| 00:00:41 | zeekoe | yup, and unneccessary i think now... if a user want a config-load-only option, he can have the resume screen for free, and it won't harm |
| 00:01:16 | zeekoe | the only different thing would be that he shouldn't press Play |
| 00:01:47 | zeekoe | ..so changing the 'show resume screen' option can change in 'show resume and config load screen', right? |
| 00:01:51 | Zagor | right. how about adding the config option, and if the resume screen isn't used but the config loader option is set, you prompt separately from the resume |
| 00:02:14 | Zagor | also only show the button bar in the resume screen if the option is set |
| 00:02:25 | zeekoe | okay |
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| 00:05:14 | Zagor | also i'd like a splash(HZ,true,str(LANG_READ_FAILED),filename) if the config file chosen does not exist |
| 00:05:58 | zeekoe | that would break the backwards compatibility to 'the old system' |
| 00:06:05 | Zagor | ...and use the ROCKBOX_DIR define instead of hardcoding "/.rockbox" |
| 00:06:14 | zeekoe | uh, ok :) |
| 00:06:32 | Zagor | well since we are adding a config option, we don't need to maintain compatibility imho |
| 00:06:39 | zeekoe | if a user normally exits the menu with f1, he now has to wait 1 second |
| 00:07:05 | zeekoe | ok, you got a point |
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| 00:07:32 | Zagor | since the option is disabled by default, the user won't be surprised by the change |
| 00:07:43 | zeekoe | ok |
| 00:10:37 | Zagor | my suggestion for non-recorder keypads is to give two options: left/right. all devices have left/right, and it doesn't interfer with resume (even player users can still press play/stop) |
| 00:11:14 | zeekoe | yup, i'll do that |
| 00:12:05 | zeekoe | can i use buttonbar_set("left","","right") for that? or is that bad |
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| 00:16:17 | Zagor | actually, you can't display anything for players in the resume screen. their display is full... |
| 00:17:07 | Zagor | the buttonbar* functions only exist on recorders, so you can't use them for other models |
| 00:18:48 | Zagor | however i still think players should have the option available, just no text if resume screen is showing. |
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| 00:22:07 | zeekoe2 | i agree on that (about the players). But the *buttonbar thing doesnt work on ondios? ondios do have the right screen. |
| 00:22:16 | zeekoe2 | is there another easy way to get text at the bottom of the screen? |
| 00:22:31 | zeekoe2 | other than copypaste the buttonbar thing? |
| 00:22:31 | Zagor | they have the screen, but not the buttons so a bar would be useless |
| 00:22:46 | zeekoe2 | bottom of screen is hard, i found out |
| 00:22:53 | zeekoe2 | harder than top |
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| 00:24:28 | Zagor | yes, you need to know the font height |
| 00:24:46 | zeekoe | indeed |
| 00:24:57 | zeekoe | or use a known to be good font |
| 00:25:43 | zeekoe | ah well, i should get some sleep now |
| 00:26:08 | zeekoe | need to do some rockbox digging tomorrow, like how to add config options and stuff :) |
| 00:26:09 | Zagor | sorry to give you a load of work :) |
| 00:26:25 | zeekoe | you're not really sorry, are you ;-) |
| 00:26:46 | zeekoe | it's good for me... i might learn some C :) |
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| 00:42:00 | crash_ | jyp: hi |
| 00:50:54 | jyp | yup. |
| 00:51:04 | jyp | ? |
| 00:51:39 | crash_ | i had an highlight from you ;) |
| 00:51:50 | crash_ | i think it was about the gmin 220 xs |
| 00:52:00 | jyp | ah? |
| 00:54:03 | crash_ | so u got a question? |
| 00:54:37 | crash_ | function too? |
| 00:54:37 | crash_ | 23:22 < jyp> no, I don't |
| 00:54:37 | crash_ | 23:22 < jyp> sorry |
| 00:54:37 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK crash_ |
| 00:54:37 | crash_ | 23:22 < jyp> crash_? |
| 00:55:06 | Zagor | <Zagor> jyp: do you know if the navigation knob on the xs200 has a push function too? |
| 00:55:27 | jyp | maybe you know? |
| 00:55:31 | crash_ | i hink i should exercise a bit with this irc client ;) |
| 00:55:37 | crash_ | i can test |
| 00:55:54 | crash_ | but as i said i dont have a gmini xs 220, only a friend of mine has one |
| 00:56:13 | jyp | ok |
| 00:56:19 | crash_ | u mean the round button in the middle, which functions this one has right ? |
| 00:56:31 | crash_ | or if it is a joystick like |
| 00:56:39 | jyp | Zagor means :P |
| 00:57:04 | Zagor | exactly. i assume it can be moved in four directions. but can it be pushed/clicked too? i would guess so. |
| 00:57:29 | crash_ | i just asked my friend |
| 00:57:33 | crash_ | waiting for response |
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| 01:03:12 | crash_ | ok Zagor is right it's a joystick and you can push it in 4 directions |
| 01:03:50 | Zagor | but not in? |
| 01:05:02 | crash_ | aehm sorry |
| 01:05:09 | crash_ | sure u can push him |
| 01:05:10 | crash_ | ;) |
| 01:08:04 | gromit` | jyp |
| 01:08:10 | gromit` | lafouine has a xs hasn't he ? |
| 01:09:01 | jyp | iirc |
| 01:09:04 | jyp | yes |
| 01:10:19 | jyp | nite! |
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| 01:23:31 | Zagor | aha, the pma400 (ex av500) is officially linux based. that's nice. |
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| 01:26:42 | Zagor | ooh, keyboard and ethernet available. nice little machine! |
| 01:27:47 | crash_ | url ? |
| 01:27:56 | Zagor | http://www.archos.com/products/prw_500594_specs.html |
| 01:28:03 | crash_ | thx |
| 01:28:18 | Zagor | http://www.archos.com/pma400_mws/pma400_mws_accessories.html |
| 01:29:42 | crash_ | thats really nice |
| 01:29:59 | crash_ | seems like coming all portable devices togehter |
| 01:30:09 | Zagor | yeah. surprisingly low screen resolution though. and very expensive! |
| 01:31:08 | crash_ | 3,5" and 320x240 ? uh |
| 01:33:09 | Zagor | it's not bad, but the palms are up to 320x480 |
| 01:34:23 | crash_ | its the question how each of these companies understands "linux-based" |
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| 01:47:28 | * | crash_ is just formating his archos 6k jukebox cause he sold it for 100euro on ebay ;) |
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| 08:59:46 | LePoulpe | hi all |
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| 09:07:10 | SoulEata | sup |
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| 10:10:25 | bobTHC | hi all |
| 10:11:44 | bobTHC | have u seen the last announce of Archos |
| 10:12:24 | bobTHC | a pda based on the AV400 |
| 10:12:41 | bobTHC | on linux |
| 10:12:44 | bobTHC | http://www.archos.com/products/prw_500594_specs.html |
| 10:13:05 | bobTHC | nice stuff |
| 10:15:14 | bobTHC | a bit expensive and surely a bad battery autonomy |
| 10:16:57 | bobTHC | french ppl can have more info @ http://www.jbmm.net/forum/sujet-3040.html |
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| 10:33:07 | bobTHC | a rockbox for gmini 120 is on the way ?? |
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| 11:07:37 | Bagder | bobTHC: hopefully, yes |
| 11:10:10 | Lynx_ | i have the artist name in the filenames first. so if the artist name is rather long, i have to wait for the song name to scroll by when searching for something. Do you guys think it would make sense to include a "shorten" feature which for example takes out all the vowels from the names? |
| 11:11:07 | Bagder | Lynx_: its been discussed many times in the past, but I don't think any approach has gotten concensus as "they way" yet |
| 11:11:27 | * | Bagder takes off |
| 11:11:31 | Lynx_ | ah. would it be a lot of work to include that? |
| 11:12:13 | Bagder | probably not |
| 11:12:26 | Bagder | the big deal is to find the approach many ppl favour |
| 11:12:43 | Lynx_ | what are the other options? |
| 11:13:09 | Bagder | there have been many alternatives suggested |
| 11:13:16 | Bagder | I don't remember all of them right now |
| 11:13:29 | Bagder | gotta go |
| 11:13:56 | Lynx_ | cu |
| 11:22:41 | bobTHC | Bagder: thx, new devices are good news for spreading the rockbox |
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| 12:29:15 | amiconn | Bagder: Regarding the "scroll wait" - imho it would help a lot if the recorders also get a jump scroll feature like the players. |
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| 12:38:28 | Lynx_ | does jump scroll mean the text is displayed in two alternating parts? |
| 12:43:23 | amiconn | Jump scroll means that the text scrolls in steps equal to the display width, showing each display-width part a configurable time |
| 12:44:08 | amiconn | This is implemented on the player. If activated, the text scrolls <n> times with jump scroll, then switches over to regular scroll. |
| 12:47:14 | Lynx_ | ok, i see. that would be nice, instead the of the shorten function for example. |
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| 14:38:41 | sosh | hi everyone ! |
| 14:42:34 | lImbus | hi |
| 14:43:59 | sosh | first off all, i wanna say, i love rockbox and a big thanx too all ppl behind rockbox! |
| 14:46:09 | sosh | i've got an technical question on my ajb recorder. may i ask it in here ?! |
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| 14:55:15 | omri02 | hey everyone |
| 14:55:17 | omri02 | whos here? |
| 14:55:28 | lImbus | sosh: you may try. I am quite busy, but I can try to respond |
| 14:55:37 | lImbus | hi omri02 |
| 14:55:41 | omri02 | hi |
| 14:56:06 | omri02 | are you active in the iriver rockbox port? |
| 14:57:26 | omri02 | ? |
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| 14:57:57 | * | omri02 drives over lImbus |
| 14:58:03 | omri02 | :P |
| 14:58:25 | * | omri02 slaps lImbus around with Windows Me |
| 14:59:22 | BBub | omri02: take a look on the homepage |
| 14:59:29 | BBub | it should answer all your questions |
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| 15:00:22 | sosh | thnx lImbus! i got two AJB Recorders 20 wich i thought, thy are identically. but on one Recorder the remote works, on the other the remote dosn't. :-( |
| 15:01:36 | sosh | i got the CDC Simulator from Matthias Klumpp in my car. wich works fine with the one, the other one dosnt. |
| 15:01:53 | sosh | both recorders with Rockbox 2.3 |
| 15:02:19 | sosh | are there different Hardware Versions ? |
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| 15:04:16 | omri02 | hey |
| 15:04:48 | omri02 | well, it actualy didnt |
| 15:05:00 | omri02 | one thing is, i wanted to know how the port is going |
| 15:05:14 | omri02 | and thay say in the forums that the wiki isnt updated |
| 15:05:31 | omri02 | and the other was wanting to know if you need any hardware contributions |
| 15:05:43 | omri02 | since i spend alot of time in the conexant labs |
| 15:05:51 | omri02 | i might be able to get some stuff.... |
| 15:06:23 | * | lImbus wakes up |
| 15:06:34 | omri02 | morning |
| 15:06:36 | omri02 | :P |
| 15:07:17 | lImbus | omri02: only a few people are working on the iRiver port. Namely LinusN |
| 15:07:31 | lImbus | Zagor and Bagder see him daily, so they are on track as well |
| 15:07:52 | omri02 | well, you know when thay might be here? |
| 15:07:55 | lImbus | That hardware-contribution-thingy may be VERY intresting. Try to bug them :-) |
| 15:08:03 | lImbus | no, I don't know anything. |
| 15:08:22 | omri02 | allso, do you know if there is anyone here in israel? |
| 15:08:31 | omri02 | that is a part of the project that is |
| 15:08:34 | lImbus | mhmm. not that I know |
| 15:08:37 | omri02 | i whold love to contribute... |
| 15:08:57 | lImbus | yeah |
| 15:09:07 | omri02 | am a programer with some knolidge in asm but never programed embedded, sounds perty intrasting |
| 15:09:31 | lImbus | it actually is |
| 15:09:55 | omri02 | are you an embedded programer |
| 15:09:56 | omri02 | ? |
| 15:10:00 | lImbus | sosh: http://www.rockbox.org/docs/devicechart.html |
| 15:10:01 | omri02 | where are you from? |
| 15:10:07 | lImbus | this shows all devices |
| 15:10:16 | lImbus | omri02: belgium/germany |
| 15:10:29 | omri02 | ok |
| 15:10:37 | lImbus | sosh: if the devices look the same, it should work on both |
| 15:10:37 | omri02 | are you a programer? |
| 15:10:58 | lImbus | yup, but I did not yet contribute actively to rockbox-code |
| 15:12:09 | lImbus | omri02: see this for a progress-indicator: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort |
| 15:12:13 | sosh | Thnx lImbus !! |
| 15:12:29 | lImbus | sosh: what ? thats all ? problem solved ? |
| 15:12:39 | omri02 | yea, i sow that but its kinda out of date... |
| 15:12:56 | sosh | hm . now i know that i need to search some bended pin or such .. |
| 15:13:01 | omri02 | i sow a post in the forums with a more advanced screenshot |
| 15:13:10 | lImbus | oh, yeah, of course |
| 15:13:28 | * | lImbus gets to get some cookies, as there is a coworker celebrating his birthday. |
| 15:13:29 | sosh | lImbus: you speak german ? |
| 15:13:47 | omri02 | http://bjorn.haxx.se/iriver_display.jpg |
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| 15:23:34 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: r u there? |
| 15:24:13 | [IDC]Dragon | yes |
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| 15:27:05 | elinenbe | bonjour |
| 15:28:00 | jyp | Guten tag |
| 15:30:38 | lImbus | sosh: yes, I speak german |
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| 15:33:10 | sosh | nice ;) so i dont need to gon on with my bad english |
| 15:38:58 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I took a look at the alternative boot rom from this odd player. It did not yet analyze the details, but it seems this is a newer rom |
| 15:39:33 | amiconn | It contains some more code, but the crucial routines (descramble, uart boot etc) look like they are the same |
| 15:40:19 | amiconn | Only the first ~6000 bytes are used, and the unused area is zeroed (not 0xFF as with the old rom) |
| 15:42:40 | [IDC]Dragon | did you see a uart boot? |
| 15:42:50 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, sorry |
| 15:42:59 | elinenbe | which player is this? |
| 15:43:02 | [IDC]Dragon | overlooked that |
| 15:43:25 | [IDC]Dragon | so we can emable that CRC |
| 15:44:32 | [IDC]Dragon | what tells you it's newer? |
| 15:50:18 | sosh | hm. can anybody definitly say, that there no different Hardware versions on the Jukebox Recorder 20 sold ? |
| 15:51:48 | sosh | are there schematics for the recorder 20 v1 available ? |
| 15:53:18 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I only guess it's newer because there is more code |
| 15:53:59 | amiconn | I plan to do a more thorough analysis in the evening |
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| 16:02:06 | [IDC]Dragon | the fact that the Ondio also has our "classic" bootloader leads me to believe the exotic one is older |
| 16:02:18 | [IDC]Dragon | but, it doesn't matter at all |
| 16:06:48 | lImbus | sosh: no, nobody can say. from what we know, any recorder v1 has remote-support. self-made shematics would be in the wiki, if we had. |
| 16:07:33 | lImbus | sosh: http://www.rockbox.org/schematics/ |
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| 16:09:33 | sosh | IImbus: i found out, that the serial remote is connectet to the Port B 10 / RxD1, i'll check this , when i found the Port b ;) |
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| 16:20:03 | lImbus | sosh: good luck |
| 16:21:04 | sosh | thnx ;) |
| 16:25:02 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: If this is an old boot rom, I wonder why the flash of this box is rather new (5.06/5.08, same as mine) |
| 16:26:22 | sosh | lImbus: refering to the doc its pin109 of the SH-1 beast ... |
| 16:27:21 | lImbus | dunno, never had a look at that |
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| 16:44:55 | elinenbe | amiconn, [IDC]Dragon: do either of you have the iriver player? |
| 16:53:05 | amiconn | Not me |
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| 17:02:11 | [IDC]Dragon | nope |
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| 18:40:50 | sosh | ok. i did some measurement. |
| 18:41:25 | sosh | the remote must be connectet to pin 116 (, not 109, was my fault) |
| 18:42:24 | sosh | the recorder, wich remote dosnt work got a resistence of 2k ohm between the ear phone serial remote pin and the Pin 116 |
| 18:42:57 | sosh | and the workin recorder got a resistence oh 0 (zero) ohm |
| 18:45:03 | sosh | and there layout is a little different different.. |
| 18:47:25 | sosh | lImbus: what do you think? |
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| 19:05:58 | [IDC]Dragon | sosh: I think you can fix it :-) |
| 19:09:38 | sosh | i'am only a litte bit confused. theres seem to be no restitor between the SH-1 Pin and the *outside world* , isnt that a little bit unsecure ? |
| 19:10:42 | sosh | my electronic skills arn't that good, but in most cases there are resistors to the outside world to prevent to much current ?! |
| 19:18:19 | [IDC]Dragon | you won't find resistors on the outher interface pins, neiter |
| 19:18:54 | [IDC]Dragon | sometimes inductors, to prevent EMC to travel in and out |
| 19:19:32 | sosh | hm ok. but even an inductor must have some ohms ? |
| 19:19:56 | [IDC]Dragon | many of the FM models have no remote option, but only lack a zero ohm resistor, everything else is prepared |
| 19:21:01 | [IDC]Dragon | so I suggest tracing from jack to PB10, maybe you find an empty footprint |
| 19:21:42 | sosh | pardon my bad english, what means *lack ? |
| 19:21:57 | [IDC]Dragon | missing |
| 19:22:13 | sosh | thnx |
| 19:23:00 | sosh | i'll try to solde a direct cable between PB10 and the ear jack |
| 19:23:12 | [IDC]Dragon | that'll do |
| 19:24:16 | sosh | thnx. i'll let you know what happend ;) |
| 19:30:56 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon, Bagder: I just had an idea how to prevent unnecessary disk spinups on shutdown. |
| 19:31:20 | [IDC]Dragon | yes? |
| 19:31:37 | amiconn | The spinup is there to save the config, but we only need to save if something really changed. |
| 19:32:31 | amiconn | So we could calculate a checksum across the config block (or global settings structure, doesn't matter which one) directly after loading the settings. |
| 19:33:10 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, ok, I'm glad you didn't want to back it up |
| 19:33:42 | amiconn | This checksum will only be updated if the configuration gets saved. |
| 19:33:56 | [IDC]Dragon | that CRC routine should be exported into a module, it's useful at various places |
| 19:34:14 | [IDC]Dragon | I already regret doing only a CRC16 |
| 19:34:20 | amiconn | On shutdown, we calculate the checksum again and compare with the stored one. The config gets only saved when there is a difference |
| 19:35:17 | amiconn | You do have a crc32 routine, don't you? (Iirc it's in the flash plugin(s)) |
| 19:35:46 | [IDC]Dragon | yes |
| 19:35:58 | amiconn | Rather than doing the calculate and compare on shutdown only, this could be done in the config save itself, only saving if something changed |
| 19:36:14 | [IDC]Dragon | but the boot rom CRC is already popular in 16 bit |
| 19:36:30 | [IDC]Dragon | btw, the settings already have a checksum |
| 19:36:38 | [IDC]Dragon | a primitive one |
| 19:36:45 | amiconn | Yes it is, but there is nothing that prevents us to calculate a crc32 and switch over |
| 19:36:56 | [IDC]Dragon | we could change that into a CRC |
| 19:38:06 | amiconn | I vaguely remember that the config block is pretty much filled up, but when I checked my disk images while searching for the fat16 problems, I found it isn't. |
| 19:38:34 | amiconn | The config block is defined to be 256 bytes, but one sector has twice the space... |
| 19:38:38 | [IDC]Dragon | the RTC is, not the sector |
| 19:38:59 | amiconn | RTC is much smaller, I know |
| 19:41:02 | amiconn | The config block checksum is 16 bit |
| 19:41:31 | [IDC]Dragon | so we could change this into a CRC16 |
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| 19:42:07 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, no |
| 19:42:27 | [IDC]Dragon | it's the checksum across the RTC part only (I guess) |
| 19:42:30 | amiconn | ...and is calculated across the RTC block only, which is the opposite of what we need for the HD settings. |
| 19:43:10 | amiconn | We would need 2 checksums, one across the RTC part, and one across the HD part (resp. across both parts for units without RTC) |
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| 19:44:26 | [IDC]Dragon | the RTC part is on the HD, too |
| 19:44:39 | [IDC]Dragon | so you only need that |
| 19:45:44 | amiconn | That would be sub-optimal, because if (on units with RTC) only RTC settings are changed, we wouldn't need to save the HD settings |
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| 19:46:45 | [IDC]Dragon | we do, because on boot the RTC part gets overloaded by the HD sector, iirc |
| 19:47:14 | [IDC]Dragon | sorry, can't be |
| 19:47:33 | [IDC]Dragon | else the resume info, etc, would be useless |
| 19:48:28 | amiconn | Btw, in order to implement my idea the checksum does not need to be stored on disk, or within the RTC. |
| 19:49:10 | amiconn | The RTC-stored checksum is there only to detect invalid config blocks (because either the block format changed, or the RTC is cleared from power loss etc) |
| 19:49:21 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, that's true |
| 19:50:01 | [IDC]Dragon | still, a CRC16 there would be better than a plain 16 bit checksum |
| 19:50:02 | amiconn | But the checksum(s) could be used for both purposes... |
| 19:51:21 | amiconn | Of course. |
| 19:52:15 | [IDC]Dragon | except for speed |
| 19:52:37 | [IDC]Dragon | this checksum must get written with every RTC update?! |
| 19:52:54 | [IDC]Dragon | which is every second during playback, iirc |
| 19:53:29 | [IDC]Dragon | btw, there are more configs in other sectors |
| 19:53:38 | amiconn | Yes, but I don't think this is a problem. |
| 19:53:52 | [IDC]Dragon | e.g. the pathname of the current file |
| 19:54:09 | amiconn | ??? |
| 19:54:25 | [IDC]Dragon | all which requires a full path and is not of fixed, short length |
| 19:54:39 | [IDC]Dragon | but I never looked into that |
| 19:55:08 | [IDC]Dragon | I only remember Linus saying so |
| 19:55:32 | amiconn | I do only know exactly one config sector, which has the delayed write. The currently playing playlist is controlled by the playlist control file, and the resume position is *not* stored as a path |
| 19:55:43 | amiconn | ...but only as an index into the playlist |
| 19:56:02 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe that has changed meanwhile |
| 19:56:19 | [IDC]Dragon | my knowledge is older than the playlist control file |
| 19:57:03 | [IDC]Dragon | in general, the "trend" was to move away from this special sector, in favour of a plain config file |
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| 19:57:42 | [IDC]Dragon | has the advantage that you can delete it from USB to get rid of malicious settings |
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| 19:58:25 | [IDC]Dragon | I still want to implement that "use only default settings" boot hotkey |
| 19:58:49 | [IDC]Dragon | like a safe mode, but we have no F4 ;-) |
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| 20:00:05 | amiconn | As long as I code for rockbox, the playlist and resume mechanism has always been the same. |
| 20:00:13 | * | [IDC]Dragon needs to leave |
| 20:00:30 | amiconn | I just checked cvs; the resume index was there since August 2002 or so |
| 20:00:49 | [IDC]Dragon | and the control file? |
| 20:01:56 | amiconn | Need to check, but I believe this is even older |
| 20:02:36 | amiconn | The control file does only need updating when you change the playlist itself (add, delete etc), not while just playing |
| 20:02:36 | [IDC]Dragon | I really gotta go, cu |
| 20:02:41 | amiconn | l8er |
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| 20:21:48 | markuman | sry. what is rockbox? |
| 20:22:06 | webmind | opensource firmware |
| 20:22:15 | webmind | made originally for the archos jukebox |
| 20:22:55 | markuman | oh...ok. thx |
| 20:23:23 | webmind | np |
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| 20:36:53 | zeekoe | help! :-/ |
| 20:37:07 | zeekoe | i get a I09: CPUAdrEr |
| 20:37:12 | zeekoe | what do i do wrong? |
| 20:38:18 | zeekoe | i added an extra setting in the menu, but when i enter the menu item, i get this |
| 20:49:12 | amiconn | Do you get a warning when you compile this? |
| 20:49:34 | amiconn | The settings functions make extensive use of pointers. |
| 20:50:10 | amiconn | Perhaps you hand one such function a value where it expects a pointer. |
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| 20:59:01 | zeekoe | no warnings at all |
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| 21:01:13 | zeekoe | so it's something with pointers? |
| 21:01:30 | zeekoe | hmm.. my mommy says i need to drink tea... |
| 21:01:34 | zeekoe | btw, here's the diff |
| 21:01:37 | zeekoe | http://home.student.utwente.nl/r.teune/autoloadconfig.diff |
| 21:02:00 | amiconn | I think so. Pointers are 32 bit (long) values, and the SH1 CPU doesn't like it if long values are not 32 bit aligned. |
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| 21:02:36 | zeekoe | ok |
| 21:05:40 | amiconn | zeekoe: The problems is most likely in static bool autoloadconfig(void) |
| 21:06:01 | amiconn | Your new setting is a boolean setting (yes/no), and has to be handled as such |
| 21:06:35 | amiconn | This is even much simpler, look at e.g. static bool status_bar(void) how this is done |
| 21:07:37 | amiconn | In your implementation, you hand the settings function a pointer to a bool, but tell it that this is an int pointer... |
| 21:08:05 | amiconn | static bool autoloadconfig(void) |
| 21:08:06 | amiconn | { |
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| 21:08:58 | amiconn | return set_bool( str(LANG_AUTOLOADCONFIG), &global_settings.autoloadconfig ); |
| 21:09:01 | amiconn | } |
| 21:10:49 | zeekoe | that's easy... |
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| 21:12:24 | zeekoe | the compiler likes it, for a start |
| 21:16:20 | zeekoe | it works :) |
| 21:16:24 | zeekoe | thanks! |
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| 22:14:46 | [IDC]Dragon | hi again |
| 22:14:57 | amiconn | re |
| 22:15:03 | [IDC]Dragon | I should install an IRC client on this notebook |
| 22:15:28 | [IDC]Dragon | on the desktop, I have mirc, but don't like it too much |
| 22:15:37 | [IDC]Dragon | any recommendations? |
| 22:15:49 | * | Bagder uses xchat, even on windows |
| 22:15:52 | amiconn | I'm using HydraIRC. Imho it's quite good |
| 22:16:54 | amiconn | I was slightly wrong concerning the playlist control file. This was added with dynamic playlists, on 1 Jul 2003 |
| 22:20:53 | amiconn | I tried Xchat before; I didn't like it... |
| 22:22:45 | [IDC]Dragon | me neither |
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| 22:28:50 | [IDC]Dragon2 | lots of stuff on screen here in HydraIRC |
| 22:29:58 | amiconn | Yup. But you can group, fold or disable any of these additional windows - very flexible |
| 22:30:00 | [IDC]Dragon2 | better now, I clicked most of it away |
| 22:30:17 | [IDC]Dragon | bye CGIIRC |
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| 22:31:31 | elinenbe | amiconn: HydraIRC is VERY nice.... tight, clean, and quick |
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| 22:32:17 | [IDC]Dragon2 | how do I change my nick? set |away? |
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| 22:35:20 | [IDC]Dragon | ... that was a plain /nick command |
| 22:39:03 | elinenbe | [IDC]Dragon: you are on windows/ |
| 22:40:06 | [IDC]Dragon | ? |
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| 22:51:05 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: There are no strings in either bootrom :-/ |
| 22:51:34 | [IDC]Dragon | you mean, like a version? |
| 22:51:40 | amiconn | Yes |
| 22:51:45 | [IDC]Dragon | for ours, I know |
| 22:52:01 | amiconn | Really? |
| 22:52:09 | [IDC]Dragon | don't worry too much |
| 22:52:39 | [IDC]Dragon | if it does the same, we should just enable the CRC |
| 22:53:24 | amiconn | The alternate boot rom seems to have garbage where the 0xFF spaces are in the known one, except after ~6000 bytes it is zeroed out |
| 22:53:53 | amiconn | The main() routine is a little longer |
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| 23:12:54 | quelsaruk | hi |
| 23:12:56 | quelsaruk | good night |
| 23:13:22 | [IDC]Dragon | hi |
| 23:13:38 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: There is more code *before* the main() routine... |
| 23:14:27 | [IDC]Dragon | (no idea how to do highlighting in hydrairc) |
| 23:15:39 | amiconn | Options->Prefs..., then Buddy Groups->Notifications |
| 23:16:06 | amiconn | This takes regexps, can colour the highlight text or the line, play a sound... |
| 23:21:54 | SoulEata | so is rockbox looking into the h3xx series at all? |
| 23:22:43 | Bagder | SoulEata: rockbox is many independent humans |
| 23:23:13 | Bagder | we focus on the h1xx to start with |
| 23:23:14 | SoulEata | right but as a group I'm sure they decide what to work on next |
| 23:23:38 | Bagder | you can affect when the work on the h3xx starts |
| 23:23:41 | Bagder | everyone can |
| 23:24:15 | SoulEata | and hows that |
| 23:24:16 | Bagder | there's another group of people working with the gmini |
| 23:24:27 | Bagder | SoulEata: research it |
| 23:24:50 | Bagder | do the same work on the 3xx that is being done on the 1xx |
| 23:25:26 | Bagder | we are but all volounteers and spare time hackers |
| 23:25:56 | SoulEata | yeah I know. Do you plan on working on the h3xx after the h1xx though? |
| 23:26:19 | Bagder | perhaps |
| 23:26:27 | Bagder | if we get enough help |
| 23:26:40 | Bagder | we've bought 1xx players to work on |
| 23:26:44 | SoulEata | yeah |
| 23:26:46 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: The InitMem/CopyMem routines are strange... |
| 23:27:12 | SoulEata | hows the 1xx work going? |
| 23:27:23 | Bagder | slow, but progressing |
| 23:27:40 | SoulEata | whats the largest progression you think has been made thus far |
| 23:28:01 | quelsaruk | amiconn: sorry to bother you again with the HOWTO question, but... do you have some kind of .voice file howto? :D i'll never give up :P |
| 23:28:07 | Bagder | SoulEata: you mean that is irivier-specific? |
| 23:28:25 | SoulEata | yeah |
| 23:28:32 | amiconn | quelsaruk: Hrrrrmmm, still nothing :( |
| 23:28:37 | Bagder | just the fact that we can boot, flash and run on the unit |
| 23:28:53 | Bagder | all thanks to Linus' hard work |
| 23:29:41 | quelsaruk | amiconn: do you have some notes or anything that could help me? i could try to make the howto if you give me some indications and a start point on how to make a .voice file :) |
| 23:31:08 | amiconn | There is the old rough readme on [IDC]Dragon's web space. However, I refined the process quite a bit (plus some special case that is unhandled in the old description). |
| 23:31:23 | amiconn | I also refined the tools, and made a VBScript |
| 23:32:24 | quelsaruk | maybe with your refined tools and [IDC]Dragon old readme i can mess a bit and make it work :) |
| 23:32:25 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Your CopyMem disassembly is slightly wrong |
| 23:33:13 | [IDC]Dragon | highlight still not working |
| 23:34:30 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: I don't care any more, boot ROM chapter on the "classic" one is closed ;-) |
| 23:35:18 | quelsaruk | ( [IDC]Dragon i use kvirc, just in case you want to test. It has highlight and a small pop-up screen that appears when someones calls you or query you) |
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| 23:37:49 | [IDC]Dragon | hydrairc crashed on me |
| 23:38:11 | [IDC]Dragon | but good night anyway |
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| 23:38:34 | amiconn | I never managed to crash Hydra, strange... |
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| 23:45:25 | quelsaruk | amiconn: what's your answer? |
| 23:49:25 | amiconn | I hope to get a wiki article done asap. Currently I'm busy analyzing that alternate boot rom :( |
| 23:50:07 | quelsaruk | ok, don´t worry :) |
| 23:51:12 | quelsaruk | then, going to sleep! cu another day! |
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