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| 01:14:03 | taz2 | Does RockBox work on archos jukebox Multimedia 20? |
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| 01:48:13 | amiconn | hi LinusN |
| 01:48:20 | LinusN | hi |
| 01:49:17 | amiconn | I now have enabled the memory guard in my personal build by default. I just found another spot that causes zero area hits... |
| 01:49:47 | LinusN | oh |
| 01:50:58 | amiconn | It's only one place - setting the peak meter release time. If you look into this setting, you may notice that the unit isn't there as well (was "units per read" in ealier rockbox) |
| 01:51:14 | amiconn | I'm already on to fixing it |
| 01:52:01 | amiconn | I just need to know where str() is defined (not STR() - already found that one) |
| 01:58:02 | LinusN | nice |
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| 02:04:37 | LinusN | ATA and FAT works fine on the iriver now :-) |
| 02:05:33 | amiconn | Uiih, commit flooding :) |
| 02:05:40 | amiconn | Nice work :) |
| 02:05:46 | LinusN | thx |
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| 02:06:39 | amiconn | No short-hand byte/ word swap on coldfire? |
| 02:07:37 | LinusN | swap.w exists, swaps the two 16-bit halves |
| 02:07:51 | LinusN | but no swap.b |
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| 02:08:54 | LinusN | we'll see if we can optimize those |
| 02:09:02 | LinusN | i just wanted something that works |
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| 02:16:45 | amiconn | Fix committed. |
| 02:22:09 | LinusN | hmmm, i've made some major changes to ata.c, so i'll have to test it on the archos before i commit |
| 02:22:17 | LinusN | and i need to sleep |
| 02:23:24 | amiconn | I hope your other changes didn't brake something on archos |
| 02:23:33 | amiconn | s/brake/break/ |
| 02:24:46 | LinusN | let's hope that |
| 02:25:23 | amiconn | I just compiled & installed current cvs on Ondio - seems to work :) |
| 02:26:46 | LinusN | phew |
| 02:29:45 | amiconn | same for recorder :) |
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| 02:32:27 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you have an idea why both -O2 and -Os create binaries that fail with an IllInstr exception? |
| 02:34:52 | LinusN | nope |
| 02:35:33 | amiconn | Anyway, probably I should get some sleep too |
| 02:40:20 | LinusN | nite |
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| 02:51:53 | AimVector | how can i connect my jukebox hard drive to my pc? |
| 02:52:04 | AimVector | the ide connector doesnt fit, my jukebox is dead |
| 02:52:05 | AimVector | :( |
| 02:54:40 | amiconn | You will either need a 2.5"->3.5" hd adapter, or an external 2.5" usb enclosure |
| 02:56:16 | AimVector | oh right |
| 02:56:23 | AimVector | i tried fixing my jukebox but no luck |
| 02:56:25 | AimVector | its dead :( |
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| 03:01:26 | amiconn | Nite |
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| 03:31:25 | AimVector | anyone here? |
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| 06:33:08 | Cor | request: any chance of enabling FF/RW in playlist view ? |
| 06:33:44 | Cor | 'view playlist' as it's called in the menu |
| 06:33:52 | midk | all the keys are used, right? |
| 06:34:14 | Cor | ? |
| 06:35:15 | midk | is l/r used in the viewer? |
| 06:36:04 | Cor | holding down the key is not, i believe |
| 06:38:07 | midk | hmm |
| 06:39:35 | midk | not uypt o me anyways :).. bagder may or may not be of service |
| 06:39:38 | midk | up* |
| 06:39:41 | midk | to* |
| 06:39:59 | midk | night |
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| 06:44:13 | Cor | i'd also appreciate being able to stay in the 'view playlist' mode and have it scroll down to the next song when it begins playing in the 'WPS' |
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| 08:31:24 | amiconn | Good morning |
| 08:40:48 | lImbus | y0, hi |
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| 08:46:45 | amiconn | lImbus: Nice that you added the side-by-side view in the wiki :) |
| 08:47:24 | lImbus | now browsing people need laaarge screens :) |
| 08:47:48 | amiconn | All three pics fit into my browser window |
| 08:48:01 | lImbus | !!! |
| 08:48:13 | lImbus | BTW: Ondio->recording settings->source ->digital is not really functional, isn't it ? |
| 08:48:57 | amiconn | I think so. I didn't check whether Jörg removed it or not. My Ondio SP has no recording :( |
| 08:49:29 | lImbus | what a bummer |
| 08:49:55 | lImbus | I like recording from radio, even if the quality is crap... |
| 08:51:13 | amiconn | The SP is the simplified version - no recording, no radio. |
| 08:51:25 | amiconn | Just look at my tuner board |
| 08:52:04 | lImbus | yup, I saw. but I still don't know why they named it "sp" then. SimPel ? |
| 08:52:55 | amiconn | Simple Player? |
| 08:53:13 | lImbus | uhh. |
| 08:53:20 | * | lImbus gets another cup of coffee |
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| 09:23:28 | Bagder | silly player perhaps? ;-) |
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| 09:24:03 | kurzhaarrocker | Neither Linus nor Zagor? Are they stuck in the snow? |
| 09:24:10 | Bagder | probably |
| 09:24:17 | Bagder | we had lots of more tonight |
| 09:24:40 | Bagder | hm, that came out wrong but you get my point ;-) |
| 09:25:07 | kurzhaarrocker | :) |
| 09:42:56 | oxygen77 | hello Bagder |
| 09:43:42 | Bagder | hi |
| 09:43:53 | oxygen77 | I'm working in the linav project |
| 09:44:19 | oxygen77 | and I was willing to use the id3 code from rockbox |
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| 09:44:59 | Bagder | oxygen77: you GPL your code? |
| 09:45:27 | oxygen77 | sure |
| 09:45:32 | oxygen77 | :) |
| 09:45:42 | Bagder | then go ahead! ;-) |
| 09:45:49 | oxygen77 | I know there is no problem regarding the license |
| 09:46:01 | oxygen77 | I'm informing you |
| 09:46:08 | Bagder | thanks |
| 09:46:30 | oxygen77 | I want to put linav headers |
| 09:46:45 | oxygen77 | but also keep the information that this code is comming from rockbox |
| 09:46:47 | Bagder | we are actually a whole bunch of people who've made that what it is today |
| 09:47:27 | oxygen77 | so how do you want this to be put? |
| 09:47:42 | Bagder | well, you should keep the (C) text and the GPL blurb from our header, then you can prepend whatever you want |
| 09:48:01 | Bagder | or possibly have your own GPL blurb of course |
| 09:48:30 | oxygen77 | what is the (c) text ? |
| 09:48:36 | Bagder | "Copyright (C) 2002 by Daniel Stenberg" |
| 09:48:38 | oxygen77 | Copyright (C) 2002 by Linus Nielsen Feltzing |
| 09:48:40 | oxygen77 | :) |
| 09:48:49 | oxygen77 | ok |
| 09:49:12 | Bagder | the id3.c mentions my name |
| 09:49:35 | oxygen77 | not the mp3data.h |
| 09:49:49 | oxygen77 | but the mp3data.c does |
| 09:49:50 | Bagder | hehe, nope |
| 09:50:36 | oxygen77 | I'll also keep the txt about ample project |
| 09:50:58 | Bagder | it shows the history of the file |
| 09:51:04 | oxygen77 | yup |
| 09:51:07 | Bagder | I don't think anything from ample is still in there now |
| 09:51:43 | oxygen77 | k :D |
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| 09:55:56 | Bagder | morning LinusN |
| 09:56:11 | lImbus | hi |
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| 10:00:42 | LinusN | yo |
| 10:05:38 | LinusN | from the MisticRiver forum: "If there's one thing I hate more than anything else on here and on the rockbox forums, it's the sheer amount of people kissing rockbox arse." |
| 10:05:45 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:06:02 | lImbus | loool |
| 10:06:03 | Bagder | envy shining through? ;-) |
| 10:06:19 | LinusN | nah, i took the message out of context |
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| 10:06:39 | Bagder | that's what we like! ;-P |
| 10:06:59 | * | Bagder remembers the classic: "you're only making rubbish" |
| 10:06:59 | kurzhaarrocker | How do you get rid of all that lipstick? |
| 10:07:21 | LinusN | i got the "when is it ready" question for the 100th time, and someone replied "Do *NOT* hassle 'Da Man' while he's working. OK? Good." |
| 10:08:07 | LinusN | so i can understand his reaction |
| 10:10:56 | Bagder | one shouldn't expect too much from those user forums |
| 10:12:09 | dwihno | "you're only making rubbish"? |
| 10:12:15 | * | kurzhaarrocker suspects that internet forums made tv producers aware that there is a niche for afternoon talkshows. |
| 10:12:19 | Bagder | dwihno: good old mailing list posting in the past |
| 10:12:25 | dwihno | :) |
| 10:12:41 | dwihno | A name change... Rubbishbox :) |
| 10:13:15 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-09/0586.shtml |
| 10:13:53 | Bagder | we are all just silly people |
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| 10:14:58 | Zagor | it's a true classic |
| 10:15:57 | dwihno | Ha ha ha |
| 10:16:05 | dwihno | Silly^2 ><))))8> |
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| 10:58:02 | * | LinusN can read and write files and directories on his iriver |
| 10:58:16 | LinusN | and handle button events |
| 10:58:26 | LinusN | backlight works |
| 10:58:37 | LinusN | hard drive spindown works too |
| 10:59:39 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: I get a habit of congratulating |
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| 11:00:14 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:00:18 | LinusN | keep it coming :-) |
| 11:00:19 | [IDC]Dragon | do you compile the rest of Rockbox with it? Can you browse? |
| 11:00:48 | LinusN | i added tree.c last night, but it depends on every f*cking file in rockbox... |
| 11:01:12 | LinusN | so i skipped that part for now |
| 11:01:12 | amiconn | LinusN: You broke the iRiver sim... |
| 11:01:20 | LinusN | as if i cared :-) |
| 11:01:39 | LinusN | 295 errors? not a record... |
| 11:01:52 | [IDC]Dragon | didn't the sime browse and show menus? |
| 11:02:03 | LinusN | yes it did |
| 11:02:04 | [IDC]Dragon | s/sime/sim |
| 11:02:31 | [IDC]Dragon | but the target make is a lot different? |
| 11:02:43 | LinusN | a lot |
| 11:02:52 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, ok |
| 11:03:08 | LinusN | totally fake |
| 11:03:16 | [IDC]Dragon | :-( |
| 11:04:44 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Did you notice that I changed KeymapOndio (already 2 days ago), describing the current keyboard button assignment? |
| 11:05:07 | [IDC]Dragon | I just did |
| 11:05:30 | [IDC]Dragon | strangely, I changed it yesterday, which is not indicated |
| 11:06:25 | [IDC]Dragon | my intention was to describe the 2.3 state, so Christy could work it into the manual |
| 11:08:40 | * | oxygen77 is away: Chui pas là |
| 11:08:52 | LinusN | it seems like twiki has problems with the "release lock" feature |
| 11:15:18 | amiconn | Zagor et al: Given the new intended release cycle of 8 weeks, we can have a wonderful release date for 2.4: 2004-12-24 :-) |
| 11:15:42 | [IDC]Dragon | spoiling our vacation? |
| 11:16:48 | Zagor | it would be fun, but I expect most of us will be on Real Life duty that day |
| 11:17:14 | [IDC]Dragon | the iriver is working by then? ;-) |
| 11:17:27 | [IDC]Dragon | will it shuffle correct? |
| 11:17:33 | Zagor | haha |
| 11:17:56 | LinusN | and OTF playlists? |
| 11:18:05 | [IDC]Dragon | and play record mp3, ogg, wma, flac |
| 11:18:06 | LinusN | and gapless? |
| 11:18:32 | [IDC]Dragon | I forgot some: wav, sid, midi |
| 11:18:41 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: we can't have real shuffle, since we don't have an rtc. i read that on the intarnet |
| 11:19:01 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, what a pity |
| 11:19:11 | Zagor | i'll go make some snow angles instead |
| 11:19:16 | [IDC]Dragon | was that on AOL? |
| 11:19:18 | amiconn | Zagor: The release could be prepared beforehand, letting it build the packages by an automated script on 2004-12-24 |
| 11:19:52 | [IDC]Dragon | I want to automate packages on xmas, yes |
| 11:20:04 | Zagor | hehe |
| 11:20:17 | amiconn | ;-) |
| 11:21:22 | LinusN | and a prerecorded irc discussion |
| 11:21:32 | [IDC]Dragon | lImbus: are you there? |
| 11:29:29 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN, Zagor, Bagder: I like that "global moderator" status you have in the forums |
| 11:29:42 | [IDC]Dragon | will you bring us world peace? |
| 11:30:53 | LinusN | yes, that's our god given mission |
| 11:31:33 | lImbus | [IDC]Dragon: i am somehow |
| 11:32:03 | lImbus | congratz, LinusN |
| 11:32:12 | [IDC]Dragon | lImbus: I'm curious about that shielding in your box |
| 11:32:37 | lImbus | you saw the pictures. what do you want to know ? should I open them ? |
| 11:32:57 | [IDC]Dragon | better not |
| 11:33:13 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm wondering how it is attached |
| 11:33:21 | lImbus | maybe it's for the radio. it has HUGE bursts from the electronics (beeping for keypresses, and so on) |
| 11:33:59 | lImbus | I reassembled the ondio. but I can have a look, only it will take up to sunday. |
| 11:34:06 | [IDC]Dragon | that's probably why they kicked it out, replacing with Philips |
| 11:35:05 | lImbus | i suppose the only attaching point of these shield are the small soldering points you can see on the scans |
| 11:35:20 | [IDC]Dragon | Jens and I have been speculating about the EL backlight chip, the empty socket which is just under the white plastic in your pic |
| 11:35:57 | [IDC]Dragon | the pinout is different on yours |
| 11:36:24 | lImbus | 8 pins ? |
| 11:36:33 | [IDC]Dragon | is the white plastic glued to the shield? you didn't take it off |
| 11:37:06 | lImbus | yes, it's glued. and you don't see more if you don't take away the shield, so I led it be |
| 11:37:31 | * | lImbus has got to go very soon |
| 11:37:33 | [IDC]Dragon | ok |
| 11:38:03 | lImbus | the lcd_off picture is mainly for the quarz/oscillo |
| 11:39:20 | lImbus | a propos EL-backlight. It's what wrecked on my laptop yesterday evening.... the tft is now veeeery dark :( |
| 11:39:41 | [IDC]Dragon | ohh, how did it happen? |
| 11:40:38 | lImbus | dunno. it gave some electric sounds (like that beeping from electronic circuits in recorders recordings), then was black. in the middle of the sentense i was typing. now using rdp inhouse ... |
| 11:41:02 | [IDC]Dragon | laptops don't have EL backlight, but fluorescent lamps |
| 11:41:39 | [IDC]Dragon | sounds like the inverter gave up |
| 11:42:06 | lImbus | mhmm. I don't care. it wrecked, and it's still on guarantee, so I'll make some helpdesk-hopping today |
| 11:44:00 | lImbus | im just a small bit disappointed. a few bad things happen these days... |
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| 11:53:51 | lImbus | gotta go. will we back later |
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| 11:55:36 | LinusN | lunch |
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| 12:30:47 | Fots | hi all |
| 12:31:05 | LinusN | hi |
| 12:31:23 | Fots | :) i've noticed the firmware stuff u guys are doing, nice work |
| 12:31:35 | Fots | i'm thinking about buying an mp3 player |
| 12:31:38 | Fots | so confused :D |
| 12:31:43 | Fots | how r u Linus ? |
| 12:32:04 | LinusN | i'm fine, a little tired, too little sleep |
| 12:32:16 | Fots | yeah same here, had my last exam today |
| 12:32:18 | Fots | :) |
| 12:32:22 | LinusN | oooh |
| 12:32:34 | Fots | :D r u doing exams atm too ? |
| 12:33:02 | LinusN | hehe, that was a long time ago |
| 12:33:08 | Fots | aahh, lol |
| 12:33:12 | LinusN | i'm 36 |
| 12:33:22 | Fots | aahh :D |
| 12:33:24 | Fots | well i just finished my course, im 21 |
| 12:33:55 | Fots | hey Linus, what do u think of the iAudio m3 ? |
| 12:34:02 | Fots | have u ever tried one ? |
| 12:34:07 | LinusN | i have no opinion |
| 12:34:12 | Fots | aahh |
| 12:34:14 | Fots | np |
| 12:34:32 | * | ashridah notes that it supports FLAC, last he heard. |
| 12:34:45 | LinusN | if you want rockbox, go for an archos recorder or an iriver H1xx |
| 12:34:48 | Fots | lol yeah thats what i just noticed too |
| 12:35:06 | Fots | yeah, well i dont mind either way, as long as the firmware provided is good |
| 12:35:18 | Fots | ashridah: if it does gapless with FLAC, then im buying it |
| 12:35:30 | Fots | but i dont know if it does gapless with flac :'( |
| 12:35:58 | ashridah | i really couldn't care less either way. FLAC in a portable player seems overly extreme by my standards. |
| 12:35:59 | Fots | im afraid the archos recorder isnt sold in local shops here in Australia |
| 12:36:01 | Zagor | i wouldn't want a player without a display on the main unit. i don't want to have to use the remote all the time. |
| 12:36:10 | Fots | ashridah: yep thats true |
| 12:36:23 | Fots | Zagor: yeah, i see ur point, well i cant really find a good alternative |
| 12:36:43 | Fots | all i want is 3 things, gapless playback + a remote + a good built product |
| 12:36:45 | ashridah | Fots: hm. i haven't seen the iaudio anywhere, that said, i haven't really been looking since i got my iriver h140 back in april or so |
| 12:36:56 | Zagor | Fots: looked at the iriver? |
| 12:36:57 | Fots | ashridah: whats the iriver like ? |
| 12:37:06 | Fots | yeah, i should give em another look i guess |
| 12:37:17 | Fots | i hear that their gapless support sucks |
| 12:37:18 | Fots | is that true ? |
| 12:37:26 | Fots | apart from that, they look very nice |
| 12:37:36 | ashridah | in that it's not really there? you could say that, yes. |
| 12:37:45 | Fots | ashridah: yeah |
| 12:37:51 | Fots | thats such a shame |
| 12:37:55 | ashridah | the only problem is the remote for the h3xx series bites, in comparison to the one you get with the H1xx |
| 12:38:06 | Fots | aahh, how do u mean ? |
| 12:38:07 | Zagor | as far as I know there is only one player that does gapless with stock formware: rio karma |
| 12:38:11 | ashridah | (that said, you can buy a replacement and it works with the H3xx perfectly, last i checked) |
| 12:38:17 | Fots | ahhh well thats gr8 |
| 12:38:23 | Fots | Zagor: yeah |
| 12:38:32 | Fots | Zagor: i just question the build quality of rio units |
| 12:38:37 | ashridah | but the one that comes with the H3xx has no LCD, and less buttons |
| 12:38:38 | Fots | they dont seem very robust |
| 12:38:48 | Fots | ashridah: ahh, well i dont really mind about that |
| 12:38:53 | Fots | i was also considering minidisc |
| 12:38:59 | * | ashridah has been very mobile with his H140 since he got it, and hasn't had any issues) |
| 12:38:59 | Fots | atrac+ at 256 sounds ok |
| 12:39:02 | Fots | but not perfect |
| 12:39:08 | Zagor | Fots: you must understand we are not a generic mp3 player group. we are naturally biased towards players that can run our firmware |
| 12:39:11 | Fots | ashridah: nice dude, i will check em out again |
| 12:39:20 | Fots | Zagor: yep, i understand |
| 12:39:32 | Fots | i just thought id come in and get some of your opinions |
| 12:39:37 | Fots | and have a chat |
| 12:39:38 | Fots | :D |
| 12:39:52 | Zagor | :) |
| 12:40:00 | Fots | r u guys planning to do gapless and stuff on the iriver ? |
| 12:40:03 | Fots | :) |
| 12:40:06 | Zagor | yes |
| 12:40:10 | Fots | maybe i should just wait for ur gr8 firmware |
| 12:40:13 | Fots | hmm |
| 12:40:20 | Fots | i think i'll do that actually |
| 12:40:24 | Fots | :D |
| 12:40:50 | Fots | it just annoys me that companies can't do a proper job themselves |
| 12:40:55 | Fots | the same happened with creative drivers |
| 12:41:08 | Fots | and now theres an independent group www.kxproject.com developing drivers coz creative suck |
| 12:41:09 | Fots | lol |
| 12:41:19 | Zagor | they only do enough to sell them. anything more is a waste of money. |
| 12:41:19 | Fots | i use the kx drivers, they are so much better |
| 12:41:24 | Fots | yeah lol |
| 12:41:33 | Zagor | it's the commercial development dilemma |
| 12:41:53 | Fots | see thats why i enjoy iTunes, its definately a nice little program, but god the whole battery not being replaced and nongapless playback makes ipod look like shit |
| 12:42:32 | Fots | apple are definately developing for monetary gain, not reputation among perfectionists |
| 12:42:36 | Fots | i guess its worked so far lol |
| 12:43:03 | ashridah | i've heard people say the audio quality of ipods aren't that hot compared to some other players too, but that's complete hearsay |
| 12:43:09 | ashridah | since i've never listened to one. |
| 12:43:17 | Fots | yeah, iv read the same ashridah |
| 12:43:22 | Fots | they say it sounds tinny |
| 12:43:26 | ashridah | the part that scares me about ipods is taht one of my friends wants to get one purely because it comes in pink! |
| 12:43:27 | Fots | then again, they are probly encoding at 128 lol |
| 12:43:28 | Zagor | however audio quality is always very subjective |
| 12:43:34 | Fots | ashridah: lmao |
| 12:43:35 | ashridah | (female friend, that is) |
| 12:43:42 | Fots | ashridah: naturally lmao |
| 12:43:48 | Fots | see, thats what pisses me off about apple |
| 12:43:53 | Fots | idiots |
| 12:43:53 | Fots | lol |
| 12:44:09 | Fots | i mean, they just released the ipod photo, and their ordinary ipod still doesnt even play music perfectly |
| 12:44:18 | Fots | so is all the coding for firmware done in assembly? |
| 12:44:30 | LinusN | C |
| 12:44:30 | Zagor | no, 98% is C |
| 12:44:34 | Fots | aahh nice |
| 12:44:35 | Fots | :D |
| 12:44:44 | kurzhaarrocker | 0% in java |
| 12:44:50 | Fots | lmao good ! |
| 12:44:52 | Fots | java = crap |
| 12:44:53 | Fots | lol |
| 12:44:54 | ashridah | is the ipod doing hardware or software decoding? |
| 12:44:57 | Fots | im a c++ fan |
| 12:45:07 | Zagor | ashridah: software |
| 12:45:12 | ashridah | java isn't crap, it's just not suited to some tasks. |
| 12:45:19 | Fots | lol thats true |
| 12:45:24 | Fots | i.e. its crap |
| 12:45:24 | Fots | lmao |
| 12:45:25 | Fots | j/k j/k |
| 12:45:29 | ashridah | Zagor: so what was the purpose of the proprietary chip you guys couldn't get unrestricted info on? |
| 12:45:34 | ashridah | fairplay? |
| 12:45:59 | ashridah | Fots: have you ever developed a large-scale multi-tier web application with java? |
| 12:46:10 | ashridah | come back and tell me it's crap once you've done it with people who know how to design well. |
| 12:46:16 | LinusN | it's the chip that does the decoding |
| 12:46:16 | Fots | i cant say i have ashridah |
| 12:46:25 | Fots | ashridah: iv used servlets |
| 12:46:30 | Fots | which i despise |
| 12:46:30 | Fots | lol |
| 12:46:32 | Zagor | ashridah: it's a modified arm7 core, likely with some dsp instructions to speed up decoding |
| 12:46:44 | ashridah | ah |
| 12:46:49 | Fots | ashridah: but they are definately very robust and emphasise good structure |
| 12:46:50 | Fots | :D |
| 12:47:20 | Fots | ashridah: iv developed a large multi-tier web application in PHP, which isnt quite as robust as Java |
| 12:47:45 | Fots | have u tried PHP ? |
| 12:47:56 | * | ashridah notes that the people in question were very surprised when it scaled as well as it did, AND when they found otu it took them 3 days to rip out the oracle specific stuff and replace it with postgres stuff when the client realised they couldn't afford oracle for each school in the state :) ) |
| 12:48:15 | Fots | hahaha |
| 12:48:44 | kurzhaarrocker | php is nice for quickhacks |
| 12:48:49 | Fots | yeah |
| 12:48:51 | ashridah | yeah, php's nice. i've done plenty of adhoc stuff with it, and it does have the infrastructure available to do larger projects, but i haven't had to work with it that far yet |
| 12:49:02 | ashridah | it tends to be a bit patchy in some areas tho |
| 12:49:09 | Fots | ashridah: yeah thats true |
| 12:49:19 | Fots | i definately think that servlets / applets are more robust |
| 12:49:25 | ashridah | it takes discipline more than anything |
| 12:49:36 | Fots | exactly |
| 12:49:40 | Fots | thats totally true |
| 12:49:43 | ashridah | which is the same with pretty much any language. |
| 12:49:48 | Fots | agreed |
| 12:50:12 | Fots | when i say java is crap, i say it because i hate that my uni is starting to teach java first instead of c+ |
| 12:50:15 | Fots | c++* |
| 12:50:41 | Fots | so i kinda have this personal thing against it because i personally dont believe its a good first language |
| 12:50:51 | Fots | not to say that its not a good language, but just not a good "first" language |
| 12:50:55 | Fots | do u know what i mena ? |
| 12:50:59 | Fots | mean* |
| 12:51:35 | Fots | oh well, iv bored u all enough, i'll get outta here lmao |
| 12:51:37 | Fots | :D |
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| 12:53:28 | Tang | Hi all |
| 12:53:51 | Tang | just to congratulate Linus for last progresses on iRiverport |
| 12:54:01 | Tang | looks very fine |
| 12:54:02 | Tang | :) |
| 12:59:40 | LinusN | thx |
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| 13:03:16 | * | [IDC]Dragon spots cvs traffic |
| 13:03:52 | [IDC]Dragon | if LinusN proceeds like this, he'll have the pluging working tonight ;-) |
| 13:04:01 | [IDC]Dragon | plugins |
| 13:04:23 | LinusN | hehe |
| 13:04:55 | [IDC]Dragon | how much space do we grant them this time? |
| 13:04:58 | LinusN | well, my family is back from their trip, so i won't have that much time for hacking |
| 13:05:21 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, they've been away, hence the activity |
| 13:05:24 | LinusN | on the iriver? well, more than 32K at least :-) |
| 13:05:57 | * | [IDC]Dragon should get an iriver |
| 13:06:14 | [IDC]Dragon | but /me has less than zero time... |
| 13:06:16 | dwihno | LinusN: Yay for ATA progress \o/ |
| 13:06:57 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe I'm back in development in a good year from now |
| 13:07:47 | Tang | lol we would hope for another LinusM's parents trip! |
| 13:28:19 | LinusN | parents? you mean wife and kids. |
| 13:34:11 | * | oxygen77 is back (gone 02:25:31) |
| 13:36:12 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN looks so young |
| 13:37:00 | [IDC]Dragon | we have to take care when his parents are away, that he dosn't spent too much time with these computers |
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| 13:46:08 | Tang | Oh sorry LinusM indeed i thought you were younger... |
| 13:54:51 | Tang | Bye everybody! |
| 13:54:57 | Tang | :) |
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| 14:00:24 | kurzhaarrocker | Linus: concerning triggered recording - what do you mean with "issues with screen updates and button handling" |
| 14:02:25 | LinusN | i believe we had to change a few things to achieve faster screen updates, weren't we? (in the peak_meter_button_blabla() function) |
| 14:03:49 | LinusN | plus our discussion about the visual feedback in general, with the traffic light being in the way of long translated strings |
| 14:04:35 | Zagor | i think we should commit the traffic light (drawn after the text, so it ends up on top) and then make a new fix if we actually run into that problem |
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| 14:05:08 | LinusN | ok, and perhaps disable Pause? |
| 14:06:06 | Zagor | hmm, remind me |
| 14:06:25 | LinusN | the triggering code doesn't like to pause the recording |
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| 14:06:41 | Zagor | ah, ok. how about making pause stop if in trigger mode? |
| 14:07:20 | LinusN | or just ignore it |
| 14:07:33 | LinusN | kurzhaarrocker: comments? |
| 14:10:41 | * | AimVector is back after 10h9m: sleeping |
| 14:10:46 | AimVector | LinusN hey |
| 14:11:07 | AimVector | remember my problem with my jukebox? |
| 14:12:37 | LinusN | eh, no... |
| 14:13:16 | AimVector | lol |
| 14:13:30 | AimVector | you said the clicking of my hard drive could have been the battery connectors |
| 14:13:34 | LinusN | aha |
| 14:13:41 | AimVector | well its not |
| 14:13:52 | AimVector | i plugged the hard drive into my laptop and the very same happens |
| 14:14:08 | LinusN | there you have it |
| 14:14:12 | AimVector | click click click ciick, click click click click |
| 14:14:22 | LinusN | time to go shopping then :-) |
| 14:14:27 | AimVector | lol |
| 14:14:37 | AimVector | http://www.soliton.net/content/comp/ibm/ |
| 14:14:45 | kurzhaarrocker | sorry, was afk for a mo |
| 14:15:01 | AimVector | apparently if i tighten up a screw it can fix it though, dunno if you have heard of this problem before |
| 14:15:37 | kurzhaarrocker | About visual feedback: we (I) can make a line with bigger display. If the trigger status has its own line it won't collide with other strings |
| 14:17:48 | kurzhaarrocker | The pause mode still is something I'll have to look at. I'm not sure how I want it to behave. Probably I'll prefer to disable it while triggered recording. Imho it doesn't make sense. |
| 14:17:58 | LinusN | AimVector: worth trying :-) |
| 14:18:17 | LinusN | kurzhaarrocker: let's disable it |
| 14:19:02 | LinusN | if we use a whole line for feedback, how would it affect the setting screen? |
| 14:19:14 | elinenbe | LinusN: how close are we to a rockbox working on the iriver? |
| 14:19:35 | kurzhaarrocker | (btw: It wasn't the screen update but the led blinking frequency that required faster button polling) |
| 14:19:39 | elinenbe | I'm excited about all your great progress |
| 14:19:55 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: r u there? |
| 14:20:13 | kurzhaarrocker | In the screen settings I already have to scroll for the last line. Scrolling for another line won't hurt that much. |
| 14:21:38 | Zagor | i don't like replacing the traffic light with text. complementing is fine, but don't remove the light. |
| 14:21:56 | [IDC]Dragon | traffic light? |
| 14:21:56 | LinusN | Zagor: who said anything about text? |
| 14:22:09 | kurzhaarrocker | I'd have something like a horizontal bigger traffic light + text in that line, Zagor |
| 14:22:40 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: visual feedback in the triggering mode |
| 14:22:56 | [IDC]Dragon | like a vu meter? |
| 14:23:20 | kurzhaarrocker | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TriggerManual |
| 14:23:22 | Zagor | i still think we should commit it as-is and then work on improvements |
| 14:23:35 | LinusN | Zagor: okidoki |
| 14:24:03 | [IDC]Dragon | that setting screen is indeed different |
| 14:24:18 | LinusN | yes, not easily translated |
| 14:24:23 | [IDC]Dragon | probably works only in english |
| 14:24:46 | kurzhaarrocker | yes. Primarily because it needs optical feedback about the trigger behaviour while setting the trigger settings |
| 14:25:17 | [IDC]Dragon | no voice, I guess (recording mode) |
| 14:25:24 | LinusN | perhaps it would be better with icons? (i can't believe i said that) |
| 14:25:57 | [IDC]Dragon | now hell breaks loose |
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| 14:32:08 | kurzhaarrocker | far in the back of my had some ideas about a graphical interface where you edit a curve rise.. But that's trigger V2.0 |
| 14:34:49 | LinusN | :-) |
| 14:38:04 | [IDC]Dragon | "There will soon exist bitmapped players without RTC": they already do, Ondio |
| 14:39:00 | midk | players as in with a hard drive? |
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| 14:39:48 | [IDC]Dragon | this was from LinusN's clock plugin commit |
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| 14:40:08 | [IDC]Dragon | so far, we handled it in SOURCES |
| 14:40:14 | LinusN | silly me |
| 14:40:51 | [IDC]Dragon | no, double protection is good, and makes it visible from the source |
| 14:40:54 | LinusN | the simulator doesn't have SOURCES |
| 14:41:20 | [IDC]Dragon | ah |
| 14:42:02 | Zagor | the simulator makefiles are due for realignment with the regular builds |
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| 14:47:42 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Now I'm here |
| 14:51:46 | [IDC]Dragon | just got a call from a Linear Technology representative |
| 14:51:59 | [IDC]Dragon | because of the sample I ordered |
| 14:52:24 | [IDC]Dragon | I was barely able to stop him from visiting here :-/ |
| 14:52:26 | kurzhaarrocker | And how many thousands did you reorder? :9 |
| 14:53:10 | [IDC]Dragon | should I not have checked the box that I'll taget 5 mio pieces/month? ;-) |
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| 15:00:16 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I now have the memory guard enabled by default in my personal builds |
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| 15:05:40 | [IDC]Dragon | how about committing that? |
| 15:08:46 | amiconn | I don't think it's a good idea commiting this, at least not without requiring an extra #define. Users may not expect rockbox to crash because of those bugs. That feature is aimed at developers only |
| 15:09:55 | [IDC]Dragon | but the more people testing with it, the more bugs get uncovered |
| 15:12:08 | [IDC]Dragon | Windows is also not masking access violations |
| 15:14:48 | LinusN | is the access trap non-recoverable? |
| 15:14:55 | amiconn | True, but on the other hand, we would need the complete debug info to analyze the report, i.e. the *exact* build version, along with the failure address |
| 15:15:30 | amiconn | Additionally, a disassembly of that exact version, and the map file are needed (would need to get those from the official build system) |
| 15:16:19 | amiconn | LinusN: with the current implementation it's not, that would require a separate handler function which I didn't bother to write. |
| 15:16:56 | amiconn | As it is now, invalid accesses trigger an execption (UserBrk), displayed by the default exception handler in rockbox |
| 15:17:05 | amiconn | Did you really never try it? |
| 15:17:26 | LinusN | i did, to verify that my mpeg fix worked |
| 15:17:49 | LinusN | my question was more like if it can be made recoverable |
| 15:17:50 | [IDC]Dragon | it is still helpful to get a user report how to reproduce it, regardless of map file |
| 15:18:56 | LinusN | i agree |
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| 15:20:05 | LinusN | the interrupt could send an event, and the default handler could catch it |
| 15:20:18 | LinusN | and display a splash and return |
| 15:21:20 | [IDC]Dragon | better wait for a key, to note the address |
| 15:21:29 | LinusN | naturally |
| 15:23:21 | LinusN | gotta go |
| 15:23:24 | LinusN | cu guys |
| 15:23:50 | amiconn | LinusN: I think it's recoverable by nature |
| 15:24:14 | amiconn | Just returning from the interrupt should continue the running program |
| 15:24:37 | amiconn | However, this leaves the problem how to display a splash while in interrupt state |
| 15:26:28 | Bagder | Zagor: I've installed enscript on labb now and fixed coloured source with viewcvs on the curl repo |
| 15:31:27 | Zagor | neto |
| 15:32:58 | LinusN | amiconn: that is solved by having the splash in the default event handler |
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| 15:33:58 | Zagor | i'm off too |
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| 15:34:42 | * | amiconn doesn't understand how this could work |
| 15:43:13 | [IDC]Dragon | the irq sends an event into the queue, like a button press within the tick irq |
| 15:44:08 | [IDC]Dragon | the default handler (running in the foreground context) grabs it and does whatever |
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| 15:47:59 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Hmm, this might actually work, *if* it is possible to have events with parameters. |
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| 15:52:38 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: you probably have to store the info somewhere |
| 15:53:59 | amiconn | Yes. I just found that events include a data pointer. What to do if several (could be really many) exceptions occur until the default event handler gets called? Only store the last? Have an array (how large?)? |
| 15:56:55 | [IDC]Dragon | something simple, like only store and flag an event if the space is empty |
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| 15:59:20 | bobTHC | hi all |
| 15:59:47 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: and we need your bluescreen code for this |
| 15:59:58 | [IDC]Dragon | hi bobTHC |
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| 16:04:33 | bobTHC | iriver dev run amazingly quick |
| 16:05:09 | bobTHC | :) and is a very good news for all |
| 16:05:27 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I think Zagor was right. The display looks very blueish if the contrast is set to maximum with white backlight, especially if grayscale content is displayed. Remember, this was observed after run-away rockbox did all sorts of weird things, including arbitrary changes of other lcd parameters as well (like roll) |
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| 16:08:52 | bobTHC | sweedish wizards always rocks! new dev device, new challenge, and new big amount of work! but nothing is impossible for wizards ;) |
| 16:09:27 | bobTHC | ^swedish |
| 16:17:34 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: mine looks especially blueish |
| 16:17:45 | [IDC]Dragon | with high contrast |
| 16:18:03 | [IDC]Dragon | well, the setting is not really contrast, but bias |
| 16:18:30 | [IDC]Dragon | (why should we lower the contrast on a b/w display?) |
| 16:18:55 | * | [IDC]Dragon has to reboot |
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| 16:34:07 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: still at work? |
| 16:34:42 | amiconn | yup |
| 16:35:09 | [IDC]Dragon | if you're lucky, you have the board back today |
| 16:35:23 | [IDC]Dragon | else tomorrow |
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| 18:19:06 | [IDC]Dragon | home |
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| 21:08:35 | [IDC]Dragon | hi again |
| 21:08:37 | amiconn | hi again |
| 21:08:41 | [IDC]Dragon | ;-) |
| 21:08:48 | Bagder | hi again |
| 21:09:22 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Good news! The board arrived today. I already assembled the player, it works :-)) |
| 21:09:31 | [IDC]Dragon | wow, great! |
| 21:09:57 | [IDC]Dragon | now you got work to do? |
| 21:10:18 | amiconn | Yup, now comes the fun part |
| 21:10:42 | [IDC]Dragon | dinner time |
| 21:45:41 | [IDC]Dragon | back again |
| 21:46:12 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: do you need the authoring tool, template and batch file? |
| 21:46:30 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I could need some help with the make_firmware thingy. I built a firmware file, however, firmware_flash.rock refuses to flash it (eBadPlatform) |
| 21:46:50 | [IDC]Dragon | probably the "platform ID" |
| 21:47:17 | amiconn | Yes, I already suspected this. The template file is the original ROM dump, correct? |
| 21:47:37 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, the first 256 byte are sufficient |
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| 21:48:09 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Platform ID is 0xFB, which is 0 in my original ROM. You defined the player platform Id to be 2... |
| 21:48:12 | [IDC]Dragon | and I added a platform ID, byte 0xFB needs to be 0x02 |
| 21:48:26 | amiconn | Simply patching that is enough? |
| 21:48:31 | [IDC]Dragon | yes |
| 21:48:55 | [IDC]Dragon | while at it, you should patch a 0x01 into 0xFA |
| 21:49:13 | amiconn | What's 0xFA ? |
| 21:49:18 | [IDC]Dragon | very recent addition: the boot loader version |
| 21:50:06 | amiconn | Do you have uncommitted changes for the flash tools and/ or bootloader? |
| 21:50:06 | [IDC]Dragon | not mandatory, but makes it possibe to phase out old booloaders |
| 21:50:11 | [IDC]Dragon | no |
| 21:50:27 | [IDC]Dragon | just a convenience batch file to call it |
| 21:50:42 | [IDC]Dragon | I patched the templates "by hand" |
| 21:51:09 | amiconn | Already done, a hex editor is your friend here :) |
| 21:51:15 | [IDC]Dragon | same here |
| 21:51:40 | [IDC]Dragon | boot loader and tool compilation went OK? |
| 21:51:47 | amiconn | yup |
| 21:52:30 | amiconn | bootloader is sh stuff anyway, and the necessary tools are single source files, easy to compile under cygwin (even to be run outside of cygwin) |
| 21:53:20 | [IDC]Dragon | the HP power polarity in the bootloader was wrong, I guess? |
| 21:53:24 | [IDC]Dragon | HD |
| 21:53:58 | amiconn | yes, already corrected. Plus I added the Port C button checking for player, enabling - / Play / + |
| 21:54:30 | amiconn | Btw: That rom dump is funny. While the version word clearly says 506 (and rockbox says 5.06 in the debug menu as well), archos says 5.08 on startup |
| 21:54:56 | [IDC]Dragon | I suggest you leave the baudrate for the "emergency boot" at 14400, like the Ondio |
| 21:55:17 | amiconn | I did (though I would really prefer 38400) |
| 21:55:20 | [IDC]Dragon | which needs my older uart_boot... |
| 21:55:32 | [IDC]Dragon | for you experiments, feel free |
| 21:55:45 | [IDC]Dragon | I mean, for the distribution |
| 21:55:50 | amiconn | I can always uart_boot, no flash minimon involved |
| 21:56:08 | [IDC]Dragon | may be handy later |
| 21:56:08 | amiconn | (but then I should test flash minimon...) |
| 21:56:44 | [IDC]Dragon | at the Ondio, I used the "hard" uart boot only once |
| 21:57:06 | [IDC]Dragon | from then on, pressing "right" was much more convenient |
| 21:58:12 | [IDC]Dragon | with my non-intrusive MMC dummy adapter |
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| 22:03:52 | amiconn | I did the flash now. Although it seems to have worked (the unit started properly with the archos image, as there is no second image yet), after disconnecting and reconnecting power, the display doesn't work anymore :( |
| 22:04:58 | [IDC]Dragon | strange, because the Player has no 2nd level loader |
| 22:05:24 | [IDC]Dragon | the boot rom directly descrambles the final image |
| 22:05:54 | [IDC]Dragon | so the image can't rely on other port inits, etc. |
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| 22:06:56 | amiconn | The archos firmware obviously starts, and loads rockbox from disk. I am even able to play music, just the display doesn't show anything |
| 22:07:19 | [IDC]Dragon | I have no clue |
| 22:09:41 | amiconn | Even uart_boot doesn't want to work anymore :(( |
| 22:09:44 | [IDC]Dragon | why no Rockbox in your image? |
| 22:09:59 | [IDC]Dragon | oops |
| 22:10:31 | [IDC]Dragon | that sounds impossible |
| 22:11:02 | amiconn | Hangs on "downloading monitor..." forever |
| 22:11:26 | [IDC]Dragon | hard uart_boot, or with keypress? |
| 22:11:32 | amiconn | hard |
| 22:11:56 | [IDC]Dragon | have you used it today already? |
| 22:12:09 | amiconn | Yes, several times. |
| 22:12:21 | [IDC]Dragon | so I didn't break it |
| 22:13:00 | [IDC]Dragon | leave the box off for a longer time |
| 22:13:21 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe something is very persistant |
| 22:14:16 | amiconn | Hmm, now it seems to work again ?¿?¿? |
| 22:14:24 | [IDC]Dragon | phew |
| 22:14:40 | [IDC]Dragon | marginal levels? |
| 22:14:59 | amiconn | Powering an open box on&off at will seems to be rather unreliable |
| 22:15:05 | [IDC]Dragon | power-on sequence box/converter ? |
| 22:18:16 | amiconn | Maybe powering the HD early in the loader causes problems. The player archos image does shutdown immediately if the on button is not pressed at start. So if I connect power, the box (and hd) get powered for a *very* short time |
| 22:18:51 | amiconn | It works when I connect main power while holding On |
| 22:19:30 | [IDC]Dragon | hmm, what a pity |
| 22:20:06 | [IDC]Dragon | the recorders also get a current pulse, with their disks being on by h/w default |
| 22:20:23 | amiconn | How do I calculate the rom start address for the second image? Simply the image size (with only 1 image in), rounded up to sector size? |
| 22:20:27 | [IDC]Dragon | wait, doesn't the boot loader check for external power? |
| 22:20:42 | amiconn | It does not (yet) |
| 22:20:56 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, that might be the main problem |
| 22:21:23 | [IDC]Dragon | image size: yes |
| 22:21:27 | amiconn | I don't power from the socket, but only by connecting my psu to the battery contacts |
| 22:21:31 | [IDC]Dragon | want to build rombox? |
| 22:21:39 | amiconn | yes (already did) |
| 22:22:24 | amiconn | Loader and first image only consume 52 KB (already rounded) :) |
| 22:22:26 | [IDC]Dragon | real precisely, it's image size minus the 4 CRC bytes, rounded up to next sector |
| 22:22:51 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, the player image is very small |
| 22:23:59 | amiconn | Trying rockbox.ucl at first... |
| 22:24:19 | amiconn | Wow, quick! |
| 22:24:21 | [IDC]Dragon | at first? |
| 22:25:11 | amiconn | I mean before tryingf rombox.ucl |
| 22:25:16 | amiconn | *trying |
| 22:25:20 | [IDC]Dragon | ah |
| 22:25:52 | amiconn | Cold start -> no display :( |
| 22:25:57 | [IDC]Dragon | people say, the Player starts pretty quick already, much faster than Recoder? |
| 22:26:16 | [IDC]Dragon | (without flashing, of course) |
| 22:27:01 | amiconn | Well, the startup itself is quicker than non-flashed recorder, but clearly slower than flashed recorder. Plus, you have to hold "On" rather long before it starts to boot |
| 22:27:12 | [IDC]Dragon | but you already had cold-started display, with uart_boot? |
| 22:27:19 | amiconn | Yes. |
| 22:27:58 | amiconn | Maybe the startup is too fast here, leaving no time for the lcd controller to get ready |
| 22:28:10 | [IDC]Dragon | haha |
| 22:30:27 | amiconn | No, really. I think that could be possible (perhaps some slow reset circuit) |
| 22:31:37 | amiconn | Hmm. Archos (started via "-" + On) works when I disconnect the serial converter power |
| 22:32:21 | amiconn | Btw, that is the cause for the lcd controller holding data eternally. As long as the serial converter is powered, it feeds a little power through the serial line(s) |
| 22:32:25 | [IDC]Dragon | else not? |
| 22:33:05 | amiconn | No (how?) |
| 22:33:39 | [IDC]Dragon | I meant "Archos (started via "-" + On) works when I disconnect the serial converter power" with else not? |
| 22:34:12 | amiconn | Rockbox now also works (that dreaded power off&on again too fast problem) |
| 22:34:32 | [IDC]Dragon | ? |
| 22:36:03 | amiconn | I really have to keep the dc power disconnected long enough to ensure a proper start afterwards |
| 22:37:30 | amiconn | Buffer: 1.830 MB :) (rombox) |
| 22:37:48 | [IDC]Dragon | a new record, I think |
| 22:38:28 | amiconn | No, I have 1.845 MB on my Ondio (minimized max_files_per_dir and max_playlist_size) |
| 22:38:28 | [IDC]Dragon | do you want a 5.08 dump, for the "official" release? |
| 22:38:53 | amiconn | Is that the .bin you already sent me? It's identical to mine... |
| 22:39:08 | [IDC]Dragon | I've sent you one? |
| 22:40:04 | amiconn | Yes, 10 days ago. That was the one I tested booting archos via uart_boot with |
| 22:40:20 | [IDC]Dragon | my 5.08 player ucl is 48403 bytes |
| 22:40:38 | [IDC]Dragon | 5.06 is 48393 bytes |
| 22:41:33 | amiconn | 48403 bytes here, too. That's the one that says "5.08" on boot, but has the version field set to 506... |
| 22:42:17 | amiconn | Otherwise firmware_flash wouldn't work. It checks for <= 506 |
| 22:42:42 | [IDC]Dragon | the version field has to stay, for players |
| 22:42:53 | [IDC]Dragon | kind of our hardware mask |
| 22:42:59 | amiconn | Yes I know. |
| 22:43:21 | amiconn | Hmm, sometimes it works and sometimes not. Maybe the delay loops aren't unnecessary after all? |
| 22:44:17 | [IDC]Dragon | the extracted image has no version field, only the memory dump has |
| 22:44:31 | amiconn | I wanted to do the same you did with your distribution images |
| 22:44:46 | [IDC]Dragon | which is? |
| 22:44:49 | amiconn | Erm, ignore this. I was way scrolled up |
| 22:46:33 | amiconn | Ah, right. The version info is in the dump. My dump says 506, however, the image extracted from that compresses to 48403 bytes, and says 5.08 at boot |
| 22:47:19 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, this is a bit "decoupled", found that with other images, too |
| 22:48:47 | amiconn | Hmm, rockbox doesn't properly init the display if it's started "really cold", i.e. with connecting battery power. If I start archos first in that case, rockbox does work later on. Maybe there is a hardware init that needs to be only done when connecting battery power? |
| 22:50:22 | [IDC]Dragon | dunno, can you test this "really cold" with uart_boot, too? |
| 22:51:03 | amiconn | With uart_boot, rockbox coldstart always works |
| 22:51:33 | amiconn | Grr, n |
| 22:51:51 | amiconn | ow it worked!? |
| 22:53:02 | amiconn | Btw, I noticed I need to init the backlight port bit to output. As it is now, the backlight is always on |
| 22:54:40 | amiconn | It's really a power problem. I need to wait at least 30 secs before I can expect it to start properly |
| 22:56:57 | amiconn | Minimon works too (flashing red led) |
| 22:57:15 | [IDC]Dragon | ok |
| 22:57:55 | amiconn | -spindown doesn't work |
| 22:58:30 | [IDC]Dragon | that code is not suitable for Player |
| 22:59:09 | amiconn | Yes, I suspected that. The bootloader now spins the disk, but minimon is not able to stop it... |
| 22:59:21 | [IDC]Dragon | in uart_boot, I mean |
| 22:59:29 | amiconn | Ah. |
| 22:59:45 | amiconn | It's just setting port bits I guess? |
| 22:59:54 | [IDC]Dragon | minimon is innocent |
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| 23:00:01 | [IDC]Dragon | and dumb |
| 23:00:14 | amiconn | ..and sometimes deaf ;-) |
| 23:00:27 | [IDC]Dragon | lol |
| 23:00:36 | [IDC]Dragon | it once was an ATA command, but now is a port bit |
| 23:01:41 | amiconn | uart_boot already has an option to distinguish player from recorders, -r |
| 23:01:59 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, the spindown code needs an if() |
| 23:02:03 | amiconn | That could be used to use the different power down for players |
| 23:02:05 | amiconn | :) |
| 23:02:36 | amiconn | I'd have to figure how to compile uart_boot on cygwin, as it uses multiple source files |
| 23:03:10 | [IDC]Dragon | do a make file |
| 23:03:34 | amiconn | Yes... if only I knew more about those beasts :-/ |
| 23:06:06 | [IDC]Dragon | I can try to export a makefile |
| 23:06:39 | amiconn | Yes, that might be a starting point (no msvc either here or at work) |
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| 23:09:54 | [IDC]Dragon | gives a complicated file... |
| 23:10:34 | amiconn | Do you have an idea whether the might be no_rom players? |
| 23:11:03 | [IDC]Dragon | I doubt it, but don't know |
| 23:12:07 | amiconn | I should not build a _norom.bin without being able to test it. |
| 23:12:17 | [IDC]Dragon | mail on the way |
| 23:12:50 | amiconn | The cvs uart_boot is 14400 baud? |
| 23:13:02 | [IDC]Dragon | agreed, let a user report no_rom first |
| 23:13:11 | [IDC]Dragon | 14400, yes |
| 23:13:30 | [IDC]Dragon | I should make a switch |
| 23:19:09 | amiconn | I get loads of undefined references: |
| 23:19:25 | amiconn | _SLEEP, _GET_LAST_ERR, _Sleep |
| 23:20:08 | [IDC]Dragon | probably some Win32 libraries missing |
| 23:20:13 | amiconn | Ah, needed to add -mno-cygwin :) |
| 23:21:35 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm adding your power-down now |
| 23:22:16 | amiconn | I should commit that rather crude makefile. uart_boot is currently windows only anyway. |
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| 23:26:54 | [IDC]Dragon | want a spindown uart_boot? |
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| 23:28:20 | amiconn | compiling with -Wall throws a number of warnings (int format mixup, an unused variable) |
| 23:28:52 | [IDC]Dragon | do you get an .exe? |
| 23:28:59 | amiconn | yes |
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| 23:29:36 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Interested in the warnings? |
| 23:30:18 | [IDC]Dragon | let me try level 4 here |
| 23:30:24 | amiconn | spindown version: yes please, for a first test. Already committed? |
| 23:30:35 | amiconn | level 4 ?? |
| 23:30:56 | amiconn | Btw, all warnings belong to client.c |
| 23:31:19 | [IDC]Dragon | level 4 means most picky compiler |
| 23:31:36 | [IDC]Dragon | I don't get any meaningful here |
| 23:31:51 | amiconn | gcc -O -W -Wall -mno-cygwin uart_boot.c client.c flash.c uart_win.c -o uart_boot |
| 23:31:51 | amiconn | client.c: In function `ConfigFirstlevelPlayer': |
| 23:31:51 | amiconn | client.c:18: warning: int format, long unsigned int arg (arg 2) |
| 23:31:51 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK amiconn |
| 23:31:51 | amiconn | client.c:27: warning: int format, long unsigned int arg (arg 2) |
| 23:31:51 | amiconn | client.c: In function `ConfigFirstlevelRecorder': |
| 23:31:51 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 23:31:51 | amiconn | client.c:51: warning: int format, long unsigned int arg (arg 2) |
| 23:31:53 | amiconn | client.c:69: warning: int format, long unsigned int arg (arg 2) |
| 23:31:55 | amiconn | client.c: In function `DownloadByte': |
| 23:31:57 | amiconn | client.c:81: warning: unused variable `bRecorder' |
| 23:31:59 | amiconn | client.c: In function `DownloadArchosMonitor': |
| 23:32:15 | amiconn | client.c:233: warning: int format, long unsigned int arg (arg 2) |
| 23:33:22 | amiconn | Probably all those printf()'s need %ud instead of %d |
| 23:33:38 | [IDC]Dragon | yes |
| 23:34:28 | amiconn | Doesn't work either (slightly changed warning though) |
| 23:34:42 | [IDC]Dragon | just %u |
| 23:34:44 | [IDC]Dragon | ? |
| 23:35:32 | [IDC]Dragon | or something like %ul |
| 23:35:36 | amiconn | -> client.c:18: warning: unsigned int format, long unsigned int arg (arg 2) |
| 23:36:39 | amiconn | It's %lu |
| 23:37:16 | amiconn | Could you check with msvc? |
| 23:37:54 | [IDC]Dragon | the compiler doesn't check, you only know at runtime |
| 23:38:16 | amiconn | What about that unised variable? |
| 23:38:23 | amiconn | *unused |
| 23:38:29 | [IDC]Dragon | he's right |
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| 23:39:26 | [IDC]Dragon | %lu should be correct |
| 23:41:12 | amiconn | Now it compiles without warning, and it works :) |
| 23:41:52 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 23:43:07 | [IDC]Dragon | nice |
| 23:43:29 | [IDC]Dragon | I'll commit client.c and the spindown |
| 23:43:33 | amiconn | I have a number of changes (many files had no final line feed) |
| 23:43:53 | [IDC]Dragon | then you go first ;-) |
| 23:44:42 | [IDC]Dragon | tell me when I should merge |
| 23:44:55 | amiconn | Committed. |
| 23:46:29 | [IDC]Dragon | me too |
| 23:46:56 | [IDC]Dragon | please update uart_boot.c |
| 23:47:29 | [IDC]Dragon | oops, I committed the 38400 baud |
| 23:47:38 | amiconn | I just wanted to ask... |
| 23:48:15 | [IDC]Dragon | this will not work for the builtin minimon |
| 23:48:20 | amiconn | The new version has many changes against the old... |
| 23:48:38 | [IDC]Dragon | the test function is different |
| 23:49:05 | [IDC]Dragon | I was playing with a memory test, for Jake's box |
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| 23:49:21 | amiconn | Sticky bit box |
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| 23:49:36 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, but it wasn't the DRAM |
| 23:50:29 | amiconn | I can only test spindown with the builtin minimon, as the boot rom does not spin the disk |
| 23:50:50 | [IDC]Dragon | obvious, yes |
| 23:51:15 | [IDC]Dragon | there's 2 places with a 38400 |
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| 23:52:25 | [IDC]Dragon | -b is already taken, for a baudrate option |
| 23:52:29 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: 4 new warnings :( |
| 23:52:46 | amiconn | uart_boot.c: In function `main': |
| 23:52:46 | amiconn | uart_boot.c:381: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned |
| 23:52:46 | amiconn | uart_boot.c:402: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned |
| 23:52:46 | amiconn | uart_boot.c:424: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned |
| 23:52:47 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 23:52:47 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 23:52:47 | amiconn | uart_boot.c:441: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned |
| 23:52:47 | [IDC]Dragon | prinf's, let me guess |
| 23:53:32 | [IDC]Dragon | different, aha |
| 23:53:46 | [IDC]Dragon | perhaps I should remove that memory test |
| 23:54:00 | [IDC]Dragon | and place a baudrate switch there |
| 23:54:47 | amiconn | Iirc the minimon understands a command to set the baud rate. Couldn't you use that? |
| 23:54:57 | [IDC]Dragon | yes |
| 23:55:15 | [IDC]Dragon | like the init does, too |
| 23:55:35 | amiconn | So the builtin minimon does 14400 by default, but uart_boot allows to switch to 38400 if desired |
| 23:55:49 | [IDC]Dragon | exactly |
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