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| 00:00:59 | amiconn | I'll retry with latest cvs code (had a testing directory which is no direct checkout) |
| 00:02:24 | [IDC]Dragon | what a comprehensive MMC info you've got |
| 00:02:50 | amiconn | It's still not everything that is contained in the MMC registers ... |
| 00:03:13 | [IDC]Dragon | the year has only 4 bits, how short-sighted |
| 00:03:31 | amiconn | Did you notice: You can get info for both internal and external |
| 00:03:56 | [IDC]Dragon | I didn't |
| 00:04:21 | amiconn | Ah, I remember that you have no working external card :( |
| 00:07:13 | amiconn | Argh, my const'ing causes that dreaded "initialization discards..." warning if PREFER_C_WRITING is defined |
| 00:07:25 | amiconn | Hidden bug :/ |
| 00:09:30 | amiconn | No panic with my latest build! :) |
| 00:10:30 | amiconn | Windows chkdsk does find no filesystem error either |
| 00:13:57 | [IDC]Dragon | hooray! |
| 00:14:33 | [IDC]Dragon | \o/ Jens \o/ |
| 00:15:30 | [IDC]Dragon | this will make Ondio hacking interesting! |
| 00:19:10 | amiconn | FAT32 still working as well. |
| 00:19:29 | [IDC]Dragon | beautiful |
| 00:19:30 | amiconn | Of course I didn't do extensive tests |
| 00:19:55 | [IDC]Dragon | the test suite doesn't help us here, of course |
| 00:21:22 | amiconn | I could adapt my filesystem stress test plugin (which I originally wrote for checking FAT32 whether it fails when saving recorded data) |
| 00:21:37 | amiconn | This has to be adapted to the player lcd |
| 00:21:58 | [IDC]Dragon | what does it do? |
| 00:23:01 | amiconn | It writes lots of data (pseudo-random sequence) to disk with a behaviour as close as possible to how the recording code does it |
| 00:23:26 | amiconn | (writing 2 large blocks with a pseudo-random split point) |
| 00:23:45 | [IDC]Dragon | linear write, not terribly interesting |
| 00:23:47 | amiconn | Then it reads back all data and compares with the pseudo-random sequence |
| 00:24:19 | [IDC]Dragon | honestly, I don't expect trouble from the unsigned |
| 00:24:30 | amiconn | Well, it's not completely linear, because the FAT is accessed in between |
| 00:24:53 | [IDC]Dragon | if some code only worked because it was signed, it must have been strangely wrong |
| 00:25:14 | amiconn | Okay, perhaps I should simply commit |
| 00:25:46 | [IDC]Dragon | how much work is it to port your test? |
| 00:26:33 | amiconn | I would have to cut down the output to 2 lines. Shouldn't be that hard, since I use a roll function (restart at top line if bottom one was used last) |
| 00:28:15 | amiconn | But running it can take a loong time. When I did the test with the recorder (using a little less than 2 GB in total) it ran ~9 hours |
| 00:28:28 | amiconn | Of course I wouldn't test with 2 GB here |
| 00:28:39 | [IDC]Dragon | I was about to ask |
| 00:29:45 | amiconn | It's a nice little stress test anyway. Perhaps I'll run it on the Ondio too, stressing the MMC driver |
| 00:29:54 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm building with unsigned ,too |
| 00:30:11 | [IDC]Dragon | don't stress writing too hard |
| 00:30:46 | amiconn | I think it's no problem, since it doesn't write the same sector everytime |
| 00:31:06 | [IDC]Dragon | except for the fat |
| 00:31:43 | amiconn | This is written to more than once, yes, but not that often too. |
| 00:32:24 | amiconn | Of course we'd need plugin support to do the test |
| 00:33:27 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, I remember |
| 00:34:21 | amiconn | My test plugin needs a patch to plugin.[ch]. fsync() is not in the plugin api by default |
| 00:34:45 | [IDC]Dragon | OK, forget it |
| 00:35:59 | amiconn | I've still got the .patch file, so it's easy |
| 00:37:22 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm starting it on my box now |
| 00:37:37 | [IDC]Dragon | (the build) |
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| 00:46:26 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Testing on FAT32 with ~100 MB of data... |
| 00:47:18 | [IDC]Dragon | I did a manual test session, no problems. |
| 00:47:56 | [IDC]Dragon | recording, deleting files, bookmarking,... |
| 00:48:30 | amiconn | Both fat16 and fat32? |
| 00:49:24 | [IDC]Dragon | no, just FAT32 |
| 00:49:45 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm not worried about a broken FAT16 in cvs |
| 00:50:17 | [IDC]Dragon | (well, no more than we have that now) |
| 00:50:39 | amiconn | You're right. So when my fat32 test completes without error, I'll commit, then I'll do the fat16 test. |
| 00:51:07 | [IDC]Dragon | but killing peoples HD file systems would be very embarrassing |
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| 01:02:42 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: You just saved one config bit ;) |
| 01:03:11 | amiconn | ANd I have to rebuild the .voice files |
| 01:04:21 | [IDC]Dragon | not urgently |
| 01:05:25 | [IDC]Dragon | Ondio can write, hooray! |
| 01:05:34 | [IDC]Dragon | just dumped the ROMs |
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| 01:07:16 | amiconn | Rebuilding the .voice files should be easy, but I wonder how out "Klara" will pronounce ".talk" (without a hint, that is) |
| 01:08:11 | [IDC]Dragon | Im not sure how to name that entry, in general |
| 01:08:21 | [IDC]Dragon | feel free to improve |
| 01:09:28 | amiconn | Just found that the german voice: entry is just "Sprachdatei". This should work of course, but it may confuse users |
| 01:09:59 | [IDC]Dragon | I think it's fine |
| 01:10:18 | amiconn | I would associate "Sprachdatei" with a .voice file |
| 01:10:26 | amiconn | Unfortunately there is no simple german equivalent to "clip" |
| 01:11:37 | [IDC]Dragon | I'll sleep well now |
| 01:11:43 | [IDC]Dragon | cu |
| 01:11:50 | [IDC]Dragon | and thanks! |
| 01:11:53 | amiconn | Goodnight |
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| 07:30:57 | [IDC]Dragon | good morning |
| 07:31:35 | [IDC]Dragon | what a nice one, with FAT16 working :-) |
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| 07:40:05 | LinusN | wonderful |
| 07:45:01 | * | [IDC]Dragon has the Ondio back together for the first time, before it was "just" a PCB on the bench |
| 07:45:22 | [IDC]Dragon | I stripped the wires off |
| 07:47:09 | LinusN | what wires? |
| 07:47:40 | [IDC]Dragon | debug wires ;-) |
| 07:49:27 | LinusN | ah |
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| 08:15:31 | [IDC]Dragon | Bagder: r u there? |
| 08:17:04 | * | plok is away - Automatically set away. - messages will be saved. |
| 08:28:27 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=30.from1097128134;topicseen#msg94 |
| 08:30:18 | [IDC]Dragon | dunno what he did wrong |
| 08:45:30 | [IDC]Dragon | hey, the OndioFM build fits as rombox! |
| 08:46:27 | LinusN | nice |
| 08:46:53 | [IDC]Dragon | another 0.3 sec boot time gained |
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| 08:47:18 | LinusN | wooooo |
| 08:47:54 | plok | boot time on the iRiver is very long :( (H340 at least) |
| 08:52:11 | LinusN | i heard it takes ages if you use the id3 database |
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| 08:55:35 | plok | I don't use the database but it still takes roughly 10 seconds to boot up I'd guess |
| 08:57:31 | LinusN | the H120 takes quite a while too |
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| 09:11:48 | LinusN | Zagor: welcome |
| 09:12:16 | Zagor | my ribs hurt :) |
| 09:12:33 | LinusN | Zagor: i'm having problems deciding how to handle the iriver #ifdefs in for example backlight.c |
| 09:13:01 | LinusN | i'm opting for #ifdef IRIVER_H100 |
| 09:14:10 | Zagor | yes, i agree. i think when the conditional is "which circuit board is this", the general player define is suitable |
| 09:14:22 | LinusN | good |
| 09:14:47 | Zagor | we can always refine it later if we find the need |
| 09:15:08 | LinusN | we could have a PLATFORM define with several values |
| 09:15:22 | LinusN | #if PLATFORM == IRIVER_H100 |
| 09:15:46 | Zagor | sure, no problem |
| 09:16:06 | LinusN | i'll go for #ifdef IRIVER_H100 for now |
| 09:19:19 | [IDC]Dragon | we already have PLATFORM_ID, but it's use was discouraged |
| 09:19:39 | [IDC]Dragon | because we should check for features instead |
| 09:20:16 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, forget that |
| 09:20:30 | [IDC]Dragon | utter bullshit, I did that locally |
| 09:20:41 | Zagor | :) |
| 09:20:49 | LinusN | you had me confused for a while... |
| 09:21:06 | [IDC]Dragon | we have ARCHOS_xxx, which are flags |
| 09:21:11 | LinusN | imho, feature checks are platform specific |
| 09:21:33 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, but you check for the feature,not the platform |
| 09:21:38 | LinusN | but we should go from ARCHOS_xxx to PLATFORM= instead |
| 09:22:01 | [IDC]Dragon | recently; ilike multi-valued items, since the # of platforms is growing |
| 09:22:09 | [IDC]Dragon | agreed |
| 09:22:27 | [IDC]Dragon | because this is another bunch of flags |
| 09:22:49 | LinusN | my view of this is: |
| 09:23:06 | LinusN | HAVE_xxx are for general features, like HAVE_BACKLIGHT |
| 09:23:32 | [IDC]Dragon | for the backlight, I'd say CONFIG_BACKLIGHT = aaa|bbb|ccc for different hookups |
| 09:23:34 | LinusN | PLATFORM_xxx is the platform, eg IRIVER_H100 or ARCHOS_RECORDER |
| 09:24:25 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: agreed |
| 09:24:42 | LinusN | but the CONFIG_BACKLIGHT values may differ between platforms |
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| 09:25:07 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, or not exist if no backlight |
| 09:25:14 | LinusN | then we agree |
| 09:25:17 | LinusN | uski: hi |
| 09:25:41 | uski | hi LinusN :) |
| 09:25:46 | uski | received my package ? |
| 09:25:57 | LinusN | uski: I got your stuff |
| 09:26:02 | uski | ok |
| 09:26:04 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 09:26:15 | uski | what's up ? long time no see |
| 09:26:32 | Tron|Uni | hi1 |
| 09:26:40 | Tron|Uni | err, "hi!" |
| 09:27:40 | LinusN | uski: not much, i'm working a lot on the iriver port |
| 09:32:36 | * | Bagder crawls in |
| 09:33:31 | Bagder | nice warning flood yday LinusN ! :-) |
| 09:33:42 | Bagder | 1254 ought to be some kind of record! |
| 09:34:48 | Zagor | :) |
| 09:37:19 | LinusN | Bagder: :-) |
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| 09:41:01 | LinusN | does Dave Hooper pop into this channel? |
| 09:47:38 | LinusN | does the H300 have a real time clock? |
| 09:58:05 | LinusN | Bagder: u there? |
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| 09:58:23 | Zagor | he does sometimes |
| 09:58:58 | LinusN | i want to add his scrambling code to our scrambler |
| 09:59:21 | Bagder | I'm here |
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| 10:00:18 | LinusN | can we change the config/make system so we can build a target without scrambling? |
| 10:01:17 | LinusN | currently it requires a $tool |
| 10:01:48 | * | Bagder looks |
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| 10:02:02 | iRiverMan | hi |
| 10:02:06 | LinusN | hi |
| 10:03:34 | Bagder | LinusN: make the tool named cp for now |
| 10:03:52 | LinusN | can't do that |
| 10:04:09 | LinusN | it is prefixed with the path to the rockbox tools dir |
| 10:04:40 | Bagder | want me to fix? |
| 10:04:54 | LinusN | please |
| 10:05:02 | * | Bagder dives |
| 10:05:37 | LinusN | i'd like to add the iriver scrambling algorithm, but the source is currently unavailabe |
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| 10:06:12 | Zagor | the link is dead? |
| 10:06:20 | Zagor | i have it downloaded |
| 10:06:28 | LinusN | DNS doesn't resolve |
| 10:06:38 | LinusN | do we have his permission btw? |
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| 10:08:12 | Bagder | LinusN: try this |
| 10:08:28 | Bagder | or 'try now' rather |
| 10:08:34 | LinusN | ok |
| 10:08:43 | Zagor | LinusN: the license allows it, with a bsd-style banner clause. we can ask him for an exception to the clause. |
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| 10:09:43 | amiconn | hi all |
| 10:09:50 | Bagder | hi Jens |
| 10:10:25 | LinusN | Bagder: works, but now it UCL-packs..... |
| 10:11:11 | Bagder | I didn't change that |
| 10:11:29 | Bagder | that's a different problem |
| 10:11:33 | LinusN | i know, i didn't get that far before |
| 10:12:05 | Bagder | lemme think a while on how to correct that |
| 10:12:15 | Bagder | unless you have an idea |
| 10:12:17 | amiconn | Zagor: Next button issue: If you enter a sub-browser (plugins/ langs etc) from the menu, the first entry gets selected immediately. This seems to be a player-only issue |
| 10:13:27 | LinusN | it shouldn't uclpack targets that don't support flashing |
| 10:13:37 | LinusN | like the player for instance |
| 10:13:50 | Bagder | the question is how it is nicest done in the makefile |
| 10:14:19 | Bagder | probably the target shouldn't be included in the all: line |
| 10:14:32 | amiconn | Zagor: I wonder how this happens. I thought the button code does only send *one* button event for button down, then waits until repeat kicks in, then send button|BUTTON_REPEAT events continiuously until release, then sends one single release event. |
| 10:14:42 | Bagder | like how the ROMTARGET already works |
| 10:14:55 | LinusN | exactly |
| 10:15:12 | Bagder | I'll work on a fix |
| 10:15:13 | Zagor | amiconn: yes, that's how it works |
| 10:15:55 | amiconn | So I wonder what causes the sub-browser issue on the player. The button down event gets "eaten" by the menu code entering the sub-browser... |
| 10:16:38 | Zagor | looking... |
| 10:17:37 | Zagor | aha. "run" is now play+release, since play+repeat is context menu... |
| 10:17:47 | Zagor | the puzzle keeps growing :) |
| 10:18:20 | Zagor | (i.e. you see the same problem on recorder if you use PLAY to select the "browse plugins" menu entry) |
| 10:20:32 | Bagder | LinusN: ... and update! |
| 10:22:07 | LinusN | Bagder: how do i make it not to build plugins? |
| 10:22:24 | Bagder | ifdef them in SOURCES |
| 10:22:45 | LinusN | what is the plugins="yes" for in configure? |
| 10:22:52 | Bagder | ah, right |
| 10:22:56 | Bagder | that's how I made it |
| 10:22:58 | Bagder | set it to "" |
| 10:23:05 | Bagder | plugins="" |
| 10:23:13 | LinusN | i have tried not to set it, but it doesn't work |
| 10:23:17 | amiconn | Zagor: Ah, yes. I did not get that since I usually use Right to enter the browsers. Strangely, it works for Ondio, which has no separate Play... |
| 10:24:08 | Zagor | that's because the ondio context menu is broken :) (I just noticed) |
| 10:24:28 | Bagder | LinusN: odd, it worked for the ondios before |
| 10:24:32 | LinusN | plugins="" doesn't help |
| 10:24:51 | LinusN | it still tries to build the plugins library |
| 10:25:10 | Zagor | hmm, tricky one |
| 10:26:52 | LinusN | ENABLEDPLUGINS isn't used anywhere |
| 10:29:02 | amiconn | LinusN: When plugins were disabled for Ondio, it did also still build the plugin lib. Seems that the Makefile for the plugin lib needs a fix |
| 10:32:48 | Bagder | LinusN: ENABLEDPLUGINS is used in plugins/Makefile |
| 10:33:03 | LinusN | Bagder: check my commit |
| 10:33:04 | Bagder | use it in lib/Makefile as well, and I think it should work |
| 10:33:23 | LinusN | i think it should be done in apps/Makefile |
| 10:33:51 | Bagder | right, that's probably nicer |
| 10:34:01 | Bagder | then you can remove it from plugins/Makefile |
| 10:34:32 | LinusN | doing it now |
| 10:35:15 | LinusN | done |
| 10:35:36 | LinusN | ok, now the iriver target builds ok |
| 10:36:43 | Bagder | cool |
| 10:36:47 | Bagder | gotta run off |
| 10:37:34 | LinusN | cu |
| 10:40:34 | * | LinusN has a fairly safe lead the wiki statistics :-) |
| 10:48:07 | Chronic007 | I was noticing that earlier....thanks for all your hard work Linus |
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| 10:55:21 | Chronic007 | oh-yes, the good iriver port conversation is about to begin |
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| 11:48:07 | LinusN | PaulS: u there? |
| 11:59:35 | PaulS | Yep.. |
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| 12:01:30 | LinusN | any luck with the jtag? |
| 12:01:37 | PaulS | Thanks for the tip about pulling up the power supply line. When I hold the system reset, it doesn't power off. |
| 12:02:09 | LinusN | i have added valuable info for you in the schematics |
| 12:02:29 | LinusN | cd .. |
| 12:03:10 | PaulS | I didn't try JTAG again. I did try the BDM interface again, but BKPT still didn't seem to do anything, so I imagine I'm using the wrong pads. |
| 12:03:37 | PaulS | LinusN: Valuable info? Hmm! |
| 12:03:51 | LinusN | check the "connectors" schematic |
| 12:04:16 | LinusN | now you can trace the correct pads from the debug connector |
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| 12:09:29 | PaulS_ | LinusN: Thanks a lot. This will take the guesswork out of it. So far I only know I had the CPU reset correct. |
| 12:14:26 | LinusN | i hope it helps |
| 12:15:00 | PaulS_ | I'm downloading the naked pics as I speak to see how far off I was. |
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| 12:17:16 | PaulS | Congrats on the blinkenleds, BTW, as well as the (presumably not actually functional) rockbox build. |
| 12:17:45 | LinusN | does the H300 have a real time clock? |
| 12:17:46 | PaulS | Were you using the drive access light, or the charging LED? |
| 12:19:43 | LinusN | the backlight |
| 12:20:01 | PaulS | Ah! Those are LEDs too... |
| 12:25:58 | ashridah | LinusN: sneaky :) |
| 12:30:42 | PaulS | It appears that my guesses about the debug pads seem to agree with the connector schematic. |
| 12:30:44 | * | LinusN sends his second coldfire patch to the binutils project |
| 12:32:56 | dwihno | LinusN: How many of those patches has been sent without any response? |
| 12:33:42 | LinusN | my very first patch (the windows resource compiler) still hasn't received a response |
| 12:34:04 | LinusN | but the first coldfire patch has been accepted |
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| 12:36:17 | dwihno | neato! |
| 12:36:26 | dwihno | It's about giving stuff back! :) |
| 12:39:17 | LinusN | yup |
| 12:42:10 | PaulS | Good night, folks. |
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| 12:44:16 | LinusN | lunch |
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| 12:53:11 | HuwSy | lil help, im looking to flash my recorder10 back to the original firmware, whats the easiest way |
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| 12:56:35 | LinusN | rename the original firmware file to firmware_rec.bin and run the firmware_flash.rock plugin again |
| 12:56:57 | LinusN | assuming you did back up the original firmware when you flashed rockbox the first time |
| 12:57:02 | HuwSy | iv lost the original file be the problem |
| 12:57:17 | LinusN | which version was it? |
| 12:57:27 | HuwSy | 1.27c |
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| 12:58:30 | LinusN | you can find the original firmware here: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems/CS_Main/RockBox/Archos/jbrv1_bin_128.zip |
| 12:58:52 | HuwSy | thank you |
| 12:59:09 | LinusN | it's the "internal_rom_20000...." file |
| 12:59:31 | LinusN | rename it to firmware_rec.bin and put it in the root of your archos, then run firmware_flash.rock |
| 12:59:39 | LinusN | and pray.... |
| 12:59:45 | LinusN | :-) |
| 12:59:57 | [IDC]Dragon | he's exaggerating... |
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| 13:00:09 | LinusN | seriously, i don't know if 1.28 works on the rec10, but i assume that it does |
| 13:00:46 | LinusN | the only prob would be the hw mask, but i assume that firmware_flash.rock preserves it |
| 13:00:58 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, it does |
| 13:02:39 | LinusN | than all is fine. |
| 13:06:46 | HuwSy | hum... its not letting me load up into rockbox to even attempt a flash. i think its overly flat |
| 13:07:10 | HuwSy | oh well ill hopefully get it sorted later, thanx for the help |
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| 13:11:32 | [IDC]Dragon | everybody wants a flashback... |
| 13:12:09 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: do you read? |
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| 13:34:15 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Now I'm here |
| 13:40:16 | [IDC]Dragon | hi |
| 13:40:30 | [IDC]Dragon | I have the flash plugin working now |
| 13:41:50 | [IDC]Dragon | so you could flash yours tonight |
| 13:42:08 | [IDC]Dragon | even RomBox works for me :-) |
| 13:45:33 | amiconn | So it should work on the SP for sure |
| 13:46:01 | amiconn | Did you already look into the RoLo issues with the archos fw? |
| 13:47:13 | [IDC]Dragon | no, not yet |
| 13:47:52 | [IDC]Dragon | I actually forgot about that issue |
| 13:48:32 | amiconn | That reminds me that we wanted to add a table of issues to the wiki topic, together with status |
| 13:48:55 | [IDC]Dragon | yes please |
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| 14:40:44 | [IDC]Dragon | Bagder: reading? |
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| 14:58:10 | Bagder | reading now |
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| 15:01:42 | Bagder | LinusN: time to add iriver to the cvs build table? |
| 15:01:51 | [IDC]Dragon | Bagder: how about enabling the Ondio daily build? |
| 15:02:09 | Bagder | me fix! |
| 15:02:33 | [IDC]Dragon | the download, I mean, with the pretty picture and stuff |
| 15:02:41 | Bagder | yes |
| 15:02:48 | [IDC]Dragon | ok |
| 15:02:49 | Bagder | the whole package |
| 15:03:16 | [IDC]Dragon | did Jens send you a picture? |
| 15:03:21 | Bagder | yes |
| 15:03:31 | Bagder | ah, no |
| 15:03:33 | amiconn | No I didn't. Have to close the Ondio first. |
| 15:03:34 | Bagder | only your pics |
| 15:03:40 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/ondio/ |
| 15:04:05 | [IDC]Dragon | those are my FM pictures |
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| 15:04:56 | [IDC]Dragon | then use it for both, for the time being |
| 15:05:02 | Bagder | yes |
| 15:05:26 | elinenbe | LinusN: a huge congrats! Great work... everything starts somewhere! |
| 15:06:01 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: How did you take the pictures? With the scanner? |
| 15:06:26 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: digicam. mine was also not closed for the pic, just placed |
| 15:07:01 | [IDC]Dragon | scanner is even better, if you have one of those thick flatbeds |
| 15:07:42 | [IDC]Dragon | I have a thin one with a LED bar, has no depth focus at all |
| 15:08:07 | Bagder | reload daily build page |
| 15:08:41 | [IDC]Dragon | that was quick |
| 15:08:43 | LinusN | i think adding iriver to the daily builds page is a bit premature |
| 15:08:52 | LinusN | elinenbe: thanks |
| 15:09:04 | Bagder | LinusN: it would help us not break it when we modify things |
| 15:09:12 | Bagder | and vice versa |
| 15:09:22 | LinusN | it still needs a patched version of the compiler |
| 15:09:37 | LinusN | and it only compiles crt0.S and backlight.c :-) |
| 15:09:46 | Bagder | atm, yes |
| 15:10:04 | Bagder | oh well, I won't push it |
| 15:10:09 | elinenbe | LinusN: if I have an iriver, can I flash the rockbox firmware? |
| 15:10:11 | LinusN | what the heck, add it then |
| 15:10:25 | elinenbe | just to see the backlight flash? |
| 15:10:29 | Bagder | LinusN: do we have the patch compiler on the host? |
| 15:10:32 | Bagder | patched |
| 15:10:40 | elinenbe | but, how would I flash it back to the iriver firmware? |
| 15:10:41 | LinusN | elinenbe: yes, but you won't be able to restore the original firmware |
| 15:10:54 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: My digicam doesn't make such nice pics as yours. First it's only 2 Mpixel, second it has no macro feature, closest range is ~60 cm |
| 15:10:57 | LinusN | so your player will be a paperweight |
| 15:11:14 | amiconn | I'll try to do it with the scanner @work tomorrow |
| 15:11:17 | ashridah | elinenbe: you'd be fairly screwed without being able to take it apart and plug in a bdm to restore the original firmware |
| 15:11:24 | LinusN | Bagder: i sent my second patch to the binutils project today |
| 15:12:06 | Bagder | you will be the coldfire binutils king! ;-) |
| 15:12:12 | LinusN | hehe |
| 15:12:23 | Bagder | LinusN: is the gcc/binutils installed/working on labb? |
| 15:12:23 | elinenbe | LinusN: I wouldn't put it up on the daily builds page yet then... that is just asking for trouble. |
| 15:12:40 | Bagder | no daily builds, no |
| 15:12:45 | Zagor | you will be cold fire binutils helpdesk ;) |
| 15:12:46 | Bagder | but the cvs build table |
| 15:12:49 | LinusN | elinenbe: only the build status, not any downloads |
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| 15:13:17 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: we only need the medium and small size pic, 2 MP from 60 cm should be enough for that |
| 15:13:25 | LinusN | Bagder: no m68k compiler on labb, only on my computer |
| 15:13:32 | Bagder | Zagor: check the daily build log careful tomorrow, the ondios should get built now |
| 15:13:38 | Zagor | yup |
| 15:13:49 | ashridah | what does BDM stand for anyway? |
| 15:13:59 | ashridah | breakout debugging module ? |
| 15:14:00 | Bagder | LinusN: aha, care you install it on labb so that we can get it cvs-built? |
| 15:14:01 | LinusN | ashridah: Background Debug Mode |
| 15:14:04 | ashridah | ah. |
| 15:14:07 | ashridah | that was my second guess |
| 15:14:10 | Bagder | s/you/to |
| 15:14:12 | LinusN | Bagder: ok |
| 15:14:22 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: the big one wast just my raw data, before scaling it to about the size I found on the build page |
| 15:16:18 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Another problem with digicam is to get the lighting right, and the neutral gray background |
| 15:22:15 | [IDC]Dragon | amconn: I went on the balcony, placed it on the white backside of a calendar |
| 15:22:31 | [IDC]Dragon | s/amconn/amiconn (sorry) |
| 15:22:57 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Use TAB completion ;) |
| 15:23:05 | [IDC]Dragon | the white balance was still way off, but that can be corrected |
| 15:23:28 | [IDC]Dragon | tab doesn't work if there's more people with A |
| 15:23:29 | amiconn | The balcony approach does only work if you are at home when there is daylight |
| 15:23:38 | Bagder | <g> |
| 15:24:20 | [IDC]Dragon | just make a picture with any light, I'll try to fix it |
| 15:24:40 | [IDC]Dragon | diffuse light preferred |
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| 15:26:17 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Does your Ondio really have such a strong blue colour? Mine does look more violet... |
| 15:28:44 | [IDC]Dragon | it's a bit more violet than it appears |
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| 15:43:04 | LinusN | Bagder: /usr/local/m68k-gcc |
| 15:43:14 | Bagder | neato |
| 15:43:18 | LinusN | patched with my latest addition |
| 15:47:27 | [IDC]Dragon | Bagder: I guess tomorrow there will automagically appear something for the download link? |
| 15:47:35 | Bagder | yes |
| 15:47:39 | Bagder | if everything works |
| 15:47:44 | [IDC]Dragon | ;-) |
| 15:48:39 | Bagder | iriver h100 added to cvs build table |
| 15:48:47 | LinusN | nice |
| 15:49:19 | [IDC]Dragon | I don't see it, mabe after the next commit? |
| 15:49:27 | Bagder | yes |
| 15:50:02 | Bagder | I just added it to the script that builds stuff after each commit |
| 15:51:53 | LinusN | and you added the compiler to the PATH? |
| 15:51:56 | Bagder | yes |
| 15:52:12 | Bagder | time to add the ondios to http://www.rockbox.org/docs/devicechart.html ? |
| 15:52:39 | [IDC]Dragon | why not? |
| 15:53:00 | Bagder | don't look at me! ;-) |
| 15:53:05 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: your job |
| 15:53:16 | [IDC]Dragon | ok, not now (no cvs) |
| 15:53:28 | Bagder | I'm off |
| 15:53:37 | LinusN | cu |
| 15:56:02 | [IDC]Dragon | who did the mp3ClipGen.vbs script? |
| 15:56:14 | [IDC]Dragon | I fail to remember |
| 15:59:37 | * | [IDC]Dragon googles like crazy |
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| 16:07:41 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Search the ml |
| 16:11:23 | LinusN | time to go |
| 16:11:25 | LinusN | bye all |
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| 16:13:09 | [IDC]Dragon | I tried. Brian Wolven is a candidate, but I haven't found a proof |
| 16:16:49 | [IDC]Dragon | he is, now I found it |
| 16:17:19 | [IDC]Dragon | or? no, this was playlist scripts |
| 16:19:33 | * | amiconn is looking into the script |
| 16:20:29 | amiconn | Hmm, no hint in there :( |
| 16:20:30 | [IDC]Dragon | seems to be Brian: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2004-03/1332.shtml |
| 16:23:03 | amiconn | It does look like that, yes |
| 16:23:22 | [IDC]Dragon | the voice UI is olter than I thought |
| 16:23:28 | [IDC]Dragon | older |
| 16:23:56 | [IDC]Dragon | and v2.2 even more |
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| 17:20:16 | * | ripnetUK builds a 68000 cross compiler |
| 17:20:49 | ripnetUK | Im trying to cook a m68k cross compiler - do I need to use the cvs to get LinusN's patches in, or does that only apply if im using gdb? |
| 17:27:29 | Zagor | i'm not sure what his latest patch was |
| 17:35:48 | ripnetUK | the onbe im talking about was assembling the 68k equivelent of sse instructions |
| 17:36:10 | ripnetUK | i guess its a bit academic until we have working code anyway :) |
| 17:36:21 | Zagor | the EMAC, yes. for that you need his patch. |
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| 18:20:04 | bagawk | hey |
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| 19:05:59 | amiconn | Bagder: The channel's topic is a bit outdated... |
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| 19:30:56 | [IDC]Dragon | hi again! |
| 19:31:22 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: in case you'd like to flash: http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/flash/flash_ondiosp.zip |
| 19:31:54 | [IDC]Dragon | plus a cvs up-to-date build for the plugins, of course |
| 19:36:43 | uski | [IDC]Dragon, rockbox works on the Ondio ? |
| 19:36:56 | * | uski should try to keep up to date with the latest news :) |
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| 19:37:01 | [IDC]Dragon | indeed |
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| 19:37:42 | uski | if i buy an Ondio, when will I be able to run rockbox on it ? |
| 19:37:54 | uski | ;) |
| 19:38:05 | [IDC]Dragon | uski: now |
| 19:38:42 | [IDC]Dragon | or rather: as soon as you'll get it delivered ;-) |
| 19:38:44 | uski | you have support for the NAND flash ? |
| 19:38:52 | uski | lol |
| 19:39:00 | [IDC]Dragon | it's an internal MMC |
| 19:39:06 | uski | oh ok |
| 19:39:09 | uski | so i can be changed ? |
| 19:39:12 | uski | s/i/it |
| 19:39:30 | uski | or is it a bulk MMC chip, without the connector ? |
| 19:39:42 | [IDC]Dragon | no, it's a chip that does MMC protocol |
| 19:40:06 | [IDC]Dragon | but you can use an external MMC, too |
| 19:40:27 | uski | ok |
| 19:40:44 | uski | interesting.. : |
| 19:40:46 | uski | :) |
| 19:40:59 | [IDC]Dragon | or, you unsolder the chip and hook upo an MMC internally, there's enough space |
| 19:41:13 | uski | even more interesting |
| 19:41:29 | [IDC]Dragon | would be cool: 1 GB internal, plus n*1GB external |
| 19:41:35 | uski | exactly :)) |
| 19:41:41 | uski | but a bit expensive today |
| 19:41:50 | uski | but maybe in a few months prices will be lower |
| 19:42:08 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm away now |
| 19:42:12 | uski | oh, by the way, is there a native US english speaker here ? i need some help for my english homeworks ;) only 5 minutes.. |
| 19:42:16 | uski | see you [IDC]Dragon ! |
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| 22:20:17 | amiconn | hi again Jörg |
| 22:20:30 | [IDC]Dragon | hi there! |
| 22:20:39 | [IDC]Dragon | flashed? ;-) |
| 22:20:48 | uski | ooo |
| 22:20:57 | uski | [IDC]Dragon, the flashing guy. |
| 22:20:59 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Nope, not yet |
| 22:21:10 | [IDC]Dragon | :-( |
| 22:21:23 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Some questions beforehand: |
| 22:21:52 | [IDC]Dragon | sure |
| 22:22:07 | amiconn | (1) Do you also get the strange RoLo behaviour with the archos fw on your FM? (just for comparison) |
| 22:22:19 | [IDC]Dragon | I haven't tried |
| 22:22:28 | amiconn | (2) Do you believe it's safe for the SP? You obviously couldn't test... |
| 22:23:04 | uski | (what's the SP?) |
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| 22:23:34 | amiconn | uski: There are 2 different Ondio models, see the wiki article and/or archos site |
| 22:23:37 | [IDC]Dragon | I think it's safe. the bootloader is identical, I put the original plus Rockbox into the image (one at least should work), and the bootloader has minimon as the last resort |
| 22:23:38 | uski | ok |
| 22:23:39 | uski | ty |
| 22:24:38 | [IDC]Dragon | I can try the SP image, if it comforts you |
| 22:24:55 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: That's why I'm asking whether you get the strange rolo behaviour too. If it is so, and archos fw works for you from flash, flashing should be safe for me too |
| 22:25:02 | [IDC]Dragon | MAS and tuner shoudn't matter at boot time |
| 22:25:24 | amiconn | (because then the strange behaviour is caused by some init rockbox does) |
| 22:25:34 | [IDC]Dragon | the rolo'ed version is different from the real ROM one |
| 22:25:58 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: If you try the SP image on fm, chances are that it hangs on boot with both firmwares |
| 22:26:20 | [IDC]Dragon | I can uart-boot |
| 22:26:50 | [IDC]Dragon | in fact, I have to, because the plugin won't let me use the wrong one |
| 22:26:55 | amiconn | ...because the MAS init tries to start the decoding application, but the MAS memory cells to do so have different addresses. So the init waits forever |
| 22:28:04 | [IDC]Dragon | ok, so it may hang. was just a suggestion to ease you. |
| 22:28:06 | amiconn | If possible, just try RoLo into archos fw |
| 22:28:59 | [IDC]Dragon | I'll try, but fail to see why this is comforting or not |
| 22:29:36 | amiconn | Btw: I just found a way to speed up mmc writing by 50%, while still polling. Unfortunately this doesn't work for reading, have to implement DMA for speedup |
| 22:29:56 | [IDC]Dragon | whoo, how? |
| 22:30:15 | amiconn | Sending back-to-back by properly switching the SCI mode |
| 22:30:45 | amiconn | I did already perform a quick test, the 50% are real-world, no estimation |
| 22:31:13 | [IDC]Dragon | but you have a poll loop, with a certain reaction time? |
| 22:31:20 | uski | ooo interesting: it seems to be possible to add a tuner to the SP model, simply by soldering some components |
| 22:31:43 | amiconn | Yes, but for sending, I can use the double-buffering of the SCI if it is set to send-only |
| 22:32:25 | amiconn | So the transfer-loop housekeeping is done in the background, while the last byte is still transferring |
| 22:33:14 | [IDC]Dragon | nice |
| 22:33:50 | amiconn | Just optimizing a bit further (remembering the last status to avoid switching it every time) |
| 22:34:27 | amiconn | Maybe I don't need DMA for writing at all |
| 22:34:48 | [IDC]Dragon | if you do back to back already, then no |
| 22:36:22 | amiconn | I'm now pretty close to the theoretical max speed for writing. Theory says < ~350 kByte/s, real world is now ~330 kByte/s |
| 22:36:43 | [IDC]Dragon | for readig, the bitswap loop may poll the DMA pointer, running behind it, for minimum latency. |
| 22:36:58 | [IDC]Dragon | (sorry if you already said that) |
| 22:37:06 | amiconn | Ah, nice idea. |
| 22:37:31 | amiconn | My idea so far was to follow the block count, swapping each block as soon as it is completed |
| 22:38:09 | [IDC]Dragon | for multiples, yes, also possible |
| 22:38:32 | [IDC]Dragon | but gives a 1 sector swap latency at the end |
| 22:38:48 | amiconn | Your approach might deliver the lowest latency, but the block-wise approach may even allow to yield() once |
| 22:39:01 | amiconn | So it's not blocking the whole box |
| 22:40:32 | [IDC]Dragon | rolo'ing Archos s/w hangs at about 60% of its progress bar |
| 22:40:59 | amiconn | Ooops. This is different from the SP. |
| 22:41:05 | [IDC]Dragon | how about one yield() and then running behind the DMA? |
| 22:41:36 | amiconn | I could also yield every time the bitswap has catched up |
| 22:41:53 | amiconn | s/catched/caught/ |
| 22:42:12 | [IDC]Dragon | but that may happen close before the end |
| 22:42:36 | amiconn | Or even better, yield every time the bitswap has caught up, but only if > n bytes to go |
| 22:43:08 | [IDC]Dragon | hmm |
| 22:43:57 | amiconn | Problem: The DMA is chunked into block size anyway, with some necessary polling inbetween |
| 22:44:12 | [IDC]Dragon | I think if we do it at the start, we're more sure to reach it again at the end, then stick as close as possible |
| 22:44:25 | [IDC]Dragon | do the uncertain part first |
| 22:45:12 | [IDC]Dragon | what block size do you have in mind? |
| 22:45:35 | amiconn | Yes, but a complete transfer might run for several seconds. Just yielding once would not help much |
| 22:45:35 | amiconn | The block size is fixed, 512 bytes |
| 22:45:35 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, Ok, I was thinking in sectors |
| 22:45:52 | [IDC]Dragon | huh? |
| 22:46:01 | [IDC]Dragon | (confused again) |
| 22:46:25 | [IDC]Dragon | if you do multi-block, it can be quite long? |
| 22:46:32 | [IDC]Dragon | in one go |
| 22:46:49 | [IDC]Dragon | with no further command |
| 22:46:59 | amiconn | Each data block comes in with a start byte in front, which has to be polled for (worst case: 10 ms with the internal flash), the 512 bytes of data, then 2 bytes crc |
| 22:47:51 | amiconn | Multi-block transfer is unlimited with MMC, you send a start command, and the card starts transferring block after block until you send a stop command (reading) or a stop token (writing) |
| 22:48:00 | [IDC]Dragon | ok. Then we can poll for start, set the DMA, yield, run behind bitswapping. |
| 22:48:15 | [IDC]Dragon | sequence repeats for each sector |
| 22:49:02 | uski | gtg |
| 22:49:12 | uski | have a nice technical talk ;) |
| 22:49:39 | amiconn | For sector-wise, I think its better to use this sequence: poll for start, set DMA, bitswap previous block, yield, wait for end of DMA |
| 22:50:38 | amiconn | If the thread itself should do the run-behind bitswap continuously, the poll-for-next would have to be done in the ISR |
| 22:53:33 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:54:26 | [IDC]Dragon | I have to leave now |
| 22:54:27 | | Quit uski ("Leaving") |
| 22:54:38 | [IDC]Dragon | (like uski) |
| 22:54:46 | [IDC]Dragon | nite! |
| 22:54:52 | | Quit [IDC]Dragon () |
| 22:54:55 | amiconn | nite [IDC]Dragon |
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