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| 00:45:10 | Digital007 | hi |
| 00:45:43 | Digital007 | does apple sell the white earphones seperately? |
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| 01:01:33 | CrunchyBear | Hey everyone, was hoping someone can help. After a complete format on a 6000 player, rockbox or even the newest archos firmware won't recognise, and it just boots from the initial one ... bit confused. |
| 01:10:04 | Digital007 | crunchybear try reformmatting with FAT32 |
| 01:11:15 | Digital007 | archos wont recognise NTFS |
| 01:11:34 | CrunchyBear | It was just reformatted with FAT32, everything seems to run fine, except picking up the archos.mod |
| 01:13:04 | Digital007 | oh |
| 01:13:19 | CrunchyBear | yeah, heh |
| 01:13:57 | Digital007 | is it flashed |
| 01:13:58 | Digital007 | ? |
| 01:14:45 | CrunchyBear | no, I don't think so ... ? |
| 01:15:06 | Digital007 | dunno |
| 01:15:20 | Digital007 | had a archos recoder once |
| 01:16:38 | Digital007 | wasnt bad at all |
| 01:16:52 | Digital007 | on my 4th mp3 player now |
| 01:17:08 | CrunchyBear | my players been fine for years and years now, never seems to fail me, jolly good players |
| 01:17:28 | Digital007 | yea |
| 01:17:36 | Digital007 | i have an iriver now |
| 01:18:00 | CrunchyBear | ah cool cool |
| 01:18:40 | Digital007 | H120 |
| 01:19:16 | Digital007 | they used to be called ihp-120s before HP made them change the name |
| 01:20:16 | Digital007 | lol |
| 01:21:23 | CrunchyBear | heh |
| 01:22:25 | Digital007 | they said the initials HP was their trademark |
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| 10:27:23 | floof | hi all |
| 10:27:28 | Bagder | hi |
| 10:28:04 | floof | I'm trying to know if the rockbox project is likely to run on a Gmini 220 |
| 10:28:10 | Bagder | it isn't |
| 10:28:18 | floof | will it ? |
| 10:28:27 | Bagder | I doubt that |
| 10:28:31 | floof | why ? |
| 10:28:47 | Bagder | feel free to make it |
| 10:29:14 | floof | i would if i could, but my programming skills are below zero ... |
| 10:29:40 | Bagder | so, the reason is that no owner of a gmini is skilled or determined enough |
| 10:29:58 | Bagder | or gets enough assistance |
| 10:30:22 | Bagder | many of us thinks Archos doesn't deserve rockbox |
| 10:30:34 | Bagder | so we won't go for another archos player |
| 10:30:39 | floof | why ? archos is kick ass !!! |
| 10:30:53 | floof | well, my gmini at least |
| 10:30:53 | Bagder | if it kicks ass, why do you want Rockbox for it? |
| 10:31:35 | floof | because it could bring interressant features ... like battery saving etc ... gapless playback ... |
| 10:31:50 | Bagder | so, then it doesn't kick ass since it lacks basic features |
| 10:32:16 | Bagder | that's how I see it at least |
| 10:36:46 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NonArchos#Gmini |
| 10:38:28 | floof | ok, I'll stick with my old archos firmware ... bye |
| 10:39:07 | dwihno | Bagder: Who do you think "deserves" rockbox? |
| 10:40:09 | Bagder | we! |
| 10:43:19 | dwihno | Talk for yourself ;) |
| 10:43:27 | dwihno | I was thinking about hardware manufacturers. |
| 10:43:34 | dwihno | Anyone been interested in using the rockbox project? |
| 10:43:35 | Bagder | hey, I talk to myself all the time! ;-) |
| 10:44:13 | Bagder | no |
| 10:44:22 | Bagder | but I think Archos has been VERY ignorant |
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| 10:48:11 | amiconn | Bagder: The fact that archos doesn't kick ass because it lacks basic features is imho the very reason why it *needs* rockbox. |
| 10:48:22 | Bagder | I agree |
| 10:48:51 | amiconn | If archos would have been good enough from the start it might have *deserved* rockbox but wouldn't need it |
| 10:49:24 | Bagder | by deserving, I mean that the company could've acted differently |
| 10:49:31 | amiconn | I think there is no current player hw manufacturer that deserved rockbox. |
| 10:49:40 | amiconn | *deserves |
| 10:50:25 | floof | do you need customers like me to ask them for it ... and maube to pressure them ? |
| 10:50:37 | floof | *maybe |
| 10:50:53 | amiconn | I could imagine a company deciding to produce a player that is running rockbox right from the start, and supporting the developers accordingly. |
| 10:51:08 | amiconn | That company would probably deserve rockbox |
| 10:52:12 | LinusN | Neuros |
| 10:52:17 | floof | is there only iriver that deserves RB ? |
| 10:52:50 | LinusN | we don't know if they deserve it or not, we haven't been in touch with them |
| 10:53:45 | amiconn | LinusN: What about Neuros? |
| 10:54:31 | LinusN | they want to build a player for rockbox |
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| 10:58:02 | [IDC]Dragon | OT: my 1 GB MMC arrived |
| 10:58:26 | [IDC]Dragon | and I left the Ondio at home |
| 10:58:39 | amiconn | LinusN: Is that a new device, or the same thing they recently released the sources for? The latter imho doesn't qualify as a device that truly deserves rockbox. |
| 10:58:42 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: no EL modules? |
| 10:58:43 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: :( |
| 10:58:58 | LinusN | amiconn: read again: "want to" |
| 10:59:03 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: EL is coming? :-) |
| 10:59:43 | amiconn | LinusN: Did they contact you or what? |
| 10:59:54 | amiconn | There's nothing in the wiki yet |
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| 11:00:30 | LinusN | amiconn: we're not talking loudly about it, because it is so far only a thought in Joe Born's head |
| 11:00:37 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20040916.txt |
| 11:00:51 | dwihno | LinusN: they want to build the player around the software? :O |
| 11:01:19 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: i have ordered the modules to your address |
| 11:01:36 | [IDC]Dragon | thank you so much |
| 11:02:32 | LinusN | you're welcome |
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| 11:42:03 | amiconn | LinusN: Very interesting chat with JoeBorn indeed. I missed that somehow... |
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| 14:13:31 | till_varoquaux | Hello |
| 14:13:38 | LinusN | hi |
| 14:13:42 | till_varoquaux | I have a very dumb question |
| 14:14:00 | LinusN | shoot |
| 14:14:24 | till_varoquaux | has any of the devs try to contact archos to see if you could make a device hand in hand with them |
| 14:14:26 | till_varoquaux | ? |
| 14:14:36 | LinusN | nope |
| 14:14:49 | till_varoquaux | That could turn out interesting |
| 14:15:02 | LinusN | i very much doubt it |
| 14:15:13 | dwihno | LinusN: tell me more about neuros... are they considering manufacturing a new unit and using rockbox as os? |
| 14:15:29 | LinusN | they have discussed it with us |
| 14:15:42 | till_varoquaux | I mean actually trying to pick out hardware that would be easier/more flexible to programm |
| 14:16:05 | LinusN | till_varoquaux: it's not in their interest |
| 14:16:13 | webmind | till_varoquaux, that would increase the cost |
| 14:16:20 | till_varoquaux | They could really benefit from your work however |
| 14:16:25 | dwihno | LinusN: nothing more happenend? :( |
| 14:16:39 | till_varoquaux | Oh I see... |
| 14:16:45 | till_varoquaux | and why that? |
| 14:16:50 | LinusN | they are into video devices nowadays, and there's not much in rockbox they have use for |
| 14:17:24 | till_varoquaux | Yeah but they could try to getan open source firmware for this |
| 14:17:56 | till_varoquaux | And I'm pretty shure the community as tons of ideas for design improvements |
| 14:18:04 | LinusN | here's my view of it: |
| 14:18:13 | LinusN | they want to sell hardware |
| 14:18:35 | LinusN | if they release the firmware, they prolong the lifespan of their products |
| 14:18:46 | LinusN | and they sell less devices |
| 14:19:00 | till_varoquaux | Yeah bu they could have a better market share |
| 14:19:24 | till_varoquaux | I mean with Ipods swarming the whole business |
| 14:19:56 | LinusN | sure, but i doubt that their management gets it |
| 14:19:57 | Zagor | LinusN: personally I doubt they have analyzed it that much. i rather think they simply don't understand what we do. |
| 14:19:58 | ashridah | till_varoquaux: market share isn't a major driving force. increasing profits are, which you only get by developing a 'new' product every XXX units of time and selling them again to early adopters |
| 14:20:23 | till_varoquaux | My point of view (I might be very wrong): |
| 14:20:41 | ashridah | releasing a kickass product, and then not being able to sell new ones because the public gets what they want won't get them as far |
| 14:20:53 | till_varoquaux | Developpement of units could be cheaper for them |
| 14:21:08 | till_varoquaux | There is always room for hardware improvements |
| 14:21:21 | till_varoquaux | (this is already what they do) |
| 14:22:07 | till_varoquaux | and people would be a lot more enclined to use the units if it had something friendlier than musicmatch budled with it |
| 14:22:44 | till_varoquaux | I thight integration with amarok for instance (or winamp) could be a reall plus |
| 14:23:03 | till_varoquaux | And they would benefit from a savier design |
| 14:23:55 | till_varoquaux | (I think there units while being technologically great don't have teh good looks of an IPOD) |
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| 14:25:54 | till_varoquaux | anyone here? |
| 14:25:58 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:26:05 | Zagor | amarok? |
| 14:26:14 | till_varoquaux | it's for linux |
| 14:26:22 | till_varoquaux | looks a lot like itunes |
| 14:26:34 | LinusN | i too think that an open source firmware might be good for archos |
| 14:26:43 | Zagor | what's to integrate? it's a collection of files. |
| 14:26:43 | LinusN | but i don't care |
| 14:26:57 | till_varoquaux | one could port it easilly t windows and mac |
| 14:27:20 | Zagor | half the point of the archos is that you don't have to use silly programs, just copy the files and play them |
| 14:27:31 | till_varoquaux | I know |
| 14:27:33 | LinusN | exactly |
| 14:27:38 | Zagor | i would never buy a player that required pc software |
| 14:27:47 | till_varoquaux | that's why I liked my jukebox |
| 14:28:21 | till_varoquaux | however this doesn't prevent to integrate synchrisation... to players |
| 14:28:32 | till_varoquaux | keeping the best of both world |
| 14:29:09 | till_varoquaux | And the multimedia requires you to recompress most of your movies |
| 14:29:10 | Zagor | i don't understand what that means. the player plays mp3 files. what is there to "integrate"? |
| 14:29:40 | till_varoquaux | just a very simple mirror utility would to the trick |
| 14:30:32 | Zagor | that's a software issue, nothing with the player. hence no integration. |
| 14:30:55 | till_varoquaux | Yes this is partially true: |
| 14:31:18 | till_varoquaux | If you get pluggable DRM modules you could have full integration |
| 14:31:30 | till_varoquaux | from the store to the player |
| 14:31:41 | till_varoquaux | and thats firmware issues |
| 14:31:46 | Zagor | sure, if you want to be sued by apple |
| 14:32:25 | till_varoquaux | Some other companies might be interested in building there own DRM nodules |
| 14:32:37 | till_varoquaux | not necessarilly Fair Use |
| 14:32:39 | Zagor | i don't think itunes is a concept to copy. it's way too locked in and annoys customers |
| 14:32:58 | till_varoquaux | I don't like it either but it works |
| 14:33:06 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: i just committed the metronome tap patch, could you try it on the ondio? |
| 14:33:24 | [IDC]Dragon | not now, but later, yes |
| 14:33:39 | till_varoquaux | And given the fact that most (if not all) online music stores have there own DRM |
| 14:34:03 | Zagor | not so, only american stores |
| 14:34:05 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: thanks |
| 14:34:13 | till_varoquaux | you will want one day to be able to get a player able to play DRM'd file |
| 14:34:21 | Zagor | I don't |
| 14:34:28 | till_varoquaux | Wasn't aware of this |
| 14:35:09 | till_varoquaux | most customers like to have a package that works out of the box (store player...) |
| 14:35:34 | till_varoquaux | this could be done with the involvement of the open source community |
| 14:35:55 | Zagor | open source and drm are pretty incompatible |
| 14:36:02 | till_varoquaux | And I would favour store that don't sell DRM'd files |
| 14:36:36 | till_varoquaux | I mean open source firmware but closed source DRM pluggins for playback |
| 14:36:54 | Zagor | then it is not open source |
| 14:37:04 | till_varoquaux | not the plug-in |
| 14:37:32 | till_varoquaux | for instance currently I'm using eclipse(ide for java) |
| 14:37:38 | till_varoquaux | it's gpl'd |
| 14:37:57 | Zagor | so basically you're asking why archos doesn't setup a music store and try to compete with apple on their turf? |
| 14:37:58 | till_varoquaux | but there are commercial plug-ins for i |
| 14:38:04 | till_varoquaux | nope |
| 14:38:28 | Zagor | yeah but how much do you think we want to work for free just so others can profit from our work, and not even share their code? |
| 14:38:52 | till_varoquaux | I get your point |
| 14:39:07 | Zagor | it's very difficult do mix open and closed source. many have tried, few have succeeded. |
| 14:39:32 | till_varoquaux | As you have pointed out some stores don't use DRM |
| 14:39:55 | till_varoquaux | these are just examples of what could be done |
| 14:40:32 | till_varoquaux | my point is Archos definitly has the edge when it comes to hardware |
| 14:40:35 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: aaah, the ondio metronome keys are still not correct |
| 14:41:10 | till_varoquaux | however their CHI is not as User-Friendly (arguably) as others |
| 14:41:30 | till_varoquaux | And there design could also benefit for some improvements |
| 14:41:38 | Zagor | yes, the iPod is not successful because it has better software. it is successful because they have spent many many millions on marketing. |
| 14:41:53 | till_varoquaux | well yes and no |
| 14:42:01 | till_varoquaux | It looksmuch better |
| 14:42:05 | Zagor | (and to a certain degree because apple has very loyal followers) |
| 14:43:08 | till_varoquaux | but an archos player could have all (and much more) of the qualities of the Ipod |
| 14:43:25 | Bagder | so could most mp3 players |
| 14:43:39 | Bagder | *could* being the word |
| 14:43:40 | Zagor | which qualities are that, exactly? two-second gap between songs? seven-click volume adjustment? |
| 14:44:02 | till_varoquaux | Much better design |
| 14:44:04 | Bagder | good-looking |
| 14:44:17 | Bagder | apparently people think so |
| 14:45:06 | till_varoquaux | And indexed file searching (this is arguable because it currently requires a special upload mechanisme) |
| 14:45:24 | Bagder | several players have that |
| 14:45:34 | till_varoquaux | easy as pie to get working with a music player/music store |
| 14:46:14 | till_varoquaux | and trendy because of addvertisement |
| 14:46:41 | Zagor | those are not properties, they are just marketing impressions |
| 14:47:01 | * | Bagder is trying to figure out what the point in this discussion is |
| 14:47:02 | Zagor | i've never heard anyone have problems copying their music to an archos |
| 14:47:08 | Zagor | Bagder: so do i :) |
| 14:51:36 | Zagor | i think perhaps my point is that trying to copy the ipod is not going to make anyone happy. those who like the ipod should buy it. |
| 14:51:54 | Zagor | also, irrational brand loyalty is not good for you :) |
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| 15:16:09 | till_varoquaux | Yeah I guess you are somehow right |
| 15:16:59 | till_varoquaux | I just don't like the looks of archos units (I think most of them are plain ugly) |
| 15:17:34 | till_varoquaux | and I was wondering why they weren't trying to get more feedback from there users |
| 15:18:17 | Zagor | i agree with you about the looks, even though it seems they are starting to learn that now. the gmini 400 isn't bad imho. |
| 15:18:33 | till_varoquaux | I also think (and I guess we'll all agree on that) that *their* firmware is not as good as it could be |
| 15:19:01 | Zagor | well no mp3 player comes with good firmware, that's not an archos thing |
| 15:19:35 | till_varoquaux | Since they have terrific hardware I thought they could really do a killer unit if they worked hand in hand with the users willing to get involbed |
| 15:19:58 | till_varoquaux | but I guess the Ipod was a very bad exemple |
| 15:20:11 | Zagor | yes, but that is very unnatural for any company to do. I wouldn't expect it to happen anywhere for several more years. |
| 15:20:25 | till_varoquaux | sigh |
| 15:20:43 | Zagor | companies are not used to customers knowing more than their engineers.... ;) |
| 15:20:48 | till_varoquaux | I just think you guys could offer to give a hand |
| 15:21:01 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 15:21:05 | Bagder | you are naive |
| 15:21:13 | till_varoquaux | I mean they *are* shipping Rockbox with th jukebox now |
| 15:21:27 | till_varoquaux | Badger: I might be |
| 15:21:44 | Bagder | they know where we are |
| 15:21:47 | Bagder | they know what we do |
| 15:21:50 | Bagder | they know what we can |
| 15:21:57 | Zagor | do they? i spoke to their marketing guy about that a long time ago, but they demanded we call rockbox a "cooperation project" |
| 15:22:13 | Zagor | (do they ship?) |
| 15:22:30 | till_varoquaux | I read a news saying they did |
| 15:22:40 | Zagor | got a link? |
| 15:22:57 | till_varoquaux | I bought my jukebox very long ago and I sure didn't have it |
| 15:23:04 | till_varoquaux | I'll search for one |
| 15:24:05 | till_varoquaux | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-12/0302.shtml |
| 15:24:09 | till_varoquaux | there you go |
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| 15:24:33 | Bagder | till_varoquaux: Zagor is Björn |
| 15:24:38 | Bagder | who wrote that mail |
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| 15:24:50 | till_varoquaux | Hmmm |
| 15:25:00 | Bagder | "plans" being the word to focus on |
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| 15:25:16 | Zagor | we spoke on the phone a few times, but it never happened as far as I know. |
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| 15:25:28 | till_varoquaux | so Rockbox never got shipped with the jukebox |
| 15:25:37 | Zagor | as far as I know, no |
| 15:25:41 | till_varoquaux | that's sad..... |
| 15:25:50 | till_varoquaux | I thought it had |
| 15:26:31 | till_varoquaux | so my utopia of archos walking hand in hand with the community is fading away |
| 15:26:35 | till_varoquaux | ;-( |
| 15:28:41 | till_varoquaux | I guess it would take a lot of work to get archos to understand it is good for *them* to open up a little there business model |
| 15:28:57 | till_varoquaux | I mean they are selling hardware not software |
| 15:33:54 | Zagor | exactly |
| 15:34:34 | till_varoquaux | dang I gotta go in a couple of minuts |
| 15:35:28 | till_varoquaux | well if you think a gesture towards archos to work with this community could have any positive impact I'm willing to try to get it working |
| 15:36:42 | Zagor | thanks, but we're not terribly interested. we have no plans to support their newer players, so there is not much they could offer us. a "thank you" would be nice, of course but I have a very hard time seeing that happen :) |
| 15:37:45 | till_varoquaux | so if I get it right |
| 15:38:26 | till_varoquaux | If they opened the specs for one of there futur products (or even better asked you your advice) |
| 15:38:54 | till_varoquaux | you would decline (because you don't have time and/or interest) |
| 15:39:03 | till_varoquaux | ? |
| 15:39:31 | Bagder | I bet a bunch of people would be happy to develop for it |
| 15:39:40 | Bagder | rockbox is open source |
| 15:39:54 | Bagder | anyone can make it run on a new platform, given some time and sweat |
| 15:40:13 | Bagder | and lots of skill of course |
| 15:40:14 | Zagor | if they wanted honest cooperation we'd probably be interested, but of course we can't make any promises |
| 15:40:32 | till_varoquaux | I just need to know if there would be support from the community if they offered to open up |
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| 15:41:25 | till_varoquaux | I mean I can't justb go up to them and ask to have a more open devellopement model if I don't have back-up |
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| 15:41:34 | till_varoquaux | I meant offer |
| 15:41:54 | Bagder | we can never guarantee anything |
| 15:41:56 | Zagor | well, you can't *know*. you can have strong indications, but the whole point of open source is that everyone does what he wants to. |
| 15:42:08 | Bagder | unless they pay |
| 15:42:08 | till_varoquaux | Yes I get it |
| 15:42:58 | Zagor | if they were seriously interested in approaching the community, I'm sure we could agree on good ways of cooperation though. |
| 15:43:15 | Bagder | I'm sure we would |
| 15:43:34 | Bagder | ...just that it won't happen |
| 15:43:49 | till_varoquaux | Well I guess I might still give it a shot |
| 15:44:19 | till_varoquaux | I need to get a serious offer together first |
| 15:44:29 | till_varoquaux | foster a community maybe |
| 15:44:38 | till_varoquaux | but who knows? |
| 15:44:54 | Zagor | what would such an offer contain? |
| 15:45:22 | till_varoquaux | Well not really an offer |
| 15:45:39 | till_varoquaux | I meant showing there is potential |
| 15:46:02 | till_varoquaux | and peoples willing to cooperate |
| 15:46:17 | till_varoquaux | not come just as a lunatic |
| 15:46:33 | Zagor | well they know about us very well, so that's not a problem |
| 15:46:46 | till_varoquaux | thx gotta go |
| 15:47:21 | till_varoquaux | but I'll try to thing about a good to get things started when I'll have spare time |
| 15:47:54 | till_varoquaux | There is still a lot to discuss about |
| 15:48:13 | till_varoquaux | and I guess that I'm going nowhere fast |
| 15:48:28 | Zagor | i'm available for discussion |
| 15:48:34 | till_varoquaux | but hey... as said before who knows? |
| 15:48:39 | till_varoquaux | thanks |
| 15:48:47 | till_varoquaux | see you around |
| 15:49:04 | Zagor | yup |
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| 18:59:47 | Tang | hi all folks :) |
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| 19:04:02 | Tang | I don't know if it's known |
| 19:04:27 | Tang | but i have to say that in the past |
| 19:05:03 | Tang | some guys tld about a n alt.firmware for iHP called "Ennis project" |
| 19:05:51 | Tang | the matter is tyhat nobody know if it was real or just hoax |
| 19:06:15 | Tang | anyway theses guys said they stopped their project |
| 19:06:24 | Tang | due to iRiver pressures... |
| 19:06:59 | Bagder | interesting |
| 19:07:13 | Tang | So if it's true i don't think there is something to wait from iriver about "helping" |
| 19:07:29 | Tang | I also do know for sure |
| 19:07:37 | Bagder | we never thought they'd help us |
| 19:08:19 | Tang | ok i have i |
| 19:08:31 | Tang | misunderstood something about the neuros chat maybe |
| 19:08:58 | Tang | anyway i hope the compagny won't be aware of your project |
| 19:09:12 | Bagder | I doubt it matters |
| 19:09:16 | Bagder | we do nothing illegal |
| 19:09:26 | Tang | yes i do know but |
| 19:09:52 | Tang | seems they are quite "agressive" with all alt project |
| 19:10:04 | Tang | for exemple they were |
| 19:10:14 | Bagder | I guess we'll see then |
| 19:10:24 | Tang | okay |
| 19:10:48 | Tang | for exemple iriver didn't aprpeciate that much all the inetrface customizing stuff |
| 19:11:15 | Tang | (they removed all thrads about theses tools on their boards and so on |
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| 19:12:10 | Tang | Anyway pesonnaly i think rockbox iRiverport is the best things that could happen for iRiver |
| 19:12:40 | Tang | since their own firmware support is simply awful |
| 19:12:48 | Bagder | :-) |
| 19:13:02 | Bagder | I've orded one now |
| 19:13:08 | Tang | you too |
| 19:13:14 | Bagder | gotta go |
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| 19:13:42 | Tang | i heard zagior ordered 3 i thought it was for some Rckbx memebers |
| 19:14:05 | Tang | i don't realyy understand how the projetc work |
| 19:14:45 | Tang | is there a wiki page about the reockbox organisation for exemple |
| 19:15:21 | Tang | i'm just curious about how you cn coordinate so much members work |
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| 19:26:19 | Tang | i've to go bye :) |
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| 22:46:00 | billyk | Hi. Wondering if someone could help me out. I opened up my Rockbox because acording to the Rock Box website, I think I'm having the JBR V1 connector problem since I only get 2 hours of life out of it |
| 22:46:09 | billyk | Opened my Archos JBR. |
| 22:46:53 | billyk | One one side, I have the connectors as described on the RockBox website. On the other side, I don't. Should the connectors be on both sides? |
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| 22:58:47 | billyk | Anyone know if the archos JBR V1 should have the battery connector wire on both sides of the baateries? |
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