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| 09:38:27 | LinusN | hi kurzhaarrocker |
| 09:38:39 | LinusN | i had no problem making it blink faster |
| 09:38:40 | kurzhaarrocker | Hi LinusN :D |
| 09:38:58 | kurzhaarrocker | Using the bitmask for the current_tick? |
| 09:39:18 | LinusN | i just modified peakmeter_blabla_btn() |
| 09:39:42 | kurzhaarrocker | ups, was it a performance eater? |
| 09:40:01 | LinusN | no, but it didn't return until after HZ/5 |
| 09:40:12 | kurzhaarrocker | Ah, yes. |
| 09:40:14 | LinusN | next_big_refresh |
| 09:40:22 | LinusN | i want to do two things: |
| 09:40:31 | LinusN | 1) Kill the "performance" setting |
| 09:40:45 | LinusN | 2) Make next_big_timeout an argument to the _btn() function |
| 09:41:40 | LinusN | for the sake of argument, i couldn't see any difference in power consumption with the performance setting |
| 09:41:46 | kurzhaarrocker | You're welcome. I won't have time the next two weekends -> It's unlikely that I will fix that. |
| 09:41:58 | LinusN | i'll do it |
| 09:42:02 | kurzhaarrocker | :) |
| 09:42:39 | LinusN | the plasma plugin has priority though |
| 09:42:44 | LinusN | (just kidding) |
| 09:42:49 | kurzhaarrocker | :) |
| 09:44:42 | kurzhaarrocker | What about the traffic lights? You said something about a status bar in the bottom of the recording screen. Do you think we could place it there horizontally? Maybe we could leave out the frame so that the 'lights' become bigger. |
| 09:45:46 | LinusN | i've been thinking about using the line right below the peak meter |
| 09:46:06 | LinusN | and some clear visual indications of what's going on |
| 09:46:37 | LinusN | along with the LED of course |
| 09:46:59 | kurzhaarrocker | Apart from the trigger status - what else would you want to display there? |
| 09:47:30 | LinusN | maybe things like "Press PLAY to start" |
| 09:47:55 | LinusN | and the requested "Are you sure?" when stopping |
| 09:48:14 | kurzhaarrocker | Do you intend to replace the traffic lights by text output? |
| 09:48:29 | LinusN | "visual indications" |
| 09:48:35 | LinusN | could be anything |
| 09:49:53 | LinusN | i haven't really thought about how it could look |
| 09:50:16 | kurzhaarrocker | There's one thing I'm slightly concerned about: while the trigger status display in the recording screen is mere info you really _need_ it in the trigger settings screen. -> Whatever the trigger status display becomes, it must fit into the trigger settings screen too. |
| 09:51:56 | LinusN | which brings me to another question: why is "prerecording time" set in that screen? |
| 09:52:52 | kurzhaarrocker | Yes, strictly speaking it isn't a parameter of the trigger. But for real life uses it is so closely related to the trigger start time that I'd really like to avoid to force the user to change the settings screen for that. |
| 09:53:53 | LinusN | slightly confusing for the user to have the same setting in two places, don't you think? |
| 09:54:23 | LinusN | btw, what is the traffic light doing in that screen? |
| 09:55:03 | LinusN | ah, now i see |
| 09:55:16 | kurzhaarrocker | Well - yes, maybe. But I think it's more confusing if the user adjusts a long trigger start time and afterwards asks "why haven't the first n secons been recorded?" because he didn't notice he had a very short prerecording time. |
| 09:56:14 | LinusN | in real life, do you set a shorter prerecord time than the trigger time? |
| 09:57:42 | kurzhaarrocker | I don't but othes might. Who knows. But you sometimes want to specifiy the time that is recorded _before_ the trigger. |
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| 10:01:17 | kurzhaarrocker | The traffic light in the settings screen are more imporant than in the recording screen. Here you can see what the adjustments of your parameters do with your trigger. It suprised myself how much easier it became to adjust the timings when you have feedback on the trigger behaviour. |
| 10:01:35 | LinusN | indeed |
| 10:01:57 | kurzhaarrocker | For long trigger times I even included a trigger reset (F2) |
| 10:03:02 | kurzhaarrocker | Since you can enter the trigger settings dialog from the recording screen or the normal playback you can even decide wether you want to adjust the trigger using a life signal or an old reference recording. |
| 10:11:40 | LinusN | that's cool |
| 10:19:21 | kurzhaarrocker | Concerning the prerecord time: I once had the idea to temporarily add the trigger start duration to the prerecording time when in triggered recording mode. I didn't do that because |
| 10:19:21 | kurzhaarrocker | a) It would mean the trigger times must be limited to the prerecording times |
| 10:19:21 | kurzhaarrocker | b) It made the trigger settings screen complicated because the it would limit the start duration to (max prerec time - prerec time) |
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| 10:19:21 | kurzhaarrocker | That dynamic border of the start duration would have the look&feel of a bug if you don't have the prerecording time near it, too. |
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| 10:27:41 | LinusN | kurzhaarrocker: i see your point |
| 10:28:05 | LinusN | i just don't like having the same setting in two places |
| 10:28:17 | kurzhaarrocker | I see your point too :) |
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| 10:29:43 | kurzhaarrocker | What do yout think about a solution that adds a 2nd prerecording time that is only valid while recording triggered? |
| 10:30:03 | LinusN | hmmm |
| 10:30:19 | LinusN | didn't we have a problem with the prerecording time resolution once? |
| 10:30:34 | kurzhaarrocker | But that was solved iirc |
| 10:30:45 | LinusN | i can't remember what it was... |
| 10:30:55 | LinusN | ah, now i remember |
| 10:31:30 | LinusN | the actual recording was 0-1 second off from the trigger point |
| 10:32:39 | kurzhaarrocker | Was it solved? |
| 10:32:39 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 10:32:39 | * | kurzhaarrocker is confused |
| 10:33:34 | kurzhaarrocker | I remember making lots of tests and I believe to remember that they were satisfactory in the end. |
| 10:34:15 | LinusN | i think we wanted to find the frame boundary closest to the trigger point |
| 10:34:35 | kurzhaarrocker | yes |
| 10:35:29 | kurzhaarrocker | I remember that I once isolated some code in the mpeg code that I encapsulated in a function for that. |
| 10:35:46 | LinusN | talk about archeology |
| 10:36:00 | * | kurzhaarrocker fechtes a chisel |
| 10:43:24 | kurzhaarrocker | Ah, it was the calculation of the file pos and that was related to the split editor, not the trigger. |
| 10:48:30 | amiconn | LinusN: Yesterday I did some more tests regarding the MPEG2.5 playback problems: (1) modified postpone_dma_tick() delay, testing 1 ms and 2 ms (2) set the serial bitrate to 1 MBit/s as intended. Originally it is set to 750 kbit/s (but the comment says 1 MBit/s!) |
| 10:49:02 | amiconn | Both modifications didn't change the playback behaviour |
| 10:49:41 | LinusN | funny that i miscalculated the 1Mbit/s |
| 10:50:10 | LinusN | have you looked at the DEMAND pin? |
| 10:50:54 | amiconn | Nope. Unfortunately I don't posses a digital scope or logic analyzer |
| 10:51:09 | LinusN | ok, so maybe i'll have to do that |
| 10:51:10 | amiconn | SCI bitrate without prescaler: (FREQ/4) / (BRR+1) |
| 10:51:24 | LinusN | still, is this a properly encoded file? |
| 10:52:06 | LinusN | you should commit the bitrate fix |
| 10:52:09 | amiconn | It is (rather: they are) encoded with lame 3.96, and play fine in whatever software player I choose |
| 10:52:24 | LinusN | good then |
| 10:52:42 | LinusN | it stutters? |
| 10:53:24 | amiconn | Actually, there are 2 problems: (1) Playback of MPEG2.5 layer 3 *VBR* files stutters - on any MAS, both archos fw & rockbox. CBR plays fine |
| 10:54:17 | amiconn | (2) Player only: 11.025 kHz layer 3 files (both CBR and VBR) play silent, also both with archos fw and rockbox |
| 10:54:22 | LinusN | ok, is 2.5 supposed to support vbr? |
| 10:55:11 | amiconn | Yes, because 2.5 is just the LSF extension for MPEG2. Although 2.5 is not an official standard, all MAS datasheets claim that it is supported |
| 10:55:45 | amiconn | I actually suspect a bug in the MAS firmware, but maybe we can find a workaround |
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| 11:15:29 | LinusN | amiconn: maybe the DAC sample rate detection fails for low sample rates |
| 11:15:37 | LinusN | try setting it manually |
| 11:15:52 | LinusN | (the 11.025 kHz silent play) |
| 11:18:04 | dwihno | http://media.intozgc.com/image/200410/44634-2004102067123249.jpg - seems like sony is going to update the ex-series... |
| 11:19:44 | amiconn | LinusN: I did not dig that deep yet, didn't think of the separate dac. Funny enough, it works with both 12 kHz and 8 kHz... |
| 11:20:14 | LinusN | weird indeed |
| 11:22:15 | amiconn | (apart from the stuttering with VBR of course) |
| 11:24:02 | LinusN | hmmm, 11.025 works on the recorder? |
| 11:25:44 | LinusN | maybe the problems are related, that the MAS has some difficulties with that exact frequency? |
| 11:28:00 | amiconn | 11.025 kHz do work both on recorder (3587f) and Ondio SP (3539f), apart from the stuttering vbr |
| 11:42:38 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: should we order that EL backlight from sweden? |
| 11:42:56 | [IDC]Dragon | it needs 2, to achieve minimum order |
| 11:43:15 | LinusN | for the ondio? |
| 11:43:37 | [IDC]Dragon | not exactly, but I think we can fit this |
| 11:43:50 | LinusN | where is that swedish company? |
| 11:44:24 | [IDC]Dragon | http://www.jelu.se/shop/product_info.php?cPath=1_29&products_id=33 |
| 11:46:29 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Did you verify whether the chip wiring is made for that Sipex chip? |
| 11:46:51 | [IDC]Dragon | I have some doubts, to be hones |
| 11:46:57 | [IDC]Dragon | honest |
| 11:49:24 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe we can ignore that and just use the tiny PCB it comes with |
| 11:49:49 | [IDC]Dragon | circuit once again: http://www.myplace.nu/mp3/backlight.htm |
| 11:49:55 | amiconn | I doubt that it would fit. |
| 11:50:23 | [IDC]Dragon | there is quite some space between the main and the tuner PCB |
| 11:50:39 | [IDC]Dragon | I once put an MMC in there |
| 11:51:01 | [IDC]Dragon | (just checking, and dreaming about 1GB internal) |
| 11:53:03 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: S-18641 Vallentuna is probably not in pickup distance from you? |
| 11:54:17 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: We should check the PCB which pins are connected to the pads for the coil. Sipex SP4403 has the coil on 3-6, while that HV857MG has the coil on 1-5 |
| 11:56:39 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: it is, i'll have to check if he wants to sell directly |
| 11:57:16 | LinusN | it's not far from where i work |
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| 12:01:14 | [IDC]Dragon | how convenient ;-) |
| 12:03:49 | LinusN | lunch time |
| 12:03:59 | [IDC]Dragon | here too |
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| 13:04:59 | LinusN | logbot: seen miner49er |
| 13:07:08 | LinusN | Rexx: /msg logbot seen miner49er |
| 13:31:55 | Rexx | headie replied to me privately :) |
| 13:47:56 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: would you be willing to buy such an EL for me? |
| 13:58:32 | LinusN | i'll give him a call, but i'm not sure what he'll respond |
| 13:59:10 | LinusN | he has no store and it looks like he's running the company from home |
| 13:59:19 | [IDC]Dragon | Great! Maybe there's other interesting stuff for you |
| 13:59:42 | [IDC]Dragon | people who build mp3 players are interesting, or? |
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| 14:00:22 | LinusN | we'll see |
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| 15:24:40 | Rexx | i just opened my archosjbmm |
| 15:24:47 | Rexx | to see how it looked from the inside |
| 15:24:54 | Rexx | it was scary :P |
| 15:25:53 | Rexx | you think its possible to upgrade the CPU ? |
| 15:26:16 | kurzhaarrocker | no |
| 15:26:57 | Rexx | :( |
| 15:27:09 | Rexx | at least i can upgrade the harddrive |
| 15:27:12 | kurzhaarrocker | Why would you want to do that anyway? |
| 15:27:32 | Rexx | because then it would support movies with better quality |
| 15:28:07 | Rexx | and then it would be worth it to connect it to my TV |
| 15:28:11 | Rexx | and then watch movies on my tv |
| 15:28:36 | Rexx | now if i use a too good quality, the archos cant process all the data and.. |
| 15:28:57 | Rexx | it will pay it badly.... sound is being desynced from video.. |
| 15:29:12 | Rexx | play* |
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| 19:59:21 | raxy | wehere could I find programming instructions for the MAS codec ? |
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| 21:24:02 | DJBaz | hi, does anyone have a back up of the original jukebox 20 archos firmware they could send me/give a link to? |
| 21:27:06 | amiconn | DJBaz: Just download it from Archos |
| 21:27:44 | DJBaz | i have tried that but when i try to flash, rockbox says 'wrong version for hardware' |
| 21:29:37 | amiconn | ?? You said jukebox, so I assumed a player, but the players are not flashable. Of course, the flash images are not downloadable from archos |
| 21:29:54 | DJBaz | ah sorry, jukebox recorder |
| 21:30:00 | amiconn | v1? |
| 21:30:24 | DJBaz | yes |
| 21:31:05 | amiconn | I just remembered you can get all flash images from BlueChip's website: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems/CS_Main/RockBox/RockBox.htm |
| 21:31:22 | amiconn | Just scroll down to "Archos firmware" |
| 21:31:27 | DJBaz | nice one :) |
| 21:31:28 | DJBaz | cheers dude |
| 21:31:58 | amiconn | Btw: You should have made a backup in the first place, as the flash instructions told you ;-) |
| 21:32:29 | DJBaz | yeh i did but lost the backup lol |
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| 21:33:31 | DIgital007 | hi |
| 21:34:33 | DJBaz | hi |
| 21:36:54 | DIgital007 | im just curious when rockbox for iriver will be available for download |
| 21:37:19 | DJBaz | i dont know sorry |
| 21:42:36 | DIgital007 | just wondered because i saw a pic of the iriver with the rockbox logo oni t |
| 21:43:32 | DJBaz | must be availible then |
| 21:50:16 | DJBaz | amiconn have you ever made a rvf video? |
| 21:50:59 | amiconn | Yup. Actually I made many of them |
| 21:51:27 | DJBaz | are audio included too? |
| 21:51:35 | amiconn | Yup. |
| 21:51:44 | DJBaz | got any examples on the web? |
| 21:51:55 | amiconn | While doing that, I even helped [IDC]Dragon to find bugs in the encoder. The last bug was even found this week, and ironed out yesterday :) |
| 21:52:06 | DJBaz | nice one |
| 21:52:20 | amiconn | Do you have problems creating .rvfs? |
| 21:52:29 | DJBaz | no |
| 21:52:58 | DJBaz | but would like some futurama/simpson eps... i havent recorded any from tv yet lol |
| 21:54:06 | amiconn | I don't have such stuff, just some music videos and then some movies (German language) |
| 21:54:41 | DJBaz | movies :o |
| 21:54:52 | DJBaz | how big is the average movie once it has been converted? |
| 21:55:33 | amiconn | Yes. I even converted all 3 parts of Lord of the Rings: 764/768/859 MB |
| 21:55:47 | DJBaz | lmao |
| 21:56:03 | DJBaz | have you watched them all from start to finish on ur box? |
| 21:56:13 | amiconn | Haha, no |
| 21:56:17 | DJBaz | lol |
| 21:56:41 | amiconn | Average movies are around 400.500 MB |
| 21:57:17 | amiconn | Music videos typically 13..20 MB |
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| 22:00:53 | DJBaz | not bad |
| 22:01:52 | DJBaz | right, i have to go |
| 22:01:57 | DJBaz | ill prolly be back later |
| 22:01:59 | DJBaz | cya |
| 22:02:05 | DJBaz | thanks for your help |
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