| 00:00:17 | lImbus_ | windows-plugin ? |
| 00:00:24 | * | Zagor has never ran itunes |
| 00:00:43 | mrfry3 | currently on archos site only mac is supported |
| 00:00:46 | lImbus_ | I had a windows version of itunes installed a few month ago. |
| 00:00:57 | lImbus_ | euh ? |
| 00:01:32 | lImbus_ | something on the archos website led you think the gemini would work with mac only ? |
| 00:01:45 | mrfry3 | there is a [plugin for mac so archos players can sync using itunes |
| 00:02:00 | lImbus_ | ah, thats additional. |
| 00:02:11 | lImbus_ | for windows, you don't need no itunes :-) |
| 00:02:37 | mrfry3 | instead i get musicmatch |
| 00:02:52 | lImbus_ | I don't know these devices, but I'm pretty sure these devices need no other software to communicate with windows |
| 00:03:20 | lImbus_ | musicmatch helps like itunes to manage your tons of music. i dislike both |
| 00:03:55 | mrfry3 | is there a way to update the arclibrary without musicmatch |
| 00:04:04 | Zagor | mrfry3: just copy your files to the player. no special software needed. |
| 00:04:35 | lImbus_ | arclibrary ? |
| 00:06:09 | Zagor | ahh, archos has started with an id3 database: ARClibrary |
| 00:06:19 | mrfry3 | archos has something installedyes |
| 00:06:25 | Bagder | oh |
| 00:06:53 | Zagor | would be fun to try, comparing it to mine :) |
| 00:07:10 | Bagder | how's that going btw? |
| 00:07:21 | mrfry3 | if you just copy directly w/o musicmatch, they db never updates |
| 00:07:32 | mrfry3 | they=the |
| 00:07:59 | Zagor | the first version is nearly committable. i "just" need to break out all directory-specific code from tree.c |
| 00:10:13 | Zagor | making tree.c more abstract, calling code from filetree.c and dbtree.c |
| 00:10:36 | mrfry3 | any idea when rockbox will work with gmini? |
| 00:11:44 | Bagder | no :-) |
| 00:11:52 | Bagder | not today |
| 00:11:55 | Bagder | not next week |
| 00:11:56 | jyp | quite some time |
| 00:12:17 | jyp | if you want sound to be played... |
| 00:12:21 | lImbus_ | we should announce a date for the iRiver and gmini port. we should announce ANY date so these questions get muted. |
| 00:12:35 | jyp | Nothing before 2 months ;) |
| 00:12:39 | lImbus_ | and if 'we' fail, we claim the vaporware-award |
| 00:12:44 | Zagor | lImbus: we don't announce dates. we can't make such promises. |
| 00:12:56 | Bagder | fixed dates are for the weak ;-) |
| 00:13:04 | mrfry3 | lol |
| 00:13:27 | lImbus_ | jo, I know. was for fun. it's the saying that gets my boss to his ends: "it's ready when it's ready" |
| 00:13:29 | Zagor | fixed dates are for marketing departments. we don't have one. |
| 00:13:34 | lImbus_ | yay |
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| 00:14:19 | Zagor | lImbus: i was hoping you were joking. i just couldn't risk it ;) |
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| 00:15:28 | lImbus_ | thats so true |
| 00:18:42 | JohnP67 | Anyone out there? |
| 00:18:51 | Zagor | yes |
| 00:19:02 | Bagder | I'm in here |
| 00:19:06 | Bagder | not out there! |
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| 00:19:30 | JohnP67 | Does anyone have time for a few newbie questions regarding Rockbox? |
| 00:19:43 | bagawk | yes |
| 00:19:48 | jyp | Who's Alan Korr ? |
| 00:19:50 | Bagder | JohnP67: fire away! |
| 00:20:00 | Bagder | jyp: he hasn't been around in years |
| 00:20:24 | jyp | ok.. Still looking for the ATA guru "out there" ;) |
| 00:20:36 | Zagor | jyp: what do you need to know? |
| 00:20:42 | Bagder | Zagor and LinusN are two suitable ATA guys |
| 00:20:50 | jyp | Oh alright... |
| 00:20:56 | JohnP67 | Ok, where to start..first, to sum it up, I used the voicebox talk-mp3 to create folder/file names and did so correctly. However, my player seems to not play all of them. |
| 00:21:08 | jyp | There's a lot of people... I'm messing up the names. |
| 00:21:39 | jyp | I can't make out how some registers are mapped to the gmini's ide controller... |
| 00:22:14 | jyp | is there some kind of standard for that ? |
| 00:23:21 | Zagor | no. as you can see from the other devices supported, the registers can be located quite differently. |
| 00:23:40 | jyp | Ok... |
| 00:24:01 | Zagor | no info in the data sheets? |
| 00:24:15 | jyp | no data sheet at all |
| 00:24:21 | Zagor | ow |
| 00:24:48 | jyp | Or with nothing related to programming the device |
| 00:25:01 | jyp | that's why I thought it could be standard |
| 00:25:32 | Zagor | but you added this to the emulator, didn't you? |
| 00:25:42 | jyp | Yes |
| 00:25:57 | jyp | but archos firmware do not use some registers that you do use |
| 00:26:03 | Zagor | such as? |
| 00:26:25 | jyp | ATA_SELECT |
| 00:27:03 | jyp | or maybe i don't emulate it correctly |
| 00:28:02 | Zagor | ah, ok those "generic" registers are always in the same order. that's in the ata spec. i thought you meant the data and control registers. |
| 00:28:15 | Zagor | sorry for the confusion |
| 00:28:29 | jyp | np |
| 00:28:39 | jyp | I don't understand what's going o anyways |
| 00:28:47 | jyp | (don't ask me how I did the emulator) |
| 00:28:52 | Zagor | :) |
| 00:28:53 | lImbus_ | lol |
| 00:29:00 | Zagor | what's happening? |
| 00:29:29 | lImbus_ | I was about to ask him how he did the emu... |
| 00:29:57 | LinusN | JohnP67: not all of them? |
| 00:31:36 | JohnP67 | No, not all of them. Some folders and files just bring silence, while others are spoken with numbers. |
| 00:31:54 | JohnP67 | Most work fine. The vast majority. |
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| 00:35:39 | LinusN | weird |
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| 00:35:54 | LinusN | maybe it has something to do with the filenames? |
| 00:36:29 | JohnP67 | In what way? It is a few folders and file names, btw. No pattern I can determine. |
| 00:37:06 | LinusN | give me an example, filename and file size |
| 00:38:55 | JohnP67 | I divide music into folders based on bands/artists. So, example, Alan Parsons, or, Emerson, Lake & Palmer aren't spoken, but Asia, ELO and others are. |
| 00:39:28 | JohnP67 | I would have to have the unit hooked up to see the files not being spoken, but they are in the rockbox directory. The music tracks seem to all be spoken. |
| 00:39:38 | JohnP67 | within the individual folders |
| 00:40:41 | LinusN | they are in the rockbox directory? |
| 00:41:21 | JohnP67 | Yes, all are. Is that a problem? It seemed like the best place to put them. |
| 00:42:39 | jyp | 'Nite all |
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| 00:42:46 | LinusN | i'm not a voice file user myself, but i thought the .talk files were supposed to be in the same location as the music directory |
| 00:43:07 | LinusN | (or was it inside the dir...?) |
| 00:44:18 | lImbus_ | I am voice user |
| 00:44:23 | lImbus_ | voice directory user |
| 00:44:27 | LinusN | yes, every directory should contain a "dirname.talk" file |
| 00:44:31 | JohnP67 | They are created within each folder. You have a dirname.talk.mp3, and individual talk clip files for each file within that folder. What seems to be the only pattern is the folder names not spoken are all in the rockbox folder. Thing is, most are spken there. It's about five that aren't |
| 00:44:33 | lImbus_ | yup |
| 00:45:01 | lImbus_ | ahh, we are messing up dir-voice and file-voice |
| 00:45:20 | LinusN | JohnP67: but why on earth have all the music in the rockbox dir? |
| 00:45:57 | JohnP67 | Good question. Lol. It just seemed the convenient thing to do. |
| 00:46:11 | LinusN | and it's "dirname.talk", not "dirname.talk.mp3" |
| 00:46:22 | JohnP67 | I didn't think that would make a difference according to the documentation. |
| 00:46:32 | JohnP67 | Right |
| 00:47:00 | LinusN | the rockbox dir should only contain rockbox and its associated files |
| 00:47:50 | LinusN | not that it does any harm, but it simplifies a few things, like not having to set the "All files" view option |
| 00:47:54 | JohnP67 | Ok, I'll try moving the music out.Not sure if that is the problem, but who knows. This is all new to me. |
| 00:48:03 | LinusN | that is probably not the problem |
| 00:48:25 | LinusN | i suspect either the dir name or the file contents |
| 00:48:36 | LinusN | too bad you can't give me an example |
| 00:49:09 | JohnP67 | Emerson, lake and Plamer, and Alan Parsons, are two folders that aren't being spoken. |
| 00:49:53 | LinusN | that would be "/.rockbox/Emerson, Lake & Palmer/dirname.talk" then? |
| 00:50:54 | JohnP67 | Yes, that's it |
| 00:51:00 | Zagor | exactly like that? |
| 00:51:08 | Zagor | the details are very important |
| 00:51:55 | JohnP67 | Ok, give me a second and I'll check |
| 00:51:57 | LinusN | looking at the code, the dir name shoudln't matter |
| 00:52:57 | LinusN | please check that there really is a dirname.talk file, and that it isn't 0 bytes |
| 00:57:03 | JohnP67 | Yes, exactly how you wrote the file name, Linus. And each one ranges between 1 and 1.5 kb |
| 00:58:21 | LinusN | hmmm |
| 00:58:32 | lImbus_ | my files are bigger for less longer dirnames |
| 00:58:43 | LinusN | can you send me the dirname.talk file? |
| 00:58:55 | JohnP67 | I'm using Crystal as my rockbox and Marry for the talk files. Is that a problem? |
| 00:59:03 | LinusN | 1kb is pretty small |
| 00:59:20 | JohnP67 | Ok, where to send it? |
| 00:59:45 | LinusN | are the working dirname.talk files that small too? |
| 00:59:57 | LinusN | send it to linus at haxx.se |
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| 01:00:16 | JohnP67 | Hold on, I'll check |
| 01:02:34 | Zagor | i'm off to bed. see you. |
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| 01:03:13 | Bagder | me too |
| 01:03:16 | Bagder | night! |
| 01:03:19 | bagawk | bye |
| 01:03:35 | lImbus_ | uh, nite |
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| 01:06:39 | JohnP67 | I'll email you the one of the files, Linus. I'll also compare it to working ones. Stuck on the phone... |
| 01:09:21 | JohnP67 | You still here, Linus? |
| 01:09:24 | LinusN | another guess is that the script might have problems with spaces or other chars in the dir names |
| 01:10:41 | JohnP67 | Hmm. I'll experiment, but you might be onto something about the size. Alan Parsons is only 1.5 kb. The working ones, which are shorter in name, are more on average. |
| 01:11:45 | LinusN | try copying a working file into the alan parsons dir |
| 01:11:58 | LinusN | and see if it is spoken |
| 01:12:50 | JohnP67 | Ok, I'll try that. Two other quick questions befoe I have to run. First, is the disk info for disk space accurate? Secondly, how does one create a play list with specific songs? Can this be done as a blind person? |
| 01:14:25 | LinusN | 1) the disk space info is not always accurate, since Windows doesn't always update that information on the disk |
| 01:15:01 | LinusN | 2) You use the on+play (or hold-play) menu to queue the files, and then save the dynamic playlist |
| 01:15:35 | LinusN | 3) don't know |
| 01:15:51 | JohnP67 | Ok, but I get no speech when I try to cue files. I was told that some areas with music playing won't be able to have speech work at the same time. |
| 01:16:16 | LinusN | JohnP67: true, the speech is disabled while playing music |
| 01:16:28 | LinusN | however, you don't have to play music to queue files |
| 01:17:02 | JohnP67 | Really? I don't see a cue option when I do on and play to get file menu. I see rename, delete and open with. |
| 01:18:26 | LinusN | when selecting an mp3 file? |
| 01:19:05 | JohnP67 | Yes, if I am in a folder of MP3 files, I only have rename, open with, delete, create folder and one other thing. No cue option |
| 01:20:00 | LinusN | when i hold Play on an mp3 file, i get "playlist" as my first option |
| 01:20:16 | LinusN | followed by rename, delete etc |
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| 01:20:35 | JohnP67 | Yes, I get that, and then insert. Is that how you cue the file? |
| 01:20:51 | LinusN | yes, playlist->insert |
| 01:21:05 | LinusN | but the damn thing starts playing... |
| 01:21:11 | LinusN | :-( |
| 01:21:14 | JohnP67 | Ok, I'll try that. Stupid me was thinking there is a cue option. |
| 01:21:23 | LinusN | (haven't used that feature myself) |
| 01:21:58 | JohnP67 | I'll give it a shot and email you one of the non-working files. Thank you for all your help and your time. |
| 01:22:08 | LinusN | looks like it's still unusable for blind people, since it starts playing |
| 01:22:38 | JohnP67 | Well, I'll find out. It would be nice to create a play list manually, but I'll mess around. |
| 01:23:08 | lImbus_ | need some sleep, cu later |
| 01:23:09 | LinusN | i don't think it should start playing |
| 01:23:13 | LinusN | me too |
| 01:23:16 | LinusN | nite all |
| 01:23:31 | JohnP67 | Later then |
| 01:23:35 | lImbus_ | LinusN: yes, startnig to play busts it... |
| 01:23:36 | LinusN | yup |
| 01:23:44 | LinusN | silly, imho |
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| 09:35:55 | Zagor | morning all |
| 09:36:02 | LinusN | mooning |
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| 10:23:24 | LinusN | ho ho ho |
| 10:24:10 | Bagder | any progress on my archos, santa? |
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| 14:49:31 | Zagor | woo, now i can toggle between id3 browser and file browser |
| 14:49:48 | LinusN | woweeeee |
| 14:50:30 | Lynx_ | is that part of the db project? |
| 14:50:50 | Zagor | how do we want to do that, btw? currently I have a setting menu->general settings->file view->browse mode. |
| 14:50:53 | Zagor | Lynx_: yes |
| 14:51:35 | Zagor | i know: an F button! ;-) |
| 14:51:48 | LinusN | Zagor: you mean file view->"Music only", "Playlist", "All", "ID3"? |
| 14:52:18 | Zagor | ah, that's a nicer way |
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| 15:13:52 | [IDC]Dragon | what's the footprint of ID browsing? |
| 15:14:23 | Bagder | probably enough to kill some rombox... |
| 15:14:39 | Bagder | we should make a special build option for rombox |
| 15:14:46 | Bagder | so that we can ifdef out features for it |
| 15:15:10 | [IDC]Dragon | no, we should make a special loader |
| 15:15:29 | Bagder | loader? |
| 15:15:31 | Zagor | linus is on it :) |
| 15:15:45 | dwihno | loader? |
| 15:15:48 | LinusN | ...says zagor |
| 15:15:52 | Zagor | just kidding |
| 15:16:09 | [IDC]Dragon | instead of the Archos firmware in the first part |
| 15:16:13 | dwihno | like the archos firmware? but just a tiny stub in the flashed part? |
| 15:16:19 | [IDC]Dragon | an emergency Rockbox |
| 15:16:20 | Bagder | ah |
| 15:16:45 | [IDC]Dragon | which can charge, boot .ajz, and USB mode |
| 15:16:51 | Zagor | we'd might need some charging code in that stub |
| 15:17:19 | dwihno | How about the charge-while-USB issue? :) |
| 15:17:25 | dwihno | Feels like I'm bringing it up too often |
| 15:20:11 | [IDC]Dragon | I have a name for it: how about "bootbox"? |
| 15:21:01 | LinusN | rocksolid |
| 15:21:07 | Zagor | my db-enabled rockbox.bin is currently 1300 bytes larger than release 2.4 |
| 15:21:46 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, that's small |
| 15:22:13 | Zagor | yeah. i wonder if i've removed something vital :-) |
| 15:22:39 | [IDC]Dragon | more feature per byte than my 900-byte multivolume |
| 15:22:48 | Bagder | :-) |
| 15:23:06 | Zagor | it will grow more, though. the database browser is only very simple yet |
| 15:23:26 | LinusN | and let's not talk about the bugs-per-byte factor :-) |
| 15:23:40 | [IDC]Dragon | the UI part is usually what takes the most |
| 15:23:49 | Zagor | LinusN: i think i'm gonna win that :-) |
| 15:24:18 | [IDC]Dragon | multivolume had a bug, too |
| 15:24:26 | LinusN | but you'll never beat my errors-per-commit factor :-) |
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| 15:24:41 | [IDC]Dragon | ;-) |
| 15:25:04 | Zagor | hehe |
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| 15:27:10 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: can we do SQL queries onthe box? |
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| 15:30:14 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: only if you install sqlserver.rock, it's only 35megabytes |
| 15:30:53 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, ok |
| 15:31:44 | [IDC]Dragon | good thing that I ordered some more of these RAM chips |
| 15:33:04 | LinusN | hehe |
| 15:33:19 | LinusN | how much were they? |
| 15:34:15 | [IDC]Dragon | I don't know yet |
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| 16:37:07 | bagawk | hey [IDC]Dragon |
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| 16:46:02 | [IDC]Dragon | that was too quick for me |
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| 16:54:15 | lImbus | salut |
| 16:54:26 | jyp | hey |
| 16:59:26 | zeekoe | hi |
| 16:59:41 | dwihno | haiduk |
| 16:59:57 | zeekoe | nooooo... not that song |
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| 17:00:28 | dwihno | \o/ |
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| 17:16:38 | lImbus | jyp: you have to resend your patch |
| 17:16:53 | lImbus | the list does not take attachment but text-attachments |
| 17:31:36 | jyp | ok |
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| 17:35:10 | jyp_ | Does it mean you want inline text ? |
| 17:35:40 | jyp_ | akf 5 minutes |
| 17:36:01 | [IDC]Dragon | why send patches to the mailing list, why not file them into the patch tracker? |
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| 17:47:31 | lImbus | [IDC]Dragon: Daniel told him to do :-) |
| 17:47:54 | lImbus | jyp_: me certainly not :-) |
| 17:49:24 | [IDC]Dragon | I think that was a mistake |
| 17:49:50 | [IDC]Dragon | I really suggest the patch tracker |
| 17:50:17 | lImbus | yup |
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| 18:04:59 | jyp_ | ok I'll have a look at it. |
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| 18:38:36 | zeekoe | hey Zagor |
| 18:38:40 | Zagor | hi |
| 18:39:13 | zeekoe | is it ok if i change this: global_settings.resume_index = -1; |
| 18:39:45 | zeekoe | into this: resume = NO; |
| 18:40:19 | zeekoe | would save a lot of ifs for me, and no change in functionality i think |
| 18:40:33 | zeekoe | btw, it's in here: |
| 18:40:47 | zeekoe | if ( global_settings.resume == RESUME_ASK_ONCE && ask_once) { |
| 18:40:47 | zeekoe | global_settings.resume_index = -1; |
| 18:40:47 | zeekoe | settings_save(); |
| 18:40:47 | zeekoe | } |
| 18:41:52 | Zagor | i don't understand. you want to create a #define NO -1 ? |
| 18:42:37 | zeekoe | uh... i'm not sure |
| 18:42:40 | zeekoe | * looks |
| 18:43:08 | zeekoe | no |
| 18:43:25 | zeekoe | there's resume, and resume_index |
| 18:44:03 | zeekoe | what RESUME_ASK_ONCE does after knowing user doesn't want to resume is making resume_index =-1 |
| 18:44:21 | zeekoe | but resume still stays RESUME_ASK_ONCE |
| 18:45:06 | zeekoe | this way everytime i check for resume == RESUME_ASK_ONCE, i have to check resume_index too |
| 18:46:09 | Zagor | yes. but if you set resume = NO, the user won't ever get the resume question again. and that's not the purpose of ask_once. |
| 18:46:46 | zeekoe | hmm, i see something like that, too now |
| 18:47:14 | zeekoe | so.. RESUME_ASK_ONCE only checks resume position at startup? |
| 18:47:18 | zeekoe | or is that incorrect |
| 18:47:26 | Zagor | that's correct |
| 18:52:47 | zeekoe | hmm... food |
| 18:52:53 | Zagor | good idea |
| 18:53:26 | zeekoe | but, my patch makes progress... |
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| 18:59:26 | amiconn | hi |
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| 19:04:19 | lImbus | hi |
| 19:13:26 | [IDC]Dragon | hi there |
| 19:25:52 | [IDC]Dragon | I gotta go |
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| 19:50:58 | amiconn | Bagder, Zagor: I ran into a slight problem concerning voice files :( |
| 19:51:25 | amiconn | I'm currently working on the variable stereo width feature. |
| 19:51:44 | amiconn | However, this means I need to deprecate some .lang strings. |
| 19:52:11 | amiconn | When I build a .voice file from that, this means those string are no longer spoken. |
| 19:52:45 | amiconn | Users of the 2.4 release updating their .voice file will run into this.... |
| 19:53:22 | amiconn | It seems we need 2 voice file versions in the wiki: One for the latest rockbox release, and one up to date with current cvs. |
| 19:54:46 | Zagor | don't deprecate, just add new ones |
| 19:55:31 | amiconn | I need to deprecate the old voice strings, to avoid growing the voice file too large. The voice files are rather tight. |
| 19:55:41 | Zagor | hmm, right |
| 19:56:21 | Zagor | two voice versions are reasonable imho |
| 19:58:26 | amiconn | With .lang / .lng there is no such problem, because the .lng files are always distributed with the matching rockbox version |
| 19:58:50 | Zagor | yes |
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| 20:47:42 | zeekoe | hmm... is in ondio the right button same as the play button? |
| 20:47:52 | amiconn | Yes. |
| 20:47:54 | zeekoe | bad |
| 20:47:59 | amiconn | Why? |
| 20:48:13 | zeekoe | i've almost finished the config loading thingy |
| 20:48:28 | zeekoe | it loads, for non-recorders, left.cfg or right.cfg |
| 20:48:37 | zeekoe | at the resume screen |
| 20:49:15 | zeekoe | so when loading right.cfg, playing is also started |
| 20:49:36 | amiconn | Hmm. Maybe use up/down on Ondio? |
| 20:49:55 | zeekoe | how's the player layout? |
| 20:49:59 | zeekoe | up = play? |
| 20:50:03 | Zagor | yes |
| 20:50:06 | zeekoe | ok |
| 20:50:29 | zeekoe | lol.. well, then i'll use up.cfg down.cfg on ondio... |
| 20:50:42 | Zagor | :) |
| 20:51:14 | zeekoe | keeps me off the streets ;-) |
| 20:52:39 | zeekoe | can i use #else if safely? |
| 20:52:44 | zeekoe | or #elseif |
| 20:55:06 | Zagor | yes |
| 20:55:12 | Zagor | #elsif |
| 20:56:51 | zeekoe | ok |
| 20:56:57 | zeekoe | i'll do that |
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| 21:00:58 | zeekoe | hm, compiler (?) doesn't like it. |
| 21:01:05 | zeekoe | i'll just use #else, #if |
| 21:02:00 | Zagor | i'm writing too much perl... cpp does not support elsif. |
| 21:02:13 | Bagder | #elif |
| 21:02:23 | Zagor | ah right |
| 21:04:54 | amiconn | zeekoe: it's #elif |
| 21:05:15 | amiconn | Zagor: Do you remember where the global settings struct is defined? |
| 21:08:54 | zeekoe | ok :) |
| 21:10:58 | zeekoe | amiconn: settings.* |
| 21:11:09 | zeekoe | it's defined as user & global |
| 21:11:45 | amiconn | Ok, thanks. The struct is defined in settings.h, the variable in settings.c |
| 21:13:17 | zeekoe | ok, that's possible |
| 21:13:31 | zeekoe | btw, can i use ^ for logical xor? |
| 21:13:41 | zeekoe | and what's the difference between logical and bitwise? |
| 21:14:22 | amiconn | ^ is always bitwise, but it behaves like logical xor if both operands are boolean |
| 21:14:33 | zeekoe | nice |
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| 21:22:14 | zeekoe | *yikes* it seems the statusbar is somehow linked to my autoloadconfig setting... |
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| 21:23:11 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi again! |
| 21:25:19 | zeekoe | hi |
| 21:26:36 | [IDC]Dragon | I forgot to tell: allofmp3.com is doubling their prices from the 15th on |
| 21:26:54 | [IDC]Dragon | that's why I'm in a hurry browsing their stock |
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| 21:28:55 | [IDC]Dragon | and their site is overloaded... :( |
| 21:34:55 | zeekoe | allofmp3... that was that half-legal site, wasn't it? |
| 21:35:28 | [IDC]Dragon | no, it's perfectly legal |
| 21:37:43 | zeekoe | but they didn't pay money to the record companies, did they? |
| 21:38:46 | [IDC]Dragon | they have negotiated a "flatrate" with russian authorities, pay them copyright fees |
| 21:39:11 | [IDC]Dragon | perhaps this has changed a bit now, and they have to raise |
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| 21:39:37 | zeekoe | ok |
| 21:42:40 | zeekoe | here's the new version of my patch, for those wanting to play around with it |
| 21:42:41 | zeekoe | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=44306&atid=439120&file_id=115451&aid=1096793 |
| 21:42:53 | zeekoe | tracker page: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1096793&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
| 21:43:29 | zeekoe | i've been programming enough this day... still doesn't work correctly though, when autoloadconfig is disabled |
| 21:43:52 | zeekoe | also, the code is crappy, but i don't have the knowledge to uncrappify it :) |
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| 22:08:09 | Bagder | Zagor: any comment on the attachement filtering of the mailing list? |
| 22:09:17 | Zagor | it was added to avoid all those html attachments people insist on sending (and vcards and other assorted junk) |
| 22:09:47 | Bagder | I think we should invert the filter and strip only those we don't want |
| 22:10:33 | Bagder | like text/html |
| 22:10:42 | Zagor | people tend to be rather imaginative when inventing mime types... |
| 22:10:50 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:11:01 | Bagder | but it seems pointless to strip good patches mailed to the list |
| 22:11:19 | Bagder | and they can be of many types too |
| 22:11:40 | Zagor | i'm ok with changing it |
| 22:12:02 | Bagder | ok, so I add text/html as the only one to strip to start with |
| 22:12:12 | Zagor | ok |
| 22:12:43 | amiconn | Variable stereo width on the way... Increases rockbox binary by about 250 bytes. |
| 22:12:45 | Zagor | oh yeah, the filtering stopped all those virus mails too |
| 22:12:49 | Bagder | and text/x-vcard |
| 22:13:03 | Bagder | how? |
| 22:13:27 | Bagder | we should run clamav on the box really |
| 22:13:46 | Zagor | because they didn't have a message, only attachments |
| 22:13:58 | Bagder | ok |
| 22:14:01 | Zagor | yeah, we could do that |
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| 22:35:52 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: R u there? |
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| 22:39:51 | amiconn | Bagder, Zagor: I have two questions concerning settings: |
| 22:40:37 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn, I am here |
| 22:40:48 | amiconn | (1) I changed the channel_config setting, but only slightly. The number of bits is still the same, but the values have different meanings. Should I bump the config version because of that? |
| 22:41:01 | amiconn | (2) If yes, am I obliged to sort settings? |
| 22:41:08 | [IDC]Dragon | facing questions like which Van der Graaf Generator album is best |
| 22:41:18 | [IDC]Dragon | ;-) |
| 22:41:52 | Zagor | sort? |
| 22:42:29 | [IDC]Dragon | (1) yes, I'd say |
| 22:42:39 | Zagor | yes |
| 22:42:42 | [IDC]Dragon | although it becomes a habit... |
| 22:43:02 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Also settings related, as you wrote the bit table stuff: There is a worst-case sum given at the end of the rtc settings list. The number given there seems outdated. When I calculate the current sum, I get a lower number?? |
| 22:43:18 | [IDC]Dragon | my table made it too easy to change this |
| 22:43:30 | amiconn | Zagor: Yes, sort. Meaning, sorting sound settings together, disk settings together etc. |
| 22:43:32 | [IDC]Dragon | the number is outdated, yes |
| 22:43:46 | [IDC]Dragon | worst-case depends on the platform |
| 22:43:52 | amiconn | I get a sum of 261 bits now (I added 8) |
| 22:44:06 | [IDC]Dragon | only the # in the RTC table matters |
| 22:44:28 | Zagor | amiconn: you are free to sort, but not obliged to imho |
| 22:44:59 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Yes I know. I simply added all bit counts unconditionally (that would be a hypothetic platform ;) ) |
| 22:45:27 | [IDC]Dragon | worse that worst |
| 22:46:38 | amiconn | Not much though. The only mutually exclusive settings with our existing units are HAVE_CHARGING_CTRIL (rec v1 only) <-> CONFIG_TUNER (rec fm and Ondio fm only) |
| 22:47:10 | amiconn | s/HAVE_CHARGING_CTRIL/HAVE_CHARGE_CTRL/ |
| 22:48:08 | amiconn | rec fm is the worst |
| 22:48:44 | [IDC]Dragon | don't forget my backlighted Ondio ;-) |
| 22:49:21 | [IDC]Dragon | too bad the compiler can't sum it up |
| 22:49:25 | amiconn | This does not have charging, so there are still considerably less settings |
| 22:50:03 | [IDC]Dragon | I have plans for a charging mod, too (but uncontrolled) |
| 22:50:06 | amiconn | Ok, it's only 2 bits less |
| 22:50:21 | amiconn | (within rtc) |
| 22:57:20 | [IDC]Dragon | speaking about bits+bytes, we haven't reached a consensus yet about the multivolume |
| 22:57:50 | [IDC]Dragon | the way it's now is pretty nasty, with those extra argument macros |
| 22:58:46 | [IDC]Dragon | the survey brought no serious use for the HD models |
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| 23:00:25 | Zagor | i don't see a point in having it conditional. the saving is very marginal and the macros are ugly. |
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| 23:00:59 | amiconn | And I don't see a point in having multivolume enabled for the hd models |
| 23:01:27 | [IDC]Dragon | that's what I meant with consensus... |
| 23:01:51 | amiconn | The only reason I can think of for partitioning the jb hd is when you want separate data & music partitions... and in that case you exactly do *not* want the jb to mount both |
| 23:02:36 | [IDC]Dragon | how about hardening the argument in the lower layer, but not wiring it further up? |
| 23:02:45 | Zagor | why? |
| 23:02:50 | amiconn | And most probably you will format the data partition with a fs that the jb cannot handle anyway; NTFS for Windows, EXT2 or euiv for Linux etc. |
| 23:02:57 | Zagor | don't make the code more complex than we have to |
| 23:03:31 | [IDC]Dragon | more complex by what? (ifdefs?) |
| 23:04:25 | Zagor | all conditionals and macros add layers of complexity. unless there is a technical reason we should not add more. |
| 23:05:04 | Zagor | the question is not "should we enable it on hd", it's "should we disable it on hd" |
| 23:05:09 | [IDC]Dragon | for the upper layer,this would be minimal |
| 23:05:16 | Zagor | yes, but pointless |
| 23:05:22 | [IDC]Dragon | but for minimal savings, too |
| 23:15:20 | jyp | I have more questions about ATA registers ... |
| 23:16:08 | jyp | I see that you alias ATA_ALT_STATUS to ATA_CONTROL... |
| 23:16:57 | jyp | I know where ATA_ALT_STATUS is; can I rely on the fact that ATA_CONTROL is the same register ? |
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| 23:19:29 | jyp | Zagor ? |
| 23:19:34 | amiconn | My player's display now refuses to work :( |
| 23:19:52 | Zagor | yes, as far as i remember control and alt_status is always the same. i'll check the specs. |
| 23:20:34 | jyp | Thanks :) |
| 23:21:27 | amiconn | Hmm. After numerous tries (> 20) it now works again :-/ ????? |
| 23:21:39 | jyp | Also, there's this quote from the datasheet: "The USB97C202 conforms to all timing diagrams and specifications for ATAPI-5 as set forth in the |
| 23:21:39 | jyp | T13/1321D Revision 3 NCITS specification. Please refer to this specification for more information. |
| 23:21:39 | jyp | " |
| 23:21:57 | Zagor | it is always the same: "This register is read only. If this address is written to by the host, the Device Control register is written." |
| 23:22:05 | jyp | I'm not sure it is relevant though |
| 23:22:44 | jyp | Thanks alot... Maybe you can give me a pointer to the doc ? |
| 23:22:52 | Zagor | i interpret that to simply mean "we adhere to atapi-5" |
| 23:23:03 | Zagor | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataSheets |
| 23:23:08 | Zagor | :) |
| 23:23:26 | jyp | Alright... Sorry for my naivet? ;) |
| 23:24:03 | Zagor | "AppleŽ today introduced iPodŽ shuffle, a breakthrough digital music player based on iPod?s legendary shuffle feature which lets users experience their music in a million different ways." |
| 23:24:10 | Zagor | legendary shuffle? |
| 23:24:16 | jyp | rofl |
| 23:24:26 | [IDC]Dragon | mersenne twister? |
| 23:24:34 | Bagder | breakthrough == flash based player |
| 23:24:43 | [IDC]Dragon | Ondio, ah |
| 23:24:45 | Zagor | Bagder: yes. apple just invented those. |
| 23:25:01 | Bagder | Apple is good ;-) |
| 23:25:04 | * | Bagder grins |
| 23:25:40 | Zagor | "iPod shuffle is based on iPod?s pioneering and widely-used shuffle feature, which randomly selects songs from the user's music library or playlists." |
| 23:26:23 | [IDC]Dragon | probably my 1980something CD player now has to pay royalties in reverse |
| 23:26:33 | Zagor | it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad |
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| 23:29:51 | pike| | gotta love PR zeelots |
| 23:29:59 | Zagor | they claim the lack of display is a feature |
| 23:30:18 | [IDC]Dragon | no display? |
| 23:30:20 | Bagder | "no annoying display" ;-) |
| 23:30:26 | Zagor | ?With most flash-memory music players users must use tiny displays and complicated controls to find their music; with iPod shuffle you just relax and it serves up new combinations of your music every time you listen.? |
| 23:30:36 | Bagder | hahahaha |
| 23:30:37 | pike| | aha, they named it shuffle, random was the "estimated" name |
| 23:30:48 | pike| | got link? |
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| 23:30:55 | quelsaruk | hi |
| 23:30:56 | Zagor | http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/jan/11shuffle.html |
| 23:30:58 | amiconn | hi quelsaruk |
| 23:31:07 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 23:31:18 | amiconn | quelsaruk: Did you notice my voice building article ;-) |
| 23:31:48 | pike| | it got an apple on it, people will buy it no matter how crappy it is |
| 23:31:54 | quelsaruk | no, i have my screen broken, so i can only use internet when i can steal a laptop :D |
| 23:32:07 | quelsaruk | but i'm going to investiguate that article right now |
| 23:32:09 | quelsaruk | thanks!! |
| 23:32:15 | Zagor | i predict apple fanboys will remove their regular ipod displays too, since apple proved it's much better that way. |
| 23:32:55 | Bagder | "new patent-pending AutoFill feature" |
| 23:33:11 | Bagder | "automatically selects the perfect number of songs to fill iPod shuffle" |
| 23:33:33 | Zagor | yeah, nobody ever did that before... |
| 23:33:38 | pike| | my dick is patent-pending |
| 23:33:49 | pike| | but I have no hopes of it ever getting approved |
| 23:34:37 | Bagder | it'll sell in huge amounts, that's for sure |
| 23:35:31 | Zagor | yup |
| 23:36:18 | [IDC]Dragon | the price seems ok to me |
| 23:37:09 | pike| | yeah price is ok |
| 23:37:31 | pike| | now the other asian cheap flashmem will have to dump their prices |
| 23:39:33 | | Nick Spida_ is now known as Spida (Spida@pD9FFA999.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:39:39 | pike| | is shiffle usb1 or usb2? |
| 23:39:43 | pike| | weak if it's usb1 |
| 23:40:26 | Zagor | the press release doesn't say |
| 23:40:48 | pike| | likely it's usb1 then |
| 23:40:54 | quelsaruk | amiconn: i like it |
| 23:40:55 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 23:40:56 | pike| | weak features you dont mention |
| 23:41:07 | quelsaruk | great HOWTO |
| 23:41:25 | * | quelsaruk gives a 8 to amiconn |
| 23:41:28 | quelsaruk | ;) |
| 23:41:40 | amiconn | I hope it's clear enough. If there is something that needs more explanation, just tell me. |
| 23:42:21 | quelsaruk | hmm |
| 23:42:45 | quelsaruk | why do you use in your example sample frequency of 12?? |
| 23:42:59 | quelsaruk | 'cause it's spoken words? |
| 23:43:08 | Bagder | not even the tech specs say what USB version it is |
| 23:43:16 | Bagder | http://www.apple.com/se/ipodshuffle/specs.html |
| 23:44:30 | | Quit TexJoachim ("Bye!") |
| 23:44:35 | amiconn | quelsaruk: I use 12 in the example to show the -B option too, as explained below. It's still possible to use 16 for the voices I build, except "Microsoft Sam" |
| 23:44:56 | pike| | other products mention "usb 2", shuffle just "usb" so it's probably slowish usb |
| 23:45:01 | pike| | eeek 1gb @ usb1 speed |
| 23:45:15 | quelsaruk | I don't like MS Sam... i prefer a nice girl speaking ;) |
| 23:45:24 | amiconn | pike|: Flash mem isn't that much faster with USB2 |
| 23:46:02 | pike| | you sure? then there would be limited usage for usb2 flashcard readers imho |
| 23:46:49 | Zagor | reading is very fast, writing is not always |
| 23:47:18 | pike| | there's slow and fast mem, true |
| 23:47:27 | pike| | prob slow in this shuffle then |
| 23:48:26 | amiconn | pike|: It *is* faster, but not that much as with hard disks |
| 23:49:30 | | Quit schuepf_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7/20040616]") |
| 23:49:45 | amiconn | I expect a factor of ~1.7 for MMC, ~2 for SD, and a maximum of ~5 with other flash types |
| 23:50:17 | amiconn | The limiting factor for MMC/SD is the transfer speed of the card itself (serial, 20/25 MBit/s). |
| 23:50:49 | pike| | interresting |
| 23:50:51 | [IDC]Dragon | flash *memory* itself can be very fast (reading), but the crippled serial interfaces going there are not |
| 23:51:18 | amiconn | For faster transfer media, the flash memory itself limits the speed, at least for writing. Iirc flash memory currently goes up to 5 MByte/s max. |
| 23:51:20 | [IDC]Dragon | the memory is solid state, nut much slower than RAM |
| 23:51:39 | [IDC]Dragon | s/nut/not |
| 23:52:41 | pike| | btw, you guys seen www.ultimateears.com ? want myself one of those |
| 23:53:15 | pike| | 119dB @ 1mw is respect |
| 23:53:22 | pike| | and thats the cheapest model |
| 23:53:55 | Zagor | numbers don't say much when it comes to sound quality |
| 23:54:26 | pike| | true, and there's no way you can preview these babies either |
| 23:54:34 | pike| | they need to be custom made |
| 23:54:52 | Bagder | zagor doesn't preview, he orders and then sends them back! ;-P |
| 23:55:03 | pike| | but I dont think they would be able to take those prices if it was crap |
| 23:56:23 | Zagor | i bought a pair of etymotic er-4 for $300. they are also earphones that everybody raves about and all reviewers praise. they sucked so bad i sent them back in two weeks. |
| 23:56:49 | pike| | O.o you dont like neutral sound ? |
| 23:57:18 | Zagor | they are not neutral, they are grossly underpowered. |
| 23:57:58 | [IDC]Dragon | depends on the fit |
| 23:58:00 | pike| | can't say I ever tested a pair of etymotics, but I know of them, underpowered ? |
| 23:58:11 | [IDC]Dragon | I have a pair of them |
| 23:58:22 | Zagor | yes, very very clear and crisp high and mid end. very very weak low end. |
| 23:58:39 | [IDC]Dragon | but I admit bass is much more fun on my Koss portapro |
| 23:59:00 | [IDC]Dragon | for voices, they are the best I have |
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