#rockbox 2005-01-25

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#rockbox log for 2005-01-25

00:00:08	amiconn	LinusN?
00:00:14	quelsaruk	hmm
00:00:53	quelsaruk	LinusN, Bagder: if i get something like xlib: connection to ": 0.0" refused by server <−−- why does this happen? anything i can try to "repair" that??
00:01:09	Bagder	try "xhost +"
00:01:14	LinusN	amiconn: yes?
00:01:26	amiconn	There is that image waiting for download...
00:02:00	LinusN	downloading...
00:02:35	quelsaruk	unable to open display ":0.0"
00:02:36	quelsaruk	:)
00:02:56	quelsaruk	i'm trying to install firefox using a xterm :/
00:11:08	*	HCl yawns
00:11:18	HCl	any news regarding the iriver port? :/
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00:13:24	Bagder	HCl: not really
00:13:29	HCl	ok :/
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00:15:36	*	HCl finds a link to changing your iriver startup icon while browsing the wiki, ponders doing that tomorrow
00:17:06	bagawk	You can do all the tweaking oyu want when rockbox works on it :)
00:17:12	HCl	true :p
00:17:16	HCl	its prolly safer to just wait.
00:17:28	HCl	i'm just impatient :P
00:17:36	HCl	and slightly annoyed that there's hardly anything i can do to help
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00:18:51	Digital007	should expect my new earphones soon
00:19:22	bagawk	Digital007, Which did you get?
00:19:52	HCl	a friend of mine recommended these headphones.. and they were like.. 200$, so i'll be saving for a while :X
00:20:08	*	HCl stepped on his current headphones, left headphone is a bit broken :/
00:21:10	Digital007	the white Apple uprated earphones, not the standard ones
00:21:30	Digital007	i don't have an iPod, i have an iRiver H120
00:21:52	*	HCl has an h140...
00:22:09	Digital007	im a huge fan of white earphones
00:23:01	Digital007	how is iRiver box coming on?
00:23:30	HCl	i'm not sure myself, i was just checking the site
00:23:39	HCl	seems they've just added encoding/decoding of normal firmware
00:23:46	Digital007	yea
00:23:51	Digital007	will it appear eventually iRiverbox?
00:23:51	HCl	so they can actually make a rockbox firmware file that'll flash onto your iriver
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00:24:10	HCl	also, i think that since i last checked the list, backlight support went from 0% to done
00:24:17	Digital007	cool
00:24:30	HCl	hey markun
00:24:34	Digital007	hope the iRiverbox will support the remote and its LCD
00:24:43	HCl	wonders whether he knows you
00:24:44	markun	Hi
00:24:52	HCl	where're you on campus?
00:24:55	bagawk	markun, hello
00:25:07	markun	Linus, are you still here?
00:25:08	*	amiconn needs a faster connection...
00:25:21	bagawk	Humm i think zeekoe goes to the same place
00:25:24	Digital007	anyone want to buy a Dell 17" CRT monitor?
00:25:28	bagawk	amiconn, ???
00:25:28	markun	HCI: calslaan
00:25:32	LinusN	amiconn: only 4 hours and 42 minutes left
00:25:32	Digital007	i replaced it with a Samsung 17" TFT
00:25:40	bagawk	Digital007, how much? :)
00:25:53	Digital007	�200
00:26:00	bagawk	LinusN, of what?
00:26:10	Digital007	picture quality is fantastic
00:26:12	HCl	markun: mmm, you wouldn't happen to have been a gopher at the last minicon? just cause i talked to one who had an iriver and was interested in rockbox..
00:26:16	Digital007	AND NO DEAD PIXELS WHATSOEVER!
00:26:19	markun	LinusN: what datatype should I use for unicode strings?
00:26:28	amiconn	LinusN: Hopefully you use a tool that supports resume ;-)
00:26:33	HCl	200 pounds for an crt monitor o.o;;;;
00:26:44	HCl	you can almost buy a new tft for that money o.o
00:26:52	bagawk	Digital007, maybe if a lived in england, Shipping to here would cost a bit :)
00:26:53	markun	HCI: Yes, it's me! I now have a Ihp-120.
00:26:57	HCl	ah :p
00:26:58	HCl	yay.
00:26:59	Digital007	my TFT cost �200
00:27:08	HCl	waves
00:27:11	Digital007	i wasn't selling my CRT for �200
00:27:14	HCl	ohh
00:27:14	HCl	xD
00:27:15	HCl	sorry
00:27:16	bagawk	BTW:I is that ~100$?
00:27:18	HCl	i thought you were :X
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00:27:25	bagawk	I dont't know exchange rates well :)
00:27:34	HCl	hmm
00:27:46	HCl	00:27 <+cu2q> HCl: GBP 200.00 = USD 375.497
00:27:55	Digital007	i couldn't imagine having a TFT that had one bright red pixel right in the centre of the screen
00:27:57	LinusN	markun: unsigned char for utf-8?
00:28:01	bagawk	Ohh had it wrong lol
00:28:09	quelsaruk	euro and pound are higher that dollar right now
00:28:50	markun	LinusN: I was thinking of using UTF-32, or else we will be decoding the strings all the time.
00:29:01	HCl	markun: gonna come to the next minicon? its next saturday
00:29:14	Bagder	http://daniel.haxx.se/currency/ <= my little currency site
00:29:28	markun	But I don't know if I can just use long because it's only 16 bit on archos.
00:30:04	markun	HCI: I don't think I will. My girlfriend's here for the weekend. Maybe.
00:30:20	HCl	k
00:30:24	HCl	its hcL
00:30:26	HCl	by the way
00:30:26	HCl	:p
00:30:27	bagawk	100000000 USD (United States Dollar) = 697244400.000 SEK (Sweden Krona)
00:30:40	bagawk	Bet you did not know that :)
00:31:11	amiconn	markun: (1) The archos jukeboxes are 32 bit. (2) using utf-32 will most probably break the max binary size, plus eat up too much precious ram
00:32:48	markun	amiconn: I don't want to use UTF-32 for everything. Just for passing strings to lcd_puts e.g.
00:33:38	amiconn	Yes, but what about the many string constants?
00:33:48	markun	UTF-8
00:33:57	bagawk	bye
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00:34:10	amiconn	These have to be converted before passing them to lcd_puts() etc anyway.
00:34:48	*	HCl yawns and goes to sleep
00:35:03	amiconn	Or we may use a "decoded string cache", but that adds complexity..
00:35:03	markun	HCl: see you around on campus!
00:35:53	HCl	nods
00:35:57	HCl	byebye
00:36:02	HCl	:)
00:36:13	quelsaruk	grins
00:36:14	quelsaruk	bye
00:36:32	amiconn	markun: I think decoding UTF-8 can be made rather fast. The biggest challenge is the font handling
00:38:50	markun	Yes, fonts can get very big. Do you know the fixed-size bdf fonts that come with x11?
00:39:16	amiconn	no
00:41:09	markun	They are public domain and contain a lot of glyphs.
00:42:29	markun	I will have another look at the chinese patch how they do the dynamic loading and unloading of font parts.
00:43:27	amiconn	I think this needs something like an lru cache.
00:45:05	markun	Yes, a good idea.
00:47:56	markun	I'll sleep over it..
00:48:26	amiconn	I think the ascii chars should be preloaded (or perhaps not even part of the caching strategy, but be "sticky")
00:49:25	markun	I agree, but even if the were part of it they wouldn't be swapped out because the are used so often I think.
00:49:47	amiconn	This would ensure 2 things: (1) No additional disk accesses as long as no special char needs to be displayed. (2) Rockbox could always display messages even if the font file becomes inaccessible
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00:52:43	quelsaruk	time to sleep, cu
00:52:53	markun	I want to store the glyphs seperate (not in one big 'bits') because now all the unused places are allocated anyway (and filled up with the default char)
00:53:29	amiconn	Plus, unicode handling needs to be added in a backwards-compatible way, ensuring that rockbox can still be built without it.
00:53:55	amiconn	There is the player, which will never be able to display unicode...
00:54:16	markun	I know. Can it display rocklatin?
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00:54:35	amiconn	Yes, that's what rocklatin is about
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00:55:19	amiconn	The player lcd is charcell based, but there are 4 (old lcd) or 8 (new lcd) characters that can be redefined.
00:56:50	bagawk	Does anyone here know how to mount a squashfs image within cygwin
00:56:55	markun	That's not much. So cyrillic is not possible with the player?
00:57:12	amiconn	bagawk: not me.
00:57:15	bagawk	I done feel like patching my kernel and building (takes 1 1/2 hours on my machine :()
00:57:40	amiconn	markun: Unfortunately not, imho.
00:58:46	amiconn	The player font code uses some sophisticated code to make sure the important characters are displayed correctly, replacing less important chars with similar ones from the rom.
00:59:41	amiconn	That is, if an "�" is to be displayed, and there are free redefinable chars, it displays an "�", but if all slots are taken for more important things, it shows an "a" instead.
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01:00:05	markun	ok, that's what I thought.
01:00:51	markun	Well, it's the best you can do with such limited hardware.
01:03:24	markun	amiconn, I'm off to sleep now.
01:03:36	amiconn	Nite markun
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01:03:57	markun	Thanks for the unicode advice.
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08:13:37	B_Marcks	hey, anyone know what the problem is if my screen on a JBR20 just goes blank all of a sudden and stays that way for a few days? It's been working fine since I installed RockBox for the last month, but all of a sudden the other day it did this
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13:41:26	Zagor	busy day ;)
13:41:56	Bagder	:-)
13:45:41	Zagor	amiconn: i can't repeat the longdb problem you reported yesterday. going down/up i come back to the same artist. how do you trigger it?
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14:00:41	amiconn	Zagor: I just checked it. It doesn't happen if you do browse only. But if you browse by artists, then go down ->albun->track, play a track, then stop and go back, you end up at a different artist.
14:01:01	Zagor	testing...
14:02:14	Zagor	can't repeat in the simulator. trying on target.
14:03:53	Zagor	got it in target
14:03:58	Zagor	weird
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14:30:01	amiconn	Zagor, Bagder: Do you know if/when Linus comes in today?
14:30:49	amiconn	He started downloading my MMC dump, but it stopped around halfway (because my provider disconnected me). There was no resume action...
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14:46:20	Zagor	amiconn: he called in sick today, so i'm not sure he'll come online
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17:32:13	Zagor	wohoo, id3 searching
17:38:32	jyp	Gratz!
17:38:35	jyp	;)
17:38:46	Zagor	i have 229 songs with "love" in the title :)
17:40:14	jyp	2 possible explanations: your romanticism, or lack of imagination of songwriters. :P
17:40:21	Zagor	:)
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21:49:03	grimreap	how come the fm radio reception is so much better on rockbox for the ondio than with the stock firmware
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22:05:59	amiconn	It is? :-) I didn't even know.
22:08:37	amiconn	A known improvement with rockbox over stock firmware on Ondio is increased battery runtime.
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22:28:50	thecrecarc	si the gmini port going to be on the 400?
22:30:33	Bagder	if you help out
22:31:05	thecrecarc	well, i don't got one yet :P but i did find a site that MIGHT help.... not sure if it would help much tho
22:31:24	Bagder	I don't think any sites will help
22:31:25	thecrecarc	t shows the insides of the 400
22:31:38	thecrecarc	well i still think its intersting
22:31:42	thecrecarc	http://gmini400.com/component/option,com_wikidoc/task,viewcontent/docid,3/Itemid,51/sid,2/cid,2/
22:32:05	Bagder	I'll leave that for the gmini guys to judge
22:32:56	thecrecarc	yup... so where are they?
22:33:08	thecrecarc	:(
22:33:12	gromit``	!!
22:33:15	gromit``	excellent
22:33:28	Bagder	there's one! ;-)
22:33:37	gromit``	i'm idle these times :=)
22:33:43	gromit``	but i'm here :)
22:34:30	thecrecarc	:)
22:34:37	thecrecarc	so is the site helpful?
22:34:43	gromit``	sure
22:35:11	thecrecarc	well, i didn't make it... i will be scared to death oopening my 400$ mp3 player :)
22:35:29	Bagder	chicken! ;-P
22:35:31	gromit``	hmmm author
22:35:31	gromit``	Modified by: JJ Cantillon
22:35:39	gromit``	seems it is the guy who came one day
22:35:49	gromit``	wanted to start a project about the gmini400
22:35:53	gromit``	jjdragon
22:35:57	gromit``	a nick like this
22:36:27	thecrecarc	well,
22:36:35	thecrecarc	considering he has a site about the gmini 400
22:36:46	thecrecarc	i think he would want a project for it
22:36:54	Bagder	he's free to join in
22:37:13	thecrecarc	:) well don't ask me... i was just surfing the web today and forund the site
22:37:22	gromit``	we ahd no news about him
22:37:29	gromit``	he planned to start something
22:37:41	gromit``	he said he hadn"t the capabilities to RE the stuff alone
22:37:48	gromit``	but he was motivated
22:38:12	thecrecarc	and he opened it so he got guts.... unlike me whos a wimp :)
22:39:57	gromit``	we're also on #gmemu if you want
22:40:43	thecrecarc	k..... but i won't be much of a help... i am just a 40 year old who lives with his mom
22:40:45	thecrecarc	lol
22:40:48	thecrecarc	jk
22:40:50	gromit``	:) np
22:42:28	thecrecarc	u had a pic that rockbox was loading on a gmini....how it going?
22:42:50	thecrecarc	nad i REALLY want u to make it on 400 cause i am dead set on getting one
22:42:52	gromit``	jyp is working on the sound
22:42:56	thecrecarc	soon
22:42:59	thecrecarc	in a month
22:43:00	thecrecarc	year
22:43:02	thecrecarc	decade
22:43:10	thecrecarc	century
22:43:23	gromit``	he has a lot of work with the DSP assembler
22:43:32	gromit``	need to be able to compile it
22:43:34	gromit``	etc
22:43:44	Bagder	jyp sure works a lot
22:43:44	gromit``	interact with our gcc port
22:43:47	gromit``	ya
22:43:47	thecrecarc	???? i have no idea what ur talking about
22:43:49	gromit``	incredible
22:44:19	thecrecarc	just how many persent is it done?
22:44:24	thecrecarc	i can't wait
22:44:27	thecrecarc	wait
22:44:29	thecrecarc	wait
22:44:30	DBUG	Enqueued KICK thecrecarc
22:44:30	thecrecarc	wait
22:44:33	gromit``	erf
22:44:44	gromit``	dunno how to quantify
22:45:13	Bagder	it is impossible
22:46:04	thecrecarc	estimate.... or juts guess... ica n't wait.....
22:46:14	thecrecarc	and yu isn't there a gmini port forum?
22:46:31	Bagder	ask Jeff
22:46:38	Bagder	he runs the forums on the rockbox.org
22:48:10	thecrecarc	and y is all the other people in these forums quiet? i hate being quite.... everyone says i talk alot
22:48:58	Bagder	perhaps they DO things
22:49:53	thecrecarc	i don't
22:49:56	thecrecarc	i just sit
22:49:59	thecrecarc	and polay comp
22:50:01	thecrecarc	and watch tv
22:50:09	thecrecarc	my scedual is SO busy :)
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22:50:48	Myr-	hi ;)
22:51:29	thecrecarc	anyways, i just wanted to show the site and go cheer the gmini tema on.... and hopefully is i have money left after buying my gmini i will donate it :)
22:52:00	Myr-	just wanted to ask here before I use the mailinglist. I have a question about digital out. Is there a way to have rockbox shut down the digital output between tracks?
22:52:49	Myr-	I remember somebody filed that behavior as a bug a long time ago, but i could use it.
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23:02:13	Myr-	hmm. the reason I would appreciate to have that feature is copying files from rockbox to minidisc. The minidisc-deck can detect such short shutdown as automatic track splits.
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