| 00:00:46 | amiconn | Really? |
| 00:01:26 | [IDC]Dragon | testing more, got fooled so many times yesterday+today |
| 00:03:08 | amiconn | The wrong snippet within a song is around 5 seconds long. This coincides with 256 sectors (= 128 KB) @ ~200 kbps |
| 00:06:13 | [IDC]Dragon | fat cache inuse: this is worse, early marking helps not much |
| 00:06:36 | amiconn | I was just about saying the same.. |
| 00:07:00 | [IDC]Dragon | when yielding away, thread B will find it inuse and still overwrite it |
| 00:07:43 | amiconn | yup, first freeing it and then reuse |
| 00:08:04 | [IDC]Dragon | then A continues and we have a mess |
| 00:08:44 | amiconn | This really asks for a mutex :-/ |
| 00:10:02 | [IDC]Dragon | and/or a smarter caching strategy |
| 00:10:52 | amiconn | I even doubt a mutex will help much here, if it should not be held for too long |
| 00:11:57 | [IDC]Dragon | like ata :-/ |
| 00:12:37 | amiconn | ? |
| 00:12:55 | [IDC]Dragon | 256 sectors takes a while |
| 00:13:09 | [IDC]Dragon | and we mutex that |
| 00:13:56 | amiconn | yes, meaning that no-one else can use ata in the meantime. This would be impossible anyway. |
| 00:15:08 | [IDC]Dragon | ata_mmc: I think it behaves better now, with the selection in the mutex |
| 00:15:52 | amiconn | No more vanishing root dirs? |
| 00:16:04 | [IDC]Dragon | not yet |
| 00:17:18 | amiconn | Btw: I get my partly vanishing root dir when returning from *any* subdir (including the virtual /<MMC1>) and the mpeg thread is currently reloading |
| 00:17:40 | amiconn | reloading from external, that is |
| 00:17:46 | [IDC]Dragon | let me commit that ata_mmc |
| 00:20:43 | [IDC]Dragon | done |
| 00:27:21 | amiconn | I was also unable to reproduce the vanishing effect so far :-) |
| 00:27:30 | [IDC]Dragon | I didn't manage to break it any more |
| 00:28:05 | [IDC]Dragon | but still, the fat caching needs an overhaul |
| 00:28:13 | [IDC]Dragon | independent from that |
| 00:28:35 | [IDC]Dragon | let's talk to Zagor about it, tomorrow |
| 00:28:52 | amiconn | yes |
| 00:29:10 | [IDC]Dragon | who knows what funny rare effects it may have caused in the past |
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| 00:29:35 | amiconn | You said you tried hot plug already, and there were problems? |
| 00:29:37 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe this is part of a recording problem |
| 00:30:14 | [IDC]Dragon | (hotplug) no, I looked in the code and put it away |
| 00:30:58 | amiconn | Hotplug shouldn't be that hard. It's similar to usb handling |
| 00:31:08 | [IDC]Dragon | because I'm not into these system messages and what to do where with it |
| 00:31:29 | [IDC]Dragon | looked like a Jens' job ;-) |
| 00:31:38 | amiconn | However, this requires your mount function to be able to mount single drives |
| 00:32:08 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, I can split that |
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| 00:32:19 | amiconn | ..and an unmount function as counterpart (most likely simply setting the "mounted" member to false) |
| 00:32:33 | [IDC]Dragon | yes |
| 00:33:15 | [IDC]Dragon | we could try to be nice to open files |
| 00:34:05 | amiconn | How? If the MMC is pulled, it's already too late... |
| 00:34:13 | [IDC]Dragon | like, setting a counter magic in the file struct, which has to match a similar bpb entry |
| 00:34:48 | amiconn | Yes, I also thought about closing all files that are located on a removed volume |
| 00:34:49 | [IDC]Dragon | then we can at least deflect attempts on that file |
| 00:35:11 | [IDC]Dragon | instead of writing somewhere on our new volume |
| 00:35:41 | amiconn | What magic are you talking about? In case of a dismount, simply close all open handles that point to that volume. |
| 00:36:01 | [IDC]Dragon | how doyou know where they are? |
| 00:36:27 | [IDC]Dragon | iirc, the caller owns them, or am I wrong? |
| 00:36:59 | [IDC]Dragon | I think I'm wrong |
| 00:37:00 | amiconn | The file handles are an array of structs, simply walk through all of them |
| 00:37:16 | amiconn | ..and check whether they are inuse, and point to the removed volume |
| 00:37:42 | amiconn | If the caller later tries to access the now closed handle, it gets an error return |
| 00:38:04 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, if they are all in one place, this is easy |
| 00:38:43 | amiconn | firmware/common/file.c, line 51: static struct filedesc openfiles[MAX_OPEN_FILES]; |
| 00:38:57 | [IDC]Dragon | the fat_file structs are distributed (part of dir entries, etc.), but that's one layer below |
| 00:39:40 | amiconn | The fat_file struct of a file is embedded into the filedesc structure |
| 00:40:17 | [IDC]Dragon | same goes for "opendirs" array |
| 00:40:25 | amiconn | yup |
| 00:40:42 | [IDC]Dragon | ok, then I can sleep well now. |
| 00:40:50 | amiconn | Nite |
| 00:41:03 | [IDC]Dragon | nite, too |
| 00:41:06 | amiconn | I think I'll follow, and not work until 3am today |
| 00:41:16 | [IDC]Dragon | :-) |
| 00:41:26 | [IDC]Dragon | or rather |-) |
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| 01:32:13 | Goatmale | Hello. |
| 01:34:45 | Goatmale | Can anyone help me? |
| 01:39:34 | quelsaruk | tell us |
| 01:39:36 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 01:39:46 | quelsaruk | maybe we can help you |
| 01:39:57 | Goatmale | w00t |
| 01:40:27 | Goatmale | I just got my archos for christmas, and it's awesome, mad props to the founders of rockbox. |
| 01:40:37 | Goatmale | But uh, I have a lot of movies. |
| 01:40:49 | Goatmale | And I want to easily convert them. |
| 01:41:02 | quelsaruk | usig windows? |
| 01:41:05 | Goatmale | yep |
| 01:41:37 | quelsaruk | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VideoTutorial |
| 01:41:38 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 01:41:43 | quelsaruk | read that |
| 01:41:45 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 01:42:00 | Goatmale | Yeah the link didn't work though x.x |
| 01:42:16 | Goatmale | For the GUI conversion tool. |
| 01:42:41 | quelsaruk | hmm |
| 01:42:48 | quelsaruk | strange |
| 01:42:56 | Goatmale | Does it work for you? |
| 01:44:20 | quelsaruk | http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/video/DirectShow/ |
| 01:44:25 | quelsaruk | check this then |
| 01:44:36 | quelsaruk | seems to be another way to do it |
| 01:44:42 | quelsaruk | read thereadme there |
| 01:44:50 | quelsaruk | and use the files |
| 01:45:20 | Goatmale | Thank you very much. |
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| 01:47:45 | quelsaruk | you are welcome |
| 01:47:47 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 01:48:17 | Goatmale | Oh and do you use the chip 8 emulator? |
| 01:48:26 | mrelwood | i just got offered an Archos Recorder 20GB, rockbox installed. could it be worth checking out for a MD killer? |
| 01:48:57 | Goatmale | how much? |
| 01:49:26 | mrelwood | i bet it would be dirt cheap. |
| 01:49:47 | Goatmale | I love my rockbox/archos. |
| 01:50:11 | mrelwood | i'm more concerned if it will be a good md-recorder replacement. |
| 01:50:18 | Goatmale | MD? |
| 01:50:23 | mrelwood | minidisc. |
| 01:51:02 | Goatmale | I think the quailty is pretty good... |
| 01:51:19 | Goatmale | But I don't have anything to compare it to |
| 01:51:35 | mrelwood | so it can record in good quality? |
| 01:51:37 | quelsaruk | mmmmhhh |
| 01:51:45 | quelsaruk | archos recorder? |
| 01:52:01 | quelsaruk | can record good quality VBR mp3 |
| 01:52:12 | quelsaruk | via digital, analogic or microphone |
| 01:52:42 | quelsaruk | i prefer a 20GB hd mp3 player than a MD, but is just my opinion |
| 01:52:57 | mrelwood | it has a dedicated mic input?! |
| 01:53:17 | quelsaruk | has a mic built-in |
| 01:53:33 | quelsaruk | and you can use a external mic with the analogic line in |
| 01:54:10 | mrelwood | ok. no wav rec? |
| 01:54:32 | quelsaruk | sincerely, i haven't recorded anything (and got my old recorder6 hm.. 3 or 4 years ago??) |
| 01:54:37 | quelsaruk | no wav recording |
| 01:54:44 | quelsaruk | mp3 recording |
| 01:54:45 | mrelwood | darn |
| 01:55:39 | quelsaruk | Goatmale: no, i don't use the chip8 emulator |
| 01:55:47 | Goatmale | oh... |
| 01:55:55 | Goatmale | Is it like a game emulator? |
| 01:56:37 | quelsaruk | check the manual |
| 01:56:44 | quelsaruk | it's explained there |
| 01:56:46 | Goatmale | It didn't say.. |
| 01:56:58 | Goatmale | Unless i'm stupid |
| 01:58:03 | quelsaruk | well, it's an emulator |
| 01:58:08 | quelsaruk | chip8 emulator plugin |
| 01:58:14 | quelsaruk | that's the official name :D |
| 01:58:59 | quelsaruk | page 56 on the manual :) |
| 01:59:27 | Goatmale | Ohhh okay :) |
| 01:59:29 | Goatmale | gotcha |
| 01:59:49 | mrelwood | recorder 20, only up to 160kbps recording. i'm afraid that doesn't do it for me. |
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| 02:00:18 | Goatmale | You a musican? |
| 02:00:54 | quelsaruk | mrelwood: 170kbps VBR |
| 02:01:08 | mrelwood | yes |
| 02:01:16 | quelsaruk | if i'm not wrong |
| 02:02:30 | mrelwood | that helps some. i have to take it for a test drive. Gmini 220 could be better for me. |
| 02:02:44 | quelsaruk | hmmm |
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| 02:03:46 | quelsaruk | 170kbps is ok for a lot of music styles |
| 02:03:46 | quelsaruk | :D |
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| 02:04:03 | quelsaruk | re _mrelwood |
| 02:04:14 | _mrelwood | whoops... wrong button... |
| 02:05:01 | quelsaruk | _mrelwood: have you ever recorded in wav, and later on compressed the file using for example Lame −−preset standard to check the VBR bitrate of your music? |
| 02:05:33 | quelsaruk | i mean, some music styles doesn't need a 220kbps vbr mp3 to be *perfect* |
| 02:06:10 | _mrelwood | yes, i have done several quality tests. but I am going to do some recording for post-production, and the quality has to be good. |
| 02:06:25 | quelsaruk | hmm |
| 02:06:28 | quelsaruk | that's another thing |
| 02:06:29 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 02:06:41 | _mrelwood | for example, recording a drumset and bringing the track home for editing. |
| 02:06:51 | quelsaruk | then maybe you prefer a wav recorder |
| 02:07:18 | _mrelwood | yes. :) does any of the archos recorders support wav recording? |
| 02:07:23 | quelsaruk | no |
| 02:07:30 | quelsaruk | that can't be |
| 02:07:44 | quelsaruk | well.. not jukebox recorders |
| 02:08:04 | quelsaruk | i don't know if gmini or other ones support wav recording |
| 02:08:05 | _mrelwood | recorder v2, fm recorder, still no wav? |
| 02:08:09 | quelsaruk | no |
| 02:08:31 | _mrelwood | I understood that gmini220 has wav recording. not sure though. |
| 02:09:02 | Goatmale | isn't there an mp3 recorder> |
| 02:09:09 | Goatmale | called lame? |
| 02:09:12 | _mrelwood | if only the iRiver didn't have the recording glitch, it would be SO easy to choose! |
| 02:09:35 | _mrelwood | goatmale: a portable mp3 recorder? |
| 02:09:38 | quelsaruk | recorder? |
| 02:10:25 | quelsaruk | lame is an mp3 encoder |
| 02:10:33 | Goatmale | ohh |
| 02:11:12 | _mrelwood | that's what i thought. i'll test the rec20 tomorrow anyway. thanks for the help! |
| 02:11:40 | quelsaruk | if you don't like it.. there are more mp3 players over there |
| 02:11:43 | quelsaruk | check them |
| 02:11:44 | quelsaruk | :D |
| 02:12:19 | _mrelwood | well, don't need a player, need a recorder! ;) thanks. |
| 02:12:25 | quelsaruk | hehe |
| 02:12:29 | quelsaruk | ok, mp3 recorders |
| 02:14:18 | quelsaruk | time to go to sleep |
| 02:14:19 | _mrelwood | well, there aren't that many. i'm starting to feel that I've gone through them all a few times. |
| 02:14:21 | quelsaruk | cu l8r! |
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| 02:14:29 | _mrelwood | :) |
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| 02:16:18 | Goatmale | hum.. |
| 02:16:38 | Goatmale | Is there anything i'm missing to get the most out of my rockbox? |
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| 08:57:57 | Zagor | howdy linus |
| 08:58:27 | LinusN | hola |
| 08:58:34 | dwihno | Bueno! |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:32 | dwihno | Do you think the irivers with radio models are "airplane safe"? |
| 09:00:47 | dwihno | And my english is really, really great today, btw! :) |
| 09:01:19 | Zagor | i never really understood the criteria for what devices airlines prohibit. some won't even allow cd players. |
| 09:01:29 | dwihno | they don't? |
| 09:03:30 | LinusN | dwihno: generally, devices with radio transmitters are prohibited |
| 09:05:29 | dwihno | that's true |
| 09:06:02 | dwihno | Sounds like a leftover rule from the 80's |
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| 09:07:01 | lImbus | moin |
| 09:09:16 | LinusN | morning lImbus |
| 09:09:34 | lImbus | yeh |
| 09:10:47 | dwihno | is the "UMS" (what does that stand for?) iriver firmwares mass storage compliant? |
| 09:11:21 | Zagor | what is that? link? |
| 09:11:54 | lImbus | dwihno, isn't that USB Mass Storage ? |
| 09:12:29 | dwihno | Zagor: just surfing the iriver firmware pages... I'm gonna get a flash based player for my bike rides... It's too cold for my poor archos |
| 09:12:43 | dwihno | lImbus: aah, well, it must be! :) |
| 09:13:32 | lImbus | it just sounds fit and proper. |
| 09:14:07 | Zagor | is there "non-UMS" firmwares for those players as well? |
| 09:14:40 | dwihno | dunno... haven't checked that much |
| 09:15:12 | dwihno | http://www.thegame.se/catalog.php?prodid=1347 - heh, guess somebody needs to adjust their prices to a sane market level |
| 09:15:33 | lImbus | isn't there a drm-stuff ? isn't there a us-firmware that only transfers files through a special software ? |
| 09:15:51 | lImbus | eu-software would then be ums though |
| 09:16:42 | lImbus | uh, I like swedish. it just looks funnay :D |
| 09:18:18 | dwihno | Then you should hear the rumpnissars |
| 09:18:21 | dwihno | voffooo dååå |
| 09:18:29 | dwihno | voffo gö di på detta viset |
| 09:18:32 | dwihno | \o/ |
| 09:19:00 | lImbus | yay |
| 09:21:14 | dwihno | IFP-799 looks pretty sweet |
| 09:21:28 | dwihno | How soon can I expect a rockbox port? ;) |
| 09:21:30 | dwihno | j/k |
| 09:21:35 | Zagor | :) |
| 09:21:46 | lImbus | why are you fixed on a iRiver-device ? |
| 09:21:57 | lImbus | why not any cheapo ? |
| 09:22:06 | dwihno | It is quite cheap |
| 09:22:49 | lImbus | ah, ok, I thought it was more expensive than comparable no names, considering your comment at 09:15. |
| 09:22:57 | lImbus | I did not calculate the conversion, of course |
| 09:23:04 | dwihno | 2800 SEK (approx 310 euro) |
| 09:23:09 | lImbus | uhhh |
| 09:23:25 | dwihno | That's quite an alright price for a gig of flash |
| 09:25:46 | lImbus | ok, the size is busting it all. I see 256 MB-cheapos for about 60-90 euro |
| 09:26:03 | lImbus | no drm, no wma, no ogg I suppose |
| 09:26:35 | lImbus | why no ondio :D ? |
| 09:27:14 | dwihno | add a set of fontopia phones, and you got a nice set for biking and training |
| 09:27:18 | dwihno | it's too bulky |
| 09:27:42 | dwihno | a set of 3 aaa batts makes it a bit heavy |
| 09:27:57 | lImbus | kk |
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| 10:08:17 | [IDC]Dragon | 'morning! |
| 10:09:28 | Zagor | hi |
| 10:09:40 | crash_ | ah zagor |
| 10:09:46 | crash_ | i have a question for you |
| 10:10:16 | [IDC]Dragon | me too |
| 10:11:29 | [IDC]Dragon | (multivolume now works, but we still see a danger in the fat caching code) |
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| 10:15:39 | LinusN | saw the logs |
| 10:16:12 | LinusN | where exactly is the fat cache danger? |
| 10:17:46 | crash_ | Zagor: who is responsible for the wiki ? |
| 10:17:55 | LinusN | we all are |
| 10:18:05 | crash_ | hmm ok, i know its a wiki |
| 10:18:39 | crash_ | i ask, cause i read on the mailinglist or irc, dont remember that too technical stuff shouldnt be put into the wiki |
| 10:18:59 | LinusN | "too technical"? |
| 10:19:01 | crash_ | i thought it would be a quite good idea to put progress on gmini online |
| 10:19:24 | LinusN | the iriver progress is in the wiki, so i think the gmini progress could be there as well |
| 10:19:38 | crash_ | yesterday a friend of mine showed me his gmini, and i thought, that there is a rockbox version for it |
| 10:19:46 | crash_ | went for rockbox.org and found nothing |
| 10:20:00 | LinusN | in fact, most technical documentation is in the wiki |
| 10:20:20 | crash_ | later that day i talked to yup who told me that it works but information is in a separat wiki |
| 10:20:32 | crash_ | which makes no sense in my opinion |
| 10:21:07 | crash_ | yeah i see your postings about the iriver ( and hope you will get closer to the boot loader ;)) |
| 10:21:23 | crash_ | you know the wiki about the gmini ? |
| 10:21:37 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: i think i see the fat cache problem |
| 10:21:55 | LinusN | no, i don't know about a gmini wiki |
| 10:24:27 | Zagor | there is a wiki about gmemu here: http://www.donat.org/archos/wiki/doku.php |
| 10:25:22 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN, Zagor: I came to some conclusions on how to mutex the fat cache: |
| 10:26:06 | [IDC]Dragon | cache_fat_sector() should get dirty flag param, too, to tell read from write |
| 10:26:53 | [IDC]Dragon | for reading, it's sufficient to set the mutex before changing an entry to used doing the ata read, releasing it afterwards |
| 10:27:00 | crash_ | LinusN: i meant the wiki Zagor posted |
| 10:27:08 | LinusN | crash_: ok |
| 10:27:43 | [IDC]Dragon | the functions using it are not task switching any after, until they finish their job |
| 10:27:58 | [IDC]Dragon | writing is different |
| 10:28:52 | [IDC]Dragon | sorry, it isn't |
| 10:29:10 | LinusN | i see a problem even when not writing |
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| 10:29:40 | crash_ | LinusN: so do you think this information can be put into the offical wiki? |
| 10:29:45 | LinusN | it is possible to cache the wrong sector |
| 10:29:47 | [IDC]Dragon | imho, we only need to make cache_fat_sector() atomic |
| 10:30:03 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: yes |
| 10:30:45 | LinusN | a simple mutex in cache_fat_sector() should do the trick |
| 10:31:00 | [IDC]Dragon | yes |
| 10:31:33 | LinusN | we could optimize it a bit with some clever code, but i think the performance is sufficient anyway |
| 10:32:06 | [IDC]Dragon | I wonder why this caused so little trouble |
| 10:32:21 | LinusN | crash_: www.donat.org is not responding here... |
| 10:32:36 | Zagor | because we only very rarely access files from two threads simulatenously |
| 10:32:47 | [IDC]Dragon | or, what sporadic problems we can blame it for |
| 10:32:51 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: the probability of a cache collision is faily small, i guess |
| 10:33:24 | [IDC]Dragon | play and record is prone for it |
| 10:33:53 | LinusN | recording is a one-thread thing |
| 10:34:24 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, it is? then playback only |
| 10:34:29 | LinusN | playback is another issue, where there is a really tiny chance of a fat cache collision when upodating the playlist control file |
| 10:34:37 | Zagor | playback while browsing directories |
| 10:35:23 | LinusN | ah, that too |
| 10:35:48 | [IDC]Dragon | any foreground activity with the disk |
| 10:36:06 | LinusN | still, you have to have some real bad luck to hit it |
| 10:36:22 | [IDC]Dragon | so this isn't the recording bug :-( |
| 10:38:13 | crash_ | LinusN: strange, the same problem was there yesterday, i have no problems accessing the site |
| 10:38:22 | LinusN | hmmm, there is a slight risk in the recording code too! |
| 10:38:24 | crash_ | another reason to put this on rockbox.org |
| 10:39:26 | LinusN | the file name generation on the Ondio opens the directory to generate the file names |
| 10:43:42 | [IDC]Dragon | away now |
| 10:44:15 | Zagor | LinusN: who else accesses the file system when it does that? |
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| 10:58:03 | crash_ | so LinusN what do you think about the wiki? |
| 10:58:50 | Zagor | crash_: we welcome all information and all people, but it's ultimately up to the authors |
| 10:59:31 | crash_ | ok, so i will talk to yup again and transfer the data from the gmini wiki to rockbox.org if its ok for strath who was starter of gmini project |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:17 | Zagor | ok. just be careful to not step on any toes. |
| 11:00:41 | crash_ | yeah thats why i wanted to ask you today :) |
| 11:00:59 | crash_ | and yup also wants to have "permission" of strath |
| 11:01:26 | crash_ | he complained that there is much progress in gmini port, but it doenst show up in rockbox.org |
| 11:02:12 | Bagder | I wonder if the time will come when we start a rockbox-dev mailing list |
| 11:02:38 | Zagor | well, do they want it to? if so, they are very welcome to join both the channel, mailing list, wiki and and (eventually) cvs |
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| 11:02:54 | Quel|away | good morning |
| 11:03:07 | Bagder | Quel|away: did you reach Archos? |
| 11:03:15 | Quel|away | yes |
| 11:03:27 | Bagder | getting a replacement? |
| 11:03:36 | Quel|away | they told me to send them the box |
| 11:03:38 | Quel|away | :) |
| 11:03:44 | Quel|away | they pay shipment |
| 11:03:45 | Bagder | fair enough |
| 11:03:50 | Quel|away | yes |
| 11:04:20 | Quel|away | i hope they don't start now with "we received the box after warranty expired" or something like that |
| 11:04:30 | Bagder | crash_: if they are serious about their rockbox port, they should join the mailing list and this irc channel really |
| 11:04:40 | Bagder | it'll benefit all of us |
| 11:04:45 | crash_ | ähm strath is on mailing list |
| 11:04:50 | crash_ | yup is often in channel here |
| 11:04:50 | Bagder | ok |
| 11:05:01 | Quel|away | even if archos has 1 year warranty, seagate hdd for external cases have 2 year warranty.. so it's covered by archos or seagate :/ |
| 11:05:43 | Zagor | crash_: ok. what I mean is that I don't see a strong reason to separate gmini work from the rest, unless those working on it prefers it that way |
| 11:06:11 | LinusN | Zagor: recording.c reads the current dir to find out the next file number while mpeg.c writes to the current file |
| 11:06:41 | Zagor | LinusN: why do we need to check the disk for next number? isn't it just incremented from previous? |
| 11:07:10 | crash_ | if you have a look on the gmini wiki, it seems rather good developed |
| 11:07:18 | crash_ | Zagor: i dont want it to separte |
| 11:07:30 | crash_ | that why i want to put it into the official wiki |
| 11:07:33 | LinusN | it is a "robust" implementation that doesn't fail if there are old filexxxx.mp3 files in that dir |
| 11:08:00 | crash_ | but i also have the impression that they arent really "integrated" thats something i want to talk about with yup / strath |
| 11:08:10 | Zagor | LinusN: right, instead it confuses the heck out of the user :) but i agree it's the better way. |
| 11:08:12 | LinusN | you can argue that it only needs to be done when starting the recording, but this method is fairly KISS |
| 11:08:59 | LinusN | so i guess we all agree that we should add a mutex to the fat cache |
| 11:09:10 | Zagor | yes |
| 11:10:28 | Bagder | crash_: yes, we should work on getting more integrated |
| 11:10:44 | Bagder | one large happy rockbox family |
| 11:12:16 | crash_ | ok i will talk to them, and start porting the wiki to rockbox, if they dont have a special reason to wanting it stay where it is :) |
| 11:13:38 | Zagor | i agree. i just want to stress that not everyone necessarily wants to be part of our family, and we must be careful not to appear to try and force their hands. their enthusiasm is the top priority. |
| 11:14:12 | Bagder | I agree with that |
| 11:14:35 | crash_ | Zagor: right, but i think rockbox and THEY only can profit from putting it together |
| 11:14:50 | crash_ | and i dont really think that strath wanted it to be separted |
| 11:15:14 | Zagor | that sounds good |
| 11:15:21 | crash_ | i just think they code for fun, and dont want to stress with making things public |
| 11:15:39 | crash_ | maybe someone doing documentation will help them |
| 11:15:44 | crash_ | this is what i wanna do |
| 11:15:56 | crash_ | dont think my c coding would really help ;) |
| 11:25:05 | Bagder | I wonder why he enlarged the rockbox logo that ugly on the donat.org page |
| 11:26:05 | crash_ | maybe he likes it so much ;) |
| 11:26:29 | Zagor | i guess he wanted all logos the same width or something |
| 11:26:52 | Zagor | lunch |
| 11:26:57 | LinusN | indeed |
| 11:28:06 | Bagder | well, he could've resized down a bigger logo, instead of zoomed a smaller |
| 11:28:39 | Bagder | not that it matters much |
| 11:29:18 | * | Bagder gets restless waiting for the iRiver boot loader... :-) |
| 11:30:00 | * | crash_ too |
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| 11:39:52 | lImbus | re |
| 11:41:08 | crash_ | LinusN: do you have an idea, when you'll finish it? :) |
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| 12:10:19 | gromit` | crash i think there is no pb porting the wiki |
| 12:11:15 | gromit` | maybe i'm wrong but it seems we did it separately because at the beginning the rockbox team didn't want the gmini to be part of it |
| 12:11:40 | crash_ | oh thats a news ;) |
| 12:11:54 | gromit` | that's what i found in the irc archive |
| 12:12:02 | gromit` | but maybe my interpretation is bad :) |
| 12:12:13 | crash_ | Bagder: you know if there was a discussion in this direction ? |
| 12:12:17 | crash_ | ;) |
| 12:12:41 | crash_ | so then i can start porting it |
| 12:12:44 | gromit` | according to rockbox the gmini was open enough not to need a rockbox port |
| 12:13:02 | crash_ | but you ported rockbox? |
| 12:13:03 | gromit` | cause archos had announced plugins... |
| 12:13:29 | crash_ | are there binaries to download for the enduser ? |
| 12:13:34 | gromit` | jyp started this and i'm joining him |
| 12:13:49 | gromit` | yes but the public cvs is down |
| 12:13:58 | gromit` | on strath's server |
| 12:14:15 | gromit` | we got a new cvs up yesterday but it is on my machine :) |
| 12:14:20 | crash_ | so currently no download available |
| 12:14:35 | gromit` | and i just provide a ssh access |
| 12:14:44 | gromit` | i can send you a tar maybe |
| 12:14:57 | crash_ | i dont have a gmini myself |
| 12:15:06 | gromit` | you have an emulator |
| 12:15:11 | crash_ | how does flashing on gmini work |
| 12:15:29 | gromit` | ? |
| 12:15:35 | crash_ | i should have installed it long time ago ;) |
| 12:15:50 | gromit` | (btw i am at work i can't spend too much time on irc :)) |
| 12:16:02 | crash_ | i dont know anything about the gmini and if it works the same way other archos devices work |
| 12:16:07 | crash_ | so i just asked ;) |
| 12:16:12 | crash_ | np |
| 12:16:29 | gromit` | do you want to know about the flashing internals |
| 12:16:34 | crash_ | i'm at work too, but here irc is just another communicating method ;) |
| 12:16:36 | gromit` | or just how do we flash ? |
| 12:16:48 | crash_ | i want to know how gmini can use rockbox |
| 12:17:13 | crash_ | do i have to flash or is it just like putting a file on hdd as in player/recorders models? |
| 12:17:22 | crash_ | this is what i know from my player |
| 12:18:08 | gromit` | jyp has managed to pack a file to put on the hd |
| 12:18:15 | crash_ | great |
| 12:18:18 | gromit` | ya |
| 12:18:30 | crash_ | so i can give your tar file a friend of mine and he can test :) |
| 12:18:40 | crash_ | you re working in linux or w32 ? |
| 12:18:44 | gromit` | linux |
| 12:18:48 | crash_ | asking because auf the emulator |
| 12:18:51 | gromit` | but it is w32 compatible |
| 12:18:58 | crash_ | hard to setup under linux ? |
| 12:19:13 | gromit` | if you want gcc cross compiler |
| 12:19:16 | gromit` | it may take some time |
| 12:19:18 | crash_ | maybe i should have a look into the wiki to set it up ;) |
| 12:19:31 | gromit` | we are working on it |
| 12:19:39 | crash_ | at the moment i dont need the compiler cause i dont really have c skills :/ |
| 12:19:46 | gromit` | but if you only want the emulator |
| 12:19:51 | gromit` | is it straightforward |
| 12:19:52 | crash_ | just the emu |
| 12:20:09 | gromit` | text based emu is c++ |
| 12:20:14 | gromit` | gui is qt |
| 12:20:14 | crash_ | so is there a simple webpage? |
| 12:20:18 | crash_ | ah :) |
| 12:20:20 | gromit` | so both must be w32 compatible |
| 12:20:47 | gromit` | www.donat.org/archos/wiki is the wiki |
| 12:20:54 | gromit` | www.donat.org/archos/ is the webpage |
| 12:21:00 | gromit` | www.donat.org/bboard is the forum |
| 12:21:22 | gromit` | all our recent work has been done on the wiki |
| 12:21:34 | crash_ | how many people are working on the gmini ? |
| 12:21:58 | gromit` | strath jyp and i |
| 12:22:05 | crash_ | cause there shouldnt be 2 wikis |
| 12:22:08 | gromit` | treyqae help us and disappeared |
| 12:22:19 | crash_ | ah, sometimes this happens |
| 12:22:19 | gromit` | and udo also helps us |
| 12:22:35 | crash_ | u know if/when strath will return ? |
| 12:22:42 | gromit` | that's our problem |
| 12:22:44 | gromit` | we dunno |
| 12:22:55 | gromit` | he disappeared suddenly |
| 12:24:55 | gromit` | the best is to discuss about it this evening |
| 12:25:01 | gromit` | when jyp is present |
| 12:25:08 | gromit` | and i'm not at work |
| 12:25:15 | crash_ | so the question stays the same. i think porting the wiki only makes sense, when u, developing rockbox for gmini will use rockbox wiki |
| 12:25:19 | crash_ | yeah ok |
| 12:25:23 | crash_ | makes sense :) |
| 12:25:48 | gromit` | i see no problem is using rockbox wiki |
| 12:25:50 | gromit` | in |
| 12:26:01 | gromit` | our pb is also to find a cvs |
| 12:26:10 | gromit` | to put public stuff |
| 12:26:24 | crash_ | pb? |
| 12:27:19 | crash_ | the wiki question is only about strath, cause he started it and just making things he maybe doesnt want isnt really nice |
| 12:28:05 | gromit` | jyp i and started the wiki |
| 12:28:11 | gromit` | jyp and i |
| 12:28:12 | crash_ | ah ok |
| 12:28:27 | gromit` | pb = problem |
| 12:28:56 | gromit` | going to eat |
| 12:28:58 | gromit` | brb |
| 12:29:21 | crash_ | i would start porting the wiki to rockbox this evening when yup you and i have discussed all important sutff |
| 12:29:36 | crash_ | with cvs we could ask Bagder or LinusN maybe |
| 12:29:37 | *** | No seen item changed, no save performed. |
| 12:35:01 | lImbus | [IDC]Dragon: I just flashed a co-workers OndioSP. rb-version 2.4 with the wiki-flash-download-package. |
| 12:35:08 | lImbus | I followed all instructions, all went fine |
| 12:35:13 | lImbus | one single problem: |
| 12:35:27 | lImbus | Resuming does not work but on On+F1... |
| 12:44:07 | lImbus | mhmm. I flashed with rombox... |
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| 12:54:49 | lImbus | mhmm. It does not resume when I flash rockbox.ucl neither |
| 13:00 |
| 13:03:02 | [IDC]Dragon | lImbus: no flash issue then... |
| 13:06:32 | lImbus | mhkay |
| 13:06:46 | lImbus | why not ? |
| 13:07:09 | lImbus | it works not with rombox and rockbox flashed, but with On+F1 then ajbrec.ajz |
| 13:07:14 | lImbus | ->lunch, damned |
| 13:09:39 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, got it |
| 13:10:24 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: what's the problem with the recording file # ? |
| 13:10:57 | LinusN | it is a possible cause for fat cache collisions |
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| 13:11:15 | LinusN | fat accesses from two threads |
| 13:11:23 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, ok, but fixed by the mutex, too |
| 13:11:26 | LinusN | yes |
| 13:11:55 | LinusN | gromit`: we have never rejected a gmini port of rockbox |
| 13:12:19 | LinusN | the reason we never worked on it was lack of documentation and tools |
| 13:12:39 | LinusN | and that none of the core developers had one, thus we had no personal interest in it |
| 13:14:37 | [IDC]Dragon | none of the "core developers" has an Ondio, neither |
| 13:15:29 | [IDC]Dragon | but we forced a port ;-) |
| 13:17:20 | Zagor | you are a core developer, jörg |
| 13:17:31 | [IDC]Dragon | I am? |
| 13:17:33 | LinusN | i consider you and jens core developers |
| 13:17:42 | [IDC]Dragon | assimilated |
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| 13:17:46 | Zagor | hehe |
| 13:18:05 | * | [IDC]Dragon looks for his swedish passport |
| 13:18:16 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:19:07 | [IDC]Dragon | hmm, my girlfriend is blonde |
| 13:19:38 | Zagor | gromit`: cvs is no problem, we can host it on rockbox.org if you want a test/development repository. a gmini branch in the main repository is another option. |
| 13:26:49 | Zagor | it's very unfortunate if you have gotten the impression that we are not interested in a gmini port. |
| 13:31:33 | LinusN | basically, we were just not interested in doing it ourselves |
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| 13:41:55 | crash_ | hehe linus |
| 13:42:14 | crash_ | gromit`: could you send me an tar file with an binary we can try on the gmini |
| 13:42:28 | crash_ | my friend is here @ work and we would like to test it :) |
| 13:42:32 | crash_ | crash@blab.la |
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| 13:52:42 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm firewalled, can somebody with cvs check out ffmpeg for me? |
| 13:52:59 | [IDC]Dragon | cvs -z9 -d:pserver:anonymous@mplayerhq.hu:/cvsroot/ffmpeg co ffmpeg |
| 13:55:40 | Zagor | http://bjorn.haxx.se/ffmpeg/ |
| 13:55:52 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, many thanks |
| 13:55:52 | Zagor | or do you want a zip |
| 13:56:04 | LinusN | http://linus.haxx.se/ffmpeg.zip |
| 13:56:08 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:56:10 | Zagor | hehe |
| 13:56:16 | [IDC]Dragon | zip is much better |
| 13:56:19 | Zagor | i'll remove mine then |
| 13:56:47 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: you should consider setting up a tunnel |
| 13:57:08 | [IDC]Dragon | else I'll need your - what's it called - wget replacement |
| 13:57:29 | Zagor | curl |
| 13:57:38 | [IDC]Dragon | tunnel will get me in company jail or so |
| 13:59:44 | [IDC]Dragon | snapped it, thanks |
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| 14:01:38 | jyp | crash |
| 14:01:39 | jyp | ? |
| 14:04:55 | jyp | I wrote a howto for running code on the gmini... Then I can provide you with binary files |
| 14:05:26 | jyp | Also I have the rockbock lcd driver working on my gmini |
| 14:05:54 | jyp | fully functional except for the scroll thread (no multitask yet) |
| 14:07:29 | crash_ | ah |
| 14:08:10 | jyp | The howto is on the wiki... |
| 14:09:03 | jyp | I still can't access the site :/ |
| 14:10:16 | Zagor | jyp: nice! |
| 14:11:11 | jyp | I wrote a little program that checks the keypad status... |
| 14:11:25 | jyp | I'm ready to do the keypad driver |
| 14:11:50 | jyp | But then I've got to setup timer interrupts etc. |
| 14:12:18 | jyp | that is port the kernel... |
| 14:13:05 | jyp | Maybe someone has an idea on how to do this incrementally ? |
| 14:15:06 | Zagor | what debugging facility do you have? |
| 14:15:14 | jyp | none :( |
| 14:15:21 | Zagor | ow |
| 14:15:26 | jyp | Well we have an emulator* |
| 14:15:44 | jyp | that runs Archos firmware |
| 14:15:52 | jyp | out of the box |
| 14:15:56 | Zagor | ah right. is it complete enough to run your code too? |
| 14:16:01 | jyp | yes |
| 14:16:18 | Zagor | that's very nice |
| 14:16:42 | [IDC]Dragon | impressive, what hardware does it emulate? |
| 14:16:44 | crash_ | so can you send me a binary to test with :) |
| 14:16:55 | jyp | everything but dsp & sound |
| 14:16:56 | crash_ | wanna show my pal rockbox ;) |
| 14:17:21 | jyp | crash_, did you find the howto I was talking about ? |
| 14:18:08 | crash_ | sorry didnt have a look till now |
| 14:18:09 | jyp | crash_, what gmini model do you have? |
| 14:18:09 | [IDC]Dragon | would it be feasible to give that emulator a "standard" debug interface? |
| 14:18:24 | crash_ | gmini xs 220 |
| 14:18:32 | crash_ | but it's not mine |
| 14:20:11 | jyp | crash_, you need to read & understand the howto; you need to setup a hook in the archos firmware |
| 14:20:35 | jyp | also, the LCD driver I have is for gmini 120 & SP... It'll probably crash the XS |
| 14:21:04 | jyp | [IDC]Dragon, we have a debug interface in the emulator already |
| 14:21:05 | crash_ | hmm thats bad :/ |
| 14:21:22 | [IDC]Dragon | excellent |
| 14:25:49 | Zagor | does the xs even use the same cpu? |
| 14:25:55 | jyp | yes |
| 14:25:58 | Zagor | ok |
| 14:26:08 | jyp | besides LCD, it runs ok in our emulator |
| 14:26:12 | [IDC]Dragon | it's a "shrink" |
| 14:26:27 | Zagor | ah right, i was thinking of the 400 |
| 14:27:28 | LinusN | porting the rockbox kernel shouldn't be too hard |
| 14:27:53 | jyp | I'll give it a try then |
| 14:29:41 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 14:31:28 | LinusN | it didn't take me long to port it to the coldfire |
| 14:31:53 | LinusN | (the task switch is only 1 instruction) :-) |
| 14:32:03 | jyp | ;) |
| 14:32:11 | LinusN | m68k rulez :-) |
| 14:35:23 | crash_ | LinusN: someone posted a screenshot showing your iriver with dir listing |
| 14:35:35 | crash_ | dont find this anymore, could you tell me where it is ? :) |
| 14:36:18 | LinusN | http://bjorn.haxx.se/iriver_display.jpg |
| 14:37:43 | crash_ | have found it, misticriver wokred ;) |
| 14:37:47 | crash_ | thx though |
| 14:39:24 | dwihno | It's a shame you have to install the iriver manager software to do a firmware upgrade :( |
| 14:40:07 | crash_ | hm? |
| 14:40:32 | crash_ | you can just put a new firmware file on the hdd and go into the menu and upgrade firmware |
| 14:41:39 | dwihno | crash: I just got an ifp-799, shipped with the 1.24 firmware |
| 14:42:00 | dwihno | so to get usb mass storage capability, you have to upgrade the firmware using the iriver software |
| 14:42:17 | crash_ | sorry i have a h320 |
| 14:42:26 | crash_ | so they seem to differ :/ |
| 14:42:28 | Zagor | dwihno: well it's for a good cause :) |
| 14:42:38 | dwihno | Too bad my USB2 card is at home... filling it using usb1 is slow |
| 14:42:41 | dwihno | Zagor: true, true :) |
| 14:43:55 | gromit` | re |
| 14:43:59 | gromit` | 13:25 < Zagor> +it's very unfortunate if you have gotten the impression that we are not interested in a gmini port. |
| 14:44:21 | gromit` | i thought this was due to archos threats |
| 14:44:32 | gromit` | and since archos wanted to publish plugins |
| 14:44:41 | dwihno | they have threatened the project? |
| 14:44:46 | gromit` | a rockbox wasn't such a necessity |
| 14:44:46 | Zagor | no, we never took those threats seriously. that was the avos guys. |
| 14:45:07 | gromit` | rockbox also ? |
| 14:45:10 | Zagor | (and we have never recieved any threats either) |
| 14:45:10 | gromit` | atthe beginning |
| 14:45:22 | gromit` | when to publish the format of their update |
| 14:45:24 | gromit` | ? |
| 14:45:28 | gromit` | i may be wrong |
| 14:45:41 | gromit` | that's what i've understood from the irc logs |
| 14:45:49 | Zagor | archos has never pressured us in any way. they have rather ignored us. |
| 14:46:05 | gromit` | when i was looking after a gmini OS fw |
| 14:46:53 | Zagor | i suppose you don't remember a rough date/month when that might have been? |
| 14:47:02 | gromit` | no |
| 14:47:12 | gromit` | i search for it late june |
| 14:47:15 | gromit` | +ed |
| 14:47:27 | gromit` | but the archive may be quite older |
| 14:48:09 | dwihno | Zagor: avos got threats? |
| 14:48:24 | Zagor | yeah we've archived irc since 2002-03 :) |
| 14:48:41 | crash_ | so it seems there is no problem integrating the gmini port into rockbox.org :) |
| 14:48:49 | dwihno | It has already been that long? man; I need to start thinking of raising a family ;D |
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| 14:49:15 | Zagor | dwihno: that's what he said. i never got to see it myself, although i don't really have any reason to doubt him |
| 14:50:12 | gromit` | 10.30.22 # <Bagder> many of us thinks Archos doesn't deserve rockbox |
| 14:50:12 | gromit` | 10.30.34 # <Bagder> so we won't go for another archos player |
| 14:50:12 | gromit` | 10.30.39 # <floof> why ? archos is kick ass !!! |
| 14:50:12 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK gromit` |
| 14:50:12 | gromit` | 10.30.53 # <floof> well, my gmini at least |
| 14:50:12 | gromit` | 10.30.53 # <Bagder> if it kicks ass, why do you want Rockbox for it? |
| 14:50:31 | gromit` | and many things like this.... |
| 14:50:37 | gromit` | i just can't find them |
| 14:50:38 | Bagder | I still think so |
| 14:50:47 | Bagder | but we don't reject any ports becasue of that |
| 14:51:04 | Zagor | right, that is why we focus on the iriver instead. but it doesn't mean we reject a port if someone wants to do it. |
| 14:51:58 | gromit` | ya |
| 14:52:32 | Bagder | and with the iriver work, we are better prepared for such a port |
| 14:52:34 | Zagor | i can see how one can read our words like that, but it was not our intention anyway |
| 14:52:56 | gromit` | hmm |
| 14:53:01 | gromit` | i was on #rockbox in june |
| 14:53:20 | gromit` | and i think i was told that since archos provided plugins |
| 14:53:29 | gromit` | there would be no rockbox port |
| 14:53:34 | Bagder | ? |
| 14:53:39 | Bagder | weird reason |
| 14:53:52 | gromit` | ya |
| 14:54:06 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe some tourist said so |
| 14:54:12 | gromit` | sorry for the misunderstanding so :) |
| 14:54:25 | Bagder | a word of advice: stop assuming things from stuff you read here :-) |
| 14:54:35 | gromit` | ya |
| 14:54:47 | gromit` | now i know who runs the stuff |
| 14:54:52 | gromit` | so it's okay |
| 14:55:51 | jyp | alright ;) |
| 14:55:58 | crash_ | gromit`: i've read the howto |
| 14:56:15 | crash_ | seems to be no problem, but i dont think we can get this done here at work ;) |
| 14:56:23 | jyp | heh ;) |
| 14:57:04 | jyp | Anyways first we need information on the 220 lcd |
| 14:57:15 | gromit` | ya |
| 14:57:42 | crash_ | how can i help ? |
| 14:57:43 | Zagor | using the simulator you should be able to grab the code sequences and use those to match against data sheets |
| 14:58:16 | gromit` | i'll start having a look |
| 14:58:32 | gromit` | but i will be quite occupied until jan, the 24th |
| 14:58:40 | crash_ | and i'll start this evening copying your wiki to rockbox |
| 14:59:11 | jyp | ok; that will solve my problem to access it |
| 14:59:18 | crash_ | yep |
| 14:59:20 | jyp | thanks ;) |
| 14:59:23 | crash_ | np |
| 14:59:29 | Zagor | who is hosting donat.org? |
| 14:59:35 | Zagor | strath? |
| 14:59:39 | jyp | yup |
| 14:59:39 | crash_ | i'm glad i can do something for rockbox |
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| 15:00:01 | Zagor | have you discussed moving the wiki with him yet? |
| 15:00:17 | gromit` | no news about him since dec 20 |
| 15:00:21 | gromit` | :// |
| 15:00:32 | crash_ | but gromit` zagor is right |
| 15:00:41 | Zagor | maybe i'm being too cautious, but we've had people feeling stepped on by us before and i'd like to avoid that as far as possible |
| 15:00:50 | gromit` | i know :) |
| 15:00:57 | gromit` | and i understand |
| 15:00:59 | crash_ | i think we should at least wait till "normal" vacation time is over |
| 15:01:06 | gromit` | maybe we can wait a few days |
| 15:01:09 | crash_ | maybe i can start copying to rockbox |
| 15:01:10 | gromit` | and see if strath is back |
| 15:01:17 | Zagor | sounds like a good idea |
| 15:01:41 | crash_ | so there would be a copy and peaople only knowing of rockbox see that there is gmini port |
| 15:01:49 | jyp | Anyways, the reason is purely technical |
| 15:02:03 | gromit` | i think the aim is to have an OS fw and a public explanation of the stuff |
| 15:02:07 | jyp | the main developpers can't access his site |
| 15:02:09 | gromit` | no matter how and by whom it is done |
| 15:02:10 | crash_ | yep |
| 15:02:26 | jyp | That's extremely annoying for CVS |
| 15:02:35 | crash_ | but i think the main site for archos oss fw is rockbox, am i wrong ? |
| 15:02:43 | gromit` | ya |
| 15:02:53 | gromit` | it is the first i found |
| 15:02:58 | gromit` | when i was looking for gmini oss fw |
| 15:03:00 | crash_ | same here |
| 15:18:27 | Bagder | so is there an "official" decision to work on getting rockbox ported to the gmini? |
| 15:18:41 | Bagder | if so, it would be cool to mention that on the mailing list |
| 15:18:59 | Zagor | who is working on the gmini btw, is it you gromit and jyp or are there more active people? |
| 15:19:15 | jyp | it is us |
| 15:19:40 | jyp | still hoping for strath return though |
| 15:19:56 | crash_ | jyp, gromit` as far as i understand it isnt official since strath ghast started it right? |
| 15:20:44 | jyp | What is official anyways? |
| 15:21:04 | Bagder | only that some gmini guys with clues want to do it |
| 15:21:31 | Bagder | I mean, I can't say it'll happen because I won |
| 15:21:35 | Bagder | 't make it happen myself |
| 15:22:47 | gromit` | hmm |
| 15:23:04 | gromit` | my idea is that the way we do it doesn"t matter |
| 15:23:12 | crash_ | so then it is official cause at least 2 people are working at it actively and are now more motivated since they have "official" support ;) |
| 15:23:26 | Bagder | I guess so! ;-) |
| 15:23:29 | jyp | yay ;) |
| 15:23:33 | gromit` | for my part i just want to have fun with my gmini and to have an os fw |
| 15:23:40 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 15:23:40 | * | Bagder waves |
| 15:23:45 | Zagor | gromit`: sounds like just the right approach |
| 15:24:08 | Bagder | so, what prefix does the cross-compiled gcc you use have? |
| 15:24:08 | crash_ | gromit`: i understand, sometimes politics seems just useless |
| 15:24:22 | gromit` | "actively" i was quite unactive these times though :) |
| 15:24:29 | jyp | We sure could use more people on the project... |
| 15:24:34 | crash_ | but on the other hand i think there are people out there that where glad to hear from your work :) |
| 15:24:48 | Bagder | jyp: announcing this on the list could be one way to attract more people |
| 15:24:53 | gromit` | ya |
| 15:24:58 | gromit` | we really need more people |
| 15:25:16 | * | crash_ is sorry for missing c coding skills |
| 15:25:28 | Bagder | crash_: it is never too late...! |
| 15:25:46 | jyp | Yes... |
| 15:26:07 | crash_ | Bagder: i would like to start with rockbox, but i dont know if this is the right level ;) |
| 15:26:27 | Bagder | hehe |
| 15:26:34 | crash_ | i mean i have coded c++ some time ago, unfortunatly only with mfc |
| 15:26:40 | Bagder | plunge in! |
| 15:26:55 | jyp | If you announce something, make sure to to duley credit credit strath; so he doesn't feel "stepped on" |
| 15:27:03 | Zagor | seriously, writing plugins is a simple way to start getting the feel of rockbox |
| 15:27:14 | Bagder | I was more hoping that one of you guys would announce it |
| 15:27:22 | jyp | Ha, ok ;) |
| 15:27:32 | Bagder | seems more suitable |
| 15:29:06 | crash_ | Bagder: there is a simulator for rockbox for linux? |
| 15:29:27 | crash_ | since i sold my jukebox 6k yesterday @ ebay i dont have a real archos device anymore |
| 15:29:36 | Bagder | yes there is |
| 15:29:41 | crash_ | btw 100 euro for a 6 gig device is just crazy |
| 15:29:46 | Bagder | it simulates the lowlevel APIs |
| 15:30:04 | crash_ | have mentioned rockbox in the description, i think this has helped ;) |
| 15:30:14 | crash_ | ok i'll have a look this eveing |
| 15:30:19 | crash_ | anything to be aware of? |
| 15:30:28 | gromit` | we should wait a few more days |
| 15:30:39 | gromit` | maybe his internet connection is down |
| 15:30:48 | gromit` | or something like this |
| 15:30:56 | Bagder | crash_: pop in here and ask if you run into trouble |
| 15:31:12 | gromit` | wa can though start the work on the port |
| 15:31:13 | jyp | gromit`, I was thinking next week |
| 15:31:19 | gromit` | ya |
| 15:31:28 | jyp | Already started ;) |
| 15:31:57 | gromit` | ya |
| 15:32:15 | crash_ | but copying the wiki should be ok ? |
| 15:32:48 | Bagder | what is the prefix of your cross-compiled gcc? |
| 15:32:51 | Bagder | calmrisc16-unknown-elf? |
| 15:33:09 | gromit` | calmrisc16-unknown-elf ya |
| 15:33:14 | Bagder | ok |
| 15:33:24 | Bagder | I'll do my share |
| 15:34:10 | Bagder | preparing the configure tool for gmini |
| 15:34:14 | gromit` | thx |
| 15:35:02 | LinusN | gcc 2.95? |
| 15:36:20 | jyp | 2.97 (codename: unreleased & fucked up) |
| 15:36:34 | gromit` | :))) |
| 15:36:36 | Bagder | whoa |
| 15:36:42 | jyp | I'm working on the 3.4 or 4.0 update |
| 15:38:26 | Bagder | what's the lcd size of the gmini 120 ? |
| 15:38:26 | LinusN | 2.97 means no C99 support, right? |
| 15:38:59 | jyp | I don't know... |
| 15:39:00 | gromit` | 128 x 64 |
| 15:39:05 | gromit` | and 160 x 160 for the 220 |
| 15:39:19 | Bagder | I'm adding a basic 120 one first |
| 15:39:33 | Bagder | then you fix all my flaws and fix it up better |
| 15:39:39 | Bagder | you can even |
| 15:42:11 | jyp | what does .icode stands for in rockbox ? |
| 15:42:15 | jyp | internal code ? |
| 15:42:39 | jyp | I gotta place interrupt code at a fixed address |
| 15:42:51 | jyp | I guess I should use that section ? |
| 15:43:12 | Zagor | icode is placed in cpu-internal sram |
| 15:43:41 | jyp | we have 32k in gmini i think... |
| 15:43:46 | jyp | Enough ? |
| 15:43:59 | LinusN | we have a section called "vectors" for the irq vectors |
| 15:44:09 | Zagor | yes. we have less iram in the sh1 |
| 15:44:27 | LinusN | 4K |
| 15:44:40 | crash_ | so guys got to go, se you later :) |
| 15:44:45 | jyp | cya |
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| 15:45:31 | dwihno | I'm impressed with the IMP series this far |
| 15:45:52 | dwihno | It drives my sennheiser phones better than my archos |
| 15:49:00 | Bagder | calmrisc16-unknown-elf-gcc: command not found |
| 15:49:02 | Bagder | :-) |
| 15:49:53 | jyp | It's not a piece of code you want to run anyways ;) |
| 15:58:24 | Bagder | you know how much ram a 120 has? |
| 15:59:03 | jyp | 16 Mo ? gromit` ? |
| 15:59:26 | gromit` | dunno |
| 15:59:37 | Bagder | ok, I'll use 16 for now |
| 15:59:42 | Bagder | doesn't matter very much atm |
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| 16:01:05 | Bagder | committed |
| 16:01:12 | jyp | thanks |
| 16:01:20 | Bagder | if you check out rockbox now... |
| 16:01:28 | Bagder | you can select archos gmini 120 as target |
| 16:01:35 | jyp | cool |
| 16:01:47 | Bagder | if you build the simulation version, it builds |
| 16:02:22 | jyp | afk for 10 minutes... |
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| 16:43:33 | amiconn | hi |
| 16:43:47 | Bagder | hej |
| 16:44:03 | Quel|away | hola |
| 16:44:04 | Quel|away | :D |
| 16:44:29 | Quel|away | multilanguage irc channel :D |
| 16:47:17 | methangas | hola |
| 16:53:31 | lImbus | hi Jens |
| 16:54:37 | [IDC]Dragon | another Hi Jens! |
| 16:55:02 | amiconn | :) |
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| 17:00:06 | OnlyDeath | Who has the language.mix from red 2 game ? |
| 17:00:14 | OnlyDeath | . .. i need it quiait fast |
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| 17:01:08 | lImbus | yeah guy, I assume you need something else quite fast ! |
| 17:02:13 | jyp | damn junkies ;) |
| 17:02:44 | lImbus | lol |
| 17:03:48 | Bagder | this is of course the obvious channel to ask for such files |
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| 17:04:33 | veteran | nice website guys |
| 17:04:42 | * | veteran is from #ipodlinux http://www.ipodlinux.org |
| 17:05:12 | Bagder | any news in ipod land? |
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| 17:05:50 | veteran | trying to get 4g/mini/photo to work |
| 17:07:27 | [IDC]Dragon | ipod is ARM DSP? |
| 17:07:45 | [IDC]Dragon | ARM plus DSP |
| 17:08:06 | veteran | dual ARM, no DSP |
| 17:08:10 | veteran | 75mhz ;) |
| 17:08:17 | [IDC]Dragon | ah |
| 17:08:29 | veteran | who's your web admin? |
| 17:08:44 | Bagder | Zagor is the main man, but we are multiple admins |
| 17:09:27 | [IDC]Dragon | last time I looked at ipodlinux, there was no audio |
| 17:09:42 | veteran | wow it's been a while |
| 17:10:26 | [IDC]Dragon | so it's fully useable by now? |
| 17:12:10 | veteran | if your mp3s are encoded with CBR |
| 17:12:23 | Bagder | heh |
| 17:12:27 | [IDC]Dragon | rarely |
| 17:12:32 | Bagder | otherwise...? |
| 17:12:39 | veteran | it's been known to do some interesting slow-mo effects on VBR |
| 17:13:24 | Zagor | veteran: which codec are you using? |
| 17:14:02 | Zagor | all home-cooked? |
| 17:14:04 | veteran | intel IPC |
| 17:14:11 | [IDC]Dragon | anything wrong with MAD? |
| 17:14:14 | veteran | really nasty |
| 17:14:26 | courtc | MAD is too slow :p |
| 17:15:09 | courtc | / not optimised enough for our tastes |
| 17:15:12 | [IDC]Dragon | the helix client contains an ARM-optimized mp3 decoder, do you know? |
| 17:15:15 | veteran | Zagor - what is the name of that feature request script? |
| 17:15:27 | Zagor | it's written by bagder |
| 17:15:44 | veteran | very nice |
| 17:16:10 | Bagder | thanks |
| 17:16:29 | Bagder | the sf trackers need some help |
| 17:16:29 | veteran | is it open source? ;) |
| 17:16:41 | [IDC]Dragon | yes |
| 17:17:12 | Bagder | veteran: well, I could offer you a copy ;-) |
| 17:17:34 | Bagder | I write too many scripts to have them around for download |
| 17:18:29 | Bagder | its a simple 5K perl script |
| 17:18:35 | veteran | sure we'd appreciate a copy |
| 17:18:54 | [IDC]Dragon | I thought you meant the mp3 decoder |
| 17:18:54 | veteran | does it use mysql? |
| 17:18:59 | Bagder | no |
| 17:19:06 | Bagder | it uses the XML file downloaded from sf |
| 17:19:13 | Bagder | with all tracker data |
| 17:20:00 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/featlist.txt |
| 17:20:27 | veteran | interesting |
| 17:20:53 | Bagder | to make this really good, you want to auto download that xml file |
| 17:21:04 | Bagder | before running this script on it |
| 17:21:26 | veteran | alright so cronjob? |
| 17:21:46 | Bagder | yes |
| 17:21:48 | Bagder | wait |
| 17:22:34 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/fetchsf.txt |
| 17:22:38 | Bagder | that script downloads it fine |
| 17:22:52 | Bagder | make sure you fill in the three top values |
| 17:23:30 | Zagor | we/you should probably use the -z flag to curl to avoid downloading the same copy a zillion times |
| 17:23:39 | Bagder | yeah |
| 17:23:42 | Bagder | and −−compressed |
| 17:23:49 | Zagor | yeah' |
| 17:24:53 | courtc | [IDC]Dragon, looking at it now.. seems promising |
| 17:25:10 | courtc | thanks for the heads up :) |
| 17:25:49 | Bagder | Zagor: fixing it now |
| 17:27:48 | [IDC]Dragon | courtc: you're from ipodland, too? |
| 17:28:01 | courtc | indeed |
| 17:28:11 | [IDC]Dragon | Invasion! |
| 17:28:36 | courtc | heh, we are here to steal your ideas ;) |
| 17:29:52 | [IDC]Dragon | I thought, to bring Rockbox to the Ipod |
| 17:29:53 | Zagor | welcome! :-) |
| 17:30:05 | [IDC]Dragon | 2 new platforms in one day! |
| 17:30:49 | Zagor | hehe, well i guess an ipod port is not exactly in the works right now. they've sort of opted for another route. |
| 17:31:21 | [IDC]Dragon | courtc: I remember some profiling data somewhere, it was ~30ish MHz for mp3 decoding |
| 17:31:37 | courtc | yea, saw that.. |
| 17:32:14 | veteran | [IDC]Dragon we are all drooling in #ipodlinux |
| 17:32:23 | veteran | much thanks :D |
| 17:32:36 | [IDC]Dragon | drooling |
| 17:32:38 | [IDC]Dragon | ? |
| 17:32:59 | veteran | helix looks very promising for ipodlinux |
| 17:33:00 | [IDC]Dragon | can't see #ipodlinux from here |
| 17:33:10 | [IDC]Dragon | is there a log? |
| 17:33:12 | courtc | over the helix codec |
| 17:34:07 | courtc | http://rainstorm.org/ipod/stats/ |
| 17:35:54 | Zagor | how much hardware support is there for firewire/usb? |
| 17:36:32 | [IDC]Dragon | courtc: I see, give me some credit! |
| 17:37:26 | courtc | there.. |
| 17:37:36 | * | Bagder runs away in search for food |
| 17:38:26 | [IDC]Dragon | ;-) |
| 17:45:49 | Zagor | veteran, courtc: what is the difference with g4 that breaks compatibility? |
| 17:45:59 | Zagor | 4g, i mean |
| 17:46:14 | veteran | http://ipodlinux.org/4g |
| 17:46:26 | Zagor | ah |
| 17:51:48 | courtc | What decoder does this project use? |
| 17:52:17 | Zagor | the current hardware has a hardware decoder |
| 17:52:30 | courtc | ah.. that helps :/ |
| 17:52:36 | Zagor | the iriver is our first sw-decoder platform, and we're currently looking at using libmad |
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| 18:06:23 | gromit` | i hope gmini will be the second |
| 18:07:57 | Zagor | me too |
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| 18:12:54 | Zagor | gotta go |
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| 18:13:07 | hgb | Hmm. Installing Rockbox onto an Ondio from Linux should be as simple as just unzipping the ZIP file in wherever I mounted the ondio using USB mass storage, right? |
| 18:13:25 | * | hgb must find out if he has 128 FM or SP. |
| 18:13:34 | hgb | Most likely FM, I'd say... |
| 18:15:46 | lImbus | hi hgb |
| 18:15:54 | hgb | Hi. |
| 18:16:04 | lImbus | what's written on your ondio frontplate ? |
| 18:16:22 | hgb | lImbus: Dunno. It's at home. |
| 18:16:33 | lImbus | has it got a radio ? |
| 18:16:37 | hgb | Yep |
| 18:16:44 | lImbus | then it's fm |
| 18:16:46 | hgb | Ah. |
| 18:16:50 | hgb | Righ.t. |
| 18:16:52 | lImbus | sp mot probably means "simple player" |
| 18:16:57 | lImbus | s/mot/most |
| 18:16:59 | hgb | Ok. |
| 18:17:18 | hgb | Is there better radio reception with rockbox than with standard firmware? |
| 18:17:31 | lImbus | mhmm. don't thinks so. |
| 18:17:32 | * | hgb finds the radio reception to be of far too low quality. |
| 18:17:46 | lImbus | i'm not one of the developers |
| 18:17:49 | hgb | On the other hand, I'm still running the firmware it came with. |
| 18:17:58 | hgb | Which is probably ages old and useless. |
| 18:18:17 | lImbus | it depends on the hardware-version. there have been better and worse versions. |
| 18:23:37 | hgb | Right. |
| 18:23:59 | hgb | Mine has some issues with the batteries as well. Sometimes they lose connection for a flash, and the thing reboots. |
| 18:24:03 | hgb | Annoying. |
| 18:28:17 | lImbus | gotta go, cu m8s |
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| 18:56:07 | [IDC]Dragon | hgb: there 2 dufferen FM tuners being used |
| 18:56:23 | [IDC]Dragon | s/dufferen/different |
| 18:56:55 | [IDC]Dragon | a bad Samsung one and a better Philips |
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| 20:46:47 | crash_ | someone here to "help" me ? |
| 20:47:07 | jyp | if I can |
| 20:47:26 | crash_ | i just build the simulator from rockbox cvs |
| 20:47:47 | crash_ | and aksing myself if the simulator can load another firmware like normal? |
| 20:48:07 | crash_ | by putting archos.mod into archos dir |
| 20:48:13 | jyp | 99.9999% chance it won't |
| 20:48:24 | jyp | (low estimate) |
| 20:49:01 | amiconn | crash_: Nope. |
| 20:49:08 | crash_ | so, i will change something in source code and build again the rockbox simulator? |
| 20:49:35 | amiconn | It's just a simulator that simulates the rockbox UI, not an emulator that is able to run code compiled for the target CPU |
| 20:49:46 | crash_ | ah i see :) |
| 20:50:09 | crash_ | so when i change something, i build simulator |
| 20:50:11 | crash_ | thanks :) |
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| 20:55:43 | muz | hey you know that image of the iriver with the directory listing? |
| 20:56:00 | muz | does that mean that the rockbox firmware actually functions on the iriver? |
| 20:56:24 | jyp | someone experienced in linker scripts here ? |
| 20:56:53 | crash_ | muz: linus is coding the bootloader |
| 20:57:08 | crash_ | its not yet really proted |
| 20:57:20 | crash_ | but work in progress |
| 20:59:24 | muz | i thought the bootloader was done |
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| 21:00:15 | amiconn | muz: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort could be interesting |
| 21:00:16 | Zagor | muz: yes, it means nearly all rockbox code works, when ran in gdb using the bdm debugger |
| 21:00:56 | Zagor | however we still haven't finished the boot loader, so it requires the bdm hardware debugger which makes it ... limited of use :) |
| 21:01:17 | Zagor | jyp: what is your question? |
| 21:01:42 | crash_ | Zagor: does that mean rockbox will run mostly complete when bootloader is finished and there will only be changes to do which take advantage of irivers capabilities? |
| 21:01:48 | muz | so without debuggers it wont work |
| 21:02:16 | jyp | Zagor, I have this: |
| 21:02:18 | jyp | .data 0x2000: { |
| 21:02:18 | jyp | _datastart = .; |
| 21:02:18 | jyp | *(.data) |
| 21:02:18 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK jyp |
| 21:02:18 | jyp | *(.rodata) |
| 21:02:18 | jyp | _datasize = . - _datastart; |
| 21:02:19 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 21:02:19 | jyp | *(.bss) |
| 21:02:21 | jyp | } > DRAM |
| 21:02:42 | Zagor | crash_: yes, most of it works. no sound yet though. |
| 21:02:50 | jyp | but data size is 0x2000 too large |
| 21:03:01 | jyp | as if i had _datasize = . |
| 21:04:12 | jyp | Mh... I just discovered the SiZEOF() operator... |
| 21:04:21 | jyp | I'll give it a try |
| 21:04:55 | crash_ | Zagor: great, i had expecte after publishing bootloader it would take another long period to whait ;) |
| 21:05:09 | crash_ | so it seems rockbox for my h3xx comes a bit nearer ;) |
| 21:05:46 | muz | heres an irrelevant question: does rockbox support accelerated navigation like the ipod |
| 21:05:50 | Zagor | well I do expect it will take a bit of time before it's a worthy replacement for the original firmware |
| 21:06:05 | Zagor | muz: define accelerated navigation |
| 21:06:22 | muz | like if you hold down a direction the speed is gets higher |
| 21:06:31 | Zagor | ok. yes it does. |
| 21:06:40 | muz | hey thats sooo cool |
| 21:07:17 | Zagor | or actually, it doesn't. we just have a rather quick button repeat rate. |
| 21:07:19 | muz | so is it just linus working on the iriver project |
| 21:07:48 | amiconn | The button repeat rate *does* increase if you hold longer.. |
| 21:07:56 | Zagor | no. only linus is working on the boot loader, since he has our only bdm debugger. but there has been lots of other work involved with the iriver port. |
| 21:08:19 | Zagor | amiconn: it does? man, i miss all the fun changes :-) |
| 21:08:33 | amiconn | I think that one is quite old... |
| 21:08:42 | muz | what exactly is the button repeat rate? |
| 21:09:06 | amiconn | We scan for button presses 100 times/sec. |
| 21:09:13 | crash_ | the seeking speed indeed gets greater the longer u hold the button |
| 21:09:23 | amiconn | Repeat kicks in after ~30 ticks (300 msec) |
| 21:09:30 | crash_ | and u can setup how fast the speed should accelerate |
| 21:09:36 | Zagor | crash_: yes, but the seek acceleration is handled specially |
| 21:09:39 | muz | wow |
| 21:09:57 | Zagor | in fact it even decellerates at the end of the track... |
| 21:09:58 | amiconn | Repeat rate starts at 16 ticks (6~6 repeats/sec) and goes up to 5 ticks (20 repeats/sec) |
| 21:10:04 | crash_ | as i understand muz didnt want to know how it works just if, am i wrong ? |
| 21:10:12 | muz | its okay |
| 21:10:16 | muz | im ment to be clever neway |
| 21:10:40 | crash_ | Zagor: but funny u didnt know this *g* |
| 21:10:47 | muz | im doing a course in engineering next year |
| 21:11:06 | muz | hopefully i might learn some stuff to help u guys |
| 21:11:51 | crash_ | just teach urself ;) i'm trying right now, maybe i can be some help some day |
| 21:12:20 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 21:14:42 | | Quit muz ("CGI:IRC") |
| 21:15:05 | Zagor | crash_: my memory is rather bad. guess why I make such an effort to document and log everything? ;-) |
| 21:15:36 | Zagor | acceleration was introduced in september 2002... :-) |
| 21:15:45 | Quel|away | crash_: zagor is a "granpa" |
| 21:15:47 | Quel|away | :D |
| 21:16:04 | Quel|away | is spelled that way? i hope so |
| 21:21:53 | Zagor | jyp: problem solved? |
| 21:22:20 | jyp | well... I don't know |
| 21:22:35 | jyp | I think so |
| 21:22:46 | jyp | but maybe there's another problem |
| 21:22:52 | jyp | I'll give you an update ;) |
| 21:33:11 | jyp | ok I think I got it |
| 21:40:15 | crash_ | Zagor, Quel|away : hehe ;) |
| 21:58:14 | jyp | Phew... Got it... |
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| 21:58:30 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK LDscriptMastah |
| 21:59:17 | | Nick LDscriptMastah is now known as jyp (~jp@43.193-200-80.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 21:59:17 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK jyp |
| 21:59:35 | Zagor | :) |
| 21:59:47 | Zagor | which binutils version are you using? |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:00 | jyp | the one shipped with our gcc |
| 22:00:21 | jyp | GNU objdump 2.10-calmrisc16-010518 |
| 22:00:48 | Zagor | ooh, vintage :) |
| 22:00:57 | jyp | You said it. |
| 22:01:44 | jyp | I got calmrisc support ported to the most recent version though |
| 22:01:57 | jyp | but it doesn't support disassembly |
| 22:02:36 | Zagor | you did? excellent |
| 22:02:39 | amiconn | Wargh! Rockbox created a dir that I am unable to delete :( |
| 22:02:53 | Zagor | amiconn: ouch |
| 22:03:29 | amiconn | Playing around with multivolume, I tried to rename the virtual dir... it created a copy of that dir. |
| 22:03:39 | Zagor | oops |
| 22:03:43 | amiconn | I can't delete that because of the < and > in it |
| 22:03:54 | Zagor | right |
| 22:04:01 | Zagor | but rockbox can rename it |
| 22:04:32 | amiconn | It's impossible to delete this on rockbox either - because it thinks this is the special dir. Rockbox hangs with the red led lit if I try |
| 22:04:55 | Zagor | boot an older version without multivolume code |
| 22:05:35 | amiconn | Renaming works. |
| 22:05:49 | crash_ | jyp: right now i also have trouble loading donat.org |
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| 22:06:12 | jyp | crash_, damn! |
| 22:06:48 | Zagor | there appears to be a bad routing problem between donat.org and here. i could reach it from work but not from home. (tried simultaneously erlier today) |
| 22:06:51 | amiconn | Zagor: Now that is really strange. I renamed the dir (to "BBB"). I still can't delete or even enter it on the PC |
| 22:07:19 | Zagor | does it have a bad bit set, like label or something? |
| 22:09:09 | amiconn | Tried to delete it on rockbox - some heavy disk activity, then it hung. Now the partition is f***ed up. |
| 22:09:16 | Zagor | whoa |
| 22:10:32 | amiconn | Rename really shouldn't try to work across volumes, that's what I wanted to check. It not only does nothing good, it even causes all sorts of trouble |
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| 22:11:11 | Zagor | indeed |
| 22:12:00 | amiconn | It comes in very handy to have an experimentation device |
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| 22:18:00 | amiconn | hi again Jörg |
| 22:18:02 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi again |
| 22:18:09 | [IDC]Dragon | blame me... |
| 22:18:54 | [IDC]Dragon | volumes have an extra flag. It should be very simple to disable renaming them from the UI |
| 22:18:54 | amiconn | I tried FAT16 with all possible cluster sizes, and also placing a fat16 partition beyond 8 GB (LBA area). Everyting works. |
| 22:19:16 | [IDC]Dragon | great, without any modification? |
| 22:19:43 | amiconn | Yes. |
| 22:20:25 | amiconn | In fact, rockbox ignores the partition types altogether. I remembered differently, hmm?!? |
| 22:20:37 | [IDC]Dragon | so do I , yes |
| 22:21:01 | amiconn | I now have a multivolume partitioning with one fat32 partition and one fat16, trying to do weird things ;) |
| 22:21:31 | amiconn | Rename should be completely disabled across volumes. |
| 22:22:20 | [IDC]Dragon | across? |
| 22:23:09 | amiconn | Yes, trying to rename a file in a way that it would have to be copied. The rename function asks for the destination path, so this would be possible to try from the UI |
| 22:24:12 | [IDC]Dragon | rename lets us change tha path? |
| 22:24:22 | [IDC]Dragon | s/tha/the |
| 22:24:34 | amiconn | Furthermore, the volume check should check the exact name, so /<MMCn> is a volume identifier, but /<MMCn>AA isn't |
| 22:25:01 | [IDC]Dragon | that has illegal chars |
| 22:25:22 | [IDC]Dragon | so /<MMCn>AA is bogus |
| 22:25:27 | amiconn | Ah no, the rename function doesn't allow to change the path (as now) |
| 22:25:58 | amiconn | Yes, <MMCn>AA is bogus, but the file/fat code doesn't check for illegal chars |
| 22:26:29 | amiconn | Argh, crappy player keyboard :-/ |
| 22:26:29 | [IDC]Dragon | I guess we can enter them? Hmm |
| 22:27:13 | amiconn | Rename gives the old name to edit, so /<MMCn>AA is easy to create, just append AA |
| 22:28:09 | [IDC]Dragon | it shouldn't show the path, just the filename |
| 22:28:15 | amiconn | It does. |
| 22:28:28 | amiconn | I tried renaming the /<MMCn> dir itself |
| 22:28:42 | [IDC]Dragon | then we *could* edit the path |
| 22:28:48 | amiconn | (or rather /<HD1> as I'm experimenting on the player) |
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| 22:29:28 | amiconn | It doesn't show the path, but only the name of the item to rename, be it file or dir |
| 22:29:34 | [IDC]Dragon | again, renaming the volume itself can be easily prevented |
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| 22:29:58 | [IDC]Dragon | with that attribute flag |
| 22:31:09 | amiconn | Yes, so this would prevent the danger for now. Disabling rename across volumes completely would be the future safe approach |
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| 22:42:47 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: YOu think we should disable renaming the virtual dirs in the UI part? |
| 22:43:14 | [IDC]Dragon | we have to make the option disappear |
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| 22:43:27 | * | [IDC]Dragon looks fo the code |
| 22:43:44 | amiconn | It may be a good idea to hide the delete option as well. |
| 22:43:59 | [IDC]Dragon | definitely, yes |
| 22:44:17 | amiconn | While delete should work (except for the virtual dir itself of course) it would deleted *everything* in the mounted volume... |
| 22:45:23 | [IDC]Dragon | could be useful, but we had no root delete in the past |
| 22:45:38 | [IDC]Dragon | which would've deleted rockbox, too |
| 22:46:18 | amiconn | I think this may be too dangerous... A user: "Hey, what's this strange <MMC1> directory here? Let's delete it!" Whoops! |
| 22:47:59 | [IDC]Dragon | onplay() is easy to change |
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| 22:56:06 | amiconn | Trying to delete the virtual dir hangs (after correctly deleting everyting within the mounted volume) |
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| 23:01:35 | amiconn | Grr, mkdir() is not in the api |
| 23:01:54 | Bagder | ! |
| 23:08:18 | ZiRo`5 | crash_ |
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| 23:10:48 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Totally ot: any news concerning the archos wav codec? |
| 23:11:10 | [IDC]Dragon | no |
| 23:11:32 | [IDC]Dragon | I've also been thinking about a polite way to retrigger |
| 23:12:15 | [IDC]Dragon | onplay committed |
| 23:13:34 | amiconn | I have a check in fat_rename() now. I'll make up a little test plugin that will test all possible cases. |
| 23:13:51 | amiconn | The check is actually very simple |
| 23:14:03 | amiconn | if (file->volume != dir->file.volume) |
| 23:14:15 | [IDC]Dragon | I don't think it's necessary to bulletproof our internal functions |
| 23:14:33 | [IDC]Dragon | admit, it's simple |
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| 23:53:50 | gromit` | re |
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