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#rockbox log for 2004-11-10

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00:18:25midkLinusN, problem with ViewCVS?
00:18:43LinusNmidk: problems wit a lot
00:19:19LinusNsee topic
00:19:38midkoh, didn't notice
00:19:44midkso it's partially down? :)
00:20:05midkno, it's partially back up. /me slaps self
00:21:05matslZagor: you there?
00:22:39amiconnI fooled myself :(
00:24:16*B4gder curses Debian's sendmail install
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00:26:33matslZagor: sorry. tried to start of topic chat with you but failed. I have a problem with labb.
00:26:48LinusNmatsl: see topic
00:27:41matslok. I was fooled by that I can login. I see. thought you were ready. (and it is nov 10 now ;-)
00:29:41Zagori'm focusing on mail now. the various scripts can be fixed tomorrow.
00:30:52midkdoes anyone know off the top of their head if there's a scan of the archos, or a top-down view of it on the site anywhere?
00:32:05midkno, clothed :)
00:32:43midkthat works. thanks!
00:32:56LinusNcheck the download page, there are pics of all models
00:33:14LinusNthe thumbnails are links to the larger versions
00:33:45amiconnLinusN: Your last cvs change (on Nov 8) does no longer show up on the front page
00:33:55matslZagor: it is the personal webbpages that doesn't work. but i guess you'll get to those.
00:34:29LinusNamiconn: interesting
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00:35:27amiconnLinusN: Ah no, it does show up but the lines are all mixed up
00:35:33Zagormatsl: labb/~user? I didn't know anyone used them :)
00:36:16matslZagor: good that you know now then ;-) any chans of fixing that tonight?
00:36:43Zagorshouldn't be too hard
00:37:08matslno you just need to remember to do it.
00:47:37amiconnyay! I have an active lcd with cold started rockbox on player!
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00:56:39*Bagder is home now
00:57:00*Zagor is not :(
00:57:21*amiconn is celebrating
00:59:16Bagdermatsl: try now">
00:59:41LinusNcvs table on the front page is now properly sorted
00:59:54amiconnLinusN: Nice :)
00:59:59matslBagder: no luck
01:00:30Bagdermatsl: using what host name?
01:00:38amiconnLinusN, btw: The player LCD success wouldn't have been possible without the modified stub binary you sent me...
01:00:50LinusNamiconn: glad to help
01:03:48Bagdermatsl: now?
01:05:07matslBagder: better. Got an "Access forbidden!" error but that might local problem. ...
01:05:52matsli mean it worked before the update but things might have changed in strange ways?
01:06:27Bagderusing CGI are you?
01:06:47Zagorsince we changed from a very old redhat to debian unstable, things have probably changed a bit.
01:27:34amiconnNow that's interesting: If the player lcd controller really is a Solomon SSD1800 or 1801, we are driving it more than twice as fast as the datasheet tell us to.
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01:47:36amiconnyeehah! rockbox booted without panic from uart!!!
01:48:56*amiconn realizes that the port pin assignment table is not yet moved to the wiki
01:49:42LinusNyou have work to do :-)
01:50:11amiconnThe PB4 polarity is given wrong: HD is on when PB4 == high
01:54:27LinusNtake the easy way out and change www/docs/ports.t
01:56:10amiconnThe port table needs to be wiki-fied anyway, and preferably merged with the ondio pin assignments. For now, I'll take the easy way, but now there's another page on my wiki to-do list
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02:21:40amiconnGood night
02:22:10amiconnLinusN/ Bagder: You could change back the topic
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02:37:22Mode"#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
02:37:43Topic"Rockbox rocks your box" by LinusN (
02:38:52midkno, it .. ok maybe it does.
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04:43:27rumpoI need some help...I just got an iriver h320 and accidentally upgraded the firmware to the EU version
04:43:45rumpoit still runs fine, but is there anywhere to find the US version to put back on?
04:45:30rumpoanyone here at all???
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07:49:53MrShleeI just got my Iriver back
07:49:57MrShleeI missed it soo :)
07:50:09MrShleePitty im going to have to kind of break it open :P
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08:01:40MrShleemmm im running the 1.07 firmware. when the newest released is 1.06
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08:37:32[IDC]Dragongood morning Jens!
08:37:46amiconnGood morning Jörg et al
08:38:03[IDC]Dragonlooks like you had some sweet moments of success last night?
08:38:22[IDC]DragonI saw the LCD thing
08:38:34amiconnRockbox boots from uart now.
08:38:36[IDC]Dragondisk also working?
08:40:02amiconnI'd rather go for extending the ata power controlling to the players which are able to, saving some more battery power.
08:40:21[IDC]Dragonyes, like the recorder
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08:40:26LinusNamiconn: i once did that
08:40:40[IDC]Dragonthat pin wasn't documented when I worked on it
08:40:42LinusNand the player couldn't handle it
08:40:43amiconnHowever, this requires dynamic handling. New players can, old players can't
08:40:58LinusNit rebooted occasionally
08:41:03*[IDC]Dragon overlooked LinusN
08:42:31[IDC]Dragonhow about the LCD? you used gdb?
08:43:43amiconnNo, I further compared your C code with the disassembly
08:44:08amiconnThere was one more delay loop that was missing
08:44:31[IDC]DragonI must have been drunk when writing this
08:44:49[IDC]Dragonare the delays necessary?
08:45:30amiconnI did not yet dig further into this yet
08:45:56[IDC]Dragontime for work here, too
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09:20:33kurzhaarrockeris cvs out of order?
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09:22:19LinusNkurzhaarrocker: shouldn't be
09:22:36LinusNviewcvs is down at the moment, but the cvs server is alive and well
09:23:24kurzhaarrockercvs update: failed to create lock directory for `/cvsroot/rockbox/CVSROOT/Emptydir' (/cvsroot/rockbox/CVSROOT/Emptydir/#cvs.lock): No space left on device
09:23:24kurzhaarrockercvs update: failed to obtain dir lock in repository `/cvsroot/rockbox/CVSROOT/Emptydir'
09:23:24kurzhaarrockercvs [update aborted]: read lock failed - giving up
09:23:56Zagorooh, disk full
09:23:57kurzhaarrockerNo space left? is something write protected?
09:28:28kurzhaarrockerMaybe someone with parental experiences should change the diapers of the cvs server.
09:29:00LinusNkurzhaarrocker: it works now
09:29:30*Plugh loves CVS
09:30:11MrShleecvs smells
09:30:22MrShleeuse SVN
09:32:01LinusNwe will, in due time
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09:34:21MrShleeI wasnt expecting that :)
09:34:40LinusNit's in the pipe, but we need to get the server back on track first
09:35:00LinusNhad to change the system disk, and now nothing is working :-)
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09:36:08Zagorcaution: brain transplant may cause confusion
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10:09:28quelsarukgood morning
10:21:55Bagdertime for a steaming cup of black
10:22:25LinusNoo, tar
10:22:27quelsarukLinusN: just a question... all language patches previous to v2.3 are applied? i have an open french patch dated 08-24
10:22:46LinusNthere are several french patches
10:27:23quelsarukthen i'll suppose all languages are up-to-date or no language patch is avaible and start updating new files :)
10:27:55LinusNlots of the 2.3 languages are outdated
10:28:14quelsarukfor example spanish one
10:28:20LinusNbut there are no updated patches either, afik
10:28:27*quelsaruk wonders *who* is spanish here
10:28:36*LinusN looks away
10:28:42*Bagder looks at his toes
10:29:13quelsarukok then...
10:30:19quelsarukbtw, is there an explanation for those mdb options in sound settings?
10:31:17quelsaruki must get uptodate too
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11:30:41[IDC]Dragonthe mailing list behaves strange
11:31:11LinusNtell me
11:31:31[IDC]DragonLinus made a test posting, to, which went the "normal" way
11:31:51[IDC]DragonBjörn made one to
11:31:59LinusNthat was a bug
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11:32:16[IDC]Dragonthat address also works?
11:32:41[IDC]DragonI filter on
11:32:47Zagorthat is correct
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11:33:12[IDC]DragonBjörn's posting wasn't catched by that rule, went into my inbox
11:34:50LinusNbjörns post was to, but was not handled correctly by sendmail on the server
11:35:08LinusNthat is fixed now
11:37:36quelsaruklunch at breakfast time.. amazing! o_O
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12:59:59amiconn[IDC]Dragon: r u there?
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13:34:20[IDC]Dragonamiconn: now I am
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13:40:01amiconn[IDC]Dragon: You do already have a player bootloader, don't you?
13:40:14[IDC]Dragonyes, we have
13:40:21[IDC]Dragonit's in cvs
13:40:53[IDC]Dragonyou may want to add the disk powerup
13:41:04amiconnI think the bootloader should not be responsible for disk powerup.
13:41:15[IDC]Dragonbut it saves time
13:42:07[IDC]Dragontight now, it's responsible for disk power *down* if the charger is plugged, for V1,V2,FMR
13:42:07amiconnThis is better done by rockbox itself, having the option to leave it off altogether when powering up by charger connection -> charging screen
13:42:43[IDC]Dragonwith plugged charger, the disk stays off
13:44:04amiconnIf the bootloader would power up the disk, it would have to check the on button first, because otherwise the disk would get powered when you insert batteries
13:44:45amiconn(remember, main power is on by hardware default)
13:44:58[IDC]Dragonthat might be the case for the other models, too
13:45:23[IDC]DragonI don't change batteries so often
13:47:04[IDC]Dragonbut I strongly vote for the same behaviour as with the other models: disk gets started early, unless the charger is plugged
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13:47:30amiconnThe archos loader (rather, the image itself, as there is no separate loader iirc) does this: It checks the on button at start. If it is not pressed, it powers down
13:48:08amiconnAnyway, I can't test a bootloader without flashable rom...
13:48:24[IDC]Dragonthe boot loader works
13:49:22[IDC]Dragongizz is (or was) using it
13:50:18[IDC]Dragonmy offer of course is still valid: send me your board, I'll solder a chip in
13:52:04amiconn[IDC]Dragon: I'll do a bit more tests and optimizations with the lcd init first. Then we need someone with an old player (old lcd) who can do uart boot tests with that...
13:52:49[IDC]Dragonthat'll be difficult
13:53:11[IDC]Dragondo you think we need uart-boot again?
13:53:33amiconnWell, maybe an old player that is flashable would suffice
13:54:15[IDC]Dragonif such exists :-/
13:55:13[IDC]Dragonthe boot loader contains minimon, so in practical recovery case you get away with the serial mod
13:56:28[IDC]Dragonwhich reminds me that the baudrate is 14400 for that on player and ondio
14:00:38[IDC]Dragonlooking at the boot loader, I see that PB4 for disk power is already in
14:01:09[IDC]Dragonso I have to correct myself: that was already known by then
14:01:52LinusNi have an old player
14:02:11[IDC]Dragonwhich is not flashable
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14:02:22LinusNbut i have flash chips
14:02:44[IDC]Dragonand time for a uart boot mod?
14:03:08LinusNwell, time is a scarce resource, of course
14:03:36amiconn[IDC]Dragon: I really recommend using 38400 baud, because it's significantly faster. Works perfectly for me.
14:03:50LinusNbut that's a fairly simple mod isn't it?
14:04:20[IDC]Dragonmuch more simple than replacing the chip
14:05:11LinusNindeed :-)
14:05:36amiconnFor serial + uart, the player has that convenient pad area
14:06:09LinusNthe uart mod is already done, it's my player that's on the pictures in the howto
14:08:00[IDC]Dragonthe Player boot loader is not up to shape: the charger detection is missing, as well as a kind of F3 button to force minimon
14:08:36[IDC]Dragononly the menu button is checked, as a F1 equivalent
14:08:42amiconnI suggest the following mapping: F1 -> "-", F2 -> Play, F3 -> Right (similar to Ondio)
14:09:14[IDC]Dragonso far, I used buttons which can be checked by one ADC channel
14:11:57LinusNthe player buttons can be read using port c
14:14:06amiconn[IDC]Dragon: On the player, there is no adc channel with more than 1 button
14:14:23[IDC]Dragonyes, that concept doesn't hold
14:19:53amiconnI think using port C is a good idea. This gives access to "-", Play, "+", and Menu.
14:24:45LinusNthat's how we do it in the button driver, iirc
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14:31:36amiconnLinusN: Button drivers uses adc on the player
14:34:08Zagorfunny. i was also certain we used portc. yet this code is unchanged since summer '02...
14:41:54amiconnProbably that's beccause you don't get the correct port C bit readings while an adc conversion is running (all bits read as 1)
14:42:11amiconnWe won't need adc in the boot loader, so using port c would be possible
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16:01:14LinusNtime to go, cu folks
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20:05:39amiconn[IDC]Dragon: I just "transcripted" the old_lcd init from the disassembly. Now where is our tester ;-)
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20:33:04[IDC]Dragonamiconn: Linus can at least test if it messes up the display
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20:47:33amiconn_Bah, the second bluescreen today :(
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20:48:02[IDC]Dragonon the box? ;-)
20:52:54amiconnI'm currently trying to cut down the lcd init one by one.
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21:05:37amiconn[IDC]Dragon: *All* the delay loops in the lcd init are superfluous, as is the bit-wise port int
21:08:25amiconn(and the double DDRAM clear instead of clearing ICONRAM is a bug in archos fw. I already found that yesterday)
21:09:17*amiconn gets used to uart booting
21:18:48amiconnNow I have a nice little lcd init :-)
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22:18:47amiconnhi again, Jörg.
22:19:28[IDC]DragonI was (again) installing a stereo driver for my shutter glasses
22:19:58[IDC]Dragonso I can walk through our future house in stereoscopic 3D
22:20:33amiconnNice :)
22:21:03amiconnIirc such glasses don't work with lcd monitors
22:21:24[IDC]DragonI have an old tube
22:21:54amiconnI usually avoid having to use crt monitors.
22:22:16[IDC]Dragonit is due for replacement, but right now I enjoyed it
22:22:37amiconnDifferent topic: Is the old lcd command set documented somewhere, in order to add some nice #defines instead of hard coded numbers?
22:23:05[IDC]Dragonit's not the same commands but different numbers?
22:23:51[IDC]Dragonis the sequence completely different semantically?
22:23:55amiconnThe init sequence is quite different
22:24:05[IDC]Dragonor is it just other numbers for the commands?
22:24:39amiconnE.g. with the old lcd, setting the contrast comes last (so I can leave it out completely, as it's done directly after the init)
22:25:07amiconnIt's definitely not just different numbers
22:30:30amiconn[IDC]Dragon:"> This has still both alternatives in for the old lcd (waiting for test), a close transcript of what archos does, and a cut down version based on what could be left out from the new lcd version
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22:31:02amiconn[IDC]Dragon: The new lcd version is working perfectly :)
22:31:23[IDC]Dragonvery nice, and I hope not only for yours
22:32:02amiconnI wonder whether it is possible to test it on some more players before commiting
22:32:39amiconnA propos: what was the problem with your player again?
22:33:05[IDC]Dragonit's dead, apart from uart_boot
22:33:23amiconnuart_boot works?
22:34:25[IDC]DragonI think so, yes
22:34:37[IDC]DragonAlzheimer lets it fade...
22:34:56amiconn(probably stupid question): Did you solder the main board back in place? It seems to me that all the solder joints to the frame & top board are necessary for proper operation
22:36:18[IDC]Dragonfor HD, this is probably better, but for logic I think it should do without
22:36:51[IDC]Dragonuski's player is just the PCB sandwich, no more
22:51:16amiconnDifferent topic: could you extend talk.c to send the pause clip to the mas when the queue gets empty before stopping?
22:51:59amiconnI found that the mas doesn't play the last split second of a clip when there is no more data, leading to 2 problems:
22:52:40amiconn(1) Depending on the clip, the mas produces a popping noise
22:53:42amiconn(2) The last part of a word gets swallowed.
22:54:09amiconnThis becomes even more severe when the sampling frequency is lowered to better fit the voice file.
22:55:37amiconnThis becomes more severe when the sampling frequency is lowered. I tried 12 kHz now (with -B 64 to work around the MAS limitations).
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22:56:04[IDC]Dragon2hi again
22:56:17amiconnGot disconnected?
22:56:29[IDC]Dragon2windows locked me out, when I fiddled with the refresh rate
22:56:32amiconnHow far did you catch my msgs?
22:56:43[IDC]Dragon2peeked the log
22:57:06[IDC]Dragon2cue the silence always, hmm
22:57:45[IDC]Dragon2I don't really know which clip is the last, so I can't queue it
22:58:01amiconnyes, that's what I thought
22:58:27[IDC]Dragon2I could only do a check when the queue runs empty
22:58:53[IDC]Dragon2if lastclip != silence: play (queue) silence
22:59:30amiconnThat idea sounds better than what I had in mind
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23:04:56amiconnGood news - the lcd init doesn't disturb warm boot
23:05:15[IDC]Dragondo you need those port inits?
23:05:31[IDC]Dragoncold, of course
23:07:27amiconnThe recorder lcd driver does the same (apart from the level setting). It might be unnecessary, though
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23:08:54amiconn[IDC]Dragon: Initing PBCR2 may be left out (GPIO is hw default for these ports), setting PBIOR is definitely necessary (default is input)
23:10:47[IDC]Dragonthat's not done by a lower layer?
23:11:26amiconnThere is no strictly lower layer. lcd.S does only contain the transfer routines
23:11:28[IDC]Dragonah, ok, the recorder driver does such, too
23:11:44amiconn[23:07:23] <amiconn> The recorder lcd driver does the same (apart from the level setting)
23:12:16[IDC]Dragonnow I understand what you meant
23:13:27amiconnThe port init will be moved before the old/new if..else, as soon as someone positively tests the "prettified" version for the old lcd
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23:54:00amiconnBagder: r u there?

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