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#rockbox log for 2004-09-20

00:01:58amiconnm/s stereo does encode the sum (left+right) and the difference (left-right) instead of the left and right channels. This does usually need less bits, because the difference signal carries less information
00:03:27Zagorfyi: my commit adds a few warnings to the ondio build (unused functions in radio and recording), but I did not think adding lots of temporary ifdefs was important
00:05:13[IDC]Dragonyes, thanks
00:05:26Zagorahh, I forgot the neo build of course... 122 errors :)
00:05:45[IDC]Dragona lot to fix
00:11:19amiconnBtw: why is the radio stuff compiled for Ondio SP? It seems the source tree layout has to change a bit, now that having a radio and being able to record is independent from having a graphical display.
00:12:25Zagorthe sp and fm are not separated at all yet. we'll fix this soon.
00:12:44Zagorother than the config.h, i mean
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00:14:13kamayakahi there, still anybody awake for recorder fm problem (hardware :))
00:15:16kamayakahmm seems as if not :\
00:15:33[IDC]Dragonwhat problem?
00:15:53[IDC]Dragondon't ask if you may ask, just ask
00:16:00kamayakathe switching oszillator of the recorder fm of a friend of mine burned....
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00:16:24kamayakathe problem is that not all the parts in the schematics have proper values...
00:16:42[IDC]Dragonyou mean a power regulator?
00:16:43kamayakathe switching regulator is replaceable but one diode seems broken
00:16:57kamayakaitīs a switching power regulator
00:17:08kamayakaU15 MC34063A
00:17:52[IDC]Dragonand what exactly is the question?
00:18:43kamayakaif anybody has better schematics than the ones on the web
00:18:53kamayakatype of diode isnīt mentioned
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00:19:21Gn4tanyone alive?
00:19:34[IDC]Dragonwe don't have schematics for the FM at all...
00:20:19[IDC]Dragondiodes involved with switching power are usually Shottky
00:20:34kamayakadidnīt mean the fm sorry.
00:20:39kamayakajust recorder 20
00:20:44ZagorGn4t: how can we tell? :)
00:20:47kamayakajupp shottky i know but which type
00:21:28[IDC]DragonI don't think it's critical, pich one with a decent power rating
00:21:54[IDC]Dragonand/or look into the datasheet of the chip, what they suggest
00:22:23[IDC]DragonZagor: impressive commit
00:22:46kamayaka1N5819 diode four times bigger than the normal 1n4001
00:22:55kamayaka(in the data sheet)
00:23:06kamayakawell iīll see how i can fix it
00:23:16Gn4tHey guys - I've got a dead box, and I was just reading about reflashing it
00:23:18Zagor[IDC]Dragon: thanks.... i think? ;)
00:23:39ZagorGn4t: how is it dead?
00:23:39Gn4tim wondering if anyone thinks my issue is hardware related as opposed to firmware related
00:24:11Gn4tit simply wont turn on, whether in battery mode, or plugged into the AC adapter, or plugged into the computer
00:24:56Gn4tI only have USB1.1 so I left it transfering overnight and sometime in the night it had a transfer error and since then it wont turn on at all, no leds, no nothing
00:25:01Gn4tno sound etc
00:25:19Gn4tit still gets warm to the touch when you plug it in to charge, so idont think its battery related
00:25:28Zagorjust to be sure, try charging the batteries in an external charger
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00:26:44Gn4tit has a 1 year parts warranty and im inexperienced with things of this sort, do you think itd be better to just send it back?
00:27:26ZagorTry the external charger first. If that doesn't work, send it back.
00:27:48Zagoror wait, which model do you have?
00:28:05Gn4trecorder 20 v2
00:28:25Zagoroh, ok. well then you can't charge externally.
00:28:37Gn4tthought so
00:28:44Zagorso if you've already tried and failed charging it, send it back
00:29:00Gn4talrighty, thats what i expected
00:29:45*[IDC]Dragon needs to sleep
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00:29:52Zagordon't leave your next box in usb mode overnight. it's not really designed for such prolonged usb use
00:32:30Gn4ti think ill just use my other machine that USB2 so the transfer doesnt take 7 hours
00:32:40amiconnZagor: I just discovered another quirk with the new button code:
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00:34:40amiconnTry the following: (1) Put the cursor on a file. (2) Press on+play. You get the Onplay menu. (3) Select "rename". You are in the rename function now. Leave that with "cancel". (4) Press On+Play on the file a second time. You now jump right into the rename function, instead of getting the Onplay menu
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00:35:55Zagorthat's on player?
00:36:20amiconnDidn't try on the recorder yet, but could do so
00:36:30Zagori just tried there, couldn't make it happen
00:37:06amiconnI need more USB ports...
00:39:31amiconnHappens to me on the recorder too, but even worse... it jumps into rename right away, not only at the second time
00:40:49amiconnI tried clean builds
00:41:28Zagorah ok now I see it too
00:41:50Zagorthe menu triggers on PLAY|RELEASE...
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00:42:34amiconnIt's probably the same problem that triggers the double-leave from info->version
00:43:28amiconnThis does also happen on recorder, *if* you leave "version" with OFF
00:44:44Zagorargh, I fixed the version bug but only for player...
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00:51:53amiconnZagor: Btw, what's a "recording keypad"?
00:52:37Zagorwhere do you see that?
00:53:26Zagornice typo
00:55:48amiconn"Press ON to debug" is no longer correct. You do now accept any button
00:56:14Zagoryes, but also ON :) i couldn't think of new text that was short enough
00:56:29midk"Any key to debug"
00:56:55Zagorsure, that works
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01:00:37Zagorhmm, i think i should redo the menu code instead of triggering so much on release. triggering on press gives better ergonomics.
01:00:58Zagor...but not tonight. i'm off to bed now.
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01:07:36HElllishdoes anyone have any info on when the iriver ihp-120 firmware is gona be released by rockbox
01:09:33amiconnHElllish: You'll have to be patient I think. The iriver port is in a rather early stage
01:10:54HElllishok, just hoping for fixes on a few things like the 52 character limit which kinda sucks
01:11:01HElllishand also on the fly playlists
01:11:12HElllishwonder y iriver themselves havent actually fixed these problems
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08:39:09BagderZagor: is the Neo build disabled?
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08:40:27[IDC]Dragonhey, everybody is so early today
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08:43:44midki wanted to point out: on the firmware feature comparison chart, "Easy User Interface" is really more of a matter of opinion than a feature
08:43:56[IDC]Dragon2Zagor: Ondio key handlingis nice now :-)
08:44:08midki'd say it's easier, mainly because i'm used to it - when i started, back in 1.4, i had to take a while to learn it
08:45:10[IDC]Dragon2midk: agreed, I won't mark that as a feature
08:45:27[IDC]Dragon2btw, this whole table is kind of obsolete
08:45:54midka few things seem to be a bit wrong: archos f/w doesn't support pre-recording, just on the FMs and on the FM radio
08:46:02[IDC]Dragon2back from the days they had to convince people switching from Archos to Rockbox
08:46:50BagderI agree
08:48:01midksome of the features that are listed are sort of random: i see "customizable backlight timeout" (archos yes, rockbox yes) but not "customizable lcd contrast" −− i think some of the more common things like that should be taken out
08:48:23Bagderfeel free to provide a patch for it
08:48:33Bagderthe source file is in CVS
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08:48:41midki may just do that :)
08:48:50midkbut it's time for bed now, so talk to you all later
08:50:25[IDC]Dragon2I found another FAT16 badness: no space for our special config sector, because with FAT16 there is no unused space behind the boot sector
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08:52:31amiconngood morning
08:52:42[IDC]Dragon2hi Jens
08:53:24[IDC]Dragon2Befory you came, I just wrote: "I found another FAT16 badness: no space for our special config sector, because with FAT16 there is no unused space behind the boot sector"
08:53:27amiconn[IDC]Dragon: (lack of config sector space) Guess why archos uses that .bin file in the root
08:53:46[IDC]Dragon2yes, saw that
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08:57:43amiconnWhen FAT16 was designed, storage space was precious (unlike today)
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09:05:40LinusN[IDC]Dragon2: the config sector is located before the FAT
09:06:03LinusNthe FAT starts at sector 63, the config sector is on sector 61
09:06:30[IDC]Dragon2yes, but on FAT16, there is no such gap
09:07:40LinusNthat has nothing to do with the file system
09:07:54LinusNthe first partition starts on sector 63
09:08:08LinusNyour disk is probably not partitioned
09:08:40[IDC]Dragon2ah, then I mistakenly talked about the partition boot sector and its FAT
09:09:17[IDC]Dragon2I wasn't looking at the disk, just some magazine article
09:10:45amiconnLinusN: What happens if the # of sectors per track is <62?
09:13:14LinusNamiconn: then we're in trouble :-)
09:15:36*Bagder reads some stats. >12000 visitors came to our site from the last slashdot article
09:16:01[IDC]Dragon2oh my god!
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09:16:59[IDC]Dragonhow can you stand that pressure?
09:17:00Bagderwe normally hav ~2500 visits per day
09:17:14Bagderon sep 8 we had 14200
09:17:56dwihnois that a good or bad thing
09:18:16Bagderthey mostly came for the iriver blurb
09:18:28Bagderand we still have a long way to go before we have something for it
09:19:04[IDC]Dragonyes, greatly underestimated
09:19:09Bagderbut in general I think getting visitors is good as it spreads the knowledge about us
09:21:33Bagder> 1000 visitors came from this article:
09:22:48Bagderwhich is basicly a slashdot rewrite
09:23:24dwihnodoesn't sound to flattering
09:24:22Zagorremember that the headlines are not written by the article authors
09:24:58Zagorthe article itself calls it alternative firmware
09:25:16dwihnoBad mojo!
09:26:44ZagorBagder: yes, I disabled the neo build since I couldn't be bothered to fix the new button handling for it. we should remove it altogether since nobody cares about the neo
09:27:20BagderYeps. We know we can do it, but there's just no users who want it.
09:29:39Nibbleris there much similar between archos/iriver?
09:30:05Zagoronly conceptual. the hardware is very different.
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10:09:07Zagorneo going
10:11:19Zagorneo gone
10:15:20LinusNkill, kill, kill!!!!
10:21:48Zagordoes anyone know how to change the X keymap in cygwin? setxkbmap doesn't work.
10:24:42*pillo_ had lots of problems too
10:26:07BagderI'm planning a major makefile overhaul
10:27:05Zagorhow are you planning to do?
10:27:30Bagderfirst, make the CC choice in the root makefile generated by configure
10:27:53Bagderthen, I hope to unite all 4 current makefiles into a single generated one
10:28:25Bagderfirmware, apps, apps/plugins, apps/plugins/lib
10:28:55Zagorah. how do you avoid building firmware/test?
10:28:58Bagderthe point being that the only the pieces for the chosen target are included
10:29:30Zagorso the configure script basically contains a list of all source files, and selects those used for each target?
10:29:50BagderI'm not quite sure yet exactly how it'll end up
10:30:39ZagorI was just thinking we are doing pretty well with the current simple #ifdef system for selecting drivers
10:31:01Bagderthe makefiles are too complicated imo
10:31:04Zagornot that it's ideal, but it works pretty well
10:31:09Zagoryes, I agree about that
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10:31:37BagderI'll work on my approach as a separate build approach, and then we can test it out and bounce ideas
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10:34:09Bagderoh, and my approach won't use make -C
10:34:29Zagorright, but then you need a list of code somewhere
10:34:47Bagdercurrently I have "Makefile.tmpl" files
10:35:00Bagder(basicly the renamed original makefiles)
10:35:40Zagorbut those use $(wildcard *.c)
10:35:54Bagderand I'll let them do that for now
10:36:52Zagormaybe we should look at the linux config and build system, to see if there are any good ideas we can borrow
10:48:16[IDC]DragonZagor: you've been bidding for that broken ihp already?
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10:48:50Zagoryup. it rises like crazy. i'll see if i can snipe it this afternoon.
10:49:19[IDC]Dragonsniping meas not bidding beforehand...
10:49:36Zagorno, it just means bidding last
10:49:50Zagorbut yeah, it was a mistake to place a bid so early
10:49:59Zagori'm an ebay newbie :)
10:50:04[IDC]Dragonthe idea is not not raise the price by "premature" bidding
10:50:17[IDC]Dragonoh, sorry
10:50:45[IDC]Dragonyes, I saw the (0)
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10:52:15[IDC]Dragonif everybody is aware of the rules, sniping is pointless
10:54:37Zagornot really. it still limits bidding, since the time runs out. it's not a magic bullet, but also not pointless.
10:56:13[IDC]DragonI mean, if everybody places his personal max. as a single bid, it doesn't matter when this happens
10:56:41Zagorright, but people don't do that because they hope to come away with less than their max
10:56:52[IDC]Dragonbut people tend to advance their max
10:57:13Zagorexactly, because the the amount they enter isn't their true max
10:57:28[IDC]Dragonyou'd still get away with less than your max, because the 2nd highest determines the price
10:57:52Zagoryes but only if a third person does not also bid (and we are more than two bidding in this auction)
10:58:32[IDC]Dragonno matter how many, the 2nd highest rules the price
10:59:04[IDC]Dragonbut we bore each other with these trivial stuff ;-)
10:59:05Zagoryes. so you want the auction to end before the third guy comes in and places a higher bid
10:59:21Zagortoo late ;)
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11:14:09[IDC]Dragondoes the fat test code still build under linux?
11:14:45Zagori'll test
11:15:41[IDC]Dragontrying to patch a project together, for MSVC
11:16:56Zagoryou are a masochist :)
11:18:02[IDC]Dragonbut it debugs real nicely
11:21:50*Zagor faints from looking at the price of blade servers
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11:53:09[IDC]Dragonphew, got the fat test to compile
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11:58:09amiconn[IDC]Dragon: I did identify the full range of routines dealing with mmc in the original ondio fw now
11:59:53[IDC]Dragontoo lazy for own engineering? ;-)
12:00:20[IDC]Dragon(that's usually quicker)
12:00:21amiconnPlus: I found the archos bitswap. Although much more unrolled than our version (swapping 16 bytes per loop), it's still ~20% slower :)
12:00:41[IDC]Dragonso much for own engineering
12:01:16[IDC]Dragonany idea what the problem is with your MMC functions?
12:01:18amiconnYes, but I try to understand how this is supposed to work from the original code.
12:01:46amiconnNot yet. I'll probably toss what I have now and start again :(
12:02:57amiconnStill, we can learn from the code about different hardware versions. Btw: Did _any_ Ondio user other than me respond to your request(s)?
12:03:07[IDC]Dragonlunch time
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12:55:04[IDC]Dragonback again
12:55:52[IDC]Dragonamiconn: no other Ondio users spotted yet
12:58:41Lynx_how well does the ondio sell anyway?
12:59:02[IDC]Dragonno idea, I don't sell them
12:59:50Lynx_[IDC]Dragon: i didn't think so ;)
13:06:57ashridahi must say, here is the only place i've ever heard of an ondio
13:07:45[IDC]Dragonits' a cute littly box
13:08:21[IDC]Dragontogether with a leading edge capacity MMC (which I don't have)
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13:18:52ashridahmmc ?
13:20:30amiconnashridah: MultiMediaCard, flash memory card format. Currently available up to 1 GB
13:27:24[IDC]DragonSamsung announced a new flash chip generation
13:27:37[IDC]Dragonmaking 16 GB possible
13:27:58[IDC]Dragon(probably in CF)
13:37:39amiconn[IDC]Dragon: (as for own engineering would be faster) This is only true if you have the complete specs. We don't have Ondio schematics...
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13:41:24[IDC]Dragonamiconn: what are we missing?
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14:06:40amiconnWe have the full port assignment list, but we don't know for all of them what was the intention for this assignment
14:07:11[IDC]Dragonthe schematics won't tell you that, either
14:07:44[IDC]Dragonthat 7408 is the key to how togate the clock
14:08:28[IDC]DragonI don't see any more woes for the MMC hookup
14:09:14[IDC]Dragonmaybe I'll draw the '08 part as a circuit, to make it more clear
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14:10:51[IDC]Dragongrr, I dumped the partition, not the whole disk
14:20:01Zagorouch, bandwidth is expensive
14:20:18dwihnoZagor: how come?
14:21:12ashridahZagor: what'd you do, move to .au? :)
14:21:21Zagori'm thinking about getting colocation for another project of mine. it uses around 60-80 GB/month today and I expect to double that.
14:23:53dwihnoor bostadsthingy?
14:24:04Zagorbostadsthingy :)
14:24:34dwihnoyou make any money on that? (if not, you should)
14:24:41Zagori do
14:24:58dwihnoWay! :)
14:25:02dwihnoCapitalism works!
14:36:34dwihnoIs it a dumb idea to merge two mbox files?
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14:54:57amiconn[IDC]Dragon: It's not only the clock, it's also the data pins and the mysterious IRQ1
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15:10:25Odie_[away]hi all
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15:11:07OdieJust wanted to remind you that the ebay auction for that broken ihp-120 is ending in an hour
15:11:16midki was just looking at that :)
15:11:17Odiecurrent high bid is $62.99
15:11:30Zagori know
15:11:34OdieDunno if the high bidder is part of the rockbox team, or will be donating it
15:11:45Zagorhope not :)
15:12:18OdieIt's a shame that people trying to help out rockbox may have actually ended up bumping up the price :-p
15:12:32OdieZagor: are you going to be trying to win it?
15:12:36ZagorOdie: yes
15:12:47Odiegood luck :-)
15:12:48BagderI doubt anyone would do a thing like that without telling
15:12:59LinusNdon't be sure
15:13:05BagderI'm never sure
15:30:57*Bagder considers automake for Rockbox
15:32:08Bagderbut perhaps not
15:32:12elinenbe_workShould I bid $300 on it?
15:32:23elinenbe_workno... I am just kidding.
15:32:24Zagorelinenbe_work: eh, that would not help no :)
15:32:38elinenbe_workhas there been any more progress on the iriver ihp?
15:33:20LinusNelinenbe_work: not really
15:34:07ashridahwhere's this broken ihp?
15:34:23ashridah(not that i could even AFFORD to bid on it)
15:36:10elinenbe_workZagor: that's pretty close... not as bad as Korea or USA
15:36:49ashridahZagor: meant WRT to a web address
15:36:50ashridahbut anyway :)
15:37:01ashridahnevermind, found it
15:37:03*ashridah watches
15:43:04ashridahman. that would be handy. i hope you guys win it
15:43:10ashridah(for a reasonable price)
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15:44:23*ashridah almost, ALMOST, plugged his iriver into his nokia charger the other day o.o
15:51:46pillo less than 30' and the player already jumped to $72 :(
15:52:57pilloashridah: do they have the same DC plug?
15:54:55LinusNgotta go, cu around
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15:58:56ashridahpillo: yep
15:59:07ashridahpillo: and nokia plug -> iriver player == burn
15:59:14ashridahbit sad it doesn't have decent protection
15:59:58pilloyeah really... I recently bought an iriver and have a nokia phone−−- must take lots of care
16:00:16ashridahi keep the two chargers VERY far apart ;)
16:00:16pilloaltough it's difficult to mistake the bulky iriver charger :)
16:00:31pilloi will have to ;)
16:01:22ashridahthe wallwarts are behind objects here, all i have are the plugs hanging out
16:03:03pilloow I see... and the nokia has some 72V charger that happily fries your precious iriver :/
16:03:33ashridahuh. 72V?
16:03:43pillojust kidding
16:04:01pillobut anyways it's way too much... i believe 7 or even 12V
16:04:08ashridahthe problem is that the iriver has a li-poly battery, while the nokias tend to have li-ion
16:04:25ashridahso the cutout circuitry... doesn't cut out.
16:04:39pilloah, so the charging basically never stops?
16:04:42ashridahbut you'd expect it to be slightly better designed than that :(
16:04:47ashridahpillo: no, it's insta-death
16:04:49pilloyeah inndeed
16:04:52ashridahbut it's death by overcharge
16:05:07pillook thanks for explaining that
16:05:18ashridahand i don't believe it's fixable with just a battery replacement
16:09:35pillo> ten minutes and $80...
16:09:50Zagorrelax :)
16:11:09OdieZagor: do you think it's still a good price?
16:15:04elinenbe_workZagor: was there any progress on the iriver over the weekend?
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16:16:40Zagorelinenbe_work: no
16:16:42Odie2 mins and $92.16
16:18:38OdieWho's lbd2000 ?
16:19:06Zagorgot it
16:19:13pillowhoa cool move!
16:19:18Odiewow, it went pretty high
16:19:26Zagoryeah, but still half price of a new
16:19:49elinenbe_workthat's good. hopefully it will help in your hacking endevors...
16:20:01OdieZagor, you are the man :-)
16:20:09OdieWhen I can afford it, I will be donating
16:20:12ashridahwhoa. 150 bucks?
16:20:23ashridahsniping sucks
16:20:32Zagornot when you win ;)
16:20:56ashridahokay, let me rephrase that. 'having to snipe sucks'
16:21:42ashridahnow all you need is to set it up on a date with a flatbed scanner? :)
16:22:58Odiebtw, Zagor
16:23:12OdieThere was a member on MisticRiver looking to buy the ihp casing
16:23:32OdieIf you don't need it, you might be able to make a bit of money back by selling it
16:23:43Zagoryes, but he had an 140 didn't he? it's thicker than this 120.
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16:24:41OdieOh well, maybe ebay or the MisticRiver bazaar might still be an option
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16:41:58[IDC]DragonI missed the tense moments
16:42:36[IDC]Dragonwhat if the unit has just a minor problem, and you still have to sacrifice it?
16:43:40Zagorwe'll most likely still sacrifice it. after all we were ready to buy a brand new one and wreck it
16:43:42*pillo sighs at the thought
16:44:14Zagorgetting schematic makes life so much simpler, it's worth a little wasted money
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16:49:22[IDC]DragonI hope the PCB is friendly in that way, bo buried vias or even resistors
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16:54:24amiconnLittle question concerning the player - is it normal that I have to hold the On button several seconds to switch on the unit?
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17:00:37methangasno, the player should switch on by a single short press
17:01:22Zagorthe players (not recorders) require a long push
17:01:32Zagorseveral seconds
17:01:39amiconnZagor: Ah ok, thanks
17:02:24methangassorry about the misinformation, i assumed players and recorders worked the same way in that area of operation :/
17:02:48Zagorno problem
17:19:37Zagori'm off
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17:20:09[IDC]Dragonoh, just missed him for FAT16 questions
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18:10:51[IDC]Dragonhey, some progress with FAT16: I can list the root dir!
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18:42:33elinenbe_work[IDC]Dragon: nice work!
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19:54:35SmoothOperatorR.I.P. my archos
19:55:54SmoothOperatorjust deciding what to replace it with
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20:01:30dwihnoreplace it with a ... ?
20:01:42dwihnomonkey wrench? :)
20:05:05SmoothOperatori may get an iriver or an ipod
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20:41:33srndoes anyone know how to make a cross-compiler for the MFC5249 cpu with the m68k-elf-tools? is the 5249 supported yet?
20:43:54srnPaulS gave me this link - but I don't know if the 5249 is supported. it doesn't say anywhere
20:48:07_aLF <−− this message supposes that 5249 is supported
20:48:43_aLF(google "m68k-elf-tools 5249")
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20:51:34srni did that of course :) And I did see that post... did not help much though. google ain't floated with instruction on how to compile a MFC5249 supported cross-compiler. maybe I am just blind :)
20:53:07_aLFOk, sorry I can help more
20:54:00srncan I just write -m5249? instead of -m5200 - or is -m5200 also for 5249?
20:54:33srnthis is from
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21:18:51karachohi there
21:19:15karachois anyone here?
21:20:02methangasyes, 22 people to be exact
21:20:32karachomore or less
21:21:13karachoi've a an easy question (i guess): after flashing my rom, i can't update to the latest cvs version
21:21:51karachoit says "can't open ../rocks/.." when i'am playing the ucl file
21:22:06karachocan't find help in twiki for that
21:24:14methangasi have no clue about this, you made sure you got the right firmware and followed the instructions in where to place it etc etc?
21:25:17karachoyes, i've now 2.2 flashed in
21:25:31karachoits a recorder 20
21:29:50karachoah, now it works. I#ve "roloed" to the new version and flashed it from there
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22:12:49DoctorObviousWhere should I send a non-functional iRiver iHP-140?
22:13:53DoctorObviousRather, to whom on the Rockbox squad should I send it?
22:15:43amiconnDoctorObvious: I guess you could choose either Linus, Zagor or Bagder. Unfortunately none of them is here atm
22:17:45DoctorObviousAll right; I'll shoot an e-mail off to them
22:18:19DoctorObviousamiconn: Do you know if they've gotten any yet?
22:19:17amiconnIirc they got one from ebay today (iHP-120).
22:19:37amiconnSee the irc logs
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