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00:00:54 | jyp | something triggered when the stock firmware runs, loads code form disk... |
00:01:27 | Zagor | jyp: yeah, we're doing that for the iriver too |
00:01:27 | jyp | Maybe you guys can point me to similar work you've done ? |
00:01:38 | LinusN | jyp: i'm doing it as we speak |
00:01:56 | jyp | You took another approach for the original rockbox ? |
00:02:14 | LinusN | we are porting it to iriver |
00:02:42 | Zagor | the archos loaded code by itself, so we didn't need a flashed loader there |
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00:05:01 | amiconn | Zagor/ LinusN: Any plans to put a flashable chip in one of your oldplayers? |
00:05:19 | LinusN | unfortunately not |
00:05:27 | Zagor | I can send you mine :) |
00:05:41 | LinusN | Zagor: you don't have an oldplayer |
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00:06:05 | amiconn | Huh? Wasn't Zagor's player v. 4.13? |
00:06:21 | Zagor | yes itis |
00:06:26 | LinusN | oh |
00:06:40 | amiconn | That's still an oldplayer (but not a veryoldplayer without HD power control) |
00:07:44 | amiconn | I don't have the appropriate equipment to easily swap TSOP chips :( That's something [IDC]Dragon can do much better. |
00:08:33 | amiconn | On the other hand, I was more succesful with doing the UART boot mod for players |
00:12:15 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox160bw.png |
00:12:42 | LinusN | looks ok |
00:13:09 | Zagor | now 2-bit grayscale... |
00:13:11 | Bagder | hm, 161 |
00:13:38 | Bagder | grayscale will really improve the look of it |
00:13:43 | quelsaruk | hmm i wonder why stupid iE doesnt' understand png as image format... windoze is amazing |
00:14:14 | Zagor | quelsaruk: because it hasn't been updated in years. they already own the market, so no need to improve. |
00:14:54 | quelsaruk | Zagor: i used some png's pictures i made 3 years ago with gimp and worked on that arcaic ie.... now it doesn't work |
00:15:23 | Bagder | ok, now its 160 |
00:15:53 | Bagder | this has some extra details from the original logo that the archos one doesn't |
00:16:18 | amiconn | quelsaruk: Works for me. Just checked with IE, it's not my default browsers |
00:16:20 | amiconn | -s |
00:16:38 | quelsaruk | :/ |
00:17:04 | quelsaruk | it works for me on firefox, but ie tries to download the file because it doesn't recognize it... |
00:17:46 | amiconn | I just pasted the URL into IE's address line, and it displays fine. Btw: IE6 SP1 on WinXP SP2 here |
00:17:53 | quelsaruk | as me |
00:18:03 | quelsaruk | mistery... |
00:18:41 | amiconn | I also use Firefox by default now (just switched from plain Mozilla) |
00:19:01 | quelsaruk | i like firefox |
00:19:03 | quelsaruk | :) |
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00:35:56 | Bagder | night |
00:36:00 | quelsaruk | night |
00:36:51 | LinusN | yiehaa! now the code runs flawless from flash |
00:37:01 | Bagder | kewl |
00:37:12 | Zagor | wohoo! |
00:37:17 | quelsaruk | enhorabuena LinusN :) |
00:37:35 | Bagder | but I think my 160 pixels logo is slightly cooler |
00:37:38 | * | Bagder ducks |
00:38:00 | Bagder | sorry, I was off to bed |
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01:19:11 | quelsaruk | night all! |
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02:13:03 | bagawk | Hey LinusN and Bagder :) |
02:13:23 | LinusN | yo |
02:14:50 | bagawk | LinusN: The iriver ihp1xx seems like a neat toy :) |
02:15:50 | bagawk | It should bring a large user base to rockbox |
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02:18:20 | LinusN | yup |
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02:22:07 | bagawk | LinusN: I htink Jeff at Mysticriver should be added to the credits |
02:22:16 | bagawk | *think |
02:22:26 | LinusN | in the firmware? |
02:23:21 | bagawk | yes |
02:24:18 | LinusN | well, those credits are until this date only for people who have contributed code, iirc |
02:25:01 | bagawk | THe guy that donated a FM recorder was added to the credits |
02:26:47 | LinusN | true |
02:27:09 | LinusN | and jeff should have credits for donating rockbox.org? |
02:28:31 | bagawk | I think so, it was a nice thing |
02:29:08 | LinusN | yeah, maybe so |
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02:39:01 | LinusN | nite all |
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05:54:17 | Darkintent | is anyone awake in here? |
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06:05:17 | dwihno | well of course! |
06:06:17 | JJ-Demon | anyone in here have a gmini 400? (i own one) |
06:07:32 | dwihno | don't know of any who has one |
06:08:16 | JJ-Demon | hmmm... i want to try and find out more abotu it and see if we could write something for it... but i cant find anyone who has any coding experiance that owns one |
06:09:04 | dwihno | I think there is some kind of project |
06:09:26 | dwihno | http://www.donat.org/archos/ |
06:09:28 | dwihno | there you go |
06:10:55 | Darkintent | um is there going to be a rockbox for the h300 series players? |
06:11:14 | JJ-Demon | yes i have talked to the guys there, they have no plans for developing for the 400 as they don't own one. so im here looking if i can find anyone more experianced than be with one ^^, |
06:11:40 | JJ-Demon | me* |
06:11:49 | dwihno | The first port is the H1xx series. afaik, there are some similarities between the h300 series as well, so it might be a port |
06:12:22 | Darkintent | I know there is chatter about it but is it an actual goal of the Rockbox developers to port to both player series? |
06:12:25 | Darkintent | oppss |
06:12:31 | Darkintent | you answered me already |
06:12:33 | Darkintent | :) |
06:13:12 | Darkintent | I really look forward to seeing a rockbox for the 300 series just looking at what you guys did with the Archos makes me drool at the possibilities |
06:13:36 | dwihno | You got a H300? |
06:13:41 | Darkintent | yes I do |
06:13:48 | Darkintent | well monday I will |
06:14:06 | Darkintent | I hope its in state right now so I am hoping I get it today |
06:14:09 | Darkintent | :) |
06:14:48 | Darkintent | im no good with tinkering so I would surely destroy my player if I dared to try and take it apart |
06:15:31 | Darkintent | I wonder if Iriver will ever decide to open source the firmware code |
06:15:46 | dwihno | dunno |
06:15:47 | JJ-Demon | dont get a h300 :D get a Gmini 400 instead. i jsut bought a 400 over the H300 a few weeks ago |
06:16:15 | Darkintent | I know they are supposedly working with third party developers to bring firware updates |
06:16:35 | dwihno | It's just a matter of time before the H100-series will have a port. I just hope it won't be too soon; otherwise, I'd have to adjust my tight budget and buy one ;) |
06:17:34 | Darkintent | lol |
06:17:54 | Darkintent | well I love the fact that there is a really great modding community around |
06:18:01 | Darkintent | unlike with the Ipods |
06:18:32 | JJ-Demon | http://archos.com/products/overview/gmini_400.html dont even have to mod it :P |
06:18:59 | Darkintent | with rockbox around and hopefully coming to the 300 series soon I think I will get a long life out of my player |
06:20:14 | Darkintent | thats kinda weak compared to an h340 |
06:20:19 | Darkintent | just on hdd alone |
06:20:30 | Darkintent | besides my Ipod is already 15gb |
06:20:43 | Darkintent | :) |
06:20:59 | JJ-Demon | ... you can watch videos on it, it has a built in CF slot so u dont have to worry abotu compatibility with usb host |
06:21:01 | Darkintent | had this been around before I bought my 3g Ipod I would have got it |
06:21:03 | JJ-Demon | liek the H300 |
06:21:13 | Darkintent | I dont want to watch video on it though |
06:21:19 | Darkintent | I have a laptop |
06:21:20 | JJ-Demon | you can plug it into tv |
06:21:26 | Darkintent | laptop |
06:21:40 | JJ-Demon | and it looks way better then a H300. |
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06:21:52 | JJ-Demon | why are you getting the H300 then? |
06:21:56 | Darkintent | and I can watch any manner of video on that and at higher resolution than my tv |
06:21:59 | Darkintent | to play music |
06:22:05 | Darkintent | it does that too you know |
06:22:08 | Darkintent | .... |
06:22:22 | JJ-Demon | gmini 400 does that better :D |
06:22:32 | JJ-Demon | you can actually shuffle playlists randomly |
06:22:40 | JJ-Demon | and not get the same list every time u shuffle |
06:22:43 | JJ-Demon | like on H300 |
06:22:47 | JJ-Demon | have u actually used one? |
06:22:51 | JJ-Demon | ive compared them both |
06:23:04 | Darkintent | I never use shuffle |
06:23:06 | Darkintent | ever |
06:23:15 | Darkintent | not on my computer and not on my Ipod |
06:23:28 | Darkintent | and the gmini only plays mp3's |
06:23:34 | JJ-Demon | well its still easier to browse music using ARC |
06:23:45 | Darkintent | the video codecs are indeed impressive |
06:23:55 | JJ-Demon | no WAV also and WMA |
06:24:09 | dwihno | JJ-Demon: apart from the video feature, you're only mentioning firmware shortcomings :) |
06:24:35 | Darkintent | well ive never used arc I use anapod and I use anapod explorer to manage my Ipod its quite excellent |
06:24:46 | Darkintent | I wont say arc is bad though |
06:25:11 | JJ-Demon | so? iRiver have allready shown thier lack fo firmware support |
06:25:32 | Darkintent | I would like to see an h300 doing flac then I could shut up the irrational Ipod supporters for good |
06:25:47 | Darkintent | well those that obsess over lossless like some |
06:25:49 | JJ-Demon | archos has released 4 updates to my Gmini int he time it took to get oen for the H300 |
06:26:22 | Darkintent | Dude you realize you are in a channel that deals with modded/ rewritten firmware |
06:26:40 | Darkintent | meant to improve a product like the H100 and 300 series respectively |
06:26:45 | JJ-Demon | yes ^^ im just trying to giv eu the advise i got |
06:26:50 | JJ-Demon | i was going to buy a H300 also |
06:27:00 | dwihno | :) |
06:27:15 | Darkintent | And your advice is bad if you want to play music |
06:27:24 | JJ-Demon | why is that? |
06:27:29 | Darkintent | and dont want only 20gb's |
06:27:35 | JJ-Demon | Gmini plays music fine. |
06:27:43 | JJ-Demon | you have more then 20GB music? |
06:27:48 | Darkintent | number 1 it only supports mp3 what if I want to use ogg |
06:27:59 | Darkintent | ive come very close to filling my Ipod with 15 |
06:28:14 | Darkintent | and I have yet to rip my brothers cd collection |
06:28:21 | Darkintent | all of it anyway |
06:28:54 | JJ-Demon | oh well if you have more then 20gb music i see. different players fit different people. |
06:29:05 | Darkintent | 2. I want to use OGG not wma or WAV |
06:29:12 | JJ-Demon | i have only 4 gb of MP3 music though. but i have alot of episodes of TV shows |
06:29:13 | Darkintent | although it is good to have WAV |
06:29:15 | JJ-Demon | and i travel alot |
06:29:21 | JJ-Demon | so gmini is great for me |
06:29:36 | JJ-Demon | also i forgot to add the games. but doesnt really matter |
06:29:45 | JJ-Demon | and built in CF slot :P |
06:30:06 | Darkintent | I wonder if the gmini can handle ogm files with alittle cjolling |
06:30:12 | Darkintent | *cajolling |
06:30:33 | Darkintent | it could probably handle some of the divx/xvid files I have lying around |
06:30:42 | JJ-Demon | archos has stated ogg support is on the way in future firmware |
06:31:03 | Darkintent | well if you get it from them all I can say is great |
06:31:18 | Darkintent | its good to see a company treat their customers well |
06:31:43 | Darkintent | and while Iriver may not have the same record we can look to Rockbox to handle most of it |
06:31:48 | JJ-Demon | yea |
06:32:12 | Darkintent | and if Iriver is really working with 3rd party developers to do firmware we are all going to be in a good position |
06:32:27 | Darkintent | lets look at it this way both are better than an Ipod |
06:32:28 | Darkintent | :) |
06:32:38 | JJ-Demon | im in here cause im looking for other gmini owners. want to explore some extra features we could add. or port a embedded linux over to it. |
06:32:45 | JJ-Demon | yea definatly |
06:32:53 | JJ-Demon | don't get an ipod |
06:33:03 | Darkintent | I learned that the hard way |
06:33:15 | Darkintent | but at the time it was the best player out |
06:33:20 | Darkintent | the 3g I mean |
06:33:24 | Darkintent | not the new one |
06:33:34 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
06:33:34 | * | dwihno hugs his recorder-20 |
06:33:42 | Darkintent | that one sucked I held it in my hand and I was like wtf |
06:33:44 | dwihno | I don't need no new stinkin' technology ;) |
06:33:50 | Darkintent | they killed the interface |
06:34:04 | Darkintent | with the clickwheel on normal ipods\ |
06:34:32 | Darkintent | and the Ipod photo is a joke compared to the cost of either of the H30o series |
06:34:55 | Darkintent | its a shame there isnt a 60gb model of the H300 series |
06:35:33 | Darkintent | that is the one hardware edge I give the Ipod photo |
06:36:23 | dwihno | Darkintent: well, I guess the 1.8" disks are expensive :) |
06:36:37 | dwihno | the price of technology \o/ |
06:36:39 | Darkintent | yea but not enough to justify 600usd |
06:36:46 | Darkintent | thats crazy |
06:37:07 | Darkintent | never shop at the apple store or even the Iriver store |
06:37:10 | Darkintent | hehehe |
06:37:11 | dwihno | 600USD?! |
06:37:18 | dwihno | no way! |
06:37:22 | Darkintent | for a 60gb Ipod photo |
06:37:26 | dwihno | wtf |
06:37:31 | Darkintent | thats what it is on the apple site |
06:37:43 | Darkintent | and I got my h340 for 378usd |
06:37:44 | dwihno | you better get the deal of your life for your soul then :) |
06:38:20 | Darkintent | and it supports photos and even video although you have to break drm and the clock with the US version |
06:38:56 | dwihno | I got video on my rec20 ;) |
06:40:01 | Darkintent | the regular 40gb Ipod on the apple site is basically 400 usd |
06:40:13 | Darkintent | and it doesnt come with a carrying case |
06:40:21 | Darkintent | it does come with a dock though |
06:40:51 | Darkintent | but I can get a dock for about 30 or 35 usd from Iriver |
06:41:15 | Darkintent | although im going to wait to see if other places start selling the dock to check the price |
06:41:25 | Darkintent | before I make a decision |
06:42:40 | Darkintent | On Ebuyer.com a regular Ipod 40gb sells for 375 usd while the H340 is 378.41usd ....that made it so easy to decide |
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06:58:10 | Darkintent | night all |
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09:51:31 | LinusN | the original iriver EQ has a list of presets, i think 5 in the H1xx firmware |
09:51:49 | LinusN | u know, "Rock", "Classical", "Flat" etc |
09:52:04 | LinusN | the new H10 has *30* presets!!! |
09:52:08 | LinusN | http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?t=7768 |
09:52:11 | Bagder | gosh |
09:52:15 | LinusN | how silly is that???? |
09:52:29 | LinusN | "Hard rock" "Hip hop"... |
09:52:33 | LinusN | "Rap" |
09:52:38 | Bagder | hahaha |
09:52:56 | Bagder | speaking of silly... |
09:53:07 | Bagder | bmp2rb refuses to convert anything wider than 112 pixels ;-) |
09:53:11 | LinusN | "Reggae" :-) |
09:53:20 | LinusN | Bagder: haha |
09:53:39 | amiconn | I never understand what this kind of presets might be good for. I prefer a fully adjustable EQ anytime |
09:53:46 | LinusN | Bagder: i ran rockbox from flash in my iriver last night |
09:54:17 | Bagder | did it rock your box? |
09:54:24 | LinusN | totally silent :-) |
09:55:09 | LinusN | it takes 25 minutes to reprogram the entire flash via BDM! :-) |
09:55:20 | Bagder | hehe |
09:55:34 | LinusN | but the flash specs are incredible |
09:55:38 | Bagder | gives you time to really think if you made any bugs or not |
09:55:54 | LinusN | 14us typical word program time |
09:56:11 | LinusN | 16ms sector erase |
09:56:18 | LinusN | 70ms chip erase!!! |
09:56:34 | LinusN | it's damn fast |
09:57:03 | LinusN | but that doesn't help when you bitbang a serial bdm connection... |
09:59:03 | midk | H10 has 30? what's that? |
09:59:10 | midk | H110 is the old one? |
09:59:38 | Bagder | H10 is the new ipod mini clone |
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10:00:46 | midk | looks pretty nice |
10:04:58 | amiconn | iRiver is another example of a company that is even unable to do proper webdesign: www.iriver.de gives a completely blank page, www.iriver.com gives a framed page with 2 lines and no other content. |
10:05:01 | LinusN | touch-dial, yuck! |
10:05:16 | amiconn | (with Firefox 1.0 that is) |
10:05:21 | LinusN | iriver.com is a total flash-orgy |
10:05:33 | Bagder | yeah |
10:05:39 | Bagder | I got a single little box |
10:05:43 | LinusN | so lame |
10:05:44 | Bagder | since I don't have flash installed |
10:05:57 | * | amiconn doesn't see any flash, and not even a box |
10:07:27 | LinusN | trust me, you're not missing out on anything :-) |
10:09:07 | LinusN | that site is just as useful with or without the flash plugin |
10:10:17 | amiconn | Hmm. I wanted to have a look at their various products, and can't do so |
10:10:55 | amiconn | (unless I use Internet Exploder) |
10:11:42 | LinusN | or install flash |
10:21:15 | Bagder | here you go |
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10:27:02 | amiconn | The iRiver site is annoying |
10:28:12 | LinusN | annoying, frustrating, silly...you name it |
10:28:35 | LinusN | it's a monument of flash stupidity |
10:29:20 | LinusN | those web designers should be hunted down and eliminated |
10:29:33 | LinusN | along with those who hired them |
10:34:48 | amiconn | I believe there are far more bad web designers out there than good ones |
10:35:50 | LinusN | yup, we have a lot of work to do |
10:35:52 | LinusN | :-) |
10:36:28 | LinusN | "go out and assimilate!" (Skinny Puppy) |
10:36:53 | amiconn | The worst example I know so far is the site of the Jewish Museum here in Berlin. This one does work *only* in IE and oldsih Netscape 4.x. *All* other browsers I tried give a 404 error. Really strange! |
10:40:09 | Bagder | incompetence is global |
10:40:41 | amiconn | That's still not everything that is wrong with this site |
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10:48:35 | midk | whoo! |
10:48:52 | midk | i successfully stole the scrollbar function from rockbox and made it work with linav.. oyeah! |
10:49:34 | LinusN | a small step for you, but as giant leap for mankind... |
10:49:46 | LinusN | (or was it the opposite?) |
10:49:49 | Bagder | " It seems the PCI APIs have changed between 2.6.9 and 2.6.10-rc2, breaking madwifi." |
10:49:57 | Bagder | fyi |
10:50:11 | LinusN | there's a patch in the mailing list |
10:50:18 | Bagder | yeah, I noticed |
10:50:29 | Bagder | its funny how the APIs never settle |
10:50:39 | * | LinusN subscribes to far too many lists... :-) |
10:51:01 | Bagder | I bet I win in the mail compo anyway :-) |
10:51:18 | midk | shh, you... uh... party pooper ;) |
10:52:15 | * | Bagder has received 14158 mails so far this month |
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10:59:16 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: the flash in our Archos'es is als erased in 70 ms, that's not unusual |
10:59:27 | [IDC]Dragon | s/als/slso |
10:59:39 | [IDC]Dragon | s/als/also (grr) |
10:59:42 | LinusN | i see, i've only worked with slower flash chips so far |
10:59:58 | [IDC]Dragon | bulk erase |
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11:00:19 | [IDC]Dragon | way faster than UV erase ;-) |
11:00:23 | LinusN | haha |
11:00:34 | LinusN | those were the days |
11:00:55 | [IDC]Dragon | in the early days, I had no UV lamp |
11:01:13 | [IDC]Dragon | and let the chip rest on my window sill all summer |
11:01:32 | [IDC]Dragon | (which worked) |
11:02:14 | Zagor | hehe |
11:02:49 | [IDC]Dragon | horrible turnaround times, don't wine about BDM flashing |
11:04:14 | [IDC]Dragon | but you could download a small program which does the flashing, right? |
11:04:22 | [IDC]Dragon | (plus the content) |
11:04:35 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I guess flashing the Archos via minimon will take a similar amount of time |
11:04:42 | LinusN | i built an erasing unit with an UV lamp and a GlenFiddich box |
11:05:01 | amiconn | (I never tried it myself, just loading an image via minimon was slow enough for me) |
11:05:22 | [IDC]Dragon | flashing takes the same time |
11:05:41 | [IDC]Dragon | the serial is the limiting factor |
11:06:14 | [IDC]Dragon | on recorders, it's quite acceptable with 115200 baud |
11:06:22 | amiconn | ..per amount of data, yes. Loading an image is therefore still faster than flashing the whole 256K |
11:07:34 | [IDC]Dragon | different topic: I'd like to pick up the MMC in filesystem topic for the Ondio |
11:08:03 | [IDC]Dragon | now that I used it with MMC, the mutual thing is annoying |
11:08:21 | LinusN | and it's 2 megabytes on the iriver... |
11:08:38 | amiconn | LinusN: Isn't the BDM connected via parallel? |
11:08:55 | LinusN | the wiggler, yes, but the bdm interface itself is serial |
11:09:12 | [IDC]Dragon | syncronous, I guess? |
11:09:14 | LinusN | so we bitbang the serial bdm with the parallel port |
11:09:17 | amiconn | Isn't it possible to clock this faster? |
11:09:32 | LinusN | yes, if we increase the cpu frequency |
11:09:47 | LinusN | but i keep it in the default, safe mode for now |
11:09:52 | LinusN | 12MHz |
11:09:53 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I also planned to tackle this in the not too far future, but did not yet start. Although not too difficult, this means a lot of work |
11:10:09 | [IDC]Dragon | any non-obvious problems? |
11:10:35 | amiconn | (#ifdef'ing most of the fat and ata/mmc driver api |
11:10:37 | amiconn | ) |
11:10:48 | [IDC]Dragon | why a lot of work? |
11:11:18 | amiconn | Then deciding how to handle special cases |
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11:11:29 | amiconn | config sector always of drive #0 is obvious |
11:12:01 | amiconn | Having the MMC content under /MMC prevents PC-prepared playlists from working without modification... |
11:12:20 | LinusN | amiconn: why? |
11:12:38 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe if a full path is in there |
11:13:07 | LinusN | but full paths generated from pc:s are not correct anyway |
11:13:31 | LinusN | rockbox strips the leading path until it finds a match |
11:13:32 | [IDC]Dragon | we skip the drive letter |
11:13:45 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, even better |
11:14:08 | [IDC]Dragon | but how do we work the /MMC in front of it? |
11:14:22 | LinusN | in file.c, i guess |
11:14:23 | [IDC]Dragon | and only in case the playlist comes from /MMC |
11:14:52 | [IDC]Dragon | no, I mean for the playlist item search |
11:14:59 | LinusN | ah |
11:15:02 | [IDC]Dragon | not for file opening in general |
11:15:11 | LinusN | i'd say that's a secondary problem |
11:15:42 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, first thingit to make the file system "device aware" |
11:15:53 | [IDC]Dragon | ...thing is |
11:16:09 | LinusN | yes, handling silly playlist generators has never been rockbox' problem |
11:16:28 | LinusN | well, it has, but it shouldn't be rockbox problem |
11:16:56 | [IDC]Dragon | is there an illegal char in FAT32 directory names we can use to prepend? |
11:17:08 | LinusN | ??? |
11:17:17 | [IDC]Dragon | like #MMC |
11:17:30 | Zagor | sure, lots of them. ":" for instance |
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11:17:34 | [IDC]Dragon | to avoid collisions if a directorywas named MMC |
11:17:45 | Bagder | ? too I believe |
11:17:50 | LinusN | * |
11:17:58 | [IDC]Dragon | :MMC looks file |
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11:18:13 | Bagder | or perhaps MMC: |
11:18:16 | quelsaruk | morning |
11:18:21 | Bagder | looks more DOS/windows |
11:18:28 | [IDC]Dragon | even better |
11:18:30 | LinusN | Bagder: slightly amiga:ish :-) |
11:18:35 | Bagder | very amigaish |
11:19:00 | [IDC]Dragon | but slower to compare |
11:19:13 | Bagder | hehe |
11:19:18 | Bagder | I bet you'll never notice that |
11:19:43 | [IDC]Dragon | well, from the code you wouls |
11:19:47 | amiconn | I'd simply use /MMC, hiding an equally named directory |
11:19:48 | [IDC]Dragon | would |
11:20:09 | Bagder | yeah, /MMC feels more "right" in my view as well |
11:20:16 | * | Bagder runs away |
11:20:24 | [IDC]Dragon | but sort it always first |
11:20:40 | [IDC]Dragon | by giving it a special directory attribute |
11:21:15 | [IDC]Dragon | inthe tree browser, I mean |
11:21:33 | LinusN | why |
11:21:34 | LinusN | ? |
11:21:40 | LinusN | why sort first? |
11:21:41 | amiconn | why? |
11:21:55 | [IDC]Dragon | do you want to search for it somewhere in the middle? |
11:22:16 | LinusN | why not treat it as a normal directory? |
11:22:36 | amiconn | If I look for "M" I expect this where the other entries with "M" are, nowhere else |
11:22:52 | [IDC]Dragon | I'd say that hides the volume too much |
11:23:04 | LinusN | too much? |
11:23:06 | [IDC]Dragon | another reason for prefixing... |
11:23:23 | LinusN | [MMC] |
11:23:26 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe you linux guys are used to it |
11:23:31 | LinusN | yes we are |
11:23:33 | Zagor | call it #MMC then, legal name that sorts earlier than all others |
11:23:42 | LinusN | or "[MMC]" |
11:23:49 | Zagor | [ is after Z |
11:23:52 | LinusN | ah |
11:23:55 | LinusN | silly me |
11:23:55 | amiconn | [MMC]Dragon ;-) |
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11:23:59 | [IDC]Dragon | in any case, I make a #define for it ;-) |
11:24:20 | [IDC]Dragon | so we can keep argueing |
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11:38:11 | amiconn | The very first legal name would be !MMC |
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13:53:19 | ripnetuk | LinusN - congrats on your progress with flashing iRiver over weekend (just read the logs) |
13:53:39 | ripnetuk | are you still planning on a boot-loader co-existing with the normal iriver rom? |
13:53:47 | ripnetuk | or are we going straight for rockbox in flash? |
13:54:02 | Zagor | loader first |
13:54:28 | Zagor | it makes us much less vulnerable in case we install a dodgy build |
13:54:30 | Bagder | load load load |
13:55:08 | LinusN | amen |
13:57:12 | ripnetuk | cool thats what i was hoping you would say... i wanna have a go at running my own code on iRiver, but wouldnt dare flash my code :) |
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14:03:46 | ripnetuk | so, the $1000000 question, how close are we to having a boot loader??? i assume a little closer after this weekend? |
14:04:01 | Bagder | about this close: −−> <−−-> |
14:04:09 | Bagder | −−> <−−- |
14:04:48 | ripnetuk | Ive just made it closer by reducing the font size on my irc client :) |
14:04:55 | Bagder | haha |
14:09:32 | LinusN | if i didn't have to sleep, i'd say that i could have the boot loader ready tonight |
14:09:59 | Bagder | LinusN: can't you sleep at work instead? ;-) |
14:10:13 | LinusN | good idea |
14:10:36 | ripnetuk | How about a LinusN caffeine fund ;) |
14:10:46 | ripnetuk | i will contibute 200g |
14:10:59 | ripnetuk | only kidding - i really appriciate what you are doing |
14:11:30 | dwihno | :) |
14:11:37 | dwihno | yeah, you rock! |
14:14:02 | quelsaruk | LinusN: who need to sleep or work? |
14:17:26 | ripnetuk | so i assume we will see a patch file which takes a given stock foirmware file and mods it to make the reset vector point after the iRiver code |
14:17:37 | ripnetuk | and of course tacks the code on the end |
14:18:09 | ripnetuk | 'cause i expect we are not allowed to distribute a modified .hex file |
14:18:29 | Bagder | right |
14:18:45 | Bagder | we need to setup a way that works without any (re-)distribution of iRiver stuff |
14:18:50 | Bagder | iRiver's even |
14:19:33 | Zagor | a perl script or something |
14:19:49 | Bagder | yeps |
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14:23:51 | ripnetuk | cool |
14:26:40 | ripnetuk | q |
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14:44:12 | quelsaruk | lunch time cu! |
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15:40:06 | Tang | Hello |
15:40:08 | Tang | :) |
15:40:25 | lImbus | hi Tang |
15:41:11 | Tang | Hello ;) |
15:42:40 | Tang | i'm watching the log to be "ontopic" |
15:44:02 | Tang | Argh there is another me |
15:44:14 | Tang | i wanna change my nick |
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17:46:41 | [IDC]Dragon | any idea how to avoid many #ifdef HAVE_MULTIVOLUME ? |
17:47:03 | Tang | hello again |
17:47:12 | [IDC]Dragon | I'll end up extending many functions and structs with a volume parameter |
17:52:15 | Tang | Just to congratulate Linus for his lats progress... :) |
17:52:27 | Tang | I've to go cheers! |
17:52:28 | Tang | :) |
17:55:18 | [IDC]Dragon | I see 3 options: |
17:55:49 | [IDC]Dragon | 1) make an #ifdef hell with alternative prototypes, and function calls |
17:56:24 | [IDC]Dragon | 2) use tricky preprocessing to collapse the volume argument to nothing if unused |
17:56:45 | lImbus | wow |
17:57:03 | [IDC]Dragon | 3) generally use the volume number for all, some penalty for the other platforms |
17:57:13 | lImbus | (I rather tought about extending the preprocessor) |
17:57:41 | [IDC]Dragon | option 2) will make the code more difficult to read |
17:57:55 | lImbus | yo |
17:58:23 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor, LinusN, do you read? |
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19:00:16 | emanuel | i have a problem copiling a plugin, with the option simulation i is built, but not when i build it with the standard option. What is wrong? |
19:00:53 | lImbus | mhmm. |
19:00:57 | midk | your environment probably can't build the sim |
19:01:19 | quelsaruk | hi |
19:01:31 | emanuel | no works with the sim, but it is not built in the normal mode... |
19:02:21 | lImbus | thats strange |
19:02:27 | midk | oh, sorry, read that wrong |
19:02:32 | midk | usually the other way around :) |
19:03:03 | lImbus | I don't see the purpose of having a plugin in sim, but not in normal build, else I would recommend you to have a look at the SOURCES-file |
19:03:04 | emanuel | all the standard plugins are built but not mine. |
19:03:30 | lImbus | ah. did you add it to the SOURCES-file ? |
19:03:37 | emanuel | i enhanced the milage-calc plugin... |
19:04:03 | emanuel | no :-) |
19:04:27 | midk | well, it's likely an error with your plugin... what error do you get, anyways? |
19:04:29 | lImbus | then it's rather strange it builds with the sim :D |
19:12:51 | emanuel | ty for yout help, it was the missing entry in SOURCES |
19:13:03 | emanuel | now it works |
19:13:12 | lImbus | you're welcome |
19:24:02 | emanuel | bye |
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20:40:02 | ripnetUK | has anyone else found that Linux doesnt like the iRiver being plugged in and THEN powered up? sda doesnt appear, and a reboot hangs when shutting down alsa? |
20:40:49 | quelsaruk | hmmmm |
20:41:07 | quelsaruk | Zagor ,Bagder, you use linux and have a iriver...thats for you |
20:41:08 | quelsaruk | :) |
20:41:45 | ripnetUK | i think its devfs playing up... worked fine on same hardware on old distro (mdk10.0). That had devfs... |
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