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| 04:51:06 | travisimo | Soooo.... will there be a h300 rockbox firmware thing? |
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| 05:09:39 | travisimo | So will there be a rockbox firmwarething for iriver h300? |
| 05:11:20 | rasher | likely, yes |
| 05:12:36 | travisimo | thats awesome, thank you |
| 05:12:56 | rasher | right now they're focusing on the h100 series |
| 05:16:20 | travisimo | oh |
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| 12:48:13 | Bagder | time to build a coldfire compiler |
| 12:49:11 | ripnetuk | the instructions on the web site to create a cross compiler are very good :) |
| 12:49:29 | Bagder | I agree |
| 12:49:37 | Bagder | but... |
| 12:49:45 | ripnetuk | are you building the reccomended version (3.3.4) or the latest? |
| 12:49:50 | Bagder | the current CVS of binutils doesn't work |
| 12:51:10 | Bagder | I'm gonna try 3.4.3 |
| 12:51:33 | Bagder | the 3.3.4 recommendation is mainly for the archoses |
| 12:51:47 | ripnetuk | the cvs worked for me last week (binutils) |
| 12:53:40 | Bagder | I think I lack some tool or something |
| 12:54:10 | ripnetuk | i put a couple of depends on the wiki |
| 12:54:42 | Bagder | I noticed, but I thought 'gettext-base' (debian) would be enough |
| 12:55:00 | Bagder | I guess I was wrong |
| 12:55:34 | ripnetuk | the error messages were very unclear |
| 12:55:43 | ripnetuk | i did some googling on the message and got lucky :) |
| 12:56:12 | | Part Zagor |
| 12:56:26 | Bagder | yes, seems to work now |
| 12:56:34 | ripnetuk | cool |
| 12:59:50 | ripnetuk | so are you testing the bootloader then :) |
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| 13:00:20 | Bagder | I'll even go for more than so ;-) |
| 13:01:08 | Bagder | I'll work on getting more stuff to compile and build for the iriver |
| 13:01:40 | DMJC-L | ? |
| 13:01:53 | DMJC-L | can you flash an iriver atm with the new firmware? |
| 13:02:20 | Bagder | yes |
| 13:02:22 | ripnetuk | i really want to see the flashing backlight - that is the proof of concept (on my specific player) that i need |
| 13:02:34 | ripnetuk | and the dangerous bit over :) |
| 13:02:50 | DMJC-L | what happens when you flash it? |
| 13:03:02 | DMJC-L | will it become a brick? or will the old firmware still be useable? |
| 13:03:06 | Bagder | DMJC-L: you get a bootloader that can either start the original one, or load Rockbox and run it |
| 13:03:12 | ripnetuk | it looks for a rockbox.bin on the hdd by default. If you hold rec it will run the original |
| 13:03:14 | DMJC-L | cool |
| 13:03:30 | ripnetuk | but the advice from LinusN is to wait until he includes more safety features |
| 13:03:39 | DMJC-L | ok |
| 13:03:39 | ripnetuk | otherwise you risk bricking it! |
| 13:03:56 | ripnetuk | im waiting till at least one other person has flashed it |
| 13:04:17 | Bagder | yes, its better that us people near the BDM try this first |
| 13:04:24 | DMJC-L | heh |
| 13:04:29 | ripnetuk | thats why im badgering bagder (sorry!) to see how his testing is going :) |
| 13:06:35 | Bagder | m68k-elf-gcc −−version |
| 13:06:36 | ripnetuk | does anyone know which version of gcc linus is using for m68 stuff? everyone else seems to be using a more recent one than me (im using 3.3.4 - everyone else seems to be using 3.4.3). |
| 13:06:36 | Bagder | m68k-elf-gcc (GCC) 3.4.3 |
| 13:06:55 | ripnetuk | that built quick :) |
| 13:06:57 | Bagder | I don't know |
| 13:07:03 | Bagder | yeps, core only |
| 13:07:16 | ripnetuk | what does core only mean? no gdb? |
| 13:07:33 | Bagder | no c++, no fortran, no java etc |
| 13:07:40 | ripnetuk | i see |
| 13:07:48 | Bagder | gdb is a separate package |
| 13:08:03 | ripnetuk | i skipped gdb as im not planning on building the serial dongle |
| 13:08:11 | ripnetuk | unless forced to by a bad flash :) |
| 13:16:16 | * | Bagder edited CrossCompiler somewhat |
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| 13:18:43 | ripnetuk | im building the latest version of gcc now... i want to be using the same tools as everyone else... i will keep both versions binaries handy |
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| 13:51:51 | DMJC-L | bah I can't be bothered building all this compiler crap |
| 13:51:53 | DMJC-L | can someone send me the files prebuilt when they get it working? |
| 13:52:15 | Bagder | why? |
| 13:52:35 | Bagder | if you don't want the compiler setup, why would you want to see a flashing backlight you can't turn off? |
| 13:52:46 | DMJC-L | wait what? |
| 13:53:03 | Bagder | that's all rockbox does atm |
| 13:53:12 | DMJC-L | ah |
| 13:53:14 | DMJC-L | bah |
| 13:53:19 | DMJC-L | forget it then |
| 13:53:26 | DMJC-L | keep up the good work tho ;) |
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| 14:01:24 | Bagder | now I only have like a 100 link errors, then it builds... :-) |
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| 14:07:03 | ripnetuk | im still building 3.4.3 |
| 14:07:31 | ripnetuk | (i rebuilt 3.3.4 first because i want a neat directory structure!) |
| 14:07:42 | Bagder | :-) |
| 14:08:03 | ripnetuk | i want to get that same md5 on the bootloader that everyone else is getting :) |
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| 14:22:50 | Bagder | 93 errors to go |
| 14:25:34 | ashridah | heh. i love watching people new to programming fix errors in their code. they do that whole 'wtf?! 30 errors?' thing and get depressed, then you tell them to only fix the first error, and recompile, and they're all happy because it drops to 2 errors :) |
| 14:26:03 | ze | hehe |
| 14:27:49 | ripnetuk | \yes :) i have a md5sum of 9da072762fbb437ff4cb28fbcc29d0a8 on bootloader.bin :) |
| 14:29:05 | ripnetuk | bagder - why do many errors? are you trying to compile the rest of rockbox? i thought LinusN had already made headway porting it, just not committed to cvs? |
| 14:29:17 | Bagder | he only built a subset |
| 14:29:26 | Bagder | I'm trying the full thing |
| 14:29:32 | Bagder | (except plugins) |
| 14:29:48 | ripnetuk | nice |
| 14:30:03 | Bagder | I talked to him yday about this, so he's aware of my work |
| 14:30:10 | ripnetuk | the toolchain uses up a lot of space - 3.3.4 and 3.4.3 (incluiding tarballs) come to ... 1.1GIG :) |
| 14:30:16 | Bagder | ! |
| 14:30:54 | ripnetuk | have you flashed then? |
| 14:31:00 | Bagder | nope |
| 14:49:34 | Bagder | 34 errors |
| 14:50:30 | ripnetuk | getting there |
| 14:51:07 | Bagder | one step at a time |
| 14:51:17 | Bagder | adding dummy stubs all over |
| 14:51:29 | ripnetuk | i make that 59 sterp :) |
| 14:51:30 | dwihno | Bagder: what are you doing really? trying to compile the current codebase with the calmrisc(?) gcc? |
| 14:51:32 | ripnetuk | steps |
| 14:51:42 | ripnetuk | he is doing m68k |
| 14:51:42 | Bagder | dwihno: no, coldfire |
| 14:52:00 | dwihno | Bagder: is it a big diff? |
| 14:52:10 | * | dwihno knows nothing about motorola processors |
| 14:52:23 | dwihno | Apart from the 68000 being a cool thing :) |
| 14:52:40 | Bagder | the code is assuming Archos and SH all over |
| 14:52:45 | Bagder | not very surprisingly |
| 14:53:27 | dwihno | yeah |
| 14:53:48 | dwihno | is it a major hassle to make the stubs? |
| 14:54:06 | Bagder | it isn't hard or anything |
| 14:54:09 | Bagder | just a lot of work |
| 14:54:36 | dwihno | It has to be done :) |
| 14:54:40 | Bagder | yeps |
| 14:55:11 | Bagder | then we should be able to do more than flash backlight :-) |
| 14:55:26 | ripnetuk | nice |
| 14:55:29 | dwihno | that's all you can do atm? :) |
| 14:55:46 | Bagder | we can do more, but the default iriver build only does that |
| 14:56:11 | dwihno | it's a start :) |
| 14:56:19 | dwihno | with the current codebase, where are the limits drawn? |
| 14:56:34 | Bagder | which limits do you mean? |
| 14:57:28 | dwihno | Well, file system driver, ata stuff, missing audio output |
| 14:57:47 | Bagder | the ata and fat32 work |
| 14:57:51 | Bagder | the lcd driver works |
| 14:57:51 | dwihno | Theoretically, perhaps you could run the dir browser? |
| 14:57:55 | Bagder | yes |
| 14:58:00 | Bagder | once I'm done with this |
| 14:58:10 | ripnetuk | i think linus has a jpg on the site showing dir browser |
| 14:58:12 | Bagder | and load fonts |
| 14:58:35 | Bagder | that's actually a fake dir browser I believe ;-) |
| 14:58:40 | dwihno | ;) |
| 14:58:51 | Bagder | it reads the dir and show the contents |
| 14:58:56 | Bagder | its not the actual dir browser code |
| 14:59:13 | Bagder | but we're coming there soon |
| 14:59:24 | dwihno | so what is missing in the stubs? |
| 14:59:39 | Bagder | its mostly about mpeg playing |
| 14:59:46 | Bagder | and mas stuff |
| 14:59:46 | dwihno | audio specific stuff |
| 14:59:50 | Bagder | yes |
| 14:59:55 | dwihno | would've guessed that |
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| 15:00:21 | dwihno | has there been any disussion regarding codec integration? |
| 15:00:35 | Bagder | there's a wiki page about it |
| 15:01:10 | dwihno | ah |
| 15:01:13 | dwihno | I'll check it later on |
| 15:02:05 | dwihno | Nice of you to get your hands dirty and do this now... Once the bootloader goes gold, people will dev like crazy! :) |
| 15:02:39 | DMJC-L | hell yeah |
| 15:03:03 | DMJC-L | isn't this the closest thing to having an oen spec ipod? |
| 15:03:05 | DMJC-L | open |
| 15:03:13 | DMJC-L | I mean I know it's better than an ipod.. |
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| 15:26:39 | Bagder | they run linux on ipod, I would say that is even closer to an open source on ipod |
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| 15:37:15 | Bagder | 18 |
| 15:37:28 | ripnetuk | 18 green bottles hanging in the wall... |
| 15:37:48 | ripnetuk | is is you who has lent their iriver to someone? |
| 15:37:59 | Bagder | no, that's zagor |
| 15:38:08 | Bagder | mine is here |
| 15:38:29 | ripnetuk | cool... and you live close enough to LinusN to bdm it if needed? |
| 15:38:34 | Bagder | yes |
| 15:38:51 | Bagder | but I'll still let Linus flash his own 140 first |
| 15:39:15 | ripnetuk | i thought he had already done that |
| 15:39:26 | Bagder | no, only his 120 I believe |
| 15:39:39 | ripnetuk | i see... i doiidnt realise he had both |
| 15:39:53 | Bagder | he has a 120 with the BDM soldered to it |
| 15:39:58 | Bagder | and a separate 140 he can use |
| 15:40:00 | ripnetuk | i might pull mine apart and compare the chips to those on the wiki, to see if anything has changed |
| 15:41:17 | preglow | i really doubt that |
| 15:41:21 | preglow | mine was identical, at least |
| 15:41:32 | Bagder | 15 errors |
| 15:41:46 | Bagder | but I don't think I'll reach further right now |
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| 15:42:26 | Bagder | perhaps I should try some plugins... :-) |
| 15:42:43 | preglow | what're you doing? |
| 15:42:58 | Bagder | I build the full rockbox with m68k |
| 15:43:49 | preglow | ahhh |
| 15:44:05 | Bagder | Linus' version was a stripped one |
| 15:45:19 | preglow | but 15 errors isn't too bad at all |
| 15:45:29 | Bagder | they're all related to one problem |
| 15:45:44 | Bagder | I start with ~200 |
| 15:45:45 | preglow | the m68k gcc target is unfortunately a bit old and crummy, i'm told :/ |
| 15:45:46 | Bagder | started |
| 15:46:06 | preglow | what problem is that? |
| 15:46:20 | Bagder | undefined reference to `mp3end |
| 15:46:33 | Bagder | mp3end being a symbol in the link file |
| 15:46:40 | preglow | 7hmm |
| 15:47:06 | preglow | i'd like to try porting mad |
| 15:47:14 | preglow | do you know if anyone are doing that at the moment? |
| 15:47:24 | Bagder | I don't think so |
| 15:47:39 | preglow | i don't know if i have the time, though |
| 15:47:51 | preglow | and i need to find out the dsp caps of the coldfire first |
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| 15:59:08 | preglow | i appreciate configure complaining about my compiler not being able to make executables when the thing in question is a library |
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| 15:59:18 | Quelsaruk | hi |
| 15:59:32 | Bagder | hi Q |
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| 16:11:04 | preglow | seems like mad uses 64 bit ints, lovely |
| 16:12:37 | ripnetuk | doesnt coldfire support 64 bit ints then? cant the compiler make up the gap? |
| 16:13:27 | preglow | i'd really like to use the emac unit, but i have to find out how it works before i do anything else |
| 16:13:47 | ripnetuk | is the emac a dsp thing? like mmx and simd? |
| 16:14:43 | preglow | no, not really, it's just an extended precision multiply and accumulate unit |
| 16:14:50 | preglow | fast good precision multiply and add, in other words |
| 16:14:55 | preglow | which is more or less what dsp is about ;) |
| 16:15:10 | ripnetuk | i dont have specific esxperience with media encoding... |
| 16:15:39 | preglow | dsp is one of my main interests |
| 16:15:53 | ripnetuk | cool topic to be interested in |
| 16:16:01 | preglow | but i've never used fixed point seriously at all, so this is going to be fun |
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| 16:16:19 | LinusN | shalom |
| 16:16:23 | preglow | indeed |
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| 16:17:12 | LinusN | never used fixed point? you are so spoiled :-) |
| 16:18:34 | preglow | i've used it, but not seriously |
| 16:18:42 | preglow | like i have floating point |
| 16:18:58 | preglow | but i know how to use it, i'm just not used to it ;) |
| 16:19:28 | preglow | you get some kind of backlog or are you just psychic? |
| 16:19:40 | LinusN | i'm psychic |
| 16:19:42 | LinusN | :-) |
| 16:19:44 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt |
| 16:19:50 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/ |
| 16:19:54 | preglow | nice |
| 16:20:01 | LinusN | logs since the very beginning of the project |
| 16:20:38 | ripnetuk | ive put up a php site that grabs the current log for today and highlights any lines that contain iriver :) usefull for keeping up with progress |
| 16:20:44 | preglow | think i'll stick to current |
| 16:20:49 | Quelsaruk | LinusN is like a wizard |
| 16:20:50 | preglow | hah |
| 16:20:55 | Quelsaruk | he knows when people need him |
| 16:20:58 | preglow | ripnetuk: got an url? :P |
| 16:20:59 | Quelsaruk | and apears |
| 16:21:03 | LinusN | Bagder: which link control file are you using? |
| 16:21:05 | ripnetuk | http://www.ripnet.co.uk/rockboxirc/ |
| 16:21:36 | ripnetuk | it also cuts out the crap (join, leave etc) and highlights the wise words of linusn in a different colour :) |
| 16:22:19 | preglow | ripnetuk: hah, this is quite excellent |
| 16:22:34 | ripnetuk | ta |
| 16:22:46 | ripnetuk | you can also enter a previous log date and see that highlighted |
| 16:22:58 | LinusN | ripnetuk: excessive line spacing |
| 16:23:09 | ripnetuk | maybe, but it reads good on my pda |
| 16:23:17 | Lynx_ | ripnetuk: hmm, it also hightlights my wise words if i type LinusN ;) |
| 16:23:24 | preglow | haha |
| 16:23:27 | ripnetuk | yes, its not very sophisticated :) |
| 16:24:17 | LinusN | i have to go |
| 16:24:22 | LinusN | cu around |
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| 17:56:19 | preglow | does rockbox have a malloc type thing? |
| 17:56:59 | preglow | it actually has malloc, wee |
| 17:57:53 | ripnetuk | i thought malloc was considered the work of the devil by rockbox? |
| 17:58:20 | ripnetuk | bye |
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| 18:01:16 | preglow | well, the archos has little memory, perhaps that's why |
| 18:02:27 | preglow | damn, i'm replying to absent people, thinking they might be reading these fancy logging pages |
| 18:10:38 | preglow | where does __assert come from? |
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| 18:56:40 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: r u there? |
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| 19:10:09 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: N6w a0, |
| 19:10:16 | amiconn | erm, now I am |
| 19:10:25 | [IDC]Dragon | looks interesting ;-) |
| 19:10:42 | amiconn | Yeah. I *hate* numlock on laptops :-/ |
| 19:10:55 | [IDC]Dragon | I've written an email, meanwhile |
| 19:11:12 | * | amiconn is checking email |
| 19:11:18 | [IDC]Dragon | not sent yet |
| 19:11:52 | [IDC]Dragon | anyway, I fail to reproduce your problem with the MMC image |
| 19:12:06 | [IDC]Dragon | using CVS-050131 for now |
| 19:12:08 | amiconn | Really? |
| 19:12:22 | amiconn | I tried it on my sister's Ondio last weekend - same problem. |
| 19:12:51 | * | amiconn builds current cvs and retries... |
| 19:12:51 | [IDC]Dragon | instead, I get an audio underrung close to the end |
| 19:13:10 | [IDC]Dragon | underrun |
| 19:19:43 | amiconn | The problem is still there |
| 19:19:53 | [IDC]Dragon | hmm |
| 19:20:32 | [IDC]Dragon | should we compare with an identical daily build version? |
| 19:20:43 | amiconn | Played the video file, choose resume = yes, played a few seconds, stopped. File was displayed in current dir, pressed left -> no files and folders displayed |
| 19:21:12 | [IDC]Dragon | I tried similar |
| 19:21:20 | amiconn | I can try to play up to the end, should be the same. |
| 19:21:24 | [IDC]Dragon | with above daily build |
| 19:21:50 | amiconn | What works is when you start playing at the beginning and stop before ~2:49 are played. |
| 19:22:16 | amiconn | You used an official daily, or an own build? Flashed? |
| 19:22:28 | [IDC]Dragon | official build, flashed |
| 19:23:05 | amiconn | Hmm, lemme try. I'll also compare rombox (what I am running all the time) with rockbox from ram. |
| 19:23:14 | amiconn | 050131? |
| 19:23:21 | [IDC]Dragon | yep |
| 19:23:40 | [IDC]Dragon | but no rombox :-( |
| 19:24:48 | amiconn | Yes, that's clear. |
| 19:25:18 | amiconn | Anyway, this shouldn't make a difference, as my sister's Ondio had the same problem, also without rombox (FM). |
| 19:25:32 | [IDC]Dragon | flashed, I guess? |
| 19:25:39 | amiconn | yup |
| 19:27:14 | amiconn | Same problem with CVS-050131, from ram |
| 19:27:40 | [IDC]Dragon | very strange |
| 19:28:00 | [IDC]Dragon | looks like your card fails |
| 19:28:11 | [IDC]Dragon | or marginal timing |
| 19:28:18 | amiconn | I'll reformat & write back the image. |
| 19:28:30 | [IDC]Dragon | I'll do that, too |
| 19:28:57 | [IDC]Dragon | I ran chckdsk on it, but read only |
| 19:30:24 | [IDC]Dragon | c u later |
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| 19:36:18 | amiconn | Bagder: r u there? |
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| 20:25:11 | HCl | mrf |
| 20:25:19 | HCl | sup? |
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| 21:00:38 | pvh | Hi, as of yesterday when I start rockbox, the disk spins up and reads a little bit, but then the access light stays on and it never goes past the boot-logo. |
| 21:00:49 | pvh | I'm running a rombox build from September. |
| 21:01:13 | pvh | Holding F1 gives me the classic archos boot screen which then becomes the rockbox logo and freezes there instead. |
| 21:01:17 | pvh | Any ideas? |
| 21:23:00 | HCl | :x |
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| 21:34:44 | Peter99 | I have a question concerning the ID3 database |
| 21:35:14 | Peter99 | I did follow the instructions given on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagDatabase . |
| 21:36:06 | Peter99 | I switched the view to "ID3 database" but it does not show anything |
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| 21:41:19 | Peter99 | Any help is appreciated |
| 21:41:53 | jyp_ | Zagor is the developer of the id3 stuff |
| 21:43:13 | jyp_ | I don't know if any one else can help you |
| 21:46:46 | Peter99 | Ok thanks anyway |
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| 22:00:50 | * | HCl yawns |
| 22:01:01 | HCl | has anyone aside from linus tested the new iriver bootloader yet? |
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| 22:09:02 | DMJC-L | I want to damnit |
| 22:09:10 | HCl | whats keeping you? o.o; |
| 22:09:23 | DMJC-L | I don't want to build the compiler heh |
| 22:09:30 | HCl | prf. |
| 22:09:38 | HCl | meh, i guess i could compile it for you if you want? |
| 22:09:46 | DMJC-L | sure |
| 22:09:55 | HCl | ofcourse, you'd have to trust me and stuff, but why would i want to mess up an iriver of a person o.o; |
| 22:10:04 | DMJC-L | afaik the bootloader shouldn't get updated much right? |
| 22:10:09 | HCl | *searches on how to compile the bootloader |
| 22:10:18 | HCl | well, i looked at the code of it a bit, it seems fairly straightforward |
| 22:10:31 | HCl | the only thing that might change in the future is the memory address, maybe, i dunno. |
| 22:10:36 | HCl | let me try to compile it for you.. |
| 22:10:47 | DMJC-L | they tested it with the original firmware? |
| 22:10:50 | HCl | i hope it'll do threads while compiling |
| 22:10:51 | HCl | yea. |
| 22:10:55 | HCl | it runs rockbox by default |
| 22:10:58 | HCl | and the original firmware |
| 22:11:01 | HCl | if you press record |
| 22:11:02 | HCl | while booting |
| 22:11:04 | DMJC-L | as long as i can access the original it's good |
| 22:11:18 | HCl | well, obviously, only linus tested it, so i can't guarantee it |
| 22:11:20 | HCl | but it *should* work |
| 22:12:00 | DMJC-L | I find your lack of faith disturbing |
| 22:12:05 | DMJC-L | j/k |
| 22:12:08 | HCl | ? o.o |
| 22:12:08 | HCl | ok :P |
| 22:12:38 | HCl | i'm just careful to not guarantee anything. so people will know the exact risk, and stuff. |
| 22:12:55 | DMJC-L | yeah |
| 22:12:58 | HCl | pretty much, it *should* work, and there's not really a reason why it wouldn't, but no one guarantees that it won't |
| 22:13:03 | HCl | eh |
| 22:13:03 | HCl | will |
| 22:13:13 | HCl | anyways |
| 22:13:16 | HCl | let me get to that building stuff. |
| 22:13:26 | DMJC-L | k |
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| 22:18:56 | DMJC-L | damnit... I wanted to ask linus about the 140s... |
| 22:19:02 | DMJC-L | since that's what I have |
| 22:19:59 | HCl | m? |
| 22:20:03 | HCl | what about them..? |
| 22:20:23 | HCl | they're pretty much exactly the same as the 120, except they're black,slightly bigger, and have a 40gb hd |
| 22:21:22 | DMJC-L | heh |
| 22:21:47 | DMJC-L | the extra width is from the hdd afaik |
| 22:22:04 | HCl | yea |
| 22:22:12 | HCl | they even have the exact same firmware |
| 22:23:11 | DMJC-L | will rockbox be able to handle hdd over 40gb? |
| 22:23:32 | DMJC-L | (future mods) |
| 22:23:50 | HCl | yup |
| 22:24:04 | HCl | its just a matter of finding a hdd that small that'll fit in the iriver |
| 22:24:12 | DMJC-L | wicked |
| 22:24:20 | HCl | even the stock firmware might support a hdd upgrade since its used for both the 20gb and 40gb hdds |
| 22:24:37 | HCl | thank god for make -j5 |
| 22:24:54 | DMJC-L | steal an ipod, butcher it |
| 22:25:01 | HCl | heh |
| 22:25:10 | * | HCl pats his 4 550mhz cpus :) |
| 22:25:20 | DMJC-L | hehehe nice |
| 22:26:18 | DMJC-L | so how do you install rockbox? just place it on the drive and tell it to flash? |
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| 22:28:16 | HCl | yea.. pretty much, i'll merge the bootloader with the original firmware |
| 22:28:20 | HCl | then give it to you |
| 22:28:27 | HCl | there's a new wikipage on how to do it |
| 22:28:37 | HCl | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot |
| 22:28:54 | jyp | If you butcher an ipod, I take the lcd ;? |
| 22:29:01 | jyp | ;) |
| 22:30:16 | HCl | i'm getting the idea make with multiple threads doesn't play well with binutils :/ |
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| 22:30:38 | * | HCl will have to run on one cpu u.u |
| 22:30:58 | DMJC-L | take your time |
| 22:31:15 | ripnetUK | hehe the build process for the bootloader takes less than 10s - multi threaded build is overkill |
| 22:31:23 | HCl | DMJC-L: want me to tweak the source of the bootloader so it'll load iriver firmware by default? |
| 22:31:30 | DMJC-L | sure |
| 22:31:31 | HCl | ripnetUK: i don't have a crosscompiler yet |
| 22:31:37 | ripnetUK | i see... |
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| 22:32:15 | ripnetUK | you are welcome to a copy of my binaries if u like, but sounds like u are already there. I have built both 3.4.3 and 3.3.4 |
| 22:32:27 | HCl | nah, its okay.. i think. |
| 22:32:31 | uhum | uh...um.... |
| 22:32:34 | ripnetUK | i also get the same md5 on bootloader.bin |
| 22:32:44 | ripnetUK | as some others have reported... but I dare not flash my 140 |
| 22:32:46 | uhum | are you freaking crazy? do you want to brick your player? |
| 22:33:09 | HCl | thats what they said when people talked about plans of going to the moon ;p |
| 22:33:09 | * | uhum is talking to DMJC-L |
| 22:33:12 | DMJC-L | ? |
| 22:33:14 | ripnetUK | it has to be noted that Linus has only tried the firmware on ONE h120 not a h140, and that it has no safety features |
| 22:33:31 | ripnetUK | he is working on a couple of safety features. |
| 22:33:50 | uhum | HCl, true, but people went to the moon had PLANS, and calculations |
| 22:33:52 | DMJC-L | "safety features?" |
| 22:33:52 | ripnetUK | but it also has to be said that I have come close to risking it a couple of times... would be fun to build a bdm :) |
| 22:33:59 | uhum | exactly |
| 22:34:12 | uhum | okie, tada, just wanted to let you know DMJC-L |
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| 22:34:19 | HCl | o.o |
| 22:34:22 | HCl | who was that anyways? xD |
| 22:34:35 | HCl | but yea, like i told you, you need to be aware that no one guarantees that it'll work |
| 22:34:43 | HCl | but it *should* |
| 22:34:48 | ripnetUK | from a selfish point of view, I cant wait until someone else tries it on a h140 :) but i advise against it |
| 22:35:10 | DMJC-L | will my brick still work as a hard drive? |
| 22:35:21 | ripnetUK | which version of gcc u using hcl? |
| 22:35:23 | jyp | no |
| 22:35:25 | HCl | if you get the harddrive out :X |
| 22:35:31 | DMJC-L | bah |
| 22:35:34 | HCl | i got the recommended one |
| 22:35:40 | ripnetUK | the 3.3.4? |
| 22:35:41 | HCl | 3.3.4? |
| 22:35:42 | HCl | yea |
| 22:35:43 | HCl | that |
| 22:36:03 | ripnetUK | brb... shop run |
| 22:36:52 | DMJC-L | what safety features |
| 22:37:08 | HCl | dunno :X |
| 22:38:07 | DMJC-L | I think I'll wait to hear about those |
| 22:38:16 | HCl | *nods* |
| 22:38:23 | ripnetUK | he is writing a minimon, which will allow a (partially) failed attempt to flash to be recovered with a simple circuit |
| 22:38:32 | ripnetUK | instead of needing a full bdm emulator. |
| 22:38:46 | HCl | i'm gonna make my cross compiler anyways |
| 22:38:48 | ripnetUK | I also heard he is making the exception vector jump to the original firmware in case something goes wrong |
| 22:39:08 | HCl | sounds reasonable |
| 22:39:40 | ripnetUK | the main thing i am worried about is a slight hardware difference between the 120 and the 140 (or different revisions of the board) |
| 22:39:48 | DMJC-L | yeah |
| 22:40:04 | DMJC-L | that's what I suspected could happen |
| 22:40:26 | DMJC-L | being a different physical shape is not a good indicator of sameness |
| 22:41:03 | Bagder | the disk is thicker |
| 22:41:10 | Bagder | that's why |
| 22:41:48 | DMJC-L | I know |
| 22:41:56 | DMJC-L | 2 platters vs 1 |
| 22:42:09 | ripnetUK | they use the same firmware, but it could well be "if chip is x, do y else do z" job... |
| 22:42:15 | ripnetUK | anyway, brb, shop |
| 22:42:16 | DMJC-L | heh |
| 22:42:23 | DMJC-L | I suspected that too.. |
| 22:42:32 | DMJC-L | that's how nvidia's drivers work for their gfx |
| 22:45:02 | HCl | i honestly have no clue whether they do that or not. |
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| 22:45:39 | HCl | has anyone ever opened an ihp140 up to compare the boards? |
| 22:45:41 | HCl | to an 120 ? |
| 22:45:52 | HCl | someone's bound to have done that.. |
| 22:46:09 | amiconn | Iirc, Linus did this, and (again iirc) the boards are identical |
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| 22:46:22 | HCl | kay |
| 22:46:34 | Quelsaruk | hi |
| 22:46:42 | amiconn | hi Quelsaruk |
| 22:46:43 | HCl | hey quelsathingy |
| 22:46:45 | HCl | how goes? |
| 22:46:56 | Quelsaruk | :) |
| 22:47:07 | Quelsaruk | working hard |
| 22:47:10 | Quelsaruk | sadly.. |
| 22:47:12 | HCl | *nods* |
| 22:47:20 | HCl | well, working isn't bad as long as you enjoy your work |
| 22:47:54 | HCl | so you can either change the work, or do something to make it more enjoyable :P |
| 22:47:58 | Quelsaruk | ;) |
| 22:48:19 | Quelsaruk | i like my job, but i prefer having more spare time |
| 22:48:30 | HCl | mhm. |
| 22:48:50 | HCl | music often helps me a lot while doing work i dislike |
| 22:49:04 | Quelsaruk | that's why we use rockbox ;) |
| 22:49:13 | HCl | yup :P |
| 22:49:13 | HCl | well. |
| 22:49:21 | HCl | in my case, will use rockbox |
| 22:49:24 | HCl | doesn't work yet :/ |
| 22:49:42 | Quelsaruk | yo use iriver then? |
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| 22:50:39 | rasher | jesus |
| 22:50:56 | HCl | Quelsaruk: yup |
| 22:51:08 | HCl | i can't wait to work on a gameboy emu for it |
| 22:53:14 | Quelsaruk | amiconn: have you seen Eodun today? |
| 22:53:16 | Bagder | commits coming up |
| 22:53:30 | Quelsaruk | he had to send me some cosmetic changes for Espanol.lang |
| 22:54:12 | amiconn | Quelsaruk: Nope. |
| 22:54:18 | amiconn | Quote from logbot: |
| 22:54:23 | amiconn | -logbot_- eodun (~Eodun@80-28-111-90.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net) signed off 11 hours and 5 minutes ago (Client Quit) |
| 22:54:28 | Quelsaruk | oh |
| 22:58:35 | amiconn | Reg. the "playlist" / "buffer full" issue: I wonder why these are defined as 2 strings in the first place. They are joined for displaying with splash() anyway. If they were defined as one string from the start, nobody would have been tempted to reuse it... |
| 22:59:11 | Bagder | it was a bad decision that has remained so |
| 22:59:16 | Quelsaruk | because when lang files where created, splash function did not exist |
| 22:59:54 | Quelsaruk | so "splash windows" where just a black screen with the text message |
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| 23:00:02 | Quelsaruk | :/ |
| 23:00:36 | HCl | mmm |
| 23:00:44 | HCl | does rockbox have anything like a HAL yet? |
| 23:00:50 | Bagder | no |
| 23:00:55 | HCl | or is that just too inefficient to implement on a small rom |
| 23:00:55 | HCl | ? |
| 23:01:34 | Bagder | I don't think we need a general HAL, but instead focus on writing abstract layers where we think it is applicable |
| 23:01:39 | Quelsaruk | i suppose the easiest way to repair that is to use the LANG_PLAYINDICES_BUFFER as the text "Playlist buffer is full" and leave LANG_PLAYINDICES_PLAYLIST just as "Playlist" |
| 23:01:44 | jyp | Ain't the firmware directory sort of a HAL ? |
| 23:01:53 | Bagder | sort of |
| 23:01:58 | jyp | ok |
| 23:01:58 | Bagder | right |
| 23:02:18 | jyp | just fearing to port the app dir ;) |
| 23:02:21 | Bagder | we should probably make it that somewhat harder |
| 23:02:26 | amiconn | Quelsaruk: I think I have to agree. There are 2 slightly odd things that may happen. |
| 23:02:39 | Bagder | jyp: I've done several fixes there now that'll benefit your work too |
| 23:02:45 | jyp | Great |
| 23:02:52 | Bagder | jyp: since I built apps for iriver today |
| 23:03:14 | amiconn | (1) If someone uses newer rockbox with older .lng file, it would only display "buffer full" instead of "Playlist buffer full" |
| 23:03:23 | jyp | btw did the usb driver for gmini |
| 23:03:32 | jyp | waiting to be enabled in config |
| 23:03:44 | amiconn | (2) The other way round, (old rockbox with new .lng), it would show "Playlist playlist buffer full" |
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| 23:04:00 | Bagder | jyp: nice, you're progressing mighty fine! |
| 23:04:15 | jyp | Well, it is untested stuff |
| 23:04:30 | Quelsaruk | but amiconn, that problem is going to happen if we try to repair it using other method |
| 23:04:35 | Quelsaruk | hi Eodun |
| 23:04:42 | Eodun | hi Quel |
| 23:04:45 | jyp | I just wanted to reduce the build log ;) |
| 23:04:57 | jyp | but the basic thing is there |
| 23:04:58 | Quelsaruk | if we add a new ID, called LANG_PLAYLIST |
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| 23:06:29 | amiconn | Bagder: You thought about decreasing the build table width. I'd suggest to put one word per line in the header for all targets, is it already is for Play/Sim/Win32 etc. |
| 23:06:35 | Quelsaruk | then, using new firmware, you have to retrieve the english text to read everywhere you use this new id |
| 23:07:29 | amiconn | Bagder: I.e. Ondio/SP, Ondio/FM, Iriver/H100/Boot etc. |
| 23:08:11 | Bagder | isn't it already one word per line? |
| 23:08:54 | * | jyp sees one word per line |
| 23:08:59 | amiconn | Quelsaruk: Of course, using your suggested method, the language id names have to stay as they are now. This can be slightly misleading; at least the description should clearly say what this is about |
| 23:09:28 | | Part thecrecarc |
| 23:09:30 | Quelsaruk | yes |
| 23:09:40 | amiconn | Bagder: Only if the browser window is small enough. For me, Ondio FM, Ondio SP, Iriver H100 all appear on one line |
| 23:09:46 | Quelsaruk | maybe adding a *WARNING* in the desc. |
| 23:10:03 | amiconn | The other examples I stated have a <br> between each two words. |
| 23:10:08 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: MMC image restored, still no problem |
| 23:10:15 | Bagder | if you have that much space, there's no need to make it narrower anyway |
| 23:10:29 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: MMC image retransferred, problem still exists... :( |
| 23:10:30 | Bagder | I was more concered when the table doesn't fit in a plain window anymore |
| 23:10:48 | [IDC]Dragon | or do I have to play from start (not resume to some end position)? |
| 23:11:08 | * | HCl yawns while he watches gcc and libc and libm compile.. |
| 23:11:08 | amiconn | Bagder: There would be one reason - the column widths are very unequal in width for me |
| 23:11:18 | Bagder | right |
| 23:11:19 | Bagder | I |
| 23:11:22 | Bagder | 'll fix |
| 23:11:58 | Bagder | jyp: took you down from 75 to 43 errors ;-) |
| 23:12:03 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: No, the problem occurs (for me) both when resuming and when playing from the start. Only that you have to play long enough, past 02:49 |
| 23:12:06 | Bagder | (but added 25 sim warnings) |
| 23:12:36 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: It also occurs for me when playing straight from start to end. |
| 23:12:46 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: ok, then my quick re-check should have showed it |
| 23:13:11 | [IDC]Dragon | shown |
| 23:13:23 | HCl | gee, done o.o; quad cpu systems are nice :P |
| 23:13:33 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Hmm. I'd really like to know what's going on here |
| 23:14:12 | [IDC]Dragon | do you have access to another MMC >= 256 MB? |
| 23:14:32 | Bagder | amiconn: try it now |
| 23:14:36 | amiconn | The problem is 100% reproducable on 2 Ondios with my card. I reformatted the card - no problem. I retransferred the image - no problem. Chkdsk tells me the fs is ok |
| 23:14:39 | HCl | Error: unrecognized architecture specification `5249' |
| 23:14:42 | HCl | hrm. :/ |
| 23:14:59 | Bagder | HCl: is this binutils from cvs? |
| 23:15:11 | [IDC]Dragon | and I swear it's working here |
| 23:15:29 | amiconn | Bagder: Nice :) Only that the many Gmini warnings & errors now make every table row 2-line :-/ |
| 23:15:30 | [IDC]Dragon | some side effect with the internal memory? |
| 23:15:35 | HCl | Bagder: no, i couldn't get the cvs binutils to compile |
| 23:15:41 | HCl | it asked for something called "no" |
| 23:15:43 | HCl | which i didn't have o.o; |
| 23:15:49 | Bagder | you need gettext |
| 23:15:53 | HCl | i have gettext... |
| 23:15:56 | Bagder | I got that exactly problem |
| 23:15:59 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: perhaps that matters, when it confuses volumes, or so |
| 23:16:00 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Sorry, it's the only MMC I have |
| 23:16:00 | Bagder | without gettext |
| 23:16:01 | HCl | i'll try it again.... |
| 23:16:15 | Bagder | HCl: you must use the cvs version, since the plain 2.15 lacks vital stuff |
| 23:16:37 | Bagder | patches provided by a certain LinusN... .-) |
| 23:17:36 | HCl | yea, i noticed |
| 23:17:54 | Quelsaruk | amiconn: wehn you have 5 minutes we can talk about that lang ID issue (when you finish with [idc]dragon) |
| 23:18:12 | amiconn | Grr, I'm already heavily multi-tasking :-/ |
| 23:18:25 | [IDC]Dragon | sorry for interfering, carry on please |
| 23:18:34 | * | amiconn is in the process of soldering and photo-shooting |
| 23:18:51 | * | [IDC]Dragon was unaware of other discussions |
| 23:18:58 | amiconn | (undoing uart boot mod for player & documenting for wiki) |
| 23:19:18 | [IDC]Dragon | good |
| 23:19:48 | Quelsaruk | [IDC]Dragon: don't worry, our issue is not too important |
| 23:19:55 | Quelsaruk | has been like this for at least 3 months |
| 23:19:56 | Quelsaruk | :) |
| 23:20:00 | amiconn | Quelsaruk: The problem with your suggestion would be that other languages which don't get updated still use the old assigments... |
| 23:21:02 | amiconn | There are languages which are waaaay outdated.... Rockbox shouldn't claim to suppport >20 languages when the number of actively maintained languages is <5 |
| 23:21:17 | HCl | :P |
| 23:21:30 | * | HCl wouldn't want a rockbox in his native language anyways... |
| 23:21:38 | HCl | computer programs in my native language creep me out. |
| 23:21:39 | HCl | :X |
| 23:21:48 | jyp | What language is it ? |
| 23:21:52 | HCl | dutch x.x |
| 23:21:58 | Quelsaruk | amiconn: we get a backwards compatibility, we have to decide wheter we want a good solution (i.e. correcting the lang ID and their use) or a easy patch which enable the use of old languages |
| 23:22:05 | amiconn | The latter are english (of course), german, swedish, spanish and (to some degree) french. Did I forget one? |
| 23:22:35 | Quelsaruk | i must say that part of the fault is mine |
| 23:22:59 | * | jyp should learn dutch |
| 23:23:01 | Quelsaruk | i was a long time away, so i did not update language patches.. and people did not submit new patches |
| 23:24:11 | HCl | jyp: nooooooo! |
| 23:24:13 | Eodun | well, I could make a catalan translation, but dunno if it would be more useful than swahili, for example... |
| 23:24:17 | HCl | dutch is awful :X |
| 23:24:58 | Quelsaruk | Eodun: i don't know.. you can try ;) |
| 23:25:01 | Eodun | lol, I mean, i love catalan, but don't think it would be downloaded a lot |
| 23:25:23 | jyp | HCl, as a french speaking Belgian citizen, you'd better know dutch to get better jobs ;) |
| 23:27:30 | Eodun | X-D If I write the catalan translation, I would have to make a new catalan voice... my own one! |
| 23:27:55 | Quelsaruk | you can use your real voice for that |
| 23:27:56 | Quelsaruk | :) |
| 23:28:14 | Eodun | yeah, that was what I tried to say :) |
| 23:28:26 | Eodun | Already have the TTS SDK |
| 23:28:48 | Eodun | but I lack a microphone, right now |
| 23:32:18 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I was looking for 2 GB MMCs today. Such beasts were presented by Pretec more than half a year ago. However, nobody offers these beasts yet :-/ |
| 23:32:55 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, I saw that, too |
| 23:33:32 | [IDC]Dragon | be patient, larger memory chips are coming |
| 23:33:40 | Bagder | sleep time, night |
| 23:33:49 | Quelsaruk | amiconn: i can check in japan |
| 23:33:53 | [IDC]Dragon | making large cards common, no special product |
| 23:34:03 | [IDC]Dragon | night Bagder |
| 23:34:14 | jyp | ny' |
| 23:34:16 | Quelsaruk | if they exist there, i may be able to send you one at the end of this month (with luck) |
| 23:34:32 | Eodun | hehe, just today a friend of mine has told me she broke her portatile's HD... 50 Gb... |
| 23:34:43 | amiconn | Bagder: Loads of warnings.... |
| 23:34:56 | Eodun | she says she's gonna give it away to me! |
| 23:35:10 | Quelsaruk | Eodun: that's great |
| 23:37:01 | Quelsaruk | :) |
| 23:37:17 | * | [IDC]Dragon says goodnight |
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| 23:39:23 | HCl | Bagder: works now, i guess it needed to re-run configure.. |
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| 23:54:50 | * | HCl is gonna get annoyed at gcc if it won't work after this.. |
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