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| 00:06:21 | lImbus | re |
| 00:06:48 | amiconn | hi again! |
| 00:07:00 | amiconn | Could you please look up the AN5 value? |
| 00:07:11 | lImbus | of course, just a moment |
| 00:07:30 | lImbus | unfortunately, it's too late to scan now. postponed to tomorrow morning |
| 00:08:00 | amiconn | No hurry |
| 00:08:04 | quelsaruk | time to go, cu another day |
| 00:08:08 | quelsaruk | good night! |
| 00:08:08 | lImbus | cu |
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| 00:08:28 | lImbus | AN5 is mostly 001, but sometimes 000 |
| 00:09:07 | amiconn | Ah, interesting. AN1 around 0 as well? |
| 00:09:38 | lImbus | AN1: 3FF |
| 00:09:42 | lImbus | is that -1 ? |
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| 00:10:27 | amiconn | lImbus: No, it's 1023 (these are the ADC input values, which are unsigned) |
| 00:11:24 | amiconn | Ah, I was looking at the wrong place. AN1 is 3FF here as well. However, AN5 is not around 0 with the newer hardware, as I suspected |
| 00:16:22 | lImbus | does the ondio really need the anti skip buffer setting ? |
| 00:17:27 | amiconn | Most probably not. We just didn't remove it, perhaps it's a good idea to do that |
| 00:19:19 | lImbus | may confuse noobs, then they fiddle around, then they complain about something, and it takes ages to find out one of the symtomps of his problems is this. |
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| 00:27:04 | AimVector | hi |
| 00:27:10 | lImbus | hi |
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| 00:27:48 | AimVector | i have recently flashed my jukebox, when ever i try to start it the HD spins and makes a clunking sound and has the error "ATA Error: -42" |
| 00:27:51 | AimVector | what does that mean? |
| 00:32:04 | LinusN | sounds like the drive doesn't get enough power to spin up |
| 00:32:28 | AimVector | happens while it is plugged in too |
| 00:32:40 | AimVector | and i have tried charging the batterys with an external charger for a lil while too |
| 00:32:58 | LinusN | then i think your battery connectors might be broken |
| 00:33:14 | AimVector | crap |
| 00:33:16 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/docs/repairbattery.html |
| 00:33:18 | AimVector | ill check |
| 00:33:27 | AimVector | any visible signs to look out for? |
| 00:33:51 | LinusN | open it up and flex the small pcb:s with the springs on them |
| 00:34:12 | LinusN | then you see if they are properly connected to the chassis |
| 00:34:45 | AimVector | hm |
| 00:35:02 | AimVector | could it be the batterys? |
| 00:35:49 | LinusN | yes |
| 00:35:54 | AimVector | i need one of those T screwdrivers :| |
| 00:35:59 | AimVector | dammit |
| 00:36:14 | LinusN | try with a set of fresh batteries |
| 00:36:30 | AimVector | only fresh batterys i have are AA |
| 00:36:42 | LinusN | a bad battery may very well show a good voltage, but fail to deliver enough current |
| 00:36:46 | AimVector | not the Ni-MH ones that are for the jukebox |
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| 00:37:17 | AimVector | wouldnt the power supply bypass that though no? |
| 00:37:23 | LinusN | no |
| 00:37:32 | AimVector | ok |
| 00:37:36 | bagawk | Hi amiconn and LinusN |
| 00:37:39 | LinusN | the power supply can't deliver enough current alone |
| 00:37:44 | AimVector | ok |
| 00:37:48 | LinusN | it needs the batteries for that |
| 00:37:53 | LinusN | bagawk: hola |
| 00:37:59 | AimVector | any tips on how to remove the screws without one of those T screwdrivers? |
| 00:38:04 | LinusN | don't |
| 00:38:08 | bagawk | ?? To Run only from power supply? |
| 00:38:29 | bagawk | AimVector: that is just a head, no tips needs |
| 00:38:37 | bagawk | You will need size t10 |
| 00:39:05 | AimVector | yeh |
| 00:39:38 | AimVector | brb |
| 00:39:45 | AimVector | gonna try and find a t10 screwdriver |
| 00:39:48 | AimVector | should have one somewhere |
| 00:40:08 | amiconn | hi bagawk |
| 00:40:22 | bagawk | LinusN: I need more mods for my jukebox :) |
| 00:40:57 | lImbus | hi bagawk/dstar5/lee :-) |
| 00:41:19 | bagawk | lImbus: Helloo |
| 00:44:39 | bagawk | LinusN: has anyone ever made a IR remote control for the jukebox? |
| 00:44:57 | LinusN | i've heard of a project like that |
| 00:45:03 | AimVector | back |
| 00:45:15 | AimVector | cant find a t10 screwdriver, ill get one at my parents work 2morow |
| 00:45:31 | bagawk | AimVector: what are you planning to do? |
| 00:46:04 | AimVector | my jukebox has a power problem, LinusN says it may be the battery connectors have came off the pcb |
| 00:46:17 | AimVector | common problem i have read |
| 00:46:35 | bagawk | ahh I guess you have a studio? |
| 00:46:46 | AimVector | jukebox recorder |
| 00:47:11 | bagawk | LinusN: http://cool.haxx.se/pipermail/rockbox/2004-July/006671.html - Object not found! |
| 00:47:48 | LinusN | bagawk: oops |
| 00:48:01 | AimVector | bagawk what have you done to ur jukebox? |
| 00:49:01 | bagawk | AimVector: CPU board transplant, RTC wake up and white backlight |
| 00:49:17 | AimVector | cpu board transplant?? |
| 00:49:18 | AimVector | lol |
| 00:49:24 | AimVector | what did that envolve and why? |
| 00:50:05 | bagawk | I replaced the cpu board so i could flash (it the the bottom board in the recorder) |
| 00:50:31 | AimVector | oh |
| 00:50:40 | AimVector | i thought ya could flash all v1 models |
| 00:51:04 | bagawk | Most of them |
| 00:51:15 | bagawk | some have a older flash chip that you cannot |
| 00:51:29 | AimVector | ah |
| 00:51:35 | AimVector | have you got a pic of ur jukebox? |
| 00:51:42 | AimVector | never seen a white backlight before heh |
| 00:51:44 | bagawk | Humm |
| 00:51:56 | bagawk | I do have a ugly picture taken with a webcam |
| 00:52:31 | amiconn | AimVector: http://arnold-j.bei.t-online.de/Rockbox/WhiteBacklight1.jpg Yes I've done it as well :) |
| 00:52:32 | AimVector | lol |
| 00:53:03 | AimVector | thats a nice backlight |
| 00:53:50 | amiconn | LinusN: Are there (probably old) recorders with mask bit 0 == 0? |
| 00:54:56 | bagawk | http://www.freewebs.com/leepil/whitebacklight.jpg |
| 00:55:18 | lImbus | bagawk: 404 |
| 00:55:30 | bagawk | hold on... |
| 00:56:07 | AimVector | lol |
| 00:56:10 | lImbus | any plans on getting light to the ondios ? |
| 00:56:22 | lImbus | would be leet :D |
| 00:57:19 | amiconn | In fact it's already prepared on the PCB, but not populated. Looks like some pads for an EL driver chips and associated parts |
| 00:57:41 | AimVector | i was tempted to buy an ipod today |
| 00:57:41 | AimVector | lol |
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| 00:58:57 | lImbus | amiconn: I thought on seeing that. |
| 00:59:17 | bagawk | ftp://172.175.188.122/ftp/whitebacklight.jpg |
| 00:59:21 | bagawk | that might work |
| 00:59:26 | bagawk | freewebs deleted me hehe |
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| 00:59:39 | bagawk | i did not put a link to there main page :P |
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| 01:00:28 | AimVector | lol |
| 01:00:34 | bagawk | ftp://172.175.188.122/ftp/whiteblight.jpg |
| 01:00:38 | bagawk | wrong name :P |
| 01:00:52 | amiconn | lImbus: We just have to find out which chip fits in there. Most likely (according to [IDC]Dragon) Sipex SP4403 |
| 01:01:20 | AimVector | nice :) |
| 01:02:08 | bagawk | A freidn took some nicer pictures, but i dont have them right now |
| 01:02:12 | bagawk | *friend |
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| 01:02:30 | AimVector | its cool |
| 01:02:51 | lImbus | amiconn, what does that chip cost, how hard is it to build it in, and what happens if its the wrong one ? |
| 01:03:52 | amiconn | I didn't find a source for that chip. Anyway I'd like to check whether it fits (should be possible to tell from the pinout and some beeping) |
| 01:04:15 | bagawk | time to go |
| 01:04:18 | bagawk | see you later |
| 01:04:29 | lImbus | cu |
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| 01:05:02 | amiconn | Then there is the next question - where to get a suitable EL foil. There is a little web shop in Sweden that sells an EL backlight circuit along with an EL foil that looks like it could fit |
| 01:06:30 | lImbus | mounting leds from the side of the glass like jukebox-style is no option ? |
| 01:07:48 | amiconn | That would require a light diffusor - I think there is not enough room for it. |
| 01:08:23 | lImbus | oh, yeah, of course |
| 01:17:17 | amiconn | Looks like it's time for some beeping... |
| 01:17:54 | lImbus | tüüüüt üüüüü tüüü üt |
| 01:26:35 | LinusN | yiehaa! |
| 01:26:49 | LinusN | i have contact with the iriver hard disk! |
| 01:27:17 | LinusN | IDENTIFY says "TOSHIBA MK2004GAL" |
| 01:27:20 | Stryke` | YES! |
| 01:27:33 | lImbus | cheers |
| 01:27:42 | Stryke` | congratulations |
| 01:27:47 | LinusN | thanks |
| 01:28:32 | LinusN | now i think i have earned some sleep :-) |
| 01:29:10 | LinusN | nite all |
| 01:29:15 | lImbus | don't forget to switch the topic, else you will dream of your registers and stuff |
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| 01:29:20 | lImbus | nite... |
| 01:38:43 | lImbus | me too, off for bed... |
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| 04:22:39 | rakaus | hey all, just had a quick question about flashing my ROM on my FM recorder |
| 04:24:05 | rakaus | what happened to the FM-recorder.bin files that used to be included in the daily build .zip files? |
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| 09:34:59 | [IDC]Dragon | 'morning chaps! |
| 09:35:03 | Zagor | morning |
| 09:35:04 | LinusN | howdy |
| 09:35:08 | midk | morning |
| 09:35:26 | LinusN | check the irc log for iriver news |
| 09:35:50 | [IDC]Dragon | I did, my deep congratulations! |
| 09:35:56 | LinusN | thanks |
| 09:37:09 | [IDC]Dragon | I eventually should get an iriver, from a clearance sale or such :-/ |
| 09:38:24 | gromit`_ | hello ! |
| 09:38:37 | [IDC]Dragon | hi |
| 09:39:12 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: your board is already in the mail again |
| 09:39:36 | [IDC]Dragon | so you should have it back at the weekend |
| 09:42:31 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: so you can attach the file system soon? That should be a leap forward. |
| 09:42:39 | LinusN | soon |
| 09:42:49 | LinusN | my ata driver is a mess right now |
| 09:43:09 | LinusN | but it will work very soon, i hope to be able to spend some time this evening |
| 09:43:22 | [IDC]Dragon | are buttons and LCD in shape for Rockbox? |
| 09:44:23 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: what was the url for the backlight modules again? |
| 09:44:52 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: buttons are not yet in shape, but that's just lazyness from my side |
| 09:45:12 | [IDC]Dragon | http://www.jelu.se/shop.php |
| 09:46:17 | [IDC]Dragon | the product is http://www.jelu.se/shop/product_info.php?products_id=33 |
| 09:47:00 | LinusN | how many? |
| 09:47:30 | [IDC]Dragon | one, unless Jens wants to join in right away |
| 09:47:46 | [IDC]Dragon | he didn't sound too much like it |
| 09:48:41 | [IDC]Dragon | well, maybe two, to be on the safe side |
| 09:49:06 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: i tried to /msg you |
| 09:49:11 | [IDC]Dragon | somebody will want one, too |
| 09:49:14 | [IDC]Dragon | oops |
| 09:54:13 | Bagder | nice work on the ATA code LinusN |
| 09:57:29 | LinusN | thanks |
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| 09:59:21 | lImbus | good mornin' everybody |
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| 10:02:50 | [IDC]Dragon | morning! |
| 10:02:59 | LinusN | hola |
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| 10:08:50 | Zagor | major snowfall today |
| 10:09:23 | Bagder | indeedo |
| 10:10:02 | LinusN | shit! |
| 10:10:21 | LinusN | and i'm supposed to go out on a field test today... |
| 10:10:22 | Zagor | no no, snow |
| 10:10:30 | Bagder | HAHAHA |
| 10:10:42 | lImbus | lol |
| 10:10:44 | Zagor | could be worse |
| 10:10:46 | lImbus | showfall ? |
| 10:10:47 | Zagor | could be raining |
| 10:10:50 | Bagder | LinusN: bring the showel |
| 10:12:24 | Zagor | lImbus: you know, white stuff from the sky? :) |
| 10:13:03 | lImbus | hey, I'm living next to the highest point of belgium, we already had this year :) |
| 10:13:30 | lImbus | tbh, that hghest point is not even 700m above the see, and we had snow once :-/ |
| 10:13:32 | Bagder | highest point? is that above sea level? B-P |
| 10:13:40 | lImbus | ^^ |
| 10:25:51 | Bagder | Zagor: I see your new box runs rc5 very fine :-) |
| 10:26:36 | Zagor | yeah, it's cranking out quite a few keys |
| 10:40:43 | lImbus | I'm about to finish the scans of my ondio (older pcb version). a few issues: |
| 10:41:38 | lImbus | - my one has hf-cases around a few components (the surface between mcc-slot and radio pcb, underneath the lcd) and the radio-pcb can't be lift off without desoldering |
| 10:42:08 | lImbus | if needed, I can do that (not now), but I'm not going to tamper around with that unless it's really needed. |
| 10:44:54 | lImbus | I did 1200dpi, rotated and cropped. |
| 10:45:31 | lImbus | I'm driving to my workplace now to deposit them on a slow but biiiig webspace. bmp and jpg is ok I assume ? |
| 10:47:47 | * | oxygen77 is away: chui pas là |
| 10:48:56 | lImbus | GOSH ! I SWAPPED THE SREWS!!! I GOT THE LONGER ONE (1mm longer) IN ONE OF THE SIDE HOLES. I PERFORATED MY ONDIO-FRONTPLATE !!! |
| 10:48:58 | lImbus | :(((((( |
| 10:49:25 | lImbus | me silly. should be more careful with new toys... |
| 10:51:10 | LinusN | i did a similar thing on my Player a few years ago |
| 10:51:22 | LinusN | only the screw perforated a power line :-) |
| 10:51:29 | lImbus | ouch |
| 10:51:32 | lImbus | even more ouch |
| 10:52:25 | lImbus | but: it's fixeable. my one keeps a bullet hole unless I start with some filler... |
| 10:52:37 | * | lImbus is taking photographs of the bullethole |
| 10:53:45 | * | LinusN had a bullet hole in a wall in his previous apartment |
| 10:54:09 | LinusN | rough neighborhood |
| 10:54:31 | lImbus | a real bullet hole ? from a gun ? in sweden ? |
| 10:54:49 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:54:56 | LinusN | from a hunting rifle |
| 10:55:27 | LinusN | the bullet stopped in the mains fuse box :-) |
| 10:55:33 | lImbus | what if you would have been in the line of that at the wrong moment ? |
| 10:56:17 | Zagor | gangsta linus |
| 10:56:20 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:56:47 | LinusN | in fact, it wasn't a fight |
| 10:57:08 | lImbus | I suppose it was an *accident* |
| 10:57:21 | LinusN | my neighbour two flats away played with the rifle and didn't know it was loaded |
| 10:57:37 | LinusN | the bullet passed one whole apartment and stopped in mine |
| 10:57:47 | LinusN | nobody was hurt |
| 10:58:00 | lImbus | wow. too much people die during playing with guns. |
| 10:58:17 | LinusN | let's just say that he learned a lesson :-) |
| 10:58:44 | lImbus | did he sell that weapon ? if not, he did not learn... |
| 10:59:47 | LinusN | i don't know |
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| 11:00:10 | lImbus | BTW: does everybody agree with my toughts and uttering about scans of ondio ? so I can put the scanner back in the shelve |
| 11:01:07 | LinusN | you mean to not remove the shield? |
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| 11:01:47 | NSplit | niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 11:02:15 | NHeal | niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 11:02:15 | NJoin | einhirn [0] (Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) |
| 11:02:35 | lImbus | nooo. im only removing the shield if really needed. the current cvs-version is already running on my ondio. so I suppose it's NOT needed immediately |
| 11:05:03 | LinusN | then what am i supposed to agree with? |
| 11:05:27 | Zagor | lunch (early) |
| 11:05:43 | lImbus | I just want to know if 1200 dpi is ok, and if I forgot to do anything if I scanned front and back |
| 11:05:51 | lImbus | enjoy your meal |
| 11:06:10 | LinusN | 1200 dpi is fine, as long as you don't destroy it with a hard JPEG compression |
| 11:06:24 | LinusN | lunch |
| 11:06:28 | lImbus | enjoy your meal |
| 11:06:30 | lImbus | tn |
| 11:06:33 | lImbus | +x |
| 11:16:23 | lImbus | off for work ... |
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| 13:51:46 | ripnetuk | "TOSHIBA MK2004GAL" - Nice work Linus :) |
| 13:52:04 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:53:16 | ripnetuk | has any thought been given to how non-bdm owners are going to boot code on the iRiver? i assume you are still using the wiggler to run it |
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| 13:56:30 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort#Write_a_boot_loader |
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| 14:28:52 | quelsaruk | hi |
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| 14:53:40 | lImbus | amiconn: how / where should I drop the images (scans) ? |
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| 15:46:38 | amiconn_ | www.ro |
| 15:47:14 | [IDC]Dragon | I was disconnected for hours without noticing |
| 15:47:29 | Zagor | ow |
| 15:47:30 | amiconn_ | hi [IDC]Dragon |
| 15:47:39 | [IDC]Dragon | Aldi Nord is bringing an mp3 HD player: |
| 15:47:42 | [IDC]Dragon | http://www.aldi-essen.de/OFFER_D/OFFER_48/BILD01.JPG |
| 15:47:54 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: can you try whatever didn't work with twiki before? |
| 15:48:26 | [IDC]Dragon | looks again different than all I've seen |
| 15:48:51 | [IDC]Dragon | full description: http://www.aldi-essen.de/OFFER_D/OFFER_48/OFF01.HTM |
| 15:49:46 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: I'll try, hang on |
| 15:51:26 | lImbus | amiconn: are you ok ? |
| 15:51:41 | lImbus | amiconn_ that is |
| 15:53:21 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: works, hooray! |
| 15:53:30 | Zagor | excellent |
| 15:54:00 | [IDC]Dragon | what was it? |
| 15:55:02 | amiconn_ | lImbus: I am here. My rdp connection doesn't like me today (again) |
| 15:57:15 | Zagor | formatted for the logs (and thus google): "Connection reset by peer: ap_content_length_filter: apr_bucket_read() failed" with twiki was remedied by changing apache2 multi processing module from mpm_worker to mpm_prefork |
| 15:58:02 | [IDC]Dragon | but the dilithium crystals and the warp core is ok? |
| 15:58:11 | Zagor | ;) |
| 15:58:26 | lImbus | amiconn_: so where should I get them ? and which version ? I can tell you the url where it is on my slow but huge webspace, I can upload it to wiki, I can post it on the list. |
| 15:58:59 | lImbus | maybe you want to have the bmp-files (about 24 mb) but only the jpgs (700kb) should go towiki. |
| 15:59:20 | lImbus | and finally, I can make a browsing people friendly version. |
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| 16:03:03 | amiconn_ | I think the version that goes to the wiki should be approximately the same size as the ones already there (for inline display). Then you could add the full size jpegs and link them |
| 16:06:07 | lImbus | ok, I'll try that |
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| 16:08:43 | lImbus | mhmm. amiconn_, where should it go in wiki ? there are already pictures... |
| 16:14:48 | amiconn_ | Just attach the pictures to the ArchosOndio topic. I think it is best to have the inline versions side by side with the pics of the newer hardware |
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| 17:35:08 | amiconn_ | [IDC]Dragon: r u there? |
| 17:37:35 | [IDC]Dragon | now I am |
| 17:37:47 | [IDC]Dragon | just looking at that alien Ondio |
| 17:39:29 | amiconn_ | Yes, I did already have a quick look as well. |
| 17:40:19 | amiconn_ | Last night I tried to identify the necessary EL driver chip for the empty footprint. No success yet. Your candidate (Sipex SP4403) does not match... |
| 17:41:02 | amiconn_ | The closest match I could find was the Sipex SP4425, which has all pin at the necessary places, but mirrored... |
| 17:42:42 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe they mount it upside down :-| |
| 17:43:51 | [IDC]Dragon | what is the stuff under lImbus LCD? |
| 17:44:57 | amiconn_ | I don't know. Looks like simple white plastic to get a bit more contrast (as the lcd is semi-transparent) |
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| 17:45:30 | amiconn_ | [IDC]Dragon: What I figured about the pads so far (please correct me if you think I got these wrong): |
| 17:46:34 | amiconn_ | Left row, top down: (1) Enable input, connected to the CPU, (2) Vcc, (3), (4) EL foil |
| 17:47:00 | [IDC]Dragon | agreed |
| 17:47:25 | amiconn_ | Right row, top down: (1) unknown, (2) ground, (3) coil (4) unknown |
| 17:48:06 | [IDC]Dragon | (1) can have a component towards Vcc |
| 17:48:20 | [IDC]Dragon | perhaps a pullup |
| 17:48:42 | amiconn_ | Either a resistor or a diode (some chips employ external diodes) |
| 17:48:53 | [IDC]Dragon | (4) can have a component towards the coils, perhaps an external diode |
| 17:49:05 | amiconn_ | Ah, yes |
| 17:49:44 | amiconn_ | oil is to be placed between the 2 large pads below the chip. |
| 17:49:51 | amiconn_ | *Coil |
| 17:49:56 | [IDC]Dragon | did you notice the wireinng for lImbus is different? |
| 17:50:32 | [IDC]Dragon | the EL foil seems to go to the bottom pin of each row |
| 17:50:47 | amiconn_ | Ah, I did not look for that. That looks much more like SP4403 (EL between 4 and 5) |
| 17:52:49 | amiconn_ | There are pads for small components that go between each end of the foil and the chip. What could that be? |
| 17:52:50 | [IDC]Dragon | coil is pin 3 |
| 17:53:08 | [IDC]Dragon | dunno, maybe current limiting resistors? |
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| 17:53:50 | [IDC]Dragon | (as a safety feature) |
| 17:56:07 | [IDC]Dragon | looks like Archos tried to shield the digital part, probably to quieten the tuner |
| 17:56:31 | [IDC]Dragon | under the LCD is more than just white |
| 17:57:07 | [IDC]Dragon | looks like something is connected to the upper edge |
| 17:57:20 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe a shield |
| 17:58:48 | amiconn_ | There is much more shielding in that unit than in yours. The samsung tuner board looks a bit strange... |
| 17:59:11 | [IDC]Dragon | with the air coils? |
| 17:59:52 | [IDC]Dragon | the philips tuner is more sophisticated, doesn't need such external parts |
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| 18:00:13 | [IDC]Dragon | but could also use some shielding... |
| 18:00:14 | amiconn_ | Yes, both the air coils and the non-smd ceramic capacitors |
| 18:00:29 | [IDC]Dragon | those are filters |
| 18:00:59 | amiconn_ | Ah, yes |
| 18:02:17 | [IDC]Dragon | why is the first pic duplicated as the last? |
| 18:02:29 | amiconn_ | I dunno |
| 18:02:37 | ^ShAtZMaN^ | hello everyone =] |
| 18:02:46 | [IDC]Dragon | hi |
| 18:02:56 | amiconn_ | There is still the question which EL driver chip goes into the empty space. |
| 18:03:46 | amiconn_ | I found a comprehensive data sheet collection on the web (which does not require login). I'll look through the EL driver data sheets (there are >100 of them), perhaps I'll find the matching one |
| 18:03:48 | ^ShAtZMaN^ | i wanted to see if i can help... so i was told to set up the enviroment on my comp... i did that but i got the archos sim while i wanted the iriver one... even though i chose iriver on the configure... help? |
| 18:03:57 | [IDC]Dragon | I don't know. Perhaps SP4403 for that old one, a different for ours |
| 18:04:27 | ^ShAtZMaN^ | sorry for my english.=\ |
| 18:05:35 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn_: where is that collection? |
| 18:06:00 | ^ShAtZMaN^ | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=102.msg533#msg533 |
| 18:06:07 | ^ShAtZMaN^ | i did that... |
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| 18:06:46 | ^ShAtZMaN^ | the doc's only address the archos simulator can you please address me to the iriver doc's? |
| 18:07:48 | amiconn_ | [IDC]Dragon: Sorry, I can't look it up atm (have the link on my home box, which I can't reach atm). |
| 18:07:54 | [IDC]Dragon | ^ShAtZMaN^: run the configure script, it should give you a choice of iriver |
| 18:08:56 | ^ShAtZMaN^ | [IDC]Dragon; i ran it... and chose iriver. but still after the "make" when i run "./rockboxui" i got the archos one. the archos picture and all. |
| 18:09:35 | [IDC]Dragon | ^ShAtZMaN^: dunno, I never did (no iriver people here atm) |
| 18:09:50 | ^ShAtZMaN^ | [IDC]Dragon; Maybe i need different CVS's ? |
| 18:10:13 | [IDC]Dragon | do you use linux or cygwin? |
| 18:10:25 | ^ShAtZMaN^ | i have a running linux system... will it easy're there ? |
| 18:10:34 | ^ShAtZMaN^ | im usind cygwin at the moment |
| 18:10:39 | ^ShAtZMaN^ | using* |
| 18:10:54 | [IDC]Dragon | perhaps, the sim was adapted by a linux guy |
| 18:10:57 | ^ShAtZMaN^ | i have MDK10... if it matters... |
| 18:11:02 | ^ShAtZMaN^ | ow.. |
| 18:11:08 | ^ShAtZMaN^ | i'll check that... 10x |
| 18:11:16 | ^ShAtZMaN^ | bye for now. =] |
| 18:11:26 | [IDC]Dragon | so the Windows version may not support iriver |
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| 18:12:58 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn_: I did a comprehensive button table |
| 18:13:37 | [IDC]Dragon | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/KeymapOndio |
| 18:18:04 | [IDC]Dragon | leaving this place... |
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| 21:00:29 | Digital007 | Hi |
| 21:00:39 | dwihno | hello! |
| 21:00:51 | Digital007 | hi Dwihno |
| 21:01:05 | Digital007 | whats happening? |
| 21:01:27 | Digital007 | There was some aspects of the Archos i miss in the iRiver |
| 21:02:16 | Digital007 | like the on-the-fly playlists |
| 21:02:33 | dwihno | well, there might be rockbox for the iriver too :) |
| 21:03:13 | Digital007 | MIGHT? should be a resounding WILL! |
| 21:07:50 | Digital007 | :) |
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| 21:38:12 | amiconn | hi again |
| 21:38:23 | [IDC]Dragon | hi there |
| 21:38:48 | [IDC]Dragon | what's happening? |
| 21:39:11 | amiconn | I try to debug talk.c :-/ |
| 21:39:18 | [IDC]Dragon | urgh |
| 21:39:29 | [IDC]Dragon | the missing start? |
| 21:39:45 | amiconn | One problem (and cause for swallowed clip beginnings) already solved, see my latest commit |
| 21:39:54 | * | [IDC]Dragon looks |
| 21:40:11 | amiconn | Now there is another one, introduced with the silence scheduling |
| 21:41:22 | amiconn | shutup() now works correctly for all regularly scheduled clips, so no more swallowed beginnings. However, shutup() doesn't work for the added silence, since this is not scheduled into the queue... |
| 21:41:54 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, yes |
| 21:42:40 | amiconn | So if new clips arrive while the silence is playing, the silence gets stopped mid-frame, and the next clip start is swallowed |
| 21:43:05 | amiconn | I wonder why you don't simply schedule the silence into the queue |
| 21:45:38 | [IDC]Dragon | I didn't want to schedule within the interrupt |
| 21:45:53 | [IDC]Dragon | but perhaps I should split that code |
| 21:46:06 | amiconn | Something like this: if (is_voice_clip(last_clip) && last_clip != silence) schedule(silence); |
| 21:46:41 | [IDC]Dragon | and schedule needs to be a small, efficient worker function |
| 21:46:56 | [IDC]Dragon | not the full-blown thing |
| 21:47:04 | amiconn | Why not simply call queue_clip() |
| 21:47:06 | amiconn | ? |
| 21:47:22 | [IDC]Dragon | excuse me for some time |
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| 22:45:09 | [IDC]Dragon | back again |
| 22:45:23 | amiconn | I think I have a working solution... |
| 22:45:40 | amiconn | ...a bit ugly (using goto) but simple |
| 22:46:02 | [IDC]Dragon | like what? |
| 22:47:37 | amiconn | amiconn.dyndns.org/talk.c">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/talk.c |
| 22:51:59 | [IDC]Dragon | I see |
| 22:53:09 | [IDC]Dragon | I'd prefer to extract the "heart" of queue_clip() and call it from there |
| 22:53:28 | [IDC]Dragon | but I'm not sure if it works out |
| 22:54:06 | [IDC]Dragon | because when the queue is found empty, it's too late for normal scheduling |
| 22:54:17 | [IDC]Dragon | same problem you ran into |
| 22:54:35 | [IDC]Dragon | just avoiding a few lines of duplicate code |
| 22:55:09 | amiconn | I don't know if it's worth to have a separate function for those few lines. The queue add and queue read could even be shortened to 3 lines of code, if the queue length matches a 2^n-1 value |
| 22:55:46 | [IDC]Dragon | it is a power of two |
| 22:55:57 | [IDC]Dragon | why -1 ? |
| 22:56:11 | amiconn | Ah, not -1, I already thought of the mask |
| 22:56:39 | amiconn | queue_write = (++queue_write) & queue_mask; |
| 22:57:15 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, I wonder why I haven't done it like that |
| 22:57:27 | [IDC]Dragon | sinceI mandate 2 ^n |
| 22:57:34 | amiconn | A similar approach is also possible for other lengths than 2^n, however it requires a modulo division |
| 22:58:02 | amiconn | (much more expensive) |
| 22:58:37 | [IDC]Dragon | then the if() limiter is better |
| 22:58:52 | amiconn | QUEUE_MASK is already there |
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| 23:00:30 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm still puzzled about that frame detection bug |
| 23:00:38 | amiconn | Why? |
| 23:00:50 | [IDC]Dragon | I swear I have carefully checked its operation |
| 23:01:22 | [IDC]Dragon | I made a debug list, tracking from where to where was played |
| 23:01:40 | [IDC]Dragon | had a debug entry to dump all that into a file |
| 23:01:52 | [IDC]Dragon | and verified the file offline |
| 23:02:14 | amiconn | It does not bug in from where to where it played, but with storing the previous frame header, causing the header search in shutup() go wrong |
| 23:02:43 | [IDC]Dragon | which determined the end point |
| 23:03:02 | [IDC]Dragon | which was part of my debugging, too |
| 23:03:23 | amiconn | From checking the disassembly, it is clearly visible. *start[1] first resolves the subscript, then dereferences. Adding the parentheses reverses that operation |
| 23:03:46 | [IDC]Dragon | you can use p_lastclip[n] |
| 23:03:48 | amiconn | I caught that bug with the catch mem accesses debug feature |
| 23:04:03 | [IDC]Dragon | nice feature ;-) |
| 23:04:24 | amiconn | Yup. I wonder why noone else than me seems to use it though |
| 23:04:50 | [IDC]Dragon | because it's not on by default? |
| 23:05:29 | amiconn | That was impossible until a few days ago. The playback engine caused loads of hits |
| 23:05:40 | [IDC]Dragon | I know |
| 23:07:07 | amiconn | amiconn.dyndns.org/disasm.txt">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/disasm.txt |
| 23:07:58 | [IDC]Dragon | is it really done 3 times? |
| 23:08:08 | amiconn | yes, once per line |
| 23:08:13 | [IDC]Dragon | or does the compile re-use *start ? |
| 23:08:46 | [IDC]Dragon | I was expecting better |
| 23:08:47 | amiconn | No, it doesn't. r4 is start |
| 23:09:10 | [IDC]Dragon | another reason to use p_lastclip[n] |
| 23:09:18 | amiconn | That's why I suggested -O2 some time ago. Iirc this solves a number of those stupid redos |
| 23:09:19 | [IDC]Dragon | or memcpy() |
| 23:09:42 | [IDC]Dragon | ah yes, we still don't have that |
| 23:09:53 | [IDC]Dragon | it there a sane reason? |
| 23:10:16 | amiconn | I don't know. Perhaps I should try it |
| 23:10:40 | [IDC]Dragon | how about -Os ? |
| 23:11:08 | [IDC]Dragon | min size is what we really want |
| 23:12:36 | amiconn | I think we want both a small size and a decent speed. I wouldn't use -Os for normal building, the only reason for -Os would be that it could make rombox fit on the FM devices |
| 23:13:08 | amiconn | Btw, did you notice my disasm snippets were from rombox? |
| 23:13:39 | [IDC]Dragon | now that you tell... |
| 23:14:50 | amiconn | The somewhat ugly goto could be avoided if the code block within if (QUEUE_LEVEL) {...} gets duplicated instead. |
| 23:18:14 | amiconn | using p_lastclip[n] instead of (*start)[n] doesn't generate much better code |
| 23:25:59 | amiconn | -O2 caused an IllInstr exception :( |
| 23:26:42 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, I thought we already compiled it like that |
| 23:26:50 | [IDC]Dragon | someone did... |
| 23:26:58 | [IDC]Dragon | -Os, iirc |
| 23:29:59 | amiconn | With -Os, jpeg.o doesn't link... and it crashes as well |
| 23:31:04 | [IDC]Dragon | suboptimal, indeed |
| 23:37:44 | amiconn | I tried changing the queue pointer arithmetics as suggested. Now I get 3 warnings from gcc :( |
| 23:37:57 | amiconn | "talk.c:203: warning: operation on `queue_read' may be undefined" |
| 23:38:56 | amiconn | Ah, easy to avoid :) |
| 23:44:12 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: amiconn.dyndns.org/talk.c">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/talk.c (again). What do you think? |
| 23:48:21 | [IDC]Dragon | looks good, yes |
| 23:49:36 | [IDC]Dragon | I leave it in your capable hands tonight |
| 23:49:48 | [IDC]Dragon | goodnight! |
| 23:49:59 | amiconn | Nite [IDC]Dragon |
| 23:49:59 | [IDC]Dragon | (and thanks for debugging!) |
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