| 00:01:08 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK CpuMan2001 |
| 00:01:08 | CpuMan2001 | ( thegeek ) made a feature request, haven't seen anything about it yet |
| 00:01:46 | CpuMan2001 | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1047334&group_id=44306&atid=439121 |
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| 00:19:05 | thegeek | whoa? |
| 00:19:08 | thegeek | ah |
| 00:19:08 | thegeek | ;) |
| 00:19:10 | thegeek | dang |
| 00:19:12 | thegeek | green text |
| 00:19:17 | thegeek | ;) |
| 00:19:43 | thegeek | if a developer feels like implementing it is worth their time it will probably be done;) |
| 00:19:45 | thegeek | if noe, well;) |
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| 00:27:27 | CpuMan2001 | alright, thanks |
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| 00:45:42 | yeft | i need some help |
| 00:45:57 | yeft | you guys are the smartest bunch of techies i know... |
| 00:47:15 | yeft | anyone alive/ |
| 00:55:48 | amiconn | Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......... |
| 00:56:54 | amiconn | (Sorry, couldn't resist) |
| 00:57:35 | yeft | ...well apparently i'm screwed |
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| 01:02:09 | yeft | cause i'm scared someone has a keylogger installed on here |
| 01:02:13 | amiconn | hi LinusN |
| 01:02:31 | LinusN | hi |
| 01:02:37 | yeft | hi linusn... |
| 01:08:09 | amiconn | LinusN: There are 3 open .lang patches in the tracker. I wonder whether we should let them go into 2.3 (czech, french, and wallisertitsch) |
| 01:08:22 | LinusN | we should |
| 01:08:41 | LinusN | however, there has been a lot of frenchmen discussing the french translation |
| 01:09:38 | LinusN | wait with the french one |
| 01:11:15 | amiconn | In fact, rockbox claims to support 24 languages. However, many of them are way outdated. |
| 01:13:37 | amiconn | I'm currently doing extensive tests analyzing the MPEG2.5 playback problem. In parallel I'm looking into MBROLA tts, in order to produce voice files for more languages. MBROLA also supports Swedish... |
| 01:19:27 | LinusN | i have tried mbrola, sounds like sh*t |
| 01:19:30 | LinusN | :-) |
| 01:19:53 | LinusN | compared to the at&t etc |
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| 01:20:09 | LinusN | what is the mpeg2.5 bug? |
| 01:21:12 | amiconn | Ah. Did not try it yet. Some other products I tried sound really good (and also offer more languages that AT&T), but they are not free.... For instance, ScanSoft RealSpeak supports many languages, and sounds really good. |
| 01:22:08 | amiconn | I reported that MPEG2.5 problem on the ml... seems to be a MAS issue that is (strangely) common to all MAS kinds... |
| 01:22:28 | LinusN | yes, you said "stuttering"? |
| 01:24:11 | amiconn | Actually, there are 2 problems: (1) Playback of MPEG2.5 layer 3 *VBR* is stuttering. CBR works. (2) Playback of MPEG2.5 layer 2 is totally odd: 8 kHz and 11 kHz make "twittering" noises, 12 kHz sounds like mickey mouse. |
| 01:25:59 | amiconn | All combinations tested on Ondio (both with rockbox and archos fw) so far, but progressing (geez! this means listening to the same track 162 times!) |
| 01:26:49 | LinusN | and ot works on the archos fw? |
| 01:27:01 | amiconn | No, it's the same |
| 01:27:21 | LinusN | try fiddling with the postpone_dma_tick() delay |
| 01:27:57 | amiconn | Iirc this is only for the newer mas' (recorder/ondio)? The problem is also there on the player (!) |
| 01:28:43 | amiconn | (player not completely tested yet, rockbox only so far, and vbr only) |
| 01:30:10 | LinusN | i suggest you put a scope on the DEMAND pin |
| 01:30:46 | amiconn | Awww... can be difficult. Those pins are really dense |
| 01:34:47 | amiconn | I suppose that the mas (all kinds) don't support LSF with layer 2. The layer 3 VBR issue is a bug. Maybe it can be fixed by adjusting the postpone thingy, however, I wonder how to do this on the player |
| 01:39:07 | amiconn | LinusN: If you are interested I could send you my test set (the whole set is ~85 MB, the MPEG2.5 part alone is ~9 MB) |
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| 01:45:45 | LinusN | i have to go to sleep now |
| 01:46:06 | LinusN | cu tomorrow |
| 01:46:08 | LinusN | nite |
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| 02:03:47 | amiconn | Ah crap |
| 02:04:51 | amiconn | TooLame is too lame to produce correct MPEG2.5 layer 2 files :^( |
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| 02:18:59 | bagawk | amiconn: not sure what the exchange rate is now, but i found a distributor in the US for LEDS, they have 0805 white for .60$ each and sell any quanity |
| 02:19:15 | bagawk | I will be ordering them soon, as soon as i can get my mom to |
| 02:19:43 | bagawk | the site is lsdiodes.com |
| 02:19:47 | Plugh | bagawk: lemme know what LEDs you want |
| 02:19:58 | Plugh | a friend orders them from Taiwan |
| 02:20:06 | bagawk | Plugh: really? |
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| 02:20:50 | bagawk | Plugh: smd white leds in a 0805 casing |
| 02:21:11 | bagawk | 100 mca or so |
| 02:21:31 | Plugh | asking him now |
| 02:21:43 | Plugh | btw, what'd ya want the other day? I got a msg from ya |
| 02:21:48 | amiconn | bagawk: The price is good, I'd say |
| 02:22:10 | bagawk | not much, just wanted to talk to you, i have not seen you around in a LONG time |
| 02:22:25 | bagawk | If you do not remember me, i was once dstar5 |
| 02:22:50 | Plugh | ah yes. Heys diddy |
| 02:23:15 | Plugh | I was looking for someone to help me patch my rockbox for CD length recording splits |
| 02:23:46 | Plugh | midk helped out a bit but we found that the devs moved to gcc 3.3 req'd |
| 02:24:29 | Plugh | right now I can't get gcc 3.3 installed |
| 02:24:31 | Plugh | grr |
| 02:24:37 | bagawk | :( |
| 02:25:03 | Plugh | In file included from embed-bb.c:40: |
| 02:25:03 | Plugh | tsystem.h:72:19: stdio.h: No such file or directory |
| 02:25:03 | Plugh | tsystem.h:75:23: sys/types.h: No such file or directory |
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| 02:25:03 | Plugh | tsystem.h:78:19: errno.h: No such file or directory |
| 02:25:06 | Plugh | blah blah |
| 02:25:30 | bagawk | :P looks like the search path is not working right |
| 02:26:09 | Plugh | looks to me like ./configure missed something |
| 02:26:42 | bagawk | i have binary versions of 3.3.1 |
| 02:26:46 | bagawk | (for cygwin) |
| 02:27:11 | bagawk | all you would have to do is do a export |
| 02:27:59 | Plugh | bah |
| 02:28:16 | Plugh | f@#% cygwin |
| 02:28:22 | Plugh | I wanna do this in linux |
| 02:28:29 | bagawk | hehe |
| 02:28:34 | bagawk | i thought you used cygwin |
| 02:28:56 | Plugh | only to save me from a fate worse than DOS when working in Windows |
| 02:29:13 | bagawk | true... |
| 02:29:19 | Plugh | my primary dev environment is, and has been for the past 13 years, UNIX |
| 02:30:09 | bagawk | I would love to completely switch to linux |
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| 02:31:05 | Plugh | /home/plugh/gcc-3.3.4/gcc/xgcc -B/home/plugh/gcc-3.3.4/gcc/ -B/home/plugh/sh1/sh-elf/bin/ -B/home/plugh/sh1/sh-elf/lib/ -isystem /home/plugh/sh1/sh-elf/include -O2 -DIN_GCC -DCROSS_COMPILE -W -Wall -Wwrite-strings -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -isystem ./include -g -DIN_LIBGCC2 -D__GCC_FLOAT_NOT_NEEDED -Dinhibit_libc -I. -I. -I. -I./. -I./config -I./../include -c embed-bb.c -o libgcc/./embed-bb.o |
| 02:31:07 | bagawk | Just need a modem that is supported, and my dad to realize that AOL is horrible |
| 02:31:14 | Plugh | that seems to be... wrong |
| 02:31:26 | Plugh | it's looking for includes that haven't been installed to the path yet |
| 02:32:47 | bagawk | Plugh: what distrobution do you use? |
| 02:32:57 | Plugh | some old redhat |
| 02:33:07 | Plugh | totally bastardized for my needs |
| 02:33:18 | bagawk | I bet |
| 02:33:43 | bagawk | What window manager do you use? |
| 02:33:50 | Plugh | window manager? |
| 02:33:53 | Plugh | what's that? |
| 02:34:25 | ze | X == 6-10 terms visible at once |
| 02:34:33 | ze | :p |
| 02:34:49 | bagawk | like GNOME, KDE, ratpoison, fluxbox, blackbox, xfce... |
| 02:34:54 | ze | E! |
| 02:34:58 | Plugh | screen = umm... 20 or 30 terms at once |
| 02:34:58 | bagawk | so you dont use X? |
| 02:35:04 | Plugh | no, I don't use X |
| 02:35:09 | Plugh | X is teh debil |
| 02:35:09 | bagawk | ahh |
| 02:35:15 | bagawk | hehe |
| 02:35:31 | ze | well number of terms depends on screen resolution and terminal size... |
| 02:35:39 | Plugh | not for me |
| 02:36:00 | ze | number wholey visible at once that is |
| 02:36:00 | ze | heh |
| 02:36:15 | bagawk | I am to lazy to go without X |
| 02:36:35 | Plugh | I'm running 15 textmode windows at once |
| 02:36:39 | Plugh | with no windowing |
| 02:36:46 | Plugh | straight text |
| 02:37:00 | bagawk | :) |
| 02:37:06 | Plugh | and my interface transfers from one computer to another with nothing more than an ssh client |
| 02:37:11 | ze | i also like having firefox with a dozen tabs for my desktop background |
| 02:37:30 | ze | yeah well it's not like X isn't network transparent |
| 02:37:46 | Plugh | screw UNIX browsing. heh. I use Windows for that crap |
| 02:37:51 | ze | but yeah ssh/screen is better in that respect |
| 02:37:52 | ze | haha |
| 02:38:31 | ze | well if you're just a masochist, then whatever :p |
| 02:38:44 | bagawk | macintosh is weird |
| 02:39:22 | bagawk | It looks so nicve, but i hate when one program has so many windows |
| 02:39:58 | bagawk | Thats on reason why I do not like the GIMP |
| 02:40:55 | amiconn | As there seem to be some cli techies around: I'm looking for a simple mpeg audio encoder that is able to *correctly* encode mpeg2.5 layer 2. Suggestions, anyone? |
| 02:41:13 | Plugh | lame? |
| 02:41:14 | ze | toolame? |
| 02:41:19 | bagawk | LAME does not do it? |
| 02:41:23 | ze | lame's layer-3 only iirc |
| 02:41:26 | amiconn | TooLame is obviously too lame to do it, and lame is layer 3 only |
| 02:41:27 | ze | thats why there's toolame |
| 02:41:55 | Plugh | oh, 2.5 layer 2... dunno. I'm sure there is |
| 02:42:01 | Plugh | fraunhoffer? |
| 02:42:01 | ze | i don't know of any other layer-2 encoders |
| 02:42:05 | ze | oh right |
| 02:42:09 | ze | probably that |
| 02:42:12 | amiconn | toolame works fine with mpeg1 and mpeg2 layer 2, but fails on 2.5 |
| 02:42:58 | ze | what does 2.5 bring to layer-2? |
| 02:43:19 | ze | just broader bitrate range like layer-3? |
| 02:43:51 | amiconn | mpeg2.5 (not an official standard btw) is sometimes also referred as LSF. It defines the sample frequencies 8, 11.025 and 12 kHz, for all layers |
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| 02:48:47 | ze | anybody know much about condenser mics? |
| 02:49:25 | bagawk | Nope |
| 02:50:18 | amiconn | No, sorry |
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| 03:07:45 | bagawk | bye bye |
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| 03:08:12 | amiconn | Bah, seems I have to compile the latest toolame myself. |
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| 05:02:59 | vinsm | is the gmini 400 worth a purchase?? |
| 05:03:14 | vinsm | heard rumours bout a gba emulator...any truth? |
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| 05:08:42 | NibbIer | helo |
| 05:09:29 | vinsm | hi |
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| 05:10:23 | vinsm | is the gmini 400 worth a purchase?? |
| 05:10:23 | vinsm | <vinsm> heard rumours bout a gba emulator...any truth? |
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| 05:12:47 | NibbIer | rockbox.org - nice :) |
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| 05:46:24 | wacky_ | ls -al |
| 05:46:29 | wacky_ | oops :) lol |
| 05:46:50 | wacky_ | are you guys Rockbox fans ? |
| 05:47:04 | wacky_ | and do you know about the H1xx iRiver series development ? |
| 05:47:46 | NibbIer | i am rockbox fan, caus it roxx |
| 05:47:55 | NibbIer | but i dont have a archos atm :( |
| 05:50:46 | wacky_ | hmm.. okay |
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| 06:03:57 | Plugh | iriver doesn't work... yet |
| 06:04:21 | Stryke` | give it time |
| 06:06:11 | wacky_ | yeah... of course :) |
| 06:06:15 | wacky_ | I just read the IRC archives.. |
| 06:06:31 | wacky_ | man you guys are good.. |
| 06:06:47 | Stryke` | as soon as it starts working, then comes all the feature requests of which i've got quite a few ;-) |
| 06:07:13 | wacky_ | not to kick these perfect idiots flooding the channel with non-sense |
| 06:11:28 | Plugh | Stryke`: if you have feature reqs, log them to the project now |
| 06:11:53 | Plugh | it might get implemented for archos, etc. and will just port to iriver when they fix the core code |
| 06:12:03 | wacky_ | do you guys own any player ?! |
| 06:12:15 | Plugh | FMR here |
| 06:12:46 | wacky_ | did you have a look at the iRiver players ? how would you compare them ? |
| 06:13:28 | NibbIer | i am looging at iriver atm |
| 06:13:29 | Stryke` | i have an iRiver iHP-120 |
| 06:13:35 | Plugh | nope. My FMR has worked for over a year and a half, and I haven't seen a need to replace it yet |
| 06:13:41 | wacky_ | also, must these guys write new drivers for all the H1xx pieces of hardware ? like the HDD, the LCD, etc.. ? |
| 06:13:55 | Stryke` | Plugh: can't the archos can't support new file formats and APEv2 Tag support is kinda secondary |
| 06:14:31 | Plugh | true that it won't support more than mp3 |
| 06:14:39 | wacky_ | Plugh - yeah.. just wanted to know if you could compare both.. because I don'Kt know about the FMR |
| 06:14:49 | Stryke` | .MPC support would be to-die-for |
| 06:14:55 | Plugh | why |
| 06:15:01 | Plugh | all my music is mp3 |
| 06:15:02 | Plugh | :) |
| 06:15:10 | Plugh | and my books |
| 06:15:10 | wacky_ | All my music is Ogg ! |
| 06:15:32 | Plugh | sorry to hear that wacky |
| 06:15:44 | wacky_ | Come on you guys.. :) Be real geeks.. and push for all the open standards :) Open source firmware, etc :) |
| 06:16:01 | Plugh | umm. the MAS decoder chip can't support other formats |
| 06:16:02 | Stryke` | so is mine (MP3), however MPC has proven (through ABX, both personal and other) to be transparent at much lower bitrates, is natively gapless, and APEv2 tags are its standard |
| 06:16:03 | wacky_ | Plugh - why are you sorry ?! because of my music being in ogg ? |
| 06:16:11 | Plugh | MAS is what's in my player |
| 06:16:23 | Plugh | so umm... there's no need to switch music formats |
| 06:16:45 | Plugh | mp3 is probably the most universally supported encoding |
| 06:16:55 | wacky_ | Stryke` - Have a look at the Ogg Vorbis specs :) |
| 06:17:06 | Plugh | so why be divisive by suggesting new codecs? |
| 06:17:15 | Plugh | simplicity is king |
| 06:17:19 | Stryke` | wacky_: vorbis is nice by design, but forked and not tuned (yet) as well as MPC |
| 06:17:25 | wacky_ | mp3 is way too old |
| 06:17:34 | Plugh | so is FAT |
| 06:17:46 | Plugh | and ASCII |
| 06:17:51 | Plugh | ASCII is hella old |
| 06:17:58 | Stryke` | as long as the firmware eventually supports gapless from LAME tags (like foobar and other software, and the Rio Karma) all will be fine |
| 06:18:18 | wacky_ | Stryke` - the latest release beats them all :) with the fine tunings of aoTuV |
| 06:18:32 | Stryke` | for transparency? |
| 06:18:36 | wacky_ | and more over, it's *free* !! |
| 06:18:44 | Stryke` | MPC is free, open source decoder |
| 06:19:06 | wacky_ | is that the Musepack codec ? |
| 06:19:14 | Stryke` | yes |
| 06:19:28 | Stryke` | 99.9% of people use MP3, i understand. but there's no reason not to include open source decoders if possible (ogg, mpc, et al) |
| 06:19:29 | NibbIer | how many GB does iriver hp120 have? |
| 06:19:40 | Stryke` | iHP-120 has 20, 140 has 40 |
| 06:20:11 | NibbIer | ah ic |
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| 06:21:07 | wacky_ | btw, MPC is based on patented MPEG techonologies, it's absolutely not free |
| 06:21:26 | Stryke` | MPC has an open source decoder |
| 06:21:47 | Stryke` | its generally thought these patents (if they exist) are nearly expired |
| 06:21:52 | wacky_ | the only thing.. is that there are *kind of free* implementations.. but just like mpg123 decodes mp3 doesn't make MP3 a free codec |
| 06:22:39 | wacky_ | but it's generally false :) since patents last for at least 20 years.. and MP3 has about 13-15 years old.. and MPC was something that appeared wwaaaay after Mp3 :) |
| 06:22:54 | Stryke` | MPC is based on MP2, not 3 |
| 06:23:21 | wacky_ | and don't think they don't exist :) because the MPEG group blasts his technologies with patents.. not just one.. not just a couple.. |
| 06:23:36 | wacky_ | where's the difference ? same licensing problem |
| 06:24:12 | Stryke` | i honestly don't see the advantages of the completely free Ogg Vorbis over MPC or MP3 |
| 06:24:21 | wacky_ | If you want to use a free codec.. use Vorbis .. some crazy guys *really* fine tuned the rates to be impressive.. that's the power of open source, open specs, etc :) |
| 06:24:26 | Stryke` | its not as if the software/hardware that currently decodes will stop it |
| 06:25:00 | wacky_ | we *must* push for open standards, free (as in liberté) software and codecs, |
| 06:25:31 | wacky_ | because that's what makes a better world, more interoperable systems and more global technologies |
| 06:25:33 | Stryke` | but the open source nature of Vorbis makes it fork way too often |
| 06:25:43 | wacky_ | what ?!? |
| 06:26:03 | wacky_ | when did you see Vorbis fork that much ? |
| 06:26:35 | Stryke` | when there was GT3b1, GT3b1, aoTuV beta 2, 1.0.1 all out at the same time |
| 06:26:41 | Stryke` | and Megamixes which combined |
| 06:27:00 | wacky_ | except aoTuV.. that recently merged with libvorbis1.1.0 |
| 06:27:19 | Stryke` | is 1.1 the newest? |
| 06:27:43 | Stryke` | with the aoTuV tunings |
| 06:27:52 | wacky_ | yup |
| 06:27:54 | Stryke` | to be honest, i don't care much for the low-end bitrate tunings |
| 06:28:14 | Stryke` | if this reaches transparency ~160-192 kbps VBR, i will definitely look into it |
| 06:28:14 | wacky_ | anyway... this isn't much an audio issue |
| 06:28:15 | Plugh | I'd love some good low-bitrate encodes for books |
| 06:28:26 | NibbIer | thats nice for streams, but u hardly listen to streams on your archos :) |
| 06:28:28 | Stryke` | MPC is also a very fast encoder/decoder |
| 06:28:54 | wacky_ | Never, in my life time.. anyone will be able to take my ogg files out of my hands |
| 06:28:55 | Plugh | mp3 is plenty OK in realtime |
| 06:28:58 | Plugh | :) |
| 06:29:14 | wacky_ | We can't be sure with your MP3 and MPC files |
| 06:29:26 | Plugh | wacky: you're gonna be a long time waiting for a portable device to listen to your oggs |
| 06:29:36 | wacky_ | ?! |
| 06:29:38 | wacky_ | I own it already |
| 06:29:42 | Stryke` | iRiver plays Ogg Vorbis right now |
| 06:29:54 | Plugh | ah |
| 06:30:01 | wacky_ | hey .. Vorbis isn't a joke |
| 06:30:03 | Plugh | is it in hardware? |
| 06:30:06 | wacky_ | software |
| 06:30:17 | Stryke` | Plugh: iRiver doesn't have a hardware decoder |
| 06:30:19 | wacky_ | and there's that other crazy guy that developed Ogg-on-a-Chip.. a hardware decoding chip |
| 06:30:23 | Stryke` | its all soft |
| 06:30:37 | wacky_ | you know why ? because he just downloaded the specs from the website |
| 06:30:47 | wacky_ | he didn't need to license anything.. it cost nothing |
| 06:31:01 | Plugh | heh in that case, it'll probably take a while for rockbox on iriver |
| 06:31:16 | Stryke` | Tremor is available for anyone |
| 06:31:20 | wacky_ | and now those wackos developing childish speaking pets can use Ogg-on-a-chip and pay nothing to anyone |
| 06:31:29 | Plugh | afaik, there's no decoder source written for rockbox |
| 06:31:30 | Plugh | yet |
| 06:31:34 | wacky_ | a lot of game developers now use Ogg over MP3 |
| 06:31:39 | wacky_ | you know why ?! huh ? |
| 06:31:54 | Plugh | cuz Fraunhoffer is a bitch? |
| 06:31:57 | wacky_ | because they can get it to work the way *they* intend it to be.. and for free |
| 06:32:26 | Stryke` | wacky_: from musepack.net: |
| 06:32:28 | Stryke` | "It is based on the MPEG-1 Layer-2 / MP2 algorithms, but has rapidly developed and vastly improved and is now at an advanced stage in which it contains heavily optimized and patentless code." |
| 06:32:31 | wacky_ | Fraunhoffer and the other can keep their old bullshit anyway.. who cares about Fraunhoffer, now that we have our own codec! |
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| 06:33:35 | wacky_ | hey man! Vorbis is yours! and mine! Wouldn't you use something that truly is yours ? |
| 06:34:00 | Stryke` | patentless code, both the encoder and decoder open source |
| 06:34:04 | Stryke` | sounds pretty free to me |
| 06:34:11 | wacky_ | you'll *never* be tied using these ! that's why we must push it .. everywhere you can .. in any contexts.. you need an audio codec ? use Vorbis! everywhere |
| 06:34:27 | Stryke` | here's to zealotry ;-) |
| 06:34:35 | wacky_ | that way.. Vorbis will get used.. and will spread.. and soon we will have a free (as in libre, again) audio world |
| 06:34:46 | Plugh | here's to people living up to their IRC nicks |
| 06:34:58 | wacky_ | :P |
| 06:35:02 | Stryke` | harder for some than others |
| 06:36:01 | Plugh | 50% of my music collection was created before ogg, before wma, before mpc |
| 06:36:17 | Plugh | back then, you had .wav, .au, .mp3, and .aiff |
| 06:36:26 | wacky_ | mine too! but don't you think I switched immediately ? and starting my .ogg collection right away |
| 06:36:46 | Plugh | guess which one of those 4 wins on the size/quality spectrum |
| 06:36:50 | wacky_ | so slowly.. but consciouly and actively, I'm switching codecs |
| 06:37:00 | Plugh | anyone? anyone? Bueller? Bueller? |
| 06:37:08 | Stryke` | Plugh: do you rip your own? or only download |
| 06:37:11 | wacky_ | hey.. that was years ago |
| 06:37:15 | Plugh | Stryke`: both |
| 06:37:19 | Plugh | yes, it was years ago |
| 06:37:45 | Stryke` | so a switch to a new codec simply means in the future when you rip a CD, rip it in whatever format you prefer |
| 06:37:46 | Plugh | and right now, my player only supports mp3 |
| 06:37:47 | wacky_ | you think we should stick with that old mono-stereo-only distorted codec because he was there first ? |
| 06:37:50 | wacky_ | and that no change is possible ? |
| 06:38:11 | Stryke` | night, all |
| 06:38:13 | Plugh | so excuse me for not being excited about changing |
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| 06:38:23 | wacky_ | Plugh - then you bought the wrong one :) |
| 06:38:26 | Plugh | I refuse to re-encode all my music |
| 06:38:33 | wacky_ | I never re-encoded my music |
| 06:38:38 | Plugh | no I didn't. There were no other players on the market |
| 06:38:45 | Plugh | nothing reprogrammable |
| 06:38:50 | wacky_ | and btw, that's a quite bad idea.. since you'll lose quality tremendeously |
| 06:38:59 | Plugh | CORRECT SIR! |
| 06:39:10 | wacky_ | the iRiver H1xx series :) |
| 06:39:22 | wacky_ | I got mine about a year and a quarter ago :) |
| 06:39:30 | wacky_ | heheh.. anyway :) |
| 06:40:10 | wacky_ | just wanted to spread my 2 cents :) |
| 06:40:12 | Plugh | have you tried this Ogg diatribe with Linus in channel? ;) |
| 06:40:24 | wacky_ | no.. it's the first time I come here |
| 06:40:29 | wacky_ | what does Linus think about Ogg ? |
| 06:40:36 | Plugh | umm |
| 06:40:50 | Plugh | he's tired of being pestered about it |
| 06:40:57 | Plugh | Ogg is on the NODO list |
| 06:41:05 | Plugh | which means, don't ask |
| 06:42:15 | wacky_ | ohh.. that's alright :) but you can be sure I'll use the firmware which keeps my music free, in the first place.. |
| 06:42:21 | Plugh | haha! Someone had a feature request to allow the FM models to play AM channels, simply by tuning it down |
| 06:42:42 | Plugh | so you'll use closed-source software to play your open-source music |
| 06:42:44 | Plugh | heh |
| 06:42:59 | Plugh | I'd rather use open-source software to play closed-source music ;) |
| 06:43:17 | wacky_ | well I can always throw out the player .. and buy another one.. or play it on the computer |
| 06:43:24 | wacky_ | I won't throw out my music collection |
| 06:43:46 | Plugh | nor will I |
| 06:43:53 | Plugh | and I will not re-encode my music |
| 06:44:26 | wacky_ | you'll never free your music from using closed-source software if you encode it as such.. but you can always free it if you get some open-source firmware afterwards |
| 06:44:30 | wacky_ | the reverse isn't true, though |
| 06:45:07 | wacky_ | (ouch.. that sentence was a bit non-sense.. anyway.. hope you catched a bit :) |
| 06:45:28 | Plugh | pardon my lack of enthusiasm for your favorite format. My player will never support your format, so frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. |
| 06:45:42 | wacky_ | :P |
| 06:45:56 | wacky_ | why do you use Linux ? |
| 06:46:19 | Plugh | why don't you? |
| 06:46:20 | Plugh | :) |
| 06:46:28 | wacky_ | ?? |
| 06:46:59 | wacky_ | I do |
| 06:47:11 | Plugh | I use Linux because I've been using it for the past 13 years |
| 06:47:18 | wacky_ | GNU/Linux is my baby :) |
| 06:47:37 | Plugh | I've been using it since kernel 0.96a |
| 06:48:00 | Plugh | and it does what I need it to do for mail and servers |
| 06:49:06 | wacky_ | and maybe it's because it was so widely used at the time.. and because it was soo functional and simple ? |
| 06:49:33 | Plugh | um, yeah... Linux was widely used and simple in 1991... |
| 06:49:34 | Plugh | :P |
| 06:49:40 | wacky_ | and not because it was free ? |
| 06:49:44 | wacky_ | nahhhh.. give me a break |
| 06:50:47 | wacky_ | anyway :) I'll go get some rest |
| 06:50:58 | wacky_ | that was an interesting discussion :) |
| 06:51:11 | Plugh | I used Linux because I needed to learn UNIX |
| 06:51:18 | Plugh | I was working in SunOS |
| 06:51:31 | Plugh | and it was the best offering to run on my 386SX |
| 06:51:42 | wacky_ | we'll have a chat some day :) |
| 06:51:58 | wacky_ | next time it could be on the open-source economics ?! :) why not :) hheheh |
| 06:52:05 | Plugh | mebbe |
| 06:52:13 | Plugh | btw, I'm an open-source fiend |
| 06:52:28 | Plugh | one of the 1st 100 people to register on Sourceforge on release day |
| 06:52:57 | wacky_ | :P yeah.. you must :) otherwise... you wouldn't be here :) |
| 06:53:00 | wacky_ | see you later :) |
| 06:53:18 | Plugh | I'm here cuz I needed my FMR to do better recording ;) |
| 06:53:19 | Plugh | cya |
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| 06:53:39 | Plugh | silly canuck |
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| 08:32:37 | Zagor | morning |
| 08:34:05 | dwihno | howdy ho! |
| 08:34:06 | LinusN | yo ho |
| 08:34:14 | LinusN | Zagor: seen the news? |
| 08:34:25 | Zagor | no. what? |
| 08:34:28 | dwihno | :O :O :O :O |
| 08:34:33 | dwihno | Hooray for Linus! |
| 08:34:48 | Zagor | wooo, lcd coolness |
| 08:34:59 | LinusN | check the picture |
| 08:35:06 | dwihno | yum yum |
| 08:35:23 | Zagor | looking great |
| 08:35:39 | LinusN | makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside... |
| 08:35:43 | Zagor | yeah |
| 08:36:32 | dwihno | This is really cool! |
| 08:36:35 | dwihno | Really really cool! |
| 08:36:41 | LinusN | indeed |
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| 09:09:16 | MisticJeff | Morning All |
| 09:09:26 | Zagor | hi jeff |
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| 09:10:10 | lImbus | Hi All. |
| 09:10:16 | lImbus | Ah, Congratz LinusN |
| 09:10:38 | MisticJeff | Very Nice! Linus ;) |
| 09:10:48 | lImbus | the display looks wicked, sheesh ! |
| 09:11:27 | lImbus | I had a brief look at the code you commited. Dude, I don't get much ! |
| 09:12:49 | Zagor | hehe |
| 09:13:10 | lImbus | :) |
| 09:16:02 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 2 hours and 23 minutes at the last flood |
| 09:16:02 | * | LinusN is happy |
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| 09:21:12 | Plugh | hiya Linus |
| 09:21:16 | Plugh | how ya been? |
| 09:21:22 | LinusN | sick :-( |
| 09:21:53 | Plugh | sorry to hear |
| 09:22:00 | Plugh | I'm a little under the weather myself |
| 09:22:12 | Plugh | spent Saturday camping in the rain |
| 09:22:25 | LinusN | always a nice way to spend a saturday |
| 09:22:27 | Plugh | got soaked to the skin in like 12C temps |
| 09:22:46 | LinusN | camping at its best |
| 09:24:02 | Plugh | my mistake for not wearing anything waterproof |
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| 09:31:29 | ceebmoj | helow |
| 09:32:36 | LinusN | hi |
| 09:33:47 | ceebmoj | I am intrested in helping with the port to ihp-120 and was wondering if ther was any thing inpaticula that pepol would like me to look at |
| 09:33:56 | Bagder | *rock* LinusN! |
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| 09:40:56 | * | Bagder detects code duplication in lcd-recorder and lcd-h100 |
| 09:41:07 | Bagder | but I guess we'll sort that out later, if needed |
| 09:41:23 | Zagor | yeah |
| 09:44:17 | LinusN | ceebmoj: i'll put up a todo list soon |
| 09:44:58 | Zagor | there's plenty to do |
| 09:46:21 | Bagder | I think we should make the sim work for h100 again |
| 09:46:43 | Bagder | since then we can at least point iriver people to it |
| 09:47:21 | * | Bagder goes to make coffee |
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| 09:50:28 | ceebmoj | helow again |
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| 09:59:00 | Bagder | Zagor: any release-notes draft for 2.3 yet? |
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| 10:00:09 | Zagor | not yet, just started on it. |
| 10:00:16 | Bagder | ok |
| 10:00:51 | Bagder | I wonder if we have any rockbox dude near Nice |
| 10:01:05 | Zagor | ahh, good thinking |
| 10:01:07 | LinusN | yeah |
| 10:01:38 | uski | hi all |
| 10:01:47 | Bagder | howdy uski |
| 10:02:09 | uski | :) |
| 10:02:21 | uski | im ok and i hope you are ok too |
| 10:02:31 | uski | there was a problem with haxx wasn't it ? |
| 10:03:27 | Bagder | when? |
| 10:04:00 | Zagor | it was down a few hours yesterday morning. a scsi disk is on its' last days. |
| 10:04:27 | Bagder | right, and it was off a while on friday evening (euro time) when we changed firewall |
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| 10:13:39 | [IDC]Dragon | morning |
| 10:13:49 | [IDC]Dragon | congratulations, LinusN ! |
| 10:16:05 | LinusN | thanks |
| 10:17:08 | [IDC]Dragon | what format is the crenn memory? I guess you have to rotate is straight again? |
| 10:17:16 | [IDC]Dragon | screen |
| 10:17:28 | [IDC]Dragon | s/is/it |
| 10:18:22 | uski | brb |
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| 10:19:47 | [IDC]Dragon | but your code seems to pass the data unmodified |
| 10:21:32 | Zagor | the epson controller uses the same screenbuffer format in b/w mode |
| 10:21:40 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: the data layout is exactly as the solomon controller |
| 10:21:55 | [IDC]Dragon | "compatibility mode", nice |
| 10:22:04 | LinusN | (in monochrome mode) |
| 10:22:32 | [IDC]Dragon | can yoi play .rvf's already? ;-) |
| 10:22:34 | Bagder | I guess that is good enough for the initial boot loader stuff |
| 10:22:42 | LinusN | absolutely |
| 10:23:00 | Bagder | I'm thrilled by this development |
| 10:23:27 | Zagor | actually it's good enough for everything, since we don't have any coloured stuff to display :) |
| 10:23:36 | Zagor | (yet) |
| 10:23:48 | Bagder | right |
| 10:23:52 | * | [IDC]Dragon remembers first time seeing the Rockbox logo on the Ondio |
| 10:24:01 | Bagder | but iriver owners will demand greyscale |
| 10:24:05 | [IDC]Dragon | but that was nothing in comparison |
| 10:24:05 | LinusN | sweet memories |
| 10:24:28 | Zagor | Bagder: then they are free to submit grayscale icons and whatnot |
| 10:24:38 | Bagder | hehe |
| 10:24:53 | Bagder | I'm sure I'll give in and get an iriver in the end and then I'll do my share as well |
| 10:25:16 | [IDC]Dragon | didn't you just get a JBR? |
| 10:25:25 | Bagder | I did |
| 10:25:36 | Bagder | but you can't really enjoy programming for a unit you don't own ;-) |
| 10:26:47 | LinusN | fyi, the grayscale format is almost the save, but has 2 bits per pixel, so each row is 4 pixels high |
| 10:26:55 | LinusN | s/save/same/ |
| 10:26:59 | Bagder | aha |
| 10:27:07 | [IDC]Dragon | what an odd format |
| 10:27:11 | Bagder | that's quite a convenient format |
| 10:28:08 | [IDC]Dragon | we can keep our font format, that's nice |
| 10:28:21 | * | Bagder runs off |
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| 10:28:48 | amiconn | hi all |
| 10:28:55 | [IDC]Dragon | hi one |
| 10:29:07 | amiconn | ;) |
| 10:29:11 | LinusN | you can set the level of the two grayscale shades in 6 steps |
| 10:29:36 | [IDC]Dragon | palette animation! |
| 10:29:42 | LinusN | wooo |
| 10:29:49 | Bagder | hehe, greyscale flickering for more scales! :-) |
| 10:30:12 | amiconn | LinusN: Congratulations! Rockbox logo in iRiver looks cool. Seems that iRiver doesn't need the white backlight mod ;) |
| 10:30:19 | amiconn | s/in/on/ |
| 10:30:33 | Bagder | Zagor: post a q on the list to see if there's any frech guy we can meet during the weekend, I gotta run |
| 10:30:45 | LinusN | cu Bagder |
| 10:35:55 | amiconn | LinusN: Forget my statements about MPEG2.5 layer 2. My test files were crap; toolame doesn't support that version-layer combo. Unfortunately, I found no other encoder that does. |
| 10:36:34 | amiconn | However, I found some more quirks while testing on the player. |
| 10:38:32 | amiconn | (1) layer 3 @11.025 kHz (only! but both cbr and vbr) causes "silent play". (2) layer 2 @48 kHz stutters (only a little) |
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| 11:01:56 | * | kurzhaarrocker shakes LinusN's hand. |
| 11:01:56 | kurzhaarrocker | Congrats for LCD driver! |
| 11:02:10 | LinusN | amiconn: those issues sound like DEMAND polling rate issues |
| 11:02:15 | LinusN | kurzhaarrocker: thanks |
| 11:02:48 | dwihno | LinusN: What is next on your roadmap? |
| 11:04:07 | LinusN | hard disk, serial port and flashing |
| 11:04:31 | amiconn | LinusN: Yes indeed. I wonder whether I would be able to see this when hooking up the demand pin to my scope (I only have an analog scope) |
| 11:04:40 | LinusN | it will ultimately end up in a boot loader |
| 11:05:53 | LinusN | might be hard with an analog scope |
| 11:07:20 | LinusN | amiconn: did you have any luck with the rs232 converter? |
| 11:07:41 | amiconn | Did not yet use it; too much Ondio work...# |
| 11:08:03 | amiconn | I intend to work on player flashing as soon as the Ondio dust settles |
| 11:08:46 | amiconn | The stuttering MPEG2.5 layer 3 VBR playback may be solvable with adjusting the postpone time, however, this means that the postpone time will have to be variable |
| 11:09:40 | amiconn | And: it might be we need a similar mechanism for the player, to fix the layer 2 issue |
| 11:10:15 | amiconn | Interesting detail: The archos player firmware doesn't support layer 2 at all (unlike the recorder & ondio versions) |
| 11:10:29 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:11:20 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: I forgot to mention, a while ago I measured the selects with the Archos Ondio firmware |
| 11:11:45 | [IDC]Dragon | they use the MMC /CS on demand, like we do |
| 11:11:58 | LinusN | amiconn: have you tried to pause S/PDIF recording? |
| 11:12:00 | [IDC]Dragon | but the LCD is selected all the time |
| 11:12:22 | [IDC]Dragon | (in turn, the tuner is not selected, unlike with Rockbox) |
| 11:13:18 | amiconn | LinusN: I didn't try paused recordings at all |
| 11:15:12 | LinusN | according to paul's latest email, he said it worked OK until he paused the recording |
| 11:15:13 | kurzhaarrocker | apropos spdif recording: yesterday I made a bunch of recordings using current build + triggered recording + spdif. Due to the trigger all files were < 9 min. None of them has audiable glitches. |
| 11:15:26 | kurzhaarrocker | (I didn't pause) |
| 11:15:43 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: So our power savings seem to result from the sleep instruction alone, which is a bit weird. The data sheet says there is a ~20 mA difference between active and sleeping. |
| 11:15:51 | LinusN | and he said "back to 2.2 again" as a result of that |
| 11:16:05 | LinusN | but 2.2 DOESN'T HAVE PAUSE |
| 11:16:18 | amiconn | Just wanted to say that... |
| 11:16:48 | Zagor | amiconn: it would be interesting to decrease the value of HZ and see the change in power savings |
| 11:17:14 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Or can it be that the lcd controller, being selected, adds that much to the power consumption? |
| 11:17:36 | amiconn | Zagor: If I read the disasm correctly, archos uses 200 ticks per sec |
| 11:17:59 | LinusN | yes, but they don't sleep between ticks |
| 11:18:13 | Zagor | we could probably live with 50 or even less |
| 11:18:13 | amiconn | yup, they don't sleep at all |
| 11:18:15 | LinusN | if we decrease HZ, the threads will sleep longer |
| 11:18:48 | LinusN | how long between DEMAND interrupts? |
| 11:18:53 | LinusN | 26ms? |
| 11:19:05 | amiconn | I'd rather not lower the value of HZ. The timing is relatively coarse already |
| 11:19:17 | Zagor | timing for what? |
| 11:19:52 | amiconn | Scrolling etc. |
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| 11:20:15 | Zagor | max scrolling frequency is 25 hz |
| 11:20:25 | amiconn | No, it is 33 Hz |
| 11:20:49 | Zagor | ok it changed again. it's way faster than readable anyway :) |
| 11:21:20 | amiconn | It's perfectly readable when you use 1 pixel steps |
| 11:21:20 | Zagor | anyway, i'll play a bit with it some day |
| 11:21:36 | Zagor | not on my screen. it becomes very fuzzy. |
| 11:21:53 | amiconn | I'd like to add some clever mechanism to the MMC driver, making it watching its own performance, and switch to "nasty" mode (not yielding for a couple of blocks) if it gets too slow because the other thrreads don't yield often enough |
| 11:22:21 | Zagor | is that really happening? |
| 11:22:24 | amiconn | However, this is where the 10 ms are *very* coarse; transferring 1 block from mmc is ~1.7 ms |
| 11:23:25 | amiconn | Yes, it does happen, observed with the mandelbrot plugin, which (knowingly) yields once per tick when it is busy |
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| 11:24:46 | LinusN | uuuh, the FLAC code uses floating point... |
| 11:26:12 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: I don't think the selected LCD draws significant power |
| 11:27:06 | [IDC]Dragon | would be a bad feature for a mobile phone display |
| 11:27:16 | amiconn | Yeah, I don't really think that it does, but the power consumption differences *must* be caused by something after all... |
| 11:27:51 | amiconn | Is there a way to completely disable the sleep mode in rockbox, for an experiment? |
| 11:28:41 | kurzhaarrocker | Has the Release Day (TM) been specified already? |
| 11:28:55 | LinusN | amiconn: easy |
| 11:29:07 | LinusN | kurzhaarrocker: not really |
| 11:30:14 | kurzhaarrocker | I assume that means Release Day != today? |
| 11:30:32 | amiconn | Shouldn't that already have been yesterday? Okay, I know that it was postponed... |
| 11:30:36 | LinusN | amiconn: comment out the "while(num_sleepers..." in switch_thread() |
| 11:31:31 | amiconn | Okay. I think I'll try that in the evening |
| 11:37:56 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Did you do some power measurements with your ondio fm? |
| 11:38:10 | [IDC]Dragon | sorry, still not |
| 11:38:20 | [IDC]Dragon | but I can do it this evening |
| 11:38:39 | [IDC]Dragon | I once made a "deep sleep" experimental plugin |
| 11:39:00 | amiconn | What does that do? |
| 11:39:18 | [IDC]Dragon | just to see how low it can go, it disables all interrupts and sleeps |
| 11:39:42 | [IDC]Dragon | of course you have to reboot after that |
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| 11:41:10 | [IDC]Dragon | all my "nice" test plugins are not built any more, since we have SOURCES |
| 11:41:44 | | Quit kurzhaarrocker (Nick collision from services.) |
| 11:41:48 | [IDC]Dragon | I should place a "*.C" wildcard there, and rename my files |
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| 11:42:14 | [IDC]Dragon | or something similar, so I don't have to specify each |
| 11:42:45 | amiconn | I only put my test plugins in when I need them to test something. Usually I don't want them, and building them always wastes time |
| 11:42:59 | [IDC]Dragon | my PC is fast |
| 11:43:06 | amiconn | Plus, I have some that require an adapted api. |
| 11:43:47 | amiconn | My laptop is considered fast too, still building rockbox takes some time. Every plugin adds to that |
| 11:44:04 | amiconn | You could add a "test_*.c" wildcard |
| 11:48:45 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, perhaps something like that |
| 11:49:16 | [IDC]Dragon | would be nice in the official build, so I don't need to locally branch SOURCES |
| 11:57:37 | kurzhaarrocker | Does anybody know what happens when the sample frequency in the spdif stream changes while recording? |
| 11:58:15 | LinusN | you will lose sync for a second or two, but i think the MAS can handle it |
| 11:58:51 | amiconn | ...and the file may not play correctly after the change point, until you split it |
| 11:59:54 | LinusN | sample rate changes in an mp3 stream is definitely not recommended |
| 12:00 |
| 12:00:06 | kurzhaarrocker | :) |
| 12:00:22 | LinusN | still, the mas handles it pretty well |
| 12:01:10 | amiconn | Yes, the mas does. Other players may not. |
| 12:02:16 | * | kurzhaarrocker wonders if a compression algorithm could be developed that utilizes dynamically adopted sample frequencies... |
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| 12:44:05 | | Nick Zagor|lunch is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
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| 12:59:09 | Zagor | review please: http://www.rockbox.org/download/rockbox-2.3-notes.txt |
| 12:59:26 | amiconn | Zagor: Got my answer regarding yield and the mmc driver? |
| 13:00 |
| 13:00:30 | Zagor | yes |
| 13:03:43 | kurzhaarrocker | Do you really want to mention the screen shot feature buried in the debug menu for the public morons? |
| 13:04:06 | Zagor | hmm, probably not |
| 13:04:39 | * | kurzhaarrocker smells "Help, my usb doesn't work any more" calls. |
| 13:04:52 | Bagder | well, its only mentioned it doesn't say how to use it |
| 13:05:44 | Zagor | kurzhaarrocker: why? |
| 13:05:52 | Bagder | you could mention the new domain more explicitly |
| 13:06:11 | amiconn | Zagor: My remarks: (1) Correct full names for Ondio: "Ondio 128", "Ondio 128 FM Recorder", "Ondio 128 SP". (2) screenshot feature is dev-only, imho. (3) The credits are missing the last 10 (!) additions |
| 13:06:21 | Bagder | Zagor: when they activate the screen dump feture |
| 13:06:27 | Zagor | i just added the credits |
| 13:06:45 | Zagor | "SP and FM" removed |
| 13:07:36 | Zagor | Bagder: ah. well i'm removing the screenshot mention |
| 13:07:53 | LinusN | "delete directories" -> "delete directories recursively" |
| 13:08:10 | Bagder | both are new, aren't they? |
| 13:09:20 | LinusN | yes, i just wanted to point out that it is recursive |
| 13:09:28 | Bagder | ok |
| 13:10:04 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Regarding my battery level adjustments: My Ondio even runs down to ~2.4 V, but when running from alkalines, the voltage may drop below that *within seconds* once it is below 2.7 V |
| 13:10:09 | Bagder | Zagor: I think you could put more names on each line in the credits section |
| 13:10:19 | Zagor | good point |
| 13:10:48 | kurzhaarrocker | Sorry, you've already got all the names I have :) |
| 13:12:09 | kurzhaarrocker | Were the config, firmware, wps... browsers present in 2.2 already? |
| 13:12:15 | LinusN | maybe mention something about rombox? |
| 13:12:23 | kurzhaarrocker | it is mentioned |
| 13:12:26 | Zagor | "- Rombox, optionally saving ~170KB RAM by running code from flash" |
| 13:12:47 | LinusN | doh |
| 13:12:57 | kurzhaarrocker | Did the video have sound in V2.2? |
| 13:13:55 | amiconn | Grayscale is not mentioned... |
| 13:14:20 | Zagor | kurzhaarrocker: yes, audio was added feb 5 |
| 13:14:39 | kurzhaarrocker | ok |
| 13:14:43 | Bagder | I think we should mention the new plugins by name. It'll look cooler I think |
| 13:17:11 | LinusN | "new look on the WPS progress bar" |
| 13:17:38 | Zagor | LinusN: I had that at first, but it fell below the significance treshold :) |
| 13:17:53 | LinusN | faster scrolling in the file list |
| 13:18:19 | Bagder | 2.3 fonts are incompatible with the 2.2 format |
| 13:18:38 | LinusN | any new languages? |
| 13:18:46 | amiconn | Way faster button handling in general |
| 13:20:12 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:23:07 | Zagor | crapola, the list of new plugins got quite long... |
| 13:23:42 | Zagor | i need to split off the ones that require bitmap lcd |
| 13:24:25 | LinusN | "Windows installer" |
| 13:27:00 | amiconn | Zagor: On+Play description is slightly incorrect. On+Play itself is a post-2.2 feature |
| 13:27:30 | amiconn | Ah, forget it |
| 13:27:34 | Zagor | :) |
| 13:28:03 | * | amiconn didn't read thoroughly enough |
| 13:37:47 | [IDC]Dragon | the release notes are quite compact |
| 13:37:59 | [IDC]Dragon | what have we done all these month? |
| 13:38:30 | Bagder | eeeeh... uuuh... I did pong! ;-P |
| 13:38:32 | LinusN | const policing |
| 13:38:39 | dwihno | rombox! |
| 13:38:46 | amiconn | Countless bugfixes... |
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| 13:39:10 | * | [IDC]Dragon provoked |
| 13:39:11 | amiconn | ...speed tweaking (lcd, mem, swap, ata)... |
| 13:39:21 | dwihno | true |
| 13:39:46 | LinusN | broke the s/pdif recording... |
| 13:39:48 | dwihno | That should be mentioned in the release notes |
| 13:39:50 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:40:18 | dwihno | * Linus broke spdif recording (he blames Zagor) |
| 13:40:19 | [IDC]Dragon | so we're accepting that for 2.3? |
| 13:40:24 | amiconn | s/pdif recording works for me, with the occasional bad frames as usual |
| 13:40:29 | LinusN | i blame amiconn |
| 13:41:36 | * | amiconn just realizes that he deleted his alternative recording transfer routines :( |
| 13:43:49 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: yes, since we have no fix in sight |
| 13:44:20 | [IDC]Dragon | :( |
| 13:45:30 | amiconn | LinusN: I also tried recording with the original C transfer routines, with identical results |
| 13:45:35 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: (release notes) perhaps capitalize JPEG |
| 13:46:02 | Zagor | ok |
| 13:46:47 | [IDC]Dragon | Rombox is also not avail. for Ondio FM |
| 13:47:18 | Zagor | only for rec v1 & v2, right? |
| 13:47:42 | [IDC]Dragon | and Ondio SP |
| 13:47:47 | Zagor | oh |
| 13:48:47 | * | Bagder is off |
| 13:49:39 | amiconn | Yeah. I have 1.845 MB buffer on my SP (set max files in dir to 100, and max playlist size to 1000) |
| 13:50:16 | [IDC]Dragon | how do you fit 1000 songs on it? |
| 13:51:00 | amiconn | It's the smallest possible setting (it in-/decrements by 1000) |
| 13:51:04 | Zagor | those values should probably be lower by default on ondio than the others |
| 13:51:24 | [IDC]Dragon | growing with MMC availability... |
| 13:52:00 | amiconn | 1000 songs is barely possible with an 1 GB MMC (3 minute songs @ crappy 128 kbps) |
| 13:52:32 | amiconn | Grr, wrong. It' 1000 minutes |
| 13:52:38 | amiconn | *it's |
| 13:52:50 | [IDC]Dragon | the Ondio doesn't really benefit from larger buffer |
| 13:53:01 | [IDC]Dragon | so I didn't care |
| 13:53:01 | Zagor | true |
| 13:53:33 | [IDC]Dragon | it boots a bit faster from Rombox, that's the fun about it |
| 13:56:03 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Did you try to build an Ondio sim? I did... no working keys ?!? |
| 13:56:33 | [IDC]Dragon | no, I didn't |
| 13:58:52 | [IDC]Dragon | do we have directory creation in the UI? |
| 13:59:00 | Zagor | yes |
| 13:59:56 | [IDC]Dragon | then it's missing in the release notes, or did we have it in 2.2 ? |
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| 14:00:03 | Zagor | I think we had it |
| 14:00:12 | Zagor | didn't see it in the commits |
| 14:00:40 | amiconn | Bagder: I possibly found a problem with the simulator builds: The dependency of the plugins from plugin.h seems to be not recognized, i.e. no recompiled plugins with a new plugin.h |
| 14:00:48 | Zagor | what is the difference btwn ondio 128 and ondio 128 sp? |
| 14:01:03 | [IDC]Dragon | sp has no tuner and no recording |
| 14:01:03 | amiconn | Ondio 128 == Ondio 128 FM recorder |
| 14:01:09 | Zagor | ok |
| 14:01:42 | amiconn | (probably archos changes it to ...FM recorder to distinguish from the SP, which came later) |
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| 14:12:30 | Zagor | anyone want to give a go at upgrading the windows installer script for ondio? |
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| 14:14:07 | elinenbe | LinusN: nice commits. |
| 14:14:23 | elinenbe | the iriver is coming along nicely, huh? |
| 14:16:26 | [IDC]Dragon | I now have the 2.3 contribution charts: |
| 14:16:41 | [IDC]Dragon | #1 Linus with 319 commits |
| 14:16:52 | [IDC]Dragon | #2 Jens with 190 |
| 14:17:09 | [IDC]Dragon | #3 me with 153 |
| 14:17:22 | [IDC]Dragon | #4 Daniel, 92 |
| 14:17:34 | [IDC]Dragon | #5 Björn, 60 |
| 14:17:47 | [IDC]Dragon | #6 Henrik, 22 |
| 14:17:59 | [IDC]Dragon | #7 Hardeep, 15 |
| 14:18:10 | amiconn | Ooops. I didn't really expect having contributed *that* much, concerning that I came "to the club" relatively late... |
| 14:18:11 | Zagor | :) |
| 14:18:19 | [IDC]Dragon | #8 MatsL, 11 |
| 14:18:34 | [IDC]Dragon | #9 Kjell, 9 |
| 14:18:44 | [IDC]Dragon | #10 Zakk, 7 |
| 14:18:55 | [IDC]Dragon | #11 Quelsaruk, 3 |
| 14:19:15 | [IDC]Dragon | (end of cvs contributors) |
| 14:19:15 | #>> | "seen" used by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) [snoop prevented] |
| 14:20:10 | LinusN | I WON!!!!! |
| 14:20:40 | [IDC]Dragon | of yourse this doesn't count the significance of a commit, nor how many files involved, nor how much changed |
| 14:20:55 | elinenbe | again Linus is macing the daddy! |
| 14:23:42 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: the many Ondio commits pushed us up |
| 14:28:32 | kurzhaarrocker | Don't give me cvs access! I'd only do as stuid things as commit triggered recording and maybe mix it up with triggered charging or something. |
| 14:29:12 | [IDC]Dragon | @haxx: what are you doing in france, if I may ask? |
| 14:29:25 | Zagor | company-internal conference |
| 14:30:12 | [IDC]Dragon | what company? |
| 14:30:18 | Zagor | Contactor |
| 14:30:29 | [IDC]Dragon | they're in france, too? |
| 14:30:53 | Zagor | no, we're all in sweden. we just go there to have a good time while "conferencing". |
| 14:31:04 | Zagor | nice |
| 14:31:08 | Zagor | verb |
| 14:31:21 | LinusN | "playing petanque under the olive trees" |
| 14:31:26 | Zagor | haha |
| 14:31:38 | [IDC]Dragon | nice company |
| 14:31:54 | elinenbe | my favorite commit |
| 14:32:02 | elinenbe | was Hardeep's one! |
| 14:32:56 | [IDC]Dragon | uski's parents have a nice house down there, for vacation rental |
| 14:33:29 | LinusN | my parents live in france |
| 14:34:02 | kurzhaarrocker | France? That's old europe, isn't it? :) |
| 14:34:49 | Zagor | there's a newer version? |
| 14:35:00 | kurzhaarrocker | lol |
| 14:35:05 | Zagor | http://www.rockbox.org/download/index2.html |
| 14:35:08 | Zagor | go/no go? |
| 14:35:42 | LinusN | how about languages? |
| 14:35:56 | Zagor | crappo, forgot those. yeah, we want them. |
| 14:35:57 | kurzhaarrocker | there's a download link |
| 14:36:24 | Zagor | kurzhaarrocker: yeah but we got a few patches that we want in the .zips |
| 14:36:38 | kurzhaarrocker | ok |
| 14:40:07 | kurzhaarrocker | hm. There's doku for the spliteditor in the wiki but not in the manual. How do I get it in? |
| 14:41:37 | Zagor | talk to christi |
| 14:43:11 | [IDC]Dragon | do you want to state the recording problem as a known bug? |
| 14:43:57 | Zagor | well we don't even know what the problem is. paul is now hiting at the pause function, which turns all our previous theories on their heads |
| 14:44:07 | Zagor | hinting |
| 14:45:05 | [IDC]Dragon | what's the problem with the Windows installer for Ondio? |
| 14:45:20 | Zagor | it simply hasn't been done |
| 14:45:36 | * | [IDC]Dragon never looked into it |
| 14:45:36 | Zagor | and the script is not so obvious that I want to wing it |
| 14:46:08 | [IDC]Dragon | is the stuff in cvs? could I reproduce it? |
| 14:46:35 | Zagor | not yet |
| 14:47:16 | kurzhaarrocker | I wonder wether the table with download targets should feature 2 rows. That single row is a bit long. |
| 14:47:42 | Zagor | really? it's <800 px on my screen |
| 14:47:54 | [IDC]Dragon | and the captions are jumping up and down |
| 14:47:54 | Zagor | the daily page is wider |
| 14:48:46 | [IDC]Dragon | I need 1211 py to fully see it |
| 14:48:54 | * | kurzhaarrocker too |
| 14:49:00 | [IDC]Dragon | s/py/pixels |
| 14:49:13 | Zagor | which browser is that? |
| 14:49:20 | kurzhaarrocker | Netscape |
| 14:49:28 | midk | i use firefox, it's really wide |
| 14:50:13 | [IDC]Dragon | firefox here, precisely 1216 pixels before the scrollbar goes away |
| 14:50:28 | Zagor | oh, crappy mozilla doesn't wrap links :( |
| 14:50:48 | Zagor | mozilla and ie does. oh, well i'll break it in two rows |
| 14:51:05 | kurzhaarrocker | With ie I can squeeze it small but at the expense of wrapped links. |
| 14:51:09 | Zagor | opera and ie, i mean |
| 14:51:14 | [IDC]Dragon | seems to be a firefox problem |
| 14:51:24 | kurzhaarrocker | and Netscape |
| 14:51:29 | Zagor | i.e. mozilla |
| 14:52:07 | [IDC]Dragon | with 725 pixel it's enough for IE |
| 14:53:11 | [IDC]Dragon | mozilly doesn't wrap links, so they spawn it |
| 14:53:46 | * | kurzhaarrocker fetches a chainsaw for chopping links |
| 14:54:23 | amiconn | Talking about the download page, i.e. http://www.rockbox.org/download/ ? It's ~880 px window width for me, with Mozilla |
| 14:54:23 | kurzhaarrocker | ah, 2 rows are much better :) |
| 14:54:41 | Zagor | amiconn: append index2.html |
| 14:55:30 | amiconn | Okay... 2 rows already |
| 14:58:11 | elinenbe | LinusN: are you going to build grayscale into the drive? |
| 14:58:16 | elinenbe | LinusN: are you going to build grayscale into the LCD driver? |
| 14:58:31 | LinusN | yes, eventually |
| 14:59:10 | LinusN | but we'll use monochrome for now, as the rest of rockbox isn't grayscale anyway |
| 14:59:30 | elinenbe | fabulous.... what number of shades does the iriver have? |
| 14:59:42 | Zagor | elinenbe: now is your chance to show off your mad icon drawing skillz |
| 14:59:56 | LinusN | elinenbe: 4 |
| 15:00 |
| 15:00:16 | LinusN | or rather white, black and 2 shades of gray between |
| 15:00:32 | elinenbe | that opens a lot of possibilities though... |
| 15:01:11 | elinenbe | and if [IDC]Dragon and amiconn get around to writing a grayscale routine for that then I would expect 65thousand colors possible? :) |
| 15:01:19 | LinusN | fading peak meters... |
| 15:01:25 | kurzhaarrocker | argh |
| 15:01:52 | LinusN | fireworks |
| 15:01:55 | dwihno | antialised fonts!!! :) |
| 15:01:59 | * | dwihno waits for the boo:ing |
| 15:02:06 | kurzhaarrocker | Well, I expect that we don't have to poll for peaks |
| 15:02:10 | LinusN | /kick dwihno |
| 15:02:23 | dwihno | /love @ all :) |
| 15:02:39 | LinusN | kurzhaarrocker: no, we have to calculate the sound energy ourselves from the wav output |
| 15:03:29 | Bagder | multicolor fonts will be cool |
| 15:03:30 | kurzhaarrocker | ... which could be the perfect plugin point for recording triggers :) |
| 15:04:02 | Zagor | bpm calculation opens fun new possibilities |
| 15:04:39 | kurzhaarrocker | oh no, please not another zillion sound controlled screen savers. |
| 15:04:55 | Bagder | hehe |
| 15:05:01 | Bagder | useless stuff is the best! |
| 15:05:06 | Zagor | how about automatic beat mixing? |
| 15:05:39 | kurzhaarrocker | Zagor: you should store the bpms in the db right away :) |
| 15:05:53 | Zagor | of course just pulsing the backlight in beat to the music is fun too |
| 15:06:08 | Zagor | kurzhaarrocker: :) |
| 15:06:31 | Zagor | LinusN: those were all the language update, right? |
| 15:06:39 | LinusN | i think so |
| 15:06:41 | kurzhaarrocker | Before we make rockbox a light show we should think about an epilepsie disclaimer. |
| 15:07:06 | LinusN | how many languages are incomplete? |
| 15:07:29 | Zagor | most |
| 15:07:34 | LinusN | :-( |
| 15:08:02 | Zagor | maybe we should add a matrix to the web site showing this, it could encourage more contributions |
| 15:08:03 | Bagder | we should make a script that shows language "completeness" |
| 15:08:08 | Bagder | hah |
| 15:08:13 | Zagor | :) |
| 15:08:16 | Bagder | I said it first! |
| 15:08:22 | Zagor | not in my window :) |
| 15:09:57 | Zagor | ok, release updated. anyone opposing a go? |
| 15:10:14 | Bagder | linus just added a name to the credits |
| 15:10:27 | kurzhaarrocker | no |
| 15:10:27 | * | kurzhaarrocker cries silently: no triggered recording yet |
| 15:10:55 | [IDC]Dragon | save it for 2.4, in a week or two |
| 15:11:03 | kurzhaarrocker | :) |
| 15:11:03 | [IDC]Dragon | ;-) |
| 15:11:08 | Zagor | two months |
| 15:12:17 | Zagor | Bagder: i'm adding him to the release notes, but i don't want to rebuild all the targets :( |
| 15:12:28 | kurzhaarrocker | In two months will be xmas and the 1st anniversary of the trigger code |
| 15:12:37 | LinusN | Zagor: you're lazy |
| 15:18:13 | LinusN | i think having your name in the firmware is a nice ego boost, so Jiri will probably thank you for recompiling the release |
| 15:19:10 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe it doesn't fit Rombox any more then... |
| 15:19:18 | Zagor | :) |
| 15:19:40 | Zagor | I'll just have to make a release-compilation script |
| 15:20:16 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:24:01 | [IDC]Dragon | with a cron job, set to 2 month |
| 15:24:09 | kurzhaarrocker | lol |
| 15:24:17 | Zagor | hehe |
| 15:24:42 | [IDC]Dragon | so we can enjoy x mas vacation while Rockbox is auto-released |
| 15:25:21 | kurzhaarrocker | another cron job has to anounce feature freeze and lock the cvs then. |
| 15:25:29 | Bagder | I'll setup the fix-bugs cron job too, so that we don't have to do that manually |
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| 15:25:57 | [IDC]Dragon | and an IRC job |
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| 15:26:07 | iRiverman | hi |
| 15:26:47 | Bagder | hi |
| 15:29:54 | dwihno | hello, iRiverman |
| 15:31:39 | iRiverman | hi |
| 15:31:48 | iRiverman | i read the lcd driver is working on the iriver now |
| 15:32:11 | Bagder | there's even photographic proof |
| 15:32:22 | iRiverman | yea i saw |
| 15:32:26 | iRiverman | has the rockbox logo on it |
| 15:32:33 | iRiverman | there is one thing im concered about |
| 15:32:44 | G_ | damn, that is pretty god damn fast |
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| 15:33:03 | iRiverman | how would u get back to iriver firmware if rockbox crashed? |
| 15:33:15 | iRiverman | since the iriver is software-driven? |
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| 15:33:23 | LinusN | iRiverman: this is the plan: |
| 15:33:28 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:33:37 | Zagor | haha |
| 15:33:41 | thegeek | read the wiki;) |
| 15:33:47 | Bagder | how would u get back to #rockbox if your client crashed? ;-) |
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| 15:34:01 | iriverman | sorry about that |
| 15:34:05 | LinusN | iRiverman: this is the plan: |
| 15:34:11 | iriverman | oh yea? |
| 15:34:23 | LinusN | the first step is to develop a boot loader |
| 15:34:27 | iriverman | all i want is improved playlist handling |
| 15:34:47 | LinusN | this loader is then put in flash together with the original firmware |
| 15:35:14 | iriverman | oh right |
| 15:35:21 | iriverman | so its just a case of selecting an option? |
| 15:35:44 | LinusN | when the player is powered on, the boot loader checks for a button, let's say the joystick |
| 15:35:44 | kurzhaarrocker | rockbox won't patch the original firmware of the iriver, it'll be a replacement |
| 15:36:00 | LinusN | if the joystick is held during startup, the original firmware is run |
| 15:36:10 | LinusN | else rockbox is loaded from disk and run |
| 15:36:11 | iriverman | oh right i see |
| 15:36:21 | iriverman | im looking forward to see rockbox run on the iriver |
| 15:36:39 | [IDC]Dragon | sigh |
| 15:36:40 | iriverman | does the 110, 120 and 140 all have the same hardware? |
| 15:36:51 | Zagor | apart from the memory size, yes |
| 15:36:54 | LinusN | i know that the 100 is different |
| 15:37:10 | iriverman | im glad i didn't buy an ipod |
| 15:37:15 | LinusN | but the 120 and 140 should be very similar |
| 15:37:18 | iriverman | yea |
| 15:37:23 | iriverman | just different colours and HD capacity |
| 15:37:42 | thegeek | and slightly different casing;) |
| 15:37:44 | iriverman | :) |
| 15:37:55 | iriverman | i wish there was a docking station for the iriver |
| 15:38:17 | thegeek | you could build one |
| 15:38:19 | iriverman | i suppose u could make ur own with the USB plug in the correct place |
| 15:38:24 | thegeek | like the misticriver forum guys |
| 15:38:30 | thegeek | ;) |
| 15:38:33 | iriverman | yea thats what i meant, the only thing it couldn't do is charge like the ipod's dock |
| 15:39:23 | iriverman | unless u build a dock with the usb and charger plugs in the right place |
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| 15:40:43 | iriverman | I just wondered if the iriver could do timestretching? |
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| 15:42:52 | [IDC]Dragon | iriverman: stop asking in stone-age like "when will my car have air conditioning?" |
| 15:43:49 | iriverman | pardon? |
| 15:43:54 | iriverman | was just a simple question |
| 15:44:06 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, but ages too early |
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| 15:44:52 | Zagor | there, a nice build-release script. |
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| 15:44:54 | * | Zagor annouces 2.3 |
| 15:44:54 | LinusN | kurzhaarrocker: no, it doesn't make me code faster :-) |
| 15:44:54 | LinusN | and nobody throws working jukeboxes at me, only broken ones :-( |
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| 15:45:40 | * | Zagor almost forgot to tag |
| 15:45:46 | LinusN | wooo |
| 15:49:16 | * | LinusN spots a "v2_3" tag in CVS |
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| 16:05:23 | amiconn | Zagor: Where's the windows installer script? I could take a look at it... |
| 16:05:46 | [IDC]Dragon | I was asking that, too ;-) |
| 16:06:15 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor is beyond out current split |
| 16:06:24 | [IDC]Dragon | our |
| 16:06:41 | amiconn | I wonder why freenode does split that often... |
| 16:07:45 | [IDC]Dragon | I have no clue, TCP/IP works for other applications |
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| 16:09:13 | kurzhaarrocker | btw: what happened to the T-Shirt contest? :) |
| 16:10:13 | amiconn | Zagor: Got my question? (freenode is instable once more, grr) |
| 16:10:33 | Zagor | no I missed it |
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| 16:13:08 | amiconn | 16:05:12] <amiconn> Zagor: Where's the windows installer script? I could take a look at it... |
| 16:13:29 | Zagor | i'll publish it, hang on |
| 16:16:55 | [IDC]Dragon | iirc, the Windows installer could have a potential problem with the plugins |
| 16:17:27 | Zagor | why? |
| 16:17:28 | [IDC]Dragon | I remember Christi was stunbling over the flash plugins, which vary per platform. |
| 16:17:59 | Zagor | other plugins do too |
| 16:18:05 | [IDC]Dragon | I don't know if she made special cases for those now, or systematically checks them all |
| 16:18:18 | amiconn | Iirc Christi fixed that. That solutions should work for the others too |
| 16:18:57 | [IDC]Dragon | ok, because the Ondio plugins are all ninary different |
| 16:19:24 | [IDC]Dragon | binary different, from the recorder counterparts |
| 16:20:56 | Zagor | http://bjorn.haxx.se/innosetup.zip |
| 16:21:16 | Zagor | i'm not 100% sure that's all you need though |
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| 16:42:30 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: looks like the script is not for us Windows lamers |
| 16:43:15 | [IDC]Dragon | but it does look relatively easy to extend, see "src\build_installer" |
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| 18:05:15 | MoGle3 | you guys still need broken iriver? cos theres one in the post to you |
| 18:05:32 | MoGle3 | expect it next week |
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| 19:43:59 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: r u there? |
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| 20:02:58 | amiconn | yup |
| 20:05:07 | [IDC]Dragon | my Ondio is a nasty powersucker |
| 20:05:39 | amiconn | It is? |
| 20:05:41 | [IDC]Dragon | now I know why it gets warm |
| 20:05:49 | [IDC]Dragon | takes ~250 mA |
| 20:06:43 | amiconn | Wow! At what voltage? This is 2..3 times as much as mine |
| 20:06:53 | [IDC]Dragon | at 4.6V |
| 20:07:14 | amiconn | And it goes up further when you reduce the voltage? |
| 20:07:29 | [IDC]Dragon | I think Archos has a QA problem with the DC/DC converter |
| 20:07:38 | [IDC]Dragon | testing... |
| 20:08:18 | amiconn | I observed the typical behaviour of a switching converter with constant load - U * I ~ const |
| 20:08:31 | [IDC]Dragon | no, stays constant |
| 20:08:55 | amiconn | Strange. |
| 20:09:07 | [IDC]Dragon | should normally go higher, since it sucks constant power |
| 20:09:46 | [IDC]Dragon | can you do me a favour and hook up yours open, to check some signals per scope? |
| 20:09:49 | amiconn | Maybe the oscillator does not oscillate, so it works somewhat like a linear regulator? |
| 20:10:18 | [IDC]Dragon | I see oscillations at the coil, but no more than that |
| 20:10:39 | amiconn | Or even worse, it only serves as a series resistor for some (hopefully) voltage limiting circuit? |
| 20:10:54 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 20:11:06 | amiconn | Sure I can try to check. |
| 20:11:28 | amiconn | Seems you have got the same problem as Toni |
| 20:11:50 | [IDC]Dragon | not that bad, but similar |
| 20:12:01 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe we can find a fix |
| 20:12:30 | [IDC]Dragon | the large minimelf diode seems to carry no current |
| 20:13:05 | [IDC]Dragon | because I only measure DC across it, higher than the forward voltage |
| 20:13:26 | amiconn | The beast is now open. |
| 20:14:18 | [IDC]Dragon | I already soldered a capacitor across the supply, at the board, to rule out the DC/DC doesn't like long inductive supply cables |
| 20:15:00 | amiconn | I always ran my box from batteries, except for the power measurements. I used no capacitor for this. |
| 20:15:31 | * | [IDC]Dragon prints the datasheet |
| 20:17:44 | [IDC]Dragon | no, I rather leave it open on screen |
| 20:19:08 | amiconn | I can measure a square wave of around 500 kHz at the top end of the coil, with significant harmonics. peak-peak voltage around 6 V |
| 20:20:21 | [IDC]Dragon | top end? towards the screen? |
| 20:20:32 | [IDC]Dragon | I measure a calm 3 V there, no AC |
| 20:20:51 | [IDC]Dragon | the bottom end oscillates |
| 20:20:56 | amiconn | Yes, towards the screen |
| 20:21:45 | [IDC]Dragon | and the bottom pin? |
| 20:22:18 | amiconn | Lower end is dc only |
| 20:23:31 | amiconn | Not pure dc, actually there is the 500 kHz too, but very faint, with ~30 mV p-p, sawtooth shaped |
| 20:23:50 | [IDC]Dragon | quite the opposite here |
| 20:24:17 | [IDC]Dragon | I measure 2.6V DC at the top, with a faint ripple |
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| 20:25:49 | amiconn | DC value is 3.25 V at both ends |
| 20:27:59 | [IDC]Dragon | the lower end is a square wave, maybe 600 kHz, more high than low, PWM depending on input voltage |
| 20:28:16 | [IDC]Dragon | high level about 3.3 V |
| 20:28:40 | [IDC]Dragon | what do you get at the diode? |
| 20:28:58 | amiconn | Upper end of coil (to screen): lower level of square wave is ~ -1 V, upper level ~ + 5 V, duty cycle is ~75 % (no varying input voltage) |
| 20:30:36 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, I just noticed I get AC on the upper end, too, if input voltage is high enough |
| 20:31:12 | amiconn | Diode: kathode has DC ~4.3 V, faint 500 kHz ripple ( ~40 mV p-p, half-sine shaped) |
| 20:32:20 | [IDC]Dragon | if supply is >4.6V, the lower coil pin is DC (high), and the upper shows pulses |
| 20:32:24 | amiconn | Anode has 0 V, with a unmeasurably low ripple |
| 20:33:04 | [IDC]Dragon | same here |
| 20:33:29 | [IDC]Dragon | the diode is insulating all the time, not used for the converter |
| 20:33:43 | amiconn | Seems so. |
| 20:34:22 | [IDC]Dragon | can you vary the input, to see if you also get such effect? |
| 20:35:13 | amiconn | Hmm, I can try. I'm a bit short of space on my table; have to fit both the scope and the ps... |
| 20:35:49 | Thor_vom_Hammer | you need a digital scope.. its smaller.. :-) |
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| 20:36:18 | amiconn | Domonoky: my scope *is* relatively small... |
| 20:37:09 | Domonoky | so you need a bigger table.. *joking*.. :-) |
| 20:37:24 | [IDC]Dragon | my g/f is coming home any minute, I may have to continue later |
| 20:40:50 | [IDC]Dragon | bbl |
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| 22:26:27 | Plugh | congrats on the release |
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| 22:54:40 | amiconn | hi again... |
| 22:54:49 | [IDC]Dragon | hello |
| 22:55:11 | [IDC]Dragon | I was busy with other things meanwhile |
| 22:55:22 | [IDC]Dragon | just catching up again |
| 22:56:09 | amiconn | I did some more detailed measurements meanwhile, and hacked together a little table: amiconn.dyndns.org/OndioPower.html">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/OndioPower.html |
| 22:56:39 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, very nice! |
| 22:57:08 | amiconn | The behaviour is obvious when you read the data sheet, as the LT3440 is a combined buck/boost converter |
| 22:57:29 | [IDC]Dragon | I just saw from the datasheet that it's a buck/boost converter |
| 22:57:40 | [IDC]Dragon | so we see a crossover point |
| 22:58:04 | [IDC]Dragon | the switching looks perfect here, very steep edges |
| 22:58:06 | amiconn | It also features synchronous rectification, so no diodes required for operation |
| 22:58:22 | [IDC]Dragon | so I wonder why the chip dissipates so much power |
| 22:58:47 | [IDC]Dragon | (the chip irself gets warm) |
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| 23:00:38 | amiconn | It shouldn't, at least not significantly. There are only switching parts in it. |
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| 23:01:36 | iRiverman | hiya |
| 23:03:34 | iRiverman | What is everyones view on the iriver joystick? |
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| 23:05:47 | teejay | Hello? |
| 23:05:47 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: When I try to check with my finger whether the chip gets warm, the unit switches off... |
| 23:06:24 | [IDC]Dragon | don't touch pin 9, that's the sensitive feedback |
| 23:06:33 | [IDC]Dragon | happens here, too |
| 23:06:50 | [IDC]Dragon | before, I see strange effects in the display |
| 23:06:52 | teejay | This may be the wrong forum for this, but I have a studio 20 and was wondering if a direct HD switchout to a bigger one will work? |
| 23:07:12 | [IDC]Dragon | teejay: yes, it will |
| 23:07:28 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Yes, the display either fades, or gets black where it should be clear |
| 23:07:42 | teejay | Great. I appreciate your help. |
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| 23:09:29 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: My regulator chip doesn't get significantly warm. Perhaps I could check some more signals? |
| 23:14:21 | [IDC]Dragon | I don't know what else may be interesting |
| 23:14:32 | [IDC]Dragon | the coil is the most important |
| 23:14:58 | [IDC]Dragon | I see about the same patterns as in your table |
| 23:15:27 | amiconn | The most visible harmonics have a frequency of around 16 MHz |
| 23:15:33 | [IDC]Dragon | I can only imagine that at some time the H-bridge shorts + and - |
| 23:16:00 | amiconn | That seems to be the self resonance of the coil |
| 23:16:12 | [IDC]Dragon | an check for a supply ripple that may go in sync |
| 23:16:14 | [IDC]Dragon | can |
| 23:16:48 | amiconn | I already though of the H bridge problem. That'd mean the chip itself is broken. |
| 23:19:22 | * | amiconn will, check, with ~1 ohm in series and the scope across that |
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| 23:22:37 | amiconn | 450 kHz ripple is <10 mA p-p |
| 23:22:59 | [IDC]Dragon | at your resistor? |
| 23:23:53 | amiconn | Across the resistor it's < 10 mV p-p, the resistor is 0.9 ohm (2x 1.8 ohm in parallel) |
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| 23:26:02 | * | [IDC]Dragon has to remove the capacitor |
| 23:26:10 | amiconn | However, there are are low-frequent peaks, around 125 Hz, which are 60 mA p-p (short bursts) |
| 23:26:23 | amiconn | I did not remove any part |
| 23:26:41 | [IDC]Dragon | there's more capacitors on the board, so we may see only filtered remains of power ripple |
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| 23:26:56 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: yes of course. |
| 23:27:21 | amiconn | I suspect the low frequent peaks come from the timer tick waking up the cpu from sleep |
| 23:27:40 | [IDC]Dragon | I have to remove the cap which I added, that's what I meant |
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| 23:27:58 | amiconn | ah. |
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| 23:29:17 | amiconn | Btw: These large peaks suggest that the power savings with rockbox really result from utilizing the sleep mode |
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| 23:34:14 | [IDC]Dragon | I see the 10 ms peaks, too |
| 23:34:40 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe 80 mV high |
| 23:35:38 | amiconn | I tried to measure too. Average current is ~60 mA, with the peaks going up to 100 (and briefly down to 40). That is @ 3.9 V |
| 23:36:37 | [IDC]Dragon | I have a ~50 mV noise floor |
| 23:37:16 | amiconn | When you procedd from the resume? request to the file browser, there are additional current peaks, at ~half second intervals. |
| 23:38:24 | [IDC]Dragon | interesting: I now trigger on the coil, with the other channel |
| 23:38:47 | [IDC]Dragon | and see pretty steep current peaks I didn't see before |
| 23:39:11 | [IDC]Dragon | (probably it wasn't triggering on such short spikes) |
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| 23:41:08 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: That is while measuring current? How high are those current spikes? |
| 23:41:26 | amiconn | And: What frequency range? |
| 23:41:44 | [IDC]Dragon | 200 mV, at each edge of the coil pulse |
| 23:42:12 | [IDC]Dragon | (now really stretching the 60 MHz scope) |
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| 23:43:05 | [IDC]Dragon | not really a pulse, but a ringing that lasts ~50 ns |
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| 23:47:48 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: The current waveform does indeed look funny. Of course your should be able to see that much better than me, with my simple scope. |
| 23:49:33 | [IDC]Dragon | do you see it, too? |
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| 23:51:36 | amiconn | Grr, T-Offline |
| 23:51:55 | [IDC]Dragon | <[IDC]Dragon> do you see it, too? |
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| 23:53:15 | amiconn | Seems so, just tried to take a photo. Tricky while holding the trigger signal contact... |
| 23:53:52 | [IDC]Dragon | good idea |
| 23:55:47 | amiconn | 10 ms peaks: amiconn.dyndns.org/CurrentPeaks.jpg">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/CurrentPeaks.jpg Current waveform (blurry) http://amiconn.dyndns.org/CurrentWaveform.jpg |
| 23:58:28 | [IDC]Dragon | hmm |
| 23:58:59 | amiconn | hmm? |
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