00:02:30 | amiconn | Aaaargh! |
00:03:20 | bagawk | amiconn, ??? |
00:03:26 | bagawk | recording woes? |
00:03:49 | amiconn | No, just found a possible cause for the totally non-working MMC access on the Ondio |
00:04:10 | bagawk | :) |
00:04:23 | bagawk | brb |
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00:06:09 | amiconn | "Dear Rockbox, please don't mess with my serial port!" |
00:06:44 | bagawk | heh |
00:07:26 | amiconn | That means, I have to disable the serial (!) remote code for the Ondio, since the serial port is used for the MMC. Howgh! |
00:08:43 | bagawk | wow |
00:08:47 | bagawk | strange |
00:11:49 | amiconn | There is nothing strange with that. The CPU has 2 serial ports. One of them is used for feeding the mas (playback), the other is used for the remote control on jukeboxes. However, this is needed for MMC access on the Ondio, so I have to disable all remotre control code for it. |
00:12:31 | bagawk | ohh |
00:17:20 | amiconn | Ahaaa! Still not working correctly, but *much* better this way :-) |
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00:18:34 | amiconn | hi LinusN |
00:18:41 | LinusN | hi |
00:19:03 | amiconn | Just found one cause for non-working mmc access :) |
00:19:05 | bagawk | hey linus :) |
00:19:15 | LinusN | amiconn: saw that |
00:19:19 | LinusN | bagawk: yo |
00:19:24 | amiconn | Log peeker ;) |
00:20:04 | bagawk | lol |
00:20:07 | amiconn | LinusN: I wonder if debug builds make sense at all on the Ondio, since there is no spare serial port? |
00:20:35 | LinusN | probably not |
00:21:59 | amiconn | Hmm. I don't know how to handle that. I think this has to be accounted for in the Makefiles? |
00:24:48 | LinusN | yes, the configure script creates a makefile that sets the DEBUG macro |
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00:52:55 | LinusN | phew, finally back to normal after the disk crash |
00:53:05 | bagawk | ? |
00:53:11 | bagawk | disk crash? |
00:53:35 | LinusN | a failed partition copy operation made my pc unbootable |
00:53:47 | bagawk | ouchhhh |
00:53:56 | LinusN | so i have had some fun hours restoring the partition table and grub config |
00:54:04 | bagawk | you could have installed a boot loader onto a floppy |
00:54:18 | LinusN | i booted a linux rescue disk |
00:54:23 | bagawk | boot-us has saved my partitiions a few times |
00:54:30 | bagawk | ahh that works :) |
00:54:55 | LinusN | time to sleep |
00:55:00 | LinusN | cu around guys |
00:55:00 | bagawk | see you LinusN :) |
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01:57:04 | plok | We got an iRiver from ebay.. how exciting! :) |
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04:58:40 | bagawk | an Sebulba02 |
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05:03:13 | ashridah | hi |
05:20:57 | bagawk | have to reboot for my scanner to be detected :( |
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08:24:29 | [IDC]Dragon | morning! |
08:25:25 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN, Zagor: I implemented the FAT16 up to some level, but now face architectural problems |
08:26:18 | [IDC]Dragon | wit FAT16, the root dir position and size is fixed, after the FATs, but before the first data sector |
08:27:05 | [IDC]Dragon | our FAT driver works with clusters internally, not sectors. That translation is done later. |
08:27:07 | Zagor | yes |
08:27:55 | [IDC]Dragon | forthe root dir I would get negative clusters, since it is before the data start |
08:28:16 | [IDC]Dragon | (not allowed currently, and the values are unsigned) |
08:29:01 | [IDC]Dragon | and worse, the root dir size doesn't necessarily match a cluster integer, needs only to be sector aligned |
08:29:30 | [IDC]Dragon | although we could refuse to mount such partitions |
08:29:54 | [IDC]Dragon | (so much for my problem report) |
08:31:08 | [IDC]Dragon | how was this done in the original FAT16 code from LinusN? |
08:31:29 | Zagor | we need to add a fat_open_sector() which takes a sector number instead of cluster. and then we need exceptions in a couple of places to handle cluster<0 |
08:32:26 | [IDC]Dragon | so you'd say the clusters should be able to get negative? |
08:32:44 | Zagor | yes |
08:32:51 | [IDC]Dragon | clusters don't make too much sense for the root dir |
08:33:01 | [IDC]Dragon | when it's not aligned |
08:33:11 | Zagor | no but for all other files and dirs, and the whole driver uses the file concept (since fat32 does) |
08:33:55 | Zagor | just open a file at cluster -1, sector 4 (or whatever) instead of the normal cluster 42, sector 0. |
08:34:40 | [IDC]Dragon | another way would be to switch to sectors |
08:34:42 | [IDC]Dragon | not that I'm in favour of it, though |
08:35:02 | Zagor | switch? |
08:35:33 | plok | Is there a good starting point anyone can recommend for getting into the hardware side of things eg, tracing, soldering, measuring voltages etc.. without doing an Electrical Engineering degree? |
08:36:32 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: I mean, make the internal housekeeping work with sectors instead of clusters |
08:36:57 | Zagor | we need to work with cluster. everything other than fat16 root dir works with clusters. |
08:37:10 | Zagor | so make the change for fat16 root dir, not everything else |
08:37:52 | Zagor | in fact fat16 root dir works with clusters too, it just doesn't start on sector 0 in the cluster |
08:38:42 | [IDC]Dragon | for the ata driver, it'll get translated to sectors anyway, it would "just" mean to thaat earlier (but as stated, I don't like it either, just looking for ways out of the mess) |
08:39:10 | Zagor | I just explained the way... :-) |
08:41:09 | [IDC]Dragon | ok, ok, I'll look into it |
08:41:55 | [IDC]Dragon | so a potential fat_open_sector() would be able to open a file at a non-cluster boundary? |
08:42:04 | Zagor | yes |
08:46:47 | LinusN | plok: i'm sure there are lots of pages on the web with beginner guides to electrical stuff |
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08:48:23 | [IDC]Dragon2 | Zagor: sorry for bugging, I didn't realize the existing structures could be used to open a dir (file) at such a position. |
08:48:39 | [IDC]Dragon2 | Will try and tell. :-) |
08:48:59 | Zagor | it may need some adjustments, but I think that is the solution which requires the least amount of code or structure changed |
08:49:21 | [IDC]Dragon2 | that's what I'm looking for, yes |
08:50:33 | [IDC]Dragon2 | (the root dir is always unfragmented, doesn't use FAT chain, has a fixed size limit) |
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08:51:58 | [IDC]Dragon2 | c u later, thanks |
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09:19:16 | Zagor | iriver ships one firmware for 120/140 and a separate one for 110. Indicates hardware differences. |
09:24:44 | LinusN | aha |
09:25:14 | Zagor | so we need to buy a broken ihp100 too ;) |
09:26:03 | LinusN | hehe |
09:28:03 | plok | there was someone in here earlier implying s/he had a broken iRiver to donate |
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09:28:25 | * | Zagor checks the log |
09:31:23 | plok | DoctorObvious at the end of the 20/09 log |
09:31:31 | plok | looks like it's a 140 though |
09:31:45 | Zagor | well we're not picky :) |
09:31:50 | plok | :) |
09:32:27 | LinusN | he said he'll mail us, but i haven't received any mail :-( |
09:32:50 | Zagor | me neither. yet... |
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09:39:43 | LinusN | any protests if i remove the shutdown option from the recorder main menu? |
09:39:58 | Zagor | nope |
09:49:22 | Bagder | I've just realized why the deps stuff is re-run when you do make clean |
09:49:38 | Bagder | its an internal make rule that attempts to create missing include files |
09:52:34 | Zagor | yeah |
09:53:08 | Bagder | so its really hard to get rid of the rebuild of the deps when you do make clean twice |
09:56:13 | LinusN | i have no rewritten the A/D driver once again |
09:56:25 | LinusN | it now converts all channels every tick |
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09:59:09 | LinusN | i have tested it on my recorder and it works fine, but it *might* reveal some issues with the buttons |
09:59:23 | Zagor | issues? |
09:59:37 | PaulS | Hey guys. |
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10:00:01 | Zagor | hi |
10:00:30 | LinusN | Zagor: since the button A/D channels are updated more often, there is a possibility that the button driver behaves differently |
10:00:42 | LinusN | but i think it will be for the better :-) |
10:00:46 | LinusN | PaulS: hi |
10:01:13 | PaulS | Are we talking about the IHP button input? |
10:01:24 | LinusN | no, the archos |
10:03:10 | PaulS | Oh, interesting that it uses an A/D. Is it wired up similarly to the IHP? |
10:03:41 | LinusN | yes |
10:04:01 | PaulS | I'm from the old school where folks used scan codes. This resistor ladder / A/D thing is new on me. |
10:04:46 | LinusN | the bad thing about it is that we can't combine keys |
10:05:05 | Zagor | how many channels does the iriver use? |
10:05:37 | PaulS | It's interesting as well that the Archos and iPod both used a serial interface for the remote, whereas the IHP uses another resistor ladder. I spent quite a while with a logic analyzer being confused about how it worked. |
10:06:08 | Zagor | so the spi is only for the display? |
10:06:14 | LinusN | hehe, a logic analyzer wasn't the best of tools in that case :-) |
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10:06:40 | PaulS | Zagor: So far I've identified 3 channels of the ADC: 1 for external remote, one for internal buttons, and one for the battery status. |
10:07:06 | Zagor | damn. if all main unit buttons use a single channel, it will seriously hamper the interface |
10:07:14 | LinusN | indeed |
10:07:18 | LinusN | that sucks |
10:08:02 | PaulS | Zagor: That's right. I started getting suspicious (and scared!) when hanging a 50kOhm scope probe on the remote line caused the player to skip tracks. |
10:08:27 | LinusN | :-( |
10:08:32 | PaulS | The "Play" button on the remote is wired up to a separate (GPIO?) input. |
10:08:55 | LinusN | funny |
10:09:02 | [IDC]Dragon | sorry for OT: there's rumours that a Windows Media 9 Audio Decoder is somewhere available in source code? |
10:09:16 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: yes |
10:09:24 | Zagor | uh, no sorry. source code? |
10:09:32 | Zagor | i read "in iriver firmware"... |
10:09:42 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, source |
10:10:05 | LinusN | Zagor needs glasses |
10:10:08 | Zagor | :) |
10:10:52 | Zagor | haven't heard that. can't say i'm very interested either, though :) |
10:10:58 | [IDC]Dragon | any WMA in Linux? |
10:12:12 | Zagor | i don't know |
10:12:37 | Zagor | i know there are players who use the microsoft dlls, but I don't know if there are any native players. i doubt it. |
10:12:48 | [IDC]Dragon | :( |
10:13:01 | PaulS | You should definitely scope out the main unit buttons though. I'm much more confident about the remote's function since I've ohmed it out. It does look to me, however that at least in some cases the same function gets used for both sets of buttons, with only the ADC mux index as an argument. This may leave the possibility that the Play button on the main unit is also separate. |
10:13:21 | PaulS | In fact, I'd guess that it is, considering that it is used to wake the device from "off" mode. |
10:17:41 | LinusN | ah |
10:21:13 | LinusN | PaulS: in your schematic, where is the Stop button? |
10:21:20 | PaulS | Any interesting progress or questions I can answer before I head to sleep? |
10:21:47 | PaulS | The Stop button is S0, and R0 is 0 ohm. |
10:22:17 | LinusN | and RS? |
10:22:23 | PaulS | (I put a resistor in at R0 just to retain consistency in the discussion.) |
10:23:56 | PaulS | I actually never checked the value of RS. At the time I hadn't opened my IHP yet, and any voltage measurement I made at the remote end (which I did have open) would include some assumptions of VP which I also do not know. |
10:28:37 | PaulS | Have a good night, folks. |
10:28:44 | Zagor | gnight |
10:28:50 | PaulS | Okay, I'm calling it a night.. |
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10:41:47 | Zagor | amiconn: did you ever do any work to get grayscales in the simulator? |
10:46:06 | Zagor | methinks the simplest way to add color support to the lcd interface is to add lcd_setcolor() and lcd_drawimage() |
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11:14:17 | Zagor | LinusN: are you adding a filter to button.c as well? |
11:14:58 | LinusN | i can do that |
11:15:25 | LinusN | i wonder how it should be done... |
11:15:56 | Zagor | just compare the two latest, if they differ more than X throw them away |
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11:16:37 | LinusN | so i should keep the last two readings of the three a/d channels |
11:16:51 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: I have already implemented that |
11:16:59 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: good |
11:17:07 | LinusN | then i leave it to you |
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11:17:56 | [IDC]Dragon | I once did it, and made a little survey |
11:18:58 | [IDC]Dragon | but perhaps it was void because of the reduce ADC poll frequency, I didn't know that |
11:28:00 | Zagor | what kind of display does the h300 have? 8-bit, 16-bit, 24-bit? |
11:33:39 | LinusN | i have no idea |
11:34:02 | amiconn | Zagor: I once wanted to add grayscale to the sim, but then found that the x11 sim (unlike the win32 sim) doesn't use a bitmap, but sets/resets individual pixels. I see no way to do it without the x11 sim being changed to use a bitmap too. |
11:37:15 | amiconn | Since I'm not familiar to X11 programming, I have to leave that for someone else |
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13:47:06 | [IDC]Dragon | hooray, first FAT16 file access! |
13:51:29 | dwihno_ | waaaay! |
13:51:35 | dwihno_ | Go Jörg! |
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13:52:29 | Zagor | nice |
13:56:50 | [IDC]Dragon | but don't try to create root files, etc. |
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14:04:40 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: way to go! |
14:05:04 | [IDC]Dragon | indeed, some way to go. |
14:05:10 | LinusN | :-) |
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14:41:54 | midk_ | wooo! zagor101 got it! YEAH! |
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14:55:38 | amiconn | Zagor: Got my X11 "inquiry"? |
14:56:16 | Zagor | about the sim and colors, yes |
14:56:32 | amiconn | I need a bitmap to work with... |
14:56:55 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Your are progressing faster than me :-| |
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15:03:25 | [IDC]Dragon | not really, this was the easy part |
15:04:10 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: negative clusters for root dir have the side effect of not always being negative |
15:04:21 | amiconn | Now that I disabled the serial remote code, I get consistent responses from the card (although not those that I want yet) |
15:04:25 | Zagor | ouch. how come? |
15:04:27 | [IDC]Dragon | because the true clusters start a 2 |
15:04:32 | Zagor | ah, right |
15:04:46 | midk_ | Zagor, morning :) |
15:04:47 | [IDC]Dragon | so the dir runs from minus something to 1 |
15:05:00 | Zagor | ok |
15:05:13 | [IDC]Dragon | crossing the zero, which has a special meaning in varoud parts |
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15:05:29 | [IDC]Dragon | s/varoud/various |
15:06:39 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: sorry for the serial, I should have disabled that, I knew it's in the way |
15:07:55 | [IDC]Dragon | my FAT16 file system currently only works if you stay within the first cluster of the root dir |
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15:08:08 | [IDC]Dragon | subdirectories should work as usual |
15:08:33 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: what's the problem with crossing 0? |
15:10:47 | [IDC]Dragon | cluster 0 somewhere means not initialized |
15:12:12 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: ...and you swapped the chip selects, although this was no real problem, since I intend to select/deselect on access |
15:12:45 | [IDC]Dragon | sorry ;-) |
15:13:02 | [IDC]Dragon | was the twiki doc correct? |
15:14:21 | amiconn | yes |
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15:14:50 | amiconn | I'll get an MMC tomorrow, so I can test with external as well |
15:15:25 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: I found such a case at line 1683 of fat.c |
15:15:41 | Zagor | ah |
15:15:50 | [IDC]Dragon | || !cluster |
15:15:56 | Zagor | right |
15:17:30 | [IDC]Dragon | for clusters <2 (the root dir), I have to just count up, ignoring the fat |
15:18:19 | [IDC]Dragon | in fact, not reaching 2, because the the root dir would be full |
15:18:30 | [IDC]Dragon | then the |
15:20:33 | [IDC]Dragon | however I'll handle the case that nothing can get appended to the root dir |
15:29:19 | [IDC]Dragon | what else could FAT-wise happen to the root dir? Can we seek it? Will we truncate it? |
15:30:10 | [IDC]Dragon | (we won't delete it, hopefully ;-) |
15:31:09 | Zagor | we can't, since there is no pointer to it anywhere |
15:31:52 | Zagor | we don't seek dirs, we load whem whole at once |
15:32:30 | [IDC]Dragon | so fat_readwrite() is all I should take care of then? |
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15:33:27 | Zagor | actually we do seek dirs, in the fat driver itself |
15:34:24 | Zagor | i guess an exception in add_dir_entry will be needed too |
15:36:24 | [IDC]Dragon | and the name handling also moves around |
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15:49:43 | [IDC]Dragon | I think I better offset the root dir cluster, such that they don't cross zero |
15:49:55 | [IDC]Dragon | else too many problems |
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16:00:52 | Zagor | you mean offset it negatively, like -10? |
16:06:00 | [IDC]Dragon | already done, I now let it reach to -1 at max |
16:06:18 | [IDC]Dragon | before, it went up to 1 |
16:06:32 | Zagor | sounds good |
16:06:38 | [IDC]Dragon | because 2 is the start of the data area |
16:06:48 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, and works :) |
16:06:54 | Zagor | that's good too :) |
16:07:56 | [IDC]Dragon | needs an if in first_sector_of_cluster(), to offset the positive clusters with 2, not no offset for the negative |
16:09:12 | [IDC]Dragon | so my root can reach beyound its first pseudocluster now |
16:09:26 | [IDC]Dragon | still need to handle the seek |
16:24:30 | [IDC]Dragon | bbl |
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16:54:09 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/mymake.patch |
16:56:45 | Bagder | my take at another cleanup of the makefile/configure stuff |
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17:41:19 | webguest91 | hi all |
17:42:46 | webguest91 | I have a request for the website: a link for "download all irc logs to date as a single .txt .gz .zip" |
17:43:03 | webguest91 | Is that reasonable? |
17:44:10 | * | webguest91 realises he's just typing into the logfile... |
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22:49:10 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: u there? |
22:49:19 | amiconn | yup |
22:49:41 | [IDC]Dragon | how're things? |
22:50:14 | amiconn | Tried some modification of the transfer routines. Now it hangs :( |
22:50:31 | [IDC]Dragon | I shoudn't have asked |
22:50:40 | amiconn | And: I'm facing 34 printed pages of asm source |
22:51:20 | [IDC]Dragon | and still think reverse engineering is fruitful? |
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22:52:32 | amiconn | Hmm, really don't know yet. My transfer routines just look right, but they refuse to work. Obviously I must have overlooked something (like an & or such) |
22:55:03 | [IDC]Dragon | what does it look like on a scope? |
22:55:11 | amiconn | No clock :( |
22:55:23 | amiconn | I already was there, I know |
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