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| 07:07:21 | plok | Linus, I've pulled apart my AJB6k to see if the battery connections need resoldering (battery always drains very fast,unit powers off intermittently). Should I be able to see if the contacts need resoldering or would I not be able to tell just by looki |
| 07:07:22 | plok | ng? |
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| 07:14:43 | LinusN | plok: bend the small pcb outwards to see if it's firmly soldered to the chassis |
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| 07:21:24 | plok | Aah, I'm at work at the moment, but from memory, when I put the batteries in the small PCB sections were visibly pushed outwards. I will check tonight to see if the connection has been compromised. Thx! |
| 07:22:44 | LinusN | you're welcome |
| 07:57:33 | dwihno | \o/ wednesday \o/ |
| 07:59:48 | LinusN | hooray |
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| 08:01:02 | dwihno | Wednesday, orange flavored chocolate. Stuff can't be better :) |
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| 08:27:33 | LinusN | funny, since i committed my new adc code, my recorder sometimes senses OFF button keypresses when the drive spins up |
| 08:27:50 | LinusN | must be some kind of voltage drop when the drive motor starts |
| 08:35:34 | LinusN | let's hope some button filtering can cure that |
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| 08:51:09 | [IDC]Dragon | 'morning! |
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| 08:52:02 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: my button filter code needs to get brushed up a bit, it's more alpha than I thought, and for recorder keypad only |
| 08:52:18 | [IDC]Dragon | so I didn't commit it yesterday |
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| 08:58:38 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: i see |
| 08:59:07 | plok | Has anyone experienced a very "sticky" player button on the archos. Stop and Forward (down and right) are very hard to press/won't spring back into position? |
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| 09:06:54 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: but the main idea is to check if the last N measurements are stable within a certain corridor, and only than do the range check |
| 09:07:42 | [IDC]Dragon | I can't explain your OFF button problem, because that's a digital input, lots of margin |
| 09:08:06 | [IDC]Dragon | (I only filter the channels with multiple buttons) |
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| 09:10:13 | [IDC]Dragon | hey Björn! |
| 09:12:01 | Zagor | hi |
| 09:13:36 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: yeah, the OFF button is unrelated to the ADC, so i can't explain the false detection |
| 09:13:49 | LinusN | unrelated on the v1, that is |
| 09:13:58 | LinusN | hi Zagor |
| 09:14:34 | Zagor | LinusN: how frequently does the spurious off occur? |
| 09:15:01 | LinusN | it seems to only happen when the disk spins up, and it's only occasionally |
| 09:15:25 | LinusN | happened twice on my 35-minute drive to work |
| 09:15:26 | Zagor | is it any different if charger is connected or not? |
| 09:15:28 | Zagor | ok |
| 09:15:39 | LinusN | i haven't tried with the charger |
| 09:16:05 | LinusN | people have reported similar problems with the old adc driver as well |
| 09:16:22 | LinusN | but i haven't seen it on my jukebox until now |
| 09:16:44 | Zagor | I have only seen ADC problem reports, not GPIO buttons |
| 09:16:45 | LinusN | i wonder if the adc conversion affects the current draw of the cpu |
| 09:17:04 | LinusN | spurious OFF events have been reported afaik |
| 09:19:24 | mbr | morning |
| 09:19:31 | LinusN | morning |
| 09:19:42 | mbr | Just saw you are talking about the OFF button problem |
| 09:19:52 | mbr | My recorder also suffers of this |
| 09:20:00 | LinusN | v1 or fm? |
| 09:20:09 | mbr | Only if battery is below 50% |
| 09:20:17 | mbr | and only if disk is spinning |
| 09:20:21 | mbr | v1 |
| 09:21:12 | LinusN | i can imagine that it is a problem with inadequate decoupling or something like that |
| 09:22:34 | LinusN | i wonder if it happens if "disk poweroff" is off? |
| 09:23:19 | LinusN | hmm, it was already off on my jukebox |
| 09:23:58 | mbr | mine too |
| 09:25:29 | mbr | for now i "fix: it with turning keylock on :( |
| 09:25:47 | LinusN | badness |
| 09:26:05 | mbr | Do you think it could be a battery problem? |
| 09:26:09 | mbr | bad batteries? |
| 09:26:15 | LinusN | i don't think so |
| 09:26:56 | LinusN | i still wonder why the faster ADC conversion triggers the problem for me |
| 09:27:06 | mbr | I wasn't sure because on disk access my backlight also gets a litte bit darker |
| 09:27:20 | mbr | and i can't remember how it was before |
| 09:30:37 | Zagor | we need to measure the current draw with different AD use |
| 09:34:21 | webmind | moin |
| 09:38:27 | [IDC]Dragon | mabe we shouldn't treat the binary port C inputs as analogue |
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| 09:42:49 | Zagor | we don't use port C, we use AN[0-8] |
| 09:43:17 | Zagor | -7 |
| 09:44:48 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: how do you mean? |
| 09:46:47 | Zagor | btw, for those who don't read the misticriver forum: the ihp100 only has 16MB ram, 120/140 32MB |
| 09:47:28 | Bagder | aha |
| 09:48:15 | Zagor | there's also a comment saying 120+ being able to drive a mic in the line-in port, while <120 can't |
| 09:51:14 | LinusN | Zagor: the analogue inputs can be read "digitally" in Port C |
| 09:53:14 | LinusN | would work with the ON/OFF buttons on the FMR, and we did that in earlier versions of the Player button code |
| 09:54:05 | LinusN | however, it is a bad idea to mix the two ways, since the port c bits are invalid during the conversion |
| 09:55:27 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: all of them, or those configured as analogue? |
| 09:55:50 | Zagor | but since this also happens on v1, which has off on a gpio port, I don't see the relevance. |
| 09:56:22 | [IDC]Dragon | good point |
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| 09:57:39 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: only those that are being converted |
| 09:58:07 | [IDC]Dragon | which is the whole batch of 4? |
| 09:58:33 | [IDC]Dragon | even if one inbetween is configured as digital in? |
| 09:58:51 | LinusN | the docs aren't clear on this, but i wouldn't trust any of the 4 during the scan |
| 09:59:00 | LinusN | hmm |
| 09:59:01 | * | [IDC]Dragon could dig it up in the datasheet, excuse laziness |
| 09:59:23 | LinusN | only the bits that are included in the scan |
| 09:59:31 | LinusN | are affected |
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| 10:00:00 | LinusN | btw, there is no digital/analog configuration |
| 10:00:19 | LinusN | the portc bits are always active |
| 10:00:45 | LinusN | but the respective bits are invalid during the conversion |
| 10:24:46 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/mymake2.patch |
| 10:25:05 | Bagder | not yet "configure upgrade" compatible |
| 10:25:23 | Bagder | but a lot simpler makefiles, if I make say so |
| 10:25:29 | Bagder | may |
| 10:31:05 | Zagor | testing... |
| 10:31:57 | Bagder | the goal here is to move platform-specific knowledge to configure or keep in the sources |
| 10:32:18 | LinusN | Bagder: the current binutils CVS includes the EMAC patch for the coldfire |
| 10:32:29 | Bagder | neato |
| 10:32:42 | LinusN | i don't know how well it plays with gcc though |
| 10:32:54 | Bagder | it'll be exiting |
| 10:33:11 | LinusN | it seems like gcc 3.4 has better coldfire support |
| 10:33:42 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: I found a buglet in fat.c, panicf("Writing before data\n") doesn't work as intended |
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| 10:34:41 | [IDC]Dragon | because start is already offsetted by the partition start, versus fat_bpb.firstdatasector is not |
| 10:35:23 | Zagor | right, good catch. |
| 10:35:26 | [IDC]Dragon | I suggest to do the offset within transfer(), not by the caller |
| 10:35:34 | [IDC]Dragon | saves code, too |
| 10:35:42 | [IDC]Dragon | mefix |
| 10:35:44 | Bagder | "Code generation for the ColdFire processors family has been enhanced and extended" (gcc 3.4 changelog) |
| 10:35:46 | Zagor | good |
| 10:36:10 | oxygen77 | hello all, I have a question on wav playback (and I know it's on nodo and that it has been discussed a lot) |
| 10:36:27 | Zagor | :) ask away |
| 10:36:51 | oxygen77 | what I want to know is what is known about code that can be downloaded on the MAS |
| 10:36:55 | oxygen77 | (for linav) |
| 10:37:23 | LinusN | oxygen77: it is possible to d/l code to the mas |
| 10:37:37 | LinusN | and we have code for WAV playback for the 3507D |
| 10:37:58 | oxygen77 | I have also the code for the 3587F |
| 10:37:59 | LinusN | but that code requires a different h/w configuration than the jukebox has |
| 10:38:12 | LinusN | oxygen77: nice, can i have it? |
| 10:38:18 | oxygen77 | sure |
| 10:38:20 | LinusN | do you have 3587f dox as well? |
| 10:38:28 | oxygen77 | ? |
| 10:38:32 | oxygen77 | oh ok |
| 10:38:39 | LinusN | dox==documentation |
| 10:38:46 | oxygen77 | the one from micronas website |
| 10:38:52 | Bagder | h4ck3r lingo linus ;-) |
| 10:38:59 | LinusN | the standard data sheets? |
| 10:39:21 | oxygen77 | yup |
| 10:39:56 | Zagor | how is the mas connected to the cpu on the avos? |
| 10:40:36 | [IDC]Dragon | we'd need a microcode that can take wav input at the serial port |
| 10:40:48 | [IDC]Dragon | not just parallel |
| 10:41:18 | oxygen77 | 2 connections |
| 10:41:19 | [IDC]Dragon | because out parallel is input only :-( |
| 10:41:26 | [IDC]Dragon | s/out/our |
| 10:41:37 | LinusN | the wav code for the mas3507d is serial |
| 10:41:47 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: yes and the serial port is too slow for 44.1 kHz wav |
| 10:42:00 | LinusN | but it is not using the demand protocol |
| 10:42:00 | oxygen77 | parallel and 22c |
| 10:42:02 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm not sure |
| 10:42:03 | oxygen77 | *i2c |
| 10:42:23 | LinusN | wav playback over i2c? i doubt it |
| 10:42:43 | oxygen77 | no but PIO |
| 10:42:53 | oxygen77 | i2c is used for control |
| 10:43:09 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: we may use 3 MBit |
| 10:44:37 | oxygen77 | LinusN, did you disasm the wav code? |
| 10:44:51 | LinusN | i have the source |
| 10:44:59 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: how? |
| 10:45:01 | oxygen77 | k |
| 10:45:16 | LinusN | it depends on SDI and SDO having the same clock |
| 10:45:26 | oxygen77 | and you konw how it works? |
| 10:45:28 | LinusN | which it hasn't on the jukebox |
| 10:45:36 | oxygen77 | k |
| 10:46:09 | Zagor | Bagder: i don't think "configure update" is terribly important |
| 10:46:14 | Bagder | me neither |
| 10:46:26 | Bagder | its _reaaally_ hard to maintain |
| 10:46:30 | Zagor | yeah |
| 10:46:35 | LinusN | so we might be able to write a wav playback module that can use the demand protocol like the mpeg decoder does, but there is no docs on how to do that |
| 10:46:41 | Bagder | Zagor: I just tried this instead: |
| 10:47:04 | Bagder | add "2\n\2\nN\n\n" in a file, then run "../tools/configure < file" |
| 10:47:18 | Zagor | :) |
| 10:47:28 | Bagder | that is a lot easier |
| 10:51:40 | LinusN | i worked a little on wav playback some time ago, got some funny noises, but i couldn't figure out how to implement the demand protocol and the buffering |
| 10:51:40 | oxygen77 | k |
| 10:51:40 | LinusN | the wav module from micronas is simply a pass-through device |
| 10:51:40 | oxygen77 | yup |
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| 10:52:34 | Bagder | Zagor: and do try my 'make clean' ;-) |
| 10:52:49 | Bagder | leaves nothing but the Makefile |
| 10:52:58 | Zagor | that's nice |
| 10:53:11 | Zagor | commit this, it's better in every way |
| 10:54:26 | LinusN | Bagder: "clean" is using wildcards? |
| 10:54:32 | Bagder | no |
| 10:54:38 | Bagder | just fixed to clean better |
| 10:54:41 | LinusN | good |
| 10:55:00 | LinusN | Bagder is a makefile ninja |
| 10:55:59 | LinusN | Zagor: i want the broken iriver NOW! |
| 10:56:05 | Zagor | ;) |
| 10:56:17 | Bagder | Zagor: will you take care of running configure on the automatic builds? |
| 10:57:21 | Bagder | we could alter the scripts to use the "configure < input" approach isntead of "configure update" |
| 10:57:31 | Bagder | since the update one isn't working anymore |
| 10:57:33 | Zagor | yes |
| 10:57:58 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I now have a strong suspicion what causes the serial mmc communication problems, as I now understand some dirty trick that the archos xfer routines do. Will have to prepare some special test pattern and hook up the scope to verify this |
| 10:58:12 | Bagder | commit coming up |
| 10:58:56 | Bagder | done |
| 10:59:00 | LinusN | echo -e "2\n2\nN\n" | configure |
| 10:59:08 | Bagder | exactly |
| 10:59:39 | Bagder | but one return nire, isn't it? |
| 10:59:40 | Bagder | for language |
| 10:59:46 | Bagder | s/nire/more |
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| 11:00:24 | Zagor | dine |
| 11:00:25 | Zagor | done |
| 11:00:46 | Bagder | gotta go, a little girl is waking up... |
| 11:01:25 | Zagor | ehe, can't use '2' for all builds ;) |
| 11:01:32 | Bagder | haha |
| 11:07:30 | oxygen77 | LinusN, do you want the code (bin version) of the wav decoder used on av3xx? |
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| 11:08:22 | LinusN | oxygen77: nah, i won't have the time to analyze it, and to be honest, wav playback isn't top priority for me |
| 11:10:39 | oxygen77 | k |
| 11:10:41 | [IDC]Dragon | hey, let's not lose this |
| 11:10:57 | oxygen77 | I want to have it work on the av to try ogg playback |
| 11:11:25 | oxygen77 | could you send me the source you have? |
| 11:11:36 | LinusN | oxygen77: hang on |
| 11:11:38 | [IDC]Dragon | oxygen77: how about putting it intoa twiki page? |
| 11:12:18 | oxygen77 | [IDC]Dragon, what do you mean? |
| 11:13:55 | [IDC]Dragon | we should keep that code |
| 11:14:03 | oxygen77 | k |
| 11:14:26 | oxygen77 | it's only a bin code directly from archos firmware |
| 11:15:51 | Zagor | don't put archos code in the wiki. it's not legal. |
| 11:16:14 | oxygen77 | yup, that's why I'm asking ;) |
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| 11:48:35 | [IDC]Dragon | oxygen77: if nobody wants it, email it to me |
| 11:54:20 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: how strict should I be with my #ifdef HAVE_FAT16SUPPORT ? |
| 11:54:39 | [IDC]Dragon | right now, I have bracketed every tiny extension |
| 11:55:21 | LinusN | you mean that the code could coexist without the #ifdef? |
| 11:55:51 | [IDC]Dragon | we could relax it a bit, leaving afew unused members and statements in case it's not defined (FAT32 only) |
| 11:56:16 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: coexist? |
| 11:56:55 | LinusN | coexist == both fat16 and fat32 in the driver, without conditionals |
| 11:57:16 | LinusN | i see no problems supporting both types |
| 11:57:22 | [IDC]Dragon | if I define HAVE_FAT16SUPPORT, the code can doboth, yes |
| 11:57:33 | LinusN | the only reason not to would be code size |
| 11:57:38 | [IDC]Dragon | if I don't define it, it's FAT32 only |
| 11:58:01 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, in order not to carry ballast for the HD models |
| 11:58:55 | LinusN | i think you can be the judge of that, whichever you feel is best |
| 11:59:08 | LinusN | the only problem would be cluttered code |
| 11:59:37 | LinusN | if there are lots of ifdefs, that is |
| 11:59:40 | [IDC]Dragon | the I'd commit the strict version first, I can still relax it |
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| 12:01:16 | [IDC]Dragon | thedefine is currently checked at 17 places |
| 12:07:54 | LinusN | i agree, commit what you have, and we can strip the ifdefs later if we want |
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| 12:47:30 | Zagor | whoa, $50 donation just came in |
| 12:48:21 | dwihno | \o/ |
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| 12:52:29 | LinusN | wow |
| 12:54:28 | [IDC]Dragon | somebody we know? |
| 12:54:50 | [IDC]Dragon | what's the donation balance, if I may ask? |
| 12:54:57 | Zagor | i don't know him anyawy :) |
| 12:59:19 | Zagor | fund balance is about a thousand dollars |
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| 13:01:05 | [IDC]Dragon | not bad for getting some boxes |
| 13:01:29 | Zagor | no |
| 13:03:05 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: is there some script for the fat test? |
| 13:03:20 | Zagor | yes, test.sh |
| 13:03:21 | [IDC]Dragon | like a regression test or so? |
| 13:03:46 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, I overlooked that |
| 13:05:39 | [IDC]Dragon | hmm, looks like I can't easily tun that on Windows |
| 13:05:53 | [IDC]Dragon | s/tun/run |
| 13:06:50 | Zagor | cygwin should be able to run it |
| 13:07:03 | Zagor | or even a standalone bash.exe |
| 13:07:16 | [IDC]Dragon | even building the disk image, mounting it, etc. ? |
| 13:07:33 | Zagor | ah, no I forgot that |
| 13:07:52 | Zagor | a great reason to switch to linux ;) |
| 13:08:19 | [IDC]Dragon | sigh |
| 13:08:56 | [IDC]Dragon | I once tried, I can say to my defense |
| 13:09:16 | Zagor | I'm just joking |
| 13:09:20 | [IDC]Dragon | but knoppix failed to properly install lilo |
| 13:10:17 | [IDC]Dragon | just a few weeks ago I gave up the 20 GB hole in my HD partitioning, which I reserved |
| 13:11:22 | Zagor | I'm thinking about displaying last 5 donations on the website. do you think people would mind having their names listed? |
| 13:12:41 | [IDC]Dragon | as a donator, I would welcome some "official" appreciation |
| 13:13:19 | [IDC]Dragon | people donate money during TV galas just to see their name scroll through |
| 13:13:28 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: As we discussed the way of browsing both internal & external flash at the same time and I said that I'd prefer the unix way, there is another reason why this way should be preferred: This way, the path /.rockbox would be always valid |
| 13:13:46 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi Jens! |
| 13:14:03 | [IDC]Dragon | I'd prefer that way, too |
| 13:19:29 | [IDC]Dragon | how's th MMC in general? |
| 13:26:10 | amiconn | [10:58:00] <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I now have a strong suspicion what causes the serial mmc communication problems, as I now understand some dirty trick that the archos xfer routines do. Will have to prepare some special test pattern and hook up the scope to verify this |
| 13:26:53 | [IDC]Dragon | why is the sync mode so tricky? |
| 13:31:13 | amiconn | Which the SH1 SCI, it is rather tricky to receive well-defined amounts of bytes, because (1) the SH tries to recieve (and clocks the SCI) as long as the receiver is enabled, and then stops on overrun error. (2) the SH SCI uses double buffering |
| 13:31:25 | amiconn | s/Which/With/ |
| 13:32:28 | [IDC]Dragon | hmm |
| 13:33:25 | amiconn | The archos routines use a rather clever trick to circumvent this problem |
| 13:41:40 | [IDC]Dragon | good that you peeked in... |
| 13:41:56 | [IDC]Dragon | sorry, I thought this would be easier |
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| 14:22:33 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: the testsuite fails a test |
| 14:22:41 | [IDC]Dragon | on my FAT16 |
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| 14:23:17 | [IDC]Dragon | it's strange, it panics with a non-empty dir entry |
| 14:23:28 | Zagor | that's what it's for :) |
| 14:23:52 | [IDC]Dragon | I haven't touched the dir entry handling |
| 14:24:03 | [IDC]Dragon | otherwise, it went quite far |
| 14:24:13 | Zagor | try it with a fat32 disk and see if the same thing happens |
| 14:24:35 | [IDC]Dragon | I have no disk image at hand |
| 14:24:48 | Zagor | how are you testing fat16 then? |
| 14:25:02 | [IDC]Dragon | with a FAT16 disk image ;-) |
| 14:25:15 | [IDC]Dragon | I meant, no FAT32 image at hand |
| 14:25:31 | [IDC]Dragon | the one I have is the dumped Ondio |
| 14:25:40 | Zagor | I won't mention linux again, promise :) |
| 14:25:45 | [IDC]Dragon | ok |
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| 14:27:16 | [IDC]Dragon | this will have to wait for later |
| 14:27:47 | Zagor | if you send me the code I can run some tests |
| 14:28:25 | [IDC]Dragon | thanks, we'll do that later |
| 14:29:00 | [IDC]Dragon | I have to mergethe code first, unfortunately the one I modified is 2 revisions old |
| 14:29:33 | Zagor | ow |
| 14:29:39 | [IDC]Dragon | that was my working PC simulation, a bit aged |
| 14:30:06 | [IDC]Dragon | not too bad, I will patch it |
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| 14:51:49 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: I've emailed you the merged fat.c now |
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| 14:52:17 | Poddan | tjena alla |
| 14:52:43 | [IDC]Dragon | tjena Poddan |
| 14:52:46 | Poddan | vad står MDB för i Sound Settings? |
| 14:53:03 | Poddan | är det extra bas, eller något helt annat? |
| 14:53:09 | Zagor | Micronas Dynamic Bass (och prata engelska, det är en intl kanal) |
| 14:53:12 | [IDC]Dragon | no, I don't speak svenska |
| 14:53:24 | Poddan | oh sorry xD |
| 14:54:40 | kaboofa | ich liebe apfels! |
| 14:54:57 | [IDC]Dragon | sorry: Äpfel |
| 14:55:02 | * | Bagder ducks to avoid the language throwing ;-) |
| 14:55:16 | kaboofa | are you guys going to stop developing rockbox for archos and just move to iRiver? |
| 14:55:25 | Bagder | uh |
| 14:55:29 | Bagder | we support Archos now |
| 14:55:31 | Bagder | today |
| 14:55:34 | kaboofa | yeah, i know this. |
| 14:55:36 | Bagder | iRiver is a possibility |
| 14:55:38 | Zagor | kaboofa: no |
| 14:55:38 | Bagder | in the future |
| 14:55:39 | kaboofa | AH |
| 14:55:41 | kaboofa | yay! |
| 14:55:52 | * | kaboofa does happy fat-polish-kid-dance |
| 14:56:05 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: you'd need to define HAVE_FAT16SUPPORT somewhere suitable |
| 14:56:15 | Zagor | ok |
| 14:56:17 | * | kaboofa goes back to programming :) |
| 14:56:20 | kaboofa | see you all later. |
| 14:57:13 | Poddan | what do u think the optimal settings on MDB are for Metal, Rock etc? |
| 14:58:26 | Zagor | it all depends on your headphones/speakers. I use flat for everything. |
| 14:58:58 | Poddan | I have Sony headphones, the ones that are REALLY comfortable, the ones that look the Koss Plug |
| 14:59:05 | Poddan | so the bass is really good in those |
| 14:59:24 | Zagor | EX-70, yes. I use those too. |
| 14:59:42 | Poddan | nice :D |
| 14:59:57 | Zagor | no need for bass amplification with those, imo |
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| 15:00:06 | Poddan | that's why I'm trying to configure the sound settings for that perfect sound....but that's just impossible |
| 15:01:05 | Zagor | maybe because "perfect sound" is subjective? |
| 15:01:39 | Bagder | subjetive to others, objetive to me! ;-P |
| 15:01:55 | Poddan | yeah, would be a nice function if u could set the settings for each song :D |
| 15:02:03 | Bagder | is it called "objective" ? I doubt that |
| 15:02:41 | Poddan | yeah, objective :D haha, no idea actually |
| 15:02:52 | Zagor | Bagder: it is |
| 15:03:04 | Bagder | ok |
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| 15:03:28 | Zagor | "a. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic. b. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal." |
| 15:04:03 | [IDC]Dragon | wikipedia? |
| 15:04:20 | Zagor | dictionary.com |
| 15:05:07 | [IDC]Dragon | not open, boo |
| 15:05:23 | Bagder | I like wikipedia |
| 15:05:29 | Poddan | so happy that I have my Jukebox back...the HD failed on me for about 4 months ago...but now it's upgraded to a 40 GB =) |
| 15:06:15 | Zagor | open? as in editable? |
| 15:07:03 | [IDC]Dragon | I thought w're so open here, it'll match |
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| 15:09:19 | Zagor | yeah, but I don't know of any such open dictionary. wikipedia is more of an encyclopedia. |
| 15:10:50 | elinenbe | wikipedia has a dictionary as part of the site |
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| 15:11:48 | Zagor | not a good one. try looking up "objective" and get a distinct definition and some synonyms |
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| 15:23:22 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: running fat.c already? |
| 15:23:30 | [IDC]Dragon | ;-) |
| 15:23:49 | * | LinusN is checking out binutils from CVS, to fix an assembler bug |
| 15:24:01 | * | [IDC]Dragon whistles, looks up in the sky |
| 15:24:26 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: what bug? |
| 15:24:41 | [IDC]Dragon | what CPU? |
| 15:25:02 | LinusN | coldfire, internal error |
| 15:25:04 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: sorry, have to do some other stuff first |
| 15:26:41 | [IDC]Dragon | np |
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| 15:37:46 | srn | Hi Linus. Why did you change the UDA1380TT Stereo audio coder/decoder info back in the Wiki. Is it not correct that it can NOT decode mp3? |
| 15:39:51 | LinusN | srn: because the Philips official name is like that. check the philips web page |
| 15:40:05 | LinusN | none of us believe that it can decode mp3 |
| 15:40:17 | srn | yeah, I know but it can confuse. |
| 15:40:42 | LinusN | never mind, you can change it back if you wish |
| 15:40:43 | Zagor | well it's a misleading name. just because we know what it is doesn't mean other people will be confused by a chip claiming to be a codec |
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| 15:40:56 | Zagor | *will not* |
| 15:41:07 | LinusN | i agree, my bad |
| 15:42:24 | LinusN | i have reverted my change |
| 15:42:41 | Zagor | oy, the bleeding build table is confused by all my test builds... :) |
| 15:42:44 | srn | cool, Linux. I am looking forward to hear about the BDM interface - I hope it works. c u :) |
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| 15:44:31 | Zagor | fixed |
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| 15:55:54 | * | LinusN just fixed his first gas bug :-) |
| 15:56:29 | LinusN | EMAC register handling bug |
| 15:57:15 | * | LinusN is fixing emac bugs with emacs :-b |
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| 16:09:13 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: I have a suspicion about the FAT16 bug, because the root dir changes the cluster when it happens :( |
| 16:17:09 | [IDC]Dragon | grmph, the compiler should warn when I check an unsigned for < 0 |
| 16:18:37 | Zagor | found the bug? |
| 16:19:44 | [IDC]Dragon | better now |
| 16:20:48 | [IDC]Dragon | changed the parameter of get_next_cluster() to signed |
| 16:20:58 | Zagor | ah |
| 16:21:15 | [IDC]Dragon | it wasn't detecting the root dir case |
| 16:21:32 | * | [IDC]Dragon re-runs the suite |
| 16:23:08 | Bagder | the compiler does warn for that if you pass on pickier flags |
| 16:23:21 | Bagder | gcc that is |
| 16:23:34 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Does changing the cluster numbers to signed not break FAT32 compatibility? It would if cluster numbers > (2^31 - 1) are allowed with FAT32... |
| 16:24:51 | Zagor | yes but 2^31 is 65 TB with 64 sectors/cluster... |
| 16:24:53 | [IDC]Dragon | no, clusters are 28 bit |
| 16:25:08 | Zagor | ah, correct. bad memory |
| 16:25:20 | amiconn | Ah ok. |
| 16:25:29 | [IDC]Dragon | they are just internally signed, this doesn't go to disk |
| 16:25:42 | amiconn | Should be called FAT28 then... |
| 16:25:51 | [IDC]Dragon | :-) |
| 16:26:08 | [IDC]Dragon | still a lot of data |
| 16:26:17 | Zagor | luckily, they are not stored with 28 bits each... |
| 16:26:34 | Bagder | Zagor: you know what debian package that has mkfs.vfat ? |
| 16:26:37 | [IDC]Dragon | upper 4 are reserved to M$ |
| 16:28:05 | Zagor | Bagder: dosfstools contains mkdosfs, which is what mkfs.vat uses. can't login to my home machine right now |
| 16:28:21 | Zagor | (to check if it's changed in unstable vs. testing) |
| 16:28:25 | amiconn | 8 TB with 32 KB/ cluster. 2 TB is the limit for 32 bit sector numbers anyway... |
| 16:28:41 | * | Bagder just upgraded his harddisk |
| 16:28:53 | [IDC]Dragon | the suite completes now |
| 16:29:00 | Zagor | excellent |
| 16:29:09 | [IDC]Dragon | no filesys checks in cygwin, though |
| 16:29:18 | Zagor | ah |
| 16:29:20 | [IDC]Dragon | it's just not bailing out |
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| 16:30:00 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: can you remove the unsigned,or shall I send the file again? |
| 16:31:37 | Zagor | send it again, but I found the machine i use for testing doesn't have vfat in the kernel(!) so I can't test properly until tonight :( |
| 16:33:08 | [IDC]Dragon | no hurry, while no MMC driver |
| 16:33:54 | [IDC]Dragon | it'll probably take a while to run, anyway |
| 16:35:42 | Bagder | Vendor: FUJITSU Model: MHT2080AT |
| 16:35:48 | Bagder | and it even works! ;-) |
| 16:35:58 | Zagor | congrats |
| 16:36:23 | Bagder | I noticed it was a Hitachi I took out |
| 16:38:19 | [IDC]Dragon | that's a nice one |
| 16:38:28 | [IDC]Dragon | the new one, I mean |
| 16:39:58 | [IDC]Dragon | 100GB are outrageously expensive |
| 16:40:44 | Bagder | indeed |
| 16:41:04 | dwihno | There are 2.5" 100 GB disks now? |
| 16:41:25 | Bagder | yes |
| 16:41:40 | Bagder | about 2 - 2.5 times the price of the 80GB |
| 16:41:59 | dwihno | Insane :) |
| 16:42:06 | dwihno | Insane pricing for insane people :) |
| 16:43:21 | [IDC]Dragon | I payed $1000 for 2GB, 10 years ago |
| 16:44:06 | * | [IDC]Dragon stops telling old war stories now |
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| 19:04:54 | kaouete | i have a strange behavior with my archos, i think it's linked to the battery, but its' strange. When i am listening music, when i reach about 70% of battery, the music stops for 1/2 sec, play 1/2 sec and stop completely :/ |
| 19:05:07 | kaouete | is it linked to rockbox or maybe should i change my battery ? |
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| 19:08:33 | kaouete | (and i cant even start it now without re-charging it) |
| 19:42:41 | Bagder | try a new set of batteries |
| 19:56:33 | kaouete | ok, are 2200mAh supported now ? |
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| 21:44:59 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi Eric |
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| 21:55:46 | elinenbe | [IDC]Dragon: how is the Ondio progress coming? |
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| 22:01:45 | [IDC]Dragon | elinenbe: pretty good, I've implemented FAT16 now, needs testing |
| 22:03:06 | [IDC]Dragon | Jens is working on the MMC driver, these 2 things are the key components |
| 22:03:19 | amiconn | Grmpf |
| 22:03:22 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: fat.c line 294 is missing 'int'. it gives a warning in gcc. |
| 22:03:50 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi Zagor, I didn't notice you're here |
| 22:04:04 | Zagor | i just came in |
| 22:04:07 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn sounds no good |
| 22:04:21 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, with that split |
| 22:04:52 | [IDC]Dragon | missing int's go unnoticed in MSVC |
| 22:05:03 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I got an MMC today, so I can test external access |
| 22:05:47 | amiconn | It is indeed the case that when you plug in USB with an MMC inserted, the original firmware asks you to remove the card (for reset). |
| 22:06:32 | [IDC]Dragon | yeah, I'm afraid without a power switch it has to be that annoying |
| 22:07:25 | amiconn | You can then insert and extract the card at will while in USB mode. When the card is not inserted, the PC presents you with the contents of the built-in flash |
| 22:09:41 | Zagor | ahhh, the test case creates a too big root dir... :) |
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| 22:10:15 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, it runs that far? |
| 22:10:29 | [IDC]Dragon | does it gracefully fail? |
| 22:10:47 | Zagor | it never runs the fat driver at all. it fails creating the test disk :-) |
| 22:11:04 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: While this does work with the USB mode of rockbox, rockbox doesn't notify the PC host that the card was changed |
| 22:11:05 | [IDC]Dragon | how can? |
| 22:11:36 | Zagor | it sets up the test disk by creating lots of files on it, and many files with long names. too many to fit in a fat16 root dir. i need to make a subdir for this instead. |
| 22:11:37 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: the partition is re-mounted after USB anyway, iirc |
| 22:12:22 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: ah, that part, I had to skip that (no ext dir, no mounting) |
| 22:12:24 | amiconn | Of course. I mean that the archos fw disables and re-enables the usb bridge whenever a card is inserted or removed while in USB mode |
| 22:17:07 | HenrikB_ | Any makefile ninjas here? No rocks are created for me after Bagder's makefile update |
| 22:17:17 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: it would be a more inteesting test case if some of the "seed files" get deleted, too, to create FAT holes |
| 22:19:49 | Zagor | yes. but this is enough to make it fail anyway |
| 22:19:52 | Zagor | :) |
| 22:20:07 | Zagor | mkdir error: file exists |
| 22:20:07 | Zagor | Failed creating directory |
| 22:22:23 | Zagor | rather strange error |
| 22:23:28 | Bagder | HenrikB_: plain recorder build? |
| 22:24:02 | [IDC]Dragon | no good |
| 22:24:20 | [IDC]Dragon | in the driver this time, I guess? |
| 22:24:27 | Zagor | yes |
| 22:24:44 | HenrikB_ | plain recorder on cygwin |
| 22:25:59 | Bagder | HenrikB_: any error message? |
| 22:26:56 | amiconn | Bagder: Same here; tried FMR and player so far. No error message for FMR, the player build generates plenty of them :( |
| 22:27:47 | HenrikB_ | Bagder, nope it just enters and leaves the plugin directory. The libplugin.a is built though. |
| 22:27:51 | amiconn | Player build doesn't even complete, exits with error on building sysfont.o |
| 22:28:04 | Bagder | amiconn: then rebuld convbdf |
| 22:28:12 | HenrikB_ | Same for me |
| 22:28:20 | Bagder | run make in tools |
| 22:28:22 | amiconn | Bagder: Did you change it today? |
| 22:28:25 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:28:58 | Bagder | it now produces #ifdef have_lcd_bitmap |
| 22:29:00 | Bagder | in the code |
| 22:29:14 | | Quit methangas (" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") |
| 22:29:24 | amiconn | "make clean" errors out too... |
| 22:30:04 | Bagder | I need details |
| 22:30:18 | amiconn | $ make clean |
| 22:30:18 | amiconn | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/Administrator/rb-patched/firmware' |
| 22:30:18 | amiconn | cleaning firmware |
| 22:30:18 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK amiconn |
| 22:30:18 | amiconn | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Administrator/rb-patched/firmware' |
| 22:30:18 | amiconn | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/Administrator/rb-patched/apps' |
| 22:30:18 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 22:30:18 | amiconn | make[1]: *** [/home/Administrator/rb-patched/build/player/dep-apps] Error 1 |
| 22:30:20 | amiconn | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Administrator/rb-patched/apps' |
| 22:30:22 | amiconn | make: *** [clean] Error 2 |
| 22:31:07 | Bagder | does dep-apps get created and contain dependencies? |
| 22:31:50 | amiconn | Building just failed.. cleaned dir and try building from scratch.. |
| 22:32:09 | amiconn | Building still doesn't work (player, that it): |
| 22:32:18 | amiconn | $ make >make.log |
| 22:32:18 | amiconn | make[1]: *** [/home/Administrator/rb-patched/build/player/dep-apps] Error 1 |
| 22:32:18 | amiconn | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 22:32:49 | amiconn | The file "dep-apps" gets created. |
| 22:32:51 | Bagder | ah, it fails for me too now |
| 22:32:54 | Bagder | for player |
| 22:33:55 | amiconn | Possibly a hint: while most paths in that file are absolute, some are not? |
| 22:35:57 | Bagder | it is used within the respective dir, so it can use relative path names |
| 22:36:05 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Really interesting finding: Initializing the card into SPI mode *works* *with my transfer routines* for external MMC, but not for internal flash :/ |
| 22:36:47 | amiconn | Maybe I have to reset the flash beforehand... |
| 22:38:11 | Bagder | ... but if I invoke make again it works |
| 22:40:01 | amiconn | Hmm, same here. Strange |
| 22:40:19 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 22:40:39 | amiconn | After using "make clean" or building in a new dir, it fails. A second make call completes the build |
| 22:40:55 | Bagder | I'm on it |
| 22:41:27 | amiconn | Plugins are missing for player too |
| 22:51:59 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:00 |
| 23:03:28 | | Quit AciD (Connection reset by peer) |
| 23:04:56 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: I need a way of reproducing that error |
| 23:05:24 | [IDC]Dragon | how small of an image can you generate? |
| 23:05:48 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe we can transfer one, plus the next failing command |
| 23:06:59 | Zagor | hang on a bit, i'm debugging a little first |
| 23:07:37 | [IDC]Dragon | ok, hang me ;-) |
| 23:11:09 | Zagor | heh, my 128MB disk image compressed to 305KB :) would you like it? |
| 23:11:40 | [IDC]Dragon | if it check ok and fails the next command, yes |
| 23:12:22 | Zagor | well it's not quite that polished. i'll see what I can do... |
| 23:13:24 | [IDC]Dragon | certainly I don't mind if you find the problem :-)) |
| 23:13:39 | Zagor | :) |
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| 23:14:24 | Zagor | oops... it was actually a bug in the test script :) |
| 23:14:52 | [IDC]Dragon | bug found then :-) |
| 23:16:35 | Zagor | yeah, now the test runs further but fails a bit later on |
| 23:16:44 | [IDC]Dragon | :-( |
| 23:17:06 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm running out of smileys |
| 23:17:46 | Zagor | hehe. well be happy, the test script makes debugging a lot nicer than having to rely on angry users who just crashed their disk :) |
| 23:18:31 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, the script is great |
| 23:18:49 | [IDC]Dragon | with those checkdisk's inbetween every step |
| 23:19:16 | [IDC]Dragon | but that's for Linux only |
| 23:21:11 | | Quit scott666_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 23:21:42 | | Join scott666_ [0] (~scott666@c-24-245-58-48.mn.client2.attbi.com) |
| 23:21:52 | Zagor | looks like it's rename that fails |
| 23:22:02 | [IDC]Dragon | hmm |
| 23:22:31 | HenrikB_ | Goodnight and happy (bug) hunting |
| 23:22:38 | Zagor | good night! |
| 23:22:41 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe the root is full? |
| 23:22:49 | [IDC]Dragon | what does it say? |
| 23:23:20 | Zagor | it's not clear what is happening, there is no error message |
| 23:23:35 | Zagor | so i have to debug the test code also :) |
| 23:23:36 | | Quit HenrikB_ ("Lämnar") |
| 23:24:04 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm not doing debug output on full root dir, perhaps I should |
| 23:25:08 | Zagor | i think we've changed file.c since the test script was last used... |
| 23:25:53 | [IDC]Dragon | for me, it complained when renaming, pathnames not starting with / |
| 23:26:03 | Zagor | yeah, that's it. rename() used to not take a dir in the second argument. now it must be present. |
| 23:26:34 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 23:26:34 | * | [IDC]Dragon is relieved, sees hope |
| 23:26:34 | Zagor | all tests completed for images with 4 and 32 sectors/cluster. failed on 1 sector/cluster. |
| 23:27:09 | [IDC]Dragon | hmm |
| 23:27:19 | Zagor | ah, simply too many clusters. not a driver issue. |
| 23:27:30 | [IDC]Dragon | how soon does it fail? |
| 23:27:56 | [IDC]Dragon | too many clusters would give FAT32 |
| 23:28:15 | Zagor | right, so mkdosfs complains because I told it to make fat16 |
| 23:28:38 | [IDC]Dragon | you need to stay below 64 MB then |
| 23:29:04 | [IDC]Dragon | no, 32 even |
| 23:29:14 | Zagor | same thing happens with 128 sectors/cluster, although in the opposite direction |
| 23:29:31 | [IDC]Dragon | is that allowed? |
| 23:29:33 | Zagor | so everything works in the 4, 8 and 32 sectors/cluster tests |
| 23:30:00 | Zagor | I don't think so, no. :) |
| 23:30:07 | [IDC]Dragon | very good! |
| 23:30:14 | Zagor | indeed |
| 23:30:45 | [IDC]Dragon | let's check the legal corner cases |
| 23:31:14 | amiconn | Zagor: For fat16, up to 64 sectors/cluster are allowed and understood by all OS'es that support fat. However, WinNT allows 128 sectors/cluster |
| 23:32:47 | [IDC]Dragon | 2 GB, that is |
| 23:33:03 | Zagor | yes, but the fat32 spec says never to use more than 32KB/cluster |
| 23:33:07 | amiconn | With WinNT it's 4 GB |
| 23:33:19 | amiconn | We're talking FAT16? |
| 23:33:33 | Zagor | sorry, the fat spec |
| 23:34:26 | amiconn | This feature of WinNT is called "NT large clusters". I think this does not need to be supported by rockbox, but it should not mount such partitions then |
| 23:34:31 | Zagor | "Values that cause a cluster size greater than 32K bytes do not work properly; do not try to define one." |
| 23:34:52 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm facing the same spec :-) |
| 23:34:58 | Zagor | we support them, i just didn't make an image that had them correctly |
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| 23:35:31 | amiconn | Ah ok. Perhaps I should fire up a NT4 VM and create one? |
| 23:35:56 | elinenbe | is the Ondio flashable? |
| 23:35:57 | Zagor | no need, you can do it with mkdosfs. I tested the fat32 code on it. |
| 23:36:02 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm forced to goto bed |
| 23:36:08 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: ok, good night |
| 23:36:11 | kaboofa | night. |
| 23:36:17 | elinenbe | night! |
| 23:36:18 | [IDC]Dragon | very sorry to leave this interesting moments |
| 23:36:39 | [IDC]Dragon | c u, will read the logs tomorrow |
| 23:36:47 | amiconn | nite Jörg |
| 23:36:50 | | Quit [IDC]Dragon () |
| 23:37:20 | Bagder | make fixes coming up in a few minutes |
| 23:37:25 | Zagor | excellent |
| 23:40:52 | Zagor | btw [idc]dragon: the additions to support fat16 are so small I think we should not #ifdef them. and that will allow us to make the changes even smaller, by combining the 16- and 32-bit code in fat_recalc_free, find_free_cluster, update_fat_entry and fat_read_entry. |
| 23:41:03 | Bagder | amiconn: now try my fixed version, just committed |
| 23:41:38 | Zagor | works better |
| 23:41:58 | Bagder | now I tried the Ondio build too ;-) |
| 23:41:58 | amiconn | Bagder: Do I have to redo configure? |
| 23:42:01 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:49:41 | iriver_srn | - |
| 23:54:40 | | Quit iriver_srn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") |
| 23:55:28 | amiconn | Bagder: Seems to work correctly now for all targets I tried. However, I noticed some things: |
| 23:55:35 | Zagor | weird slashdot story: "Iriver H320 almost hits the market". Haven't people had it for weeks, at least? |
| 23:55:51 | amiconn | Bagder: (1) target builds do use dep-xxx files now, while the simulator builds still use the .deps directory |
| 23:56:10 | Bagder | yes, I've left the sim build as-is for now |
| 23:56:56 | amiconn | (2) Creating/removing the dependencies (make/ make clean) for the target is way slower than for the sim? This was also the case with the old build system though |
| 23:57:54 | Bagder | I can't explain that though... |
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