| 00:00:25 | Bagder | we write a new firmware |
| 00:00:37 | Bagder | we don't change the iriver one |
| 00:00:58 | MikeW | so its not a case of changing a byte which had that screen hidden? |
| 00:01:29 | Bagder | it could possibly be that |
| 00:01:41 | Bagder | but that's not what we work with |
| 00:01:47 | MikeW | but no-one knows which byte it is |
| 00:02:12 | MikeW | the thing is, rockbox for iriver is miles off. iriver for iriver is here, and the feature is there, its just turned off |
| 00:02:41 | Bagder | you mean the rumours have it that way |
| 00:03:06 | MikeW | if someone could discover the feature, perhaps they could discover how to turn it on, and even if ye won't make a version of the firmware but mentioned which byte values have to be changed, I could perhaps update the firmware myself |
| 00:05:06 | MikeW | hmm, does DaveHooper use IRC? |
| 00:05:10 | Bagder | I doubt it is about toggling a byte or two |
| 00:05:24 | Bagder | but I don't know |
| 00:05:34 | Bagder | no idea on DaveHooper |
| 00:07:25 | MikeW | ah well, still think it would be interesting to hear what it sounds like |
| 00:07:37 | MikeW | man, its late. gtg |
| 00:07:39 | MikeW | thanks |
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| 07:21:15 | Josh-File | Blah? |
| 07:22:22 | Josh-File | Would it be possible to right a Chess or Checkers game for Rockbox? |
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| 07:29:28 | Josh-File | This is dead |
| 07:29:58 | Josh-File | Josh-Files +o |
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| 07:36:59 | LinusN | Josh-File: yes, it is certainly possible to write a chess game |
| 07:38:53 | Josh-File | Uh, I know a little bit of C++, what language is needed to program plugins/ |
| 07:43:45 | LinusN | C |
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| 07:46:08 | Josh-File | Will I need to do any mods to my Jukebox Recorder 15 to be able to recive data for testing, I don't know much about Archos Players, Only Got Today. |
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| 07:48:35 | LinusN | "data for testing"? |
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| 07:50:39 | Josh-File | Such as errors, dumplogs, and other things of that nature |
| 07:51:31 | LinusN | well, if you need a log, open a file and write to it |
| 07:51:49 | LinusN | then use USB to read it |
| 07:54:22 | Josh-File | Hmm seems easy enough, now to dig up that Chess AI I programed a while ago. |
| 07:55:05 | LinusN | you don't even need a jukebox to develop plugins |
| 07:55:14 | LinusN | you can use the simulator |
| 07:55:25 | Josh-File | Were is the simulator? |
| 07:55:53 | LinusN | in cvs |
| 07:56:50 | Josh-File | How much RAM is taken up by Rockbox its self? |
| 07:57:19 | LinusN | about 180k |
| 07:57:42 | LinusN | for the executable |
| 07:58:10 | LinusN | when you run it, you have roughly 1.6mb left for mp3 buffering |
| 07:59:13 | Josh-File | Yay, all thats left is to recreate the graphics, and map the buttons |
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| 08:01:02 | LinusN | remember, rockbox plugins have only 32kb at their disposal |
| 08:01:28 | Josh-File | Is $131 good for a Archos Recorder 15? |
| 08:01:50 | LinusN | sounds like a good deal |
| 08:02:01 | LinusN | it's the USB1.1 model? |
| 08:02:16 | Josh-File | Nope, 2.0 |
| 08:02:28 | Josh-File | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5735247305&ssPageName=ADME:B:BN:US:1 |
| 08:04:15 | Josh-File | This would be good for people who know the how to repair them http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48682&item=5736456806&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW |
| 08:04:35 | LinusN | good, most rec15 jukeboxes i've come across have only USB1.1 |
| 08:05:42 | Josh-File | I live in New-Zealand, Waiting for him to Email me back with shipping |
| 08:07:27 | Josh-File | Is the Image still viewable on the Screen in black and white? |
| 08:09:25 | LinusN | as opposed to? |
| 08:10:34 | Josh-File | Well, if you were viewing a cartoon or a movie, is it possible to make out the characters and tell what thier doing? |
| 08:11:04 | Josh-File | And can you output to a television? |
| 08:11:53 | LinusN | well, the movie playback is viewable, but not more than that |
| 08:12:05 | LinusN | and no, there is no video output |
| 08:12:55 | Josh-File | How is the audio quality? |
| 08:13:06 | LinusN | very good imho |
| 08:13:17 | dwihno | Greetings! |
| 08:13:23 | LinusN | yo dwihno |
| 08:14:39 | Josh-File | Is there a audio output? |
| 08:15:12 | LinusN | the Ear Out works as Line Out too, and you have coaxial S/PDIF in/out |
| 08:15:13 | dwihno | has the button code changes affected recorder units as well, or am I just experiencing the placebo effect? |
| 08:15:26 | LinusN | dwihno: eh? |
| 08:15:36 | dwihno | button code changes, perhaps a week ago or os |
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| 08:16:00 | LinusN | yes, but what effect are you referring to? |
| 08:16:20 | dwihno | feels like the interface is more responsive :) |
| 08:17:11 | Josh-File | Yay with the money I save from getting a Zen Touch, I can afford some Grado SR-80 Headphones and a Headsave Classic. |
| 08:17:39 | LinusN | dwihno: pure imagination |
| 08:18:09 | dwihno | LinusN: Guess so :) |
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| 08:28:55 | adi|hotel | anyone awake? |
| 08:29:19 | Josh-File | I am |
| 08:29:37 | Josh-File | Its only 8:30 Pm on Wendsday In New Zealand |
| 08:33:57 | LinusN | adi|hotel: howdy |
| 08:37:54 | Josh-File | Dead............. |
| 08:39:16 | Josh-File | My Cats Sleeping on my at the moment |
| 08:40:00 | Josh-File | 2nd My=Me |
| 08:41:07 | Josh-File | Now that These players are becoming rare, what are you going to do when no-one has one? |
| 08:42:35 | LinusN | rest? |
| 08:42:56 | LinusN | well, we are porting rockbox to the iriver H-series |
| 08:43:02 | Josh-File | Yay |
| 08:43:19 | Josh-File | So you're not going to work on the AV300/400's? |
| 08:43:27 | LinusN | nope |
| 08:43:34 | Josh-File | Irivers are cool |
| 08:43:37 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort |
| 08:45:02 | LinusN | but the H1xx series is going out of production as well :-) |
| 08:45:38 | Josh-File | Does the firmware have a Private key at all? |
| 08:46:12 | LinusN | "the firmware"? |
| 08:46:17 | LinusN | "private key"? |
| 08:47:21 | LinusN | i'll try to decipher your question: "is the firmware encrypted?" |
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| 08:47:33 | LinusN | and the answer is "yes" |
| 08:47:41 | LinusN | morning Zagor |
| 08:47:49 | Zagor | morning |
| 08:48:02 | Josh-File | What Encryption Standerd Does it have? |
| 08:48:14 | LinusN | which firmware are you referring to? |
| 08:48:22 | LinusN | archos or iriver? |
| 08:48:25 | Josh-File | Iriver |
| 08:49:14 | Josh-File | I can Crack DES, but not 3DES |
| 08:49:41 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverToolsGuide#A_short_description_of_the_decry |
| 08:50:19 | LinusN | i don't know if that algorithm is standard or not |
| 08:51:35 | Josh-File | What Is the Encryption Standerd of Archos? |
| 08:52:02 | Zagor | it's not a standard, it's home-cooked |
| 08:53:36 | Josh-File | Anyone here a Audiophile apart from me? |
| 08:54:23 | Zagor | well, depends on the meaning of the term. several of us appreciate good sound. |
| 08:54:56 | Josh-File | Well, Hmm, anyone know what Grado SR-80's are? |
| 08:55:00 | Zagor | yes |
| 08:55:26 | Josh-File | You know what a EMU 0404 is? |
| 08:55:46 | Zagor | the sound card? |
| 08:55:50 | Josh-File | Yep |
| 08:56:14 | Zagor | sure |
| 08:56:21 | Josh-File | Since you know, I'm going to presume you have a sweet setup, what do you have? |
| 08:57:14 | Zagor | i don't, actually... :) just a basic NAD with b&w 503s. |
| 08:58:55 | Josh-File | Heh, Basic Now, but hoping to get some alessandro MS1's with a Headsave Classic |
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| 09:03:07 | Josh-File | 0_0 my chair just collapsed when I was sitting on it\ |
| 09:03:27 | Zagor | neato. personally I only listen to headphones when I'm on the move, so I haven't listened much to the high-end "stationary use" ones. |
| 09:08:09 | Josh-File | Whats a Fair Price to Pay for a Archos Jukebox Recorder 15 (USB 2.0) |
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| 09:10:24 | Zagor | first, I'd look for 20s. the 15 is a fringe model that reportedly exist in both USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 variants. the rec20 only exists in USB 2.0. |
| 09:11:21 | Josh-File | I've already payed for it, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5735247305&ssPageName=ADME:B:BN:US:1 says its USB 2.0 and look at his feedback |
| 09:12:12 | Zagor | ok. $131 seems like a good price. |
| 09:12:43 | Zagor | "Rockbox Software installed. (priceless) This makes your archos 500% better." :-) |
| 09:13:36 | Josh-File | Zagor, How long did it take to code Rockbox? |
| 09:14:03 | Zagor | well, we started nov 2001. |
| 09:15:14 | Josh-File | Wow, you should devoloup some relationship between Smash and Rockbox, such as you type your message, then when you connect it to a PC, it sends the message |
| 09:15:31 | Zagor | :) |
| 09:15:48 | Zagor | i don't know who would want to type messages on the archos... |
| 09:17:35 | Josh-File | Hmm, Virtual Keyboard. |
| 09:19:36 | Josh-File | Is Smash possible of Spam Sending Messages |
| 09:19:55 | Zagor | if smash can send spam? sure. |
| 09:20:03 | LinusN | Josh-File: if the pictures on the ebay page are of the actual unit, it might be USB1.1 after all |
| 09:20:40 | Josh-File | What do you estimate the maximum messages sent per minite would be? |
| 09:20:40 | LinusN | the text on the jukebox says "USB Hard Disk", but my rec20 says "USB2.0 Hard Disk" |
| 09:21:05 | LinusN | Josh-File: it depends on the SMSC |
| 09:21:15 | Zagor | i'd mail the seller and request assurance that the device is indeed usb 2.0 |
| 09:21:56 | LinusN | Josh-File: but if you use smash for sending spam, i'd personally seek you up and hit you :-) |
| 09:22:05 | Zagor | Josh-File: smash uses dial-up sms centers, which charge per message. so I doubt many people are going to use it for spamming. |
| 09:23:57 | Josh-File | So its added onto your phonebill |
| 09:24:02 | Josh-File | Damn |
| 09:25:37 | Josh-File | Linis and Zagor, I notice your both from Sweden, do you know each other in real life? |
| 09:25:44 | Zagor | yes |
| 09:26:52 | Josh-File | I'm amazed how much a simple google search of a name brings up. |
| 09:27:10 | Zagor | :) |
| 09:28:51 | Josh-File | The labb.contactor.se email adress, it this a public or a private email service? |
| 09:31:04 | Zagor | private |
| 09:32:42 | Josh-File | I can't read swedish, how do you get one? |
| 09:33:57 | Zagor | well, you set up a machine and connect it to the net. |
| 09:34:31 | Josh-File | Do you know whats painful, my Jukebox Recorder 15 would arrive on the day before christmas, but since they don't deliver on that day, it'll get there 1 day after |
| 09:35:45 | Zagor | ow :) |
| 09:37:14 | Josh-File | Is there anything special you need to do after you've coded the extextion file to make it work? |
| 09:37:46 | Zagor | i don't follow you. what are you trying to do? |
| 09:38:47 | Josh-File | Make a chess game, I've got the code ready, but how do you make it work as a RockBox Extention File? |
| 09:39:05 | Josh-File | Coded In C++ |
| 09:39:26 | Zagor | have you built rockbox? |
| 09:39:57 | Josh-File | No. |
| 09:40:02 | Zagor | see here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
| 09:41:42 | Josh-File | Im amazed no-ones made a Chess game before, its a pretty popular game. |
| 09:42:20 | Zagor | yeah. how are you representing the pieces? |
| 09:44:38 | Josh-File | IDK, I took some source from a game that works on PC's, but it used way to much RAM to use on Archos. |
| 09:46:15 | Josh-File | I really dont wanna make my on program, I'm to noobish for that, So I try to mod some other source to work on Rockbox |
| 09:48:16 | Zagor | be prepared it will take lots of modifications. for starters, the display is a lot smaller on the archos than on any pc. it's even smaller than most modern phones. and the graphic routines are nothing like on a PC either. |
| 09:49:15 | Josh-File | Are they simular to phones? |
| 09:49:46 | Zagor | no, they are home-cooked like everything else |
| 09:50:49 | Josh-File | is it possible to add a new core to the player to make it faster? |
| 09:51:20 | Zagor | a new core? you mean like a faster cpu? |
| 09:51:27 | Josh-File | Yes |
| 09:51:31 | Zagor | no, it's not |
| 09:54:08 | Josh-File | With the Calcuator Plugin, I could take the player to School and Say that its my Calcuator. |
| 09:54:23 | Zagor | :) |
| 09:54:43 | Josh-File | But a reason for bringing headphones............ |
| 09:57:18 | Josh-File | Is it possible to view cartoons enough to understand whats going on? |
| 09:58:22 | Josh-File | Zagor, what time's it there? |
| 09:58:40 | Zagor | 10:00 |
| 09:58:51 | Zagor | and yes, you can view cartoons |
| 09:58:54 | Josh-File | AM or PM? |
| 09:59:03 | Zagor | we have 24-hour time here, so it's am |
| 09:59:21 | Josh-File | Its 2200 here |
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| 10:00:39 | Josh-File | Zagor, what Archos Players do you own? |
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| 10:02:09 | Josh-File | AciD` are you there, or are you just connecting automaticly? |
| 10:02:35 | Zagor | Jukebox 6000, Recorder 20 and AV340. |
| 10:02:47 | Zagor | he is our resident yoyo |
| 10:03:09 | Josh-File | Is the AV340 Worth it? |
| 10:03:59 | Zagor | depends on what you want to do. it's got a great screen for watching movies. but I never use it, so for me it was a waste of money. |
| 10:05:15 | Josh-File | If you could get the AV320 for $200, would it be worth it? |
| 10:06:26 | Zagor | as I said, it depends on what you want to do. do you want to watch movies on the go? then yes, it's probably a good machine. but if you just want an mp3 player it's not a good choice. |
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| 10:13:48 | Josh-File | Ok, Whos really here and not just idling in this channel? |
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| 10:15:46 | LinusN | we have a ~80% idle rate in this channel :-) |
| 10:15:52 | dwihno | It's a good thing! |
| 10:16:00 | dwihno | It looks better in the statistics |
| 10:16:30 | Josh-File | heh |
| 10:17:42 | Josh-File | LOOK ITS A STONED MONKEY OVER THERE <−−−−−−- *Rubs away* |
| 10:17:56 | Josh-File | Ooops Rubs should be Runs |
| 10:18:02 | Josh-File | *Runs away* |
| 10:21:11 | * | Bagder unidles and looks around |
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| 10:22:44 | * | Josh-File goes to badgerbadgerbadger.com |
| 10:23:32 | * | Bagder awaits Josh-File to read his nick again |
| 10:23:48 | Josh-File | uh, my nick? |
| 10:23:56 | Bagder | my nick |
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| 10:26:40 | * | HCl frowns.. |
| 10:27:33 | * | Bagder decides its time for coffee |
| 10:27:43 | HCl | hmm. |
| 10:27:46 | HCl | not a bad idea. |
| 10:27:51 | HCl | though i have energydrink.. |
| 10:28:11 | * | Josh-File Drinks Badgers Coffee and HC1's Coffe And Energydrink |
| 10:29:08 | * | HCl goes to class... |
| 10:29:36 | * | Josh-File eats HC1s class |
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| 11:50:36 | bobTHC | hi all |
| 11:52:13 | bobTHC | anybody already try to install a Samsung SpinPoint M40 Series harddrive in Archos recorder??? |
| 11:53:45 | bobTHC | http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?eUser=&prod_id=MP0804H&selTab=Specifications |
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| 12:12:18 | darkskiez | bobTHC, that looks huge |
| 12:12:49 | darkskiez | 3.94" x 2.75" x 0.37" |
| 12:13:05 | darkskiez | is that not a laptop hard disk |
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| 12:17:06 | #>> | "0.37 inches" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
| 12:17:13 | #>> | "convert 0.37 inches" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
| 12:17:21 | Zagor | oh :) |
| 12:17:59 | Zagor | anyway, it will fit but will draw more power since it's spinning at 5400 rpm instead of the normal 4200 rpm |
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| 12:46:11 | LinusN | those disconnects are really getting on my nerves |
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| 13:28:45 | darkskiez | LinusN, can you not configure your client to ignore them? |
| 13:29:43 | Zagor | i don't want to ignore them. i want to see when people come and go. i just don't want to see a silly bot/buggy client come and go every 10 minutes. |
| 13:30:57 | darkskiez | Not all of them, just his :] |
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| 13:36:54 | LinusN | darkskiez: we log this channel, it's annoying to have it in the logs as well |
| 13:37:26 | darkskiez | ban it/him? |
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| 13:42:17 | _c0utta | die die die |
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| 13:44:49 | c0utta | was anyone kind enough to check out patch 911756 to correct a bookmarking bug ? |
| 13:54:47 | Zagor | not me. I'm in a bit of a "low" right now, having very little time for rockbox hacking |
| 13:58:53 | c0utta | it's such a major bug that i thought it would have been picked up a year ago |
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| 14:00:01 | Zagor | well, you know. some of these modern bugs are multi-resistant :) |
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| 14:01:01 | LinusN | afaicr, you are the only one that have complained, except for the guy who wrote the patch |
| 14:01:11 | LinusN | so it can't be that major |
| 14:02:17 | c0utta | major to me :) |
| 14:04:28 | c0utta | looks like i'll be reinstalling the dev environment again |
| 14:04:53 | c0utta | i'll get back to you when i've verified/updated the patch |
| 14:05:08 | LinusN | i'm looking at it now |
| 14:06:40 | c0utta | you are a beautiful man linus |
| 14:08:01 | * | [IDC]Dragon looks at Linus' picture... |
| 14:11:46 | c0utta | i must get some sleep. i'll check the patch tracker to see how you go linus... |
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| 14:17:36 | Zagor | the iriver firmware appears to only ever use two shades of gray |
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| 14:22:25 | [IDC]Dragon | plus black and white? |
| 14:22:37 | [IDC]Dragon | (that would be the 4 levels) |
| 14:22:42 | LinusN | yup |
| 14:23:26 | [IDC]Dragon | that's as much as it can do, iirc |
| 14:26:36 | LinusN | yup |
| 14:35:20 | Zagor | no, it only uses white,gray and black. there is one more level never uses. |
| 14:35:21 | Zagor | used |
| 14:36:07 | Zagor | at least I can't see it used anywhere |
| 14:36:24 | Zagor | they dither instead |
| 14:36:25 | dwihno | Do I hear you say font antialiasing? :) |
| 14:36:31 | Zagor | no you don't :) |
| 14:36:39 | bobTHC | :) |
| 14:36:41 | dwihno | yes I do! :) |
| 14:36:54 | dwihno | <Zagor> Meesa want font-aliasing-wingbang! |
| 14:36:55 | dwihno | :-) |
| 14:37:23 | dwihno | Speaking of which, isn't it time for the third star wars movie anytime soon? |
| 14:38:16 | Zagor | "Status: Post-production" −− http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121766/ |
| 14:38:57 | Zagor | "18 months' post-production began mid-September" |
| 14:39:14 | dwihno | Chewbacca \o/ |
| 14:39:32 | dwihno | <boo>jar-jar</boo> |
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| 14:59:02 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: "they dither instead"? where? |
| 14:59:23 | Zagor | the wps progress bar is one example |
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| 15:00:54 | [IDC]Dragon | perhaps they liked a pattern |
| 15:00:55 | Zagor | and various icons |
| 15:01:10 | [IDC]Dragon | hmm, strange |
| 15:01:29 | Zagor | well the bar is drawn as several strips of gray, lightest on top then dithered and then black at the bottom |
| 15:02:00 | [IDC]Dragon | did anybody calculate if we can update the display for each scan? |
| 15:02:14 | * | [IDC]Dragon thinks of temporal dithering again |
| 15:02:51 | Zagor | i haven't |
| 15:04:03 | [IDC]Dragon | is there something like a VSYNC? |
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| 15:15:19 | midk_ | how many shades of gray is the iriver's display? |
| 15:15:22 | midk_ | 4? |
| 15:15:24 | midk_ | must be 16 |
| 15:15:37 | Bagder | nope, 4 |
| 15:16:22 | midk_ | hmm.. temporal dithering sounds like a good idea :) |
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| 16:27:44 | ripnetuk | did we establish that the iRiver H140 has 32megs of ram? |
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| 18:29:48 | Tang | Hi anyone know if Badger have solved his playlist isue? |
| 18:30:53 | Tang | About the buffer size |
| 18:31:13 | Tang | i think it was notified on the iRiver FAQ |
| 18:31:32 | Tang | but with the new website design would be hard to retrieve this |
| 18:31:35 | Tang | :( |
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| 18:58:04 | Leety-Aravil | hi |
| 18:58:09 | Leety-Aravil | speeks anyone german? |
| 18:58:22 | Bagder | buffer size? |
| 18:58:36 | Leety-Aravil | ??? |
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| 19:23:05 | Tang | hi Badger |
| 19:23:32 | Tang | Someone asked if the buffer memory was 32 or 16Mb |
| 19:23:37 | Tang | for the iHP140 |
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| 20:04:45 | dwihno | Tang: you're an iriver owner? |
| 20:05:04 | Tang | yes indeed |
| 20:05:15 | Tang | i own an iHP120 |
| 20:07:51 | dwihno | Are they neat? |
| 20:09:56 | Cassandra | Their software sucks according to the all-knowing Rockbox list. |
| 20:10:31 | Cassandra | You know, one day in the not too distant future developers will design their hardware to be Rockbox compatible. |
| 20:11:31 | dwihno | That would be really nice |
| 20:11:35 | dwihno | Really, really nice. |
| 20:11:52 | Tang | hum sorry i've to see with a translato |
| 20:12:05 | Tang | the meaning of "neat" |
| 20:12:13 | Tang | neat=cool? |
| 20:12:34 | Cassandra | It'll happen. Give Rockbox a year or two and it'll do everything you could possibly want from a portable media player. Why develop your own software when better stuff is out there at zero cost? |
| 20:12:49 | dwihno | elegant, cool :) |
| 20:13:23 | dwihno | Cassandra: I'd love to see it happen, but my guts tell me, something has to happen before. |
| 20:13:35 | Tang | i own the champaign version of iHP120 |
| 20:13:42 | Tang | i like his look |
| 20:13:46 | Cassandra | Well, Rockbox has to get more portable. That's coming though. |
| 20:13:50 | dwihno | Cassandra: you think the giants such as iriver or creative would use such firmware? |
| 20:13:52 | Tang | much more "neat" than all pictures |
| 20:14:15 | Cassandra | dwhi |
| 20:14:24 | Tang | The hardware is really cool |
| 20:14:30 | Tang | (optical in/out etc) |
| 20:14:46 | Cassandra | not a first, but who sells wireless ap routers these days that *aren't* running Linux under the cover? |
| 20:14:47 | Tang | just a pity how the firmware sucks |
| 20:15:19 | Tang | and more than the firmware it's the firmware support from iRiver wichi is simply null |
| 20:15:32 | Tang | That's the big issue |
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| 20:15:54 | Cassandra | Once one of the smaller players starts it, the others will play catch up. |
| 20:15:58 | Tang | (that's why the Rockbox port is the best thing that could happen) |
| 20:16:16 | Tang | i've to go |
| 20:16:18 | dwihno | With rockbox running on the iriver, you think there will be a ketchup effect? |
| 20:16:19 | Tang | cheers |
| 20:16:29 | Tang | a ketchup effect? |
| 20:16:35 | Cassandra | Although in that time frame large capacity MP3 players will also be heading towards commodity prcing - all the more reason not to pay for firmware if you don't have to. |
| 20:16:38 | Tang | Was is das? |
| 20:16:57 | dwihno | will hackers from around the globe bend open their zens just to help the porting effort? |
| 20:17:14 | Cassandra | I hope so. That'd be kind of cool. |
| 20:17:32 | Cassandra | As they get obsolete, they'll fall into people's tinkering price range. |
| 20:17:45 | Cassandra | So it may happen. |
| 20:18:28 | dwihno | Let's keep our fingers crossed. |
| 20:20:43 | Tang | Hum i don't think so |
| 20:21:05 | Tang | the Rockbox project is alive for years |
| 20:21:22 | Tang | their firmware are releasble for many Archos stuff |
| 20:21:44 | Cassandra | At the moment we have the best software for an obsolete platform. |
| 20:21:56 | Tang | and apart Rockbox himself there has been nothing but vapourware about alt firmware project |
| 20:22:07 | Cassandra | As rockbox becomes easier to port, that situation will change. |
| 20:22:23 | Tang | The iHP isn't really obsolet |
| 20:22:44 | Cassandra | Nope, but it might be by the time the port is done. |
| 20:22:51 | Tang | it's simply the only deck with optical in/out |
| 20:23:09 | Tang | the production is discontinued |
| 20:23:11 | Cassandra | (But probably not - coldfire as an embedded platform has a lot more life in it than the SH1 |
| 20:23:29 | Tang | but the devicespotential is still here |
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| 20:24:50 | Tang | will depend on time it will take to make the port real |
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| 20:25:21 | Tang | I've to go, regards |
| 20:25:27 | Tang | Tanguy |
| 20:27:25 | dwihno | regards |
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| 20:35:46 | Digital007 | hi |
| 20:45:25 | dwihno | hi! |
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| 20:46:25 | quelsaruk | good evening |
| 20:49:14 | Digital007 | hi there |
| 20:50:31 | Digital007 | everyone on misticriver.net is praying for rockbox on the iriver |
| 20:52:10 | Digital007 | Bagder when rockbox is ported to iriver can u customise the WPS like the Archos to suit your requirements? |
| 20:53:03 | dwihno | weI there will be wps |
| 20:53:03 | dwihno | as well probably a separate wps on the remote as well |
| 20:53:08 | dwihno | wups |
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| 20:53:56 | Digital007 | yea because im hoping to make the irivers' WPS look like the iPods with the words "Now Playing" on the top centre of the screen |
| 20:54:08 | Cassandra | The interface will remain the same, at least initially so yes, custom WPS will certainly be available. |
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| 20:54:18 | Digital007 | A mate of mine has bought a Creative Labs Zen Touch |
| 20:54:44 | Digital007 | the interface on the Zen Touch is almost identical to the iPod |
| 20:56:24 | Digital007 | even the touchstrip makes the same clicking sound as the ipods wheel |
| 20:59:03 | dwihno | damn those copycats :) |
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| 21:01:54 | Cassandra | Thank you XP tablet edition for deciding I am no longer worthy to use the input panel. |
| 21:01:57 | Cassandra | *sigh* |
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| 21:24:19 | Digital007 | well white with silver backs seems popluar |
| 21:24:21 | Digital007 | popular |
| 21:27:13 | Digital007 | see ipod, zen touch, |
| 21:27:33 | Cassandra | My Archsos has a silver back. |
| 21:27:38 | Cassandra | All the paint came off. |
| 21:40:21 | Cassandra | And therein I suspect lies the reason why silver backs are popular. |
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| 21:49:52 | dwihno | Cassandra: my paint has come off on the entire unit... it looks rather torn |
| 21:49:56 | dwihno | Still ticking though! |
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| 22:07:35 | Cassandra | God knows how they survive with Archos crappy design process. |
| 22:08:13 | Cassandra | Mine is still running because I soldered the two pins that comprise Archos idea of a power connector together. |
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| 22:16:55 | dwihno | I've had my unit for 2 years, 6 months and 15 days |
| 22:17:00 | dwihno | It's been rock solid |
| 22:17:04 | dwihno | I've opened it up twice. |
| 22:17:18 | dwihno | Once to get rid of some dirt and polish the display |
| 22:17:27 | dwihno | the second time, to put i a new disk |
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| 22:37:18 | Cassandra | You have been lucky. |
| 22:37:36 | Cassandra | My original Jukebox went back twice under warranty. |
| 22:37:45 | Cassandra | The second time Archos lost it. |
| 22:38:15 | Bagder | my first was stolen |
| 22:39:35 | dwihno | :( |
| 22:39:40 | Cassandra | Can't really blame Archos for that. :) |
| 22:39:49 | dwihno | My unit has been put through a lot of stress. I always ride my bike to work |
| 22:39:57 | dwihno | Even during the winters |
| 22:40:00 | Cassandra | Unless there's some sinister conspiracy I'm not in on. |
| 22:40:06 | dwihno | So I keep the unit in my chest pocket :) |
| 22:40:12 | dwihno | Still rolling |
| 22:40:13 | dwihno | \o/ |
| 22:40:38 | Cassandra | Hope you don't listen while cycling. That sounds dangerous (mostly to you) |
| 22:44:45 | dwihno | The city is great for bikers |
| 22:45:11 | dwihno | I cross the streets only 4-5 timmes on my way to work |
| 22:45:31 | dwihno | which is, at the other part of the town |
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| 22:52:55 | Cassandra | Ah - that's different. I've lived in the two most bike friendly cities in England and there's no way you're getting around in them without going on the road. |
| 22:53:13 | Cassandra | heya amiconn |
| 22:53:29 | amiconn | hi |
| 22:53:43 | dwihno | Cassandra: The perks of northern sweden \o/ |
| 22:53:51 | dwihno | (and of course, the penguins and polar bears) |
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| 23:16:34 | Bagder | penguins and polar bears at the same place is truly an unusual sight |
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| 23:19:32 | markun | I'm having a little trouble building a cross compiler for m68k-elf, maybe someone here can help? |
| 23:20:09 | Bagder | you follow the wiki page description? |
| 23:20:49 | markun | Yes, I used the CVS version of binutils, compiled without a problem. |
| 23:21:14 | markun | When compiling gcc-3.4.2 I get an assambler error |
| 23:21:37 | markun | Like this: /var/tmp//ccnj65kR.s:29: Error: operands mismatch −− statement `fmovem.l %fpcr,%d1' ignored |
| 23:21:54 | Bagder | actually, my experience with building gcc is that it often is troublesome |
| 23:22:31 | Bagder | markun: and the PATH is set correctly before you tried this I assume? |
| 23:22:50 | markun | I also tried gcc-3.4.3, but got the same problem. It's while compiling ./libgcc2.c |
| 23:23:15 | Bagder | I haven't built the m68k-elf myself yet |
| 23:23:26 | markun | Yes, I used the right path. It the binutils fine during ./configure |
| 23:23:41 | markun | .. detected .. |
| 23:24:08 | markun | I'm using FreeBSD 6.0 btw.. |
| 23:24:22 | Bagder | we have gcc 3.4.1 m68k-elf on the web host |
| 23:24:31 | Bagder | so that worked for Linus |
| 23:24:47 | markun | you used the binutils from cvs? |
| 23:25:10 | Bagder | Linus did, yes, he's the one who sent in the patches needed to make things work |
| 23:26:58 | markun | I can try gcc-3.4.1, maybe that helps (the wiki page told me to use 3.4.2 for m68k-elf..) |
| 23:27:47 | Bagder | yes, I see that |
| 23:28:13 | Bagder | it makes me suspect that Linus got it working with 3.4.2 |
| 23:29:27 | markun | It also doesn't mention any patches to get m68k-elf to compile |
| 23:29:48 | Bagder | m68k-elf? |
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| 23:30:37 | markun | well, gcc-3.4.2 for m68k-elf |
| 23:30:56 | Bagder | no, there shouldn't be any needed patches |
| 23:31:31 | Bagder | unless I've missed something |
| 23:35:10 | markun | Do you think it would be a good idea to add more unicode support for platforms with some more ram? (iriver H1XX) |
| 23:36:58 | Bagder | yes I think so |
| 23:37:08 | markun | I wrote a little utf-8 decoder |
| 23:37:22 | markun | and converted a unicode bdf font. |
| 23:37:42 | markun | Now I want to see if I can the tags from vorbis files with libtremor. |
| 23:40:32 | markun | I was realy surprized to see that the stock firmware of my iriver even displays the esperanto titles in some of my ogg files right :) |
| 23:40:53 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:41:09 | Bagder | I was surprised to see that it failed to read the id3 tags of some of my mp3s ;-) |
| 23:41:21 | markun | I did not try any mp3 files so far |
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| 23:43:06 | markun | Did you notice the bug that sometimes the HD doesn't spinn down? |
| 23:43:21 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:43:36 | Bagder | I found it amusing ;-) |
| 23:44:23 | markun | It's very easy to triger. |
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| 23:47:33 | markun | One more question about gcc: can I just as well download gcc-core-3.4.2.tar.bz2 instead of gcc-3.4.2.tar.bz2? |
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