#rockbox 2004-12-15

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#rockbox log for 2004-12-15

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00:11:34	Quel\|away	time for wc3
00:12:00	[IDC]Dragon	we only have one WC
00:14:39	Quel\|away	:P
00:14:56	Quel\|away	warcraft 3.. i'm a game adict... i know
00:15:24	[IDC]Dragon	just making fun of it
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00:23:40	[IDC]Dragon	bedtime, 'night!
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01:25:18	Cassandra	Anyone still here?
01:28:27	Quel\|away	me
01:28:29	Quel\|away	more or less
01:28:32	Quel\|away	wcafting
01:35:30	Cassandra	I've just discovered an addon for OpenOftice that produces beautiful indexed PDF files of the manual. How cool is that?
01:35:55	Cassandra	(I may be overreacting.)
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02:00:23	Quel\|away	hmmm
02:00:28	Quel\|away	that's cool
02:00:29	Quel\|away	:D
02:09:35	Quel\|away	rebooting
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02:29:24	crave	does anyone know how to fix HD Error on boot?>
02:31:18	_aLEX	http://www.rockbox.org/docs/repairbattery.html perhaps ? don't know
02:33:31	crave	ill try
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02:33:53	quelsaruk	re hi
02:34:33	crave	k
02:34:37	crave	i don't think thats it
02:36:12	crave	i can hear the hard drive clicking :(
02:42:12	quelsaruk	hmm.. i don't know what are you talkinb about.. but listening a hd clicking is a bad thing :/
02:54:09	crave	my archo studio 20
02:58:41	quelsaruk	what happens to the hd?
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03:04:03	crave	ya man its broke
03:04:08	crave	i think i have to get a replacement
03:04:12	crave	allllllllllllllll my music :((
03:04:18	quelsaruk	:/
03:04:25	quelsaruk	didn't you have a copy?
03:04:35	crave	no
03:04:50	crave	i did but i lost it, thats why iwas messing with my archos :P
03:05:14	crave	buy a new hard drive or a new mp3 player??
03:05:28	quelsaruk	archs studio 20...
03:05:29	quelsaruk	hmmm
03:05:36	crave	yea its kinda old
03:05:52	quelsaruk	newer than my recorder 6
03:05:53	quelsaruk	:D
03:07:02	quelsaruk	i don't know about new jukebox... maybe iriver (if porting rockbox is possible).. don't know
03:09:02	crave	there used to be a thing on replacing the hard drive
03:09:05	crave	i can't find it now
03:10:01	quelsaruk	hmm
03:10:02	quelsaruk	yea
03:11:21	quelsaruk	http://www.mctubster.com/hd.html for example
03:11:53	quelsaruk	http://www2.funmp3players.com/reviews/modify/ another one
03:12:41	quelsaruk	is this what you wanted?
03:13:46	crave	so any hard drive for a laptop would work?
03:13:48	crave	ahh
03:13:51	crave	9.5mm 2.5"
03:13:53	crave	perfect
03:13:55	crave	thanks
03:14:48	quelsaruk	:)
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08:37:07	quelsaruk	hi LinusN
08:37:09	quelsaruk	:P
08:37:16	quelsaruk	today i was the first one..
08:37:18	quelsaruk	or the last one...
08:37:45	*	quelsaruk wonders if he should go to sleep now...
08:37:46	quelsaruk	better not
08:37:47	quelsaruk	:P
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09:23:28	Quel\|away	hej zagor
09:25:10	Zagor	hej
09:25:25	Quel\|away	mur da bra?
09:25:32	Zagor	jag m�r bra
09:25:37	Zagor	men det regnar
09:25:53	Quel\|away	ja.. ja...
09:25:54	Quel\|away	:D
09:25:56	Zagor	haha
09:25:57	Quel\|away	jag ar galen
09:25:58	Quel\|away	:D
09:26:52	Quel\|away	next time i'll ask you in another language... so we'll check if you know how to answer
09:26:54	Quel\|away	:P
09:27:08	Zagor	:)
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14:05:04	LinusN	AciD: fix your connection goddammit
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14:49:33	Quel\|away	connection?
14:49:37	Quel\|away	what's that?
14:49:38	Quel\|away	:P
14:49:50	midk	he's joining and leaving :)
14:49:54	Quel\|away	i know
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15:43:58	darkskiez	sigh, the wiki has not been updated in ageeess for the iriver bit.. has development stalled :[
15:44:26	Bagder	we all have busy lives
15:44:56	darkskiez	I know.. i know.
15:45:08	darkskiez	I'm not badgering anyone into doing any work
15:45:25	darkskiez	god, i didnt even notice your nick, that was subliminal.
15:45:37	Bagder	:-)
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15:46:03	Zagor	hehe
15:58:15	darkskiez	has there been any progress in the last month though.. ?
15:58:36	Quel\|away	you should not say that... your sentence was intelligent (before you recogniced you didn't notice his nick) :P
15:59:28	Zagor	darkskiez: we've bought a cople of H140s. that's progress! :-)
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16:01:05	darkskiez	so..you've been listening to music :P
16:01:30	darkskiez	I cant wait till all the little annoying things are gone..
16:01:36	darkskiez	and replaced with all new annoying things.
16:04:46	Zagor	hehe
16:05:38	Zagor	linus is currently something of a bottleneck, since we have decided to not modify any more players than the one he's currently using. and writing/debugging the boot loader requires a modified player.
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16:06:06	Zagor	and as all of us, Linus has had little time to spend on this lately
16:06:54	Zagor	however we're planning a focused session on saturday, which will hopefully bring some news
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16:22:01	darkskiez	yay
16:22:08	darkskiez	cheers for the update.
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16:35:36	darkskiez	seen the slashdot headlin?
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18:44:45	hile	Heh,about the slashdot neuros article: can you get one to Europe these days? I tried to buy one, you just could not get it anywhere -> got iHP-140
18:46:42	hile	btw have you guys already discussed the iriver UI (not looks but functionality)? I mean, how the buttons are used in different use modes
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18:49:39	hile	I would like to help the iriver porting and design, just don't want to do anything before we have safe environment (bootloader + recoverable, 'no soldering', firmware reset)
18:49:40	quelsaruk	re hi
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18:56:42	hile	another question I'm interested about is is there a plan to use the USB port like stock firmware (let USB HD do it and reboot after changes), or to actually have USB available when powered on
18:57:34	hile	latter is harder, but the nice thing with it would be that we could add another driver layer besides usb-storage and control the system playback remotely ;)
18:57:41	amiconn	There is a proposal on how to map the iRiver butons for the main functions in rockbox (menu, file browser, wps): http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ButtonAssignments
18:57:57	hile	I think such usb character device driver would not be hard at all. ...
18:58:11	hile	amiconn: ack, I'll check it
18:58:59	amiconn	(usb) It is not possible to control the iRiver from usb, at least not the H1xx models. The usb bridge is mass storage only, not controllable from the cpu.
18:59:25	amiconn	In fact, it's almost the same bridge as used in the USB2.0-enabled archos recorders
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19:00:27	amiconn	However, I think usb will be handled the same way as on the archos. Rockbox on archos does not reboot after returning from usb mode (unlike the archos firmware)
19:02:44	hile	pity. ... what about key mappings for recording mode, and for radio?
19:06:22	hile	I have never used rockbox, that's why I've got these silly questions ;)
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19:13:07	amiconn	hile: You can find a very comprehensive key mapping list at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/KeymapOndio . However, this one does not yet include the iRiver, it only documents the existing ports
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19:17:12	Cassandra	ami: Got any more corrections for me? This manual is looking dangerously close to release.
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19:26:00	Cassandra	And tonight my net connection will be mostly sucking rocks.
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19:30:08	amiconn	Cassandra: I did not yet continue proofreading... I think I should
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19:37:04	amiconn	Cassandra: p.45, about viewer plugins: This could be complemented by mentioning where viewer plugins are stored (/.rockbox/viewers), like it is for "ordinary" plugins
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19:39:24	amiconn	p.46: Nim is player only
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19:40:43	Cassandra	Arse.
19:40:45	amiconn	re hi
19:40:57	amiconn	How much did you get?
19:42:00	Cassandra	I'll grab it all from the log, never mind.
19:42:05	amiconn	okay.
19:42:08	amiconn	General question: For some plugins the Ondio key mapping is gives, for others it isn't. Is that on purpose, or by accident?
19:42:49	Cassandra	It's because I couldn't be arsed to take them all out.
19:43:24	amiconn	Okay, so I'll ignore that.
19:43:26	Cassandra	I briefly considered putting them all in, but then I really ought to put them in the main document as well if I do, and that's a job for the next release.
19:43:51	Cassandra	The next release will have platform specific manuals.,
19:44:21	amiconn	p.48, Sliding puzzle headline: closing parenthesis missing
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19:45:33	Cassandra	Got that. I've picked up most of the formatting errors by now, but there's probably one or two I've missed.
19:46:37	Cassandra	(it's impossible to accurately proof read your own work, I think.)
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19:47:59	amiconn	I have to agree
19:48:42	quelsaruk	you use to find out errors once you cannot correct them :)
19:50:59	amiconn	p.53, Bounce: On the Ondio, there is no analog clock in the background. It wouldn't make sense, since there is no RTC
19:51:44	amiconn	This is one of the very few plugins where the functionality differs significantly between recorder and Ondio version
19:53:41	amiconn	p.54, (still) bounce: The last 2 parameters are called Xsanke and Ysanke (and I just found another parameter typo - "ydistt". Grr!)
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19:56:14	Cassandra	Grrrr
19:56:21	amiconn	p.54, Greyscale: The plugin is named "grayscale". I never get those english/american differences right, but that's how I named it...
19:57:10	Cassandra	Yeah. I'm still bitter about "favorites".
19:58:25	amiconn	Usually I prefer the british english variant, but sometimes the american variant does "look" better (to a non-native speaker)...
19:58:46	*	Cassandra nods.
19:59:00	Cassandra	Of course the British version always looks better to me.
19:59:07	amiconn	Same goes for "z" versus "s"
19:59:34	Cassandra	Just don't name any plugins "Aluminum" and we can stay friends.
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20:00:04	amiconn	That'd be wrong in all languages... even in german
20:01:59	amiconn	p.54 (still) grayscale: "...which does support graphics" is a bit vague. It supports grayscale/greyscale graphics.
20:03:43	amiconn	p.55, Mosaic: There are more functions than just "Off" to quit. And it's "Off", not "Stop"
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20:05:18	amiconn	p.57, Chip-8: Slash instead of comma in the model list
20:06:31	amiconn	p.57, JPEG viewer: dito
20:09:26	quelsaruk	hmmm.. may i add one? p.80 8.2 Merhod −−-> should be 8.2 Method
20:10:05	quelsaruk	(just saw it in a quick look to the manual)
20:10:18	Cassandra	Thanks, got all those. :)
20:11:50	amiconn	p.60, Calculator: Two commas in the model list. Btw: Is it possible with OpenOffice to avoid headlines at the very bottom of the page. That does look strange
20:12:24	amiconn	p.61, Calendar: This is recorder only
20:15:33	amiconn	p.63, Euro convertor: Is it really spelled "convertor" in british english? I thought it's called "converter"...
20:16:54	Cassandra	ami - yes it is possible to stop, just bloody hard. I finally nailed it a couple of days ago.
20:17:25	Cassandra	OO really fights you on it.
20:17:36	Cassandra	converter - you're right. My spell checker agreed with you.
20:18:46	amiconn	p.64, Split editor: (1) First, you mention that it takes 2 steps. Afterwards 3 steps are listed. (2) There is a stray "A paragraph of text" at the end of step 3
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20:23:00	amiconn	p.67/68, Stop watch: The key mapping table is split across the page break. Is this avoidable?
20:23:59	Cassandra	Yes. OO keeps ignoring me when I tell it I don't want tables split.
20:25:59	amiconn	p.70, Loading languages: (1) ".lang" is split across a line break, with only the dot in the first line. (2) "..must be a maximum of 24 characters long" has an extraneous period after "of"
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20:27:12	amiconn	p.70, WPs description/ info: "to customize" with z (!)
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20:31:59	Cassandra	(1) OO won't fix - I'm just having to rephrase when I come across.
20:34:12	amiconn	p.75, scroll speed: Allowed range is 0 to 15
20:35:16	amiconn	p.76, auto volume: There is an additional value "20ms"
20:38:47	amiconn	p.77, rec timesplit: All values must be written with 2 digits for the hours, i.e. "00:05", "00:10" etc. There are additional values, 01:14 and 01:20
20:40:43	amiconn	p.76: use most-recent-bookmarks: "use" misses the "e"
20:41:02	Cassandra	In my copy, tyhey are two digits. Maybe I fixed that when I added those two.
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20:44:57	Cassandra	If people are curious about the kind of hell I go through with OpenOffice - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DraftManual
20:49:40	Cassandra	ami - are going to be around for a bit. Someone else needs the net here.
20:49:58	amiconn	p.81, flashing risks: "Since the rockbox boot code..." - the "t" from "boot" is missing
20:52:24	amiconn	p.82, Flashing procedure introduction: The comment "(with the voice feature)" can be taken out. This was valid for the 2.2 release, which didn't have the voice ui, so a current daily was needed.
20:52:52	Cassandra	Yep - did both of those.
20:53:47	Cassandra	Back in 1/2 hr - ami - if I'm not back when you're ready to go, mail me the rest, please.
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22:14:01	Digital007	Hiya
22:14:05	quelsaruk	hi
22:14:11	Digital007	Just a quick question, how is iRiver rockbox progressig?
22:15:46	Digital007	can't find any info on MisticRiver
22:15:51	quelsaruk	hmmm
22:16:04	quelsaruk	maybe Bagder or LinusN can help you
22:16:09	quelsaruk	or read de wiki page
22:16:57	Digital007	i just hope eventually Rockbox will appear on iRiver
22:17:01	Digital007	would be awseome if it did
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22:22:50	Bagder	the progress is mentioned on the rockbox site
22:23:18	Bagder	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort#Write_low_level_code_and_drivers
22:23:22	Digital007	yea Bagder, i was just looking for some up-to-date info
22:23:23	Digital007	cheers
22:23:44	Digital007	hmm see some action
22:23:45	Digital007	:)
22:25:32	Digital007	still wondering how u would get back to iriver firmware from rockbox
22:25:50	Bagder	by rebooting
22:25:57	Digital007	ok
22:26:10	Digital007	What about codec support, since the iRiver is software-driven in that regard
22:26:15	Digital007	like MP3, WAV and all that
22:26:24	Bagder	we need to have code for all codecs
22:26:35	Bagder	see the section further down on that wiki page
22:26:38	Digital007	yea
22:26:46	Digital007	I think MP3 and WAV would be okay for the time being
22:26:49	Digital007	don't use WMA or OGG
22:27:09	Bagder	I doubt we'll ever support wma
22:27:30	Digital007	what about WAV and OGG?
22:27:48	Bagder	sure
22:28:37	Digital007	cool
22:28:46	Digital007	I saw some info about Monkeys Audio, AAC and FLAC
22:29:00	Bagder	yes, we gather all info there
22:29:11	Digital007	cool
22:29:24	Digital007	And finally, what about the remote, would it have its own WPS?
22:29:55	Bagder	probably
22:30:00	Digital007	yea
22:30:07	Bagder	and we should add multiple-font support
22:30:13	Digital007	Hey, did u see the new Sony player? It has MP3 native support
22:30:17	Bagder	in the WPSes
22:30:19	Digital007	no need to convert to ATRAC3
22:30:20	Digital007	:)
22:30:30	Bagder	I don't care about sony players ;-)
22:30:48	Bagder	but yes, I noticed
22:30:59	Digital007	well i think Sony did decide to abandon ship :-)
22:31:38	Digital007	I would be happy with just basic bass and treble adjustment, not overly worried about SRS
22:33:21	Digital007	U know the iRiver has a dedicated line out, but unfortunatly the volume control changes it when its supposed to be fixed
22:33:25	Digital007	hope Rockbox fixes that
22:33:27	Digital007	:)
22:33:48	Bagder	we don't fix problems in their firmware
22:34:37	Digital007	i mean, its prob just a software issue
22:34:48	Bagder	most likely yes
22:34:57	Digital007	yea
22:35:17	Digital007	still miss my old Archos
22:38:26	Digital007	its in bits
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