| 00:00:03 | Zagor | sure. anything in particular you're thinking about? |
| 00:00:16 | gromit` | not for the moment |
| 00:00:29 | gromit` | we have the choice between a linux and a port of rockbox |
| 00:00:45 | gromit` | but our last discussion was about rockbox |
| 00:03:44 | Zagor | in my opinion, linux brings too much baggage unless you need complex stuff like networking or a usb host |
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| 00:04:20 | Zagor | but I guess my opinion is rather predictable in this topic :-) |
| 00:04:38 | gromit` | ha |
| 00:04:41 | gromit` | ya |
| 00:05:07 | gromit` | but there are 99% chances that we'll port rockbox |
| 00:05:24 | gromit` | :) |
| 00:05:26 | Bagder | it would be really cool |
| 00:05:44 | gromit` | would be a solid basis for us :) |
| 00:05:47 | gromit` | also |
| 00:06:09 | Bagder | does the gmini use a MAS for mpeg playback? |
| 00:06:22 | Bagder | mp3 I mean |
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| 00:06:33 | gromit` | hmm dunno exactly... w8 |
| 00:06:55 | amiconn | Zagor: I got an answer from the guy with the reboot-instead-of-shutdown problem with flashed rockbox. |
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| 00:07:26 | Zagor | amiconn: ok, was it a player or a recorder? |
| 00:07:35 | amiconn | Player |
| 00:07:54 | JJ-Demon | hi jyp |
| 00:08:04 | gromit` | jyp: |
| 00:08:05 | gromit` | [00:04] <Bagder> does the gmini use a MAS for mpeg playback? |
| 00:08:05 | gromit` | [00:05] <Bagder> mp3 I mean |
| 00:08:08 | jyp | hey all |
| 00:08:19 | jyp | What's MAS ? |
| 00:08:26 | gromit` | same question... |
| 00:08:26 | Zagor | mp3 decoder chip |
| 00:08:35 | amiconn | Bagder: (gmini & mas) Iirc it doesn't |
| 00:08:45 | jyp | It is decoded in software |
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| 00:08:52 | Bagder | ok |
| 00:09:20 | Bagder | so we'll have the same situation for gmini and iRiver then |
| 00:09:25 | jyp | yup |
| 00:09:37 | JJ-Demon | too bad no one is interested int he 400 :( |
| 00:09:43 | JJ-Demon | probly too much work i guess |
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| 00:09:57 | Zagor | JJ-Demon: too little docs. those texas chips are top secret stuff. |
| 00:10:01 | gromit` | JJ-Demon: maybe few gmini400 |
| 00:10:03 | gromit` | for the mment |
| 00:10:19 | Bagder | time to sleep |
| 00:10:26 | jyp | We get quite a lot of gmini 400 requests on #gmemu and on the forum |
| 00:10:46 | JJ-Demon | ill have to learn to code;) |
| 00:10:46 | Zagor | i can imagine. but it's an entirely different device. much more in common with the multimedias. |
| 00:10:58 | gromit` | nite badger |
| 00:11:22 | amiconn | Zagor: It's a really strange problem. Sometimes the player reboots instead of shutdown, and it takes up to 7 tries to shut down. Another time it shuts down with the first try |
| 00:11:23 | JJ-Demon | i suppose photos of the chips and stuff wouldnt help? and all the numbers |
| 00:11:31 | gromit` | neither arm nor calmrisc ? |
| 00:11:53 | Zagor | JJ-Demon: it's always a start |
| 00:12:03 | jyp | Taking photos is probably the 1st thing to do ;) |
| 00:12:07 | gromit` | ya |
| 00:12:10 | JJ-Demon | hmm ok, i think ill take soem pics then |
| 00:12:15 | jyp | Then try to gather docs for them |
| 00:12:19 | JJ-Demon | i gota remove some dust under my screen |
| 00:12:20 | gromit` | then gather firmwares |
| 00:12:29 | JJ-Demon | ill do it when im doing that |
| 00:13:00 | Zagor | JJ-Demon: if you have access to a flat-bed scanner, that's the ideal way to make board images |
| 00:13:07 | amiconn | Zagor: The version number he told (5.02, not sure yet whether this is ROM or archos fw, but these are closely related) suggests that it is a newplayer. I requested some further details, let's see |
| 00:13:43 | Zagor | amiconn: ok |
| 00:15:15 | amiconn | I have a vague idea what might cause this, though if this idea is the real cause, I wonder why we didn't observe it on any other archos unit yet: |
| 00:18:57 | jyp | Let's say we port rockbox to gmini... |
| 00:19:12 | amiconn | Somehow the shutdown sequence might cause an NMI, or a reset (due to an uninitialized port??) |
| 00:19:16 | jyp | What version shall we take as a starting point ? |
| 00:20:20 | Zagor | grab the daily tarball. later is practically always better. |
| 00:20:36 | jyp | ok |
| 00:21:21 | Zagor | amiconn: what does it look like when it won't turn off? is backlight and screen on? text still showing? |
| 00:22:18 | amiconn | He didn't tell this (yet). He said that it starts the shutdown sequence, and he uses the safe shutdown from the menu |
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| 00:23:13 | Zagor | aha, he uses safe shutdown? is it only that which fails or won't it turn off even when holding the button? |
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| 00:24:05 | Digital007 | Hi |
| 00:24:52 | amiconn | Zagor: Neverending questions... He didn't tell this detail as well. I also ahd some more questions, which are already on the way... e.g. whether this problem existed before flashing |
| 00:24:59 | amiconn | s/ahd/had/ |
| 00:26:16 | Zagor | ok. well it's good that we have contact at least. i have a faint recollection of there being something fishy with the poweroff circuit on the players. can't remember what it was though. |
| 00:27:16 | Digital007 | damn those ipod users |
| 00:27:43 | Zagor | Digital007: ? |
| 00:27:47 | amiconn | Zagor: Well, we're pulling the circuit with the button input pin switched to output. Maybe the pull is not strong enough, or long enough. (I guess the cpu will no longer pull when the voltage gets too low) |
| 00:28:06 | Digital007 | found a workaround for the iriver shufflebug |
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| 00:30:52 | Digital007 | got a sneer from an ipod user on the train as i was using my iriver |
| 00:31:47 | Zagor | so then you asked to see his remote? |
| 00:31:58 | jyp | ipod = gaayyyy |
| 00:31:59 | jyp | ;) |
| 00:32:17 | Digital007 | no i didn't |
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| 00:32:22 | Digital007 | why would i wanna see his remote for? |
| 00:32:32 | Zagor | because it's lousy :) |
| 00:32:41 | Digital007 | yea the iriver remote is pretty good |
| 00:33:04 | JJ-Demon | lol i got a case for my gmini 400 at an ipod store, the guys there couldnt belive it played video |
| 00:33:08 | Digital007 | Zagor would iriver-rockbox have proper shuffle when its finally implemented? |
| 00:33:08 | gromit` | re |
| 00:33:45 | Zagor | Digital007: yes, we've had good shuffle for years |
| 00:33:49 | Digital007 | yea |
| 00:34:06 | Digital007 | its just that the iriver does not have a clock, so i wondered if shuffle for it was possible |
| 00:34:29 | Zagor | and we're rather proud of the fact that we even can resume shuffled playlists in the same order |
| 00:34:35 | Digital007 | ye |
| 00:34:47 | Digital007 | iriver firmware plays the same songs in the same order when shuffle is on |
| 00:34:51 | Zagor | clock has nothing to do with it. only some archos models have clock as well. |
| 00:34:53 | Digital007 | just hope rockbox doesn't do that |
| 00:36:06 | Zagor | there's plenty of entropy elsewhere besides the clock. such as when you press the play button. humans are pretty random :) |
| 00:36:06 | amiconn | Digital007: I still wonder why the iriver owners relate a working shuffle to the existence of a clock. In fact, 3 of the 6 archos models that currently run rockbox don't have a clock, and they all have the same, excellent shuffle |
| 00:36:21 | Digital007 | well its what i read on the misticriver site |
| 00:37:03 | Digital007 | A crossfader should be possible as the decoding is software on the iriver |
| 00:37:38 | Zagor | yes |
| 00:37:46 | Dulcise | amiconn: it could be because the random function is sometimes based on the computers clock |
| 00:38:56 | amiconn | Yes, *sometimes* the random seed is taken from the clock... but as Zagor said, there are plenty of other entropy sources |
| 00:39:51 | Dulcise | just out of interest, what like? |
| 00:40:03 | Digital007 | random number generator? |
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| 00:40:59 | Dulcise | can you use a random number genenerator without a random seed? |
| 00:41:15 | jyp | of course |
| 00:41:32 | Zagor | Dulcise: we use the clock tick when you start the playlist. it varies every time. |
| 00:42:16 | Digital007 | so Zagor on the iriver how you vary the playlist every time play is pressed if there is no clock? |
| 00:42:29 | Zagor | there is a clock, just no realtime clock |
| 00:42:41 | Zagor | all computers have internal clocks that start from 0 on powerup |
| 00:42:42 | Digital007 | so it is still possible? |
| 00:42:45 | amiconn | Other possibilities would be the time between 2 keypresses, the duration of a keypress... |
| 00:42:57 | Zagor | or battery level, disk spinup time etc etc |
| 00:43:10 | amiconn | Digital007: Yes, definitely |
| 00:43:15 | Digital007 | cool |
| 00:43:19 | Digital007 | can't wait for iriverbox |
| 00:43:20 | Digital007 | :) |
| 00:43:34 | Dulcise | interesting |
| 00:43:39 | ze | riverrock! |
| 00:43:40 | Dulcise | same :P:) |
| 00:43:40 | ze | oh :p |
| 00:43:59 | amiconn | Even my very first computer (a Sinclair ZX Spectrum) had this runtime counter, and guess what - it could be used for the random seed |
| 00:44:35 | Digital007 | the ZX Spectrum was ok as an upgrade from a calculator..... |
| 00:45:04 | Dulcise | isn't it also used in the fsb, for when to send the command or something |
| 00:45:09 | Digital007 | yea |
| 00:45:14 | Dulcise | to the cpu |
| 00:45:24 | Digital007 | the MAS is obselete these days |
| 00:46:47 | Dulcise | MAS? |
| 00:46:55 | Digital007 | as in the archos |
| 00:46:57 | Digital007 | hardware decoder |
| 00:47:03 | Digital007 | and hardware bass/treble/loudeness |
| 00:47:49 | Dulcise | aaah, is thats why flac etc. can't be added to the archos |
| 00:47:55 | Digital007 | yea |
| 00:48:01 | Digital007 | iriver is software driven |
| 00:48:12 | Dulcise | :) |
| 00:48:24 | Digital007 | so you could add any codec u want to it if u wished |
| 00:48:51 | Dulcise | yeah |
| 00:49:04 | Zagor | ...and you bet people will ask for any codec you can think of :) |
| 00:49:36 | Digital007 | MP3Pro would be a good start |
| 00:49:57 | Dulcise | no one uses mp3pro anymore... |
| 00:50:47 | Dulcise | i'm happy with just the ones that are already supported by the h1xx |
| 00:51:06 | Zagor | well we won't support wma of course |
| 00:51:23 | Digital007 | :( |
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| 00:51:43 | Dulcise | perhaps a long time in the future others, flac etc. |
| 00:51:43 | Dulcise | Zagor: why not? |
| 00:52:13 | Dulcise | i know you its not possible to do protected ones |
| 00:52:27 | Dulcise | *they shouldn't be a you in there... |
| 00:54:45 | Zagor | because ot |
| 00:55:04 | Zagor | it's a locked-down proprietary format that we aren't even allowed to implement without paying Microsoft |
| 00:56:30 | Dulcise | that sucks, i don't know why companys make proprietary formats, they must lock themselfs out of quite a bit of the market |
| 00:56:59 | Zagor | the idea, especially if you have a monopoly, is to lock customers into the market |
| 00:57:30 | Dulcise | i guess |
| 00:57:44 | gromit` | hehe |
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| 00:58:08 | gromit` | have you seen how microsoft told its customers about bbypassing itunes drm ? |
| 00:58:22 | gromit` | burning a cd |
| 00:58:29 | Dulcise | no..? |
| 00:58:32 | gromit` | then they removed the tip from their website :) |
| 00:58:37 | gromit` | funny... |
| 00:58:51 | pvh | After my latest solder-job to reattach the end board, my rockbox powers on then powers off right after. |
| 00:59:03 | pvh | If I hold the on button on, it stays on. |
| 00:59:37 | pvh | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 00:59:38 | Zagor | pvh: which model is it? |
| 00:59:43 | Dulcise | lol |
| 00:59:43 | Dulcise | i wonder if you can bypass wma protections in a similar maner... |
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| 01:00:03 | gromit` | ya :) |
| 01:00:07 | Zagor | Dulcise: of course you can |
| 01:00:09 | pvh | Recorder V1 |
| 01:00:18 | gromit` | that's why they removed the tip :) |
| 01:00:23 | gromit` | dumbass |
| 01:00:29 | gromit` | dumbass <- microsoft |
| 01:00:31 | gromit` | :) |
| 01:00:32 | Dulcise | lol |
| 01:00:51 | jyp | In theory we can do any format; just don't infringe on patents |
| 01:00:53 | Dulcise | :P |
| 01:01:15 | gromit` | then release the patented format with bittorent |
| 01:01:18 | gromit` | hrm no... |
| 01:01:20 | gromit` | not anymore |
| 01:01:23 | gromit` | :) |
| 01:02:22 | jyp | That would be interesting to implement WMA... I'm not sure they'd have anything against us. |
| 01:02:46 | gromit` | wma is crap :) |
| 01:03:00 | jyp | I don't know ;) |
| 01:03:09 | gromit` | why not .mov |
| 01:03:30 | Dulcise | well.. if you did your own implimentation is it infiringing at all? |
| 01:04:00 | Dulcise | wait a min, ignore last thing i said |
| 01:05:45 | amiconn | Zagor: I just found a very interesting routine in the archos player disassembly when checking how they do the player poweroff |
| 01:06:41 | amiconn | There is the (very slight) chance that the charger gets plugged while the powerdown loop is running, but the box did not yet powerdown completely |
| 01:07:04 | amiconn | We do not handle this case in rockbox, so this will cause a deadlock |
| 01:07:34 | amiconn | Archos activates the watchdog timer in this case, causing a reset after ~100 ms |
| 01:07:39 | Zagor | ok |
| 01:08:03 | pvh | Is there any way to force rombox to boot from the AC Charging screen?? |
| 01:08:15 | amiconn | Just press on |
| 01:08:27 | pvh | Doesn't work. |
| 01:08:51 | pvh | Must be my build, which is a couple months old now. |
| 01:09:21 | amiconn | Works for me, both on the recorder V1 and the player. It only boots after releasing the button again |
| 01:10:07 | pvh | Will 'box boot without the .rockbox folder? |
| 01:10:17 | amiconn | Yup. |
| 01:10:34 | amiconn | It will complain about the missing .rockbox folder of course |
| 01:10:39 | pvh | That's not it then |
| 01:24:28 | amiconn | Zagor: In fact it's very easy to deadlock rockbox, I just tried it with the recorder. Start safe shutdown, and while it displays the "Shutting down" message, plug in the charger... |
| 01:24:53 | Zagor | you just need to know the trick :) |
| 01:28:16 | amiconn | Same trick does also work for the player |
| 01:30:38 | amiconn | Btw, is there a reason why the power_off() disables the backlight for the player, but not for the recorder models? |
| 01:33:01 | amiconn | I guess this has to do with the backlight being connected to the rtc, and the "direct switch" functions being internal to backlight.c ... but this could be changed (?) |
| 01:33:06 | pvh | Is it possible that my problem is caused by lousy soldering? I would think that as long as I had soldered at least one point on each side it would work. |
| 01:34:15 | Zagor | amiconn: there is no (good) reason for that. the recorder should do the same imho. |
| 01:37:57 | amiconn | The "official" backlight_off() function does only post an event to the backlight queue, which wouldn't help here |
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| 01:42:33 | Quelsaruk | time to go |
| 01:42:35 | Quelsaruk | cu! |
| 01:42:38 | Quelsaruk | goood night |
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| 01:43:38 | amiconn | I think I'll follow that example |
| 01:43:44 | amiconn | Nite everyone |
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| 01:43:58 | jyp | nite |
| 01:44:02 | jyp | too ;) |
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| 01:59:36 | Zagor | bed time |
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| 02:44:34 | PnkyChkn | hello? |
| 02:44:55 | midk | hey |
| 02:44:58 | Dulcise | hey |
| 02:45:05 | PnkyChkn | hi |
| 02:45:28 | PnkyChkn | I'm looking for some knowledgeable folk to give me a hand with a problem I'm having with my Studio 20. |
| 02:45:39 | PnkyChkn | Can you guys help at all? |
| 02:46:47 | midk | depends, what is the problem? |
| 02:47:05 | PnkyChkn | ok, here's what happened |
| 02:48:29 | PnkyChkn | About a month ago I was walking back from class with the player in my pocket. I took it out to turn it off, and it turned off and gave me an HD error. I tried to start it up again, and it got stuck on the "Jukebox Ver 5.xx" screen for a while, then gave me a file sys error. |
| 02:48:42 | PnkyChkn | So |
| 02:48:54 | PnkyChkn | I just changed the batteries, and it's still doing the same thing |
| 02:49:08 | PnkyChkn | and I've taken it apart to check if it was the battery connectors, but they're fine. |
| 02:49:21 | PnkyChkn | but I'm still having the same problem. |
| 02:49:55 | midk | can you connect to usb? |
| 02:50:01 | midk | (to a pc, via usb) |
| 02:50:17 | PnkyChkn | The PC won't recognize the hardware. The player goes into USB mode, but the comp doesn't recognize it. |
| 02:51:30 | midk | won't boot, pc won't recognize it? |
| 02:51:33 | midk | hmm. |
| 02:51:43 | PnkyChkn | yep. |
| 02:53:07 | midk | hold on |
| 02:53:17 | PnkyChkn | ok, thanks |
| 02:56:05 | midk | you changed the batteries -> were they full (or at least 50% charged)? |
| 02:57:11 | PnkyChkn | They'd been charging for about 3, 3 and a half hours. |
| 02:57:40 | PnkyChkn | so I should try again when they're more fully charged? |
| 02:57:56 | midk | they should probably be working now.. |
| 02:58:20 | midk | but it seems that people with this error were able to usb to a pc fine, could you double check that if you didn't? |
| 02:58:54 | PnkyChkn | I did |
| 02:58:58 | PnkyChkn | double check it I mean |
| 02:59:22 | midk | weird, sorry, i can't help |
| 02:59:25 | PnkyChkn | I AM however using a driver that wasn't from the CD...found it on the internet |
| 02:59:28 | PnkyChkn | could that be it? |
| 02:59:32 | PnkyChkn | (my computer crashed and I lost the install CD) |
| 02:59:37 | midk | has it connected to usb before? |
| 02:59:41 | PnkyChkn | yeah |
| 02:59:52 | midk | since you installed the new driver? |
| 02:59:55 | PnkyChkn | yep. |
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| 03:00:03 | midk | probably not then |
| 03:00:06 | PnkyChkn | ok |
| 03:00:13 | PnkyChkn | well, thanks anyway |
| 03:00:27 | PnkyChkn | there was one other thing, now that I think about it. |
| 03:01:18 | PnkyChkn | When I took it apart to check the battery connectors, one of the battery springs (the part of the connector that the - end of the battery connects to) had a weird wire restricting the spring |
| 03:02:23 | PnkyChkn | I took it out because my electronics-knowledgeable friend told me that he didn't think it was supposed to be there and wasn't important, but could this be why I'm having trouble? I was still getting the same error before I took it out, but.... |
| 03:02:52 | PnkyChkn | I tried this before I got new batteries (because I had to wait till I got home from college to be near a store that sold NiMH batteries) |
| 03:03:46 | midk | here's a studio scan.. |
| 03:03:48 | midk | http://www.rockbox.org/internals/6k_cpu.jpg |
| 03:05:14 | PnkyChkn | thanks |
| 03:05:18 | midk | don't see anything like it though |
| 03:05:48 | midk | i've still got no idea.. maybe if you come back later or tomorrow you'll run into LinusN who could likely help you |
| 03:06:05 | midk | [idc]dragon or amiconn may also be helpful |
| 03:06:50 | PnkyChkn | ok |
| 03:06:57 | PnkyChkn | any idea what time they can usually be found? |
| 03:07:25 | midk | amiconn left about 1h45m ago |
| 03:07:36 | midk | you may want to try tomorrow about 3h earlier if you can |
| 03:08:05 | PnkyChkn | alright |
| 03:08:11 | PnkyChkn | thanks so much for all the help |
| 03:08:21 | midk | no problem, good luck! |
| 03:08:39 | PnkyChkn | be back tomorrow then. Later |
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| 09:06:36 | Zagor | morning |
| 09:08:09 | Zagor | i've changed my mind about rushing 2.4 out the door. there's only very little changes from 2.3. most of our work has been for the new hardware support. |
| 09:09:57 | amiconn | morning |
| 09:13:14 | amiconn | Imho some of the bug fixes would justify a new release. |
| 09:13:31 | amiconn | There was that file caching bug for writing in 2.3, which wears the flash unnecessarily and makes it slow as hell on Ondio when e.g. saving configs |
| 09:14:08 | Zagor | yes, that is one of the five changes i found and listed in my preliminary notes |
| 09:14:13 | amiconn | Then 2.3 does not support all Ondio hardware versions yet. Some users already ran into that problem |
| 09:14:51 | Zagor | i'm not saying we shouldn't release, just that a pre-christmas rush job is not necessary |
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| 09:16:06 | amiconn_ | Grmpf! |
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| 09:16:20 | Zagor | on the other hand I have the release done already so release is simply a matter of sending a mail. hmm... |
| 09:16:36 | Zagor | i feel your pain :( |
| 09:16:43 | amiconn | Another improvement (way less significant though) is the Ondio keyboard |
| 09:18:17 | Zagor | http://www.rockbox.org/download/2.4/rockbox-2.4-notes.txt |
| 09:19:00 | amiconn | On the other hand, it would be good to get some things straight before a new release... the recording beep is one such thing |
| 09:19:20 | amiconn | The current implementation definitely disturbs prerecording. |
| 09:19:31 | Zagor | yes. but the code I packaged does not include that |
| 09:20:29 | amiconn | I experimented a bit yesterday. When I only toggle coded reg. 0 bit 0, it still beeps even without an input signal, and it does not disturb prerecording. But the beep gets even more faint... |
| 09:21:09 | Zagor | as in hard to hear faint, or just not very strong? |
| 09:23:16 | amiconn | Well, you can hear it in a quiet environment (and it gets louder if there is an input signal, but it may be hard to hear in a noisy environment |
| 09:24:44 | Zagor | it's clear we need more experiments and input from the blind users |
| 09:24:53 | amiconn | All other "beep methods" do only beep when there is an input signal, and then are about the same strength |
| 09:33:34 | amiconn | Iirc, the 74 and 80 minute time split settings are already present in 2.3. The remote control should also work in 2.3, it was broken afterwards, and then fixed again. |
| 09:34:20 | Zagor | no the split was added after 2.3. i base the notes on the cvs log |
| 09:34:48 | Zagor | the remote is probably right though, it was only temporarily broken post-2.3 |
| 09:35:30 | amiconn | remote was broken on Nov 18 (by Linus adding the iRiver code) and then fixed again on Nov 25 |
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| 09:36:07 | Zagor | right |
| 09:36:38 | Zagor | i meant that your remark about the remote was right |
| 09:38:18 | amiconn | You're right about the time split. That means the 2.3 manual is incorrect about that... |
| 09:38:49 | Zagor | aha. another reason to release then :) |
| 09:40:09 | amiconn | Then there is flash for the players (although there still seem to be some quirks) |
| 09:41:02 | Zagor | yes I don't want to announce that as released until we've had more testing |
| 09:41:19 | amiconn | ..and still nobody tried it on an oldplayer.. :( |
| 09:50:04 | amiconn | Zagor: Didn't you offer to send your oldplayer? |
| 09:50:26 | amiconn | If this was a serious offer, I'd ask [IDC]Dragon if he still has a spare flash rom, and would solder this in. |
| 09:50:51 | Zagor | sure, we could do that. i hardly ever use it anyway, only for testing once in a blue moon |
| 09:54:36 | amiconn | Okay. If Jörg is willing to do that, you could send your player to me first. I would do the uart boot mod and do some tests first. Jörg doesn't dare to do the uart boot mod for players, as he seems to have killed a player by doing it... If this works, I'd send the cpu board to Jörg, who would then swap the ROM and send it back to me. I would flash it, and do some more tests |
| 09:54:55 | Zagor | ok |
| 09:55:31 | Zagor | "who will win. rockbox or 1.70 firmware. i hope to God its rockbox." −− iriver.com user forum |
| 09:55:44 | Zagor | :) |
| 09:55:55 | amiconn | :) |
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| 11:38:51 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: do you read? |
| 11:40:53 | [IDC]Dragon | owever, saw your chat with Jens |
| 11:41:03 | [IDC]Dragon | however... |
| 11:41:41 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm in favour of a "small" relaese, call it 2.31 if you like |
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| 11:41:59 | Digital007 | morning............. |
| 11:42:06 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi |
| 11:42:12 | Digital007 | hi |
| 11:42:23 | Digital007 | Does anyone have one of those iSkin iriver protectors? |
| 11:43:33 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: i think 2.4 is fine. 2.31 will most likely confuse more than help |
| 11:43:58 | Quelsaruk | btw, morning :) |
| 11:44:02 | [IDC]Dragon | whatever |
| 11:44:36 | [IDC]Dragon | my reasoning is that a "scheduled" release won't hurt, especially before we change it big time |
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| 11:45:43 | Quelsaruk | re |
| 11:46:01 | [IDC]Dragon | it may be unstable for a while then |
| 11:46:36 | Zagor | yes, i agree. i'll release after lunch. |
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| 11:47:51 | [IDC]Dragon | recording beep is not in yet, you said |
| 11:48:17 | [IDC]Dragon | or should we disable it for prerecording but include it? |
| 11:48:49 | [IDC]Dragon | would be nice for the blind chaps |
| 11:49:03 | Zagor | i think we should test more first |
| 11:49:07 | [IDC]Dragon | else they just missed it in this realese |
| 11:49:45 | [IDC]Dragon | at least it's not "harmful" then |
| 11:50:38 | Zagor | there's also the issue about releasing things that we might change. i prefer to test it in the dailies for a few weeks first. |
| 11:51:23 | [IDC]Dragon | like, having a branch before a release? |
| 11:51:37 | [IDC]Dragon | or a freeze? |
| 11:51:56 | Zagor | we've usually done it with freezes, but a branch works too if we don't want to freeze |
| 11:52:25 | Zagor | also functions can be tested without freezing, just by being in the dailies and having people try them |
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| 12:19:42 | Tang | hello guys :) |
| 12:20:04 | Tang | 09.55.31 # <Zagor> "who will win. rockbox or 1.70 firmware. i hope to God its rockbox." −− iriver.com user forum |
| 12:20:43 | Tang | LOL! I have no real doubt you can win agianst iRiver firmware section.... |
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| 12:35:00 | Zagor | hi tang |
| 12:35:09 | Tang | Hi Zagor |
| 12:35:11 | Tang | :) |
| 12:36:00 | Tang | happy christmas for tomorrow :) |
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| 12:44:31 | |Quelsar| | f***ing drivers... |
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| 13:03:45 | Topic | "Rockbox 2.4 released - Merry Christmas!" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
| 13:04:03 | Mode | "#rockbox -o Zagor " by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
| 13:23:54 | Hadaka | woo, rockbox 2.4! |
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| 13:26:40 | Zagor | woo, Hadaka awake :) |
| 13:26:46 | Zagor | hi christi |
| 13:26:50 | Christi-S | Heya |
| 13:27:09 | Christi-S | Who do I kill for releasing 2.4 just after I get the 2.3 manual done. ;) |
| 13:27:15 | Zagor | me :) |
| 13:27:27 | Christi-S | Consider yourself killed. |
| 13:27:28 | Zagor | seriously, very little has changed that affects the manual |
| 13:27:38 | * | Christi-S nods. |
| 13:27:38 | Hadaka | this has probably been asked here every now and then, but have you considered doing anything about Neuros? |
| 13:28:01 | Zagor | Hadaka: not while the compiler costs $6000 |
| 13:28:05 | [IDC]Dragon | Christi-S: do a search-and replace 2.3 -> 2.4 ;-) |
| 13:28:08 | Hadaka | yikes |
| 13:28:15 | Hadaka | understandable :) |
| 13:28:16 | Christi-S | I have to do a manual update anyway. I have to use a Type 1 rather than a Truetype font for the PDF to be searchable. |
| 13:28:57 | Christi-S | IDC - there's a couple of new features though (recording beeps etc.) - might as well try to get them added. |
| 13:29:07 | [IDC]Dragon | no beep yet |
| 13:29:08 | Zagor | the beeps are not in 2.4 |
| 13:29:21 | Christi-S | Oh, right. So what is that I need to know about? |
| 13:29:34 | [IDC]Dragon | Ondio keyboard screen |
| 13:29:47 | Hadaka | oh and, I remember hearing something about S/PDIF recording being broken at some point - does that work with 2.4? |
| 13:30:11 | Christi-S | Since that's not documented yet, I don't have to worry about that. |
| 13:30:16 | Zagor | Hadaka: that has never been cleared out. it works for lots of people, but one or a few have had problems. |
| 13:30:34 | [IDC]Dragon | and more Ondio in general... |
| 13:30:52 | Hadaka | right, well I'll have to test that myself then |
| 13:30:55 | Christi-S | That it? |
| 13:31:07 | [IDC]Dragon | afaict, yes |
| 13:31:19 | Zagor | Christi-S: there are two new timesplit options: 74 and 80 minutes |
| 13:31:29 | Zagor | i don't remember if you list all options |
| 13:31:42 | Zagor | for time split recording |
| 13:32:04 | Christi-S | They're actually already documented - wasn't in the early drafts, but amiconn is a wonderfully thorough proofreader. ;) |
| 13:32:21 | Zagor | ah |
| 13:32:58 | Christi-S | Looks like I don't have to kill you after all, since I was going to release a new manual anyway. ;) |
| 13:33:20 | Christi-S | Too late now though. Ah well, these things happen. |
| 13:33:26 | [IDC]Dragon | 2.5 will be the killer then |
| 13:33:44 | * | Zagor rises from the ashes |
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| 13:34:01 | Christi-S | Neat trick! |
| 13:34:28 | [IDC]Dragon | I have to try vintage versions of Rockbox. 1.4 was one when I started |
| 13:34:29 | Christi-S | I'm hoping to get a few more volunteers helping out on the manual. Realistically it's a bigger job than 1 person can handle. |
| 13:35:02 | [IDC]Dragon | s/one/on |
| 13:35:15 | Zagor | yes. I and linus discussed setting up a system on the web site where people can upload their modified sxw files and we'll make diffs from them |
| 13:36:22 | Christi-S | Well, I've said to submit them as patches for the time being, since we already have a mechanism for that. |
| 13:36:52 | Zagor | yes, but it's heavy work finding out what was changed |
| 13:36:55 | [IDC]Dragon | is sxw diff-able ASCII? |
| 13:36:56 | Christi-S | As long as an author starts from a previous reach, editing it in should be fairly easy. |
| 13:37:10 | Christi-S | OpenOffice has versioning support. |
| 13:37:11 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: it's xml in a zip |
| 13:37:28 | Zagor | Christi-S: aha, well ok never mind me then :-) |
| 13:37:31 | [IDC]Dragon | xml would be diff-able |
| 13:37:34 | Christi-S | Start a new version and then I get to decide whether to accept any changes or not. |
| 13:37:44 | Christi-S | It's moderately nifty. |
| 13:37:49 | Christi-S | (Assuming it works.) |
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| 13:41:16 | Christi-S | Oooh. I just typed "release" as "reach" |
| 13:41:22 | Christi-S | I need more sleep. |
| 13:41:41 | Christi-S | 2.4 manual willl probably be out tonight then. |
| 13:41:54 | Zagor | goodie |
| 13:41:58 | Christi-S | I need to check that changing the font hasn't mucked up the formatting. |
| 13:42:24 | Christi-S | But PDFs you can actually search through are a good idea. |
| 13:43:57 | Zagor | indeed |
| 13:44:55 | gromit` | noteyou can use .tex and cvs |
| 13:45:08 | gromit` | with each part in a separate file |
| 13:45:31 | Zagor | yes, but tex has a rather steep learning curve |
| 13:45:39 | gromit` | boah |
| 13:45:41 | Christi-S | The effort of moving away from OO wouldn't be worth it. |
| 13:45:46 | Christi-S | So does OO. |
| 13:46:03 | gromit` | you have editors if you wanna simplify the task |
| 13:46:07 | gromit` | such as lyx |
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| 13:46:19 | gromit` | and i think it is possible to convert existing files |
| 13:46:28 | Christi-S | (It might have been before I bashed the 2.3 manual into shape,) |
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| 13:46:39 | Zagor | i actually don't have strong opinions about which tools to use. (s)he who does the work selects the tools. |
| 13:47:05 | Christi-S | If I were starting from scratch, I'd probably use LaTeX. |
| 13:47:08 | Christi-S | But I'm not. |
| 13:47:27 | gromit` | you can convert |
| 13:47:46 | Christi-S | No thanks. I have enough pain in my life. |
| 13:48:05 | gromit` | as you want :) |
| 13:48:53 | Christi-S | I've never found a text processing system I like. They all (TeX included) have their own idiocies. |
| 13:49:12 | gromit` | vi |
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| 13:49:19 | Christi-S | Since I understand OOs idiocies better than the rest, I'm sticking with the devil I know. |
| 13:49:24 | gromit` | the main advantage of tex is that maintaining is easier |
| 13:49:40 | gromit` | since it is plain text |
| 13:49:54 | gromit` | and it is cross platform |
| 13:50:06 | Christi-S | Maintaining in OO is not particularly difficult. It just involves shipping a lot of unnecessary data about. |
| 13:50:21 | gromit` | and good looking |
| 13:52:39 | Christi-S | Thinking about it, you could actually keep OO files in CVS since they're just compressed XML. |
| 13:53:19 | Christi-S | All you'd need is a couple of wrapper scripts to decompress on checkin, compress on checkout. |
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| 13:55:19 | Zagor | gotta go. see you later. |
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| 13:57:26 | gromit` | it is overkill |
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| 14:00:31 | Christi-S | Just out of curiosity, have you seen the Rockbox manual, gromit? |
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| 14:04:07 | amiconn | (back) |
| 14:04:10 | amiconn | Hi [IDC]Dragon |
| 14:04:45 | Christi-S | Hi Jens |
| 14:04:54 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi there |
| 14:05:06 | [IDC]Dragon | back from last-minute shopping? |
| 14:06:21 | amiconn | Back from shopping, yes. |
| 14:06:44 | [IDC]Dragon | ok, last-minute is tomorrow ;-) |
| 14:07:03 | amiconn | You said you read the backlog. Do you still have a spare flash chip for Zagor's player? |
| 14:07:40 | [IDC]Dragon | I do, yes (but only the 512kB one) |
| 14:07:59 | [IDC]Dragon | Linus should have a couple of the smaller |
| 14:08:32 | amiconn | How many player rombox images would fit in 512K?! |
| 14:08:34 | [IDC]Dragon | and Linus has the Really Old Player, right? |
| 14:08:50 | [IDC]Dragon | perhaps they should swap, temporarily |
| 14:09:05 | amiconn | yup. Linus apparently has the very first hardware version, without hd power control |
| 14:10:16 | [IDC]Dragon | or approach Linus to send Player and chip... |
| 14:10:25 | amiconn | The main thing I want to check is whether the oldlcd init works, however, if Linus also has the smaller roms, but no time to do it, he could send his player instead, together with a chip |
| 14:10:36 | amiconn | :) |
| 14:12:03 | amiconn | Did you read about my findings how easy it is to deadlock rockbox at shutdown? |
| 14:13:45 | [IDC]Dragon | with the charger? |
| 14:14:04 | amiconn | yup |
| 14:14:22 | [IDC]Dragon | saw that, but didn't try to understand |
| 14:15:45 | amiconn | It's relatively simple: The shutdown sequence (on player and rec v1) switches the STOP resp. OFF button input pins to output and pulls them, then enters an endless loop |
| 14:16:28 | [IDC]Dragon | and the charger makes it really endless... |
| 14:16:37 | amiconn | The hardware poweroff then powers off the box after ~2 sec. If you plug the charger in the meantime, the box can't power off, and rockbox is trapped in that loop |
| 14:17:12 | [IDC]Dragon | so you want to restart? |
| 14:17:28 | amiconn | Archos uses a nice trick to overcome this: They observe the charger status within that loop, and if they detect that the charger was plugged, they initialize the watchdog timer |
| 14:17:51 | [IDC]Dragon | to get such a restart, I guess |
| 14:18:14 | amiconn | The watchdog timer is not catered afterwards, so it does a manual reset after ~100 ms (the maximum timeout possible, programmed by the init) |
| 14:18:29 | [IDC]Dragon | easy fix then |
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| 14:19:47 | amiconn | Well, for the player it is really easy, because the charger detection is a port pin, but for recorder v1 it is a bit more difficult, since charger detection is on analog in |
| 14:20:42 | amiconn | Interrupts are disabled for the loop, so using the analog values won't work. Archos uses port C with heavy filtering (against glitches) |
| 14:21:21 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, somebody spent a lot of dedication to that exotic situation |
| 14:22:17 | amiconn | I found this when I checked how archos does the poweroff, for investigating that strange reboot-instead-of-shutdown problem with a flashed player |
| 14:22:31 | [IDC]Dragon | how about a simple timeout in the loop? |
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| 14:24:26 | amiconn | Hmm. While this would work, imho it would need a large safety margin, say 5 seconds. |
| 14:28:08 | amiconn | The reboot would then take place only after this timeout. However, imho it is not necessary to use the watchdog. There is a system_reboot() function already |
| 14:30:31 | amiconn | You probably read about my beep experiments. What do you think? Should I commit the (noticeably quieter, but non-disturbing to prerecording) beep? |
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| 14:39:30 | [IDC]Dragon | I haven't listened to it |
| 14:40:25 | [IDC]Dragon | so it's rather up to you to decide |
| 14:41:26 | [IDC]Dragon | I definitely don't like it the way it is now, either no beep while prerecording, or a different beep |
| 14:44:27 | amiconn | My modified beep does only toggle reg. 0 bit 0, which switches the DAC off & on. All other methods I tried don't beep if there is no input signal. Switching the main volume does never beep, as expected. |
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| 14:48:37 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: http://amiconn.dyndns.org/beep.diff . Perhaps try it, and commit it if you want. Gotta go now. |
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| 15:29:33 | Cassandra | My debian install doesn't seem to have anything capable of doing this. Bleh. |
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| 19:15:44 | basti^berlin | hi |
| 19:16:06 | basti^berlin | hope somebody can help me |
| 19:17:57 | midk | what's the problem? |
| 19:18:12 | basti^berlin | i cant edit recorded files |
| 19:18:28 | midk | on a pc? |
| 19:18:30 | basti^berlin | with a length over 5 h |
| 19:18:34 | basti^berlin | yeah |
| 19:18:41 | basti^berlin | the header isnt correct |
| 19:18:51 | midk | in menu->recording->recording settings is "independent frames" set to Yes? |
| 19:19:14 | basti^berlin | looking |
| 19:19:28 | basti^berlin | ne |
| 19:19:31 | basti^berlin | no |
| 19:19:50 | midk | try it, it was once called something like "Editable Frames" -> may help your problem |
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| 19:20:08 | midk | when i asked about it, Linus said it had to do with editing the files |
| 19:20:15 | basti^berlin | ok it will maybe work for the next record |
| 19:20:28 | midk | yes, hopefully |
| 19:20:34 | basti^berlin | but what shall i do with the set i recorded |
| 19:20:49 | midk | one thing you could try... |
| 19:21:12 | basti^berlin | cool edit says that its about 24 minutes |
| 19:21:18 | midk | locate one in the browser, hold PLAY and press open with... and from the list use vbrfix |
| 19:21:28 | basti^berlin | winamp displays it with 350 min |
| 19:21:55 | basti^berlin | tried this with version 2.1 of rockbox |
| 19:22:02 | basti^berlin | and nothing changed |
| 19:22:20 | midk | hmm |
| 19:23:01 | basti^berlin | file is 430mb |
| 19:23:22 | midk | not sure then, sorry |
| 19:23:30 | basti^berlin | np |
| 19:23:44 | basti^berlin | maybe i can open it with wavelap |
| 19:24:14 | basti^berlin | but why does winamp ignores header errors and plays it |
| 19:24:29 | basti^berlin | and edit software doesn´t ? |
| 19:26:39 | midk | no idea in the world |
| 19:27:36 | midk | gotta go, be back later |
| 19:27:38 | midk | good luck with that |
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| 20:28:18 | Quelsaruk | Bagder: i have a stupid question |
| 20:28:20 | Quelsaruk | :/ |
| 20:28:45 | Quelsaruk | if i've installed right how bleeding edge firmware and rocks... |
| 20:29:16 | Quelsaruk | rocks should work.. isn't it? |
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| 21:57:22 | pvh | I'm having trouble with a V1 Recorder repair. I had to resolder the power-connector end board, and now when I power up, I see the "ATA panic -11" error message for about half a second and then power is lost. |
| 21:57:44 | pvh | If I plug into the charger, I can see that the batteries are feeding about 4.3V, so it's not a lack of power. |
| 21:57:51 | pvh | This is without a hard drive installed, by the way. |
| 21:58:00 | pvh | Can anyone help me understand what may be going wrong? |
| 21:58:46 | Quelsaruk | hmmm |
| 21:58:52 | Quelsaruk | install the hd |
| 21:59:17 | Quelsaruk | when you plug, the firmware tries to boot the hd |
| 21:59:35 | Quelsaruk | so i suppose that if it doesn't find a hd.. it crashes |
| 21:59:38 | Quelsaruk | :D |
| 21:59:50 | Quelsaruk | not a technical answer.. but seems logic to me :) |
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| 22:00:16 | pvh | With the HDD installed I just see the rockbox logo for an instant before it powers down. |
| 22:00:27 | pvh | I can make either message stay on by holding down the ON button. |
| 22:01:01 | pvh | I was a bit worried that it was a problem with the disc that was giving me grief (the disc was pulled from somewhere else after my last drive ingested some sand). |
| 22:02:05 | Quelsaruk | :/ |
| 22:02:08 | Quelsaruk | i don't really know |
| 22:03:07 | Quelsaruk | Bagder: here? |
| 22:03:11 | Quelsaruk | i think he may know |
| 22:04:27 | pvh | I really can't afford to replace, and I can barely stand to go on without. |
| 22:04:38 | pvh | Student life. :) |
| 22:05:16 | Quelsaruk | hehehe |
| 22:05:24 | Quelsaruk | i know that life |
| 22:05:24 | Quelsaruk | ;) |
| 22:06:00 | Quelsaruk | how did your last drive eat sand? |
| 22:06:45 | pvh | Well, I can't be entirely certain, but there was a spec of sand just inside the hole marked "do not cover". |
| 22:07:02 | pvh | I can only assume that over the years a little bit of sand found its way from some pocket into the enclosure. |
| 22:07:10 | pvh | And from there into the tiny intake hole. |
| 22:07:20 | pvh | And then there was the screeching and the squealing of disc. |
| 22:07:23 | Quelsaruk | that's bad luck |
| 22:07:46 | pvh | Yeah, it was a lousy month. |
| 22:07:59 | pvh | Laptop died, PC hdd died and mp3 player died. And my glasses broke. |
| 22:08:27 | Quelsaruk | didn't you pick the laptop hd? |
| 22:08:45 | Quelsaruk | that's always a good option |
| 22:08:51 | pvh | Fortunately, the laptop fixed itself (despite the repair shop claiming it was a doorstop), the PC drive was mostly recoverable (with help from the freezer) and the MP3 player is now getting the old laptop drive. |
| 22:09:07 | pvh | Oh, and the glasses got fixed for free. |
| 22:09:37 | Quelsaruk | and that's a lousy month? ;) |
| 22:09:46 | Quelsaruk | hope you repair your jukebox |
| 22:09:49 | Quelsaruk | time to go |
| 22:09:52 | Quelsaruk | dinner time :) |
| 22:09:58 | pvh | See, it's strange because when I first soldered it, it would stay on and let me view the debug menu. |
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| 22:10:35 | pvh | Ah, sweet sweet crashing. |
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| 22:26:36 | pvh_ | I didn't miss anything, did I? |
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| 22:35:09 | Bagder | Quel|away: rocks should work yes, if you installed the whole package |
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| 22:47:01 | Quelsaruk | Bagder: i installed the Bleeding edge package, the ajz and rocks |
| 22:47:04 | Quelsaruk | :/ |
| 22:47:16 | Bagder | sp what happens when you play a rock? |
| 22:48:05 | Quelsaruk | Incompatible version |
| 22:48:07 | Quelsaruk | ¿? |
| 22:48:28 | Quelsaruk | i tried to "play" an image file with my archos recorder v2 |
| 22:48:36 | Bagder | have you flashed your unit? |
| 22:48:48 | Quelsaruk | not yet |
| 22:48:59 | Quelsaruk | 10 days of guarantee left |
| 22:49:02 | Quelsaruk | :D |
| 22:49:04 | Bagder | haha |
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| 22:49:28 | Quelsaruk | in 10 days i'll have my box flashed again |
| 22:49:38 | Quelsaruk | and rockbox will boot really fast |
| 22:52:26 | Quelsaruk | any idea about the issue? |
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| 22:52:50 | Quelsaruk | the bounce rock works |
| 22:53:05 | Quelsaruk | the calculator also works.. |
| 22:53:06 | Bagder | it sounds like the update somehow is bad |
| 22:53:25 | Quelsaruk | seems to be a problem with the jpeg viewer |
| 22:53:46 | Quelsaruk | tried clockbox right now and also works |
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| 22:56:58 | quelsaruk | damned drivers |
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| 22:59:41 | quelsaruk | hi midk |
| 22:59:49 | midk | hey |
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| 23:03:50 | Myx | hello |
| 23:03:59 | Myx | hello |
| 23:04:08 | Bagder | hi |
| 23:04:13 | quelsaruk | hi Myx |
| 23:05:00 | Myx | i have one question , when i visit your website i have the impression nyou can make an iriver firmware , it's right ? it's on good way ? Sorry for my english ;) |
| 23:06:27 | Myx | Bagder and quelsaruk one idea ? :/ |
| 23:06:30 | Bagder | we are working on that, yes |
| 23:07:05 | quelsaruk | Bagder is the man.. he has all the answers |
| 23:07:08 | quelsaruk | :D |
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| 23:07:35 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort |
| 23:07:42 | Bagder | that's the wiki page with all the info |
| 23:08:18 | Myx | Bagder: thanks, where are you ? you are avaible to start write code or you haven't understand iriver if you understand what i want to say |
| 23:08:34 | Myx | ... iriver hardware, crypt |
| 23:08:43 | Bagder | that page describes the situation |
| 23:08:47 | Bagder | we know all the circuts |
| 23:08:49 | Bagder | we can write code |
| 23:08:54 | Bagder | we have many drivers |
| 23:08:59 | quelsaruk | they can flash it |
| 23:09:02 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 23:09:05 | Bagder | that too |
| 23:09:23 | Bagder | and read the disk and use the LCD |
| 23:09:51 | Myx | thank you, so it's a very good start |
| 23:10:00 | Myx | good luck ! |
| 23:10:18 | Bagder | thanks |
| 23:10:25 | Bagder | most of all this is all thanks to Linus |
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| 23:17:21 | PnkyChkn | hi, anybody around? |
| 23:17:26 | Bagder | yes |
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| 23:18:11 | PnkyChkn | hi there......I'm having a bit of an issue with my studio 20...I was in here talking with midk about it yesterday, and I stumped him... |
| 23:18:30 | midk | oh, hey :) |
| 23:18:33 | PnkyChkn | he said to come back about this time and I might find more knowledgeable people |
| 23:18:35 | PnkyChkn | hey |
| 23:18:35 | midk | going to play q3, bbs |
| 23:19:02 | Bagder | so try me :-) |
| 23:19:06 | PnkyChkn | alright |
| 23:20:05 | PnkyChkn | I can't get past the "Jukebox Version x.xx" screen on my player. I've recharged the batteries, I've opened up the jukebox to see if the battery connectors were broken (and they weren't) and I can't get my PC to recognize the jukebox in USB mode to reformat the player. |
| 23:20:15 | PnkyChkn | *replaced the batteries |
| 23:21:11 | Bagder | if I were you, I'd move the harddisk over to a computer to make sure it is healthy |
| 23:21:21 | PnkyChkn | how do I go about doing that? |
| 23:21:32 | Bagder | does the drive spinup when you start your unit? |
| 23:21:38 | Bagder | can you hear/feel it? |
| 23:21:40 | PnkyChkn | yeah |
| 23:21:45 | PnkyChkn | there's like this clicking sound though |
| 23:21:53 | Bagder | ok, then it sounds(!) like a disk problem |
| 23:22:01 | PnkyChkn | meaning what? |
| 23:22:21 | Bagder | something with the disk prevents it from being mounted and used properly in the archos |
| 23:22:33 | Bagder | possibly a file system error |
| 23:22:35 | PnkyChkn | is there any way to fix it, or am I screwed? |
| 23:22:40 | PnkyChkn | right, that's the error I get |
| 23:22:51 | Bagder | put it in your computer and try checking it |
| 23:23:00 | Bagder | use a 2.5" <-> 3.5" converter |
| 23:23:03 | PnkyChkn | how do I go about putting it in my computer? |
| 23:23:18 | PnkyChkn | I'm kind of a novice when it comes to this sort of stuff... |
| 23:23:31 | Bagder | then ask a friend for help that isn't ;-) |
| 23:23:40 | PnkyChkn | ok |
| 23:23:48 | PnkyChkn | where do I get one of those converters, and how much do they run? |
| 23:24:35 | Bagder | 1) don't know 2) don't know ;-) |
| 23:24:43 | PnkyChkn | lol |
| 23:24:44 | PnkyChkn | ok |
| 23:24:47 | midk | http://www.saveateagle.com/hd-108.html?ovchn=OTHER&ovcpn=Froogle&ovcrn=HD-108&ovtac=CMP |
| 23:24:48 | midk | :) |
| 23:24:57 | Bagder | you get it from any techy dealer in your neighbourhood |
| 23:24:58 | midk | er.. wrong link.. |
| 23:24:59 | PnkyChkn | if there's a problem with the disk, though, is there any way to fix it, or am I just out of luck? |
| 23:25:43 | Bagder | it depends on what problem it is |
| 23:25:44 | midk | this should work |
| 23:25:45 | midk | http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=316601&affiliate=froogle |
| 23:26:06 | Bagder | if you're lucky, you can run scandisk and then go |
| 23:26:36 | Dulcise | if you could get your hands on a notebook, couldn't you use that? |
| 23:26:45 | Bagder | sure |
| 23:26:55 | Bagder | but they usually only have room for one disk |
| 23:27:28 | Dulcise | yeah, but they is a scandisk on the recovery floppy if i remember right |
| 23:27:39 | Bagder | aha |
| 23:27:54 | PnkyChkn | eh? |
| 23:27:54 | * | Bagder knows very little windows magic |
| 23:28:19 | midk | so you need either the last link, or a laptop with a recovery floppy :) |
| 23:28:33 | PnkyChkn | how would I go about using a laptop with a recovery floppy? |
| 23:28:41 | PnkyChkn | any sort of instructions anywhere online? |
| 23:28:56 | midk | just have to find instructions on replacing a laptop hard drive really |
| 23:29:12 | midk | boot from the floppy and use any kind of 'scan disk for errors' option |
| 23:29:30 | PnkyChkn | do I have to take apart the jukebox to do that? |
| 23:29:37 | midk | yes, for either method |
| 23:30:09 | PnkyChkn | what do I do with it once I've taken it apart (sorry for being a dumbass) |
| 23:30:51 | Dulcise | ether plug it into your computer using the adapter, or plug it into a laptop, then run scandisk on it |
| 23:31:11 | Dulcise | (thats right?) |
| 23:31:20 | midk | yep |
| 23:31:33 | PnkyChkn | if I do it through a laptop can I just use a USB cable? how do I connect it to the computer? |
| 23:31:59 | Bagder | you rip out the existing, and put the Archos one in there instead |
| 23:32:08 | Bagder | you need to rip out the disk from your Archos |
| 23:32:13 | midk | you can't use a usb cable unless you put it in a usb enclosure i'd think.. you'd have to open the laptop and take out your hard drive from the laptop and swap it out with the archos one |
| 23:32:20 | Dulcise | PnkyChkn: you have to open up your computer and do it. |
| 23:32:28 | PnkyChkn | ok |
| 23:32:32 | PnkyChkn | hrm |
| 23:32:43 | PnkyChkn | sounds like the adapters the way to go then, because none of my friends are gonna let me rip apart their laptops |
| 23:33:01 | midk | the adapter way is simpler i'd say |
| 23:33:21 | Bagder | I'd take that route too |
| 23:33:23 | midk | you can still boot to your current hard drive/os and just check the archos one |
| 23:33:30 | Dulcise | indeed, if you really don't want to open up your pc you can get ide to usb dongles... |
| 23:34:15 | midk | [hard drive] -> [2.5->3.5 adapter] -> [usb dongle] -> [pc] :) |
| 23:34:52 | PnkyChkn | so whether or not I do the USB dongle, I need to buy the adapter then |
| 23:35:09 | midk | i'd think so, yes |
| 23:35:19 | midk | (not sure if usb dongles do 2.5 drives) |
| 23:35:22 | Bagder | unless you already considered upgrading to a bigger disk ;-) |
| 23:36:22 | PnkyChkn | ok |
| 23:36:42 | PnkyChkn | I don't suppose like radioshack or something would carry the adapter/usb dongle, would they? |
| 23:37:11 | Bagder | I would assume they do |
| 23:37:24 | PnkyChkn | hrm |
| 23:37:28 | Bagder | but then I've never actually seen or visited a radioshack ;-) |
| 23:37:32 | PnkyChkn | haha |
| 23:37:35 | midk | yes, i'd think so, but not sure |
| 23:37:46 | * | Bagder is up in dark cold Sweden |
| 23:37:55 | PnkyChkn | brb, checking to see if they'll show it online |
| 23:38:41 | Dulcise | they don't have them here in rainy england ether, well i have never seen one |
| 23:39:14 | midk | not seeing it online, you could give them a call, though |
| 23:39:40 | Dulcise | i've seen them at computer fairs, in quite abundance |
| 23:43:47 | PnkyChkn | hrm...next closest electronics store to me would be best buy... |
| 23:44:19 | midk | i doubt they'd have it, they're not that type of store :) but never know |
| 23:44:33 | PnkyChkn | so basically I need to buy it online |
| 23:45:02 | midk | i'd call radioshack and see if they have it first.. |
| 23:45:20 | midk | do you have any other kind of computer stores around? like part shops, not retail store kind of things |
| 23:45:58 | PnkyChkn | not that I can think of offhand. |
| 23:46:01 | PnkyChkn | I'm from a small town |
| 23:46:14 | midk | ah, i guess online would be best then :) |
| 23:47:27 | PnkyChkn | ok, last question: |
| 23:47:32 | PnkyChkn | where online would I find USB dongles? |
| 23:47:45 | PnkyChkn | (I didn't even realize dongles was a word, heh) |
| 23:47:54 | Dulcise | i've only seen them at pc fairs so i don't know... |
| 23:48:53 | Bagder | would that actually power the drive too you say? |
| 23:49:07 | Dulcise | hmm i'm not sure |
| 23:49:07 | Bagder | or how would that be connected when he gets an adapter? |
| 23:49:34 | Dulcise | doh, its an adaper not a dongle |
| 23:49:37 | Dulcise | my bad.. |
| 23:50:11 | PnkyChkn | lol |
| 23:50:15 | PnkyChkn | ok |
| 23:50:17 | Bagder | and I don't think it powers the disk |
| 23:50:30 | PnkyChkn | meaning? |
| 23:50:43 | Bagder | I'd skip the USB thought and go plain IDE |
| 23:51:03 | Dulcise | yeah, i was presuming it got power as well :\ |
| 23:51:24 | Bagder | also that adapter is pretty expensive |
| 23:51:31 | Bagder | I see one at 39 USD |
| 23:51:39 | PnkyChkn | ouch |
| 23:51:46 | Dulcise | i see one a little cheaper |
| 23:51:58 | Dulcise | $37.49 |
| 23:51:58 | PnkyChkn | ok |
| 23:52:02 | PnkyChkn | straight IDE it is. |
| 23:52:51 | PnkyChkn | I've still got no idea how to go about doing this once I've got the adapter though...I mean as far as actual installation of the disk goes. I won't make you guys walk me through it, but are there any instruction sites online or something like that? |
| 23:53:00 | Dulcise | does the iRiver use a laptop hard drive? |
| 23:53:09 | Bagder | Dulcise: no, a 1.8" one |
| 23:54:04 | Dulcise | http://www.helpwithpcs.com/upgrading/install-hard-drive.htm <−− except you plug the ide lead into the adapter |
| 23:55:11 | PnkyChkn | do I need to take out my current hard drive to do this? |
| 23:55:17 | Bagder | no |
| 23:55:23 | midk | be right back |
| 23:55:27 | | Quit midk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 23:55:35 | Bagder | PnkyChkn: but you need to extract the drive from your archos |
| 23:55:37 | PnkyChkn | ok |
| 23:55:40 | Dulcise | if you only have one hard drive in you will probably see a spare connector on the ide lead |
| 23:55:58 | PnkyChkn | is extracting it from the archos difficult? |
| 23:56:07 | Bagder | no |
| 23:56:16 | Bagder | there are pictures available for that too |
| 23:56:21 | PnkyChkn | awesome |
| 23:56:54 | Bagder | like this http://www2.funmp3players.com/reviews/modify/ |
| 23:57:40 | Bagder | and http://www.mctubster.com/hd.html |
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