| 00:00:46 | jyp | committed |
| 00:01:09 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I'm checking for unused LANG (& VOICE) ids. Already found one (not voiced): LANG_FM_BUTTONBAR_EDIT. Could you confirm this? |
| 00:01:14 | amiconn | I have no FM unit... |
| 00:01:39 | Bagder | jyp: another style nit: the start brace for functions should be below the function name |
| 00:01:54 | jyp | ok |
| 00:03:25 | jyp | Perhaps http://www.rockbox.org/docs/contributing.html could be updated to mention that |
| 00:04:08 | Bagder | it could be more explicit, I agree |
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| 00:06:16 | jyp | In fat.c ... |
| 00:06:30 | jyp | line 1197, |
| 00:07:02 | jyp | there's a format string unsupported by the formatter of the firmware, i think |
| 00:07:23 | Bagder | yes |
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| 00:07:41 | jyp | should this be fixed ? |
| 00:07:43 | Bagder | and here he comes |
| 00:07:49 | quelsaruk | sleep time |
| 00:07:51 | quelsaruk | cu! |
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| 00:08:00 | LinusN | jyp: what's the point with the SET_ATA_xxx() macros? |
| 00:08:03 | Bagder | I'm not sure what LDEBUGF() is used for |
| 00:08:09 | webguest02 | the problem wasnt the polarisation! |
| 00:08:12 | jyp | heh :) |
| 00:08:16 | webguest02 | it was my car adapter! |
| 00:08:23 | jyp | Setting a register isn't as simple as REG = VALUE |
| 00:08:29 | jyp | so I had to change all these into SET_REG(value) |
| 00:08:39 | webguest02 | first i used the creative jukebox with it..it has ac |
| 00:08:39 | LinusN | i know, but why the extra macro level? |
| 00:08:47 | webguest02 | than my new player...it has dc |
| 00:09:06 | LinusN | why not do SET_REG(ATA_xxx, value)? |
| 00:09:08 | webguest02 | i think that the car adapter only runs with ac |
| 00:10:08 | LinusN | i see no point in this: |
| 00:10:10 | LinusN | #define SET_ATA_SELECT(v) (SET_REG(ATA_SELECT,v)) |
| 00:10:45 | LinusN | (i have done almost exactly the same thing for the iriver ata code) |
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| 00:10:52 | jyp | Well, that was an easy way to change it |
| 00:10:54 | LinusN | except for the extra macro level |
| 00:10:59 | Bagder | I agree with Linus |
| 00:11:08 | gromit` | i agree with jyp |
| 00:11:11 | gromit` | :) |
| 00:11:17 | gromit` | hello |
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| 00:11:28 | jyp | hey gromit` ;P |
| 00:11:47 | elinenbe_ | jyp: nice additions... nice work! |
| 00:12:03 | elinenbe_ | very impressive... you work quickly! |
| 00:12:09 | LinusN | but my macro is called WRITE_ATA_REG() instead :-) |
| 00:12:14 | elinenbe_ | very impressive... you work quickly! |
| 00:12:37 | jyp | heh ... |
| 00:12:47 | Bagder | LinusN: did jyp's commit cause much trouble with merging? |
| 00:12:54 | LinusN | tons :-) |
| 00:13:03 | LinusN | but never mind |
| 00:13:06 | jyp | I'm not emotionally attached to these details :P |
| 00:13:22 | LinusN | was there a reason for the extra level? |
| 00:14:10 | jyp | Actually I hoped to move the SET_ATA_* out of the ifdef |
| 00:14:23 | jyp | and keep only one SET_REG macro inside |
| 00:15:36 | LinusN | would be a lot better |
| 00:15:49 | elinenbe_ | LinusN: are you merging iriver code? |
| 00:16:01 | LinusN | was just about to when i saw the commit :-) |
| 00:16:19 | LinusN | jyp beat me to it |
| 00:17:19 | elinenbe_ | LinusN: what is forthcoming? |
| 00:17:22 | preglow | what iriver code? :VV |
| 00:17:35 | LinusN | elinenbe: boot loader |
| 00:17:47 | preglow | :-):-):-) |
| 00:18:07 | elinenbe_ | !!! :) !!! :) !!!! |
| 00:18:15 | elinenbe_ | ah... now I can put my iriver to use? |
| 00:18:17 | elinenbe_ | :-) |
| 00:18:29 | preglow | LinusN: its done` |
| 00:18:35 | preglow | LinusN: retry: it's done? |
| 00:18:45 | LinusN | not entirely |
| 00:18:54 | LinusN | a few quirks left |
| 00:18:55 | preglow | what's left? |
| 00:19:06 | LinusN | for one, it doesn't work! :-) |
| 00:19:07 | preglow | are these quirks that will devestate my player? :P |
| 00:19:10 | preglow | ahahah |
| 00:19:23 | preglow | well, that _is_ a bit of a show stopper |
| 00:19:24 | LinusN | the lcd init fails, and the rolo isn't correct |
| 00:19:49 | LinusN | ...and i have to rewrite a lot of ata code :-) |
| 00:20:04 | preglow | how jolly |
| 00:20:06 | amiconn | jyp: Is there a reason for changing asm to __asm__ ? |
| 00:20:18 | preglow | why, isn't the old code good enough? |
| 00:20:23 | jyp | amiconn, gcc/calmrisc chokes on it |
| 00:21:06 | elinenbe_ | so much development on the Rockbox front these past weeks... sure is exciting! |
| 00:21:48 | preglow | i most certainly agree |
| 00:23:23 | amiconn | I found 9 LANG ids that are seem to be unused, but not empty & marked as deprecated... |
| 00:23:44 | preglow | why would rockbox on irivers need a usb handler, btw? i thought all usb stuff was handled by hardware. |
| 00:25:18 | LinusN | preglow: like on the archos jukebox |
| 00:25:37 | LinusN | the software needs to give away the access to the hard drive to the usb chip |
| 00:26:03 | LinusN | and then wait until the usb is done before "taking" the hard drive again |
| 00:27:07 | preglow | won't the usb chip just raise a pin or something when it's connected, so rockbox can just park the drive and twiddle its thumbs? |
| 00:27:23 | preglow | or is it more complicated? |
| 00:27:41 | LinusN | preglow: are you a programmer? |
| 00:27:59 | preglow | LinusN: yes |
| 00:28:13 | LinusN | then i thought you would understand |
| 00:28:29 | LinusN | yes, it is as "easy" as reading a pin from the usb chip |
| 00:28:53 | LinusN | but then rockbox needs to stop all access to the hard drive until the usb chip is done |
| 00:29:06 | LinusN | that is done by the usb handler |
| 00:29:23 | preglow | aight |
| 00:29:29 | LinusN | it broadcasts a USB_CONNECTED message to all threads, telling them to stop |
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| 00:29:57 | LinusN | then it awaits the ACK from all threads before giving the drive to the usb chip |
| 00:30:00 | preglow | ahh, so it's thread based |
| 00:30:22 | preglow | i haven't studied the source too much yet |
| 00:31:18 | jyp | LinusN, I've factored out the SET_* macros |
| 00:31:55 | LinusN | great |
| 00:32:26 | jyp | Doing so for the GET_* is somewhat more tricky |
| 00:33:06 | LinusN | commit the set_ for now |
| 00:33:14 | jyp | done :P |
| 00:35:34 | LinusN | i don't get it, the code is still full of SET_ATA_SECTOR(xxx) etc |
| 00:36:46 | jyp | I just made the SET_ATA* definitions machine independant |
| 00:37:43 | LinusN | but why can't it be SET_REG(ATA_SECTOR, value) in the code? |
| 00:38:25 | jyp | No reason; I just didn't know it was what you wanted |
| 00:38:58 | jyp | A single (but clever) search and replace can do it |
| 00:39:02 | LinusN | that was the "extra layer" i was talking about |
| 00:39:09 | elinenbe_ | Linus, is your M3 interview up online? |
| 00:40:29 | LinusN | the magazing will be out next week, and i'm not sure it will ever be online |
| 00:42:41 | elinenbe_ | ah, someone will have to scan it and put it in the wiki :) |
| 00:43:07 | jyp | LinusN, since I changed nothing is the "real" ata code, |
| 00:43:48 | jyp | perhaps you can just replace the bulk part of ata.c with what you have |
| 00:44:13 | jyp | just fixing the WRITE/SET mismatch ? |
| 00:44:43 | jyp | (only a name if i understand correctly) |
| 00:45:45 | LinusN | sure |
| 00:46:50 | jyp | I'm sort of mis-equipped to do the search/replace I was talking about |
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| 00:57:23 | amiconn | If I know the exact commit date of a change, is it possible to get a list which other files were changed in the same commit? |
| 00:57:40 | LinusN | yes |
| 00:57:53 | amiconn | How can I achieve that? |
| 00:58:42 | jyp | Diff by date just before & just after ? |
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| 01:01:12 | amiconn | Ah, I just found by chance what I was looking for. I needed to know which file a moved function came from. |
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| 01:07:47 | ripnetUK | Do I smell iRiver progress :) |
| 01:08:27 | LinusN | well, soon |
| 01:09:15 | ripnetUK | cool... thanks for all your work on this LinusN :) |
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| 07:21:54 | ashridah | hmm. apparently the iriver H10 still supports usb storage as a music transfer medium if you get the korean version |
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| 10:02:54 | [IDC]Dragon | 'morning! |
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| 10:04:02 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: how's slicing off the rest of Rockbox working out, for your bootloader? |
| 10:04:12 | LinusN | good |
| 10:04:29 | LinusN | since the firmware is a library, i can pick only the stuff i want |
| 10:04:33 | [IDC]Dragon | a similar "emergency Rockbox" would be nice for the first flash image, saving space |
| 10:04:42 | LinusN | only that there are a few cross-references i need to handle |
| 10:05:01 | [IDC]Dragon | all those debug hacks, perhaps? |
| 10:05:25 | LinusN | so i define a few dummy functions in the bootloader to prevent some modules from being loaded from the firmware lib |
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| 10:05:48 | LinusN | like mpeg_stop() being called from various places |
| 10:06:10 | LinusN | so i define a dummy mpeg_stop in my bootloaded main.c |
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| 10:06:37 | [IDC]Dragon | will be interesting. Bootbox for Archos would allow to distribute a firmware image with 100% our code |
| 10:06:47 | bobTHC | hi folks |
| 10:06:48 | LinusN | basically, the bootloader is a new application |
| 10:06:53 | LinusN | ho bobTHC |
| 10:07:01 | bobTHC | :) |
| 10:07:21 | LinusN | bootbox...hmm |
| 10:07:36 | [IDC]Dragon | doesn't the firmware library carry all unused functions, too? |
| 10:07:36 | LinusN | i was thinking about rockboot, but bootbox is better |
| 10:07:52 | Bagder | a bootbox is what your shoes is put in when you buy them in a store? :-) |
| 10:08:05 | [IDC]Dragon | it doesn't rock |
| 10:08:16 | LinusN | yes, but i don't want to load mpeg.c, because it references so much other code, so the boot becomes very big |
| 10:08:20 | Zagor | Bagder: no, it's a storage box for the luggage compartment of your car |
| 10:08:36 | * | Bagder giggles |
| 10:09:08 | Zagor | why does every little snippet of code need a separate name? |
| 10:09:10 | [IDC]Dragon | so you have a special firmware lib without mpeg.c |
| 10:09:11 | LinusN | "rockboot", some kind of shoes for climbing, right? :-) |
| 10:09:41 | [IDC]Dragon | it needs at least a directory name |
| 10:09:47 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: no, i told you, i define mpeg_stop() in my bootloader, then the linker doesn't load mpeg.o from the firmware lib |
| 10:09:50 | Bagder | LinusN: yeps, those boots you have when you carry your bag to collect stones in: the rockbox |
| 10:10:11 | [IDC]Dragon | ok, so the linker is smart enough to eliminate dead code |
| 10:10:20 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: no, it doesn't |
| 10:10:41 | [IDC]Dragon | now I'm confused |
| 10:10:43 | LinusN | it just doesn't load unneeded modules from the library |
| 10:10:54 | LinusN | that's the whole point of a library |
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| 10:11:13 | pike | you probably seen this already? http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200501/200501180025.html |
| 10:11:30 | [IDC]Dragon | so it eliminated on a file (.o) basis |
| 10:11:53 | LinusN | you call it elimination, i call it selective loading |
| 10:12:14 | Zagor | i think "bootloader" is a good directory name |
| 10:12:26 | LinusN | Zagor: how boring .-) |
| 10:12:35 | [IDC]Dragon | pike: I like Jenna |
| 10:12:57 | [IDC]Dragon | but don't think it'll influence me buying |
| 10:13:36 | Zagor | pike: Reigncom? |
| 10:13:59 | pike | I dunno |
| 10:14:12 | LinusN | time to reboot |
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| 10:14:37 | Zagor | aha. "ReignCom produces portable music players under the iRiver brand name." |
| 10:14:59 | Zagor | i didn't know that |
| 10:15:01 | [IDC]Dragon | now you know what's behind it |
| 10:15:37 | [IDC]Dragon | and whom to email |
| 10:18:45 | [IDC]Dragon | Bill Gates presented the H10 at the CES... |
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| 10:21:56 | [IDC]Dragon | iRiver europe is in Germany (Eschborn) |
| 10:23:49 | pike | btw, has iriver contacted any of the teammembers? |
| 10:24:37 | Zagor | no |
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| 10:26:41 | Bagder | perhaps they sent a flash and it got caught in the spam filter! ;-P |
| 10:26:59 | Zagor | haha |
| 10:27:00 | Bagder | flash seems to be their preference |
| 10:27:31 | Zagor | indeed. flashblock is a nice forefox extension. |
| 10:27:48 | LinusN | blocks the entire iriver site |
| 10:28:05 | Bagder | I don't have any plugin for flash installed |
| 10:30:40 | bobTHC | :) |
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| 11:10:19 | amiconn | Zagor: The stuck-in-dir bug is still there :( I consistently get this when resuming a playlist, let it play a number of songs, and then it either ends or I stop it. |
| 11:20:06 | Zagor | yeah i saw the mail |
| 11:23:31 | Lynx_ | how much "ram" does the recorder have? |
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| 12:23:59 | LinusN | Lynx_: 2Mbytes |
| 12:26:57 | Lynx_ | LinusN: hmm, that would fit my whole database for faster browsing..:) |
| 12:27:19 | LinusN | while the music is playing? i think not |
| 12:27:47 | Lynx_ | LinusN: no, but after start for making a playlist. well, just a thought. |
| 12:28:09 | Zagor | switching buffers would mean more spinup, not less |
| 12:28:59 | Lynx_ | i thought load db once, assemble playlist, unload db, start playing. but it's not really practicable, i see that. |
| 12:29:26 | Zagor | it would be practical for that specific case, but only then |
| 12:29:45 | Lynx_ | btw, are there any plans to inclue the genre tag in the db? |
| 12:29:49 | Zagor | yes |
| 12:30:00 | Zagor | genre and year will be added later |
| 12:30:14 | Lynx_ | Zagor: that's what i mean, it's too specific a task to justify including it as a feature |
| 12:30:22 | Lynx_ | nice ;) |
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| 13:19:40 | NibbIer | this musicbrainz is amazing |
| 13:20:55 | Lynx_ | NibbIer: cool, eh? |
| 13:21:14 | NibbIer | it does analyse the music? |
| 13:21:51 | Lynx_ | NibbIer: yes, i don't know exacly how though as i'm not a programmer, but i always imagine it calculates something like a hash on the files. |
| 13:22:32 | NibbIer | well i use some linux script at the first place, because its much faster, but the stuff this one does not get.... mb does a good job with this |
| 13:24:18 | Lynx_ | hmm, actually the system uses the acoustic features of the files, works also with ogg and wav |
| 13:25:18 | Lynx_ | NibbIer: how do you use it under linux? |
| 13:29:25 | NibbIer | i use mb under windows |
| 13:29:38 | NibbIer | my mp3s are on a linux server |
| 13:29:46 | NibbIer | so i sort them using mp3cddb.pl |
| 13:29:56 | NibbIer | and the rest with mb using the samba share/windows |
| 13:30:31 | Lynx_ | ok... |
| 13:41:07 | [IDC]Dragon | (OT) hey gurus, does somebody know of a C to C converter? |
| 13:41:23 | [IDC]Dragon | C plusplus I mean |
| 13:41:50 | [IDC]Dragon | the stupit CGIIRC always eats 'plus' characters |
| 13:41:54 | Zagor | i would be scared if i ever saw one :) |
| 13:42:12 | Zagor | just imagine the C code it would produce. brrr. |
| 13:42:36 | [IDC]Dragon | as long as a C compiler understands it, I'm fine |
| 13:42:37 | Zagor | come to think of it, the first c++ compilers were non-native and did produce c code. search for "cfront" |
| 13:43:29 | * | [IDC]Dragon googles |
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| 13:50:39 | El_Barto2 | hi |
| 13:51:01 | El_Barto2 | do you know what voltage the achroch recorder 20 has? |
| 13:51:09 | El_Barto2 | dc? |
| 13:52:32 | Zagor | has? you mean wants for charging? |
| 13:53:14 | dwihno | 9v |
| 13:53:18 | dwihno | center tip positive |
| 13:53:37 | dwihno | Otherwise, 4,8v |
| 13:53:45 | El_Barto2 | not voltage ...cant explain it :) |
| 13:53:49 | El_Barto2 | dc or ac? ;9 |
| 13:54:02 | dwihno | ac/dc! :) |
| 13:54:55 | El_Barto2 | ? |
| 13:55:06 | El_Barto2 | cant be ;) |
| 13:55:29 | El_Barto2 | the input schould be dc right? |
| 13:56:41 | Zagor | yes |
| 13:57:00 | Zagor | you can use any voltage from 9 to 12. i use 12 myself, it speeds up charging a bit. |
| 13:57:18 | dwihno | Zagor: You don't harm the charging circuits by using 12v? |
| 13:59:01 | El_Barto2 | and would it be better to use 2,3A batteries? |
| 13:59:22 | El_Barto2 | how much longer would than the player play? |
| 13:59:55 | Zagor | a bit :) |
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| 14:00:21 | El_Barto2 | hehe |
| 14:02:16 | LinusN | to be safe, either use the original charger, or a regulated 12V |
| 14:02:34 | LinusN | r e g u l a t e d |
| 14:03:53 | El_Barto2 | and how much Ampere does the original charger have? |
| 14:04:10 | LinusN | 600mA |
| 14:04:27 | LinusN | all this is in the FAQ |
| 14:06:47 | El_Barto2 | faq on rockbox site? |
| 14:06:51 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:06:53 | El_Barto2 | ok |
| 14:06:54 | El_Barto2 | thx |
| 14:07:04 | LinusN | the battery faq, to be precise |
| 14:07:08 | El_Barto2 | ;) |
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| 14:22:49 | El_Barto2 | an how much Ampere does the player need? |
| 14:23:01 | El_Barto2 | i think more than 600mA right? |
| 14:23:32 | El_Barto2 | the archos recorder 20.. |
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| 14:38:37 | LinusN | El_Barto2: that's also in the faq, the original is 600mA |
| 14:39:09 | El_Barto2 | thats what the charger gives you |
| 14:39:17 | El_Barto2 | but i think the player needs more |
| 14:39:31 | LinusN | why do you think that? |
| 14:39:44 | El_Barto2 | cause you cant run the player without batteries.. |
| 14:39:58 | Bagder_ | you can never do that |
| 14:40:08 | El_Barto2 | i know ;) |
| 14:40:19 | LinusN | in fact, you can, but then you need a lot more power |
| 14:40:32 | LinusN | more that 1A |
| 14:40:38 | El_Barto2 | thats what i wanted to know ;) |
| 14:40:39 | LinusN | to spin up the hard drive |
| 14:40:50 | El_Barto2 | so the player needs more than 600 mA ;) |
| 14:41:11 | LinusN | not to charge, but to run |
| 14:41:30 | El_Barto2 | that exactly i wanted to know ;) |
| 14:41:42 | LinusN | to pe precise, the _hard drive_ needs that much |
| 14:41:45 | El_Barto2 | but how much i cant find nowhere |
| 14:42:02 | LinusN | that's probably because few people have cared to find out |
| 14:42:11 | El_Barto2 | hehe :) |
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| 14:43:32 | Zagor | LinusN: don't you still need to shortcut the battery connectors? I know I had to do that to run my player without batteries. |
| 14:43:32 | El_Barto2 | so would it be possible to connect an external current adpater with more than 1 A to run the player without batteries? |
| 14:44:24 | El_Barto2 | but i you shortcut it the player cant charge the batteries! |
| 14:44:48 | Zagor | uh, yeah. i wanted to run WITHOUT batteries |
| 14:44:50 | El_Barto2 | or do you use an flexible bridge? |
| 14:45:03 | El_Barto2 | like a jumpe ;) |
| 14:45:15 | El_Barto2 | jumper |
| 14:45:38 | Zagor | i don't understand what you want. do you want to run with or without batteries? |
| 14:45:44 | El_Barto2 | both ;) |
| 14:46:01 | El_Barto2 | like with my creative jukebox ;) |
| 14:46:08 | El_Barto2 | an all other normal devices.. |
| 14:46:10 | El_Barto2 | and |
| 14:46:28 | Zagor | please explain more. you are talking in riddles. |
| 14:46:32 | Bagder | most devices have the batteris in |
| 14:46:36 | El_Barto2 | im german sorry ;) |
| 14:46:37 | Bagder | at least those I have |
| 14:47:33 | El_Barto2 | its also a bit strange that you first have to boot the player and then plug in the charger.. |
| 14:47:45 | Bagder | I don't |
| 14:47:59 | El_Barto2 | otherwise you cant use it,if you first connect the charger.. |
| 14:48:11 | Bagder | I can |
| 14:48:14 | El_Barto2 | how? |
| 14:48:18 | Bagder | press on |
| 14:48:33 | El_Barto2 | thats what im talking about.. |
| 14:48:41 | Bagder | no, you said it doesn't work |
| 14:48:44 | Bagder | I say it does work |
| 14:48:50 | El_Barto2 | you first have to start the player with the normal batteries |
| 14:49:02 | El_Barto2 | and than you have to connect the charger.. |
| 14:49:07 | Bagder | no |
| 14:49:07 | LinusN | wrong |
| 14:49:16 | El_Barto2 | ? |
| 14:49:19 | Bagder | El_Barto2: if you don't read, then don't ask |
| 14:49:24 | LinusN | iinsert the charger and then press on to use it |
| 14:49:43 | El_Barto2 | than ther comes the charing screen |
| 14:49:47 | El_Barto2 | and i can do nothing |
| 14:49:47 | Bagder | NOOOOO |
| 14:49:48 | LinusN | you just have to hold ON long enough |
| 14:49:55 | Zagor | or enable car mode |
| 14:50:00 | El_Barto2 | ah ;) |
| 14:50:01 | Zagor | then you won't get the screen at all |
| 14:50:09 | LinusN | i guess he isn't using rockbox |
| 14:50:14 | Zagor | aha |
| 14:50:16 | El_Barto2 | thatsthe problem!! |
| 14:50:23 | El_Barto2 | i cant flash the chip! |
| 14:50:23 | LinusN | El_Barto2: no |
| 14:50:25 | Bagder | bah |
| 14:50:40 | El_Barto2 | so first the original firmware starts! |
| 14:50:43 | LinusN | you can still push ON to start the player |
| 14:50:44 | Bagder | El_Barto2: rockbox doesn't have to be flashed |
| 14:50:53 | Bagder | it still works that way |
| 14:51:01 | El_Barto2 | ok...i will belive you ;) |
| 14:51:02 | El_Barto2 | thx |
| 14:51:14 | El_Barto2 | i damged the player..so i cant test it ;) |
| 14:51:15 | LinusN | insert the charger, and then push on for a few seconds |
| 14:51:34 | El_Barto2 | wrong polarisation :( |
| 14:51:49 | El_Barto2 | no the batteries cant charge |
| 14:51:53 | El_Barto2 | now |
| 14:51:57 | LinusN | so you need to replace a voltage regulator |
| 14:52:08 | LinusN | the MC34063A |
| 14:52:09 | El_Barto2 | or send it back ;) |
| 14:52:52 | El_Barto2 | can i insert a part,which doesnt allow to use wrong polarisation? |
| 14:55:10 | El_Barto2 | i cant understand that they doesnt build it in... |
| 14:55:21 | El_Barto2 | it an easy way to damage the device! |
| 14:55:25 | El_Barto2 | its |
| 14:57:03 | LinusN | a simple diode would do |
| 14:57:38 | El_Barto2 | tell it the devolpers ;) |
| 14:57:51 | LinusN | i will, if i ever meet them |
| 14:58:32 | El_Barto2 | hehe :) |
| 14:58:48 | El_Barto2 | and where should the diode be solder? |
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| 15:01:53 | LinusN | in series with the D/C connector + wire |
| 15:14:15 | dwihno | (ot) has anyone tested pci-express gfx cards under *nix? |
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| 15:17:16 | dwihno | or any newer ati card for that matter |
| 15:18:33 | LinusN | not yet |
| 15:18:34 | Bagder | I don't |
| 15:18:47 | LinusN | will do on my new pc |
| 15:19:14 | LinusN | but it is a geforce |
| 15:19:29 | Zagor | pci-express isn't that new, i would be very surprised if there is any problem |
| 15:25:24 | dwihno | I'm going to get a new box in a couple of months |
| 15:25:37 | dwihno | So, for performance, I'd like a pci-e gfx board |
| 15:26:08 | dwihno | the nvidia binary driver is ok, but I want an ati board |
| 15:26:36 | El_Barto2 | ok..thx for your support! |
| 15:26:39 | El_Barto2 | see you ;) |
| 15:26:41 | El_Barto2 | bye |
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| 15:28:14 | dwihno | However, it would be nice with working xorg drivers instead of being forced to use some binary driver :/ |
| 15:28:35 | Bagder | buy another brand! ;-) |
| 15:29:57 | Zagor | you only need the binary nvidia drivers if you want to play 3d games in linux. |
| 15:30:13 | dwihno | But what if I want an ATI card? |
| 15:30:20 | Zagor | dunno about those |
| 15:30:47 | LinusN | oh, i thought you always needed the binary drivers |
| 15:31:13 | Zagor | LinusN: no, the x.org code works fine for 2d |
| 15:31:41 | LinusN | nice |
| 15:33:19 | dwihno | I don't want to buy a nvidia card just to get xorg support :/ |
| 15:33:40 | * | Bagder uses a matrox card |
| 15:33:41 | LinusN | i didn't know that ati was so much better |
| 15:33:57 | * | LinusN has a Matrox G400 |
| 15:34:15 | Zagor | dwihno: search google, ask #xfree86. these are most likely well-documented things |
| 15:34:39 | Zagor | LinusN: they aren't. at least nvidia still holds the speed crown afaik. |
| 15:37:58 | dwihno | They do? |
| 15:38:02 | dwihno | Hm. |
| 15:38:41 | Zagor | yeah, last i read. but unless you plan on buying the very fastest card existing, that doesn't matter much |
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| 15:47:44 | dwihno | Damn... Too many graphic cards available |
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| 15:48:52 | Bagder | yeah, they should only make one ;-) |
| 15:49:57 | Lynx_ | just buy a mac ;) |
| 15:52:45 | LinusN | ?Too many gfx cards error |
| 15:55:30 | dwihno | :) |
| 15:55:41 | dwihno | The more expensive - the more betterer :) |
| 15:56:06 | LinusN | nice engrish there ;-) |
| 15:56:14 | Bagder | if you really need to playe the latest 3D games, yes |
| 15:56:18 | Bagder | otherwise, no |
| 15:56:30 | Bagder | they all have like 32 fans nowadays |
| 15:56:40 | Bagder | vacuum cleaner sound built-in |
| 15:57:05 | dwihno | I don't want that sound! :( |
| 15:57:23 | Zagor | headphones are mandatory for modern games :) |
| 15:59:32 | Zagor | dwihno: shop around a bit, some manufacturers make passively-cooled cards nowadays. |
| 15:59:53 | Zagor | example: http://www.gamepc.com/images/labs/rev-gwsfx-boxLG.jpg |
| 15:59:58 | LinusN | but not for the latest and the greatest ones |
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| 16:00:16 | bobTHC | Leadtek WinFast PX6200 TC TDH supporting 256MB but in PCI express |
| 16:00:16 | Zagor | pretty late&great actually |
| 16:00:30 | LinusN | for old guys like you, yes |
| 16:00:42 | Zagor | the really latest ones cost more than your computer anyway, so few people are really interested in those |
| 16:01:07 | dwihno | ~2000 SEK is a reasonable price to pay |
| 16:01:11 | dwihno | *checks komplett.se* |
| 16:02:24 | dwihno | are pci-e slots compatible with standard pci cards? |
| 16:02:30 | LinusN | no |
| 16:03:09 | bobTHC | ^no fan, passive , dual screen , cheap.... 90€ : http://www.leadtek.com/3d_graphic/winfast_px6200_tctdh256_1.html |
| 16:04:24 | bobTHC | but for nux world, nvidia driver are not really "stable" |
| 16:04:30 | Zagor | suspiciously small heatsink |
| 16:04:44 | bobTHC | :) |
| 16:04:53 | Zagor | bobTHC: as i said, you only need the nvidia drivers if you plan on playing 3d games in linux. most people don't. |
| 16:05:17 | dwihno | bobTHC: I actually run the nvidia binary driver on my freebsd-laptop... works really great actually! |
| 16:05:41 | bobTHC | your right but if dont want play games, the matrox G400 is always in race ;) |
| 16:05:50 | LinusN | i run it on my laptop too |
| 16:06:02 | LinusN | (the binary driver) |
| 16:06:23 | Zagor | bobTHC: yeah. how many 3d games do you play linux :) |
| 16:07:43 | bobTHC | ure right nothing to add ;) |
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| 16:09:29 | dwihno | GeForce 6800 looks pretty neat |
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| 16:11:08 | Zagor | yeah, and the great "hair dryer" sound is included at no extra charge |
| 16:11:42 | dwihno | It is? Ah, I thought I had to pay extra for that :) |
| 16:12:06 | bobTHC | the only thing to use hi-end GFX card with linux is to do 3d rendering or to use Fvwm2 in xtra hi res.... |
| 16:13:20 | dwihno | If I'm going to shove a larger amount of money into a new computer, it would feel a bit stupid not arming it with a "worthy" graphics board |
| 16:13:23 | Zagor | afaik fvwm2 is 2d-only |
| 16:14:30 | bobTHC | yes but transparence and all kind of little thing use th GFX powa |
| 16:15:05 | bobTHC | and with "old card " the desktop is not very useable... |
| 16:15:36 | Zagor | ? |
| 16:17:30 | Zagor | i can't find anything on fvwm.org that says they are doing transparency in the gpu instead of the cpu |
| 16:20:04 | bobTHC | me too... but i keep the faith ;) |
| 16:23:09 | bobTHC | i has ear that from a fvwm user who change gfx card and who have speed improvement . but i never check the site before this day to verify... |
| 16:23:43 | Zagor | well 2d speed differs between cards too. especially if you switch bus speed. |
| 16:25:26 | bobTHC | oki so i change my sentence : the only thing to use hi-end GFX card with linux is to do 3d rendering |
| 16:25:55 | bobTHC | ;) |
| 16:27:28 | Zagor | :) |
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| 16:38:09 | Trevmar | Jorg, |
| 16:38:53 | Trevmar | Jorg, I am trying to get the Ondios to take a Flash boot. Does the LCD header mod replce the need to change those pull-up pull-downs? |
| 16:40:00 | Trevmar | I have a rev 2.2 FM board, and it doesn't have a header for the serial port pullups. I also figured maybe alll I need is a higher current pull-down on the serial port buffer/inverts? |
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| 16:54:53 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, Trevor missed me |
| 16:55:05 | [IDC]Dragon | or is this a net split? |
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| 17:38:34 | Trevmar | jorg, are you around? |
| 17:39:11 | [IDC]Dragon | now I am |
| 17:39:43 | [IDC]Dragon | btw, it's 'oe' if you have no 'ö' |
| 17:39:56 | Trevmar | I am about to implement your flash boot over the next few days. My analysis of the three ondios after replacing their power supply chips is that there is something drawing a lot of current intermittently |
| 17:40:13 | Trevmar | I think maybe the BGA chip might have problems, don't know |
| 17:40:29 | [IDC]Dragon | of which I don't think it's the program flash |
| 17:40:44 | Trevmar | immediately after soldering the boards all 3 behaved fine, but as the boards colled they (reversibly this time) started drawing 200mils at poweron |
| 17:40:49 | [IDC]Dragon | are they working? |
| 17:41:02 | Trevmar | sorry joerg |
| 17:41:23 | [IDC]Dragon | boards? |
| 17:41:40 | Trevmar | none working, one stays powered up at 40ma after the on switch is pressed |
| 17:41:58 | Trevmar | boards = ondios |
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| 17:42:16 | Trevmar | so I am going to try and flash the low current well-behaved one |
| 17:42:18 | [IDC]Dragon | you're beginning to pile up an Ondio junkyard ;-) |
| 17:42:36 | [IDC]Dragon | try reading it out first |
| 17:42:52 | Trevmar | so I have a question - does the LCD jumper patch replace the need to change that pull-up to pull-down? |
| 17:43:22 | [IDC]Dragon | jumper patch? you mean my modified strip? |
| 17:43:25 | Trevmar | I have a rev 2.2 boards and there is no header near the headphone jack |
| 17:43:32 | Trevmar | modified strip yes |
| 17:44:02 | [IDC]Dragon | that's very difficult to make, and requires a sacrificed LCD |
| 17:44:15 | [IDC]Dragon | I had a broken one |
| 17:44:24 | Trevmar | but what is its function? |
| 17:44:34 | [IDC]Dragon | pull 3 LCD lines low |
| 17:44:35 | Trevmar | same as pull-up pull-down mod? |
| 17:44:57 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, just convenient to apply once made |
| 17:45:12 | Trevmar | wonderful, thanks. I will do it that way. |
| 17:45:23 | [IDC]Dragon | with the strip? |
| 17:45:26 | Trevmar | (got plenty of spare displays etc right now -LOL |
| 17:45:32 | Trevmar | with the strip |
| 17:45:33 | [IDC]Dragon | NOOOO |
| 17:45:50 | [IDC]Dragon | other people are desperate for an LCD |
| 17:46:05 | Trevmar | I am desperate for a working Ondio again LOL |
| 17:46:23 | Trevmar | I thought I might be able to do it without wrecking the LCD |
| 17:46:38 | [IDC]Dragon | you can tap the 3 lines at their pullup |
| 17:46:51 | Trevmar | can't find the pullup |
| 17:46:58 | [IDC]Dragon | or even at the CPU, but finer pith there |
| 17:47:00 | Trevmar | I have rev 2.2 FM board |
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| 17:47:22 | [IDC]Dragon | it's under the tuner daughterboard |
| 17:47:41 | Trevmar | oh - UNDER the daughter board - OK I will look again :) |
| 17:47:50 | [IDC]Dragon | look at my wiki pics |
| 17:48:00 | Trevmar | your wiki needs to use the word UNDER :) |
| 17:48:21 | [IDC]Dragon | are you facing the wiki page? |
| 17:48:22 | Trevmar | Wiki pics, you man the link from the wiki to your pics? |
| 17:48:33 | Trevmar | just a moment, I will bring it up |
| 17:48:41 | [IDC]Dragon | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=ArchosOndio |
| 17:49:17 | [IDC]Dragon | look at the last picture, my Ondio without the tuner |
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| 17:50:40 | [IDC]Dragon | there is a quad resistor array close to the top edge, the small black thing |
| 17:50:41 | Trevmar | OK, found that picture |
| 17:50:56 | [IDC]Dragon | (with 8 pins) |
| 17:50:59 | Trevmar | OK, see the pullup |
| 17:51:17 | [IDC]Dragon | the top of it is all Vcc |
| 17:51:32 | Trevmar | yes, heavily connected to the copper |
| 17:51:55 | [IDC]Dragon | no, I think there's a trace going away from it |
| 17:52:02 | Trevmar | let me go get one of the Ondios I have..just a moment |
| 17:52:52 | [IDC]Dragon | with the recorder models, I've cut that trace and installed a switch to apply eithe Vcc or Gnd to the pull array |
| 17:52:59 | Trevmar | OK, I see it now. It is actually easy to find. I was looking for it on the daughter board |
| 17:53:20 | Trevmar | I understand your wiki instruction now. |
| 17:53:35 | [IDC]Dragon | feel free to improve them |
| 17:53:47 | [IDC]Dragon | that's what a wiki is about... |
| 17:53:51 | Trevmar | So it is optional to EITHER hack the display jumper or cut/jumper that trace? |
| 17:54:20 | [IDC]Dragon | or tap the lines somewhere else and pull them low |
| 17:54:27 | Trevmar | OK, I will make (minor) changes to wiki after I get something going :) |
| 17:54:53 | [IDC]Dragon | how about the RS232 part? |
| 17:55:30 | Trevmar | OK, I get it now, thanks. Was going to use a hardware serial inverer circuit |
| 17:56:10 | [IDC]Dragon | you don't have that USB converting cable yet? |
| 17:56:59 | Trevmar | the cable had a blank circuit board inside the little box :) |
| 17:57:10 | [IDC]Dragon | huh? |
| 17:57:13 | Trevmar | but the USB plug will come in handy :) |
| 17:57:29 | [IDC]Dragon | it's no serial converter? |
| 17:57:36 | Trevmar | inside that connecter box there was just a straight through connection, no electronics |
| 17:57:45 | [IDC]Dragon | :-( |
| 17:57:48 | Trevmar | no serial converter there |
| 17:58:26 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm sorry for my bad advise |
| 17:58:32 | Trevmar | no problems, I will use an NS3906 (I think thats the right one, anyway the open-collector inverter thingy IC I used to use 20 years ago for this type of function -LOL |
| 17:59:01 | Trevmar | no, your advice was fine, don't woory - this is development (dort of) |
| 17:59:06 | Trevmar | sort of |
| 17:59:08 | [IDC]Dragon | just don't apply 12V |
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| 17:59:30 | Trevmar | yup, and INVERT the signal in the translator was th emessage I got |
| 17:59:48 | [IDC]Dragon | but there are cellphone cables with such a converter |
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| 18:00:02 | [IDC]Dragon | I bought a stock |
| 18:01:15 | Trevmar | OK, thanks, I will do all that and see if I can revive any. But I did suspect the soldering under that BGA - I had a lot of trouble when I was using those packages. It was strange how the hot board behaved OK but it went to high currents as it cooled. At least the new power supply chips don't seem as fragile as the original ones in the Ondio production (date code was 1999) |
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| 18:01:47 | [IDC]Dragon | amazing that you got them |
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| 18:02:12 | Trevmar | I just prdered them from Digikey $5.80 each and they arrived two days later :) |
| 18:02:45 | [IDC]Dragon | wouldn't it be cheaper and less hassle to buy 3 new Ondios? ;-) |
| 18:03:24 | Trevmar | can't get the ondios at the moment. Ebay's auctions of them have dried up :( |
| 18:03:53 | Trevmar | But you are correct - less hassle, but less fun too :( |
| 18:03:56 | [IDC]Dragon | as soon as we get something going, the hardware is in short supply :-( |
| 18:04:35 | Trevmar | besides, I like a challenge, and these are certainly a challenge -LOL |
| 18:05:02 | Trevmar | OK, thankd joerg, will report back when I get more data or if I get one working :) |
| 18:05:03 | [IDC]Dragon | you can test the serial converter by making a loopback, and typing into a terminal program, but you probably know |
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| 18:05:39 | [IDC]Dragon | you'd need 3V on the other side for an idle line |
| 18:05:44 | Trevmar | ah, yes, PROCOMM used to be the terminal program of choice. I wonder if that runs under Windows ? LOL |
| 18:06:02 | [IDC]Dragon | I use TeraTerm |
| 18:06:12 | Trevmar | for 3V I was going to use a pull-up and open-collector inverter chip |
| 18:06:22 | [IDC]Dragon | it's small, free, and does what it should |
| 18:06:29 | Trevmar | Ok, will try it |
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| 18:07:03 | [IDC]Dragon | Microsoft HyperTerm works, too, but is cumbersome |
| 18:07:39 | [IDC]Dragon | you never know if the terminal plays tricks with you, or the hardware |
| 18:07:40 | DMJC-L | um.. anyone know if you can find your iriver's serial number from a different location? |
| 18:07:48 | DMJC-L | or is the sticker on the player the only one? |
| 18:07:54 | DMJC-L | if so I'm boned.. |
| 18:08:37 | [IDC]Dragon | no idea |
| 18:10:46 | DMJC-L | I think I found a copy of it on the box.. |
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| 22:50:51 | amiconn | Any gnu make/ makefile expert here? |
| 22:57:57 | jyp | I guess i can give a hand |
| 22:58:39 | amiconn | I'm currently trying to get the compilation of the /firmware dir right, with the revived memset.c and memcpy.c. |
| 22:58:49 | jyp | ah, good ;) |
| 22:59:07 | amiconn | Now there are both memset.c and memset.S (and memcpy.c and memcpy.S as well) |
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| 22:59:27 | jyp | I can feel what this is leading to ... |
| 22:59:37 | amiconn | The generation of the dependency file with the SOURCES file seems to be correct. |
| 22:59:54 | jyp | but since the target is based on .o files ... |
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| 23:00:13 | amiconn | For the jukebox architectures, it should use the .S files, and there are no implicit rules in the makefile. |
| 23:00:27 | amiconn | However, it uses the .c variants... |
| 23:00:53 | jyp | implicit rules are in make.inc, right ? |
| 23:01:08 | amiconn | I just found where this comes from - there is an obscure "make.inc" file from the /tools dir. |
| 23:01:31 | amiconn | I don't know what this is good for though. ???? |
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| 23:01:58 | jyp | I'm afraid there's no easy way to let you choose between the .S or .c file based on implicit rules |
| 23:02:47 | amiconn | Yeah - but the firmware makefile doesn't use implicit rules, and doesn't need to, iiuc... |
| 23:03:04 | jyp | It does via make.inc |
| 23:03:39 | amiconn | Yeah. I'll try to leave this out and see what happens... |
| 23:04:50 | amiconn | ..it doesn't work :( |
| 23:06:00 | jyp | yup, the implicit rules are used |
| 23:07:30 | amiconn | I thought all rules were defined by the "-include $(DEPFILE)" at the very bottom. It seems that I am wrong.... |
| 23:07:37 | jyp | I'm afraid the only way is to rename of the version |
| 23:07:54 | jyp | I'm afraid the only way is to rename one of the versions |
| 23:08:37 | jyp | DEPFILE only contains dependencies to .h files iiuc |
| 23:09:25 | amiconn | Hmm. I think renaming destroys the "logic": Have xyz.S (optimized) and xyz.c (plain), and decide in SOURCES which one to use. |
| 23:09:55 | jyp | Yup ... |
| 23:10:03 | jyp | But here's how it works ... |
| 23:10:58 | jyp | both .S and .c are replaced by .o and given as dependencies for librockbox.a |
| 23:11:15 | jyp | (lines 16 & 17) |
| 23:11:27 | amiconn | Yes, understood |
| 23:12:38 | jyp | After that chosing between the .c or .S source is based only in the order of implicit rules in the Makefile |
| 23:13:45 | jyp | There are certainly solutions that do not involve renaming |
| 23:14:00 | jyp | but these will be overly complicated |
| 23:14:07 | jyp | imho |
| 23:22:43 | amiconn | Hmm. Now I need a method to solve this problem. |
| 23:23:24 | amiconn | Either rename one of the files, or make a sub-dir to move asm optimized stuff to. ? ? |
| 23:23:29 | amiconn | Bagder? |
| 23:23:40 | Bagder | I'd say rename |
| 23:24:07 | Bagder | its easy to change if we figure out a different way |
| 23:24:22 | amiconn | Any sugestions on a name pattern, and which one to rename? (I think I should rename the .S variants) |
| 23:25:18 | amiconn | Renaming is cumbersome with cvs... as is moving into another dir. |
| 23:25:30 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:26:18 | amiconn | Something like memset_o.S (for "optimized")? Better suggestions? |
| 23:26:45 | Bagder | _a for alternative/assembler ? |
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| 23:27:48 | amiconn | Hmm. I think this is equally good (or bad). I'll try _a |
| 23:33:39 | amiconn | It works! :) |
| 23:34:01 | Bagder | goodie |
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