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| 01:30:34 | webguest04 | hello |
| 01:33:19 | amiconn | hi |
| 01:34:11 | webguest04 | things kinda slow right now? |
| 01:35:01 | scott666_ | webguest04: depends on what you mean by slow, really |
| 01:35:07 | webguest04 | I've got some minor UI comments. |
| 01:35:43 | scott666_ | IRC is logged, if you leave comments they will probably be read eventually :-) |
| 01:35:50 | webguest04 | ok. |
| 01:37:04 | webguest04 | When you boot or reboot, with resume set on, and with speech on, it'd be nice to get an audio prompt for resume. |
| 01:37:34 | scott666_ | you mean with resume set to Ask? |
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| 01:37:44 | webguest04 | yes. |
| 01:38:09 | webguest04 | I get the red-led lockups while driving. |
| 01:38:30 | webguest04 | I'd like to know when to hit the button. |
| 01:38:35 | scott666 | what version of rockbox are you using? |
| 01:38:53 | webguest04 | ummm. 2.3 at least. |
| 01:39:00 | scott666 | ok |
| 01:39:15 | webguest04 | cvs 041111 |
| 01:39:26 | scott666 | there was a partial bug fix of the RLD issue at some point a while back |
| 01:39:32 | scott666 | between 2.2 and 2.3 |
| 01:39:33 | webguest04 | am I totally behind :) |
| 01:39:45 | scott666 | nope, I am |
| 01:39:48 | webguest04 | I love open source software. |
| 01:40:12 | scott666 | AFAIK there is no fix for RLDs besides getting a new HD |
| 01:40:27 | webguest04 | Also, I think there should be a startup sound. "audio splash screen" :) |
| 01:40:30 | amiconn | webguest04: What harddisk model do you have (info->debug->view disk info)? |
| 01:40:43 | webguest04 | I will upgrade HDD soon. full already. |
| 01:41:01 | amiconn | If it's Hitachi DK23CA or DK23DA, you're probably out of luck (with that disk) |
| 01:41:37 | webguest04 | dk23da-10. oh well. |
| 01:41:58 | webguest04 | A used notebook drive is pretty cheap. |
| 01:43:47 | webguest04 | Another comment: the voiced filenames might be a little slicker if there was a slight delay before they begin, so scrolling thru a directory wasn't so odd sounding. |
| 01:44:19 | webguest04 | I feel almost like I'm interupting the speaker :) |
| 01:45:13 | webguest04 | maybe preface the directory name with a short click or beep... |
| 01:46:08 | webguest04 | all things considered, though, the voice feedback is a huge plus. |
| 01:46:21 | amiconn | The effect that the currently voiced filename is interrupted when you scroll further is intended. However, iirc there should be a slight delay before the current filename is voiced, so it waits until you stop scrolling (??) |
| 01:46:42 | webguest04 | amiconn: I agree |
| 01:47:16 | webguest04 | that sounds like a minor tweak. |
| 01:48:01 | amiconn | Pooh, I didn't break the automated builds with my button driver overhaul. :) Hopefully it'll still work on fm/v2 (the only platform I can't test on myself).... |
| 01:48:40 | webguest04 | what was the overhaul intended to accomplish? |
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| 01:49:56 | amiconn | Mostly code cleanup, correcting some minor inconsistencies, and bring button filtering to the player. |
| 01:50:37 | webguest04 | filtering? like debounce? |
| 01:50:48 | amiconn | yup |
| 01:51:31 | webguest04 | I haven't noticed any probs. |
| 01:52:16 | amiconn | Do you own a player? |
| 01:52:40 | webguest04 | nope. recorder.\ |
| 01:52:57 | webguest04 | which reminds me... |
| 01:53:10 | amiconn | Recorder already had button debounce. In fact, all models but the player had it. |
| 01:53:19 | webguest04 | is there a way to change the earphone volume while recording? |
| 01:53:42 | webguest04 | how did the player miss out? oversight? |
| 01:54:32 | amiconn | (volume change while recording) It's not implemented, but should be possible hardware-wise. You could file a rfe |
| 01:55:07 | webguest04 | is that a fancy acronym for a feature request? |
| 01:55:40 | amiconn | rfe == "request for enhancement". Sourceforge calls it like that |
| 01:56:11 | webguest04 | I think 695767 is similar. |
| 01:56:57 | webguest04 | it asks for a "universal key combo" for volume control everywhere. |
| 01:57:15 | webguest04 | it must be hard to plan a UI |
| 01:57:35 | webguest04 | especially with multiple platforms |
| 01:57:45 | webguest04 | and constant feature creep. |
| 01:58:50 | amiconn | It is... especially adapting it to a more limited keypad (like porting to Ondio...) |
| 01:59:20 | webguest04 | I suppose you could use some sort of config file structure. |
| 01:59:36 | webguest04 | sort of like root menus under blackbox. |
| 01:59:50 | webguest04 | or other X window managers |
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| 02:01:04 | webguest04 | it'd be interesting to figure that out for a multi "mode" device, though. |
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| 02:01:57 | webguest04 | I guess you'd just have a keyword for mode selections, and then have configs for each mode. |
| 02:03:22 | webguest04 | there'd have to be some way to recover from badly planned configs, though |
| 02:04:06 | webguest04 | It might make porting to new hardware cleaner, though, wouldn't it? |
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| 02:05:37 | amiconn | I don't think so. Everything that uses a configuration file will increase code size because all those necessary checks, and the default still needs to be built in, in case the config file is missing |
| 02:06:23 | amiconn | ...at least for important things like menus and key config. How do you reset the settings if your config file doesn't define a menu item for that? |
| 02:07:59 | webguest04 | all you need is a default.cfg on disk, and a "panic" keypress within X seconds of boot to cause an overwrite of user.cfg with default.cfg. |
| 02:08:41 | amiconn | What if default.cfg can't be read, because the user deleted it? |
| 02:09:20 | webguest04 | couldn't you just rewrite it via usb? |
| 02:09:27 | amiconn | Btw, 946608 matches your volume control while recording request |
| 02:10:53 | webguest04 | ah. you are correct. 946608. how often do the developers review the requests? |
| 02:11:39 | amiconn | Yes, you always could rewrite it via usb. But (1) I'd expect many requests/ complaints by users not knowing how to correct the issue (2) You might be far away from computers, no chance to rewrite via usb... |
| 02:12:00 | webguest04 | another point. code size and ease of porting to new hw aren't quite the same thing. |
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| 02:13:23 | webguest04 | could the default.cfg just be a read-only file? that way deleting would be an intentional act. |
| 02:13:39 | amiconn | I think all developers (including me) look at the requests from time to time. What gets implemented depends on their time, and what they think is useful. |
| 02:14:09 | webguest04 | That seems fair. Considering the current pay scale:) |
| 02:15:34 | amiconn | I think using .cfg files wouldn't make porting easier (but also no harder). As it is now, porting the UI means mostly changing some #defines and #ifdefs. With .cfg files it would mean changing that instead. The low level work (drivers etc.) is still the same |
| 02:17:14 | webguest04 | I see. The current way just moves the choices to the pre-compile stage. |
| 02:18:22 | amiconn | yup |
| 02:18:34 | webguest04 | One benefit of having a UI.cfg is that a user could "bury" seldom used features and make the frequently used ones easy to reach. |
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| 02:20:42 | amiconn | I would like to have context menus and a user definable *additional* menu, where you could put often used functions. The default menu should remain static imho |
| 02:20:56 | webguest04 | The unix geek in me wants to play around configuring EVERYTHING. :) |
| 02:21:56 | webguest04 | There are so many features, and so few buttons. |
| 02:22:45 | webguest04 | some stuff I only mess with rarely, like display prefs. |
| 02:24:32 | webguest04 | I'd almost like to see those functions be a plugin. |
| 02:26:02 | webguest04 | would a preference setting plugin free up some space for other code? (by moving that code to disk) |
| 02:27:44 | amiconn | Might be difficult. When moving all preferences setting things out, it would in turn require many functions to be exported to the plugin api |
| 02:28:02 | Maurits | Hi, I was wondering if there's a different way of running own code on the iRiver player instead of with the BDM |
| 02:28:27 | Maurits | I'd like to help out, but I can't afford to sacrifice my player in the process |
| 02:28:52 | webguest04 | amiconn: you mean so that the prefs can take place immediately? |
| 02:29:45 | amiconn | Afaik there is no (safe) other way yet. A boot loader is currently in development, but that's all I can say (no iRiver here) |
| 02:29:58 | webguest04 | I was thinking of things like whether the LCD is flipped upside down, inverted, etc. |
| 02:30:37 | amiconn | webguest04: Many prefs setting functions need to interact with core code, like lcd flip, invert...., all sound setings .... |
| 02:31:30 | webguest04 | interact? arent they just flags in flash somewhere? |
| 02:32:28 | webguest04 | I was picturing that they got set, and the core code just read the flags to know what to do. |
| 02:32:53 | amiconn | There is a global config table (not in flash, but in ram, written to rtc (recorders) and disk on request. However, the core code doesn't constantly check if something has changed |
| 02:33:14 | amiconn | You need to call the appropriate functions for that |
| 02:33:26 | webguest04 | or reboot. |
| 02:33:51 | webguest04 | depending on the nature of the feature. |
| 02:34:39 | amiconn | Reboot is needed for very few features, iirc only the playlist and dir buffer sizes. That's because rockbox does no dynamic memory management |
| 02:35:51 | webguest04 | I like that reboot isn't often needed, but I'd be willing to reboot for seldom-changed features, if it freed up buttons for things like volume changing:) |
| 02:37:04 | amiconn | The # of free buttons does have nothingh to do with the setting menu being there or not?! ;-) |
| 02:38:10 | amiconn | It should be possible to make the recording volume adjustable (something like On+Up/Down in the recording screen). It just didn't get implemented yet. |
| 02:38:36 | webguest04 | the "LCD" menu is high level. |
| 02:39:47 | amiconn | I rarely use the recording feature myself, and even more rarely need to listen to what I am recording from the box' output. Otherwise I might already have implemented it. |
| 02:40:17 | webguest04 | I guess I can't argue with that. :) |
| 02:40:51 | webguest04 | Those who code, decide. (what's the latin for that?) |
| 02:41:41 | webguest04 | The point you're making is that usage patterns vary widely. |
| 02:41:50 | amiconn | yup. |
| 02:42:00 | webguest04 | That's an argument for max. configurability. |
| 02:42:51 | amiconn | Rockbox already has tons of options... but even then there are more wishes.... |
| 02:43:09 | webguest04 | Yes, I see that. |
| 02:43:18 | webguest04 | The wishes are endless. |
| 02:43:47 | webguest04 | As rockbox evolves to more capable platforms, the wishes will grow. |
| 02:43:55 | amiconn | ...like setting the output volume from the recording screen (in fact, it shouldn't be hard), automatic level control for recording (for using it as a voice recorder)... |
| 02:44:16 | webguest04 | speech recognition with voiceprint security feature :) |
| 02:44:24 | amiconn | ;) |
| 02:45:14 | amiconn | I'm more into low level hacking. Let's see, if some other things I've planned are finished, I might try hacking the MAS... |
| 02:45:24 | webguest04 | play all of the eagles music form 1969-72 in reverse chronological order, omitting live recordings... |
| 02:45:33 | webguest04 | s/form/from |
| 02:47:07 | webguest04 | MAS is the dedicated DSP? |
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| 02:47:22 | amiconn | yup |
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| 02:47:53 | webguest04 | is there an url at rockbox.org for it? |
| 02:49:06 | amiconn | There's only the datasheets, and Micronas doesn't give in-depth info away. There's a croatian (?) site on the web that has a mas assembler/simulator and some code examples available |
| 02:49:49 | webguest04 | I was thinking of a capabilities summary, to reduce the stupid questions I might otherwise ask. |
| 02:51:27 | amiconn | I really gotta get some sleep now... almost 3 am already |
| 02:51:41 | webguest04 | wow, where are you? |
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| 02:52:51 | amiconn | Germany. |
| 02:53:03 | webguest04 | i see. |
| 02:53:14 | webguest04 | oh, well, get some sleep. |
| 02:53:36 | webguest04 | I've gotta go, too. |
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| 08:53:02 | amiconn | Good morning |
| 08:53:25 | LinusN | morn |
| 08:54:02 | LinusN | nice work on the button driver |
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| 08:54:35 | LinusN | (except for adding a space between "if" and the parenthesis) :-) |
| 08:55:07 | amiconn | The majority of if's already had that... |
| 08:55:31 | LinusN | i don't really care, just teasing you |
| 08:56:19 | amiconn | Could you or someone else test on a fm recorder (the only archos platform I couldn't test myself)? |
| 08:56:28 | amiconn | Or v2, of course |
| 08:56:42 | LinusN | sure |
| 08:57:21 | * | dwihno is gonna build a cross compiler :) |
| 08:57:22 | amiconn | Particularly the firmware reload with "On" from the panic screen should work now (it couldn't have worked before) |
| 08:57:35 | dwihno | gcc-3.3.4 and gcc-core-3.3.4, right? |
| 08:58:24 | amiconn | LinusN: I hope the iriver target still builds okay. I have no coldfire cross compiler here |
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| 08:59:52 | LinusN | i'll try that too |
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| 09:00:25 | LinusN | dwihno: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 09:00:48 | dwihno | LinusN: Aaah! Exactly what I needed! Thanks a bunch! :) |
| 09:01:31 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you know wether building the coldfire cross compiler works on cygwin? |
| 09:02:41 | dwihno | *compiles binutils* (using a stoneage celeron 466! yay!) |
| 09:04:29 | LinusN | amiconn: haven't tried, but i don't see why it shouldn't |
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| 09:10:01 | * | LinusN tries to figure out how to generate a panic... |
| 09:10:18 | amiconn | I have a tiny plugin that does that... |
| 09:10:35 | amiconn | It switches on memguard, then tries to read address zero |
| 09:10:47 | LinusN | i'll just call panic in main() |
| 09:13:05 | amiconn | Argh! panic() doesn't have that... only UIE() |
| 09:13:25 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 09:14:12 | amiconn | s/panic()/panicf()/ |
| 09:18:40 | amiconn | LinusN: amiconn.dyndns.org/lawbreaker.zip">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/lawbreaker.zip |
| 09:22:11 | LinusN | amiconn: works |
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| 09:23:12 | dwihno | The cross-compiler page is great |
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| 09:26:11 | LinusN | dwihno: thx |
| 09:33:35 | dwihno | wuups |
| 09:33:39 | dwihno | Me got error :) |
| 09:34:12 | dwihno | seems like the standard libc stuff is banging out |
| 09:34:41 | dwihno | Have I done anything wrong regarding newlib perhaps? |
| 09:39:33 | LinusN | which gcc version are you trying to build? |
| 09:41:29 | dwihno | 3.3.4 |
| 09:41:43 | dwihno | I've symlinked the newlib into the gcc subdir of gcc-3.3.4 |
| 09:41:46 | LinusN | and you have dl:ed newlib |
| 09:42:07 | dwihno | do I need to do anything with newlib? run the configure script? compile anything? |
| 09:42:19 | LinusN | i see that the wiki page isn't entirely clear about the symlink |
| 09:43:20 | dwihno | [~/dn/gcc/gcc-3.3.4/gcc] ls -al newlib |
| 09:43:20 | dwihno | lrwxr-xr-x 1 dw dw 26 Dec 1 09:19 newlib -> ../../newlib-1.11.0/newlib |
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| 09:43:34 | LinusN | not correct |
| 09:43:48 | LinusN | the symlink should be in the gcc-3.3.4 dir |
| 09:43:55 | LinusN | not gcc-3.3.4/gcc |
| 09:44:17 | dwihno | the gcc dir contains source, thus "make a symlink in the gcc 3.3.X source dir" |
| 09:44:18 | dwihno | :) |
| 09:44:24 | dwihno | me fixey then |
| 09:47:41 | LinusN | i have updated the wiki page |
| 09:48:07 | dwihno | super! |
| 09:48:36 | LinusN | morning Zagor |
| 09:48:39 | LinusN | hangover? |
| 09:48:52 | dwihno | Time for a snack, then I'll tell you how it went. |
| 09:50:02 | Zagor | LinusN: no but very slow traffic |
| 09:53:38 | LinusN | slow brain here :-) |
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| 10:14:30 | dwihno | hm. seems like newlib bangs out |
| 10:15:03 | dwihno | or something else |
| 10:16:20 | dwihno | configure-target-newlib |
| 10:17:03 | LinusN | interesting |
| 10:17:12 | dwihno | can't find install-sh |
| 10:17:27 | LinusN | hmmm |
| 10:17:47 | dwihno | a really long list, (linked, working in) |
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| 10:17:54 | dwihno | wctype.exp ..linked |
| 10:17:54 | dwihno | loading cache ../config.cache |
| 10:17:54 | dwihno | configure: error: can not find install-sh or install.sh in .. ./.. |
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| 10:17:54 | dwihno | gmake: *** [configure-target-newlib] Error 1 |
| 10:18:05 | dwihno | funny :) |
| 10:18:09 | dwihno | I'll try an ugly fix |
| 10:19:40 | dwihno | hmm |
| 10:19:45 | dwihno | I got a working compiler though |
| 10:19:47 | dwihno | strange |
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| 10:22:32 | * | Bagder charges his iRiver... |
| 10:23:59 | dwihno | Aww! You got one as well! :) |
| 10:24:06 | dwihno | IHP-120? 140? |
| 10:24:11 | Bagder | 140 |
| 10:24:48 | dwihno | sweet! how is it compared to the archos+ |
| 10:25:02 | Bagder | I haven't really tried it yet |
| 10:25:07 | Zagor | dwihno: didn't I tell you I would give them to random people on the street? |
| 10:25:10 | Bagder | its lighter |
| 10:25:51 | dwihno | Zagor: well, to be completely honest, Bagder doesn't really qualify being "random" :) |
| 10:26:14 | Bagder | I wanna be random! |
| 10:27:29 | dwihno | whaddyaknow! it compiled! |
| 10:27:33 | dwihno | now I only need to build uclpack |
| 10:27:36 | Zagor | "we are all random" |
| 10:30:23 | kurzhaarrocker | slightly ot: In the back of my mind there's a rule of thumb: "Avoid including other *.h files in *.h files". Why is it a bad idea eg to make a *.h file that contains all the *.h files from the firmware/explort directory in one single firmware.h file? |
| 10:30:55 | Zagor | because it's not necessary? |
| 10:31:34 | Zagor | I disagree with that old rule of thumb of yours. Such a rule causes more problems than it solves. |
| 10:32:06 | Zagor | recursive include problems are very rare in real life |
| 10:32:23 | kurzhaarrocker | ... and usually can be solved by #ifdefs |
| 10:33:43 | Zagor | yes, all header files should always contain #ifndef/#define include protection. *that* is a good rule. :) |
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| 10:35:26 | * | kurzhaarrocker wonders how that rule got into his mind at all |
| 10:35:57 | Bagder | some people/places have such a rule |
| 10:35:57 | dwihno | Way! rombox build ok! |
| 10:37:53 | dwihno | What is the max size of a rombox UCL? |
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| 10:40:13 | LinusN | dwihno: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RomBox |
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| 10:42:22 | dwihno | aha! |
| 10:43:13 | dwihno | Well, it'll fit anyhow. |
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| 10:52:52 | dwihno | okay |
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| 10:53:34 | dwihno | buildzip.pl, line 59 doesn't specify mode |
| 10:53:55 | dwihno | (causes a bang on my ancient version) |
| 10:54:54 | Bagder | dwihno: add , 0777 |
| 10:56:52 | Bagder | me fixed that now |
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| 11:05:18 | dwihno | Bagder: yeah, i just noticed it :) |
| 11:05:24 | * | dwihno knows basic perl stuffs |
| 11:05:32 | dwihno | print "Hello, Bagder\n"; |
| 11:42:39 | Bagder | Vendor: TOSHIBA Model: MK4004GAH |
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| 11:45:49 | Bagder | mounting works |
| 11:45:59 | Bagder | now syncing my music collection on the the iriver |
| 11:46:32 | dwihno | Nice! |
| 11:47:28 | Bagder | linux friendly it is |
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| 11:51:53 | LinusN | but not user friendly |
| 11:52:02 | Bagder | indeed not |
| 11:52:05 | LinusN | the interface sucks |
| 11:52:23 | LinusN | and the gaps between songs...so lame! |
| 11:52:51 | LinusN | i understand why there is so much talk about gapless in the iriver forums |
| 11:53:09 | LinusN | and it can't play layer 1 files at all :-( |
| 11:53:30 | amiconn_ | But then the mas also doesn't play layer 1 |
| 11:53:40 | LinusN | no Starka Såsen on the iRiver :-( |
| 11:53:41 | amiconn_ | (I once tried) |
| 11:54:38 | LinusN | sorry, i meant L2 |
| 11:55:53 | amiconn_ | Major iriver drawback... no playback of DAB recordings :( |
| 11:56:37 | Bagder | until Rockbox! |
| 11:56:39 | Bagder | :-) |
| 11:57:34 | Bagder | amiconn: you joining up the iriver race? |
| 11:57:56 | Bagder | we'd sponsor the hw |
| 11:59:02 | * | Bagder runs off to feed a girl |
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| 12:01:02 | amiconn_ | Bagder: Maybe... but surely not yet. First I want to finish all the other things... |
| 12:01:54 | amiconn_ | ...like player flashing, multi-volume for Ondio.... |
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| 12:08:45 | dwihno | LinusN: Starka såsen doesn't work?!?! WTF?! :[ |
| 12:09:36 | amiconn_ | Wth are you talking about ?!? |
| 12:10:07 | dwihno | An old tune about kebabs |
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| 13:24:20 | ripnetUK | are all you new iRiver people aware of the alleged kernel bug with USB and linux? mine seems to work perfectly (2.6 kernel), but ive heard that there is a patch needed to the kernel because the USB bridge on iRiver sometimes returns a zero length packet (or something), and the SCSI emulation layer needs to signal 'retry needed' and not 'failed' (from memory) |
| 13:24:42 | ripnetUK | like i said, ive never encountered it, and ive checked the patch is NOT applied to my kernel source (mandrake) |
| 13:25:43 | LinusN | i haven't had any probs |
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| 13:26:23 | LinusN | but i haven't used my iriver that much either |
| 13:26:23 | ripnetUK | http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0405.0/0676.html |
| 13:26:30 | ashridah | ripnetUK: vanilla kernels had the bug up until 2.6.9 |
| 13:26:48 | ashridah | but it still has issues when resetting the device after a short read, it takes about 30 seconds to reset atm |
| 13:27:03 | ashridah | but if you're using 2.6.9, you should be right |
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| 13:27:13 | ripnetUK | its wierd, mine has never worked less than perfectly... |
| 13:27:39 | ripnetUK | and im on 2.6.3 |
| 13:28:00 | ashridah | i have no idea how related it is to the usb controlller, or revision of the iriver dev ice |
| 13:28:04 | ashridah | device even |
| 13:28:30 | ashridah | but the bug is actually a data corruption bug, usually only on read tho, which can still wig things out when dealing with directory nodes, mind you |
| 13:29:27 | ashridah | basically, the iriver device returns a completely empty usb packet, and the kernel wasn't doing due dilligence and detecting this erronous condition, so it happily passed uninitialised data back up to the scsi layer , which hands it to the vfat driver. |
| 13:29:37 | ashridah | i managed to trigger it fairly easily. |
| 13:29:49 | * | LinusN has 2.6.9 |
| 13:29:52 | ripnetUK | maybe i was just lucky :) makes up for my sata problems with my chipset |
| 13:31:25 | ashridah | as of 2.6.8/9 or so, the kernel has the empty packet detection, the problem is that the scsi layer resets the device, which on the usb side of things takes a while (something about it not doing port resets or something, i forget exactly) |
| 13:31:36 | ashridah | which model of iriver player do you have? |
| 13:32:49 | ripnetUK | i have the h140 |
| 13:33:00 | ashridah | hm. same as mine. odd |
| 13:33:11 | ashridah | which usb chipset are you using? |
| 13:33:27 | ripnetUK | erm... what in /proc/... do I have to cat to answer that? |
| 13:34:12 | ashridah | run lspci |grep USB |
| 13:34:25 | ashridah | that should suggest which usb chipset is on the machine |
| 13:34:31 | ripnetUK | one of each of there USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB USB (rev 02) |
| 13:34:31 | ripnetUK | 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB USB2 (rev 02) |
| 13:34:53 | ashridah | interesting. don't know anything about the intel usb controllers. |
| 13:37:14 | Zagor | what's interesting is that we've been using this same usb controller in archos players for years, and never had a problem |
| 13:37:36 | LinusN | it's not *exactly* the same |
| 13:37:46 | kurzhaarrocker | Wasn't it rebranded? |
| 13:37:52 | Zagor | no, but the core is very likely very very similar |
| 13:37:53 | ashridah | Zagor: yeah, usb is fun that way ;) |
| 13:38:03 | LinusN | Zagor: indeed |
| 13:39:30 | ripnetUK | off topic question, but ive asked usenet etc. Can I force the iRiver (or other USB mass storage) to /dev/sda every time? at the moment, it uses them in order, so if i plug in my compact flash reader, then the iRiver, the reader is sda, but if i do it the other way round, the iRiver is sda |
| 13:39:54 | dwihno | The H1x0 models, do they have USB2go? |
| 13:40:00 | LinusN | dwihno: no |
| 13:40:27 | dwihno | LinusN: Ah, so that's one of the new features of the H3xx models |
| 13:40:29 | LinusN | they have the same usb chip as the archos recorder |
| 13:40:41 | dwihno | Proven technology \o/ :) |
| 13:40:45 | Zagor | ripnetUK: no, you need to use udev |
| 13:41:36 | Zagor | or, rather: yes, by using udev :) |
| 13:42:20 | Zagor | only you can't call it /dev/sda. but you can call it /dev/iriver |
| 13:42:46 | dwihno | When getting a phone firmware upgrade, do you guys think the stored information will be cleared as well? |
| 13:42:48 | Zagor | i should write a wiki page about that |
| 13:42:58 | LinusN | Zagor: please do |
| 13:43:25 | LinusN | dwihno: there is always a risk |
| 13:43:49 | dwihno | LinusN: how dull! :/ |
| 13:44:34 | ripnetUK | zagor - thanks :) will look up udev on google... just needed to know the correct keyword to search on |
| 13:44:42 | * | kurzhaarrocker never saw LinusN say "no" when someone offered to write a wiki page |
| 13:46:08 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:46:15 | ripnetUK | dwihno - yes - every time ive upgraded a phone its been reset to factory settings |
| 13:47:28 | dwihno | ripnetUK: that's a shame... I guess I'll have to locate my backups |
| 13:50:34 | dwihno | I can copy my contacts to the SIM card |
| 13:53:24 | ripnetUK | you can, but sim card contacts tend to be very simple one name one number things |
| 13:53:45 | ripnetUK | and often limited to 99 entries |
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| 14:41:37 | leety-aravil | gibt es die Taster von dem Stuerkreuz bei eletronik Conrad zu kaufen? |
| 14:41:52 | Zagor | eh, most of us don't speak german |
| 14:41:53 | leety-aravil | unter welcher Art. Nr.? |
| 14:43:37 | leety-aravil | sorry my eglish ist bad |
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| 14:58:30 | Zagor | leety-aravil: I bet it's better than my german :-) |
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| 15:00:10 | kurzhaarrocker | leety-aravil: no they're not available at Conrad. All the buttons Conrad sells are to big. |
| 15:08:02 | leety-aravil | where can i buy? |
| 15:20:29 | leety-aravil | Conrad sells good tracer: 700217 - U0 + 700203 - U0 |
| 15:20:32 | kurzhaarrocker | If you find a source let me know :) |
| 15:21:38 | kurzhaarrocker | They are to tall |
| 15:21:48 | kurzhaarrocker | the archos buttons are really flat |
| 15:24:01 | leety-aravil | www.conrad.de and search by Artikel. Nr. for 700217 and 700203 ;D |
| 15:24:08 | kurzhaarrocker | I did |
| 15:24:39 | kurzhaarrocker | I know those buttons, I have some of them, they're not compatible with the jukeboxes, as they are to tall. I tried them. |
| 15:24:41 | leety-aravil | they are a more largely! |
| 15:25:02 | leety-aravil | sind sie zu hoch oder nur zu breit? |
| 15:25:17 | kurzhaarrocker | zu hoch, im Sinne von zu dick |
| 15:26:20 | leety-aravil | also passen die dann nicht mehr unter die abdeckung? |
| 15:28:27 | kurzhaarrocker | genau |
| 15:32:18 | leety-aravil | ist das viel? Sonst könnte man ja was von der Abdeckung abtragen! |
| 15:50:31 | ripnetUK | I installed udev :) should I have both /dev and /udev? should I uninstall devfs and change udev to use /dev? |
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| 16:00:00 | Zagor | yes, udev replaces devfs |
| 16:00:43 | ripnetUK | zag - so you have udev creating its stuff in /dev, and no devfs? |
| 16:00:47 | Zagor | yup |
| 16:01:17 | ripnetUK | hmmm... i have both :) but udev hasnt found all my devices (a dvb card for a start)... |
| 16:01:29 | LinusN | Zagor: i can't find the wiki page :-) |
| 16:01:35 | Zagor | :) |
| 16:02:45 | Zagor | ripnetUK: you can create custom udev rules to create exotic devices that are not supported by default |
| 16:06:06 | Zagor | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html is a collection of udev info |
| 16:06:30 | ripnetUK | i might just stick with both running at once... i was quite happy with devfs except i never knew which /sdX my iRiver would turn up on |
| 16:06:40 | ripnetUK | it seems from googleing that that is ok |
| 16:06:58 | Zagor | yeah, I ran /dev and /udev in parallell for a while too |
| 16:07:39 | ripnetUK | cool... i think there is also somethign to be said for running it how the distro provider (in my case Mandrake) intended |
| 16:07:51 | Zagor | yeah |
| 16:08:01 | ripnetUK | thanks for the input... nice to know that you ran them in parallel with (i assume) no evil side effects |
| 16:09:57 | Zagor | nope |
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| 16:58:44 | leety-aravil | gibt something delete automticaly the "Recycled" and "System Volume Information" if i unplug the USB Kabel? |
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| 20:26:38 | Yokalosh | Yo |
| 20:26:50 | Yokalosh | Guys |
| 20:27:02 | Yokalosh | When is the next rockbox version coming out? |
| 20:28:22 | Yokalosh | Hello |
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| 22:25:33 | Bagder | 1026768.45 bytes/sec |
| 22:25:47 | Bagder | when filling up my iriver |
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| 23:13:49 | Zagor | hi |
| 23:14:21 | Bagder | the iriver can't even read my playlists |
| 23:16:36 | Zagor | gosh |
| 23:16:55 | Zagor | i haven't had time to play around with mine yet |
| 23:17:18 | Bagder | it took almost 10 hours to copy my 35GB music to it |
| 23:17:52 | Bagder | and now I have no playlists |
| 23:18:04 | Bagder | and I can't figure out how to change sound settings |
| 23:18:06 | Zagor | that's usb1.1 speed... |
| 23:18:42 | Bagder | yeps |
| 23:18:50 | Bagder | I wonder if that's my fault... |
| 23:20:03 | Zagor | i'll try to remember to time my copying |
| 23:20:37 | Bagder | the rsync summary says how many bytes and at what speed |
| 23:22:05 | Bagder | and btw |
| 23:22:09 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/currency/ |
| 23:22:10 | Bagder | new host |
| 23:22:13 | Bagder | new feed |
| 23:23:07 | Zagor | ah, nice |
| 23:23:23 | Zagor | new layout too |
| 23:23:33 | Bagder | yeah, and improved functionality |
| 23:23:57 | Bagder | it now lists all countries even though several share currencies |
| 23:24:16 | Bagder | some are rather exotic |
| 23:24:17 | Zagor | ah |
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| 23:46:12 | Bagder | the WPS shows this stupid number |
| 23:46:20 | Bagder | which seems to be song number or something |
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