| 00:00:07 | amiconn | Bleeding edge builds are incomplete anyway (no rocks for either Ondio, no gmini, no iriver) |
| 00:00:18 | Bagder | a zip file would fix that |
| 00:00:51 | linuxstb | Damn, found another unbounded malloc - the seek table. |
| 00:00:52 | Bagder | a make zip for every build |
| 00:01:58 | Bagder | hehe, and the player debug bleeding edge file is from april 25 2003 ;-) |
| 00:02:33 | amiconn | rofl |
| 00:03:15 | lImbus | hehe |
| 00:04:32 | HCl | hehe |
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| 00:06:20 | rasher | mosaic looks groovy |
| 00:07:19 | Trevmar | I GOT A PROBLEM - the oldest daily build in the archive at rockbox.org that I can access is 9 Jan and the software is already broken by then. I tried to construct a URL for older files and failed. Where do I get the older daily builds from, please??? |
| 00:07:43 | Bagder | nowhere |
| 00:07:46 | Bagder | they're removed |
| 00:08:04 | Bagder | you build older yourself by checking out older sources |
| 00:08:28 | Bagder | cvs co -D "date" rockbox |
| 00:08:29 | Bagder | iirc |
| 00:10:23 | Trevmar | OK, I didn't change over to the new CVS when you left Sourceforge, so I am way behind on source builds - lazy, I guess.. let me plug away at this because I may be wrong with Jan 9 working - I am looking at it in more detail. I shouldn't jump to conclusions :) Been out of software testing too long, I am afraid... |
| 00:10:42 | Bagder | no worries |
| 00:11:16 | rasher | when do the daily builds happen? |
| 00:11:44 | amiconn | 6 a.m. CET iirc |
| 00:11:53 | Trevmar | confirmed - it was broken before Jan 9th - sheez... |
| 00:12:12 | Bagder | ok, I modified the bleeding edge builds |
| 00:12:20 | Bagder | and the links to them |
| 00:12:30 | Bagder | now they're all rockbox.zip |
| 00:12:44 | amiconn | reboot, brb |
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| 00:13:06 | Bagder | so now there's an iRiver h1x0 link as well |
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| 00:16:23 | rasher | oh, and it actually works? |
| 00:16:33 | Bagder | I assume it does |
| 00:16:38 | rasher | rocking |
| 00:17:44 | Bagder | oops, the description was wrong, fixed now |
| 00:18:57 | Trevmar | OK, I have found that the 23 December OndioFM build is OK with 03 08 units but the Jan 9th build is not seeing the MMC card. It is going to be serious work for me to set up CVS so I can build some more daily builds between that period. Doesn't anybody have a backup or an archive? |
| 00:20:08 | * | HCl goes back to sleep.. |
| 00:20:15 | Bagder | Trevmar: during that period, there was only two changes in ata.c |
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| 00:20:34 | rasher | wow, cube looks great in full screen |
| 00:20:48 | rasher | but the perspective thing does look a bit odd at some moments |
| 00:20:48 | Bagder | and three in ata_mmc.c |
| 00:21:04 | [IDC]Dragon | ata.c is not involved |
| 00:21:09 | Bagder | ok |
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| 00:22:22 | Trevmar | if anybody has any build ZIPs maybe they could email them to me? I can test them pretty quick... (and without risk, 'cos I can always go back to uart_bot LOL) |
| 00:23:08 | rasher | What in the world does "xsanke: " mean in the "bounce" plugin? |
| 00:23:21 | Bagder | its a parameter |
| 00:23:43 | Bagder | its a speed for a second sine table, whose data is added to the first |
| 00:24:31 | Bagder | named like that as a tribute to the weird person who taught me that trick, many eons ago |
| 00:25:07 | rasher | heh okay |
| 00:26:59 | rasher | it'd be fun (although possibly more draining to the batteries) to be able to use these as actual screen savers |
| 00:27:54 | Bagder | I doubt very many would actually want that |
| 00:28:11 | amiconn | Hmm, strange. Both recorder and iRiver sim scroll when compiled for X11, however, when compiling Win32 sims, only the recorder sim does scroll... |
| 00:28:13 | rasher | probably |
| 00:28:49 | Bagder | amiconn: that is mighty strange |
| 00:29:41 | linuxstb | At what stage does Rockbox read the ID3 tags from a file? Is it when playing starts, or earlier? |
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| 00:29:57 | Bagder | linuxstb: when it loads the file to ram |
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| 00:30:36 | linuxstb | Bagder: Does it need to read it that early? |
| 00:31:01 | Bagder | yes, in order not to waste battery it reads the data when the disk is already spinning |
| 00:31:15 | Bagder | and then it also has info about next song etc |
| 00:31:46 | linuxstb | Is the next song info displayed (sorry, I haven't used my Archos for a while) |
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| 00:32:18 | Bagder | yes, if you use such a WPS-tag |
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| 00:33:22 | amiconn | ..but the screen update of these is broken, depending on the line type you insert them they may not get updated :( |
| 00:33:33 | Bagder | yes, it still needs improvement |
| 00:33:45 | Bagder | but that's not limited to next-song |
| 00:33:49 | linuxstb | With FLAC, the procedure is: init decoder, process file up to end of meta-data, process rest of file, reset decoder ready for next file |
| 00:34:24 | Bagder | amiconn: try a fixed string with "time remaining" appended, long enough to scroll |
| 00:34:27 | linuxstb | So it looks like I need an efficient way to read the metadata from a FLAC file, without creating a full decoder instance (needing 150K RAM). |
| 00:35:03 | Bagder | that would be the best, yes |
| 00:41:53 | Bagder | time to hit bed |
| 00:44:13 | [IDC]Dragon | here too |
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| 00:46:40 | rasher | Here as well |
| 00:47:09 | lImbus | well then. good night on all sides |
| 00:48:42 | Trevmar | Goonight. I guess I will do more testing if anybody sends me some OndioFM daily build Zips from 23 Dec to 9 Jan to test.. |
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| 00:51:59 | webguest43 | hi ! has anyone managed to run the iriver without battery ? |
| 00:52:11 | webguest43 | i.e. direct hookup to a power supply ? |
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| 03:57:13 | XShocK | hmm. I realized that SPDIF output is active all the time in Rockbox. IS it supposed to be like that? |
| 03:57:22 | XShocK | iriver ihp120 |
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| 04:05:49 | ashridah | well. probably not, but it hasn't been handled yet i imagine |
| 04:08:29 | XShocK | ok, just in case only me alone getting it. :) |
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| 04:10:18 | ashridah | nah, mine's on too |
| 04:10:47 | midk | so is mine! |
| 04:12:30 | ashridah | there's a lot of differences between the archos platform and iriver's that need to be reconciled |
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| 04:55:52 | coob | http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=7200#7200 <−− cube.c ported to ipod linux :D |
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| 05:39:55 | jpburton5150 | hey HCL |
| 05:40:21 | jpburton5150 | how did you end up fixing that "unrecognized architecture specification '5249'" problem? |
| 05:40:30 | jpburton5150 | (or anyone else who got it) |
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| 08:51:40 | Trevmar | I am trying to get my source tree to the date of 29 Dec daily CVS build so that I can generate old versions to track a bug but Cygwin CVS says it doesn't accept the -D "20051229" option. What to do?? |
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| 08:52:22 | LinusN | should work |
| 08:53:02 | midk | 20051229? |
| 08:53:07 | midk | that's about ten and a half months away. |
| 08:53:11 | LinusN | haha |
| 08:53:24 | midk | :) |
| 08:54:42 | Trevmar | Ok, I checked, I put -D "20041229" and got 'invalid option −−D' |
| 08:54:53 | LinusN | where did you put the -D? |
| 08:54:54 | midk | that's happened to me before.. |
| 08:55:01 | midk | yes, it has to be in a certain place. |
| 08:55:04 | LinusN | it should be after the "co" |
| 08:55:11 | Trevmar | Ok, thanks, let me try |
| 08:55:14 | LinusN | or "update" if you did that |
| 08:57:07 | Trevmar | brilliant, files are being updated. Now my memory is foggy cos last time I used Rock CVS it was stil on sourceforge :( Is there a script to automatically generate the daily build ZIP? or do I have to make and then pick files? |
| 08:57:27 | LinusN | "make zip" |
| 08:57:31 | Trevmar | thanks |
| 08:57:51 | LinusN | you might need to check out "fonts" as well |
| 08:57:53 | Trevmar | from the home/Adminstrator/rockbox directory, I assume? |
| 08:58:15 | LinusN | from the dir where you built the firmware |
| 08:58:39 | Trevmar | Ok, so I have to build formware first? doesn't make do that? |
| 08:58:57 | LinusN | if you type make without arguments, yes |
| 08:59:21 | Trevmar | OK, so first I will run make w/o args and then make zip OK? |
| 08:59:36 | LinusN | you need to run the configure script as usual, then build the firmware, then "make zip" |
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| 09:00:31 | Trevmar | oops, forgot configure..let me do that.. make without args builds the firmeare? |
| 09:00:43 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:00:51 | LinusN | mkdir ondio |
| 09:00:54 | LinusN | cd ondio |
| 09:00:59 | Trevmar | thanks, sorry for being thick... it has been a long time... |
| 09:01:02 | LinusN | ../tools/configure |
| 09:01:06 | LinusN | make |
| 09:01:07 | LinusN | make zip |
| 09:01:20 | Trevmar | :) |
| 09:01:26 | LinusN | but first you should check out the "fonts" module |
| 09:01:38 | LinusN | from cvs |
| 09:02:35 | Trevmar | I already have fonts on the boxes I am flashing, will it be OK to ignore updates to them in the last 2 months? |
| 09:02:40 | LinusN | "/home/Administrator"...hehe i wouldn't dare to work logged in as root on my linux box... :-) |
| 09:02:56 | LinusN | the make zip script needs the fonts |
| 09:03:05 | Trevmar | yes, LOL, I am not a developer, and I won't be using the simulators -LOL |
| 09:03:20 | Trevmar | OK, will get fontd |
| 09:04:41 | Trevmar | OK, CVS gave me fints :) |
| 09:04:49 | Trevmar | typos sheez... |
| 09:05:00 | Trevmar | getting late.. |
| 09:05:04 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:09:43 | Trevmar | you were correct, 'make' was OK but 'make zip' told me "cant open fonts at /home/Administrator/rockbox/tools/buildzip.pl" I downloaded the CVS, did I have to make the fonts seperately? |
| 09:10:06 | Trevmar | I did get the font pacakge from CVS |
| 09:10:16 | LinusN | i think i misled yoiu a little |
| 09:10:30 | LinusN | the fonts package should be in the rockbox dir |
| 09:10:38 | LinusN | rockbox/fonts |
| 09:10:44 | Trevmar | OK, I founf that fonts are not in the rockbox directory. Let me get them in the right place |
| 09:11:18 | Trevmar | so I should issue that CVS command in the rockbox directory, I guess?? |
| 09:11:23 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:11:27 | Trevmar | :) |
| 09:12:10 | dwihno | LinusN: How does the current fonts look on the ihp? |
| 09:12:25 | LinusN | wonderful |
| 09:12:32 | LinusN | 16 lines |
| 09:12:40 | LinusN | with the default font |
| 09:12:48 | LinusN | and the larger ones look really good |
| 09:12:56 | LinusN | pure pleasure |
| 09:13:10 | LinusN | go get an iriver |
| 09:13:19 | dwihno | :) |
| 09:13:32 | * | LinusN got one off ebay yesterday |
| 09:13:33 | dwihno | I'm buying a new computer this month. The iriver has to wait. |
| 09:16:31 | Trevmar | Hmm. After I downloaded and Rolo ut t he "info" screen says version 20050209-0008 yet it works, and I told CVS to checkout -D "2004 1229" |
| 09:17:20 | LinusN | that info is the build date, not the checkout date |
| 09:17:39 | LinusN | "built from CVS on 20050209" |
| 09:17:53 | Trevmar | Ok, thanks, so is there anyway I can doublecheck I am flashing the correct build date? |
| 09:18:01 | LinusN | not really |
| 09:18:28 | Trevmar | Ok, I will go ahead and try a few dates. I know that Jan 9 was dead. Let me try that one again... |
| 09:18:36 | LinusN | good luck |
| 09:18:40 | Trevmar | thanks |
| 09:18:51 | LinusN | your efforts are apprciated |
| 09:19:04 | Trevmar | you rockbox guys make it soooo easy.. thanks a bunch |
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| 09:44:48 | kurzhaarrocker | Are there any iriver models that run on AA sized batteries (mignon) and are about to be supported by rockbox? |
| 09:45:36 | sneakums | not that i know of. |
| 09:46:33 | dwihno | kurzhaarrocker: the only iriver models using AA type batteries are the flash based... |
| 09:46:58 | kurzhaarrocker | .. which are not very interesting to me either :( |
| 09:49:41 | dwihno | :( |
| 09:49:49 | dwihno | You are concerned about the battery? |
| 09:49:55 | dwihno | (in the hard drive models)? |
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| 09:50:57 | kurzhaarrocker | I just don't want to carry around a bunch of special chargers for each toy I have. I won't buy portable electronic that doesn't run on AA sized batteries. |
| 09:51:12 | DMJC | sucks to be you |
| 09:51:39 | kurzhaarrocker | :) |
| 09:52:03 | DMJC | myself, i think everything should use the USB voltage.. |
| 09:52:14 | DMJC | you can get car to usb adapters.. |
| 09:52:29 | sneakums | there's a usb to iriver adapter |
| 09:53:16 | sneakums | iriver-h120_354.htm">http://www.boxwave.com/products/minisync/minisync-retractable-cable-iriver-h120_354.htm |
| 09:53:34 | sneakums | rasher has one, it appears to work as advertised |
| 09:54:37 | kurzhaarrocker | But that would mean I had to buy a car to generate the energy for my portatronix -> to big for my pocket. |
| 09:54:40 | rasher | Yup, got it yesterday. It's pretty sweet. |
| 09:54:57 | sneakums | or plug it into a handy computer. |
| 09:55:18 | DMJC | you apid for that? |
| 09:55:21 | DMJC | paid |
| 09:55:45 | DMJC | I just got a $10.00 usb camera cable, and soldered a power end on the power wires |
| 09:55:53 | DMJC | recharges and synchs |
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| 09:56:15 | rasher | I'm not too handy with the soldering, plus I like the retractable |
| 09:56:17 | rasher | thing |
| 09:56:51 | DMJC | my soldering is disgustingly poor heh |
| 09:56:59 | Trevmar | Linus, when I tried to make for a new date I got LD giving me the error "region FLASH is full". I used CVS -D and then "make clean" and "make" |
| 09:57:02 | DMJC | had a mate take a look at it when i'd finished |
| 09:57:53 | DMJC | is anyone working on porting tremor atm? |
| 09:59:09 | Trevmar | can anybody help me with my compilation problem? I am trying to compile cersions of CVS from early january to track an Ondio S/W bug |
| 09:59:46 | sneakums | DMJC: linuxstb or whoever has been doing work on the codecs, not sure if he got around to tremor yet |
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| 10:00:04 | DMJC | k |
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| 10:07:32 | Trevmar | can anybody help me with my compilation problem? I am trying to compile cersions of CVS from early january to track an Ondio S/W bug |
| 10:07:34 | Trevmar | Linus, when I tried to make for a new date I got LD giving me the error "region FLASH is full". I used CVS -D and then "make clean" and "make" |
| 10:07:54 | Trevmar | amiconn (linus is gone..) |
| 10:08:25 | Trevmar | I made the 20041229 OK, and it worked, but having trouble making newer dates |
| 10:08:32 | amiconn | Trevmar: That's no problem, it only indicates that your can't build rombox, because it grew too big |
| 10:09:07 | Trevmar | but the one that couldn'y link was the CVS -D "20050109" |
| 10:09:30 | Trevmar | surely that release could be flashed? |
| 10:09:52 | Trevmar | I couldn't link 20050110 either :( |
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| 10:10:16 | amiconn | yup; only that there is no rombox.ucl. rockbox.ucl will work just fine. |
| 10:10:41 | Trevmar | Oh, I get it.. let me try again |
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| 10:15:53 | Trevmar | hmm. the 10 Jan build I did worked. Let me go back to the online repository and double-check, maybe I was too tire this afternoon and identified Jan 9 incorrectly... |
| 10:16:04 | Trevmar | tired |
| 10:19:31 | Trevmar | amiconn, the Rolo version of 10 Jan works to recognize the MMC card, but when I flash the UCL it doesn't see them. OK, let me make some more dates... |
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| 11:07:40 | ripnetuk | are we sure that iRiver rockbox doesnt eat file systems? ive had 3 instances of corrupted fat after running Rockbox, on an iRiver thats never corrupted before. Each time, I have formatted the drive using Windows, then synced my ~36 gigs of music on, and unzipped the rockbox zip. This works. If I then allow Rockbox to boot, and then boot back into the original firmware, and unzip the rockbox.zip again, the fat driver panics saying its |
| 11:08:15 | rasher | sounds like a bug |
| 11:08:25 | ripnetuk | delete beyond eof, and remounts the jukebox read only. The only other thing I did recently was upgrade my kernel. Could it be the infamous usb scsi kernel bug? can anyone remember the patch for the kernel to get irivers working reliably? |
| 11:09:00 | LinusN | ripnetuk: the vfat driver? |
| 11:09:01 | rasher | Hm, I haven't had any problems with that |
| 11:09:24 | LinusN | i haven't had any file system problems |
| 11:10:13 | ripnetuk | it was something to do with not reporting back to the scsi layer. |
| 11:10:21 | LinusN | i know that |
| 11:10:44 | ripnetuk | im gonna try again on my old kernel tongiht. Just checking no one else had problems with it |
| 11:10:52 | LinusN | i just meant that i haven't experienced any fat problems at all since i started developing the iriver stuff |
| 11:10:53 | rasher | ripnetuk: which kernel version is this? |
| 11:11:10 | ripnetuk | 2.6.8.1-24mdksmp |
| 11:11:33 | LinusN | i have 2.6.9 |
| 11:11:39 | rasher | I have 2.6.10 |
| 11:12:03 | ripnetuk | hmmm... i guess the next sensible thing to try is either installing from windows, or trying my old kernel again. |
| 11:12:11 | rasher | think I skipped over 2.6.8.1 |
| 11:12:17 | ripnetuk | sorry to have bl;amed Rockbox :) im sure the ata code is well tested on the Archos :) |
| 11:12:44 | LinusN | ripnetuk: yes, the rockbox ata driver is well-tested, but it may still contain bugs |
| 11:13:04 | ripnetuk | but im sure someone else would have noticed if it destroyed fs's |
| 11:13:07 | LinusN | and the iriver ATA driver is quite fresh |
| 11:13:24 | ripnetuk | i will do some more testing tonight and report back. thanks |
| 11:14:16 | LinusN | good luck |
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| 11:14:19 | ripnetuk | ta |
| 11:15:01 | rasher | what're people working on right now? |
| 11:15:17 | LinusN | stuff |
| 11:15:18 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:15:25 | rasher | :) |
| 11:15:56 | LinusN | i have some changes to the bootloader coming up, and then i'll work on the usb |
| 11:16:13 | xen` | means we'll have to reflash ? ;) |
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| 11:16:25 | LinusN | if you want the new functionality, yes |
| 11:16:26 | xen` | heh |
| 11:17:34 | rasher | what are the changes? |
| 11:17:47 | rasher | anything specific? |
| 11:18:13 | LinusN | 1) it starts the original if rockbox.iriver isn't found |
| 11:18:25 | LinusN | 2) it respects the hold switches |
| 11:20:02 | xen` | I checked libmodplug |
| 11:20:10 | xen` | it got some little part in float |
| 11:20:17 | xen` | gonna check if its possible to convert them |
| 11:20:21 | xen` | but also, its written in C++ |
| 11:20:37 | xen` | but that should be possible to convert it more or less easily |
| 11:20:43 | rasher | That's great news |
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| 11:22:32 | xen` | and with it, we would get s3m, mod, xm, it, far, 669, umx, etc... |
| 11:22:33 | xen` | even wav =) |
| 11:22:55 | rasher | modplug does wav? |
| 11:23:06 | xen` | yep |
| 11:23:08 | rasher | some formats using wav samples |
| 11:23:10 | rasher | I guess? |
| 11:24:00 | xen` | config.h.in load_dmf.cpp load_mod.cpp load_stm.cpp mmcmp.cpp sndmix.cpp |
| 11:24:00 | xen` | fastmix.cpp load_dsm.cpp load_mt2.cpp load_ult.cpp modplug.cpp tables.cpp |
| 11:24:00 | xen` | libmodplug load_far.cpp load_mtm.cpp load_umx.cpp modplug.h |
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| 11:24:00 | xen` | load_669.cpp load_it.cpp load_okt.cpp load_wav.cpp snd_dsp.cpp |
| 11:24:00 | xen` | load_amf.cpp load_j2b.cpp load_psm.cpp load_xm.cpp sndfile.cpp |
| 11:24:01 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 11:24:01 | xen` | load_ams.cpp load_mdl.cpp load_ptm.cpp Makefile.am snd_flt.cpp |
| 11:24:03 | xen` | load_dbm.cpp load_med.cpp load_s3m.cpp Makefile.in snd_fx.cpp |
| 11:24:14 | xen` | there are plenty of format =) |
| 11:24:23 | linuxstb | xen`: I'm working on some audio codecs for Rockbox, and the main problem so far is memory usage - Rockbox doesn't have malloc, and we want to try and avoid using it. |
| 11:24:33 | xen` | ho ok |
| 11:24:42 | xen` | what other limitations there is ? |
| 11:25:09 | xen` | and how many memory I'm restricted to ? |
| 11:25:31 | linuxstb | No other big limitations. I suppose just the speed of the processor. |
| 11:25:53 | linuxstb | Re: memory - I think the rule is just as little as possible. |
| 11:25:58 | xen` | ok |
| 11:26:24 | xen` | I'll have to check rockbox others codec to learn how to adapt them |
| 11:26:38 | LinusN | there are none |
| 11:26:55 | linuxstb | Also, you will need to restrict yourself you a pre-defined maximum memory size. For FLAC, this means not supporting files that have been encoded with large block sizes (which I don't think happens in the real world anyway). |
| 11:27:13 | LinusN | how large is "large"? |
| 11:27:45 | linuxstb | All my FLAC files are encoded with a blocksize of 4608 bytes. But the standard allows block sizes up to 32K |
| 11:28:40 | LinusN | but how does that affect the overall mem usage? |
| 11:28:42 | xen` | oki |
| 11:29:21 | DMJC | how's the tremor port going? |
| 11:29:37 | xen` | right now everything is ready to start working on them right ? I just wont get sound output cause of the sound part not done ? |
| 11:29:44 | xen` | or is sound part the codec themself only ? |
| 11:29:47 | linuxstb | libFLAC allocates 4 buffers of about 4xblocksize - So 4608*16 is about 73K, but 32K*16 is 524K - a big difference in "typical" and maximum usage |
| 11:30:20 | linuxstb | I'll just make "maximum supported blocksize" a #define, and set it initially to 4608 |
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| 11:31:52 | xen` | hmm |
| 11:31:54 | xen` | things is |
| 11:31:59 | xen` | mod/xm are tracker format |
| 11:32:03 | linuxstb | xen': the audio "framework" hasn't been designed yet. I'm first looking in detail at how the codecs work, and then I'll propose something on the Wiki for others to comment on. |
| 11:32:13 | LinusN | linuxstb: i don't see a problem with 524K |
| 11:32:21 | xen` | samples has to be loaded on the fly |
| 11:32:32 | xen` | it gonna be painfull with no malloc =) |
| 11:32:43 | xen` | otherwise I can check if its possible to read them as they are played |
| 11:32:45 | linuxstb | LinusN: in which case, I'll just change the #define to 32K |
| 11:32:49 | LinusN | do so |
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| 11:33:02 | Trevmar | LinusN or Amiconn, are you tehre?? |
| 11:33:12 | LinusN | i am |
| 11:33:47 | Trevmar | Linus, I found that the Jan 02 build doesn't see the MMC card in the 03 08 mask ondios and that Jan 01 is OK |
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| 11:34:10 | linuxstb | The other "unbounded" memory usage is the FLAC seektable. One seekpoint takes 20 bytes of storage, and even a 1 hour FLAC file only has about 400 seek points, so I'll just limit that to about 1000 seek points. |
| 11:34:17 | Trevmar | This coincides with when the LD comes up with "FLASh is full" error message on ROMbox |
| 11:34:24 | xen` | hmm, finally I think it will need some complete rewrite :/ |
| 11:34:30 | linuxstb | *The only "unbounded"... |
| 11:34:50 | Trevmar | and the files changed are dir.c config-ondiofm.h and config-ondisp.h |
| 11:35:12 | linuxstb | DMJC: I haven't looked at Tremor yet. |
| 11:35:48 | Trevmar | Linus, shoudl I post that on the Forum? |
| 11:36:07 | LinusN | Trevmar: i'm afraid that it is a little more complicated than that |
| 11:36:14 | amiconn | Trevmar: Did you flash "rombox.ucl" or "rockbox.ucl" for your Jan 01 build? |
| 11:36:14 | linuxstb | LinusN: Apart from those 4 big buffers, libFLAC uses about another 80K for various other buffers. - so mem usage would be between 150K and 600K depending on how we set the maximum blocksize. |
| 11:36:35 | LinusN | linuxstb: ok, we'll have to live with that, i guess |
| 11:36:42 | Trevmar | let me check.. rockbox.ucl |
| 11:37:03 | LinusN | jan 01 was when the MULTIVOLUME was activated |
| 11:37:13 | Trevmar | arrrgh |
| 11:37:18 | linuxstb | I suppose it depends on how many codecs we want to be running at the same time. If it's just two, then I guess 600K is OK. |
| 11:37:37 | xen` | loading whole file into memory would be possible you think ? |
| 11:37:55 | LinusN | xen`: that depends on the file size, of course |
| 11:38:04 | xen` | ok |
| 11:38:24 | rasher | most tracker files are less than a few mb |
| 11:38:27 | LinusN | we will have 25-30Mbytes for buffering |
| 11:38:35 | xen` | because since samples are stored all over the file and several can be readen at once |
| 11:38:41 | xen` | ho fine |
| 11:38:54 | xen` | ok, if the whole file is in buffering, it should require no malloc at all =) |
| 11:38:55 | linuxstb | xen': The codec itself shouldn't read the file from disk - the basic concept is to have a "compressed data buffer" and a "PCM data buffer". The audio subsystem moves data from one buffer to the other with the help of the codecs. |
| 11:39:12 | amiconn | Trevmar: There was a bug with the first multivolume implementation, that was fixed on Jan-03. Could you try building with Jan-04 cvs? |
| 11:39:12 | xen` | oki |
| 11:39:25 | Trevmar | amiconn, I guess i wasted time on a binary search - if I had known about Jan 1... Sigh... |
| 11:39:32 | xen` | yes 30 mb is way enough for nearly all tracker files =) |
| 11:39:43 | Trevmar | amiconn- yes, I will try a jan 4 for you, stand by |
| 11:40:17 | xen` | finally it should be fine with modplug, I'll just wait the audio framework is out and i'll work on it |
| 11:40:42 | Trevmar | dir.c and fat.h were changed between Jan 2 and Jan 4... compiling... |
| 11:41:54 | linuxstb | xen': we may need to do something special with tracker files (and SID files) - "normal" codecs are streams - i.e. you read a frame of compressed data from the input, and write a frame of PCM data to the output. It sounds like tracker files aren't like that. |
| 11:42:17 | xen` | yes, right, the whole file is needed from the start |
| 11:42:34 | rasher | luckily there's no size problem with either |
| 11:42:45 | rasher | sid files are 100kb at most |
| 11:42:49 | xen` | yep =) |
| 11:43:10 | DMJC | is there a script to copy the completed iriver firmware build onto the iriver? |
| 11:43:33 | linuxstb | DMJC: use "make zip" and then unzip the rockbox.zip on the irver. |
| 11:43:34 | LinusN | you can have half the hvsc collection in memory at once :-) |
| 11:43:40 | DMJC | cool |
| 11:44:08 | rasher | heh |
| 11:44:35 | Trevmar | Amiconn: it doesn't see the MMC on Jan 4th either |
| 11:44:36 | rasher | well 100kb was overdoing it |
| 11:44:44 | rasher | 63kb is the largest in hvsc |
| 11:45:09 | DMJC | can't open dir fonts at /home/james/development/iriver/rockbox/tools/buildzip.pl line 76. |
| 11:45:17 | linuxstb | rasher: someone said yesterday that SID files were 65?? programs. So I'm guessing that limits them to 64K. |
| 11:45:24 | LinusN | DMJC: cvs co fonts |
| 11:45:39 | DMJC | k |
| 11:46:06 | rasher | linuxstb: they are, and apparentlly it does indeed limit them to 64k |
| 11:46:18 | rasher | I was thinking maybe there were multi-disk sids or something |
| 11:46:33 | rasher | apparently not so |
| 11:46:58 | linuxstb | But I'm assuming there's no limits on the sizes of various tracker files. |
| 11:47:11 | rasher | probably not |
| 11:47:24 | amiconn | Trevmar: Could you try one more thing: Compile from current cvs, but disable multivolume support and hotswap support in config-ondiofm.h |
| 11:47:26 | amiconn | ? |
| 11:47:42 | rasher | but there'd probalby be no harm done in putting a sufficiently high artificial limit on them |
| 11:48:21 | Trevmar | amiconn- OK, I am doing that. It will take 5 mins or so |
| 11:52:11 | DMJC | anyone writing a tetris port? |
| 11:52:18 | rasher | There is already one |
| 11:52:23 | rasher | rockblox |
| 11:52:24 | DMJC | cool |
| 11:52:34 | rasher | although it's horizontal |
| 11:52:41 | rasher | which is quite odd on the iriver screen |
| 11:52:57 | DMJC | yeah |
| 11:53:14 | DMJC | that's something I noticed... |
| 11:53:21 | DMJC | the play area for snake is hell tiny |
| 11:53:29 | LinusN | the idea on the archos is to hold your archos rotated |
| 11:54:07 | LinusN | the iriver screen is large enough to play it without rotating it |
| 11:54:33 | LinusN | lunch time |
| 11:54:58 | DMJC | yeah, need to start exploiting that screen |
| 11:56:17 | rasher | aw, snow in fullscreen |
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| 11:56:55 | amiconn | rasher: :) |
| 11:57:30 | sneakums | you could fit a nice pac man on the iriver screen, i'll wager |
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| 11:58:52 | iriver | do your plugins work on the H1x0? I get a adress error for all plugins - except helloworld. |
| 11:59:04 | LinusN | iriver: use the latest daily build |
| 11:59:14 | iriver | I do |
| 11:59:21 | LinusN | i doubt it |
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| 12:00:01 | iriver | cvs checked out and compiled this morning |
| 12:00:02 | LinusN | did you unzip the entire zip to the iriver? |
| 12:00:06 | iriver | yes |
| 12:00:50 | LinusN | weird, i fixed that but 2 days ago |
| 12:00:54 | LinusN | bug |
| 12:01:53 | iriver | I don't know what is wrong with my iriver builds... the power off/shutdown function does not wok neither :( |
| 12:02:35 | LinusN | i changed that, you are now supposed to hols the stop button |
| 12:02:41 | LinusN | hold |
| 12:03:22 | iriver | I implemented my own shutdown if HOLD is ON... STOP hold does not work - if have to reset to poweroff Rockbox |
| 12:04:19 | iriver | when holding STOP the file browser starts |
| 12:04:41 | Trevmar | Amiconn: as you expected, that seems OK. I have my advanced audio tweaks now too :) Shal I just try disabling hotswap or multicolume one at a time? Any dependencies? |
| 12:04:55 | LinusN | iriver: then what is on screen when you hold stop? |
| 12:05:35 | iriver | It does not react - it stays in filebrowser |
| 12:06:02 | rasher | why are recording options not under options? |
| 12:06:05 | rasher | in the menu |
| 12:06:15 | rasher | iriver: do you have a song playing? |
| 12:06:16 | LinusN | you said it started the browser, so where was it when you pushed stop in the first place? |
| 12:06:29 | rasher | iriver: well, trying to play |
| 12:08:03 | iriver | when Rockbox starts, the main screen is clear. only shown battery, volume, playing status, shuffle status |
| 12:08:40 | rasher | iriver: what is the playing status? |
| 12:08:45 | iriver | rasher: yes, i'm "playing" - at least the play icon is on, but stop does not stop it |
| 12:08:52 | rasher | that's the problem |
| 12:09:01 | LinusN | iriver: i guess you enabled the "resume" option |
| 12:09:15 | iriver | but what is the solution :) |
| 12:09:28 | rasher | iriver: go into the settings, set resume to "No" |
| 12:09:46 | rasher | then try and generate disk activity (I think.. I browsed some folders..) |
| 12:10:14 | rasher | then reset |
| 12:10:27 | rasher | that's exactly the behaviour I got |
| 12:10:44 | iriver | so I can't poweroff, if Resume in ON. Weird :) |
| 12:10:58 | rasher | well you can't poweroff if the iriver's trying to play a song |
| 12:11:10 | rasher | setting resume to off is just making sure that you're not doing that |
| 12:11:19 | iriver | but why can't I stop a song by pressing STOP |
| 12:11:51 | LinusN | iriver: because the mpeg thread doesn't respond to the SYS_POWEROFF event |
| 12:12:10 | Trevmar | Amiconn: now I am trying just disabling multivolume, and not hotswap |
| 12:12:11 | LinusN | and it doesn't respond to MPEG_PLAY either |
| 12:12:55 | iriver | Turning off RESUME solved the problem... Thanks :) |
| 12:13:11 | rasher | Maybe I should add this to the wiki somewhere |
| 12:13:42 | LinusN | i wonder why people enable resume when you can't play any music? |
| 12:13:57 | Trevmar | Amiconn: nope, there are unsatisfied dependencies with hotplug and no multivolume. |
| 12:14:09 | rasher | LinusN: Had to try all the options! |
| 12:14:11 | Bagder | we should add an option "remove all my music" and people will select that too ;-) |
| 12:14:14 | iriver | yeah, it is not obvious that RESUME should be left alone until the MPEG_PLAY and SYS_POWEROFF is handled correctly |
| 12:14:53 | iriver | people play around to learn Rockbox |
| 12:16:24 | Trevmar | Iriver: but I played around with my Jukebox recorder - I expect it solid now for the Ondio -LOL |
| 12:17:53 | rasher | it seems weird that "Playback" is under general settings, but "recording options" is under recording |
| 12:17:57 | rasher | any specific reason for this? |
| 12:20:36 | Bagder | the menu structure is always subject for debate |
| 12:23:41 | rasher | I guess |
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| 12:32:55 | LinusN | funny, i can stop the playback, and i can shut down after playing too |
| 12:33:16 | LinusN | iriver: are you really sure that you use the latest cvs? |
| 12:33:43 | linuxstb | LinusN: Are you confident of being able to control the rest of the hardware on the iRiver, or are there still some unknowns? |
| 12:33:47 | LinusN | i bet you don't, since you have plugin problems as well |
| 12:34:05 | HCl | oh, is the stop playback thing fixed? |
| 12:34:10 | HCl | gmorning |
| 12:34:11 | HCl | by the way |
| 12:34:13 | LinusN | i don't see any problems with the hardware |
| 12:34:37 | linuxstb | So there is no reason to think the iRiver port won't be 100% successful? |
| 12:35:03 | LinusN | linuxstb: no, i'm confident that we will succeed |
| 12:35:41 | LinusN | the stop playback thing was fixed feb 6 |
| 12:35:46 | HCl | okay |
| 12:36:00 | HCl | my checkout is from just after the plugin fix |
| 12:36:06 | HCl | so its prolly from before that |
| 12:36:51 | LinusN | plugins were fixed on feb 7 |
| 12:37:11 | linuxstb | So I can now recommend that people by iRivers because it will run Rockbox :-) |
| 12:37:20 | LinusN | sure :-) |
| 12:37:32 | Bagder | while there still are any around to buy ;-) |
| 12:37:42 | linuxstb | Bagder: exactly. |
| 12:37:56 | linuxstb | Is the H3xx still in production? |
| 12:38:09 | Bagder | people it isn't |
| 12:38:11 | LinusN | rumours say the are out of production |
| 12:38:13 | Bagder | +say |
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| 12:39:53 | rasher | hrm |
| 12:39:56 | rasher | I can't stop |
| 12:40:02 | rasher | playback, that is |
| 12:40:07 | LinusN | iriver: i suggest you try "make clean" |
| 12:40:29 | rasher | and I just unpzcked the latest bleeding edge build |
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| 12:41:03 | LinusN | rasher: yes you can. it's just the status bar that isn't updated |
| 12:41:13 | rasher | ah |
| 12:41:15 | rasher | alright |
| 12:41:29 | HCl | LinusN: thats kinda odd, cause i still get the unable to shutdown bug.. i think.. |
| 12:41:32 | rasher | I see the "can't turn off while charging" is still there |
| 12:41:42 | LinusN | is the charger attached? |
| 12:41:55 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 12:41:55 | * | HCl goes to fetch his iriver to see |
| 12:42:53 | HCl | and i need to update my bootloader.. it gives the wrong size for rockbox.. |
| 12:43:12 | Bagder | it is in hex |
| 12:43:19 | HCl | oh. |
| 12:43:20 | HCl | okay |
| 12:43:26 | * | Bagder did the same mistake |
| 12:43:29 | HCl | and nope, i can shut down now |
| 12:43:30 | HCl | :) |
| 12:43:46 | HCl | has someone with cvs access added strchr to the plugin api yet? :x |
| 12:43:55 | Bagder | not yet |
| 12:44:12 | HCl | k.. |
| 12:44:31 | Bagder | you can easily add that in your local version for now |
| 12:44:48 | HCl | i guess |
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| 12:45:22 | HCl | where do i fill in the api structure before its passed to plugins? |
| 12:45:22 | Trevmar | [amiconn] Are you still here? I have some more info |
| 12:45:39 | Bagder | HCl: apps/plugin.c |
| 12:45:42 | HCl | ok |
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| 12:47:41 | Bagder | I don't get an ld when I intall the calmrisc binutils |
| 12:47:48 | Zagor | has anyone used the "flyspray" bug tracker tool? i noticed the ipodlinux gang uses it and from my first glances it looks pretty nice. |
| 12:47:55 | Zagor | http://flyspray.rocks.cc/bts/ |
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| 12:49:02 | Zagor | i really want to get off the SF trackers |
| 12:49:21 | Bagder | http://wget-bugs.ferrara.linux.it/ <= roundup in use |
| 12:50:12 | linuxstb | HCl: are you going to be ablle to manage without the malloc family of functions? |
| 12:50:22 | LinusN | HCl: i just added strchr() in cvs for you |
| 12:50:26 | Zagor | Bagder: looks good too |
| 12:50:34 | Bagder | they look similar |
| 12:51:06 | LinusN | "flyspray", now that's cute... |
| 12:51:32 | Zagor | "roundup" is the same bad joke |
| 12:51:36 | LinusN | yeah |
| 12:51:55 | Bagder | flyspray seems the more advanced of these two |
| 12:52:02 | dwihno | flyspray looks nice |
| 12:52:04 | HCl | LinusN: thanks :) |
| 12:52:07 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 12:52:26 | HCl | linuxstb: probably, i'm just gonna write my own replacement that'll use the mp3 buffer.. a very crude one that doesn't free or anything. |
| 12:52:28 | LinusN | "roundup" - an obvious trademark violation :-) |
| 12:52:32 | HCl | and just assume that 32mb will be enough. |
| 12:52:41 | Bagder | LinusN: indeed |
| 12:53:13 | HCl | can rockbox play mp3 and run plugins at the same time? |
| 12:53:14 | Bagder | possibly we could offer malloc for the plugins, in a separate plugin pool |
| 12:53:21 | LinusN | HCl: yes |
| 12:53:23 | HCl | Bagder: that would be nice.. |
| 12:53:30 | HCl | LinusN: that would seriously mess up with gnuboy then :X |
| 12:53:36 | HCl | as it is now, anyways.. |
| 12:53:46 | LinusN | gnuboy should just stop the music then |
| 12:53:59 | LinusN | other plugins do |
| 12:53:59 | HCl | no um.. >.> badger suggested i'd use the mp3 buffer for memory |
| 12:54:06 | LinusN | metronome for example |
| 12:54:09 | HCl | since i can't make everything static |
| 12:54:11 | linuxstb | My understanding is that plugins have a fixed memory area to work in, so it would make sense to allow malloc within that memory area. |
| 12:54:34 | Bagder | linuxstb: yes, that's my thinking too |
| 12:54:36 | LinusN | i can live with that |
| 12:54:44 | HCl | sounds ok. |
| 12:54:48 | LinusN | Bagder: add malloc() to the plugin lib |
| 12:54:51 | Bagder | at least when we extend the plugin area for irivers |
| 12:55:08 | HCl | yea, gnuboy is gonna need... about... 6 mb to run? |
| 12:55:13 | LinusN | 6! |
| 12:55:17 | HCl | well |
| 12:55:18 | HCl | at max |
| 12:55:19 | Bagder | hah |
| 12:55:19 | HCl | anyways |
| 12:55:19 | linuxstb | Bagder: no reason why it couldn't work (on a smaller scale) for all targets. |
| 12:55:19 | Zagor | yikes |
| 12:55:27 | HCl | there are some gameboy roms that are 4mb |
| 12:55:31 | LinusN | ah |
| 12:55:40 | linuxstb | Maybe "big_malloc" as well... |
| 12:55:51 | LinusN | then the mp3 buffer is a better choice |
| 12:55:52 | Zagor | well, since gnuboy will halt the music it can have all the ram it wants |
| 12:55:56 | HCl | and there's something like 64k savegame ram and 256k work ram.. |
| 12:55:59 | Bagder | the plugin-malloc would not allow that huge memory anyway |
| 12:56:03 | HCl | and then it needs ram for the code |
| 12:56:21 | HCl | Bagder: well, i somewhat need a spot to load the gameboy rom into ram... |
| 12:56:30 | HCl | and since they can get up to 4mb.. :/ |
| 12:56:38 | Bagder | the mp3 buffer is for you my son ;-) |
| 12:56:40 | LinusN | Bagder: how about a malloc() in the plugin lib and also be able to assign a pool to it? |
| 12:56:51 | Bagder | yes, I guess that's what we want |
| 12:56:56 | HCl | gnuboy will use reallocs to limit memory usage as much as possible |
| 12:56:58 | LinusN | so you can grab the mp3 buffer and give it to malloc() |
| 12:57:02 | Zagor | HCl: why not use static sizes for those things? |
| 12:57:11 | linuxstb | LinusN: That would be useful for the codecs as well - same functions, different pools. |
| 12:57:14 | Bagder | LinusN: in fact, my code already supports that kind of operation |
| 12:57:20 | LinusN | Zagor: for the same reasons as we don't change all mallocs in the codecs? |
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| 12:57:36 | HCl | Zagor: well, it'd almost always use more ram than it'd actually need.. |
| 12:57:43 | LinusN | linuxstb: it is a lot more complicated for the codecs |
| 12:57:46 | HCl | and it like |
| 12:57:55 | HCl | reads the amount of memory its gonna need, from the rom header |
| 12:58:03 | HCl | so at the moment i just have to assume maximum |
| 12:58:36 | Zagor | HCl: well the point with static allocation is that you always know you can handle the worst case. with dynamic, that requires testing which is sometimes non-trivial. |
| 12:59:04 | linuxstb | LinusN: Yes, at the moment, my plan is to try and remove mallocs (in a clean way) from the codecs. e.g. for FLAC, I would like to submit a patch to the libFLAC people to implement a "FLAC__USE_STATIC_MEMORY" or similar compile directive. |
| 12:59:20 | LinusN | linuxstb: way to go |
| 12:59:23 | Zagor | and there's no point in using 6 instead of 7 megs of ram, since we'll be having 24+ allocated for it anyway |
| 12:59:47 | HCl | okay. |
| 12:59:52 | Zagor | linuxstb: sounds excellent! |
| 12:59:58 | HCl | well, i don't really see a problem with making gnuboy use static buffers... |
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| 13:00:16 | HCl | it'll just use a huge memory space though |
| 13:00:31 | LinusN | it will anyway |
| 13:00:39 | HCl | mhm |
| 13:01:00 | LinusN | since you have to reserve a malloc memory pool |
| 13:01:31 | LinusN | that can accomodate such huge malloc'c |
| 13:01:32 | Zagor | i'd say the only good reason to use malloc is if you want to minimize the changes done to the original code |
| 13:01:58 | LinusN | amen |
| 13:02:04 | HCl | mhm. |
| 13:02:19 | linuxstb | Zagor. In theory :-). In practice, there are lots of mallocs which aren't executed on my test files. So there would be a big difference between a patch that just works for Rockbox, and a general-pupose patch that removes every single malloc from libFLAC |
| 13:02:20 | HCl | well, that doesn't matter much for gnuboy |
| 13:02:24 | HCl | it hasn't been updated in 4 years |
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| 13:02:58 | HCl | oh, um. |
| 13:03:00 | HCl | i get this too >.> |
| 13:03:01 | HCl | /home/hcl/rockbox/cross/lib/gcc/m68k-elf/3.4.3/../../../../m68k-elf/bin/ld: region PLUGIN_RAM is full (/home/hcl/rockbox/rockbox-devel/iriver/rockboy.elf section .text) |
| 13:03:04 | HCl | /home/hcl/rockbox/cross/lib/gcc/m68k-elf/3.4.3/../../../../m68k-elf/bin/ld: region PLUGIN_RAM is full (/home/hcl/rockbox/rockbox-devel/iriver/rockboy.elf section .bss) |
| 13:03:16 | HCl | thats not good, is it >.> |
| 13:03:21 | Zagor | HCl: yeah, the plugin ram area is very small for the sh units. you need to expand it. |
| 13:03:23 | LinusN | yes, it is only 32k at the moment |
| 13:03:25 | HCl | mhm |
| 13:03:29 | HCl | yea, 32k won't fit xD |
| 13:03:31 | webguest43 | Hi ! Does anyone know if it is possible to power the iriver without the battery ? |
| 13:03:42 | LinusN | i'm sure it is possible |
| 13:03:47 | LinusN | i haven't tried though |
| 13:03:49 | HCl | webguest43: just yesterday or so i heard someone talk about having a charger usb cable for the iriver |
| 13:03:52 | HCl | and said it was working |
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| 13:04:07 | HCl | ah. |
| 13:04:10 | HCl | 13:07 * rasher quietly notes that the Boxwave usb+charger cable for iRiver |
| 13:04:10 | HCl | appears to work |
| 13:04:22 | rasher | Yeah, but that's still with battery |
| 13:04:36 | HCl | ohh. |
| 13:04:37 | HCl | okay |
| 13:04:53 | ashridah | rasher: is that usb 1.1 or 2.0/ |
| 13:04:54 | ashridah | ? |
| 13:05:04 | rasher | usb2 |
| 13:05:11 | rasher | it's pretty new I think |
| 13:05:20 | rasher | until recently they only had a usb1.1 version |
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| 13:05:27 | * | HCl continues writing wrapper functions for the plugin api |
| 13:05:29 | rasher | www.boxwave.com/products/minisync/minisync-retractable-cable-iriver-h120_354.htm |
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| 13:06:52 | LinusN | HCl: to expand the plugin buffer area, edit firmware/app.lds and apps/plugins/plugin.lds |
| 13:07:09 | HCl | okay, thanks |
| 13:07:28 | webguest43 | the charger usb cable is simple, jou just splice the five volt from the usb cable into a power plug |
| 13:07:43 | HCl | i'm not there just yet, still some basic libc functions to fill in/replace, and i haven't even started on the iriver <-> gnuboy interface |
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| 13:08:00 | webguest43 | but powering the player via an external power supply would be great, so you could attach it to a stereo and use it all day without draining the battery |
| 13:08:03 | lImbus | hoi |
| 13:08:44 | webguest43 | afaik the built in socket is only for the charger, and will not power the unit ? (dont own one yet) |
| 13:08:49 | HCl | do we have strcat in rockbox? |
| 13:09:59 | LinusN | yes |
| 13:10:28 | LinusN | you need it? |
| 13:10:58 | linuxstb | Is anyone interested in WMA playback? There's a nice GPL'd decoder in ffmpeg, but it needs optimising and changing to fixed-point arithmetic. Could be fun for the right sort of person. |
| 13:11:58 | HCl | LinusN: yup |
| 13:12:08 | HCl | LinusN: i am, sortof. |
| 13:12:14 | HCl | the more rockbox can support, the better |
| 13:12:22 | HCl | not that i own any wma's, if any |
| 13:12:37 | linuxstb | It could be important to users coming from the iRiver firmware. |
| 13:12:39 | HCl | linuxstb: * |
| 13:12:43 | HCl | mhm |
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| 13:15:08 | HCl | LinusN: tolower? do we have that? |
| 13:15:29 | HCl | sprintf? |
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| 13:16:13 | linuxstb | Speaking of "tolower", are there any plans to move Rockbox to use UTF-8 internally? |
| 13:16:38 | Bagder | yeeeeeellow build |
| 13:16:46 | Bagder | and the gmini one died hard |
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| 13:23:42 | LinusN | tolower exists |
| 13:23:49 | LinusN | snprintf() exists |
| 13:25:43 | HCl | okay |
| 13:26:05 | LinusN | do you get compiler errors on tolower? |
| 13:26:16 | HCl | yea, its not in the plugin api |
| 13:26:17 | HCl | so |
| 13:26:29 | LinusN | #include "ctype.h" |
| 13:26:30 | Zagor | linuxstb: utf-8 would probably be a good idea (not the least to invite all asian users) but it's a rather big change |
| 13:26:38 | HCl | ok |
| 13:27:51 | LinusN | strcat() added |
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| 13:29:13 | webguest43 | LinusN: its not possible to power the iriver from the charger and play music without draining the battery right ? |
| 13:30:41 | linuxstb | Zagor: The meta-data in FLAC (and I'm guessing OGG) files is always UTF-8. Should I map this to iso-8859-1 ? |
| 13:31:07 | Zagor | yes, i think that's the best solution for now |
| 13:31:22 | linuxstb | That's fine - I already have a function to do that. |
| 13:35:11 | HCl | LinusN: thanks |
| 13:35:46 | HCl | LinusN: is tolower in the api yet? |
| 13:35:51 | HCl | can't find it.. |
| 13:36:55 | HCl | hrm. |
| 13:37:25 | HCl | okay. i have a problem with writing a wrapper function for snprintf :X how do i relay the ... arguments ? |
| 13:37:50 | [IDC]Dragon | phew, an iriver 140 is expensive |
| 13:38:22 | Bagder | [IDC]Dragon: I think the project could sponsor you |
| 13:38:51 | [IDC]Dragon | I can't promise to seriously work on it |
| 13:38:55 | Bagder | HCl: check the export/debug.h header file for an example |
| 13:39:12 | Bagder | nobody promises anything here ;-) |
| 13:39:17 | Zagor | HCl: if you are using a macro, the magic define is __VA_ARGS__ |
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| 13:39:47 | [IDC]Dragon | I could morally only accept by taking it for AJB work |
| 13:39:47 | LinusN | HCl: tolower() is a macro, defined in ctype.h |
| 13:39:48 | HCl | i'm not using a macro... |
| 13:39:53 | HCl | LinusN: ah... |
| 13:40:06 | Zagor | HCl: then do that :-) |
| 13:40:14 | [IDC]Dragon | which I bought on my own, of course |
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| 13:40:18 | HCl | i guess.. gah :x |
| 13:40:20 | Bagder | [IDC]Dragon: that would work for me ;-) |
| 13:40:29 | HCl | i'll go rewrite my wrapper functions into macros for gnuboy.. |
| 13:40:41 | LinusN | webguest43: i think you can play music with the charger attached without draining the batteries |
| 13:40:53 | HCl | it'll make them faster anyways |
| 13:41:06 | HCl | yea, you can. |
| 13:41:10 | * | [IDC]Dragon is tempted |
| 13:41:35 | lImbus | :-) |
| 13:42:10 | webguest43 | Great ! I did not know that !!! Could someone confirm please ? |
| 13:42:35 | * | lImbus nods his head |
| 13:42:36 | LinusN | dwihno: i got your recorder |
| 13:43:13 | [IDC]Dragon | Bagder: tell me the datails |
| 13:43:17 | HCl | webguest43: yes, you can |
| 13:43:23 | ripnetuk | Does anyone have a reference to the kernel problem that causes corruption of iRiver? from what I can remember the SCSI layer reports 0 bytes read, and should signal a retry, but signals a failure instead which causes read corruption. There is a patch, but I cannot find it right now. I want to see if my kernel is fixed or not |
| 13:43:26 | webguest86 | webguest43: Yes, you can. |
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| 13:50:27 | Bagder | hi jyp |
| 13:50:37 | Bagder | my calmrisc binutils are a mess ;-) |
| 13:51:16 | jyp | aha |
| 13:51:22 | jyp | in what way ? |
| 13:51:40 | Bagder | 1 - I didn't have any 'ld' so I updated from cvs and installed |
| 13:51:52 | Bagder | 2 - now the build breaks terribly |
| 13:52:05 | jyp | okok |
| 13:52:23 | jyp | I must have overlooked something |
| 13:52:23 | Bagder | see the cvs build output |
| 13:53:07 | jyp | 2 thouthands warnings ;) |
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| 13:54:40 | quelsaruk | hi |
| 13:55:10 | lImbus | hi |
| 13:55:59 | quelsaruk | i received your mail |
| 13:56:08 | quelsaruk | but i saw amiconn commited it already |
| 13:56:09 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 13:56:45 | Bagder | and now the builds are even more yellow |
| 13:57:13 | Bagder | jyp: let me know if there's anything I can do or check or something |
| 13:57:35 | Bagder | those regex outputs look like a debug output |
| 13:59:02 | LinusN | 2117 warnings, is that a record? |
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| 13:59:11 | HCl | lol. |
| 13:59:26 | Bagder | I don't think so |
| 13:59:40 | LinusN | damn |
| 13:59:57 | DMJC | lol |
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| 14:00:02 | DMJC | chicago font looks funny |
| 14:00:08 | DMJC | as if I owned an ipod |
| 14:01:09 | lImbus | those 2117 are errors, isn't it ? |
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| 14:02:11 | Bagder | true |
| 14:02:49 | lImbus | quelsaruk: and jyp even corrected a few typos i forgot |
| 14:03:06 | quelsaruk | hehe |
| 14:03:08 | quelsaruk | nice |
| 14:04:16 | jyp | Yeah those are errors |
| 14:04:34 | lImbus | _that_ might by a record :-) |
| 14:04:46 | jyp | A messed up gas got in |
| 14:04:51 | jyp | no wonder ;) |
| 14:04:58 | lImbus | gas ? |
| 14:05:05 | jyp | GNU assembler |
| 14:05:14 | lImbus | ah |
| 14:05:54 | jyp | Alright, I got the "mess" fixed (locally) |
| 14:06:05 | * | [IDC]Dragon reboots |
| 14:06:05 | jyp | not I gotta check why ld doesn't install |
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| 14:07:58 | jyp | Well, it installs fine here ... |
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| 14:20:06 | jyp | I'm now able to reproduce the problem |
| 14:20:39 | | Quit webguest86 ("CGI:IRC") |
| 14:21:28 | jyp | omfg... |
| 14:21:51 | jyp | It looks like that's due to a wrong automake version |
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| 14:23:11 | webguest03 | hello |
| 14:23:26 | * | jyp tips his hat. |
| 14:23:32 | HCl | hmm.. |
| 14:23:49 | HCl | i'm having a slight problem with including plugin.h from a different directory.. |
| 14:24:02 | HCl | #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP |
| 14:24:02 | HCl | #include "widgets.h" |
| 14:24:02 | HCl | #endif |
| 14:24:07 | webguest03 | dudes, have you anything news about open source and the xclef hd-500? |
| 14:24:10 | HCl | is that a bug and should it be recorder/widgets.h? |
| 14:24:11 | HCl | or what? |
| 14:24:17 | Bagder | webguest03: no |
| 14:25:16 | webguest03 | fuck it... openjukebox.free.fr are 'developping' a new firmware, but they have restricted the source area... silly Frenches... |
| 14:25:56 | webguest03 | I think your project is great by the way, but now I have to go to the Spongebob Squarepants movie |
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| 14:27:48 | Etienne | Is there somebody here? |
| 14:27:59 | quelsaruk | yes |
| 14:28:01 | HCl | plenty. |
| 14:28:03 | lolo-laptop | nope, the 44 people in the list are not here. |
| 14:28:04 | lolo-laptop | :) |
| 14:28:23 | HCl | Bagder: do you know why that include fails..? |
| 14:28:23 | Etienne | : ) You guys are active ! COOL |
| 14:29:21 | jyp | XD |
| 14:29:46 | Etienne | I'm french and I speak english too I am proposing my help for translation if you need any (I also owned both h120 and now h320) |
| 14:29:48 | Bagder | HCl: the plugins can't include that file like that I guess |
| 14:30:36 | HCl | Bagder: i'm trying to include plugin.h in the gnuboy sources.. |
| 14:30:46 | quelsaruk | Etienne: that's cool, actually, francais.lang is up to date, but you can speak with lImbus and help him I think bobthc also helps with that) |
| 14:31:03 | HCl | Bagder: is HAVE_LCD_BITMAP defined for iriver? |
| 14:31:07 | Bagder | yes |
| 14:31:09 | HCl | k.. |
| 14:31:22 | HCl | i'll just make a softlink for now.. |
| 14:32:25 | HCl | rockmacros.h:3: error: multiple storage classes in declaration of `rb' |
| 14:32:30 | HCl | any idea what thats about? |
| 14:32:38 | HCl | oh, nm :) |
| 14:33:35 | Etienne | @quelsaruk −− ok no problem! |
| 14:34:08 | quelsaruk | talk with them, i think help is always wanted :) |
| 14:34:31 | quelsaruk | the more people working in a translation, the best result you get :) |
| 14:34:37 | Etienne | Iyes! |
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| 14:34:57 | jyp | As opposed to a software project ;) |
| 14:35:25 | Etienne | And how could i help you to advance on the iriver port? |
| 14:35:40 | quelsaruk | why not? :) |
| 14:35:48 | jyp | Bagder: the problems with binutils should be fixed |
| 14:35:56 | Bagder | ok, updating... |
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| 14:36:25 | lolo-laptop | actually I was going to ask that too −− I don't have the time/skills to really read the code and dig in for the iRiver port, would donating money in some way help advance it, or something else? |
| 14:36:43 | Bagder | money will help us buy more hw |
| 14:38:07 | lolo-laptop | is that pretty much what most of the donation money is used for? |
| 14:38:14 | Bagder | yes |
| 14:38:25 | lolo-laptop | cool, that's a worthy cause :) |
| 14:39:23 | Bagder | sponsoring more developers, buying 3x0s to dissect etc |
| 14:39:29 | Lynx_ | how much donation money is there anyway? |
| 14:39:43 | Bagder | I don't know |
| 14:39:52 | Bagder | zagor is the money man |
| 14:40:45 | lolo-laptop | consider yourselves donated to :) |
| 14:42:35 | | Quit HCl ("Lost terminal") |
| 14:42:38 | Lynx_ | does paypal work for europe? |
| 14:42:39 | Bagder | jyp: still no ld installed though |
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| 14:42:53 | jyp | mmmm |
| 14:42:55 | HCl | hm. |
| 14:42:57 | Bagder | Lynx_: yes it does |
| 14:43:08 | * | HCl slaps irssi |
| 14:43:13 | jyp | maybe, delete the ld dir & retry ? |
| 14:43:25 | Etienne | I can have h320 for cheaper if you want? |
| 14:43:36 | Etienne | With suntec... |
| 14:43:41 | Lynx_ | Bagder: ah, and with credit card as i see. hehe, the 'amount' box does not show a currency ;) |
| 14:43:50 | Bagder | haha |
| 14:44:12 | Bagder | I never paid to paypal, I only extract from ;-) |
| 14:44:25 | Bagder | and between paypal accounts of course |
| 14:44:26 | Lynx_ | so i donate "10", hmm |
| 14:44:40 | HCl | um...... |
| 14:44:53 | HCl | /home/hcl/rockbox/rockbox-devel/apps/plugins/gnuboy/inflate.c:132: undefined reference to `memcpy' |
| 14:45:04 | HCl | line 132 = |
| 14:45:05 | HCl | const int clen_weird_tangle[CLEN_TSIZE] |
| 14:45:05 | HCl | = { 16, 17, 18, 0, 8, 7, 9, 6, 10, 5, 11, 4, 12, 3, 13, 2, 14, 1, 15 }; |
| 14:45:07 | HCl | o.o; |
| 14:45:17 | HCl | that calls memcpy? |
| 14:45:39 | Bagder | under the hood it apparently does |
| 14:45:45 | HCl | okay.. |
| 14:45:54 | HCl | guess i'll need wrappers for memcpy and set after all |
| 14:46:15 | Etienne | Guys another little question,you have probably heard of the drm problem when changing firmware with the h320 anybody know how to solve it? |
| 14:47:00 | dwihno | LinusN: Was the packaging OK? :) |
| 14:47:18 | dwihno | LinusN: you should see the way my christmas gifts look! ;D |
| 14:47:27 | lolo-laptop | Etienne: there is a thread on misticriver.net about it −− I don't know if they solved it or just talked about it though. |
| 14:47:42 | quelsaruk | amiconn: are you here? |
| 14:47:47 | lolo-laptop | Lynx_: it's USD afaik |
| 14:48:07 | Etienne | They only talked about it... |
| 14:48:21 | lolo-laptop | Etienne: tragic. |
| 14:48:26 | Lynx_ | lolo-laptop: yeah, i would have guessed that. kinda hard to find out what this will cost, with exchange rates and so on |
| 14:48:37 | Etienne | Some guy said he could remove the message that came up but not put the function back.... |
| 14:49:02 | lolo-laptop | Lynx_: yeah, isn't it like USD1.40=1EURO? |
| 14:49:17 | Etienne | no less about i.28 |
| 14:49:24 | Etienne | go to xe.com to compare |
| 14:49:48 | LinusN | dwihno: the package is tightly sealed, according to sara :-) |
| 14:49:49 | Lynx_ | lolo-laptop: yes, but i meant the stuff you have to pay paypal and the credit card company. |
| 14:49:54 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/currency/ |
| 14:50:01 | jyp | Bagder, did 'ld' install yet ? |
| 14:50:06 | Bagder | no |
| 14:50:15 | Bagder | I'm checking details now |
| 14:50:25 | lolo-laptop | ahh |
| 14:50:43 | Bagder | oops |
| 14:50:48 | Bagder | jyp: yes it does, now it works |
| 14:50:57 | jyp | ah, good |
| 14:51:31 | Bagder | but I still get regex mania |
| 14:51:37 | jyp | Do you ? |
| 14:52:06 | jyp | There's something I don't understand |
| 14:52:09 | Etienne | Ok i need to go but keep up the good work , you guys are great and I hope you suceed (and do the h320)!! |
| 14:52:10 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 14:52:15 | dwihno | LinusN: If you need someone to package stuff - I'm your man! :) |
| 14:52:19 | Bagder | perhaps I should remove more files and rebuild |
| 14:52:23 | Bagder | I'll do that |
| 14:52:52 | jyp | the offending files are in opcodes |
| 14:53:05 | jyp | but under CVS |
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| 14:54:12 | Bagder | I removed all files in my build tree and restart |
| 14:54:13 | jyp | The thing is, there are generated files in cvs; maybe this confuses 'make' or another tool |
| 14:56:12 | Bagder | might be the reason, yes |
| 14:58:00 | Bagder | openjukebox.free.fr is fun ;-) |
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| 14:59:20 | Bagder | jyp: nope, didn't take |
| 14:59:29 | lImbus | Bagder: yea, it's french :-) |
| 14:59:38 | jyp | argh |
| 14:59:58 | Bagder | lImbus: well, I thought more about the fact that there's no source |
| 15:00 |
| 15:00:25 | * | HCl grins. |
| 15:00:38 | HCl | is there even a build of openjukebox? |
| 15:00:42 | HCl | all i can find is hacked firmware |
| 15:00:42 | Bagder | no |
| 15:00:46 | Bagder | there's nothing |
| 15:00:48 | HCl | xD |
| 15:00:58 | HCl | ah well |
| 15:00:59 | HCl | whats to expect |
| 15:01:02 | HCl | they're french >.o |
| 15:01:14 | HCl | :P |
| 15:01:15 | lImbus | I just saw the "Currently active users counter" be bumped from 3 to 73 :D |
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| 15:02:26 | lImbus | XClef seem to be happy, except for some icons, rofl |
| 15:05:03 | jyp | Bagder, sorry that was my fault ... |
| 15:05:38 | Bagder | I'm only happy if we proceed, whoever's fault it is! ;-) |
| 15:05:45 | jyp | Sourceforge cvs is so slow that I didn't let the commit finish ... closed the window too soon |
| 15:05:52 | Bagder | haha |
| 15:06:08 | jyp | Good that makes you laugh ;) |
| 15:07:59 | ripnetuk | back |
| 15:08:05 | ripnetuk | quit |
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| 15:08:19 | jyp | alright, it should be in this time |
| 15:08:32 | jyp | (opcodes/calmrisc16-asm.c) |
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| 15:09:11 | * | Bagder does the rare cvs update dance while waiting for it to complete |
| 15:10:45 | Zagor | how about moving the calmrisc cvs to rockbox.org? |
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| 15:13:36 | bobTHC | hi all |
| 15:14:09 | jyp | Zagor, thanks for the offer; but changing the cvs host is a pain by itself |
| 15:15:02 | jyp | so I guess we'll wait some more... :P |
| 15:17:23 | jyp | Openjukebox head dev. says "We don't publish our results coz we don't want problems with MCL (Jukebox' vendor)" −− May 2004 |
| 15:18:22 | Bagder | yes, they've said that for a very long time |
| 15:18:53 | Zagor | they only get in trouble if they distribute the vendors code, in which case it's not open any way |
| 15:19:09 | sneakums | what's French for "idiot"? |
| 15:19:21 | Bagder | calling it open source is clearly a joke |
| 15:19:37 | bobTHC | totally |
| 15:19:37 | jyp | french(idiot) = idiot |
| 15:19:43 | Shulberry | sneakums: idiot, or imbécile perhaps |
| 15:19:53 | bobTHC | dont b silly |
| 15:20:01 | Zagor | sneakums: please behave nicely |
| 15:20:09 | sneakums | pardon? |
| 15:20:12 | bobTHC | every country have this idiot |
| 15:20:20 | Bagder | indeed |
| 15:20:40 | jyp | Wonder what wiktionnary says about it |
| 15:20:42 | * | Bagder installs calmrisc binutils again |
| 15:20:45 | mrmags | ours is called 'gw bush' |
| 15:20:47 | HCl | jyp: did he literally use "coz" ? |
| 15:20:57 | Zagor | sneakums: don't post flames on their forums or anything |
| 15:21:02 | sneakums | i wasn't going to |
| 15:21:12 | Zagor | ok, good. just making sure :-) |
| 15:21:20 | Bagder | I asked them for the source once |
| 15:21:27 | jyp | HCl, It's a free translation by me |
| 15:21:36 | HCl | ok. gnuboy compiles. all thats left is the iriver lcd/button <-> gnuboy interface |
| 15:21:39 | HCl | ok :p |
| 15:21:43 | Bagder | jyp: hey, it works! ;-) |
| 15:21:50 | * | jyp bounces |
| 15:21:51 | * | HCl stretches |
| 15:22:02 | Bagder | apart from the link |
| 15:22:06 | Bagder | "target elf32-sh not found" |
| 15:22:07 | jyp | onto fix app.lds i suppose |
| 15:22:10 | Bagder | no surprise there |
| 15:22:11 | bobTHC | look@this and it's not frenchies ;) : http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050208/80/fbzpn.html |
| 15:22:32 | bobTHC | totaly offtopic but so funny, sorry :) |
| 15:23:27 | jyp | I guess *that* is idiocy |
| 15:23:58 | jyp | So, who's to win the tournament ? England ? ;) |
| 15:24:01 | bobTHC | totally |
| 15:24:14 | quelsaruk | thatis weird |
| 15:24:17 | bobTHC | the best |
| 15:24:27 | bobTHC | win |
| 15:24:46 | jyp | While we're on the OT thread ... http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Idiot |
| 15:26:05 | Bagder | the xclef has a hw-based codec |
| 15:26:43 | Bagder | or perhaps I misunderstand |
| 15:26:46 | Bagder | never mind |
| 15:26:58 | HCl | um... |
| 15:27:09 | HCl | at least he was good for his word o.o; |
| 15:28:39 | Bagder | gmini down to "only" 386 warnings now ;-) |
| 15:29:14 | HCl | :P |
| 15:30:05 | HCl | does rockbox have usleep? or how much is a kernel tick in sleep() ? |
| 15:30:42 | Bagder | HZ is the number of ticks per second |
| 15:31:06 | Zagor | always use fractions of HZ when calling sleep() |
| 15:31:33 | HCl | hrm. |
| 15:31:55 | HCl | so milleseconds would be..... HZ/1000*ms ? |
| 15:31:59 | HCl | milli* |
| 15:32:16 | Bagder | yes |
| 15:32:27 | Bagder | and hope that HZ is larger than 1000 ;-) |
| 15:32:36 | HCl | hmhm :x |
| 15:32:49 | Bagder | >= actually |
| 15:32:56 | HCl | yea. |
| 15:33:02 | bobTHC | all battlefront progress, gmini , iriver..... it's so great |
| 15:33:33 | Bagder | #define HZ 100 |
| 15:33:44 | Bagder | (from export/kernel.h) |
| 15:33:54 | Zagor | HCl: you simply can't sleep for such short durations. use yield() if you just want to give up some time. |
| 15:34:27 | Bagder | possibly we can that when we increase the clock speed |
| 15:34:35 | HCl | erm. |
| 15:35:20 | HCl | i need the fairly exact delay.. for sound.. |
| 15:35:41 | Zagor | what sound? |
| 15:35:49 | HCl | gameboy. |
| 15:36:00 | Zagor | yeah, but why do you need millisecond sleep for sound? |
| 15:36:15 | HCl | because it needs to slightly pause emulation till the sound has been played, i think. |
| 15:36:30 | Bagder | you play a millisecond sound? |
| 15:36:32 | Zagor | surely the sound is longer than 1ms? |
| 15:36:33 | HCl | we'll just see how it goes. |
| 15:36:39 | HCl | Zagor: yea. |
| 15:37:02 | HCl | i can alter it.. i guess. |
| 15:37:25 | jyp | In talk.h, how about changing .. |
| 15:37:30 | jyp | #define UNIT_SHIFT (32-4) /* this many bits left from UNIT_xx enum */ |
| 15:37:33 | HCl | rb->sleep(HZ*us/1000); |
| 15:37:36 | jyp | to (16-4) ? |
| 15:37:42 | HCl | now it'll just go to 0 if us is lower than 1000 |
| 15:38:04 | Bagder | jyp: [IDC]Dragon and amiconn are the main talk guys |
| 15:38:24 | jyp | ok,thanks. |
| 15:38:45 | jyp | coz that would fix like a hundred warnings ;) |
| 15:39:38 | Zagor | jyp: (sizeof(int)*8 - 4) ? |
| 15:40:27 | jyp | maybe; the thing is I don't know if 12 bits would be enough for whatever should fit in there... |
| 15:41:01 | Zagor | ok |
| 15:42:11 | jyp | amiconn? [IDC]Dragon ? |
| 15:43:19 | HCl | i got a question about get_time... |
| 15:43:37 | HCl | say you do b=get_time(); |
| 15:43:41 | HCl | then do a=get_time(); |
| 15:43:50 | HCl | will b be overwritten with a? |
| 15:44:30 | HCl | (does the result have a static memspace?) |
| 15:45:16 | Bagder | yes, it points to static data |
| 15:45:18 | HCl | ok. |
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| 15:49:13 | HCl | whats tm_isdst in the time structure? |
| 15:49:26 | LinusN | daylight savings time |
| 15:49:45 | Bagder | as if Rockbox knew ;-) |
| 15:49:50 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:50:08 | HCl | lol. |
| 15:51:45 | linuxstb | iRiver rockbox doesn't even know what day it is... |
| 15:51:56 | HCl | heh... i need to return microseconds.. but the only time resolution rockbox provides is seconds at most... |
| 15:52:04 | [IDC]Dragon | jyp: I'm here |
| 15:52:23 | jyp | Have you seen my question ? |
| 15:52:34 | * | [IDC]Dragon scrolls back... |
| 15:52:34 | HCl | i'm not sure if this is gonna work with just a resolution of seconds.. actually, the unix implementation returns 1 second + microseconds if more than a second have passed.. |
| 15:53:19 | LinusN | HCl: what do you need the resolution for? |
| 15:53:25 | HCl | LinusN: timing in the emulator.. |
| 15:53:29 | [IDC]Dragon | the number talking shouldn't get restricted to 16 bit, imho |
| 15:53:53 | Zagor | HCl: is current_tick enough? |
| 15:53:55 | LinusN | HCl: how high resolution do you need, and what for? |
| 15:54:00 | HCl | Zagor: probably |
| 15:54:13 | HCl | if you can guarantee that current_tick will keep increasing |
| 15:54:25 | Zagor | only until it wraps :) |
| 15:54:25 | jyp | [IDC]Dragon: Really ? Because it would lead to quite some changes |
| 15:54:25 | LinusN | it does |
| 15:54:44 | HCl | i'm not sure how high the resolution should be, but less than a second, i know that. |
| 15:55:07 | LinusN | the rockbox tick is 10ms |
| 15:55:22 | HCl | should be more than enough resolution |
| 15:55:57 | [IDC]Dragon | jyp: we need 4 bits for the unit one for the sign, so this would leave only 11 bits |
| 15:56:00 | HCl | i don't think unix system provide a much better resolution than 10ms anyways |
| 15:56:11 | HCl | systems* |
| 15:56:12 | sneakums | depends on the unix |
| 15:56:15 | HCl | mhm |
| 15:56:33 | [IDC]Dragon | we wouldn't be able to say numbers beyond 2047 |
| 15:56:46 | HCl | ok, current_tick is just in the api, right? |
| 15:57:02 | LinusN | HCl: ??? |
| 15:57:15 | HCl | hm? o.o |
| 15:57:29 | HCl | i'll use current tick |
| 15:57:33 | [IDC]Dragon | jyp: what are the consequences of having this long? |
| 15:57:33 | LinusN | current_tick is a global variable |
| 15:57:39 | HCl | its mostly to check how much time has been passed between a certain time |
| 15:57:41 | HCl | and another time |
| 15:57:43 | LinusN | and the plugin api has a pointer to it |
| 15:57:43 | HCl | yea |
| 15:57:47 | HCl | *nods* |
| 15:58:10 | jyp | [IDC]Dragon, mainly changing it all along the call chain; qutite tedious |
| 15:58:14 | LinusN | there are two useful macros, TIME_AFTER() and TIME_BEFORE() |
| 15:58:23 | HCl | so i'll just do current_tick-old_tick*HZ*1000000 |
| 15:58:27 | HCl | oh |
| 15:58:33 | HCl | what do they do exactly? |
| 15:58:53 | LinusN | they tell you if a tick value is before or after another |
| 15:58:56 | jyp | Nothing too difficult nor costly I guess |
| 15:59:04 | HCl | okay.. |
| 15:59:06 | LinusN | and it handles the wrapping |
| 15:59:06 | HCl | thanks |
| 15:59:07 | HCl | :) |
| 15:59:09 | HCl | *nods* |
| 15:59:14 | HCl | that'll do nicely |
| 15:59:31 | LinusN | just subtracting them will probably be fine |
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| 16:00:24 | linuxstb | Looking in firmware/export/kernel.h, TIME_AFTER just subtracts them... How does that handle wrapping? |
| 16:00:33 | HCl | needs to be divide, by the way |
| 16:01:19 | HCl | is the size of a pointer the same size as a long on iriver? |
| 16:01:28 | HCl | i have a bit of a bad x86 coding habit where i assume they are.. |
| 16:02:34 | jyp | [IDC]Dragon, looks like TALK_ID is used only for small numbers |
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| 16:03:29 | Zagor | they are, but please avoid depending on it |
| 16:04:44 | HCl | *nods* |
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| 16:05:32 | LinusN | linuxstb: in fact, subtracting them works just fine |
| 16:06:12 | LinusN | as they are unsigned |
| 16:08:18 | HCl | oi, i don't like how C uses * for both pointer dereference and multiply |
| 16:08:38 | preglow | you rarely end up mixing them together |
| 16:08:56 | HCl | int sys_elapsed(long *oldtick) { |
| 16:08:56 | HCl | return ((rb->current_tick-(*oldtick))*1000000)/HZ; |
| 16:08:56 | HCl | } |
| 16:08:59 | preglow | though stuff like *a * *b looks nasty |
| 16:09:00 | HCl | whats wrong with that? |
| 16:09:08 | HCl | gives an compile error |
| 16:09:14 | HCl | sys/iriver/iriver.c:54: error: invalid operands to binary * |
| 16:09:57 | HCl | i'm confused to whats wrong with it.. :/ |
| 16:10:12 | LinusN | rb->current tick is a pointer |
| 16:10:18 | HCl | ok |
| 16:10:25 | LinusN | use *(rb->current_tick) |
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| 16:10:56 | HCl | *nods* |
| 16:11:02 | LinusN | gotta go, cu later |
| 16:11:06 | HCl | bye.. |
| 16:11:21 | linuxstb | LinusN: OK, I will believe you. I guess it takes a very long time for them to wrap anyway. |
| 16:11:40 | LinusN | indeed |
| 16:11:43 | LinusN | bye |
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| 16:12:34 | linuxstb | About 8 days... (for current_tick to wrap) |
| 16:13:22 | Bagder | 100 ticks per sec surely takes longer to wrap |
| 16:14:38 | Zagor | i get 497 days |
| 16:14:55 | Bagder | it might be signed, making 248 days |
| 16:15:17 | HCl | lol. |
| 16:15:30 | HCl | no risk there |
| 16:16:28 | linuxstb | Yes, sorry - (2^32)/100 seconds is about 11930 hours = 497 days |
| 16:16:42 | Bagder | http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.last.html :-) |
| 16:18:29 | Zagor | interesting how 5 of the top-10 are swedish servers and 8 of 10 are scandinavian |
| 16:18:34 | HCl | hm.. |
| 16:18:46 | linuxstb | Surely that is easy to fake? |
| 16:18:50 | sneakums | it's all the clean living |
| 16:19:40 | Bagder | also, there's not a single Linux in the top-50 |
| 16:19:42 | Zagor | linuxstb: probably, but those are major state-owned institutions that I doubt would do that just for fun. |
| 16:20:03 | bobTHC | Zagor> swedish wizards once again hit ;) |
| 16:20:33 | HCl | hrm. |
| 16:20:54 | HCl | rockbox doesn't update its lcd buffer automatically, does it? |
| 16:21:03 | Zagor | no, you need to call lcd_update() |
| 16:21:06 | HCl | mhm.. |
| 16:21:18 | HCl | and i'm guessing it doesn't support 4bit pixel data either.. |
| 16:21:30 | Bagder | 1bit only so far |
| 16:21:33 | HCl | mhm... |
| 16:21:52 | jyp | hmhmhhn ;) |
| 16:21:56 | HCl | gnuboy is designed to directly write onto a framebuffer |
| 16:22:07 | HCl | with either 8,16,24, or 32bit modes |
| 16:22:47 | Bagder | enters 1bit mode... :-) |
| 16:23:02 | jyp | http://www.namesuppressed.com/kenny/ |
| 16:23:46 | Bagder | well, hopefully you'll get 2 bits "soon" |
| 16:24:13 | preglow | HCl: afaik, gameboy uses four shades of gray, just like the h1x0, so you COULD just hack in a 'write directly' mode |
| 16:25:33 | HCl | preglow: yea, i was thinking about that. |
| 16:25:41 | HCl | Bagder: thats sort of what i'm waiting for :P |
| 16:25:51 | HCl | i think i'll take a break |
| 16:26:17 | HCl | gnuboy pretty much compiles, all thats left is to point it at the correct rom to load, make the lcd interface and make the joystick interface |
| 16:36:00 | linuxstb | HCl: Maybe your emulator be implemented as a "viewer" - i.e. like the text file or jpeg viewer. You would then just "play" a ROM in the normal file browser. |
| 16:37:04 | preglow | hahaha |
| 16:37:05 | preglow | that would rock |
| 16:37:09 | bobTHC | it's a good way to simply browse |
| 16:37:17 | preglow | indeed |
| 16:37:45 | Bagder | making a plugin a viewer is fairly easy |
| 16:39:48 | lImbus | it's already done for those chip8-emus, isn't it ? |
| 16:40:04 | Bagder | yes |
| 16:40:10 | HCl | linuxstb: yea. |
| 16:40:21 | HCl | that was sort of what i had in mind |
| 16:40:56 | lImbus | it's mainly like argv and argc except that argc is always 1 |
| 16:41:59 | lImbus | define a file type (extension, that is) add a line to the viewers.cfg and you're done. no need to modify anything else in rockbox |
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| 16:48:55 | HCl | heh, i'll be happy if it runs first |
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| 17:05:35 | HCl | hm |
| 17:06:08 | HCl | how do buttons work? |
| 17:06:25 | HCl | i read something about a queue? i just repeat button_get till i get BUTTON_NONE ? |
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| 17:06:58 | preglow | it seems to be queue based, yes |
| 17:07:01 | preglow | so i guess so |
| 17:09:03 | HCl | okay. |
| 17:11:15 | ashridah | hrm. wouldn't you want raw access to the buttons to get smoother gameplay? (and i still have no idea how you intend to deal with the fact that the joystick looks like it can't press two directions to get a diagonal... |
| 17:12:32 | Bagder | you can check for buttons, it doesn't block if you don't want to |
| 17:13:29 | lolo-laptop | is it the button processing hardware that doesn't send multiple button signals simultaneously? That is the l4m3. |
| 17:13:30 | ashridah | fair enough then |
| 17:14:18 | preglow | lolo-laptop: that's the way it usually is, you can get away with one wire instead of several then |
| 17:15:38 | ashridah | i don't see the problem with that. it's not a gameboy after all, it's an mp3 player. :) |
| 17:16:22 | lolo-laptop | serial >= parallel in most cases −− if the bus is fast enough couldn't the game controller simulate it similar to how X-Windows similates a 3rd button with chord middle? |
| 17:16:23 | bobTHC | :) |
| 17:16:53 | ashridah | hell, it's how i designed my data input systems last time i built something using a 6811 uc. |
| 17:17:09 | HCl | where's a list of all the button values etc? |
| 17:17:17 | Bagder | button.h |
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| 17:17:22 | HCl | ashridah: eh.. i think it should be fast enough o.o; |
| 17:17:35 | HCl | as badger said, i just make it non-blocking |
| 17:17:52 | ashridah | true. |
| 17:18:09 | lolo-laptop | chuckle he probably has the most often typo'd name around. −− it'll take some getting used to in games to do a rolling press to get diagonal, but it should work, eh? |
| 17:18:43 | preglow | lolo-laptop: it's a hardware issue, one buttons physically blocks the other |
| 17:19:01 | ashridah | lolo-laptop: pff. that's what tab complete is for |
| 17:19:30 | lolo-laptop | preglow: so a rolling press doesn't send both button codes :-(! |
| 17:20:22 | ashridah | preglow: i was more thinking of the physical issues, as in the joystick seems to have no way to press both at once, at a quick glance |
| 17:23:22 | HCl | hrm. |
| 17:23:41 | HCl | ashridah: correct |
| 17:24:20 | * | HCl isn't sure how to detect releasing buttons o.o; |
| 17:24:46 | HCl | i.. guess.. i'll.. just add a last-state var and check whether it was pressed last time, and if it wasn't, release it.. |
| 17:24:47 | preglow | you could maintain an internal map |
| 17:24:50 | HCl | was* |
| 17:24:54 | Bagder | BUTTON_REL |
| 17:25:01 | preglow | that simplifies it :P |
| 17:25:04 | HCl | ohh |
| 17:25:06 | HCl | great. |
| 17:25:09 | HCl | absolutely great :p |
| 17:25:36 | Bagder | reading existing code will help you finding out these things |
| 17:26:05 | HCl | yea |
| 17:26:08 | HCl | i guess |
| 17:26:16 | lolo-laptop | despite being overall less game good the H340 buttons seem to cooperate with being pressed 2 at once alright... |
| 17:26:19 | HCl | sorry |
| 17:29:21 | LUMOS1 | Joerg, are you there?? |
| 17:29:32 | [IDC]Dragon | yes |
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| 17:29:35 | Trevmar | Joerg, are you there?? |
| 17:29:44 | [IDC]Dragon | still, yet |
| 17:30:27 | Trevmar | I noticed that post about the USB which disappeared from nansen2, and it fits the remaining Ondio sitting on my workbench to a T |
| 17:30:55 | Trevmar | Can you think of any testing which might be useful now I have CVS running? |
| 17:31:22 | [IDC]Dragon | hang on |
| 17:31:29 | [IDC]Dragon | away for a sec |
| 17:31:32 | Trevmar | ok |
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| 17:49:29 | HCl | ok, that covers iriver buttons <-> gnuboy |
| 17:50:32 | HCl | who wants to extend rockbox to support 4 bits grayscale? :x |
| 17:50:46 | Bagder | 2bits |
| 17:50:54 | Bagder | 4 colors |
| 17:50:57 | * | Bagder runs away |
| 17:52:01 | * | preglow hides. |
| 17:52:17 | lolo-laptop | who wants to extend it to support full color on the H3x0? |
| 17:52:22 | * | lolo-laptop runs farther |
| 17:57:28 | HCl | sorry |
| 17:57:29 | HCl | 2 bits |
| 17:58:13 | [IDC]Dragon | Trovor: back again |
| 17:58:23 | [IDC]Dragon | Trevor even |
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| 18:00:26 | [IDC]Dragon | or Trevmar |
| 18:01:15 | Trevmar | ok i am here |
| 18:01:59 | [IDC]Dragon | have you tried just multivolume, no hotswap? |
| 18:02:25 | Trevmar | I tried hotswap and no multivolume, but there were dependencies |
| 18:02:36 | HCl | igh.. |
| 18:02:38 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, that doesn't work |
| 18:02:47 | [IDC]Dragon | andmakes no sense either |
| 18:03:13 | Trevmar | OK, but I thought that the Jan 2 breaking date would indicate it was multivolume |
| 18:03:24 | Trevmar | that was broken |
| 18:03:26 | [IDC]Dragon | try wit current cvs |
| 18:03:42 | [IDC]Dragon | to make sure you'r not missing any later fix |
| 18:03:50 | Trevmar | Ok, will do. |
| 18:06:18 | HCl | linus isn't around... |
| 18:06:28 | HCl | i'm slightly annoyed with the way i have to do video at the moment.. |
| 18:06:45 | HCl | cause it goes from.. 8bit framebuffer in memory -> 1 bit framebuffer in memory -> lcd framebuffer |
| 18:10:49 | [IDC]Dragon | video? |
| 18:11:02 | HCl | gameboy video output. |
| 18:11:06 | HCl | display is generally called video |
| 18:11:18 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, graphics |
| 18:11:26 | [IDC]Dragon | ;-) |
| 18:11:52 | HCl | i'm trying to get at least the 8bit -> 1bit conversion out.. while at the same time telling rockbox to only update one scanline.. |
| 18:12:53 | thegeek | have you tested a binary? |
| 18:12:57 | thegeek | just to see if it actually works |
| 18:13:11 | thegeek | I know there is no gfx/controls/sound or anything |
| 18:13:33 | [IDC]Dragon | HC1: minimum update is 8 scanlines |
| 18:13:47 | [IDC]Dragon | the line may be short |
| 18:14:16 | [IDC]Dragon | but a byte in frame buffer is 8 bits *below* |
| 18:14:35 | [IDC]Dragon | not across, as intuition tells |
| 18:15:52 | HCl | thegeek: no. |
| 18:16:01 | HCl | thegeek: whats the point of testing it without gfx/controls/sound? |
| 18:16:18 | HCl | thegeek: i haven't even linked the plugin entry point to the gnuboy emu |
| 18:16:31 | HCl | i wouldn't even be able to tell whether it worked |
| 18:17:13 | HCl | [IDC]Dragon: one byte is 8 scanlines, right? |
| 18:17:26 | thegeek | surely you could just add some debug messages in some critical places |
| 18:17:29 | thegeek | to see if it runs |
| 18:17:43 | HCl | i guess. |
| 18:17:44 | thegeek | I don't know, I really don't know rockbox code;) |
| 18:17:48 | thegeek | do it your way |
| 18:17:52 | thegeek | don't listen to me;) |
| 18:18:32 | HCl | :P |
| 18:18:33 | HCl | ok |
| 18:18:48 | * | HCl scratches his head |
| 18:19:53 | HCl | this is so frustrating, cause gnuboy has 0 comments/code documentation |
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| 18:22:29 | HCl | ah.. palette thing.. |
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| 18:25:51 | Cap_d_Stuzz | so? |
| 18:26:23 | Trevmar | Joerg: It says *Panic* Reading past end of card" on the 03 08 unit with multivolume enabled |
| 18:27:28 | Trevmar | luckily my USB still works |
| 18:27:51 | HCl | igh. |
| 18:28:00 | Trevmar | Joerg: please confirm you have seen this :) |
| 18:28:06 | * | HCl doesn't like math. |
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| 18:29:18 | preglow | i love math |
| 18:29:42 | * | ashridah flees |
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| 18:30:56 | [IDC]Dragon | Trevmar: the panic is checking if an access beyond the card's capacity is tried |
| 18:31:16 | [IDC]Dragon | no, I haven't seen it happening |
| 18:31:47 | [IDC]Dragon | Jens introduced that check not too long ago |
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| 18:32:37 | [IDC]Dragon | if it triggers, something is ill before |
| 18:33:37 | [IDC]Dragon | we should extend it with some output: which card, which address |
| 18:33:53 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe MV is confusing cards |
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| 18:38:45 | [IDC]Dragon | Trevmar: do you feel capable to do so? |
| 18:41:39 | HCl | [IDC]Dragon: to map a scanline onto an rockbox scanline i need to divide the scanline by eight and the modulo 8 of the scanline will be the individual scanline within the byte, right? |
| 18:43:16 | HCl | can i just shift a one by that much to set it? |
| 18:44:28 | Trevmar | Sorry Joerg, I went to get coffee :) Yes, I used to embedded program a lot (about 20 years ago :( ) Tell me what you need doing, and try and make it easy for me to handle, as this is what I have been doing for th elast 5 years or so: http://autoimmunityresearch.org/chicago2005.htm |
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| 18:52:15 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 18:52:23 | * | HCl prods people who know about the lcd framebuffer :/ |
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| 19:00:38 | HCl | thats just evil... |
| 19:00:44 | HCl | gcc shouldn't even accept this line of code.. |
| 19:00:45 | HCl | *(dest+++scanline_mapped)&=~(1<<scanline_index); |
| 19:02:24 | [IDC]Dragon | Trevmar: are you around for a while? We can cantinue this in an hour or so |
| 19:02:37 | HCl | [IDC]Dragon: do you know anything about the lcd buffer format? |
| 19:02:46 | [IDC]Dragon | yes |
| 19:03:45 | Trevmar | Joerg, |
| 19:03:48 | [IDC]Dragon | as I said, a byte are the piyels ontop of each other for 8 scanlines |
| 19:04:10 | [IDC]Dragon | the next byte wil be the 8 pixels to the right of that column |
| 19:04:11 | amiconn | HCl: It's somewhat described in firmware/drivers/lcd-h100.c. Search for "About Rockbox' internal bitmap format" |
| 19:04:16 | Trevmar | yes I will check back from time to time. Best to send me an email in case I lose my IRC connection, though |
| 19:04:46 | Trevmar | IRC keeps disconnecting every few hours :( |
| 19:05:12 | [IDC]Dragon | Trevmar: I'm still confused about which disease I should contact you ;-) |
| 19:05:14 | HCl | amiconn: okay |
| 19:05:33 | Trevmar | no problems, we study them lol -LOL |
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| 19:06:39 | Trevmar | Joerg, I did do a transition from pure Elecronic Engr to Biomed Engr in 1985 - then I got caught up in RISc and Intrenet and whatever until about 2000 -LOL |
| 19:07:10 | HCl | okay. |
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| 19:08:15 | HCl | amiconn: ok.. i *think* i got it right then.. |
| 19:09:04 | Sucka | hows it going guys? |
| 19:12:14 | HCl | hmm. |
| 19:12:16 | HCl | so-so |
| 19:13:30 | Sucka | ooh |
| 19:13:39 | Sucka | are you the guy trying to get a gameboy emulater to work on it? |
| 19:13:45 | Sucka | i was reading irc logs ;) |
| 19:13:57 | HCl | thats me, yea. |
| 19:14:00 | Sucka | awesome :D |
| 19:14:08 | HCl | the button interface was trivial... |
| 19:14:14 | HCl | i *think* i just finished the lcd interface |
| 19:14:29 | HCl | so i just need to connect gnuboy's main() to the plugin interface |
| 19:14:33 | HCl | but i'm gonna eat dinner, ta |
| 19:14:38 | Sucka | bye |
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| 19:23:18 | * | HCl returns |
| 19:23:38 | lImbus | dinner in 9 minutes. wow |
| 19:27:25 | HCl | :P |
| 19:27:38 | HCl | no interesting people to talk with. |
| 19:28:46 | linuxstb | HCl: I've just had a quick look at the gnuboy sources - have you included inflate.c ? |
| 19:29:18 | HCl | no. |
| 19:29:36 | HCl | compression needed yet another realloc buffer. |
| 19:29:49 | HCl | and i didn't think it was worth the memory sacrifice. |
| 19:30:01 | linuxstb | No - I think 40GB is enough for GB roms... |
| 19:30:05 | HCl | mhm. |
| 19:30:21 | HCl | do you know the lcd framebuffer some? |
| 19:30:34 | HCl | i'm kind of wanting/needing someone to tell me whether this code i have is correctish |
| 19:30:42 | linuxstb | Me? No, not at all. |
| 19:30:57 | HCl | k :/ |
| 19:31:36 | linuxstb | Have you tried building for the iRiver simulator? |
| 19:33:28 | HCl | no. |
| 19:33:39 | HCl | thats a good idea, by the way. |
| 19:34:03 | HCl | aside from not having a windows iriver simulator, nor a build environment to make one |
| 19:34:29 | linuxstb | What OS do you use? There's an X11 simulator for Unix as well. |
| 19:35:09 | linuxstb | Or are we talking about different things? |
| 19:35:30 | linuxstb | I'm talking about the Rockbox simulator. |
| 19:35:32 | HCl | we are.. my workstations are windows, but my server runs linux |
| 19:35:38 | HCl | hence i prefer a windows simulator |
| 19:35:46 | HCl | but i guess i can use vnc |
| 19:35:50 | HCl | and use the x11 one |
| 19:36:06 | HCl | let me hook up its main() thing first.. |
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| 19:40:15 | ashridah | hm. the simulator doesn't work with cygwin? |
| 19:42:29 | HCl | i don't know |
| 19:42:31 | HCl | i don't have cygwin |
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| 19:48:22 | HCl | where could i alter the memory sizes assigned to plugins again? |
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| 19:49:16 | lImbus | uh. that must be somewhere in the startup of rockbox. isn't there a define for that in plugin.h ? |
| 19:49:27 | HCl | linus told me where it was earlier |
| 19:49:31 | HCl | but my irc client crashed |
| 19:49:33 | HCl | so i lost it |
| 19:49:37 | [IDC]Dragon | it's in the linker definition file |
| 19:49:39 | ashridah | HCl: so use the online logs |
| 19:49:46 | [IDC]Dragon | *.lds |
| 19:49:47 | HCl | ohyea. |
| 19:49:52 | HCl | [IDC]Dragon: ok.. |
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| 19:54:33 | [IDC]Dragon | bbl |
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| 19:54:51 | HCl | titania:/home/hcl/rockbox/rockbox-devel/iriver# ls -al rockboy.rock |
| 19:54:51 | HCl | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4873512 Feb 9 19:53 rockboy.rock |
| 19:54:57 | HCl | 4.8 mb :x |
| 19:55:03 | ashridah | rofl |
| 19:55:11 | ashridah | did you link in libc by accident? :) |
| 19:55:14 | HCl | no xD |
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| 19:55:40 | HCl | i'm assuming it allocates space for the buffers right in the .rock? |
| 19:55:55 | webguest99 | has linus work on iriver port since yesterday ? |
| 19:56:02 | webguest99 | has linus work on iriver port since yesterday ? |
| 19:56:06 | HCl | look at the cvs weblog. |
| 19:56:29 | webguest99 | i spoke about the bootloader and the hold button ? |
| 19:56:50 | HCl | i don't think he added support for that |
| 19:56:58 | thegeek | he's working on it |
| 19:57:06 | webguest99 | cool |
| 19:57:27 | webguest99 | my battery suffered today , my iriver stand powered on all the day |
| 19:58:44 | * | HCl stares at gnuboy. |
| 19:58:54 | thegeek | go! |
| 19:58:55 | HCl | now i'm starting to get scared to finish it and find out it doesn't work at all |
| 19:58:56 | HCl | xD |
| 19:59:19 | HCl | all thats left is linking the plugin entry point to the main() and adding proper procedures to shut the emulator down |
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| 19:59:59 | ashridah | please, you've done 90% of the work. now you've just got 90% to go |
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| 20:00:05 | ashridah | you're not finished :) |
| 20:00:08 | linuxstb | HCl: Congratulations on getting it to build. Now the hard work begins... |
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| 20:01:07 | HCl | well. hm. |
| 20:01:15 | HCl | say i wanted to access a file in the root of the drive |
| 20:01:22 | HCl | would i just open "\\blah" ? |
| 20:02:05 | linuxstb | I think you use "/blah" |
| 20:02:10 | HCl | ok |
| 20:02:30 | HCl | i'm gonna try and make it just.. load /rom.gb by default |
| 20:02:41 | linuxstb | Looking in bootloader/main.c, the bootloader looks for "/rockbox.iriver" |
| 20:03:53 | HCl | ok |
| 20:03:59 | amiconn | HCl: /blah is correct; rockbox uses unix path syntax (and only supports absolute paths) |
| 20:04:02 | HCl | okay |
| 20:05:24 | HCl | is there a function that like, terminates a plugin immediately? |
| 20:05:40 | HCl | or am i just gonna have to let my entry point return nicely.. |
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| 20:05:44 | HCl | which is gonna be a bit of a pain.. |
| 20:06:05 | ripnetUK | for the record, its looking a lot like its the new Mandrake kernel thats been eating my filesystem, not Rockbox :) |
| 20:06:10 | thegeek | humhum |
| 20:08:36 | HCl | :P |
| 20:13:57 | HCl | okay. |
| 20:14:01 | HCl | now i'm scared to test it :x |
| 20:15:02 | ashridah | wimp :) |
| 20:15:42 | HCl | :p |
| 20:15:50 | HCl | well. |
| 20:15:52 | HCl | its just that. |
| 20:15:54 | HCl | if it doesn't work |
| 20:15:57 | HCl | it means more work |
| 20:16:03 | ashridah | bah |
| 20:16:05 | ashridah | wimp. |
| 20:16:05 | HCl | and otherwise, i'll just not know :p |
| 20:16:07 | HCl | :P |
| 20:16:30 | HCl | it'll most likely crash horribly. |
| 20:16:37 | HCl | adding a stop button might be a good idea too, heh |
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| 20:19:32 | HCl | how do i check the hold button? |
| 20:21:47 | hubble | Anyone know how UDA1380 i2s interface is connected to the CPU? |
| 20:22:01 | [IDC]Dragon | Trevmar: do you read? |
| 20:23:20 | Trevmar | yes, I am here |
| 20:24:00 | [IDC]Dragon | so, where were we? MV works, but no hotswap? |
| 20:24:19 | Trevmar | no, MV enabled gives PANIC |
| 20:24:26 | [IDC]Dragon | ok |
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| 20:24:31 | Trevmar | using the latest CVS |
| 20:24:38 | [IDC]Dragon | can you go into ata_mmc.c ? |
| 20:24:45 | Trevmar | just a minute |
| 20:24:56 | * | HCl does a make zip... |
| 20:25:11 | [IDC]Dragon | line 646 |
| 20:25:51 | Trevmar | arrgh this editor doesnt have line count, wait a bit... |
| 20:26:06 | Trevmar | copy and paste the line pse |
| 20:26:12 | [IDC]Dragon | search for panicf |
| 20:26:31 | Trevmar | OK, got the message |
| 20:26:53 | Trevmar | you want to porint some variables there? |
| 20:26:54 | [IDC]Dragon | extend this to print the offending values |
| 20:27:06 | Trevmar | er, which values? |
| 20:27:20 | [IDC]Dragon | just a sec |
| 20:29:24 | HCl | hrm. |
| 20:29:35 | [IDC]Dragon | panicf("Reading %d past end %d of card %d\n", start+incount-card->numsectors, card->numsectors, drive); |
| 20:30:02 | HCl | hrm. |
| 20:30:10 | [IDC]Dragon | this only works for MV enabled, because of the drive param |
| 20:30:11 | HCl | rockboy isn't getting zipped when i do a make zip... why? |
| 20:30:36 | [IDC]Dragon | HCl: you need to add it to SOURCES |
| 20:30:59 | HCl | it is |
| 20:31:11 | Trevmar | OK, will compile and test... |
| 20:31:12 | HCl | otherwise it wouldn't get built |
| 20:31:19 | HCl | i guess i can copy it manually... |
| 20:33:07 | amiconn | Trevmar: I have one more thing you could check (with your test build or plain daily, and with a build without multivolume & hotswap for comparison) |
| 20:33:18 | Trevmar | GA |
| 20:34:22 | amiconn | With _both builds_, go to Info->Debug->View MMC info, and note all 4 pages _both with & without_ MMC inserted |
| 20:35:31 | amiconn | Be sure you don't mix the headlines; there are [MMC0 p1], [MMC0 p2], [MMC1 p1], [MMC1 p2] |
| 20:36:03 | [IDC]Dragon | looking for a wrong enable? |
| 20:36:21 | Trevmar | Joerg, I got *PANIC* Reading 1 past end 0 of card 1 |
| 20:36:35 | [IDC]Dragon | end 0 is no good |
| 20:36:53 | [IDC]Dragon | thanks |
| 20:36:57 | amiconn | Looks like the card doesn't get initialised properly |
| 20:37:18 | Trevmar | same card worked fine with MV disabled :) |
| 20:37:27 | amiconn | Trevmar: Do you get this even when no card is inserted? |
| 20:37:50 | Trevmar | Nope, no panic, machine works fine until I insert card |
| 20:37:59 | HCl | hrm. |
| 20:38:12 | amiconn | Trevmar: What if the card is already inserted at boot? |
| 20:38:16 | * | HCl uploaded rockboy, put a rom on his iriver.. |
| 20:38:17 | [IDC]Dragon | HCl is stuck ina loop |
| 20:38:20 | HCl | yea |
| 20:38:22 | HCl | xd |
| 20:38:26 | thegeek | oh the excitement! |
| 20:38:38 | HCl | it'll just crash horribly *nods* |
| 20:38:39 | HCl | xD |
| 20:39:12 | Trevmar | the card has to be inserted at boot because I have hotplug turned off still |
| 20:39:21 | Trevmar | just MV enabled |
| 20:39:26 | amiconn | AH. |
| 20:39:28 | HCl | incompatible version. |
| 20:39:29 | HCl | o.o |
| 20:39:40 | HCl | hey! how's that possible o.o; |
| 20:39:47 | HCl | hm. |
| 20:39:51 | HCl | nm o.o |
| 20:40:21 | amiconn | Hrrrrmmm. I suspect problems with logic level when switching the select. I'd really prefer to have such a 0x0308 unit here for testing... |
| 20:40:37 | HCl | that explains why it didn't pack rockboy >.o old .zip |
| 20:41:56 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: I admit that I don't understand why the circuit works with both AND and OR |
| 20:42:10 | amiconn | ??? |
| 20:42:12 | [IDC]Dragon | and just flipping a polarity |
| 20:42:21 | Trevmar | the hotplug fails with my AC08 units as well, remember |
| 20:42:44 | Trevmar | even though the MV works with them |
| 20:42:45 | amiconn | Trevmar: Yes, but multivolume does work there |
| 20:42:51 | Trevmar | and the ones reported on the forum were 07 08 |
| 20:43:09 | amiconn | I think there are 2 separate problems |
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| 20:43:56 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I think the circuit is a bit more different, not only AND replaced by OR |
| 20:45:28 | amiconn | Using AND is the better choice imho (and I think this is why they changed it after all). With AND, the "idle" level is high, which is also idle level for MMC. |
| 20:45:52 | * | [IDC]Dragon stares at the pics |
| 20:46:08 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, the traces are somwhat different |
| 20:46:39 | amiconn | Trevmar: Does USB access work for both internal & external with MV-enabled rockbox? |
| 20:47:02 | Trevmar | wait - let me test it |
| 20:47:40 | amiconn | lImbus: r u there? |
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| 20:50:01 | Trevmar | amiconn, the 0708 says "please remove inseted MMC" when I plug in SUB. daily build 20050204 |
| 20:50:12 | Trevmar | ..plug in USB.. |
| 20:50:23 | amiconn | Of course. |
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| 20:50:46 | amiconn | USB connect *can* only work without the card inserted. |
| 20:51:06 | XShocK | hi all |
| 20:51:22 | amiconn | If you want to access the card via USB, you have to pull it before and reinsert it after connecting |
| 20:51:36 | amiconn | That's a hardware limitation, nothing we can do about |
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| 20:52:19 | amiconn | And: MMC hotswap in USB has been working long before (and independent from) MMC hotswap for rockbox access |
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| 20:53:49 | amiconn | Trevmar: Does the 0308 unit say the same under your test condition? It should... |
| 20:54:02 | Trevmar | Hotplug doesn't work in either of my 07 08 boxes. When I pull the card out the unit switches off with horizontal and vertical lines on the display |
| 20:54:54 | amiconn | Yeah, I mean, test with MV but *without* hotswap, and primarily on the 0308 units |
| 20:54:57 | Trevmar | Yes, the 03 08 and 07 08 both require card to be pulled out when USB plugged in |
| 20:55:33 | amiconn | Does the actual access work both to the internal flash (when card is pulled) and the card (when plugged)? |
| 20:56:05 | Trevmar | yes, I get the <MMC1> on the 07 08 boxes |
| 20:56:26 | amiconn | No, I mean USB access. |
| 20:57:03 | Trevmar | When I plug in the USB while the card is installed it tells me I have to pull the card |
| 20:57:13 | amiconn | Yeah, of course. |
| 20:57:15 | * | [IDC]Dragon draws circuit diagrams |
| 20:57:49 | amiconn | Trevmar: I said: connect USB *without* card inserted. (1) Can you access the internal flash from the PC? |
| 20:58:27 | amiconn | (2) Plug the card now. Does the drive content on the PC now change to the card's content, i.e. access to card works too? |
| 20:59:37 | Trevmar | yes, the unit works fine without a card plugged in |
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| 21:00:20 | HCl | that took a while to load, and as i said, it exited immediately XD |
| 21:00:25 | HCl | i wonder why though |
| 21:00:48 | Trevmar | Amiconn, when I plug in USB |
| 21:01:08 | amiconn | Trevmar: Okay. What about (2)? |
| 21:01:26 | Trevmar | and then plug in the MMC the Ondio did not switch off, and on my PC I can not see any <MMC1> designator |
| 21:01:37 | Trevmar | just the internal ondio memory |
| 21:01:51 | amiconn | Of course; this trick cannot work for USB access. |
| 21:02:36 | amiconn | The drive (if you are on Windows) should now show the contents of the card *instead* of the internal flash content |
| 21:02:44 | Trevmar | The moment I unlugged the USB cable I got the message "PANIC reading 1 past end 0 of card 1 |
| 21:03:16 | Trevmar | let me try again and see what I get in more detail.. |
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| 21:03:41 | amiconn | Trevmar: Btw, that was on a 0308 unit, correct? |
| 21:04:21 | Trevmar | Amiconn, you are correct, I am looking at the card directory, not the Ondio's internal with my PC |
| 21:04:38 | Trevmar | this is an 07 08 unit with 20050204 |
| 21:04:48 | amiconn | Okay, nice. |
| 21:05:06 | amiconn | Could you please do the same test with a 0308 unit? |
| 21:05:47 | Trevmar | That is interesting |
| 21:07:35 | Trevmar | I have gotten the units mixed up. With the 03 08 unit compiled without MV then I can see the card directory if I plug in the card while the USB is enabled |
| 21:08:02 | Trevmar | on the 07 08 unit with 20050204 I enable USB and then the unit switches off as I plug in the MMC card |
| 21:09:14 | Trevmar | this is consistent with my 07 08 units switching off as the card is plugged in without being in the USB transfer mode as well |
| 21:09:49 | Trevmar | I think a variation of this is what is acusing those other huys to lose their USB maybe? CPU going off into the weeds? |
| 21:10:23 | Trevmar | causing these other guys |
| 21:10:25 | amiconn | Hmmm. For the 0708 problem, if you have a rockbox _without_ hotswap on the unit, and insert a card into the running box (what obviously wouldn't cause it to be detected), does the unit switch off too? |
| 21:10:49 | Trevmar | let me try that |
| 21:12:14 | Trevmar | I am putting the latest CVS without MV or hotswap into the 0708 unit. Then later I will recompile with only hotswap off. one step at a time... |
| 21:14:48 | HCl | cannot open romfile |
| 21:14:48 | HCl | hrm. |
| 21:15:07 | Trevmar | No, the 0708 unit resets when I insert either the MMC or the Sd even with MV and Hotswap disabled |
| 21:16:28 | Trevmar | All ofthese units came with lots of brass shielding soldered into place... |
| 21:16:51 | Trevmar | I took that all out |
| 21:17:05 | Trevmar | no apparent change in performace |
| 21:17:23 | Trevmar | even the radio was just as cruddy reception with and without, IMO |
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| 21:22:35 | Trevmar | I reloaded the latest CVS with MV enabled into the 07 08 unit and it still switches off when you hotplug a card, same as before, but the <MMC1> directory is accessible and music plays OK |
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| 21:25:27 | amiconn | Trevmar: I had to gather your latest statements from the log because of the split... |
| 21:26:14 | amiconn | If your 0708 unit shuts down regardless of rockbox features, I'm pretty sure this unit has got a hardware problem |
| 21:26:42 | amiconn | Somehow the MMC insertion force cuts the power |
| 21:29:37 | lImbus | hö ? what's up with chanserv ? it just asked me to be sure the question was not on faq... |
| 21:30:18 | amiconn | I dunno.... |
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| 21:30:28 | lImbus | ah, i c. netsplit, and the window was not yet scrollen down, so I did not notice tzhe split |
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| 21:31:22 | amiconn | lImbus: As you are obviously here now - I remember you having an Ondio with 0308 mask, and that it is broken, but I don't remember *what* broke. |
| 21:31:26 | lImbus | btw, amiconn: I am there. and now my window is scrolling again |
| 21:31:30 | lImbus | hehe |
| 21:32:05 | amiconn | Could you tell me again? |
| 21:32:17 | lImbus | currently typing :-) |
| 21:32:39 | lImbus | my ondio: it was not yet flashed, so archos firmware should boot it up, then load the ajb-file from "disk". |
| 21:32:43 | lImbus | but it doesn't. |
| 21:32:58 | lImbus | it takes several minutes to boot (if it does not fail quitely) |
| 21:33:05 | lImbus | then is in the archos-menue |
| 21:33:08 | HCl | open("/rom.gb", "rb"); |
| 21:33:13 | HCl | anyone any idea why that would fail? |
| 21:33:21 | HCl | rom.gb exists on my player |
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| 21:33:54 | lImbus | amiconn: (that one menue that can bee seens on joergs screenshot for OndioBacklight |
| 21:34:31 | lImbus | if I try then to do ANYTHING if aborts with several error messages. "not formatted" or "incorrectly formattet" |
| 21:34:38 | HCl | anyone? :/ |
| 21:34:43 | HCl | should it just be "r" ? |
| 21:35:33 | lImbus | HCl: what fails? to compile, or run ? |
| 21:35:37 | amiconn | HCl: The second parameter is flags, *not* a string. |
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| 21:35:40 | HCl | neither |
| 21:35:42 | quelsaruk | hi |
| 21:35:43 | HCl | amiconn: ahhhhhh |
| 21:35:44 | HCl | doh. |
| 21:35:46 | HCl | okay |
| 21:36:01 | HCl | my bad |
| 21:36:08 | HCl | little fopen -> open bug |
| 21:36:11 | amiconn | HCl: I *really* recommend reading exisiting code... |
| 21:36:29 | HCl | sorry o.o |
| 21:36:38 | lImbus | amiconn: if I insert an external mmc-card, it does the same, but tells me to extract the card |
| 21:36:40 | HCl | i don't use the open() stuff much. |
| 21:36:40 | amiconn | lImbus: Did you once try to reformat the internal memory? If yes, maybe you accidentally formatted anything else than FAT16? |
| 21:36:47 | lImbus | no |
| 21:36:50 | lImbus | didn't try |
| 21:36:58 | lImbus | worked until it died one bad day |
| 21:37:12 | lImbus | can't access it with usb neother |
| 21:37:18 | lImbus | s/neother/neither |
| 21:37:37 | amiconn | Hmm, that sounds like the internal flash failed. Too bad it's a bga... |
| 21:37:53 | lImbus | uart-boot |
| 21:37:54 | lImbus | ? |
| 21:38:20 | lImbus | mhmm wait. why would external mmc fail, if it's the internal flash ? |
| 21:38:39 | amiconn | ??? |
| 21:39:24 | lImbus | sometimes I mess it up with the different memory types in archjos devices... |
| 21:39:31 | lImbus | must be a misunderstanding |
| 21:42:19 | Trevmar | amiconn, I am sorry, I was distracted. here is my last message before we got diconnected −−> |
| 21:42:22 | Trevmar | I reloaded the latest CVS with MV enabled into the 07 08 unit and it still switches off when you hotplug a card, same as before, but the <MMC1> directory is accessible and music plays OK |
| 21:43:55 | Trevmar | Amiconn: if the shutdown is a hrdware problem (and I don't necessarily disagree) I have 2 07 08 Ondios with identical hardware problems, then. |
| 21:44:28 | Trevmar | but it has nothing to do with MMC insertion force |
| 21:44:35 | amiconn | That may still be the case. To be sure, you could check with archos firmware |
| 21:44:47 | * | [IDC]Dragon is back from dinner |
| 21:45:58 | Trevmar | Yes, let me delete the ajbrec and see what I get |
| 21:46:01 | [IDC]Dragon | and done with circuit diagrams and truth tables |
| 21:46:40 | lImbus | amiconn: would the ondio have been working (with internal memory) after having formatted it with something else than fat16 ? i gave it once to a mate... |
| 21:46:42 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: I think the reason for the AND vs. OR is different |
| 21:47:08 | [IDC]Dragon | in rockbox, 2 things are changed: |
| 21:47:33 | amiconn | lImbus: If it's not flashed, no. Archos fw can only boot from FAT16 |
| 21:47:34 | Trevmar | Yes, with the archos software the insertion of an MMC card into those units causes them to shut down. |
| 21:47:36 | [IDC]Dragon | 1) the SCk line is idle high or low, depending on the chip |
| 21:48:00 | lImbus | amiconn: ok, then I had never something else than fat16. |
| 21:48:12 | [IDC]Dragon | 2) the clock gate polarity is reversed |
| 21:48:24 | [IDC]Dragon | now comes the interesting: |
| 21:48:30 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Yes, I know. Thats catered for. |
| 21:49:00 | [IDC]Dragon | the clock line from the bridge must also be idle high or idle low |
| 21:49:28 | [IDC]Dragon | with the OR, it must be 0 to allow us to clock the cards |
| 21:49:41 | [IDC]Dragon | with the AND, itmust be 1 |
| 21:49:54 | amiconn | Ah, yes. |
| 21:50:09 | amiconn | Hmm, how is this achieved? |
| 21:50:22 | HCl | it still doesn't work x.x |
| 21:50:36 | HCl | is it possible i'm getting assigned fd 0? |
| 21:50:40 | [IDC]Dragon | we can't control it, so I guess the driving reason for the change was a different bridge behaviour |
| 21:51:00 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 21:51:21 | amiconn | That should be obvious from the datasheets, shouldn't it? |
| 21:51:39 | * | HCl checks the other sources and guesses it is.. |
| 21:51:39 | amiconn | Maybe it was the AU9330->AU9331 transition? |
| 21:53:10 | * | [IDC]Dragon tries to remember |
| 21:54:52 | amiconn | lImbus: I remember having read on the archos site that earlier Ondio fw versions could even get stuck when the internal flash is not formatted with FAT16. |
| 21:55:28 | amiconn | The only chance to revive such a unit would be to uart-boot it, and flash a newer firmware (or preferably rockbox ;-) ) |
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| 21:56:21 | amiconn | lImbus: What archos fw version does this Ondio have? |
| 21:56:51 | lImbus | uh. |
| 21:56:54 | lImbus | dunno by hard |
| 21:57:05 | lImbus | have to look when I'm at home |
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| 21:57:42 | amiconn | Since this is an older hw version, chances are that fw version is rather old too... |
| 21:57:53 | lImbus | of course |
| 21:58:12 | amiconn | Maybe it can be revived with uart boot. |
| 21:58:43 | [IDC]Dragon | I was offering that |
| 21:58:46 | lImbus | it's planned that I send it to jörg anyways. |
| 21:59:00 | lImbus | as soon as I got it back from my co-worker |
| 21:59:30 | lImbus | if uart-boot and flash works-> nice, if not I donate the dead device. at least you can beep the tracks |
| 21:59:55 | HCl | hrmf. |
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| 22:00:08 | HCl | watashi wa baka desu yo. |
| 22:00:16 | amiconn | HCl: Yes, you can get assigned fd 0 |
| 22:00:25 | lImbus | lol |
| 22:01:57 | HCl | amiconn: ok |
| 22:02:12 | * | HCl scratches his head, at least got a little further |
| 22:03:03 | HCl | i hope linus manages usb soon.. its annoying to having to keep switching back and forth between original and rockbox firmware |
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| 22:03:44 | lImbus | hi cristi |
| 22:04:05 | lImbus | oops :-/ |
| 22:04:11 | [IDC]Dragon | wrong direction |
| 22:04:34 | lImbus | I'm sure she's reading the logs :-) |
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| 22:06:56 | HCl | welp. thats somewhat what i expected.... |
| 22:06:59 | amiconn | HCl: You get the first unused fd. If no other file is open, this is 0. Error is indicated by <0 |
| 22:07:02 | HCl | yea |
| 22:07:12 | HCl | its videodriver isn't updating.. |
| 22:07:44 | HCl | at least it shuts down semi-properly |
| 22:09:32 | HCl | which means its input driver is working |
| 22:10:04 | HCl | and the code is running in general |
| 22:12:31 | HCl | it might just be extremely slow |
| 22:12:37 | amiconn | lImbus: http://www.archos.com/download/firmware/README_ONDIO_FM_history.txt Read the notes regarding v 1.31f ... |
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| 22:13:59 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: could the order of things on idle level and clock select be important? |
| 22:14:18 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe we produce a spike for the OR models |
| 22:14:32 | jpburton5150 | hey... so, im trying to compile rockbox... but i get "Error: unrecognized arcgitecture specification |
| 22:14:38 | jpburton5150 | '5249' |
| 22:14:53 | jpburton5150 | which HCl, i read you had... |
| 22:15:03 | jpburton5150 | so, how did you fix it? |
| 22:15:13 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Yes of course, that's what I suspect.However, it is very difficult to test without such a unit. |
| 22:15:24 | HCl | jpburton5150: cvs binutils |
| 22:15:32 | [IDC]Dragon | try to think... |
| 22:15:39 | jpburton5150 | k thanks a lot, ill try that |
| 22:15:44 | amiconn | OR means idle low, and low isn't idle for MMC SPI protocol... |
| 22:16:47 | lImbus | amiconn: I really can't recall the version. |
| 22:17:15 | amiconn | You'll have to look what the screen shows at startup |
| 22:17:57 | lImbus | silly) co-worker |
| 22:18:04 | lImbus | argl. |
| 22:18:16 | lImbus | that cgi::irc is buggy |
| 22:18:45 | lImbus | I meant: yes, as soon as I get back my ondio from that BRACKET-OPEN silly BRACKET-CLOSE co-worker |
| 22:19:33 | amiconn | Trevmar: Btw, what version do your 0308 Ondios show at startup? If it's lower than 1.31f, you should consider either updating archos fw in flash, or flashing rockbox.... |
| 22:19:55 | amiconn | ...if it's not yet flashed of course |
| 22:21:25 | Trevmar | Rockbox is flashed |
| 22:22:05 | Trevmar | left-button boot shows 1.32b |
| 22:23:01 | amiconn | Yes, that's expected then. The archos image in the flash packages is the latest (flash) version. |
| 22:24:29 | amiconn | Ah, I just remember that you uart-booted and flashed a number of Ondios. |
| 22:24:41 | amiconn | Were these 0308 units among them? |
| 22:24:50 | HCl | will lcd_putsxy print to the right of the x,y you feed it or to the left? |
| 22:25:10 | amiconn | HCl: Right & bottom |
| 22:25:23 | HCl | okay, and the top left pixel is 0,0, right? |
| 22:25:32 | amiconn | yup |
| 22:25:38 | HCl | okay.. |
| 22:26:52 | Trevmar | Yes, these 03 08 units were flashed, after chnaing the mask at FC and FD in the binary image :) |
| 22:27:16 | amiconn | What was the problem with them before? |
| 22:27:18 | Trevmar | chnaing=changing sheez... |
| 22:27:28 | amiconn | Did they get stuck at the archos boot screen? |
| 22:28:51 | Trevmar | most of them had no life. Looked like they had been badly flashed by their previous owners, I guess. One of the 03 08 units was fully operational until I flashed Rockbix, and it took me several days to figure out that the guy hadn't sold me a lemon, that it was actually rockbox at fault :( |
| 22:29:42 | amiconn | Okay, thanks. |
| 22:31:06 | Trevmar | no screen mainly, as I remember. I have one still on the workbench which I can't get at the main memory to make that visible to a PC over USB. I can display the ocntents of an inserted MMc with ajbrec on it. Remember that one? I keep figuring that when we get these probelsm understood that it will magically come to life again. Or that somebody wil write "low_level_format.rock" for me :) |
| 22:32:31 | Trevmar | because it will access and exceute off the MMC OK, only the main memory is dead in some way. It says "no partitions found, please insert USB and fix it" but the PC sees nothing across the USB |
| 22:33:08 | amiconn | You could try flashing archos firmware (via uart). That should definitely work if it's not a hardware problem |
| 22:33:15 | Trevmar | If I boot with an MMC card in place it takes that as the main partition. I described the screens in a thread on the forum |
| 22:34:56 | Trevmar | When I left-boot that one it comes up with the "Ondio FM" screen but never drops through to that 4-way selecetor display of Archos |
| 22:37:44 | Trevmar | with Archos software I dont get to that 4-way selector even when I boot with an MMC card in place. With Rockbox it sees the MMC card |
| 22:37:58 | Trevmar | but still no USB with rockbox |
| 22:38:19 | amiconn | Well, you should be able to access the MMC via USB |
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| 22:38:59 | amiconn | So to come back to the 0380 vs. MV+hotswap problem, I ask again if you could do the tests I proposed 2 hours ago. |
| 22:39:07 | amiconn | *0308 |
| 22:39:58 | amiconn | First, put on a build without MV+hotswap, go to Info->Debug->View MMC info, and check all 4 screens both with & without MMC inserted |
| 22:40:35 | HCl | well...... that goes... slow..... :X |
| 22:42:21 | Trevmar | Amiconn, I tried your trick of plugging in the card after USB is active. It didn't switch off this one (which is 07 08) but Win2K prompts me to "insert a disk in drive h:" repeatedly |
| 22:42:55 | Trevmar | amicon, let me read those screens for you |
| 22:43:26 | amiconn | It's not a trick... it's the required way of handling MMC in USB, even with archos firmware |
| 22:44:41 | Trevmar | without MMC: MMC0 p1 STM128 rev 6.6 prod:2/2006 M=02 O=0000 size 122MB |
| 22:45:41 | Trevmar | MMC0 p2: speed 20 Mbit/s Tsac 10ms Nsac 0clk R2W *4 IR max 35..35ma IW 35..45ms |
| 22:47:37 | Trevmar | MMC1 p1 not found and MMC1 p2 not found. OK lets' plug in the 1 gig MMC |
| 22:48:34 | amiconn | MMC0 p1: It really display 02/2006? Then you have a chip from the future.... |
| 22:48:55 | Trevmar | MMC1 p1 and p2 not found. Let's reboot with the card in place |
| 22:49:41 | Trevmar | oops - displays PANIC (maybe cos there is an ajbrec on the card, let me fix that) |
| 22:50:07 | amiconn | quelsaruk: Do you have some goats to spare? ;-) |
| 22:51:12 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Do you have the schematics in an accessible place? |
| 22:51:26 | Trevmar | 8I keep getting panics. Let me triple check the build I have in there :) |
| 22:51:39 | quelsaruk | hmmm |
| 22:51:41 | quelsaruk | let me check |
| 22:51:45 | quelsaruk | i have some here |
| 22:51:48 | quelsaruk | how many do you want? |
| 22:51:50 | quelsaruk | ;) |
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| 22:52:39 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: no, I hand-doodled them |
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| 22:53:32 | crash__ | can someone ell me if the iriver port already runs on the h100 ? linus recently told me it only runs on h120 and h140 |
| 22:53:54 | Bagder | no h100 user has tried it |
| 22:54:06 | Bagder | there may be reasons why it won't |
| 22:54:15 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Hmm. I try to understand if there would be a glitch, this would only affect MV-enabled rockbox. The clock select function did not change at all... |
| 22:54:16 | Bagder | like the lesser amount of ram |
| 22:54:47 | crash__ | Bagder: linus told me that there are also different chips or layout on it |
| 22:55:09 | Bagder | crash__: you can't flash the 120/140 iRiver firmware to a 100, can you? |
| 22:55:10 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: but it's selected at rockbox time, not while USB |
| 22:55:46 | amiconn | It's also selected without MV... and that's done immediately before the first access.... |
| 22:56:04 | crash__ | unfortunatly i havent a h100 myself |
| 22:56:15 | crash__ | and would like to assure it can be done |
| 22:56:15 | Trevmar | MMC1 p1: MMC01G rev 0.0 Prod 12/2004 M=37 O=ffff Size 979MB |
| 22:56:21 | HCl | h100... |
| 22:56:26 | crash__ | so there are no hardware issues why it shouldn runt |
| 22:56:26 | HCl | what kind of disk does that have? |
| 22:56:29 | Bagder | crash__: it is not sure it can be done yet |
| 22:56:45 | Bagder | we're trying to get our hands on a h100 |
| 22:56:53 | crash__ | Bagder: i ask cause linus seemd to be quite sure it wont |
| 22:56:59 | crash__ | ah |
| 22:57:12 | crash__ | i only could tell you someone who has it |
| 22:57:18 | amiconn | Trevmar: MMC0 p1/p2 still displaying correctly? |
| 22:57:30 | HCl | does the iriver simulator miss the mode button? |
| 22:57:42 | crash__ | but we wouldnt have the hardware to get it back to life if it fails ;) |
| 22:57:50 | Trevmar | MMC1 p2 speed 20Mbit/sTsac 80ms Nsac 0clk R2W *32 IRmax 60..80ma IWmax 60..80ma |
| 22:58:52 | Trevmar | MMC0 still the same, just MMC1 added |
| 22:59:41 | Bagder | HCl: what sim? the x11 one? |
| 22:59:45 | HCl | yen |
| 22:59:45 | HCl | yes |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:23 | Bagder | or rather *which* sim |
| 23:00:37 | HCl | iriver x11 |
| 23:01:41 | Bagder | try the insert button |
| 23:01:50 | HCl | okay |
| 23:02:05 | Bagder | I usually read button-x11.c to figure out the keys |
| 23:02:06 | HCl | ah. |
| 23:02:10 | HCl | ok |
| 23:02:22 | Bagder | we should write a wiki about it |
| 23:02:45 | HCl | well, it prints keys when it starts |
| 23:02:47 | HCl | but obviously |
| 23:02:49 | HCl | they're not correct |
| 23:02:56 | amiconn | Bagder: That's why the Win32 sim bg pic is useful: It shows the button assigments... |
| 23:03:10 | amiconn | ...and will soon be even clickable, I hope |
| 23:04:32 | * | HCl stares at his iriver and has a really memexpensive counter program at the moment :X |
| 23:04:42 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I just had an idea. Maybe on these old units, the MMC presence detection switch reacts earlier, when the card is not yet fully inserted? |
| 23:05:15 | [IDC]Dragon | dunno, perhaps |
| 23:06:03 | [IDC]Dragon | but the idea is (while pulling out) to have the switch trigger before the contacts go loose |
| 23:06:12 | amiconn | Trevmar: Do you currently have a not MV and hotswap enabled .ajz on the internal? |
| 23:06:49 | Trevmar | I couldn't compile that version because of unsatisfied dependencies |
| 23:07:03 | HCl | igh, the simulator isn't building the gnuboy sourcetree for some reason.. |
| 23:07:03 | amiconn | No I mean both features disabled |
| 23:07:36 | Trevmar | yes |
| 23:07:38 | amiconn | If so, please do the following test: (1) Insert the card, while the Ondio is switched off. (2) Switch it on while holding LEFT, thereby starting archos firmware and having it loading rockbox from the internal |
| 23:07:58 | amiconn | Does the access to the card work then? |
| 23:08:00 | HCl | does the sim build have a different makefile or what? :/ |
| 23:08:11 | Bagder | HCl: yes |
| 23:08:30 | HCl | Bagder: where? for the plugins? |
| 23:08:45 | Bagder | we changed the build process a while back and we haven't yet made the sim builds follow that style |
| 23:08:52 | HCl | mhm.. |
| 23:09:07 | Trevmar | Please calrify what access: "Does the access to the card work then?" |
| 23:09:12 | Trevmar | clarify |
| 23:09:34 | amiconn | I mean, if booted that way, do you get the card's contents displayed within rockbox? |
| 23:09:55 | Trevmar | yes, but that works with the flashed version too, as long as I diable MV and Hotplug |
| 23:10:11 | amiconn | Yes of course. |
| 23:10:23 | amiconn | Booting that way is still different, |
| 23:10:45 | amiconn | because the archos fw in flash does *always* boot from the internal flash. |
| 23:11:30 | amiconn | That means, the internal is selected when rockbox kicks in, and rockbox properly manages to switch selection to the external. |
| 23:11:38 | Trevmar | right, but I noticed no difference between the flash boot and coming up via archos over the last few days of testing |
| 23:12:00 | HCl | Bagder: so where can i find the makefile that controls the build of the plugins for the simulator? |
| 23:12:04 | Trevmar | I tried the archos left arrow boot on just about every software build I did |
| 23:13:05 | Bagder | HCl: uisimulator/x11/Makefile builds all plugins in the plugin dir |
| 23:13:26 | HCl | ok |
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| 23:13:44 | amiconn | Trevmar: Hmm, I'm a bit confused. Do you also get the panic with multivolume if the card is already inserted at boot? |
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| 23:14:43 | preglow | wassyp |
| 23:14:50 | * | HCl needs to read up on make files :/ |
| 23:14:54 | HCl | well. |
| 23:14:57 | HCl | gnuboy runs. |
| 23:14:58 | HCl | but |
| 23:15:01 | Trevmar | that's when I get the panic, with the 07 08 units with MMC card at boot. The latest daily builds of the 03 08 dont show me any card, if I recall correctly |
| 23:15:03 | preglow | yes, i saw |
| 23:15:08 | HCl | ok :/ |
| 23:15:17 | preglow | read the logs |
| 23:15:19 | HCl | *nods* |
| 23:15:22 | preglow | but that's not bad by itself |
| 23:15:29 | ripnetUK | gnuboy RUNS? |
| 23:15:30 | preglow | and i see linus has done some speed improvements |
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| 23:15:54 | preglow | enabling the instruction cache is pretty clever |
| 23:16:22 | HCl | ripnetUK: pretty much? |
| 23:16:27 | HCl | anyways |
| 23:16:31 | HCl | i hadn't finished my but |
| 23:16:31 | ripnetUK | nice work |
| 23:16:48 | ripnetUK | it would be funny to get a gb emu before mp3 playback :) |
| 23:16:51 | HCl | the but is that either my routine to use the lcd buffer messed up |
| 23:16:57 | HCl | or its just toooooooo slow |
| 23:17:02 | HCl | which i wouldn't be suprised of |
| 23:17:04 | HCl | since at the moment |
| 23:17:05 | preglow | HCl: does it manage to draw anything? |
| 23:17:18 | HCl | its doing about 2-3 seconds for a single emulation loop cycle |
| 23:17:23 | ripnetUK | lol |
| 23:17:27 | preglow | well, it IS slow at the moment |
| 23:17:31 | HCl | so yea. |
| 23:17:32 | preglow | is this with linus latest updates, btw? |
| 23:17:36 | HCl | hm? |
| 23:17:41 | HCl | i haven't really checked out today |
| 23:17:42 | HCl | i think |
| 23:17:47 | preglow | instruction cache enable, lcd wait state removal |
| 23:17:51 | HCl | no. |
| 23:17:54 | HCl | let me update |
| 23:17:56 | preglow | then hell, do so |
| 23:18:32 | Bagder | and moving the frame buf to iram |
| 23:18:58 | HCl | Bagder: i'm not having a framebuffer in gnuboy at the moment |
| 23:19:11 | Bagder | ok |
| 23:19:12 | HCl | i wrote a function thats mapping them onto the lcd_framebuffer |
| 23:19:16 | HCl | or at least, it should. |
| 23:19:27 | HCl | i'm still not sure about the palette stuff. |
| 23:19:32 | Bagder | lcd_framebuffer is the framebuffer |
| 23:20:09 | Bagder | don't you use lcd_update() ? |
| 23:21:16 | preglow | well, he wouldn't have gotten anything at all if he didn't use that, or? |
| 23:21:34 | hubble | btw, anyone else looking at i2c and i2s interfaces for audio codec? |
| 23:21:34 | HCl | i use the lcd_updaterect |
| 23:21:39 | HCl | since i thought it'd be more efficient |
| 23:21:44 | Bagder | it is |
| 23:21:45 | HCl | i can revert to lcd_update |
| 23:21:50 | Bagder | but that uses the frame buffer |
| 23:21:58 | Bagder | and moving the frame buffer to iram boosts performance |
| 23:21:59 | HCl | i can paste you the function i wrote.. and explain.. |
| 23:22:00 | ashridah | HCl: uh. isn't the iriver currently runnign at the lowest clock rate in rockbox atm? |
| 23:22:04 | HCl | ashridah: yup :P |
| 23:22:15 | preglow | hubble: linus, perhaps |
| 23:22:31 | preglow | hubble: which of them is the dac part connected with? |
| 23:22:44 | hubble | preglow: i2c for control, i2s for audio data (PCM) |
| 23:22:46 | * | amiconn is rather confused now :-( |
| 23:23:02 | Trevmar | amiconn: sorry |
| 23:23:05 | preglow | hubble: ahhh, that explains it, i wondered how they could transfer audio data fast enough through i2c, heh |
| 23:23:44 | hubble | preglow: yes, i was wondering too because the UDA1380 manual almost only talked about i2c and it is max 400 kbps |
| 23:24:43 | amiconn | card inserted/removed, 0308/0708, panic, card invisible, MV, hotswap... |
| 23:24:45 | preglow | yes, exactly |
| 23:24:50 | preglow | hubble: that's what made me wonder as well |
| 23:24:55 | hubble | preglow: anyways, i'm reading about how to program these interfaces from the coldfire =) pretty interesting |
| 23:25:08 | preglow | hubble: i looked at that yesterday myself, but i won't have time to code anything |
| 23:25:44 | hubble | preglow: ok.. i've been compiling notes.. probably should do a wiki writeup |
| 23:26:35 | preglow | hubble: that would be great |
| 23:26:55 | preglow | but yes, does the coldfire have i2s support? |
| 23:27:08 | quelsaruk | rebooting |
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| 23:27:29 | hubble | preglow: sure, two of them |
| 23:28:37 | preglow | great, 'cause i looked for that in the coldfire manual yesterday, and somehow couldn't find anything on that |
| 23:28:40 | preglow | heh |
| 23:28:48 | preglow | but i could swear i'd read it somewhere |
| 23:28:50 | hubble | preglow: hm.. actually 4 i2s interfaces |
| 23:28:56 | preglow | damn, not bad |
| 23:29:03 | preglow | audio from adc is i2s as well, i presume? |
| 23:29:08 | hubble | preglow: they are called Philips IIS (Sony AIAJ) |
| 23:29:25 | hubble | preglow: yes |
| 23:29:29 | preglow | ahhh |
| 23:29:31 | preglow | i saw that |
| 23:30:55 | hubble | another interesting thing is that the coldfire have like 3 S/PDIF interfaces (2 in, 1 out) |
| 23:31:11 | preglow | yes, that comes in handy for the optical ports |
| 23:31:53 | HCl | spdif can do 5.1.. right? |
| 23:31:55 | hubble | not sure if they are connected to the external port.. it could also be the audio codec.. |
| 23:32:26 | hubble | I think someone said that the external ports connected to the codec which only handles 2 channels |
| 23:32:34 | hubble | so no 5.1 :( |
| 23:32:43 | HCl | :/ |
| 23:33:04 | hubble | that would be cool HW mod to get 5.1 output =) |
| 23:33:24 | Bagder | would go nice with the video plugin ;-) |
| 23:33:30 | HCl | heh |
| 23:33:54 | * | HCl refueled himself with some food. |
| 23:33:55 | preglow | hubble: you think the spdif ports are connected to the codec? |
| 23:34:06 | preglow | hubble: that doesn't make much sense if you've got on-chip support for it |
| 23:34:21 | hubble | preglow: dont know, cant tell looking at the board scans |
| 23:34:27 | hubble | preglow: they are connected somewhere |
| 23:34:35 | preglow | no, i couldn't find out either |
| 23:34:35 | HCl | i thought linus said two channel only |
| 23:34:51 | hubble | preglow: hm.. no.. havn't actually checked spdif pins |
| 23:34:56 | preglow | two channel only is no problem if the spdif ports are connected directly to the cpu |
| 23:35:13 | preglow | we can even do ac-3 passthrough :P |
| 23:37:27 | * | amiconn stares at the mmc code |
| 23:38:17 | bagawk | amiconn, blink once in awhile :) |
| 23:38:18 | * | [IDC]Dragon has drawn a nicer diagram |
| 23:39:06 | XShocK | so, if I now use doubles and floats in rockbox, gcc will emulate them? |
| 23:39:15 | Bagder | XShocK: yes |
| 23:39:32 | Bagder | and they are slow |
| 23:39:45 | Bagder | and we have no sprintf() for them |
| 23:39:54 | XShocK | ok |
| 23:39:57 | preglow | XShocK: never use floating point in rockbox |
| 23:40:04 | preglow | XShocK: read up on fixed point math and start again |
| 23:40:19 | amiconn | I don't get wth a single select at startup works, but more frequent selects while running don't. At least not why the **** this only happens on some units... |
| 23:40:42 | ashridah | XShocK: you have to emulate them by hand, building them into integers of various lengths |
| 23:40:49 | XShocK | i haven't done anything in floating-points yet. :) I always ask before doing. :) |
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| 23:41:23 | Bagder | wise move ;-) |
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| 23:41:52 | quelsaruk | re |
| 23:41:55 | HCl | hm. |
| 23:42:05 | HCl | is it common for .rock plugins to get smaller for the simulator? |
| 23:42:26 | ashridah | XShocK: take a look at: http://www.bookofhook.com/Article/GameDevelopment/AnIntroductiontoFixedPoin.html |
| 23:42:36 | ashridah | that'll give you enough knowledge to at least find detailed stuff |
| 23:42:53 | [IDC]Dragon | http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/OndioClockGate.jpg |
| 23:43:07 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: see above |
| 23:43:22 | HCl | woot. segmentation fault. |
| 23:43:32 | HCl | the simulator kind of crashes roughly on rockboy |
| 23:43:40 | XShocK | thanks |
| 23:44:23 | hubble | preglow: wierd.. looking at EBUOUT2 (spdif #2) which is pin P9, looks like it goes to the DRAM.. EBUOUT2 is also GPIO37 so it can be used for anything |
| 23:44:34 | Trevmar | Joerg - you call that nicer -LOL (just kidding - its excellent) |
| 23:45:06 | Bagder | HCl: that's usually a good indication of badness in the code ;-) |
| 23:45:25 | Bagder | it'll be a lot harder to track down when it crashes on target |
| 23:45:36 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Your idea about the changed bridge behaviour coincides with the changed polarity of the bridge activity indication. I really think those old units use AU9330 instead of AU9331 |
| 23:46:33 | Trevmar | Is that a CPU code or something I can look for on them? |
| 23:46:47 | amiconn | That's the USB-MMC bridge |
| 23:47:02 | amiconn | AU9330 is older, and iirc handles MMC only. |
| 23:47:06 | HCl | Bagder: i'm sort of getting the feeling its its static buffer |
| 23:47:07 | HCl | s |
| 23:47:26 | amiconn | AU9331 is newer, and handles both MMC and SD (if you manage to fit an SD card) |
| 23:47:35 | Bagder | HCl: gdb is your friend now ;-) |
| 23:47:41 | * | HCl sighs. |
| 23:47:43 | HCl | ok ok. |
| 23:47:45 | Trevmar | my scrapped board says AU9331 |
| 23:47:56 | amiconn | Is that a 0308 unit? |
| 23:48:00 | Trevmar | cant see the others easily. DO you want me to look |
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| 23:48:35 | Trevmar | no, that is one ofthe 07 08. Let me open up an 03 08 |
| 23:48:44 | amiconn | I'd expect 0708 having AU9331, 0308 having AU9330 |
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| 23:49:16 | HCl | why the hell does it crash on this ? o.o... |
| 23:49:24 | HCl | plugin_start (api=0x8072400, parameter=0x0) |
| 23:49:24 | HCl | at /home/hcl/rockbox/rockbox-devel/apps/plugins/rockboy.c:77 |
| 23:49:24 | HCl | 77 shutdown=0; |
| 23:49:29 | HCl | shutdown is a variable o.o; |
| 23:49:36 | HCl | do all global variables need to be static? |
| 23:49:40 | lImbus_ | mhmm. cgi::irc only /part's me. instead of /quit when closing :-/# |
| 23:49:54 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: another thing I noticed while drawing the circuit: |
| 23:49:55 | Trevmar | It says 9330D4 |
| 23:50:21 | Trevmar | 9330D04-UXL |
| 23:50:23 | [IDC]Dragon | in essence, the clocks are ORed together |
| 23:50:33 | amiconn | Trevmar: As expected....really interesting! |
| 23:50:37 | [IDC]Dragon | but the internal MMC can be "muted" |
| 23:50:56 | [IDC]Dragon | the external doesn't need disabling, it is just absent |
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| 23:51:15 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Yes, that's quite obvious from your schematics |
| 23:51:25 | * | HCl sighs. |
| 23:51:53 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: The AU9330/AU9331 should be added to the wiki, along with the datasheet for the 9330 |
| 23:52:05 | HCl | for anyone who wants to try/play/look; there's a zip on my ftp with the rockboy source.. ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/ |
| 23:52:07 | Trevmar | but it works fine with my Kingston SD cards and the Kingmax MMC |
| 23:52:27 | [IDC]Dragon | do we have the datasheet? |
| 23:52:30 | preglow | battery.dummy? |
| 23:52:44 | amiconn | Okay, so I remembered wrong, and the 9330 also supports SD |
| 23:53:02 | Trevmar | Joerg and amiconn - sorry that chip is even a different package - i should have noticed :( |
| 23:53:55 | preglow | hah |
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| 23:54:03 | preglow | rockbox on iriver is a hell of a lot more responsive now |
| 23:54:13 | Bagder | neat |
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| 23:54:21 | preglow | orders of magnitude better |
| 23:54:40 | preglow | if this can be done with just instruction cache and no lcd wait states, clocking correctly should work wonders |
| 23:55:01 | preglow | but yes, enabling the instruction was probably very decisive |
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| 23:55:38 | amiconn | Trevmar: 44-pin LQFP vs. 28-pin SSOP |
| 23:56:10 | bagawk | if Compact Flash is using an IDE interface... |
| 23:56:39 | bagawk | THen thereticly, you could make a cf-ide cable and hook a hd into a cf slot right? |
| 23:56:50 | bagawk | (IKNow know it works vice-versa) |
| 23:57:24 | Trevmar | Joerg, I just opened up the unit with the dead USb - and it is a 9331 |
| 23:57:46 | quelsaruk | Bagder: 2 quick things, first of all... is the firmware smaller than the one 1 week earlier? at least i just built one 1KB smaller, and second thing, the initial "resume question" use default font instead of custom one, can that be changed? |
| 23:57:56 | * | HCl goes to build the new rockbox... |
| 23:58:34 | Bagder | quelsaruk: it could be smaller, I don't know. No, I believe it hasn't loaded the custom font at that point |
| 23:58:46 | quelsaruk | ok |
| 23:58:47 | quelsaruk | thanks |
| 23:58:48 | quelsaruk | :) |
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