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#rockbox log for 2004-12-14

00:01:12amiconnp.21, F3 quick screen buttons: Down controls the upside down setting (was indeed invert in 2.1)
00:03:35CassandraDelete Directory: Deletes the directory pointed to by the cursor and all the files and directories contained in it. Use with caution.
00:03:57LinusNsounds good
00:04:25amiconnp.24, recording button functions: Play while recording pauses the recording, pressing it again continues. A new file is started with F3 (while recording, while not recording it's still quick screen)
00:06:35CassandraOk, I've added those at the bottom
00:08:15amiconnp.25, time split options: There are additional values, 1:14 and 1:20 (standard CD lengths)
00:14:12amiconnp.33/34: Why is there a page break between the 2 MDB oiptions?
00:15:50CassandraMistake. It's fixed.
00:16:08CassandraI removed all the manual page breaks. Missed that one.
00:17:10amiconnp.36, sort directories: "This" with T in bold
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00:18:22amiconnp.37, caption backlight: dito
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00:22:06amiconnp.39, battery capacity setting: On the recorder v1, it's not only used to calculate the remaining runtime, but also the maximum charging time and thus affects charging.
00:24:01quelsarukhehe... amiconn.. the manual's police ;)
00:24:46amiconnLinusN: Iirc sleeptimer is also available on players (??)
00:25:56amiconnCassandra: (p.40 in case it is)
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00:29:21LinusNsleep timer works on all models, yes
00:29:33CassandraWell, it's a damn good job he's here. I just don't know Rockbox as well as he does.
00:29:41amiconnp.42, voice limitations: "Plugins and the wake up alarm *and* ..." marked word is superfluous
00:32:14amiconnWell, I'll stop here (p.46). Need to sleep, as I have to get up early tomorrow (today :-/ )
00:32:32amiconnNite all
00:32:36LinusNwell done amiconn
00:32:38quelsarukgood night
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00:45:15CassandraLinus does Rockbox do mp3 2,5 or is that included in the faq for completenes.
00:49:00LinusNonly for completeness, don't have it in the manual
00:49:17LinusNit can play 2.5 but not record it
00:50:25*Cassandra nods.
00:50:39CassandraExcellent. I've worked all that info into the text.
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00:54:22CassandraCurse you for making me do another table.
00:55:45*Cassandra determinedly shuts the manual.
00:55:54CassandraIf anyone sees anything else, mail me.
00:56:13LinusNwill do, thanks for all your hard work
00:56:30CassandraYou're welcome.
00:56:41quelsaruktime to go
00:56:49CassandraI intend to put out the begging bowl for funds to get me an iRiver when it's released.
00:57:06quelsaruki asked for goats..
00:57:20quelsarukbut no one bought me any
00:57:50quelsarukyour technopriest assistant
00:57:51CassandraWell, it'd be a fine incentive to get me to write the iRiver manual.
00:58:10CassandraNot that I'm saying I won't anyway. It's just ... writing manuals is dull dull dull.
00:58:12quelsarukgood luck Cassandra
00:58:30quelsarukit's boooooring and hard work :P
00:59:00CassandraI'm fairly proud of the manual though. I think it's rather impressive.
00:59:21quelsaruki haven't seen yet :( i'm a bad guy
00:59:51CassandraIt's almost unrecogniseable from the previous one - I did a major restructure.
01:00:33Cassandra(Most of the actual text from the first one is still in there though - no point in throwing away people's hard work.
01:01:11LinusNi am really impressed by your work
01:02:32CassandraGood. I meant it to be impressive.
01:02:37*Cassandra grins.
01:02:46quelsaruksleep time, i'll check it tomorrow.. anyway... thanks for writing the manual :)
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01:05:11CassandraThe manual has grown in size by 50% since 2.1 - scary.
01:06:09LinusNon the contrary
01:06:26LinusNit's pleasant that the manual has grown
01:15:47CassandraHopefully it's pretty comprehensive by now.
01:26:50TangVery nice manual, it's Cassandra's work, i undestand? Congratulation... :)
01:28:52*Cassandra nods. Thank you.
01:31:59TangNothing it's us to thank you
01:32:19TangI've downloaded it to study Rockbox possibilities
01:32:39TangI'm very impatient to see the iriverport working
01:32:53*Cassandra points to the above. If you want to thank me, donate to the "buy Christi an iRiver" fund when it's released.
01:33:26Tangokay 'ill do indeed iwanted to donate once again to Rockbox)
01:35:09CassandraThanks. That's kind of you.
01:35:52*Cassandra can't justify buying herself an iRiver. My JBFM fulfils all my needs thanks to Rockbox.
01:36:12CassandraWriting the manual is my way of saying thank you.
01:39:03ricIII wonder if the playlist still uses my algorithm ideas
01:39:31CassandraNo idea. It's pretty darn nifty though.
01:39:54CassandraI love it when the best software on the market is GPLed.
01:40:39ricIIRockbox was the reason I bought the JBrec.
01:42:05ricIIyup it's still in use
01:44:22LinusNthe basic playlist algorithm has remained the same since 1.0
01:45:07LinusNif you're referring to the byte offset table stuff
01:45:20ricIIno dynamic insert etc
01:45:48LinusNyou mean the playlist control file?
01:46:12LinusNyup, that's still in use
01:47:01ricIII realy tried to code it myself, but keept you al waiting to long, so I handed over my work. (little time)
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01:48:22LinusNhardeep finished it nicely
01:49:55ricIIyes, and it realy works. I had a lot of discusions here with hardeep.
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01:54:36midkrockbox hasn't compiled for me in the past year (linux)... i recall something about needing a new version of gcc.. can you confirm?
01:54:51midkor, do you know why it quit working?
01:54:53LinusNpast year?
01:55:04midkwell, more recently than that, few months I guess :)
01:55:23LinusNwell, i can't possibly know why it has quit working for you, can i? :-)
01:55:36midkdid you break it? ;)
01:55:41LinusNit works for me
01:55:55midkhave you modified your environment within the past few months>?
01:56:31LinusNi can't remember having to change it because of an incompatibility with gcc
01:56:41LinusNerror message?
01:56:51midki'm just guessing it was a gcc problem
01:56:54midklet me reboot and see
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02:01:28midkcan't find sh-elf-gcc.
02:01:31midkmust be an error on my part
02:02:16LinusNyou need to have it in the path
02:04:27midki think i'll just redo the whole environment
02:05:01midkprobably due to the fact that i didn't re-set it up when i copied files to the new hard drive. at least I don't remember resetting it up. should have thought about it more
02:05:06midkthanks anyways :)
02:06:04midkhold on... sh-elf-gcc is in ~/sh1/bin
02:07:18midkthat's... export PATH=/home/midk/sh1/bin:PATH?
02:07:30midkor.. export PATH=/home/midk/sh1/bin:$PATH ?
02:07:35midkforget how to do this. :)
02:08:11LinusNthe latter
02:08:34midkoh! oh!
02:08:37midkwhich sh-elf-gcc works...
02:09:12midkgreat. thanks a lot
02:09:45LinusNgotta get some sleep
02:09:45midknow i can finally implement my animated cursor >:D
02:09:50midknite linus
02:09:57LinusNnite all
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02:54:17sockertezeanyone home?
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02:56:22sockertezehow did i get here?
02:56:30sockertezethis is about music right?
02:58:56sockertezeso. . .do you own a rio karma by any chance?
03:00:30sockertezehow about an ipod
03:01:12sockertezejust wondering
03:01:23sockertezeim in the market for one
03:01:28sockertezeso what bands are you into?
03:01:52midkkarma is better, btw :)
03:02:00sockertezewhys that
03:02:31midksimply is. better sound/eq, longer battery, more formats, cheaper
03:02:45sockertezeyeah i dunno what im gonig to buy
03:02:55sockertezedo you know where i can download ogg music for free?
03:03:02midkjust making a suggestion
03:04:29sockertezeok goodnight
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03:55:43smb74anyone here replace their batteries with NiMh.
03:58:18midk.. they ARE nimh.
03:59:04smb74I read on the rockbox site they were Li
04:00:25midkoh, fmr?
04:00:31midkor v2? yeah
04:00:38midkbut nimh batteries don't fit it.
04:18:22smb74I have the FM recorder
04:18:32smb74so I have to use Li?
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05:09:25ricIIcan't sleep.
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10:34:12LinusNAciD``: go beat up your brother
10:34:31Bagdercan I do that too?
10:34:40Bagderbeat my brother that is
10:34:46*kurzhaarrocker hides from those swedish brutalos
10:34:54*Zagor hides too
10:37:03BagderLinusN: you remember you have my recorder, right? ;-)
10:37:23LinusNAciD``: explained that his repeated disconnects are because his brother reinstalled their server and it f*cked up their internet connection
10:38:23LinusNBagder: i have your recorder, but lack the time...
10:38:26kurzhaarrockerBagder, you gave LinusN an electronic device? What a mistake! LinusN seems to disembowl anything he can reach.
10:38:47LinusNBagder: but we could always attack it on saturday...
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12:47:54Zagor80GB 1.8" drive announced
12:48:35Zagor"Toshiba [...] said it will ship an 80GB 1.8in hard drive in Q3 2005"
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12:51:45dwihnoHooray for technology!
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14:51:09ashridahanyone remember the dimensions of the hard drive iriver put in the h120/h140?
14:51:27dwihno1.8" something
14:51:40ashridahtoshiba's released an 80G 1.8" drive
14:52:05Bagder"released" no
14:52:08Bagder"announced" yes
14:52:28ashridahhm. point.
14:52:31dwihnoBig difference
14:52:34ashridahgoing to cost a fortune for a while too
14:52:39BagderQ3 2005
14:53:19Zagorit will be 8mm high, the register article said. i wonder how high the current 40gig disks are.
14:54:12Zagorhave you opened yours? :)
14:54:15Bagder"0,315" (8.0 mm)"
14:54:26Bagderuh, 0,315" it is
14:55:00BagderI used a nice thing called the internet! ;-)
14:55:12Zagorooh, you've got to give me a copy of it
14:55:30Bagdersure, once I've completed my download
14:55:33Zagor:) ?
14:55:47Zagorbut it's nice to know there will be an upgrade path for the irivers anyway
14:56:01Zagoreven if it won't be cheap
14:56:09ashridahdepends how long you wait
14:56:26ashridahit'd probably cost me as much as the player itself cost when i bought it :)
14:56:42Zagorbut I already have 80 gig (65 filled) in my archos, so I probably don't want to wait very long...
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14:57:28ashridahi only have about 10G's of music. i've filled most of the rest of my player with junk. my entire software toolkit, which i used to keep on cds, etc. if i could only rely on it as a bootable device too
14:57:29kurzhaarrockerand the archos has only USB V1.1 :)
14:57:33ashridahthat'd have made my day
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15:01:40ashridahhmm. i should retry that with my newest motherboard. it does claim to support booting from a usb hard drive.
15:05:59Zagorkurzhaarrocker: nah, i only use my jbr20
15:22:24Bagdermeeting today
15:22:33*Bagder feels alien
15:22:51Bagderdo I need to get dressed? ;-)
15:23:42Zagora bit, please
15:24:22Lynx_ashridah: would rockbox have a problem with an mbr and an os on the archos?
15:25:01Lynx_so one of those usb-stick linux distros should boot off the archos?
15:25:14Zagoryes, if your motherboard supports it
15:25:22Lynx_and if they work on fat32
15:25:40dwihnoWell, you could have a MBR pointing on the second partition? Or could you?
15:27:15Lynx_if rockbox doesn't mind other partitions with other filesystems...
15:27:46kurzhaarrockerI have an additional parition and it works like a charn.
15:27:54Zagoras long as it can find a fat32 partition it's happy
15:28:46dwihnoZagor: The position of the partition matter?
15:29:05dwihno(insert a "does" wherever you fancy) :)
15:29:23Zagordwihno: only if you are not flashed
15:29:50dwihnoZagor: aah, true, true.
15:30:08Zagorthe archos firmware can only boot from partition 1, but rockbox will try all four partitions and run with the first that mounts successfully
15:30:42dwihnoReally cool.
15:31:15kurzhaarrockerSeems to be another example why the archos firmware is more easy :)
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16:29:42webguest12help. rock box 2.3 not flashing. i still get the archos loader
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18:44:10TangAbout the 40gig new toshibas HD announced
18:44:23Tanganyone know it height?
18:44:28Tang5 or 8mm?
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18:54:07TangSomething that should interest you:
18:57:14TangAn HA memebers released a C port of the MPC library released by pavlovski (initialy written in C++)
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19:26:47Tang(added i wiki section)
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19:43:39TangHi Quelsaruk
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19:58:42Leety-AravilYour know my Problem with my Reorder(HD registe rerroro ;D ;D) I had find out that the Problem isn't an bokren Platine or Headhpone Socket it is difikulder.
19:59:14Leety-AravilThe HD didn't bekamm power. No 5V lies on!
20:03:34Leety-AravilI Think thats an bad Transitor how control the Power of the HD! But kan you say me where teh Transisotr lies? Or do you think thats an other Error?
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20:20:48quelsarukLeety-Aravil: sorry.. i can't help.. maybe... if you want, you can try pluging your hd to a computer via a external case or something like that... and check if it powers on and works perfectly or not...
20:20:54quelsarukmaybe an hd error??
20:22:14Leety-AravilThe HD works with my PC perfekt!
20:22:52quelsaruki have no idea
20:22:57Leety-AravilIf i unplug the HD an start my Recorder an mesure the vollt it show me 0V!
20:23:16quelsarukand all the soldering points are ok?
20:24:09Leety-AravilIDC Drago think thats an Problem with an Transitor how starts the HD
20:24:32quelsarukhe knows better than me
20:24:43Leety-AravilThe Solder Point of the backplate ar absoulutley ok. IDC Drgon has send me an new Plate.
20:25:07Leety-AravilBut he isn't ther now.
20:26:25Leety-AravilI had an "connection diagram" of the Recorder. Dragon think T1 (transisor1) 022g is bad.
20:27:01Leety-AravilBut i dont find it on my Recorder!
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20:29:08Leety-Aravilbut now i Thik ist better to buy an ipod! ;D
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20:35:49Leety-Aravilwell, i had now an new 15GB HD! Archos pellet. Now i must save money and buy me an Ipod!
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21:22:47Leety-AravilAnybody knows witch element of the Recorder regulates the "V" for the HD?
21:31:03sockertezei'd have to say plasma
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23:33:34[IDC]Dragonhi Christi, did you recover from Jens? ;-)
23:33:50Quel|awayhi [IDC]Dragon
23:34:14[IDC]Dragonhi Quels and everybody
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23:36:03Quel|away[IDC]Dragon: if you were going to buy a car radio... what would you buy, so you could try to plug the jukebox to it... if possible with control
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23:36:40[IDC]Dragonthe siple solution would be one with line in
23:36:52CassandraIDC: I don't think he's finished with me yet.
23:37:13*[IDC]Dragon checks the wiki
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23:44:08quelsarukand any suggestion?
23:44:13[IDC]DragonBagder: are you there? Is it feasible to write an "AciD-filter" script for the logs?
23:44:34Bagderit is
23:44:51[IDC]Dragonhis bouncing in and out is like every 2nd line, since weeks :-(
23:45:13quelsarukhe's like a ping-pong ball :D
23:45:20Bagderwe should poke on Zagor for that, he's in charge of the logging stuff
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23:51:35[IDC]Dragonbouncing becomes popular...
23:51:58quelsaruknever ever buy a Ralink chipset in your wi-fi card
23:51:59quelsaruktrust me...
23:52:04quelsarukbuggy drivers...
23:52:28[IDC]Dragonquel: Ihave an older Alpine, as you may know
23:52:45quelsaruki know
23:52:48[IDC]Dragonthere has been work on BMW systems, too
23:53:01quelsaruki'll buy a bmw then
23:53:35[IDC]Dragonand a lucky somebody has a radio where the text display can be controlled
23:53:52[IDC]DragonI don't remember the brand, maybe Panasonic
23:54:12quelsaruki've been searching for radios with line in...but normally they are expensive.. really expensive
23:54:19[IDC]Dragonwe wrote a special Plaer version, fully redirecting screen and buttons
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23:56:36quelsaruki'll search
23:57:01quelsarukso.. if i found something interesting, would you mind asking you for advice??
23:57:43[IDC]DragonI can't prevent you from asking ;-)

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