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08:57:53 | midk | \o/! |
08:57:55 | midk | SITE WORKS AGAIN! |
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10:37:47 | [IDC]Dragon | yay, rockbox.haxx returned from france! |
10:40:50 | * | Bagder_ sneaks in through the back door |
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10:41:51 | [IDC]Dragon | hi Bagder, tell us what happened |
10:42:13 | Bagder | on the site? |
10:42:26 | [IDC]Dragon | or in france ;-) |
10:42:35 | Bagder | :-) |
10:42:48 | Bagder | site: bad scsi disk causing kernel panic, machine hung for days |
10:43:00 | [IDC]Dragon | who took the server with him? |
10:43:13 | [IDC]Dragon | or, needed a power cord for the shaver |
10:43:53 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, I suspected that disk, and rumoured so in the forums |
10:43:55 | Bagder | france: we never got time to meet Nicolas Touillaud who replied to our call and lives in the area |
10:44:32 | Bagder | that disk is what we planned to replace on wednesday, but due to real life, we will postpone and replace next week instead |
10:45:27 | [IDC]Dragon | if your IRC client was up all the time, you can use that to patch the log |
10:46:01 | * | Bagder checks |
10:46:09 | Bagder | no, logging was not enabled |
10:46:29 | [IDC]Dragon | nor scrolling? ;-) |
10:46:48 | Bagder | scroll yes, but not that many days |
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10:53:09 | Zagor | hi all |
10:53:17 | Bagder | morning |
10:54:55 | [IDC]Dragon | hi there |
10:55:30 | Bagder | Zagor: try "gdeskcal" on your gnome box at home |
10:55:49 | Bagder | really nice little transparant calendar for the root bg |
10:55:58 | Zagor | neato |
10:58:23 | [IDC]Dragon | ops, you may revert the channel subject |
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11:08:51 | Topic | "Rockbox 2.3 is released" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
11:09:16 | Mode | "#rockbox -o Zagor " by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
11:17:05 | [IDC]Dragon | better |
11:18:27 | * | Zagor sets /proc/sys/kernel/panic to >0 |
11:25:47 | Bagder | Rocbox, Rockbox and RockBOX are all names of hardware based mp3 players |
11:27:33 | Bagder | it would be amusing if we ever ported rockbox to one of those ;-) |
11:28:23 | Zagor | :) |
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12:53:45 | Christi-S | Morning everyone. |
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12:57:34 | Cassandra | I hate my net connection. Let me try that again. |
12:57:36 | Cassandra | Anyone know where I can get simulator builds of 2.3 for doing screenshots from? |
12:57:59 | [IDC]Dragon | hi Christie |
12:58:04 | Cassandra | Heya |
12:58:07 | [IDC]Dragon | you can't compile them? |
12:58:22 | Cassandra | Well I *could*, if I knew where the 2.3 source was. |
12:58:24 | [IDC]Dragon | (lunch time any minute) |
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12:58:39 | LinusN | Cassandra: on the download page |
12:58:59 | Cassandra | Ah, of course. Don't mind me, I'm having a bad month. |
12:59:00 | LinusN | is this for Player screenshots? |
12:59:05 | * | Cassandra nods. |
12:59:14 | Cassandra | I think there's a couple of new plugins. |
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12:59:44 | [IDC]Dragon | Christie: amiconn extended your installer, to support the Ondio |
12:59:44 | LinusN | Cassandra: lots of plugins have screenshots in wiki |
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13:00:28 | Cassandra | He said he was doing that. I'm glad. Shouldn't have been too hard. |
13:02:10 | [IDC]Dragon | the plugins are all different for the Ondio, because of the key map |
13:03:01 | Cassandra | Yeah, but the code already supports different plugins across architectures. Just a matter of extending the current structure. |
13:03:02 | [IDC]Dragon | plus he had a quirk with having the fonts twice, but I don't know why |
13:03:28 | Cassandra | That is weird. |
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13:05:35 | * | Cassandra blinks. That's a really bad case of multiple personalities I have there. |
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13:56:53 | studio20 | i'll be off now...again - thank you! |
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14:38:31 | amiconn | Zagor: My installer extension for Ondio is done. As it was a bit boring without cvs, wiki etc. the whole weekend, I did 2 other improvements to it: |
14:39:29 | amiconn | (1) The installer now supports multiple installation languages. Currently there are English and German. |
14:40:16 | amiconn | (2) There is a nice multi-box picture with rockbox logo on the installer welcome page. |
14:42:57 | Zagor | sounds great |
14:43:43 | amiconn | You can try my build: http://arnold-j.bei.t-online.de/Rockbox/rockbox-20041028-install.exe |
14:44:13 | amiconn | I'll send you my modified files. All of them go into the "src" sub-dir |
14:44:34 | amiconn | However, feature (2) adds ~26 KB to the final installer size |
14:45:33 | Zagor | that's fine |
14:47:29 | amiconn | Adding a language requires 2 things: (a) Translate some strings in the innosetup script (that's easy). (b) Have a complete translation for the innosetup builtin strings. There's no swedish version yet... |
14:47:53 | * | Zagor pokes matsl :) |
14:49:50 | amiconn | Innosetup itself supports English, Catalan, Czech, Dutch, french, German, Norwegian, Polish, Portuguese, Russian and Slovenian. The translations themselves are ascii files, and there is already a Swedish translation for a somewhat earlier version available. |
14:51:14 | amiconn | Shouldn't bee too many additional strings to brind this up to current innosetup... |
14:51:22 | amiconn | s/brind/bring/ |
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15:27:20 | amiconn | Zagor: http://arnold-j.bei.t-online.de/Rockbox/innosetup-new-files.zip All files go into the /src directory. The update-xxx scripts are untested, but the changes therein are trivial. build-installer is tested on cygwin, rockbox.iss on Windows. |
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17:04:58 | Christi-S | Hello again. |
17:05:13 | Christi-S | [IDC]Dragon - are you here? |
17:05:22 | [IDC]Dragon | hello, yes |
17:05:35 | [IDC]Dragon | (just by chance) |
17:06:03 | Christi-S | I just sent a mail about bizarre behaviour of ROMbox 2.3 to the list. Thought I'd come on here in case you had any questions. |
17:06:19 | * | [IDC]Dragon looks |
17:06:28 | Christi-S | The executive summary is: it's not working on my downflashed FM. |
17:06:51 | [IDC]Dragon | it worked on mine... |
17:07:26 | [IDC]Dragon | still opening the email... |
17:07:30 | * | Christi-S nods. Tried flashing it twice to make sure. |
17:08:48 | [IDC]Dragon | internal error, grr |
17:09:16 | Christi-S | Oh dear. Previous ROMboxes worked just fine, although I think I last flashed at the end of August. |
17:09:56 | Christi-S | It's not a huge problem for me, since Rockbox is working, but if I can do anything to help diagnosis, let me know. |
17:16:59 | | Part Zagor |
17:19:08 | [IDC]Dragon | Christi-S: since I have wrecked my FMR a week ago, it may be indeed helpful if you try this and that |
17:19:30 | * | Christi-S nods. Happy to (as long as it doesn't wreck mine. ;) ) |
17:19:41 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe the start address is wrong |
17:19:58 | [IDC]Dragon | mine suffered from a fat battery |
17:20:07 | Christi-S | Oh yes. I saw the pictures. |
17:20:20 | Christi-S | I've been careful about not leaving mine plugged in since then. |
17:20:34 | [IDC]Dragon | extreme pictures, aren't they? |
17:20:49 | Christi-S | *nod* |
17:20:52 | Christi-S | Scary stuff. |
17:21:07 | Christi-S | And all because the Archos engineers can't read. Pfeh. |
17:21:22 | [IDC]Dragon | read what? |
17:21:41 | Christi-S | The documentation for the charging circuit. |
17:21:56 | [IDC]Dragon | not much to read on that |
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17:22:09 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm not sure what caused it |
17:22:39 | [IDC]Dragon | about your posting: |
17:22:42 | Christi-S | You'd have thought, but even I, a non-electronics person could figure out that there's a cut-out circuit supposed to be implemented on the charger. |
17:23:07 | [IDC]Dragon | where did you get a "JBFM Rombox flashed image"? |
17:23:18 | Christi-S | The windows installer. |
17:23:37 | [IDC]Dragon | rombox is too big to build for the FMR |
17:23:57 | [IDC]Dragon | such a file should not exist |
17:24:20 | [IDC]Dragon | or, it builds a tiny dummy |
17:24:35 | Christi-S | Let me try a fake install. |
17:24:43 | [IDC]Dragon | ? |
17:25:09 | Christi-S | install the fm build to my hard drive. See what the rombox it puts there is. |
17:25:18 | [IDC]Dragon | how about taking rombox.ucl from the V2 zip file? |
17:26:23 | Christi-S | It has rombox.ucl 2004/10/26 13:35 176kb |
17:27:07 | Christi-S | Odd - the one on my jb has the same timestamp, but is 175kb. |
17:27:57 | Christi-S | Oh no, it's just Windows reporting different sizes in the mouse over and icon views. |
17:28:06 | Christi-S | Looks like it's the same file. |
17:28:35 | [IDC]Dragon | binary compared? |
17:29:22 | Christi-S | There an easy way to do that on Windows? |
17:29:35 | [IDC]Dragon | fyi, the V2 rombox from the 2.3 release is OK. I have installed that to a genue V2 for somebody, works. |
17:30:23 | [IDC]Dragon | for the FM, the build process refuses |
17:30:56 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: The non-Ondio extended installer also don't contain rombox.ucl. That is a thing I fixed on the way... |
17:30:57 | Christi-S | I just tried again after deleting rombox.ucl and reinstalling the v2 package. |
17:31:07 | Christi-S | Still isn't working. |
17:33:05 | [IDC]Dragon | just downloaded v2.3 vor V2, the rombox.ucl has 184438 bytes, dated 26.10.2004 15:37 |
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17:34:51 | Christi-S | Hmm. I have a feeling that when rombox.ucl was added to the windows installer, the v1 version may have been included in all packages. |
17:34:59 | Christi-S | Let me download the v2 zip and try with that. |
17:35:15 | [IDC]Dragon | sounds good |
17:37:41 | amiconn | Christi-S: There is no rockbox 2.3 windows installer that includes rombox.ucl. That is only available from my homepage so far, containing a 2004-10-28 cvs build. |
17:38:29 | Christi-S | ami - it's definitely installing a rombox.ucl. I just deleted it and the installer re-installed it. |
17:39:05 | Christi-S | But that would explain a lot. |
17:39:08 | amiconn | Hmm. Ah, that's because your script doesn't handle rombox.ucl as special case |
17:39:25 | amiconn | So it includes the rec v1 version for all models - bummer! |
17:39:26 | Christi-S | rombox.ucl didn't exist when I wrote the script, sorry. |
17:39:34 | Christi-S | That's what I thought was happening. |
17:39:53 | amiconn | My new installer handles rombox.ucl correctly, so you can try that one. |
17:41:02 | Christi-S | 'S OK - I'll just take it from the ZIP file. |
17:41:13 | Christi-S | Thanks for your help in tracking it down IDC |
17:41:34 | [IDC]Dragon | first let's see if it works |
17:42:15 | [IDC]Dragon | does somebody know how to ship a JB from europe to the US *economically* ? |
17:42:31 | Christi-S | Looks like it does. |
17:42:55 | Christi-S | UPS would be my best guess, although that won't guarantee it arriving, of course. |
17:43:08 | [IDC]Dragon | UPS wants 80 EUR |
17:43:16 | [IDC]Dragon | FedEx 46 EUR |
17:43:21 | Christi-S | Oh, hold on, from europe. Can't you just use your postal service? |
17:43:31 | [IDC]Dragon | 25 EUR |
17:44:03 | Christi-S | Buffer 1.797 MB - looks like we're rolling. |
17:44:29 | [IDC]Dragon | another reason to update the Windows installer |
17:44:44 | [IDC]Dragon | besides the Ondio |
17:45:30 | * | Christi-S nods. It wasn't really designed to copy with any possible future changes. Adding a file or a plugin is fine, but do something a little more complex and it needs a rewrite. |
17:45:35 | Christi-S | Well, a patch. |
17:46:10 | [IDC]Dragon | have you grabbes amiconn's update? |
17:46:16 | [IDC]Dragon | grabbed |
17:46:29 | Christi-S | Not yet. TBH I'm a bit burned out at the moment. |
17:46:45 | Christi-S | I'm hoping to be able to get the manual done, but that's about as much as I can handle right now. |
17:47:04 | [IDC]Dragon | take your time, np |
17:49:13 | Christi-S | Oh, has double click on stop to shut down gone now? |
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17:59:07 | Cassandra | Only 6 months till we get ADSL. |
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18:07:39 | [IDC]Dragon | Christi-S: double-stop should still work |
18:09:07 | Cassandra | Bugger. I guess that's another bug to report then. :( |
18:09:11 | Cassandra | Why me? |
18:10:10 | [IDC]Dragon | strange. I have used that in a V2 rombox this morning, iirc it works |
18:10:58 | Cassandra | Hmmm. Not for me. Arse. |
18:11:24 | Cassandra | Although if I hold down stop, the shut down code still kicks in. |
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19:08:42 | LinusN | double-stop is not active on the devices that support hold-stop |
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20:02:08 | amiconn | LinusN: Btw, is there a reason why double-OFF is shutdown on the recorder, but double-STOP isn't used for shutdown on the player? |
20:07:43 | LinusN | yes |
20:08:01 | LinusN | STOP is used to exit a directory |
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20:08:23 | LinusN | and you might press stop several times to exit a deep tree |
20:08:27 | kod-kod | hi |
20:08:30 | LinusN | hi |
20:08:39 | kod-kod | does this Rockbox support the Gmini400 ? |
20:08:43 | LinusN | no |
20:08:46 | kod-kod | bah |
20:08:49 | amiconn | LinusN: Ah ok, didn't think of that. Silly me ;-) |
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20:09:13 | kod-kod | LinusN: u have any suggestions on how i can add fonts and change firm's on my gmini400 ? |
20:09:16 | LinusN | amiconn: i didn't either at first, then the player owners started complaining :-) |
20:09:25 | amiconn | ;-) |
20:09:32 | LinusN | kod-kod: nope |
20:09:54 | LinusN | check out the "avos" and "linav" projects, they might have a clue |
20:10:08 | kod-kod | where would i find them ? |
20:10:12 | LinusN | google? |
20:10:17 | kod-kod | i found a "gmemu" project |
20:10:19 | kod-kod | here |
20:10:27 | kod-kod | then i go to u guys :p |
20:10:29 | kod-kod | *got |
20:10:58 | LinusN | yes, gmemu is probably your best shot |
20:11:06 | amiconn | LinusN: Perhaps double-STOP could only shutdown the player when you are in the drive root. So from a deep tree, you'd have to hit stop in quick succession until it finally reaches the root and then shuts down. (Not quite serious ;-) ) |
20:11:24 | kod-kod | aight thanks i'll try |
20:11:39 | LinusN | amiconn: i thought of that too, but as you said, you don't know how many times to press stop... |
20:11:43 | LinusN | kod-kod: good luck |
20:11:51 | kod-kod | thanks |
20:13:26 | amiconn | LinusN: Different topic: Did one of you server-running guys ;-) already fetch my extended installer and gave it a shot under Linux/Wine? |
20:15:45 | LinusN | i haven't had any time to look into that, where is your patch? |
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20:17:19 | amiconn | There is no patch, as the installer is not in cvs either. I uploaded all changed & added files to my home page, zipped. The changed script are small, largest file is new (the nice rockbox graphic for the welcome screen) |
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20:19:48 | LinusN | i'll check it out |
20:19:57 | * | LinusN has go tend to his kids |
20:20:22 | amiconn | LinusN: Maybe Bagder will have to do that, as from the scripts it seems the installer build is running from his home dir... |
20:22:43 | amiconn | LinusN, Bagder: Imho you should also repackage the 2.3 release installer with that, for at least 2 reasons: (1) Ondio support. (2) The bug of the old installer package Christi stumbled upon... |
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21:07:30 | Luthion | May I ask what's happening with Rockbox for iRiver atm? :) |
21:07:39 | Luthion | Just wondering...:P |
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21:10:47 | amiconn | matsl: Feeling like adapting the (now multi-language) windows installer to Swedish? |
21:11:58 | matsl | amiconn, hmm... how much work involved? |
21:12:44 | amiconn | This would require two things: |
21:13:17 | amiconn | (1) Bring the general language file for innosetup up to date. This should not be too much work, because there is already a translation for version 4.2.1. Rockbox installer build uses 4.2.6 |
21:14:33 | amiconn | (2) Translate a total of 7 messages in the installer script. Some of them are partly based on the default strings from the installer language file (same message with either an added sentence of a different word) |
21:15:08 | amiconn | I did this for German, but then I only had to do step (2) |
21:15:40 | matsl | ok. doesn't sound that bad but I know nothing about the installer. Where do I start? |
21:16:37 | LinusN | Luthion: check this page for the iriver status: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort |
21:17:53 | amiconn | matsl: The installer uses Innosetup, an open source (non-GPL) "installer compiler". The language files are plain ascii, with a .ini-File like structure. |
21:19:29 | amiconn | You would have to take the current english language file (default.isl) and compare this with the 4.2.1 swedish.isl to figure out the missing strings, then translate them & add them to swedish.isl |
21:19:51 | matsl | amiconn, ok. and these things are in CVS? |
21:20:47 | amiconn | No, unfortunately they aren't. |
21:21:25 | matsl | ok. where do I find them then? |
21:22:34 | amiconn | The innosetup files are downloadable from their web site (swedish.isl); the current version there is 4.2.7 (but rockbox uses 4.2.6). I could either provide you with default.isl of 4.2.6, or you could do the translation against 4.2.7 (and send it to the innosetup for publication if you wish) |
21:24:06 | amiconn | Then the messages in rockbox.iss need to be translated. You can download that from my home page. Perhaps the rockbox specific installer parts should be added to cvs... |
21:24:31 | amiconn | Innosetup home page: http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php |
21:24:45 | amiconn | Swedish translation of 4.2.1: http://www.jrsoftware.org/files/istrans/Swedish-8/Swedish-8-4.2.1.isl |
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21:25:25 | matsl | ok. i'll have a look at the urls. maybe things get clearer then. |
21:26:00 | amiconn | Rockbox installer script: http://arnold-j.bei.t-online.de/Rockbox/rockbox.iss (just wait a few minutes) |
21:26:48 | Luthion | LinusN: Hmmm, beeping was off (so I didn't notice your reply before now)... Well, thanks for the link! Not to be anoying, but can you tell what's first priority? iRiver or Archos? And about when will the iRiver v. of Rockbox be out (this winter/spring/summer, next atumn/winter/spring?) Again, I don't want to be anoying, but I seriously can't wait ;) |
21:28:12 | Stryke` | Is there a chance of .MPC support? there is an open source decoder |
21:28:41 | Plugh | Archos hardware doesn't exactly support it |
21:28:57 | Plugh | MAS decoder chip can only decode mp3 |
21:29:08 | Stryke` | I know, I meant the iRiver port where its mentioned that they want to support as many formats as possible. |
21:29:58 | Plugh | I couldn't say. I'm an FMR user. heh |
21:31:37 | Stryke` | It would be well received. |
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21:49:35 | matsl | amiconn, a quick look at default.isl and Swedish-8-4.2.1.isl indicates that all strings are translated. |
21:50:11 | amiconn | Yes it seems so. I could haven taken a look earlier. Anyway, this means less work :) |
21:50:43 | matsl | amiconn, so what is left then is the seven strings in rockbox.iss. right? |
21:50:44 | amiconn | I can try to add swedish.isl, then build the installer |
21:51:13 | amiconn | matsl: Yes, and some of them are only extended/ slightly changed versions of what is in swedish.isl |
21:52:25 | matsl | ok. i can't do it right away. some other things need fixing. maybe later tonight. |
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21:54:51 | amiconn | matsl: Installer builds ok with swedish.isl as-is :) |
21:55:04 | matsl | amiconn, fine |
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22:02:51 | LinusN | Luthion: we have no release date, we can't plan anything since we do this on our spare time, and that is a scarce resource |
22:03:07 | Luthion | i see:) |
22:03:19 | LinusN | there is no priority |
22:03:29 | Luthion | ok |
22:03:50 | LinusN | most of my rockbox work is on the iriver nowadays |
22:04:16 | Luthion | that's good;) |
22:04:21 | LinusN | but on the other hand, i don't have much time nowadays... |
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