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| 09:05:52 | Zagor | i just noticed the iriver supports 38 languages! impressive. |
| 09:06:00 | LinusN | wow |
| 09:06:27 | Zagor | and I found the menu :) |
| 09:07:18 | dwihno | Just for fun, perhaps the comparison table should be updated with the iriver fw features as well? |
| 09:07:47 | Zagor | sure, why not |
| 09:09:15 | Zagor | Bagder: I got >10MB/s when copying |
| 09:11:59 | dwihno | When I copy to/from my archos, ~15 megs is not unusual |
| 09:12:14 | dwihno | but on the other hand, it's a different kind of disk :) |
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| 09:16:31 | Zagor | LinusN: i found a scroll setting, so you can actually get a "proper" right->left scroll. terribly slow though. |
| 09:33:11 | LinusN | impressive :-) |
| 09:47:28 | Zagor | the iriver resume is not mid-song |
| 09:47:47 | Zagor | but the remote control can power-on the unit. that's very nice. |
| 09:52:19 | Seed | Zagor: what iRiver model is that? |
| 09:53:10 | LinusN | H140 |
| 09:53:14 | Zagor | hmm, the remote "wps" shows folder name and song name, not artist. can't seem to be changed either. |
| 09:53:34 | LinusN | you can't even name the radio stations :-( |
| 09:53:39 | Zagor | ! |
| 09:53:57 | LinusN | but the radio reception is quite good, better than the archos fmrec |
| 09:54:23 | Zagor | ok. i understand the archos fm reception wasn't much to write home about? |
| 09:54:30 | LinusN | nope |
| 09:55:07 | LinusN | so "better than fmrec" doesn't really say much :-) |
| 09:56:11 | LinusN | now that i have a H140, i have actually tried to use it |
| 09:56:21 | Bagder | Zagor: ok, so there's something fishy with my usb as I used it |
| 09:56:25 | LinusN | and the ui drives me nuts |
| 09:56:30 | Bagder | LinusN: indeed |
| 09:56:36 | Zagor | Bagder: yes |
| 09:56:36 | Bagder | it is totally crap |
| 09:57:20 | LinusN | Bagder: usb problems? |
| 09:57:37 | Bagder | I got 1.1 speeds |
| 09:57:52 | Bagder | while my ports are supposed to be 2.0 |
| 09:58:02 | LinusN | oh |
| 09:58:32 | LinusN | kernel version? |
| 09:58:40 | Bagder | 2.6.5 |
| 09:58:42 | LinusN | usb in-kernel or as modules? |
| 09:58:47 | Bagder | modules |
| 09:59:00 | Zagor | 2.6.8 and built-in here |
| 09:59:02 | LinusN | 2.6.5? you're a true caveman... :-) |
| 09:59:16 | Bagder | haha |
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| 10:00:17 | Zagor | usb 1-5: new high speed USB device using address 5 |
| 10:00:42 | Bagder | I would be surprised if the kernel version is the explanation |
| 10:00:46 | Zagor | me too |
| 10:01:14 | LinusN | except for the zero-packet corruption problem... |
| 10:01:23 | Zagor | usb2 has been working since 2.4.20 or thereabout |
| 10:01:24 | LinusN | but maybe that doesn't apply here |
| 10:01:32 | Bagder | zero-packet corruption? |
| 10:02:07 | Zagor | LinusN: no it doesn't. the bug is that the error isn't noticed... |
| 10:02:42 | LinusN | Bagder: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20041201.txt |
| 10:03:10 | Zagor | Bagder: apparently, sometimes the iriver sends a zero-length packet back, which the linux usb stack wasn't prepared for. in 2.4 it resulted in an i/o error, but in 2.6 (<2.6.9) it was silently ignored. |
| 10:03:14 | LinusN | Zagor: and i think it only applied to the actual data transfers |
| 10:03:20 | Bagder | aha |
| 10:03:36 | Bagder | haven't bit me |
| 10:03:38 | Zagor | LinusN: yes |
| 10:03:43 | Zagor | Bagder: how would you know :) |
| 10:03:53 | Bagder | not that I've noticed at least |
| 10:04:39 | LinusN | Bagder: i assume you have tried all combinations of poweron-before-insert, insert-before-poweron etc |
| 10:04:44 | Bagder | no |
| 10:04:50 | Bagder | I haven't investigated much |
| 10:05:13 | Bagder | I'll try more later on |
| 10:11:31 | LinusN | the iriver is special, since the ISD300 is powerless until the usb is inserted |
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| 10:13:01 | Zagor | i did "power-on, then instert" |
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| 12:51:40 | Zagor | no mid-song resume and no ffwd/rew acceleration means it's not very fun listening to long files on it |
| 12:59:42 | LinusN | really lame |
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| 13:05:48 | Bagder | it is a rather lame firmware really |
| 13:06:41 | Zagor | i |
| 13:06:55 | Zagor | i'm trying not to be too critical yet :) |
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| 13:08:34 | ripnetUK | while on the topic of dissing the iRiver firmware, have you lot encountered the spin down bug? they forget to spin down the hdd in some instances, which drains the battary |
| 13:09:10 | Bagder | yes, I noticed a long spin time when moving in the dir browser |
| 13:09:12 | ripnetUK | i think it happens when you are playing a song, and then browse the tree, but DONT select a track |
| 13:09:19 | Bagder | exactly |
| 13:09:37 | Zagor | nasty |
| 13:09:57 | ripnetUK | and its remained unfixed in several firmeware releases |
| 13:10:30 | * | Bagder tried to insert the usb cable after powering up now - no diff |
| 13:10:42 | Bagder | "new full speed USB device" |
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| 13:11:14 | Bagder | time to upgrade kernel |
| 13:11:34 | [IDC]Dragon | hi guys, long time no see |
| 13:11:40 | Bagder | hi Jörg |
| 13:12:10 | [IDC]Dragon | I noticed this is iriver irc now ;-/ |
| 13:13:01 | Zagor | well, new toys naturally means chatting |
| 13:13:32 | [IDC]Dragon | hehe, yes |
| 13:14:27 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: you're welcome to join the iriver club |
| 13:14:38 | [IDC]Dragon | i once had such an iriver in my hands, in the shop |
| 13:15:12 | [IDC]Dragon | in real world, the quality appearance was much less than the pictures suggested |
| 13:15:46 | ripnetUK | i thought the build quality of iRiver kicks ass compared to archos |
| 13:15:54 | ripnetUK | at least recorder 20 era archos |
| 13:15:59 | amiconn | LinusN: Any chance that you do some tests on your comparatively boooring old player? Sorry for pestering you over and over, but I really want to get this out of the door. |
| 13:16:22 | amiconn | There was another request for player flashing in the forum today... |
| 13:17:03 | [IDC]Dragon | how about releasing it for new players meanwhile? |
| 13:17:16 | Zagor | ripnetUK: I agree, there is definitely a more solid feel to the iriver than my archos rec20 |
| 13:18:18 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: i agree that I should join |
| 13:18:27 | LinusN | amiconn: i'd like to do that too, but i haven't had a chance to do anything rockbox related for a long time |
| 13:18:47 | [IDC]Dragon | just so littly time these days |
| 13:18:53 | ripnetUK | the remote control is something else (in a good way)... really cant wait for custom WPS on that :) |
| 13:19:03 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I need to add the hd power probing to the bootloader... and need info for that on how veryoldplayers behave (those that don't have hd power control) |
| 13:19:08 | Bagder | the remote is *kewl* |
| 13:19:20 | Zagor | yeah |
| 13:19:30 | amiconn | Linus is the only person I know of who has a ver 3.x player... |
| 13:19:48 | ripnetUK | I used to nearly fall off my bike changing tracks on the ARchos, having the remote is a real bonus |
| 13:19:52 | Zagor | amiconn: I do too |
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| 13:20:30 | amiconn | Zagor: nice to know, perhaps you could help with the testing? |
| 13:20:41 | Bagder | now where in the kernel menuconfig do I enable udev? |
| 13:21:00 | amiconn | ripnetUK: There is an Archos remote too... |
| 13:22:12 | ripnetUK | rotfl... i had the archos remote |
| 13:22:46 | ripnetUK | was the biggest pile of **** ive ever had... it required its own power source, was made very cheeply (had to resolder the connections several times) |
| 13:23:01 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: no EL backlight here yet, should I worry? |
| 13:23:25 | amiconn | ripnetUK: It works ok for me. I once had one, then lost it. Got another one from ebay recently |
| 13:23:33 | ripnetUK | and there was no key-click to feedback that the unreliable buttons had actually registered |
| 13:23:45 | ripnetUK | (and of course no display) |
| 13:23:55 | Zagor | Bagder: udev is user-space. it get info from /sys and the hotplug system |
| 13:24:11 | Bagder | ah |
| 13:24:24 | Zagor | Bagder: so you need CONFIG_HOTPLUG and CONFIG_SYSFS |
| 13:24:26 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: not yet |
| 13:24:55 | Zagor | amiconn: i'm up for testing, time permitting |
| 13:24:58 | Bagder | Zagor: ok, those I have |
| 13:25:03 | ripnetUK | just out of interest, why do people continue to compile stuff directly into the kernel instead of using modules? |
| 13:25:28 | Zagor | because modules are a pain to configure? |
| 13:25:39 | amiconn | Zagor: Basically I need 2 tests on the oldplayer. One is very easy, just running a test plugin and report the result. This is for checking the hd power control probing |
| 13:26:03 | Zagor | nah, that's not entirely fair. personally it's more of a habit thing. |
| 13:26:31 | Zagor | amiconn: unfortunately I don't have the player here. it's at home. |
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| 13:28:24 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: is it flashable? |
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| 13:28:51 | Zagor | i don't know, haven't checked. i haven't even started it in months... |
| 13:30:16 | Zagor | weird. pause doesn't fade out, but resume fades in. |
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| 13:41:02 | amiconn | Zagor: The other test is a bit more involved, as it either needs the uart boot mod, or a flashable ROM |
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| 13:41:51 | amiconn | This is the one to test the lcd init for oldcld |
| 13:42:04 | amiconn | s/oldcld/old lcd/ |
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| 14:02:26 | Bagder | new kernel |
| 14:02:35 | Bagder | drumroll... |
| 14:03:09 | dwihno | *hihat* |
| 14:03:15 | dwihno | *banjo* |
| 14:03:16 | dwihno | \o/ |
| 14:03:21 | Bagder | "new full speed USB device" |
| 14:03:30 | Zagor | :( |
| 14:03:47 | Bagder | hm |
| 14:05:14 | Bagder | "new high speed USB device" |
| 14:05:15 | Bagder | hehe |
| 14:05:21 | Bagder | I am just sooo stupid |
| 14:05:23 | Zagor | wee |
| 14:05:33 | Bagder | ehci-hcd wasn't loaded |
| 14:05:41 | Bagder | only uhci_hcd was |
| 14:05:41 | Zagor | lol |
| 14:05:55 | Zagor | i actually suggested that to linus over lunch :) |
| 14:06:12 | Bagder | "nono, he can't be *that* silly" |
| 14:06:15 | dwihno | Bagder: so the new kernel wasn't really necessary? |
| 14:06:22 | Bagder | I don't think so |
| 14:06:31 | Bagder | not for this at least |
| 14:06:38 | dwihno | Well, at least, you got a shiny new kernel :D |
| 14:06:40 | Bagder | the zero read would be a reason though |
| 14:07:37 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: r u there? |
| 14:09:07 | LinusN | yup |
| 14:10:03 | [IDC]Dragon | I was thinking a bit about what "playback system we'd need" |
| 14:10:23 | LinusN | ??? |
| 14:10:26 | [IDC]Dragon | oops, quote error above |
| 14:10:47 | [IDC]Dragon | to be prepared for multiple codecs |
| 14:12:17 | LinusN | i and zagor have discussed this |
| 14:12:36 | LinusN | we will need a pcm playback engine, much like the one we have now for mp3 data |
| 14:12:53 | LinusN | and then a codec API that looks pretty much like your mp3 api |
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| 14:15:30 | dwihno | so what will you use the immense 16 meg buffer for? :) |
| 14:15:41 | LinusN | mp3 data |
| 14:15:52 | Zagor | dwihno: 32 meg |
| 14:15:55 | LinusN | and it will be more like 30meg |
| 14:15:58 | dwihno | Zagor: 32?!?!? |
| 14:16:01 | Zagor | yup |
| 14:16:02 | dwihno | whoa |
| 14:16:13 | dwihno | You can listen to music for AGES without a spinup |
| 14:16:19 | Zagor | yup |
| 14:16:22 | dwihno | So how does the iriver firmware utilize the extra buffer? |
| 14:16:36 | Zagor | 38 languages ;) |
| 14:16:37 | dwihno | is it rockbox-smart, or just plain stupid? :) |
| 14:16:41 | dwihno | ;) |
| 14:16:52 | Zagor | hard to say without extensive analysis |
| 14:17:02 | dwihno | Well, play some songs and listen for spinups |
| 14:17:18 | Zagor | for half an hour? no thanks... |
| 14:17:22 | dwihno | he |
| 14:17:27 | dwihno | perhaps not :) |
| 14:17:38 | dwihno | how much time will it take to buffer ~30 megs? |
| 14:17:52 | dwihno | I was going to say: "bitswap" as well ;) |
| 14:18:16 | Zagor | it seems the disk is pretty fast (since I got >10MB/s over usb) so I don't think it will take too long |
| 14:18:39 | dwihno | really, really nice |
| 14:19:02 | dwihno | how about the battery issue? is it possible to buy replacement cells? |
| 14:20:06 | LinusN | yes, but they are quite expensive afaik |
| 14:20:49 | ripnetUK | the iRiver firmware accesses the disk after each song, so its not 'rockbox smart' |
| 14:21:04 | ripnetUK | i suspect most of the 32meg is wasted |
| 14:22:48 | Zagor | how silly |
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| 14:23:33 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: sorry, I got distracted |
| 14:24:03 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm trying to squeeze out the bitswap |
| 14:24:24 | [IDC]Dragon | right now it's done across all buffered data |
| 14:24:33 | ripnetUK | surely there will come a point when its not worth filling the entire buffer, as im sure a lot of users are like me and rarely listen to the songs in their order, skipping (say) every other one |
| 14:24:35 | Zagor | $29: http://www.pdainternalbattery.com/irivermp3battery.html |
| 14:24:47 | [IDC]Dragon | but in fact, the bitswap is more a problem of the SPI output |
| 14:25:06 | [IDC]Dragon | it doesn't match the codec scheme |
| 14:25:09 | Zagor | ripnetUK: but since we can load 5-6 songs, it's still worth buffering them |
| 14:25:28 | [IDC]Dragon | and prevents/obstructs parsing in the buffered data |
| 14:26:43 | [IDC]Dragon | one reason why we have no audible FF/FR as of now |
| 14:26:55 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: That adds to the reasons why the swap should be done at the moment the data is needed, and not at load. I will try to play a bit with mas assembler. Maybe pcm playback is possible on the archos... |
| 14:27:26 | LinusN | amiconn: pcm playback is very much possible |
| 14:27:30 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: you don't have to try |
| 14:27:44 | amiconn | ??? |
| 14:27:46 | [IDC]Dragon | we have the MAS code for it |
| 14:27:56 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: no we don't |
| 14:27:57 | amiconn | That one is very limited. |
| 14:28:08 | [IDC]Dragon | but no documentation nor clearance from Archos yet |
| 14:28:14 | LinusN | the code we have doesn't work on our hardware |
| 14:28:28 | amiconn | (1) It only does 44.1 kHz 16 bit stereo (2) it needs parallel input |
| 14:28:44 | [IDC]Dragon | to my input, it should do serial as well |
| 14:28:55 | [IDC]Dragon | again, docs are missing |
| 14:28:56 | amiconn | If you simply change this to serial, we'd need SIBI control -> Ondio only |
| 14:29:14 | [IDC]Dragon | no, we don't need sibi for that |
| 14:29:51 | amiconn | Iirc, the mas knows 2 modes of serial data input, bitstream and word. For word input, it needs SIBI control |
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| 14:30:46 | leety-aravil | Hat jemand ein Bild von der Pinbelegung einer 2.5 Zoll Festplatte?? Speziell geht es mir darum, wo die Stromanschlüsse sind, weil die 2,5er HDDs ja keinen extra Stromstecker haben! |
| 14:31:00 | [IDC]Dragon | just relax, maybe we'll have the info by xmas |
| 14:31:09 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I'll look into mas asm, maybe it's possible to write a pcm "codec" that works with bitstream input (something like internal "s/pdif") |
| 14:31:11 | LinusN | leety-aravil: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/ata-atapi-v5.pdf |
| 14:31:50 | LinusN | leety-aravil: english, english, english |
| 14:32:02 | leety-aravil | sorry! |
| 14:32:09 | leety-aravil | my engish is very bad! |
| 14:32:14 | LinusN | vad skulle du säga om alla började prata svenska här? |
| 14:32:18 | leety-aravil | oh whitch site ist the picture? |
| 14:33:17 | leety-aravil | that are 383 Sites! |
| 14:33:21 | leety-aravil | ;D |
| 14:33:22 | LinusN | leety-aravil: somewhere in the end, i think |
| 14:33:39 | leety-aravil | is ist a picutre or an tabelle? |
| 14:33:48 | LinusN | try googling for "laptop hard drive pinout" or something |
| 14:35:04 | leety-aravil | i had |
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| 14:38:37 | MisticJeff | Greetings Gents!! |
| 14:38:47 | Zagor | howdy |
| 14:38:54 | LinusN | yo |
| 14:38:56 | MisticJeff | I see the "toys" have arrived |
| 14:39:07 | Zagor | yeah |
| 14:39:09 | LinusN | yup |
| 14:39:13 | MisticJeff | Noticed you were talking about replacement batteries. |
| 14:39:41 | dwihno | I did |
| 14:39:53 | dwihno | Tell me, are they hard to get? |
| 14:39:57 | LinusN | leety-aravil: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/REPAIR/F_Pinouts2.html#PINOUTS_027 |
| 14:40:18 | leety-aravil | thx |
| 14:40:31 | Zagor | dwihno: did you miss my link? |
| 14:40:49 | MisticJeff | There is a company in Germany that makes a 1900mAh Li Ion Polymer battery that fits perfectly and gives 29hr playback times on 128kbps mp3 files |
| 14:41:01 | Zagor | yay |
| 14:41:09 | Zagor | got a link? |
| 14:41:13 | MisticJeff | the link Zagor gave is for a standard OEM replacment battery |
| 14:41:41 | MisticJeff | unfortunately that company lost its investors and went insolvent about 1 month ago |
| 14:41:52 | MisticJeff | and with a couple hundred dollars of my money |
| 14:42:33 | Zagor | :( |
| 14:42:39 | MisticJeff | once they find new investors i'll be purchasing the batteries and selling them at MisticRiver. They will retail for approx. $39US |
| 14:42:58 | ripnetUK | mistic - put me down for one of them :) |
| 14:43:14 | dwihno | Zagor: probably |
| 14:43:21 | MisticJeff | You can figure OGG files at Q7/192kbps with 18hr runtimes |
| 14:43:39 | MisticJeff | ooppsss... Q6 |
| 14:43:57 | dwihno | With rockbox buffring, there wil be 40 hour playtime \o/ :) |
| 14:44:53 | MisticJeff | absolutely!! those guesstimates are with the current firmware, actually there were some test done by a German user and he achieved the 29hr results |
| 14:45:02 | ripnetUK | the default battary for iRiver is very good indeed... ive never had it crap out on me. My old Archos used to die half way there on a certain journey, whereas the iriver lasted all the way there, and back and still has 2 bars :) |
| 14:45:52 | MisticJeff | Better run and let the boys get back to work... ;-) |
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| 15:25:00 | Zagor | does anyone actually use those srs/wow equalisers? they sound really bad to my ears. |
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| 15:37:55 | ripnetuk | Zagor - I hate the SRS sounds, i keep accedently putting them on and wondering why it sounds crap |
| 15:38:08 | ripnetuk | i wish you could turn them off like the unused shuffle modes |
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| 16:07:02 | tboy | hoi |
| 16:07:09 | tboy | hi |
| 16:07:47 | tboy | can someone tell me where to find a chat like this on |
| 16:07:48 | tboy | e |
| 16:07:52 | tboy | but for c programming |
| 16:08:05 | Zagor | /join #c |
| 16:08:27 | tboy | thanks |
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| 17:50:16 | Tang | abouty the 38 language |
| 17:50:25 | Tang | it's not language in the menus |
| 17:50:36 | Tang | just cncern typo of tags/filenames |
| 17:50:51 | Tang | for exemple "é" in french etc... |
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| 18:14:05 | Tang | Also about the buffer |
| 18:14:18 | Tang | it's 16Mo for IHP110 and 115 |
| 18:14:27 | Tang | and 32Meg for iHP120 and 140 |
| 18:14:29 | Tang | :) |
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| 19:51:43 | Ralle[DK] | Does anyone know where I can buy an ordinary Remote Control for the Archos Jukebox Recorder??? not new |
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| 20:38:37 | jolombo | so it does |
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| 21:19:19 | Zagor | amiconn: i was wrong, the player I have here is 4.13. but that means linus should have two, since both our first players were 3.18. |
| 21:20:01 | amiconn | Hmm. Testing on 4.13 would still make sense: This one *should* have ata power control, but still old lcd. |
| 21:20:49 | Zagor | ok |
| 21:21:29 | amiconn | The lcd test however requires flashable rom, or uart boot mod (and a windows box, since noone adapted uart_boot to Linux) |
| 21:22:55 | amiconn | Btw: I would be interested in a rom dump of 4.13 |
| 21:23:08 | Zagor | Flash:??.?? unfortunately |
| 21:23:22 | amiconn | :( |
| 21:23:24 | Zagor | dumping rom... |
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| 22:15:13 | amiconn | hi [IDC]Dragon |
| 22:15:27 | [IDC]Dragon | hi to Berlin! |
| 22:15:33 | amiconn | :) |
| 22:15:44 | amiconn | re hi to Hanover! |
| 22:15:55 | [IDC]Dragon | \o/ |
| 22:16:31 | amiconn | I just polished the bootloader a bit (all hex values for registers match register width, plus "code police" work) |
| 22:17:15 | [IDC]Dragon | you may be the first |
| 22:17:31 | [IDC]Dragon | I don't know if I wrote it to Rockbox rules |
| 22:17:36 | amiconn | I wonder whether it would be a good idea to change the port manipulations to only affect the low/high byte where possible |
| 22:17:56 | [IDC]Dragon | makes it smaller, yes |
| 22:18:10 | [IDC]Dragon | (if byte accessible) |
| 22:18:51 | amiconn | P?DR and P?IOR are always byte accessible, used frequently in rockbox |
| 22:19:19 | [IDC]Dragon | and frequently as bytes, yes |
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| 22:22:23 | amiconn | If I change the bootloader that way, do you think the bootloader version should be bumped? |
| 22:22:57 | amiconn | (And then the question arises how to test it) |
| 22:23:04 | [IDC]Dragon | I would only bump it if we do a release |
| 22:23:17 | [IDC]Dragon | which I woudn't do as of now |
| 22:23:41 | amiconn | Okay. I can test on the player of course |
| 22:23:44 | [IDC]Dragon | for Player, it'll be version 1, like Ondio |
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| 22:24:17 | [IDC]Dragon | the recorder models still have the "old" bootloader, without a version stamp |
| 22:24:53 | [IDC]Dragon | but since we have no new features in there, why bother people |
| 22:25:12 | amiconn | Yeah, I thought so. |
| 22:26:01 | amiconn | Does the make_firmware tool fit the first image directly behind the loader, or is the first image also flash sector aligned? |
| 22:26:10 | [IDC]Dragon | no "daily build" of the bootloader |
| 22:26:24 | [IDC]Dragon | first image is directly behind |
| 22:26:58 | [IDC]Dragon | to save some space |
| 22:27:11 | [IDC]Dragon | and not meant to be changed |
| 22:27:22 | amiconn | Ah. Next question: How many bytes do we need to "conserve" in order to get one more free flash sector for Ondio FM? |
| 22:27:38 | * | [IDC]Dragon looks |
| 22:27:52 | [IDC]Dragon | (I doubt it's close) |
| 22:28:14 | amiconn | Maybe we are lucky... |
| 22:29:36 | [IDC]Dragon | firmware_ondiofm.bin ends at 0x15BCF |
| 22:29:47 | [IDC]Dragon | far from reach |
| 22:30:20 | [IDC]Dragon | can you save 3 KB? ;-) |
| 22:30:41 | amiconn | With the bootloader being ~1.6 KB in total ;( |
| 22:30:50 | [IDC]Dragon | compress it! |
| 22:33:12 | amiconn | Same question for FM recorder? |
| 22:33:19 | [IDC]Dragon | none of the images is closely over a sector boundary |
| 22:33:36 | * | amiconn spots a mistake in the RomBox wiki topic |
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| 22:46:29 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: The rombox build doesn't take the NO_ROM versions into account. Do the images for the no_rom version end at the same flash sector as the ordinary ones? |
| 22:47:10 | [IDC]Dragon | by chance, they do |
| 22:47:26 | [IDC]Dragon | because the images differ only slightly in size |
| 22:47:33 | amiconn | phew |
| 22:47:36 | [IDC]Dragon | (iirc) |
| 22:49:03 | amiconn | Could you check (for the rombox-able platforms that can have no_rom variants)? |
| 22:50:44 | [IDC]Dragon | V1 recorders are OK |
| 22:51:07 | [IDC]Dragon | those are the only ones I saw romless, in the wild |
| 22:51:19 | amiconn | Btw: How do you tell (from the pcb), whether a no_rom variant could exist? |
| 22:51:32 | [IDC]Dragon | but the PCBs are prepared for others, too |
| 22:52:31 | [IDC]Dragon | the chip selects for rom and flash region can be wire-ORed towards the flash chip, with a double diode |
| 22:53:11 | [IDC]Dragon | and one of the mode pins tells the CPU whether to use region 0 externally |
| 22:53:35 | [IDC]Dragon | so this pin has pullup or pulldown |
| 22:54:01 | [IDC]Dragon | the double diode is nomally bridged with 0 ohm |
| 22:54:12 | [IDC]Dragon | for the flash select only |
| 22:54:21 | amiconn | Just wanted to ask that :) |
| 22:54:45 | amiconn | Did you check the player and Ondio pcbs already? |
| 22:55:07 | [IDC]Dragon | FM/V2 and ondio, yes |
| 22:55:24 | [IDC]Dragon | have a look at my odio in the wiko |
| 22:55:49 | [IDC]Dragon | the pic with the LCD away |
| 22:56:17 | [IDC]Dragon | the (missing) double diode is close to the upper right of the CPU |
| 22:56:40 | [IDC]Dragon | the 3 pads |
| 22:56:57 | [IDC]Dragon | with 2 of them bridged by a 0 ohm resistor |
| 22:57:36 | [IDC]Dragon | got it? |
| 22:59:17 | amiconn | The zero-r is a little above the 3 pads, right? |
| 22:59:30 | [IDC]Dragon | yes |
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| 23:00:09 | [IDC]Dragon | I had my FM modded with this diode |
| 23:00:34 | [IDC]Dragon | by pulling down the mode pin, I could make it appear romless |
| 23:00:55 | [IDC]Dragon | and test the boot loader |
| 23:01:18 | amiconn | Ah, the mode switch pads are at the far upper left of the Ondio pcb, correct? |
| 23:01:35 | [IDC]Dragon | I haven't checked |
| 23:01:45 | amiconn | (top & left of that 4-pin smd device) |
| 23:05:54 | amiconn | The player cpu is at the wrong side of its pcb to check this without dissecting the pcb sandwich :( |
| 23:06:49 | [IDC]Dragon | I won't worry about romless players unless we see one |
| 23:07:15 | amiconn | Okay. The plugin should refuse to flash, as there is no correct image, right? |
| 23:08:16 | [IDC]Dragon | just checked my wreck: no such provision to be seen |
| 23:08:38 | [IDC]Dragon | the plugin would prompt for a _norom image |
| 23:08:53 | amiconn | (no provision) good :) |
| 23:09:14 | [IDC]Dragon | but my recorder also has none |
| 23:09:35 | [IDC]Dragon | and still, such other beasts exits |
| 23:09:37 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 23:10:29 | amiconn | Btw: I was an early user of your flash package with my recorder. I even flashed the one that changed the ROM version to 2.00 |
| 23:10:42 | [IDC]Dragon | my girlfriend had one, the PCB looked completely different, with a *huge* thick CPU chip |
| 23:11:18 | amiconn | Now my rom version is still off compared to the old state (Iirc I had 1.26 before, now I have 1.28). No ill side effects though |
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| 23:11:40 | [IDC]Dragon | is that address read by Archos? |
| 23:12:22 | [IDC]Dragon | 1.28 is good, it matched your new Archos image |
| 23:12:49 | [IDC]Dragon | the number is not preserved, unlike the mask |
| 23:13:26 | amiconn | The number is preserved with your newer flash plugins, iirc? |
| 23:13:41 | [IDC]Dragon | no, only the mask |
| 23:13:45 | amiconn | It definitely needs to be preserved on the player |
| 23:14:02 | [IDC]Dragon | for players, it's the version which is saved |
| 23:14:17 | amiconn | Yes, ok. |
| 23:14:47 | amiconn | The archos disk update version doesn't check the version. I don't know about the flash image |
| 23:14:52 | amiconn | (recorder) |
| 23:22:37 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Changing the P(A|B)(B|IO)R access to bytes alone does save very little (2 bytes for the high bytes, and nothing for the low bytes). Using the and_b / or_b macros would save more. |
| 23:23:07 | [IDC]Dragon | I thought that's what you meant |
| 23:23:31 | [IDC]Dragon | but it requires to set the basse |
| 23:23:49 | amiconn | Yup |
| 23:24:17 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe not everybody likes it (Archos image) |
| 23:24:50 | [IDC]Dragon | how about leaving it as it was |
| 23:25:03 | [IDC]Dragon | (sorry) |
| 23:25:32 | [IDC]Dragon | no gain, no pain |
| 23:26:20 | amiconn | Yes, maybe (although archos image shouldn't be confused. Archos works fine when rolo'ed from rockbox, which sets GBR to 0) |
| 23:33:22 | amiconn | I still get button glitches on the player, even with filtering. :-( Maybe this is because of the wires attached though. |
| 23:34:02 | [IDC]Dragon | hmm, no idea |
| 23:44:08 | amiconn | Zagor: still there? |
| 23:45:04 | Zagor | here again |
| 23:45:22 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: No Ondio FM on eBay (not "buy now") in the last time :( |
| 23:45:44 | amiconn | Zagor: I already wondered whether you got my last comments |
| 23:45:58 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: are you looking for one? |
| 23:46:00 | Zagor | yes, but I haven't done any test yet |
| 23:46:34 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: yes. The cheapest I could find is 109,- € (yagma.com) |
| 23:47:33 | [IDC]Dragon | are you becoming a collector, or are you unhappy with yours? |
| 23:48:00 | amiconn | No. This one is not for dev purposes. Of course it will get rockbox installed |
| 23:48:23 | [IDC]Dragon | xmas? |
| 23:48:27 | amiconn | yup |
| 23:48:32 | [IDC]Dragon | ah |
| 23:49:28 | [IDC]Dragon | are Ondios becoming rare now, too? |
| 23:50:26 | amiconn | Maybe, although the vendor that currently offers one on eBay germany even says "Neuheit" (!) |
| 23:51:26 | * | [IDC]Dragon spots a lot of code policing |
| 23:51:55 | amiconn | The bad thing is that you can't tell whether you will get one with a philips or a samsung tuner. |
| 23:52:26 | [IDC]Dragon | the new ones are most likely Philips |
| 23:52:39 | [IDC]Dragon | (I guess) |
| 23:54:34 | [IDC]Dragon | my Ondio was this one: |
| 23:54:35 | [IDC]Dragon | http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=47619&item=3836933451 |
| 23:56:09 | amiconn | Yeah. I got my SP from the same vendor |
| 23:56:27 | [IDC]Dragon | ah |
| 23:57:57 | amiconn | http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=47620&item=3838311151 |
| 23:58:40 | [IDC]Dragon | dirt cheap! |
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