [IDC]Dragon: since I was thinking of getting one, I thought you might know |
| 13:11:13 | tboy | [IDC]Dragon: you have the FM, right? |
| 13:11:20 | [IDC]Dragon | probably Archos saved it away |
| 13:11:24 | [IDC]Dragon | FM, yes |
| 13:11:28 | tboy | i was thinking of getting a SP |
| 13:12:10 | tboy | its strange, because some pictures I have seen of the two ondios |
| 13:12:24 | tboy | they have two different colored/backlit screens |
| 13:13:19 | tboy | the sp has blue colored and the fm green, its like that on the archos page too, iirc. |
| 13:13:47 | tboy | ok so now it makes the ucl files |
| 13:13:57 | tboy | but it still kicks me out with an error |
| 13:14:35 | tboy | */code |
| 13:14:35 | tboy | /opt/sh1/lib/gcc-lib/sh-elf/3.3.1/../../../../sh-elf/bin/ld: region FLASH is ful |
| 13:14:35 | tboy | l (/home/rockbox/rombox.elf section .rodata) |
| 13:14:35 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK tboy |
| 13:14:35 | tboy | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 13:14:35 | tboy | make[1]: *** [/home/rockbox/rombox.elf] Error 1 |
| 13:14:40 | tboy | code*/ |
| 13:15:07 | tboy | does this have anything to do with the space limitation |
| 13:15:32 | tboy | is it aborting the building because I have an FM |
| 13:16:18 | Zagor | yes, fm is too big for rombox |
| 13:16:25 | tboy | I was going to remove some debuging stuff |
| 13:16:29 | tboy | to get it to fit |
| 13:16:43 | Zagor | good idea |
| 13:16:57 | tboy | gut what is that error telling me |
| 13:17:11 | tboy | did you guys implement some size check |
| 13:17:22 | tboy | or is there something missing in my environment |
| 13:17:24 | Zagor | "region FLASH is full" means the linker cannot put all code in the designated region |
| 13:17:59 | tboy | ok, let me try something |
| 13:19:24 | Zagor | heh, C-x-5-2 works in textmode too |
| 13:19:32 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 13:19:32 | * | Zagor is an emacs geek |
| 13:23:46 | pike | last nite in bed I thought about the 68k compatible cpu. then I thought of aminet |
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| 13:24:16 | Zagor | pike: yeah there can be some gems to be found |
| 13:24:39 | pike | like maybe mp3 decoders? although I think they may be fp oriented |
| 13:24:43 | Zagor | trouble is most dont come with source iirc |
| 13:24:58 | LinusN | isn't libmad good? |
| 13:25:09 | pike | libmad is good. anything that dither I like |
| 13:25:30 | Zagor | i've already added libmad to rockbox, so we're set in the mp3 decoder department |
| 13:26:13 | Zagor | some nice m68k-optimised sidplay code would be good :) |
| 13:26:22 | pike | http://ftp.uni-paderborn.de/pub/aminet/mus/misc/mp3.lha |
| 13:26:27 | pike | oh |
| 13:26:38 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm away |
| 13:28:42 | pike | how the f** can accessing ftp with mozilla firefox make it nuke |
| 13:29:09 | Zagor | :) |
| 13:29:13 | dwihno | libmikmod! :) |
| 13:29:22 | dwihno | chiptunes to the people ;) |
| 13:29:33 | dwihno | "you want it, you port it"? :) |
| 13:30:29 | Zagor | dwihno: actually I've looked at libmikmod already. unfortunately it uses gobs of malloc |
| 13:31:10 | Zagor | although i have a feeling we need to add a small heap to support just such code. even tremor (ogg) requires malloc |
| 13:31:10 | pike | Clips is a quick util I wrote for playing PlaySID songfiles from a shell |
| 13:31:10 | pike | or similar. |
| 13:31:10 | pike | playsid.library and xpkmaster.library are required. |
| 13:31:10 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK pike |
| 13:31:10 | pike | Full assembly source is included. |
| 13:31:12 | pike | ;) |
| 13:31:22 | Zagor | pike: hehe |
| 13:32:39 | dwihno | Zagor: how much memory does the ihp have? |
| 13:32:45 | Zagor | 32 MB |
| 13:32:49 | dwihno | whoa |
| 13:32:53 | Zagor | yeah |
| 13:33:07 | dwihno | Well, a few K's could be reserved for dynamic memory allocation |
| 13:33:14 | dwihno | :) |
| 13:34:08 | pike | I've been wondering about something.. how can a 130?mhz cpu work with batteries. |
| 13:34:27 | pike | it's mindboggling for me |
| 13:34:33 | dwihno | Perhaps it might be possible to do the mp3 decoding in lesser mhz |
| 13:34:36 | pike | and work for so many hours |
| 13:34:43 | Zagor | dwihno: yes, hopefully |
| 13:35:03 | pike | but ogg/vorbis is not optimized for playback |
| 13:35:11 | pike | mpc is :) |
| 13:36:57 | dwihno | Zagor: Do you know at which frequency the original firmware works? |
| 13:37:03 | Zagor | no |
| 13:37:05 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 13:37:05 | * | dwihno senses great battery times |
| 13:37:12 | dwihno | If this decoder will use less juice |
| 13:38:18 | Zagor | well i'm guessing iriver uses motorola's mp3 decoder, which is probably rather heavily optimised. so we'll probably use more power at least initially |
| 13:38:46 | dwihno | ah |
| 13:39:23 | dwihno | 32 mbyte buffer is a bit insane :) |
| 13:39:26 | dwihno | but I love it |
| 13:39:35 | pike | http://www.computerbrains.com/ccs64/playsid.html |
| 13:39:58 | pike | figures.. asm src |
| 13:40:03 | Zagor | pike: yeah, but that is heavily optimised amiga-specific assembler with a bucket of dirty tricks thrown in... |
| 13:40:21 | dwihno | I recall that Sundell guy. |
| 13:40:46 | amiconn | Zagor: If you can get hold of the sources, there is a highly optimized 68k mp1/2/3 decoder library for the amiga: mpega.library by Stephane Tavenard |
| 13:41:09 | pike | Yes, the 6502 emulation is very fast in PlaySID, actually the emulation code is constructed by a program, and it uses every kind of dirty trick I could imagine |
| 13:41:32 | Zagor | i think focusing on the emac will bring us the most bang/buck |
| 13:41:59 | LinusN | yup |
| 13:42:19 | LinusN | there is no bdm code for m68k in the official gdb |
| 13:42:35 | Zagor | hence the sf project |
| 13:42:47 | LinusN | but there is bdm code for PPC, using the maccraigor wiggler :-) |
| 13:45:55 | pike | maybe this could be worthwhile? http://ftp.uni-bremen.de/pub/aminet/util/libs/mpega_libmad.readme |
| 13:46:04 | pike | optimized libmad for 68k |
| 13:46:26 | dwihno | aha |
| 13:46:30 | dwihno | cool stuff |
| 13:46:31 | Zagor | could be interesting |
| 13:46:38 | dwihno | the mad decoder |
| 13:46:41 | dwihno | is nice |
| 13:50:38 | amiconn | The mpega.library by Stephane Tavenard is still 2 times faster than this optimized libmad version |
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| 13:58:52 | Zagor | i don't see this being optimised much at all. seems more to be a mpega wrapper around libmad |
| 13:59:25 | pike | yeah I may bw wrong, he may have just used some switches to make it a tad faster |
| 13:59:33 | pike | compiling wise |
| 13:59:46 | Zagor | yeah that what it looks like to me |
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| 14:04:42 | Zagor | ah, finally found some power numbers: 1.3mW/MHz |
| 14:05:23 | Zagor | at 96MHz that means 125mW |
| 14:06:50 | Zagor | am i calculating all wrong, or is that less than the sh7034@12MHz? |
| 14:07:38 | Zagor | a motorola sheet claims "MP3 decoder requires only 19MHz" |
| 14:09:02 | LinusN | looks like i have to extend the ocd driver in gdb for the macraigor ocd wiggler |
| 14:09:13 | LinusN | well, well... |
| 14:09:28 | LinusN | i don't mind |
| 14:09:31 | Zagor | it's not like you have anything better to do ;-> |
| 14:23:01 | tboy | ehm...one question |
| 14:23:52 | tboy | I read somewhere that compiling with -Os should give me a smaller binary |
| 14:23:58 | tboy | so I could get it to fit my FM |
| 14:24:54 | tboy | now I've tried adding this in the makefile |
| 14:25:04 | tboy | I guess this is wrong |
| 14:25:10 | tboy | since its not working |
| 14:25:22 | Zagor | you need it in both firmware/Makefile and apps/Makefile |
| 14:25:39 | Zagor | i don't know if it actually makes the binary small enough to fit though. haven't tried it. |
| 14:25:40 | tboy | so I just add it behind -C |
| 14:25:50 | Zagor | no, add it in CFLAGS |
| 14:26:16 | tboy | ok |
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| 14:32:01 | benschi | @zagor, whatz up |
| 14:32:07 | benschi | everything fine? |
| 14:32:59 | Zagor | yep |
| 14:33:40 | tboy | yes it made it smaller |
| 14:33:44 | tboy | about 1500 bytes |
| 14:34:02 | tboy | I thank thats ok |
| 14:36:37 | benschi | any news about the LCD screen? |
| 14:37:26 | Zagor | nothing more than Dan Hollis verifying that it's not one from andilcd.de |
| 14:40:02 | Zagor | we'll have to measure the signals and/or disassemble the firmware. the markings appear to be a dead end. |
| 14:40:49 | tboy | Zagor, do you have a iriver? |
| 14:40:58 | tboy | an iriver? |
| 14:41:03 | LinusN | yes, but i have it |
| 14:41:13 | tboy | ^^ ok |
| 14:41:47 | tboy | it sounds kinda exciting |
| 14:42:02 | LinusN | it's fun, yes |
| 14:42:44 | tboy | I guess the newer iriver, the ones with the color displays, use different cpus etc. |
| 14:42:50 | LinusN | same cpu |
| 14:43:13 | LinusN | different lcd and different usb chip, but it looks like a lot of things are the same |
| 14:43:36 | tboy | is the iriver you got there, linus, a ihp-1xx? |
| 14:43:42 | LinusN | yup |
| 14:43:44 | LinusN | 120 |
| 14:43:54 | Zagor | we could use some scans of that too :-) I bet they use the Philips ISP1362 USB OTG Controller |
| 14:44:05 | LinusN | aha |
| 14:44:17 | tboy | the ihp usb 2.0 |
| 14:45:01 | tboy | don't the 110 have less memory than the 120-140? |
| 14:45:29 | LinusN | i don't know |
| 14:45:37 | tboy | oh ok |
| 14:46:35 | tboy | so with this cpu that the ihp are using, will you guys be able to use integrate decoders for codecs like AAC/MP4 |
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| 14:48:58 | tboy | ? |
| 14:49:06 | LinusN | any coded that has free source code and doesn't eat too much cpu |
| 14:49:59 | LinusN | codec |
| 14:50:22 | tboy | well I'm not that fond of ogg, doesn't it need pretty much juice |
| 14:50:52 | LinusN | it does, but it's perfectly possible |
| 14:51:03 | tboy | ok |
| 14:51:46 | LinusN | i mean, the original firmware plays ogg, so why shouldn't we? |
| 14:53:01 | pike | FAAD2 :) |
| 14:54:18 | Zagor | aac license fees: 1 to 100,000 units: $0.50/unit |
| 14:55:01 | LinusN | thanks a lot :-( |
| 14:55:05 | pike | really? FAAD 2.0 src http://www.audiocoding.com/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?cid=1&lid=4 |
| 14:55:08 | pike | for decoders? |
| 14:55:26 | pike | how can they host this freely then? |
| 14:56:16 | Zagor | the license is for apples codec. i didn't know about faac. |
| 14:57:09 | tboy | http://www.audiocoding.com/modules/wiki/?page=FAAD2 |
| 14:57:33 | tboy | guess this could be used, right? |
| 14:57:36 | pike | FAAD2 is a HE, LC, MAIN and LTP profile, MPEG2 and MPEG-4 AAC decoder. |
| 14:57:36 | pike | FAAD2 includes code for SBR (HE AAC) decoding. |
| 14:57:36 | pike | FAAD2 is licensed under the GPL. |
| 14:58:03 | pike | sbr is nice, it's what mp3 pro did for mp3 (not that I like mp3 pro) |
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| 15:00:20 | Zagor | unfortunately it's a floating-point implementation, which most likely means the coldfire will run it too slowly |
| 15:01:45 | pike | damn... |
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| 15:03:59 | tboy | dang |
| 15:06:27 | Zagor | "Please note that the use of this software may require the payment of patent royalties." −− http://www.audiocoding.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4 |
| 15:07:20 | pike | it's included either in mplayer and or FFMpeg suite |
| 15:09:06 | Zagor | well let's just say the floating point issue stops it and leave it at that :) |
| 15:09:18 | tboy | ok |
| 15:09:39 | pike | not for me, I'll continue hunting for a decoder that *could work* :) |
| 15:11:27 | tboy | well it would be cool to find one that is free of payment/royalties and floating points ;) |
| 15:12:16 | Zagor | the patent virus is unfortunately uncurable. the own the *idea* of aac compression, and there is no way to get around it. |
| 15:12:40 | Zagor | ..other than supporting FFII in their work for stopping software patents in europe |
| 15:13:11 | pike | btw.. isnt their roaylties for mp3 decoders also? |
| 15:13:56 | Zagor | i won't discuss legal issues in this channel. sorry. |
| 15:18:03 | tboy | ok, I got rockbox for my FM to fit the memory |
| 15:18:09 | tboy | or the flash rom |
| 15:18:37 | Zagor | one way to handle the dual displays semi-easily would be to display the remote buffer on the main unit when the remote is plugged in. then we "only" have to support dynamic sizing, not two different buffers |
| 15:18:40 | tboy | I'm gonna try to rolo my build and see how I crippled the debug menu |
| 15:19:38 | Zagor | amiconn, LinusN: how are we on the spdif issue? is it a confirmed bug or are we chasing a ghost someone says exists? |
| 15:20:20 | LinusN | well, i haven't verified it with s/pdif, and neither has amiconn |
| 15:20:38 | LinusN | but it's probably not a ghost |
| 15:23:32 | amiconn | Zagor: I *will* verify this, buit first I have to build a toslink->electrical converter. I'll do so this evening. |
| 15:24:40 | midk | gotta go.. back later or tomorrow |
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| 15:26:15 | Zagor | amiconn: ok, sounds good |
| 15:29:17 | tboy | ok |
| 15:29:24 | Zagor | tboy: works? |
| 15:29:31 | tboy | yes |
| 15:29:34 | tboy | I flashed it |
| 15:29:37 | Zagor | congratulations |
| 15:29:42 | tboy | and its running |
| 15:29:50 | * | Zagor smells a "but" |
| 15:29:56 | tboy | ^^ well |
| 15:30:47 | tboy | oh ok, I think now I understand the whole thing |
| 15:30:48 | tboy | ^^ |
| 15:31:00 | tboy | rombox is just the normal ucl, but uncompressed |
| 15:31:02 | tboy | right? |
| 15:31:16 | tboy | I thought it was a different bootloader |
| 15:31:23 | tboy | well ok, its working fine |
| 15:32:36 | tboy | shouldn't I have more free buffer now? |
| 15:33:01 | Zagor | yes, a bit |
| 15:33:31 | tboy | it dowsn't seem to have changed, or is it only that marginal |
| 15:33:40 | tboy | that I can't see it |
| 15:33:51 | tboy | well it says 1.780mb |
| 15:34:02 | Zagor | wiki says "about 170 kb more ram" |
| 15:34:25 | tboy | hmm maybe I got pawned :D |
| 15:34:29 | tboy | no just joking |
| 15:34:54 | Zagor | my non-fm has 1.615 free without rombox, so I'd say you simply remember wrong :) |
| 15:35:06 | tboy | ok that could be it |
| 15:35:08 | tboy | :) |
| 15:35:29 | tboy | well ok this looks ok |
| 15:35:44 | tboy | not sure if its really worth it, but sure was fun |
| 15:36:02 | tboy | what does the carch mem accesses do? |
| 15:36:15 | Zagor | carch? |
| 15:36:22 | tboy | I probably won't be able to use it but |
| 15:36:27 | tboy | catch |
| 15:36:52 | tboy | is it some sorta log-thing? |
| 15:37:05 | Zagor | it's for catching buggy code that writes in bad addresses |
| 15:37:12 | tboy | ok |
| 15:38:17 | tboy | yep you're right about me remembering wrong |
| 15:38:34 | tboy | mine has 1.614mb free without rombox |
| 15:41:29 | tboy | I just noticed something |
| 15:42:05 | tboy | I didn't know you guys implemented gapless play |
| 15:42:33 | tboy | or I haven't been paying attention to the development |
| 15:42:39 | Zagor | that's old |
| 15:42:42 | tboy | dangh |
| 15:42:54 | tboy | :) well |
| 15:43:16 | tboy | you guys have really made this mp3 player a whole lot better |
| 15:43:21 | Zagor | but it requires that the mp3 data is prepared for it |
| 15:43:38 | Zagor | well there wouldn't be much point otherwise, would it? ;) |
| 15:43:47 | tboy | yes, so it can buffer it in time |
| 15:44:11 | tboy | yea, but I admire what you guys are doing |
| 15:44:35 | Zagor | not just so we can buffer the data, the internals of the format is not designed for gapless playback so you need to make your files gapless specifically |
| 15:44:57 | tboy | oh ok |
| 15:45:25 | Zagor | http://lame.sourceforge.net/tech-FAQ.txt if you really want to know :) |
| 15:45:37 | tboy | is there any other project like rockbox, that has had any success |
| 15:46:35 | Zagor | it depends on what you mean "like rockbox". another mp3 player firmware? no |
| 15:46:54 | tboy | success as rockbox has achived |
| 15:47:29 | Zagor | that is very subjective. i like to think we are pretty unique, but i'm sure there are people who disagree. |
| 15:47:30 | tboy | oopss type achieved |
| 15:48:22 | tboy | well yea I guess unique is the right word, now that I think of Linux on Ipod and the avos project |
| 15:48:39 | tboy | those two are both trying to get linux running on their devices |
| 15:49:03 | tboy | while rockbox is an os built from scratch |
| 15:49:24 | tboy | and which objective is to be a good music player |
| 15:49:34 | tboy | with some nice features on the side :) |
| 15:50:23 | Zagor | those two also don't have a finished product that users are running |
| 15:51:21 | tboy | exactly, that kinda success has not been reached by any other project, that I know. |
| 15:54:15 | LinusN | gotta go, cu folks |
| 15:54:23 | tboy | cya |
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| 16:02:05 | tboy | I'll be going to |
| 16:02:07 | tboy | cya |
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| 16:07:35 | Zagor | yay, ibm is donating voice recognition software to the apache foundation. direct-to-text dictaphone anyone? ;) |
| 16:19:56 | ashridah | screw that. patch it into UT 2004, so we can finally order bots via voice recognition :) |
| 16:20:07 | ashridah | (on linux anyway) |
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| 16:34:31 | Elemeno | hey, I have an Archos FM Recorder, and when I try to turn it on the green LED just flashes real quick four or five times and them nothing happens. anyone ever face this? |
| 16:35:23 | Zagor | how is your battery? |
| 16:35:33 | Elemeno | it's fine.. at least halfway |
| 16:35:43 | Zagor | can you access the disk in usb mode? |
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| 16:36:10 | Elemeno | well, it didn't work before, but I just plugged it in and it works |
| 16:36:18 | Elemeno | it seems to be kind of sporadic |
| 16:37:00 | Zagor | sounds like a hardware problem, i'm afraid |
| 16:37:35 | Elemeno | hmm.. any idea what it could be? I just recently replaced the LCD screen on the thing, and I thought everything was working fine |
| 16:38:41 | Zagor | i'd suspect something with the power. if you have another disk try that. |
| 16:39:07 | Elemeno | another hard drive? |
| 16:39:37 | Zagor | yes |
| 16:40:08 | Elemeno | nope, I'm afraid not |
| 16:40:57 | Elemeno | I hope this HD is not messed up.. |
| 16:40:59 | Zagor | that's probably not it anyway. does it make a difference how hard you push the on button ? |
| 16:41:20 | Elemeno | it doesn't seem to, no |
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| 16:41:39 | Elemeno | I mean, whether I barely press it or hold it in for a couple seconds, it'll either work or not work |
| 16:41:58 | Zagor | ok |
| 16:43:01 | Zagor | well i'm afraid I'm no eletronics wiz so I can't help you any further |
| 16:43:02 | Elemeno | I wonder if it can be related to something being loose or not touching entirely right, because if I move the Archos, sometimes it will turn off |
| 16:43:27 | Zagor | check the battery connections, sometimes they are bent and the battery loses contact |
| 16:43:41 | Elemeno | all right. thanks for the help |
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| 16:44:42 | LePoulpe303 | What is the best utility to defragment MP3 players ? |
| 16:45:47 | pike | prob the same as windows uses, if it's the same filesystem |
| 16:45:59 | pike | and I do not mean their defrag |
| 16:46:04 | LePoulpe303 | windows one seems slooooooooooow and very uneffective |
| 16:46:21 | Zagor | you normally never need to defragment mp3 players |
| 16:46:43 | LePoulpe303 | Zagor: oh yes ? |
| 16:47:00 | pike | http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Utilities/Access_Control_Utilities/Diskeeper.html |
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| 16:47:48 | Zagor | LePoulpe303: mp3 players don't get fragmented, since you don't do a lot of writing to them |
| 16:47:53 | pike | ok if I make a post @ HA where I ask for a broken ihp unit ? |
| 16:48:10 | Zagor | pike: sure, go ahead |
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| 16:48:53 | Zagor | LePoulpe303: and even if it was fragmented, you would not gain anything measurable by defragmenting it since disk access is very sparse |
| 16:51:31 | LePoulpe303 | ok ; good arguments Zagor ; you win ; i shut down diskeeper who is blocked to 10% of the analysis since 5 minutes ;-) |
| 16:52:26 | pike | argument is valid, if all you do is fill your hd, then never removes tunes |
| 16:52:35 | pike | remove |
| 16:52:59 | LePoulpe303 | i remove a lot |
| 16:53:19 | LePoulpe303 | i put 10 albums ; i keep 5 songs ; then 10 albums again , etc .. |
| 16:53:55 | Zagor | mp3 files are so big that fragmentation doesn't become an issue even with lots of add/remove |
| 16:55:27 | Zagor | yes, the files are fragmented. but each fragment is big enough that it does not become a performance penalty |
| 16:59:06 | pike | an email adress ppl can mail to if they have a broken ihp unit ? |
| 16:59:17 | Zagor | bjorn@haxx.se |
| 16:59:33 | LePoulpe303 | i should buy a bigger disk, so that i would put all my tunes on the player , then i don't need to remove anything ..... |
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| 17:00:42 | pike | http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=27493 |
| 17:00:53 | pike | how many MiPS is the coldfire again? |
| 17:01:13 | Zagor | 125 MIPS @ 140 MHz |
| 17:03:53 | LePoulpe303 | on which iRiver model do you plan to port rockbox ??? |
| 17:05:04 | Zagor | the h100 series |
| 17:06:48 | Zagor | btw, i read somewhere that the 140 is a little *thicker* than the 120. that sounds strange, anyone know if it's correct? |
| 17:07:15 | pike | it is |
| 17:07:20 | pike | due to the thicker hd |
| 17:07:26 | Zagor | ah |
| 17:07:27 | pike | double plattered, single in 120 |
| 17:16:46 | Zagor | gotta go |
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| 20:41:44 | amiconn | __very__strange__ |
| 20:46:30 | * | amiconn is completely puzzel |
| 20:46:38 | amiconn | *puzzled |
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| 20:47:55 | amiconn | I did a 12 hr test recording, the only change being that m/s encoding is disabled. I didn't get a single frame sync error... |
| 20:48:12 | amiconn | But m/s encoding was on in 2.2 ........ |
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| 21:11:42 | amiconn | evening Jörg |
| 21:11:46 | [IDC]Dragon | hi Jens |
| 21:11:55 | [IDC]Dragon | I see you got your Ondio |
| 21:12:03 | amiconn | Yups |
| 21:12:05 | [IDC]Dragon | any pictures of the inside yet? |
| 21:12:20 | amiconn | Not yet. I have to decide what to do first. |
| 21:12:31 | amiconn | Currently soldering the toslink converter |
| 21:12:31 | [IDC]Dragon | busy with recording tests |
| 21:13:01 | [IDC]Dragon | I suggest you do that chapter first |
| 21:13:09 | [IDC]Dragon | more relevant for 2.3 |
| 21:13:40 | [IDC]Dragon | but I don't want to stress anybody |
| 21:13:54 | amiconn | I have a suspicion what's going on with Paul's recordings, although this is very wild speculation. |
| 21:13:57 | [IDC]Dragon | feel free to decide to go out for a beer! |
| 21:14:26 | amiconn | Any news concerning usb mode? |
| 21:14:34 | [IDC]Dragon | no |
| 21:14:46 | [IDC]Dragon | I want to take off the daughterboard |
| 21:15:03 | amiconn | Chances are the dautherboard is not there in the SP... |
| 21:15:08 | [IDC]Dragon | so I can measure at the USB bridge while operating |
| 21:15:23 | [IDC]Dragon | it will be there |
| 21:15:23 | amiconn | *daughterboard |
| 21:15:32 | [IDC]Dragon | it carries the ear jack |
| 21:15:39 | amiconn | Aha |
| 21:15:50 | amiconn | Nothing else? |
| 21:15:51 | [IDC]Dragon | dunno why they made it this way round |
| 21:16:07 | [IDC]Dragon | the recording jack is on the main PCB |
| 21:16:29 | [IDC]Dragon | no, else there's only the tuner on that board |
| 21:17:20 | amiconn | No line in jack on the SP, there is a blind plug at that place |
| 21:17:55 | amiconn | The archos fw handling is not very intuitive, imho |
| 21:18:28 | amiconn | There is some music "preinstalled", I guess it's the same as on all archos units |
| 21:18:47 | amiconn | (Don't remember if it was on my v1 though) |
| 21:18:59 | [IDC]Dragon | I think it was |
| 21:19:15 | [IDC]Dragon | I liked the handling |
| 21:19:38 | [IDC]Dragon | with recording and FM not hidden in some menu |
| 21:20:23 | amiconn | Maybe it's different on the sp. There is a "main screen" where you can select between settings and browser |
| 21:21:34 | amiconn | If you go to settings, there is a menu, with sub-items. But if you change a setting. you can only leave with the menu key, jumping back up to the main screen |
| 21:21:58 | amiconn | If you want to change multiple settings, this is annoying |
| 21:22:11 | amiconn | Btw, the rockbox idle timeout works |
| 21:22:34 | [IDC]Dragon | it did power off? |
| 21:23:00 | amiconn | yes |
| 21:23:04 | amiconn | I wonder how. There is no pin for switch off given, both in the jukebox port assignmments (except fm/v2) and the Ondio? |
| 21:23:35 | amiconn | Or do I have to clean my glasses? |
| 21:23:36 | [IDC]Dragon | that means it has power off like the FM |
| 21:23:58 | amiconn | How do player and v1 power off? |
| 21:25:48 | amiconn | We have to do an all-new battery scale... The symbol is constantly flashing |
| 21:27:45 | amiconn | We really need button debouncing... The Ondio buttons seem to be crap (or you didn't get the levels completely right |
| 21:27:54 | amiconn | ) |
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| 21:30:13 | [IDC]Dragon | FM and V2 have power on PB5 |
| 21:30:30 | [IDC]Dragon | for player and V1, it's hardware |
| 21:31:12 | amiconn | But poweroff by software is possible on player and v1... I wonder how this works |
| 21:31:49 | [IDC]Dragon | FM and V2 still hardware-power off, but with pressing off for a longer time |
| 21:31:59 | amiconn | Yes I know |
| 21:32:04 | [IDC]Dragon | ok |
| 21:32:19 | [IDC]Dragon | V1 powers off by software? Are you sure? |
| 21:32:54 | amiconn | Double click off-off -> "safe" powerdown, implemented by Linus. On the player it's in the menu only |
| 21:33:15 | amiconn | Don't you run a daily build? |
| 21:33:19 | [IDC]Dragon | about the buttons: have you compared your port readings to my table? |
| 21:33:23 | amiconn | Or a cvs build even? |
| 21:33:35 | * | amiconn does it quickly |
| 21:33:45 | [IDC]Dragon | cvs, but I power it off the old-fashioned way |
| 21:34:11 | * | [IDC]Dragon goes to make an MMC adapter |
| 21:34:18 | [IDC]Dragon | away now |
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| 21:35:42 | amiconn | AN4: No button: 001 Up: 1FB Left: 353 Right: 2A7 Down: 14E |
| 21:35:54 | amiconn | A bit higher than yours |
| 21:36:54 | amiconn | AN3: No button: 279..27C On/off: 003 |
| 21:38:00 | amiconn | AN1 and AN2 are identical, can't test AN0 (no MMC card) |
| 21:38:11 | amiconn | *identical to your values |
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| 22:40:18 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Converter is done, now let's test... |
| 22:41:55 | amiconn | Whic pin is spdif in on the recorder? |
| 22:41:58 | amiconn | *Which |
| 22:44:17 | * | [IDC]Dragon checks |
| 22:44:25 | [IDC]Dragon | you should hear it... |
| 22:45:19 | [IDC]Dragon | dunno, would have to try |
| 22:46:11 | amiconn | Both don't work :( |
| 22:47:24 | [IDC]Dragon | ok, I'll check |
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| 22:49:35 | [IDC]Dragon | the left channel |
| 22:49:51 | [IDC]Dragon | if you use a 3,5mm -> Cinch cable |
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| 22:50:09 | tboy | g'evening |
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| 22:51:17 | amiconn | The left is spdif out (digged up my scope) My spdif converter doesn't emit anything, though the dvd player sends (i can see the light in the fiber) |
| 22:51:25 | tboy | I've got a little problem |
| 22:51:47 | tboy | when I try to convert a bitmap to rb with the compiled tools |
| 22:52:19 | tboy | I end up with the right picture, but its inverted |
| 22:52:44 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: ARgh! Of course it couldn't output anything, since my input power connected broke |
| 22:52:57 | amiconn | Now it works, nice.... |
| 22:53:52 | amiconn | Btw, there is a simple rule: SPDIF In is for recording, which is the right channel, and the right plug is usually red. |
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| 22:56:52 | tboy | I now tried to invert the picture and then convert it to rb |
| 22:57:21 | tboy | but it then shows up Inverted on my box |
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| 23:01:02 | amiconn | When I play back the file I just recorded via spdif, the time & bit rate display is totally f***ed up: Bit rate 813 kbps, and it plays 0:40 of 0:29 (!!) |
| 23:02:01 | tboy | ok, thanks anyway |
| 23:02:19 | tboy | I'll better get going |
| 23:02:21 | tboy | cya |
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| 23:30:52 | amiconn | mp3fixer really must have a bug: If I feed an mp3fixed file back into mp3fixer, it does find further corrupt frames?! |
| 23:31:25 | Zagor | does it ever not find corrupt frames, or does it just not fix them? |
| 23:32:33 | amiconn | It tells that it fixes (i.e. cuts out) the corrupt frames. When using a second time, it spots some more, sometimes at the same and sometimes at other byte addresses. |
| 23:33:00 | Zagor | what if you run it on a normal lame-created mp3 file? |
| 23:34:12 | amiconn | I'll try that... |
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| 23:35:04 | SmoothOperator | hey boys |
| 23:35:08 | Zagor | howdy |
| 23:35:18 | SmoothOperator | heya Bjorn |
| 23:40:33 | * | [IDC]Dragon tries to uart-boot the ondio... |
| 23:45:33 | * | Zagor found the x11 button bug |
| 23:46:01 | * | LinusN is soldering wires to the tiny, tiny lcd connector |
| 23:48:29 | amiconn | Zagor: Checked a folder of lame-created mp3s. mp3fixer did not find bad frames there. It seems the bad frame detection works, but the fixing is broken |
| 23:48:37 | Zagor | ok |
| 23:49:30 | amiconn | Furthermore, mp3fixer has problems displaying byte counts >256 MB |
| 23:49:36 | LinusN | the lcd seems to be connected in parallel |
| 23:49:37 | SmoothOperator | On the Ondio, would you be able to use the MMC slot and the onboard memory at the same time with Rockbox, not one or the other like the Archos f/w? |
| 23:50:39 | LinusN | i'm trying to connect wires for logic analysis to the lcd data bus, but the pads are soooooooo small |
| 23:50:45 | amiconn | SmoothOperator: Using both at the same time is not possible because of hardware limitations, but we could make it selectable |
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| 23:51:19 | amiconn | But first we need to have a working mmc driver at all |
| 23:52:54 | amiconn | Those mp3 tools are all fishy :( They don't agree on the errors in my test files... |
| 23:53:18 | Zagor | :( |
| 23:53:41 | LinusN | we should write our own |
| 23:53:58 | amiconn | Yes, I really have to get my hands on that. |
| 23:54:54 | * | [IDC]Dragon gives up uart-booting |
| 23:55:27 | [IDC]Dragon | somehow it locks up when accessing ROM or Flash |
| 23:55:47 | [IDC]Dragon | but in general, it works, it has read the flash ID |
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