| 00:03:10 | matsl | its displayed under debug. |
| 00:04:28 | matsl | 5.06 is displayed on boot. |
| 00:05:04 | amiconn | Ok, thanks. |
| 00:05:25 | amiconn | Would you mind to do a small test? |
| 00:06:14 | matsl | if i can. i'm off to bed soon. |
| 00:06:57 | amiconn | I tried to employ hardware disk poweroff on the players, to get more runtime. While this works on my player without problems (5.06/5.08), it doesn't work on Linus' player (4.53/4.53). |
| 00:07:23 | matsl | ok |
| 00:07:25 | amiconn | His player shuts down as soon as it tries to spin up the disk again, to save settings |
| 00:07:46 | matsl | hmm.. |
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| 00:08:55 | matsl | is it in CVS or do you have a patch? |
| 00:09:01 | amiconn | I'd ask you to do the following: Load a rockbox build on your player which allows enabling that option. Start it, go to the menu, *wait until the disk spun down, to be safe*, then reset the settings and set HD powerdown to on |
| 00:09:55 | amiconn | It's "almost" in cvs, you merely have to add #define HAVE_ATA_POWER_OFF to config-player.h |
| 00:10:38 | amiconn | If you then leave the menu and try to play some music, it might work - or poweroff (and not save the settings) - when trying to spinup again. |
| 00:10:51 | matsl | ok. I can't do it tonight i'm afraid. maybe tomorrow. |
| 00:11:43 | amiconn | This is why I said *wait until...*, because if you don't, it might be that this setting gets saved... however, this would still be recoverable, without soldering |
| 00:12:44 | matsl | without soldering, huh, sounds interesting ;-) |
| 00:14:44 | amiconn | I mean, if this wrong setting gets saved, and your box has the same problem as Linus', it would shutdown as soon as it tries to spin up the disk again, not allowing you to save the correct setting again. However, this would be solvable by using the archos USB mode to put a rockbox build without that patch in again, the resetting the settings |
| 00:15:05 | amiconn | *then |
| 00:15:41 | matsl | ok. i'll try to look at it tomorrow. |
| 00:15:55 | amiconn | Nice :) |
| 00:16:28 | matsl | i hope so ;-) |
| 00:16:31 | matsl | cu |
| 00:16:37 | amiconn | Nite |
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| 00:24:07 | amiconn | LinusN: What do you think about my oldplayer vs. newplayer version findings? Where did the 4.51 come from, back in time? |
| 00:25:05 | LinusN | i don't remember actually |
| 00:25:21 | LinusN | guesswork, i think |
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| 02:19:11 | jennfray | Question... Do all of the archos Jukeboxes use the same power unit/adapter for recharging? |
| 02:23:45 | amiconn | No. |
| 02:24:06 | amiconn | The players and V1 recorders use a 9V 600mA adapter, while the FM and V2 recorders use a 6V 700mA adapter |
| 02:24:18 | amiconn | (unregulated, center positive) |
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| 02:25:13 | jennfray | Thanks. |
| 02:25:57 | jennfray | Is there a place to get a cheap charger for the V2 recorders, or should I just get the official one from Archos? |
| 02:28:39 | amiconn | Hmm. I think you can just pick a cheap charger with the required parameters (although that may void the warranty), but where to get one depends on where you live. |
| 02:29:00 | jennfray | I'm guessing radio shack might have it. |
| 02:29:49 | jennfray | What about the Multimedia 20 gig. Is that charger different than the V2 recorder one? |
| 02:29:58 | amiconn | I have no idea |
| 02:30:44 | jennfray | ok, thanks for your help |
| 02:32:15 | amiconn | On the archos website it looks like they are compatible |
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| 02:35:05 | jennfray | Yes, I just looked. It looks liek the Jukebox Multimedia uses the same as the FM recorder. |
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| 04:28:24 | void_ | amiconn: you here? |
| 04:31:34 | void_ | hrm anyone know what to do when you get read access errors ? I decharged it and fully charged, I reformatted, the leads look ok, I'm not sure what to do now |
| 04:31:43 | void_ | changed the battiers |
| 04:31:46 | void_ | batteries |
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| 08:54:01 | LinusN | amiconn: i'm about to commit the metronome tap patch |
| 08:54:17 | LinusN | but i'm not sure which key to use for the ondio |
| 08:54:44 | LinusN | up/down is used for the menu, left/right for the tempo |
| 08:54:53 | LinusN | off is used to leave |
| 08:55:04 | amiconn | (morning) |
| 08:55:05 | LinusN | and menu is used for play/pause |
| 08:55:11 | LinusN | hehe, morning :-) |
| 08:55:44 | chendo | button combo! |
| 08:56:24 | LinusN | one could change pause to be MENU|REPEAT |
| 08:56:35 | LinusN | and use MENU for the tapping |
| 08:57:23 | amiconn | ..or use some clever algorith |
| 08:57:26 | amiconn | m |
| 08:58:06 | amiconn | An no, wouldn't work :( |
| 08:58:13 | amiconn | *Ah |
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| 08:58:44 | Zagor | happy birthday bagder |
| 08:59:20 | void_ | amiconn: I checked the leads on my player and they seem to be ok |
| 08:59:35 | void_ | not really sure what else to check for |
| 08:59:42 | void_ | I bought brand new batteries |
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| 09:00:07 | void_ | charged them to full it worked then with about half way power I kept on getting read errors |
| 09:00:19 | void_ | then I charged to full again and it still does it |
| 09:00:39 | void_ | and USB doesn't work on it |
| 09:02:08 | amiconn | void_: What harddsik model do you have? (check under Debug->View disk info). What rockbox version did you run before 2.3? |
| 09:02:35 | void_ | I can't get into it |
| 09:02:41 | void_ | I ran a cvs version I think |
| 09:02:41 | amiconn | LinusN: Imho there are a number of options: |
| 09:03:20 | amiconn | (1) Do what you suggested (short/long menu). That would make the normal use a bit more cumbersome (long menu for start/stop) |
| 09:04:00 | amiconn | (2) Start-Stop = short Menu as now, Tap = Menu+Right, i.e. one would hold menu, then tap with the Right button |
| 09:04:45 | LinusN | amiconn: (1) would only use long press to stop, and short to start again |
| 09:04:53 | amiconn | (3) Move volume from Up/Don to Menu+Left/Right (a bit unobvious). Then there are 2 free buttons |
| 09:07:15 | amiconn | I think your (1+) suggestion might be not too bad after all. |
| 09:07:50 | amiconn | Just change the info string accordingly (pause: menu...) to indicate long menu |
| 09:08:01 | LinusN | I think i'll go for that, it's the least intrusive option |
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| 11:40:21 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: do you read? |
| 11:56:38 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I am here |
| 11:57:54 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm close to buy a "real" MMC card |
| 11:58:27 | [IDC]Dragon | in your datasheet studies, have you found a feature or so which I should care about? |
| 11:59:46 | amiconn | My MMC driver doesn't use any special feature (that would not work on all cards). |
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| 12:00:30 | [IDC]Dragon | I also mean, like spped in an external reader |
| 12:00:31 | amiconn | There is a nice feature (in Hitachi cards iirc) - read/ write multiple blocks with a predefined count. This eliminates the need for the special end sequence |
| 12:00:51 | [IDC]Dragon | s/spped/speed |
| 12:01:02 | amiconn | If you can, you may look for a card with short access times |
| 12:01:41 | amiconn | So far all cards that I got reports for support the full 20 MBit/s transfer speed (25 MBit/s for SD cards) |
| 12:02:36 | [IDC]Dragon | so they would be faster in an external (USB2) reader |
| 12:04:11 | amiconn | You can use your Ondio as MMC tester. The access times to look for are Tsac, Nsac and R2W factor |
| 12:04:42 | [IDC]Dragon | not suitable for mail order... |
| 12:05:09 | amiconn | true |
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| 15:42:38 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: r u there? |
| 15:42:52 | [IDC]Dragon | yes |
| 15:44:24 | amiconn | Do you have a collection of different player rom dumps? |
| 15:44:36 | [IDC]Dragon | I have some, yes |
| 15:45:20 | amiconn | Btw, I checked the latest archos player fw: it uses the ata power port bit regardless whether old or new player, but only uses that info for the lcd differences |
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| 15:45:46 | webguest66 | hi |
| 15:45:50 | LinusN | hi |
| 15:45:58 | [IDC]Dragon | so the bit is not "harmful" on others |
| 15:46:08 | LinusN | good |
| 15:46:09 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I would be interested in these dumps, especially if you have oldplayer dumps |
| 15:46:20 | [IDC]Dragon | the LCD, you certainly need to know |
| 15:46:35 | [IDC]Dragon | I can email them this evening |
| 15:46:37 | webguest66 | I was wondering if I could help with the iriver port? and what would be usefull for me to do |
| 15:46:39 | webguest66 | ? |
| 15:46:56 | LinusN | webguest66: programmer? |
| 15:47:35 | webguest66 | yep I work in the automotive sector |
| 15:47:51 | LinusN | do you know dsp stuff? |
| 15:47:52 | webguest66 | c,c and some java |
| 15:48:08 | [IDC]Dragon | you can do the car stereo adapter ;-) |
| 15:48:14 | LinusN | lol |
| 15:48:43 | webguest66 | well I can design and build BMW adapters to tiy in with the exsisting controls whe a buss is used |
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| 15:49:30 | Zagor | is the bwm bus protocol public? |
| 15:50:04 | * | Zagor is waiting for a Mini Cooper, with bmw stereo |
| 15:50:22 | Bagder | CD only or cassette? |
| 15:50:26 | Zagor | cd |
| 15:50:37 | Zagor | and aux in, amazingly |
| 15:50:43 | * | Bagder faints |
| 15:50:54 | LinusN | luxury |
| 15:51:21 | webguest66 | yes and no depending on car and age depends on the buss and how it is used and what is tyed in to it i.e. on hier end modles the frount panell is a bus enabled device that can comunicat with any devive on other modles it is still hard whired |
| 15:52:02 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: I have the ROM dumps on my box. Do you want them now? |
| 15:52:14 | webguest66 | but the basic protocalls are public but the exact flavor and set up varys a lot |
| 15:52:32 | Zagor | webguest66: ok |
| 15:54:06 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: I can offer 3.18, 4.09, 4.53, 5.05, 5.06, 5.08 |
| 15:54:26 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: It's sufficient to have them available in the evening ;) Basically I want to check how the version checks and lcd control routines vary between versions |
| 15:54:35 | [IDC]Dragon | ok |
| 15:54:46 | amiconn | You can leave out 5.08, as I already have that |
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| 15:56:17 | [IDC]Dragon | some are already unpacked, some not |
| 15:57:23 | amiconn | The extract tool compiles fine under cygwin, so np |
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| 16:03:00 | webguest66 | so is the progres indicator on the wiki upto date? |
| 16:03:46 | Bagder | you mean for iRiver? I believe it is |
| 16:04:59 | webguest66 | yep that is what I ment |
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| 16:17:32 | ripnet | has PaulS reappeared? his tests booting code on an unmodded iRiver looked very hopeful |
| 16:18:52 | Bagder | I don't know |
| 16:28:55 | ripnet | cya |
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| 19:44:03 | bobTHC | hi |
| 19:49:10 | bobTHC | do you think it's possible to add a fonction to the playlist manager to mix all track in the playlist to increase the "always play same track" of the ramdom algorithm |
| 19:49:12 | bobTHC | ?? |
| 19:52:22 | bobTHC | because i love use big ramdomize playlist and it's oddly always the same tracks played... |
| 19:57:40 | bobTHC | or perhaps it's better to use a "already played flag" to skip the "always play same track".... |
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| 20:36:24 | amiconn | bobTHC: What do you mean? The playlist shuffle algorithm *is* designed in a way that all tracks of the list are played in a random order, but no track is played twice. |
| 20:41:23 | amiconn | What rockbox version do you run? If it is 2.3, then this may be the problem. There were some bugs in the playlist handling that were fixed just some days ago. I suggest installing a daily build |
| 20:50:16 | bobTHC | oki thanx for, i'll go download it now :) |
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| 22:19:04 | amiconn | hi again, [IDC]Dragon |
| 22:19:18 | [IDC]Dragon | hello |
| 22:19:28 | [IDC]Dragon | busy disassembling? |
| 22:20:12 | amiconn | No? I didn't get your mail yet. In fact, I did not get any mail today, and the t-online mail server either timeouts or gives pop3 errors :( |
| 22:20:42 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, I sent it like 2.5 hours ago |
| 22:21:21 | amiconn | I just tested my ata init retry idea - works fine, both on player & recorder :) It only retries when starting from archos charging screen :)) |
| 22:21:38 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Firewall? |
| 22:21:46 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe |
| 22:22:03 | [IDC]Dragon | but DCC has worked, in rare cases |
| 22:22:37 | amiconn | You can send it to my other (quite new) mail account (pm) |
| 22:57:06 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: A question regarding io_address_detect(), as you changed this to use the hw mask: |
| 22:57:37 | amiconn | Are you sure that *all* players have io_address == 0x300 ? |
| 22:58:14 | [IDC]Dragon | I can never be sure, but nobody complained(?) |
| 22:59:05 | amiconn | Okay, that's what I thought too. |
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| 23:01:06 | amiconn | ATA retry committed |
| 23:03:00 | | Quit methangas (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it") |
| 23:03:34 | [IDC]Dragon | ooks good |
| 23:03:38 | [IDC]Dragon | looks |
| 23:05:28 | amiconn | I've seen that you added the Ondio to the port pin tables. This info could now be removed from the Ondio topic. |
| 23:05:55 | [IDC]Dragon | not fully, the comments are not in the other |
| 23:06:32 | amiconn | I'm thinking of adding a hardware mask table, but I'm not sure whether to add this to the port pin topic, or to a separate topic |
| 23:06:32 | [IDC]Dragon | or do you consider them outdated, redundant ? |
| 23:07:49 | amiconn | Most of them could be removed imho. A few should be kept, possibly within the port pin table. |
| 23:08:46 | amiconn | The port pin table also does not list the possible variations as with the other devices (PA12 may be swapped according to the mask, Samsung vs. Philips tuner etc) |
| 23:10:42 | amiconn | Imho longer comments/ descriptions in the port pin tables should be moved to footnotes anyway. The tables are quite wide now, I get double-line tables cells even on my hi-res screen (1400x1050) |
| 23:12:01 | [IDC]Dragon | perhaps, but footnotes are also hard to read |
| 23:15:11 | amiconn | I don't think so. The table should give you a quick overview, and the footnotes would contain more details. They could also be linked. |
| 23:18:45 | amiconn | Alternatively, the details could be put into the table cell after a line break and marked with <small> tags. |
| 23:19:24 | [IDC]Dragon | feel free to improve :-) |
| 23:25:04 | amiconn | I'm not sure whether I should hold back the player flash package until Linus got around doing some tests... I don't want to break someones player |
| 23:25:30 | [IDC]Dragon | I know that feeling |
| 23:25:50 | [IDC]Dragon | we could restrict it to new players for now |
| 23:26:50 | [IDC]Dragon | btw, you didn't dare to change that detection, to your findings? |
| 23:27:33 | amiconn | I just did not do it yet. I'll probably do after checking the other versions' disassemblies |
| 23:31:10 | amiconn | I could try booting my player with the older newplayer firmwares... |
| 23:31:32 | amiconn | ..by uart_boot of course |
| 23:32:46 | [IDC]Dragon | why? |
| 23:33:46 | amiconn | Just as another check whether the archos firmware is hardware version dependent (other than old vs new player). |
| 23:34:07 | [IDC]Dragon | you can also rolo it |
| 23:34:10 | | Quit AciD (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 23:34:32 | [IDC]Dragon | or ucl-flash it |
| 23:34:42 | amiconn | Rolo would require the update versions of the firmware, instead of the flash images (?) |
| 23:34:56 | amiconn | Plus, it would not test the cold start ability |
| 23:35:09 | | Join AciD [0] (~gni@acid.user) |
| 23:35:10 | [IDC]Dragon | no, the image contains an ajz |
| 23:35:20 | amiconn | ucl-flashing would be an option, yes. |
| 23:36:18 | amiconn | I remember that you said some time ago that the firmware version extracted from a rom image is not identical to a disk update version with the same version number. Perhaps I remember wrong? |
| 23:36:45 | [IDC]Dragon | no, this is correct |
| 23:37:19 | [IDC]Dragon | the disk update version is probably stripped by the inits |
| 23:38:01 | [IDC]Dragon | meaning, you can rolo (or disk-boot) a rom version, but should not flash a disk version |
| 23:38:19 | amiconn | Ah ok. Just wanted to ask that :) |
| 23:43:14 | | Join gromit [0] (~gromit@m117.net81-65-8.noos.fr) |
| 23:45:04 | | Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
| 23:45:21 | LinusN | amiconn: latest cvs works fine on my oldplayer |
| 23:45:38 | LinusN | you want me to uart boot it? |
| 23:45:42 | amiconn | LinusN: coldstarted via uart? |
| 23:46:18 | amiconn | Yes. If possible, please try uart booting both latest cvs rockbox, and latest archos.bin (5.08) |
| 23:46:25 | LinusN | i haven't prepared it for uart booting |
| 23:46:58 | LinusN | and i don't have time for it tonight |
| 23:47:20 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Old/newplayer version checks are identical in all 5.x archos version. 4.53 doesnt check for that strange 1.16, and older versions do no checks at all (surprise ;) ) |
| 23:48:01 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: perhaps you can rolo the 5.08 flash version, that's a quick check |
| 23:49:19 | amiconn | LinusN: The fact that latest cvs rockbox is working means the added inits don't break anything, but it doesn't mean they do all they should :-/ |
| 23:50:29 | LinusN | exactly |
| 23:52:48 | amiconn | LinusN: Testing the archos 5.08 flash version with rolo might be a good idea after all |
| 23:53:29 | LinusN | will do |
| 23:53:46 | LinusN | amiconn: did you want my original scans of the different archos models? |
| 23:54:19 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: you probably need 5.08.ajz from one of us then? |
| 23:54:55 | LinusN | yup |
| 23:54:55 | amiconn | Yes please. I'm thinking of doing a bit of simulator work, adding Eric's patch for using different images (player/recorder/Ondio). Want to use high quality images :) |
| 23:55:01 | LinusN | ajz? |
| 23:55:21 | amiconn | .mod of course |
| 23:55:21 | [IDC]Dragon | mod |
| 23:55:22 | LinusN | amiconn: they are huge :-) |
| 23:56:13 | amiconn | Yeah, of course I will scale them down. I just expect scans to have no geometric distortions, opposite from photos |
| 23:56:49 | amiconn | LinusN: dcc? |
| 23:57:29 | LinusN | amiconn: each scan is 5M |
| 23:57:48 | [IDC]Dragon | Jens, what do you plan with them? |
| 23:57:58 | amiconn | LinusN: Send it to my new mail address (pm) |
| 23:58:55 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: See above |
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