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00:00:12	bagawk	lImbus, so you could say place a extra HD into the CF slot of your gmini (or whatever)?
00:00:31	bagawk	(with a mod of course)
00:00:33	lImbus	if only the power of the cf-slot is sufficient.
00:01:34	lImbus	I installed several times operating systems on cf-cards simply wired to an ide-channel. it's just that the master/slave-setting is done outside of the cf-housing
00:01:42	lImbus	so it's kind of cabling
00:02:29	bagawk	Wonder what the power constaints are for CF
00:02:45	bagawk	The hd needs .5A at 5v i think
00:03:07	lImbus	shouldn't that be specidfied somewhere ?
00:03:15	lImbus	any hdd needs 12 and 5v, i'm afraid
00:03:28	bagawk	Not a notebook HD
00:03:32	lImbus	but I think both (5 and 12v+) are routed to the cf-connector
00:04:08	lImbus	umm. why do notebook-hdd-connectors then have 44 pins ? (cf also has 44 pins)
00:04:27	lImbus	40 ide + 0V + 5V would then be 42 pins
00:04:36	HCl	preglow: it should work, i think.
00:04:39	bagawk	A Type I CompactFlash™ card can only draw 70mA @ 3.3V. A CF+ Type II card can draw up to 500mA.
00:04:49	HCl	preglow: either i messed up writing the display routine, or its too slow.
00:04:56	bagawk	lImbus, no idea
00:05:02		Quit jyp ("poof!")
00:05:11	preglow	HCl: well, putting a new rockbox on it should let you see if it's too slow
00:05:20	lImbus	should be measurable with an ampere meter.
00:05:24	HCl	preglow: doing that
00:05:52	bagawk	Hummm
00:05:53	bagawk	Dual 3.3V & 5V Operation – CF and CompactFlash cards support both 3.3V and 5V operation and can be interchanged between 3.3V and 5V systems. This means that any CF card can operate at either voltage. Other small form factor flash cards may be available to operate at 3.3V or 5V, but any single card can operate at only one of the voltages
00:06:06	bagawk	So now about the 500mA part...
00:06:15	amiconn	lImbus: 2.5" hds don't need 12 V
00:06:21	amiconn	Only 3.5" hds do
00:06:26	lImbus	aha aha
00:06:47	lImbus	so there are 2 pins left free on a laptop-hd-interface and on cf-cards
00:06:59	HCl	i might just as well have messed up on the sleep function
00:07:15	bagawk	lImbus, I think that is for the dual voltage?
00:07:16	HCl	come to think of it, i should implement my own usleep() using current tick
00:07:20	lImbus	or either they doubled the 5v and 0v pins to have bigger cross section
00:07:29	HCl	oh
00:07:31	HCl	thats much faster
00:07:32	HCl	still slow
00:07:32	lImbus	uh, yes, of course
00:07:34	HCl	but much faster
00:07:42	HCl	doing a cycle per second or so now
00:07:46	lImbus	the 2 pins left are 3,3 v
00:07:57	preglow	HCl: how do you see this? is it displaying anything?
00:08:07	HCl	preglow: i added a cycle counter to the top left
00:08:22	preglow	HCl: let me know the second you get visual, i'd like to try it
00:08:27	HCl	sure
00:08:31	preglow	hell, i'd like to try it now, if it's just copying over plugin
00:08:35	HCl	lol.
00:08:35	HCl	well
00:08:36	HCl	yea
00:08:38	HCl	pretty much
00:08:41	HCl	on my ftp
00:08:43	HCl	rockbox.zip
00:08:46	preglow	then put it somewhere :P
00:08:47	bagawk	It sounds like it might work with no power changes
00:08:48	preglow	what's the address?
00:08:54	HCl	ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/
00:08:58	bagawk	Now to figure out the whrer the pins go
00:09:08	lImbus	I can beep that
00:09:12	HCl	i'm gonna change my usleep routine now so it'll be much, much, much more accurate
00:09:25	HCl	at least
00:09:25	HCl	i hope
00:09:26	HCl	o.o
00:09:31	lImbus	I could put that adapter on the scanner tomorrow morning if you are highly intrested
00:09:37	linuxstb	HCl: Can you just remove the sleep - to see what full speed is like?
00:09:42	HCl	linuxstb: sure.
00:09:59	preglow	ahahaha
00:10:02	HCl	i don't know whether it'll even help, its supposed to only use it when its going too fast
00:10:03	preglow	thats a BIG plygin
00:10:08	HCl	:P
00:10:19	HCl	preglow: it reads /rom.gb
00:10:23	preglow	damn, have you stripped the debug info or is it really that big?
00:10:35	Sucka	going well HCl? :)
00:10:49	HCl	preglow: its really that big.
00:10:55	HCl	preglow: i allocated 4mb for the rom buffer
00:11:05	HCl	since its static, most of that size is static buffers, reall
00:11:05	HCl	y
00:11:17	HCl	it compresses really well because of that
00:11:41	HCl	Sucka: i'm not sure.
00:11:44	HCl	i think so.
00:12:22	Sucka	good luck
00:13:43	preglow	it doesn't show up :/
00:13:50	HCl	hm?
00:13:52	preglow	is this compile from before you updated cvs?
00:13:56	HCl	did you update your rockbox.iriver?
00:14:05	preglow	i just copied your plugin
00:14:08	preglow	the rest is mine
00:14:09	HCl	that won't work
00:14:13	HCl	you need rockbox.iriver too
00:14:15	preglow	why?
00:14:22	HCl	small changes in plugin api, more memory space for plugins
00:14:25	preglow	ahh
00:14:59	HCl	like, get the .zip
00:15:01	HCl	thats the last build i did
00:15:50	preglow	i did
00:15:53	HCl	k
00:16:04	HCl	use the rockbox.iriver from in there..
00:16:07	preglow	did
00:16:09	HCl	i'm gonna alter the sleep thing now
00:16:34		Quit mecraw ()
00:17:17	lImbus	time for home and bed. good night #rockbox
00:17:24	preglow	nite
00:17:47		Quit lImbus ("hey, I just told you I would go home")
00:18:04	HCl	hmm.
00:18:14	*	HCl finds a bug in his sleep thing..
00:18:16		Join lImbus [0] (~manuel@kernel.cycos.net)
00:18:24	*	HCl eliminates the sleep all together
00:18:25	lImbus	h� ?
00:18:29	XShocK	on "loading rom.gb" it gives out the error.
00:18:30		Quit lImbus (Client Quit)
00:18:49	HCl	yes
00:18:55	HCl	you need a gameboy rom
00:19:01	HCl	in your root
00:19:08	HCl	named rom.gb
00:19:32	XShocK	ok
00:20:05	linuxstb	HCl: I've installed your stopwatch :-)
00:20:24	preglow	HCl: hah, that's a pretty slow emu :P
00:20:32	preglow	HCl: it's like 1 cycle per second
00:20:53		Quit Sucka ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )")
00:20:57	linuxstb	So it's counting CPU cycles?
00:21:09	preglow	nono, i surely hope this isn't cpu cycles
00:21:23	HCl	linuxstb: :P
00:21:40	HCl	i'm not sure, i think it does a number of cycles, haven't really looked at that
00:22:31	preglow	HCl: but it bloody runs, that great in itself
00:23:15	rasher	HCl: You are quite positively insane
00:23:19	HCl	gnuboy was more written with the thought of portability than the thought of speed
00:23:23	HCl	rasher: why :/
00:23:29	linuxstb	Agreed. Only video, sound and a little speed improvement to go...
00:23:33	rasher	Because you did this :)
00:23:35	HCl	:P
00:23:54	HCl	well. it doesn't really do much yet aside from count :X
00:23:58	HCl	i put the source up
00:24:07	preglow	pft, behind the scenes it does loads more!
00:24:09	HCl	if anyone can be bothered to look at the refresh routine
00:24:11	HCl	true
00:24:31	HCl	anyways, if anyone can bother to look at the refresh 8bit framebuffer -> rockbox framebuffer routine
00:24:34	HCl	to see whether its okay..
00:24:36	HCl	it'd be nice :X
00:25:00	HCl	the code is a bit irritating since it has 0 documentation
00:25:28	HCl	i guess i can activate debug mode, and write the instructions its parsing to a txt file
00:25:38	HCl	but i got a headache and blah, i call it a day o.o
00:26:05	preglow	what file is it in?
00:26:11	linuxstb	HCl: I'll have a quick look. Is the source in that 11MB zip file?
00:26:12	HCl	refresh.c
00:26:19	HCl	linuxstb: yea, thats my entire rockbox cvs checkout
00:26:28	HCl	including all the patches it needs for rockboy
00:26:38	HCl	which is mainly in the makefile and the plugin memory size
00:26:47		Join AC [0] (~5078751e@labb.contactor.se)
00:26:54		Quit Zagor ("Client exiting")
00:26:57	AC	hi
00:27:46	AC	where does Linus live
00:28:09	Bagder	in Sweden
00:28:53	AC	oh
00:28:59	HCl	apparently
00:29:20	HCl	it does roughly 2000 cpu cycles
00:29:21	linuxstb	HCl: Have you just let rockboy run for a few minutes - maybe it takes a while for anything to be displayed.
00:29:22	HCl	per emu cycle
00:29:28	HCl	according to the source
00:29:30	HCl	so i dunno
00:29:32	preglow	well
00:29:36	preglow	that's insanely slow
00:29:39	preglow	i refuse to believe it
00:29:40	HCl	you can add debug messages on writes to lcd.. etc..
00:30:03	HCl	cpu_emulate(2280);
00:30:22	AC	i must ask him, if he can reflash my h120.. since 10 minutes it hangs by loading original firmware... i dont know why.. it worked for days
00:30:40	preglow	then you'd better pray to god that there are a lot of waitstates to be removed from the ram access
00:30:54	HCl	preglow: its an interpreter core, i can do better.
00:31:00	HCl	my primary concern is to get it to display stuff.
00:31:04	preglow	HCl: yes, but an interpreter core should not be that slow
00:31:12	HCl	i'm not sure.
00:31:22	HCl	2000 cpu instructions per second?
00:31:23	preglow	AC: how'd you manage that?
00:31:34	HCl	i think its pretty decent..
00:31:39		Quit amx ("leaving")
00:31:44	preglow	HCl: in the same time the coldfire does roughly five million as it is
00:31:53	HCl	i guess
00:31:54	preglow	HCl: that is, when the ram wait states are cut down
00:32:07	preglow	but i don't know, a lot of factors still
00:32:08	AC	preglow: i dont know.. about 20 minutes ago i listen music via irivers firmware and now i also want to listen, but it hangs
00:32:32	preglow	AC: how long since you flashed rockbox?
00:32:39	HCl	gheh.
00:32:47	thegeek	tried plugging in the charger?
00:32:54	AC	preglow: bootloader is 2 days old
00:33:06	AC	preglow: worked until now very fine
00:33:06	thegeek	and we already have a gb emu
00:33:09	preglow	AC: how and where does it hang?
00:33:10	thegeek	you guys are amazing:)
00:33:12	*	HCl does a search on gnuboy and dynamic, in an attempt to see whether anyone has written a dynarec for it.. 4th hit = rockbox irc log >.>
00:33:19	thegeek	humhum
00:33:21		Join webguest88 [0] (~3e234217@labb.contactor.se)
00:33:28	preglow	HCl: dynarec for gameboy has never been done, afaik
00:33:38	preglow	HCl: on the grounds that it is usually grossly overkill
00:33:49	webguest88	Hcl : i come to test your rockboy with a rom i have
00:33:58	webguest88	and it displayed only number 1 to ...
00:34:07	preglow	yes, that's because it's not done yet
00:34:18	AC	preglow: i press record and then poweron... here it hangs - starting original firmware.
00:34:31	HCl	preglow: mhm.
00:34:35	preglow	if you had read anything of what we have said, you would have known that
00:34:41	HCl	preglow: i was hoping someone would've done it as a hobby project
00:34:49	preglow	AC: ok, then you've got a problem
00:34:56	preglow	AC: but it USED to work?
00:35:07	preglow	AC: 'cause if it did, that's really alarming
00:35:10	HCl	AC: does it load rockbox ?
00:35:32	AC	preglow: it worked abou 30 minutes ago
00:35:43	AC	HCl: rockbox starts
00:35:48	*	HCl just realizes he never really played songs with his iriver since he flashed it..
00:35:50	preglow	AC: and you are positively certain you have not done anything flash wise since then?
00:35:58	preglow	mine plays music just fine
00:36:01	thegeek	first brick.
00:36:01	preglow	i've used it tons
00:36:14	HCl	report it on the wiki
00:36:26	preglow	AC: but ok, linus is certain to be on irc tomorrow, he'll probably want to hear this
00:36:32	AC	preglow: i am sure... i have flashed it only one time
00:36:33	thegeek	could be just the harddrive is corrupted
00:36:35	thegeek	try formatting
00:36:44	thegeek	that could hang the org firmware
00:36:47	preglow	thegeek: why should that be a factor? rockbox loads fine and that is on disk
00:36:57	thegeek	rockbox is not the org firmware
00:36:59	preglow	thegeek: the original firmware is in flash, and that's what doesn't start
00:37:03	linuxstb	AC: How far does it get when loading the original firmware?
00:37:14	thegeek	perhaps it does start, it just hangs when it tries to use the hd
00:37:23	thegeek	I would atleast try formatting the hd
00:37:29	preglow	he says it hangs on the bootloader message
00:37:34	thegeek	oh
00:37:35	thegeek	hmm
00:37:43	preglow	that's a few seconds before the iriver firmware has gotten far enough to use the hd
00:37:52	thegeek	yep
00:37:53	thegeek	;)
00:37:55	linuxstb	AC: Do you still have USB access to the HD?
00:37:59	XShocK	my player plays everything fine.. worked 2-3 hours without interrupting
00:38:03	AC	the hd never spins up
00:38:10	thegeek	hehe
00:38:11	preglow	but yes
00:38:15	AC	linuxstb: i dont think so
00:38:24	preglow	linus will find out why it doesn't work when and if he opens it up
00:38:32	preglow	i find it disconcerting that it used to work, thoguh
00:38:51	preglow	makes mine feel like a ticking disaster waiting to happen
00:39:12	linuxstb	preglow: I'm watching HCl's ticking disaster at the moment :-)
00:39:16	HCl	lol.
00:39:22	HCl	well.
00:39:29	HCl	i loaded the smallest, simplest demo rom i could find into it
00:39:33	thegeek	HCl : PocketGnuboy claims to be "faster" than other gnuboys's
00:39:38	HCl	and its at tick 680
00:39:42	thegeek	http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/pocketgnuboy.shtml
00:39:43	thegeek	;)
00:39:43	*	AC is quite sad now
00:40:01	preglow	AC: understandable, but this kind of thing is a risk when we're doing what we do
00:40:19	preglow	AC: on the bright side, linus did seem quite forthcoming in reflashing bricked units
00:40:22	HCl	thegeek: i'll take a look at it
00:40:27	thegeek	;)
00:40:38	thegeek	was just a small something I noticed;)
00:40:44	AC	preglow: fine
00:40:56	HCl	should be almost trivial to build a .patch to patch rockboy out of it
00:41:29	preglow	i wonder what pocketgnuboy does different
00:41:43	HCl	not much, as far as i can see.
00:41:46	*	AC plays around with the bootloader
00:41:48	HCl	its still no dynarec
00:42:17	preglow	as i said, i don't think you'll ever see dynarec in a current gb emu
00:42:23	HCl	thats okay
00:42:25	HCl	cause like
00:42:27	HCl	a dynarec
00:42:34	HCl	would have to be made in m68k assembly anyways
00:42:39	HCl	and the general focus of dynarecs is x86
00:42:39		Quit Trevmar ()
00:42:47	preglow	i suggested dynarec for snes emu some years ago, and the devs dropped dead laughinh
00:42:51	preglow	heh
00:42:59	HCl	i don't see why
00:43:01	HCl	its fun to build
00:43:08	amiconn	Trevmar: [IDC]Dragon's clock circuit drawings are really interesting. There's room for optimisation in rockbox :) However, I don't get why the order of things would matter for card access from the CPU. It does matter for USB access, put that part is working for you....
00:43:10	HCl	provided you have a decentish debugger
00:43:15	preglow	i think you're a minority, there, finding that fun
00:43:15	preglow	heh
00:43:21	HCl	lol.
00:43:25	preglow	that is, i'd love to cut my teeth on it, but don't think most people would
00:43:26	HCl	its fun, till you hit bugs
00:43:29	amiconn	s/put/but/
00:43:38	HCl	i remember my n64 dynarec core wayyy outdoing our n64 interpreter core
00:43:49	preglow	why, ofcourse
00:43:51	HCl	unfortunately, it was less compatible for reasons i never found out
00:43:52	preglow	they're shit fast
00:44:34	HCl	i'll try adding a debug trace thing
00:44:40	linuxstb	HCl: Is it the "refresh_1" function I should be looking at?
00:44:51	preglow	what about dumping the raw framebuffer like you get it from gnuboy to a file
00:44:58	preglow	that way you at least should see if you get data
00:45:23	HCl	linuxstb: yea
00:45:37	HCl	linuxstb: it should be calling that one for screen updates, i'm not even entirely sure about that
00:45:49	preglow	that's the first thing i'd do, at least
00:45:52	HCl	linuxstb: its arguments is the target 8 bit scanline, its source 8 bit scanline, its palette, and the amount of pixels to copy
00:45:58	preglow	make sure you're getting called, and getting called with proper data
00:46:06	HCl	preglow: adding the debugger is easier..
00:46:11		Quit webguest88 ("CGI:IRC")
00:46:18	HCl	since its just removing an uncomment, and redirecting it to write to a file
00:46:23	preglow	i don't se how anything could be easier than dumping your arguments to a file :P
00:46:29	preglow	ahh, then i understand
00:48:37	HCl	linuxstb: good checks would be to see whether c is ever non-zero.. whether the function gets called at all.. whether it maps properly.. etc...
00:48:48	linuxstb	HCl: I could be wrong, but should the \|= be an &= in your if...else statement?
00:49:05	HCl	no.. it should be or =, to set the pixel to on
00:49:54	bagawk	Adios
00:49:57	linuxstb	Of course, sorry. But I don't see a "c" in that function.
00:50:01		Quit hubble ()
00:50:01		Quit bagawk ("Leaving")
00:50:09	HCl	oh, yea, i removed that var to speed things up...
00:50:16	HCl	pretty much, the value the palette returns for the pixel
00:50:43	HCl	the pixel value is read and fed into the palette, after which the value of that gets checked by the if
00:50:58	HCl	if the palette is all 0's, it won't ever display anything, it should clear the screen though..
00:51:52	HCl	i'm not even sure what indexes its getting.. it should be 4 bit.. but i have no clue, really..
00:52:24	***	Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:52:48	HCl	i'm guessing the palette might be bugged
00:53:26	linuxstb	I'm going to try to get the simulator version running - it will be much easier to debug.
00:56:12	amiconn	HCl: I don't know why you don't get any output, but I think your mapping is reversed. Bit == 1 means pixel is set in rockbox, i.e. black, while Bit == 0 means white
00:56:51	HCl	oh
00:56:52	HCl	o.o
00:56:56	HCl	then yes, it is reversed
00:57:01	HCl	but thats easily fixable
00:59:34	HCl	linuxstb: i think its crashing on all the variables that aren't declared static, but for some reason, variables declared static wouldn't be resolved when using extern to reference those variables, so i resorted to making them non-static
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01:00:18	amiconn	You can never export static variables...
01:01:15	HCl	why not?
01:01:37	HCl	anyways, non static variables seem to work, on the real iriver at least
01:01:48	HCl	otherwise it would've never been able to call the splash screens etc
01:02:13	amiconn	Making variables static causes them to have a hidden symbol, so they are not usable from a different source file.
01:02:22	preglow	static symbols are always locals
01:02:34	preglow	this applies to both functions and variables
01:02:36	HCl	okay
01:02:46	preglow	static functions might even be inlined
01:02:51	HCl	i slapped in the debugger
01:02:59	HCl	it might get VERY spammy though
01:03:10	HCl	so it might consume disk fast and probably slows it down a lot
01:03:40	HCl	but i got a headache now so i'll just put the source of the stuff with the debugger up
01:03:53	preglow	and i've got to go to bed
01:04:01	preglow	later, all
01:04:08		Quit preglow ("off of off")
01:08:14	HCl	hm, thats odd, rockboy on my iriver crashed after 1445 cycles
01:10:43		Part amiconn
01:11:01	linuxstb	HCl: Mine is still running at 1650 cycles...
01:11:59	linuxstb	Sorry, it has crashed. Not sure if it was when I pressed a button or earlier than that.
01:12:53		Quit edx ()
01:15:26	AC	strange
01:15:50	HCl	i'll check whether its consistant or not tomorrow
01:16:03	AC	after i have conntected my ihp120 to adapter it loads now orginal firmware
01:16:10	HCl	rockbox-devel.zip on my ftp has the debug enhancement thing
01:16:16	AC	fine
01:16:22	AC	i will also try it
01:16:58	AC	could you post your server name?
01:17:36	HCl	ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl
01:17:55	HCl	its not really useful to test it unless you have a dev env and know c to tinker with it / add debug messages / debug etc
01:18:27	AC	i know c very well
01:18:32	HCl	ok :)
01:19:25	AC	done it for about 5 years.. and now at uni i am doing studies an software engineering
01:19:43	HCl	sorry sorry xD
01:19:48	HCl	i didn't really mean to offend you
01:19:53	AC	:)
01:20:08	AC	i want to port opengl es to the irver
01:20:12	HCl	lol.
01:20:58	HCl	i just want gnuboy to run.. then if it runs too slow, even with optimizations.. i'll move to dynarec
01:21:02	HCl	or at least partial dynarec
01:21:34	AC	version 1.0 of opengl for embbled systems should be makeable
01:22:57	AC	i think rockboy will run much better, if the coldfire runs at max speed
01:23:11	HCl	maybe
01:23:15	rasher	Another wholly insane person, delightful :)
01:23:18	HCl	i think that even if it would run at max speed
01:23:23	HCl	i'll still work on dynarec
01:23:26	*	rasher hugs HCl and AC
01:23:27	HCl	simply because it'll save battery
01:24:08	AC	sure
01:28:43	quelsaruk	sleep time
01:28:44	quelsaruk	cu
01:28:48		Quit quelsaruk ("KVIrc 3.0.1.99 'Realia'")
01:37:31	linuxstb	HCl: I think I've got your rockboy working as a viewer - it's a trivial change to make
01:37:41	HCl	linuxstb: nods
01:44:30	HCl	i'm gonna go sleep.. stuff..
01:44:32	HCl	night
01:45:28	AC	night
01:45:56	linuxstb	g'night
01:46:27		Quit AC ("CGI:IRC")
01:59:31	coob	coob.org/flickeringcube.avi">http://booc.coob.org/flickeringcube.avi (~ 1.85 MB) <−− ipodlinux port of cube.c with solid rendering.
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02:00:51	HCl	not bad, how many grayscales does ipod have?
02:00:59	HCl	but i'm sleeping. so don't mind me.
02:03:06	midk	i thought 16.
02:03:13	coob	2 bit lcd
02:03:30	coob	so white, light grey, gray and black :)
02:03:38	midk	wrong
02:03:43	midk	:)
02:04:37	midk	coob: awesome :)
02:05:06	coob	yeah i'm gunna try and improove on the flickering
02:05:31	XShocK	look good. :)
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02:10:22	rasher	coob: is that perspective-correct?
02:11:07	coob	ish.
02:11:48	rasher	it looks better than the rockbox version
02:11:53	coob	if rockbox's cube plugin is, then sure. all the vector/camera code is unmodfied.
02:11:58	rasher	oh
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02:12:10	rasher	then it isn't :)
02:12:12	coob	nah it's probably just because wireframe always looks odd
02:12:18	rasher	hrm
02:12:22	coob	and also because the ipod has a higher res screen to play with
02:22:59	XShocK	what is the resolution in ipod?
02:25:34	rasher	coob: you're right, it's the wireframe confusing me
02:25:44	rasher	thinking that the backside is front
02:29:30	coob	XShocK: 160x128 iirc
02:29:36	coob	138x110 on minis
02:30:12	XShocK	doesn't the iriver have the same resolution?
02:30:48	coob	probably
02:31:20	rasher	the cube looks lovely on the iRiver's screen
02:32:01	rasher	it'd be nice to have visible cues of which lines are on top of others
02:32:04	rasher	like a small gap
02:32:06	rasher	or something
02:33:51	XShocK	"Another wholly insane person, delightful :)"
02:34:52	rasher	my best bet at this point is coming up with ideas, I'm no good at coding
02:36:39	XShocK	:) I am trying to make a "Life" game as plugin. Dying cells...
02:36:49	XShocK	my first experience in rockbox. :)
02:37:01	rasher	Life is cute
02:38:30	coob	ok well i have no idea about the rockbox's api but this solid rendering stuff is probably backportable with your greyscale plugin
02:39:09	rasher	Also the iRiver has 2bit display :)
02:40:47	coob	woo solved the flickering issue with some buffering
02:41:26	rasher	nice
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03:00:09	rasher	heh
03:00:31	rasher	this is your reward: http://www.syslog.com/~jwilson/pics-i-like/kurios119.jpg
03:01:09	rasher	downloading..
03:01:59	XShocK	:)
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03:04:15	rasher	nice
03:04:20	rasher	that looks absolutely stunning
03:05:03	coob	thanks
03:05:43	coob	right, now i need to a) make next/prev make it bigger/smaller b) be able to switch between rendering modes c) make it explode :)
03:06:00	rasher	hah
03:06:08	rasher	and then someone should backport it to rockbox
03:07:49	mrmags	rasher that pic is so wrong... I love it
03:07:59	rasher	hah
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03:36:25	XShocK	hmm. is coldfire big-endian or little?
03:45:50	XShocK	grrr..... I thought lcd framebuffer works like in PC... plain matrix X*Y...
03:50:05	coob	ok done on everything but c :D
03:53:33	XShocK	:)
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08:59:51	Bagder	morning
08:59:55	LinusN	moo
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09:00:03	Bagder	seen that ipod cube port?
09:00:10	LinusN	yeah
09:00:17	Bagder	insane
09:00:19	rasher	morning
09:00:31	rasher	it looks really good with 2bit colour and solid rendering
09:00:37	Bagder	yes
09:01:14	dwihno	ipod cube?
09:01:15	rasher	also, someone wants to make opengl es for rockbox :-\ crazy
09:01:21	Bagder	dwihno: coob.org/cubelessflicker.avi">http://booc.coob.org/cubelessflicker.avi
09:01:36	dwihno	fetching
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09:02:43	dwihno	nice clip
09:03:26	Bagder	that is one of the advantages they get when they run linux, they have heaps of already made stuff they can use without much modification
09:03:49	dwihno	Have anyone of you seen linux on the ipod "live"?
09:03:57	Bagder	nope
09:04:04	Bagder	I've never even seen an ipod live
09:04:10	dwihno	I did once
09:04:12	LinusN	i saw one once
09:04:35	dwihno	LinusN: it's such a scary experience! :/
09:04:50	*	LinusN is reading the irc logs
09:05:08	Bagder	we have a claimed brick
09:05:18	LinusN	funny, when the original firmware didn't start, but rockbox did
09:05:36	Bagder	it did start but stopped doing so
09:05:46	Bagder	which is weird big
09:05:51	LinusN	it started again when he connected the charger
09:05:57	Bagder	aha
09:06:13	Bagder	so no brick then
09:06:27	Bagder	the compo is still open! ;-)
09:06:33	LinusN	my guess is the iriver firmware consumes a little more power than rockbox
09:06:43	Bagder	probably
09:06:44	LinusN	in the current state
09:07:01	LinusN	rockbox will of course draw some more when we boost the cpu clock
09:07:30	dwihno	Do you know at which frequency the CPU is doing the MP3 decoding?
09:07:50	LinusN	i heard something about 96MHz
09:07:55	LinusN	or was it 72...?
09:08:14	Bagder	btw, I checked the requirements for sidplay
09:08:21	Bagder	it's something like a P300
09:08:26	Zagor	yikes!
09:08:27	LinusN	wooo
09:08:50	Zagor	however there must be lighter code available. sidplay ran on the amigas.
09:08:52	LinusN	that's bullsh*t imho
09:08:58	rasher	resid
09:09:02	rasher	I think
09:09:04	rasher	is lighter
09:09:04	Bagder	Zagor: true
09:09:18	LinusN	the filters are cpu intensive
09:09:28	rasher	I think they're going for precision rather than optimization
09:10:15	Bagder	right, optimized O1 they say "sub P166"
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09:10:34	Bagder	still, we are way below that
09:12:04	dwihno	What would you compare the coldfire with?
09:12:10	dwihno	Intel-wise
09:12:16	Bagder	I don't know
09:12:36	dwihno	486 SX 50? :)
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09:13:18	Bagder	LinusN: is 140mhz the top speed we can run the coldfire?
09:14:09	Zagor	140 is the top rated frequency for the chip. i'm not sure we can actually clock it that high.
09:14:17	Bagder	ok
09:14:33	LinusN	we should be able to
09:14:42	Zagor	ok, good
09:14:55	LinusN	well, the external oscillator sets a few limits
09:14:56	Bagder	overclocking!
09:14:58	Bagder	;-)
09:15:02	LinusN	:-)
09:15:31	Bagder	imagine what amazing cube you can get when boosted to 143 mhz
09:15:35	Bagder	:-P
09:15:37	LinusN	:-)
09:15:45	LinusN	the lcd really sucks, btw
09:15:47	Zagor	too bad the display is so slow
09:15:51	LinusN	:-)
09:16:02	dwihno	Is it worse than the archos' LCD?
09:16:11	*	dwihno and his 10 001 questions
09:16:13	Zagor	yes
09:16:14	LinusN	much worse
09:16:45	dwihno	that's a shame :(
09:17:11	*	Bagder tries to find what kind of lcd ipod has
09:17:15	Zagor	however it will make dithered grayscales look even better :-)
09:17:31	rasher	I wonder if it would be possible to find an author of an amiga sid player and ask him to opensource it
09:17:59	rasher	and if would be at all helpful
09:18:24	Bagder	we'd get a big chunk of 68k asm
09:18:27	Bagder	:-)
09:18:39	rasher	probably
09:19:27	Zagor	yes, the amiga sid player by H�kan Sundell is pure assembler
09:20:07	Zagor	http://www.computerbrains.com/ccs64/playsid.html
09:20:45	rasher	aha
09:20:52	Zagor	http://www.computerbrains.com/ccs64/wwwboard/messages/79.html
09:21:35	*	Bagder shrugs
09:21:37	dwihno	m68k instructions have such long names! :)
09:21:52	dwihno	move.b, move.w, move.l
09:22:24	LinusN	my favorite instruction name is on powerpc: EIEIO
09:22:36	LinusN	old mcdonald had a farm....
09:22:48	rasher	haha
09:23:10	dwihno	:D
09:23:34	sneakums	that's the best opcode ever
09:25:19	rasher	it so is
09:26:39	rasher	well that sure was a big chunk of 68k asm
09:27:11	dwihno	asm is so fscking hard to read
09:27:28	dwihno	I can only understand copy-routines
09:27:28	Bagder	now you're being negative
09:27:36	rasher	I guess knowing the instruction set would help
09:27:53	Bagder	lda #$ 00 sta $d021
09:28:00	LinusN	black border!
09:28:12	dwihno	don't tell me that's c64 banjo stuff :)
09:28:18	Bagder	it is
09:28:26	dwihno	wee! banjo-c64!
09:28:46	dwihno	I pressed some buttons on the keyboard and some hearts appeared on the monitor
09:29:09	dwihno	the sole purpose of the c64 is to be able to play zorro!
09:29:21	LinusN	meeting
09:29:31	Bagder	but d021 wasn't the border, d020 was
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10:02:25	bobTHC	hi folks!
10:02:54	[IDC]Dragon	hi
10:03:09	rasher	Hi there
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10:19:00	amiconn	hi all
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10:34:43	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: Your clock select schematics were valuable. I found some possible optimisation
10:41:41	amiconn	However, I still don't understand why MV breaks MMC access on the 0308 units.
10:42:56	amiconn	You sad that we might possibly produce some glitch on the clock line.
10:43:02	amiconn	If at all, this would happen when no card is selected, so it shouldn't matter.
10:43:30	amiconn	Furthermore, MV doesn't change anything in that part...
10:44:19	rasher	amiconn: Sorry, I have a small correction to the Dansk translation.. somewhere it says "Sort�r", could you change that to "Sorter"?
10:51:15	amiconn	Fixed.
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10:52:42	[IDC]Dragon	amiconn: so what was the value, what optimization?
10:53:52	[IDC]Dragon	if clocks don't matter when the card is not selected, I wonder why this logic is there at all
10:54:08	[IDC]Dragon	we could clock both all the time
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10:55:40	amiconn	Yes, we can clock both cards all the time in spi mode, that's the optimisation.
10:56:03	amiconn	The select circuit is necessary in mmc mode, i.e. when the bridge has control
10:56:17	amiconn	mmc mode doesn't use the chip select
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10:57:33	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: I derived this from your statement (which is obvious from the drawing) that the clock circuit can only mute the internal, not the external.
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10:58:23	amiconn	If the select would be necessary in spi mode, this would mean we could never access the internal when a MMC is plugged, because the MMC gets always clocked as well.
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10:59:50	linuxstb	Morning all.
10:59:57	linuxstb	HCl: Any progress with rockboy?
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11:01:25	[IDC]Dragon	amiconn: skipping the chip select is an insignificant optimization, or?
11:01:53	amiconn	Not the chip select, but the clock select
11:02:21	[IDC]Dragon	yes, that's what I meant
11:02:50	[IDC]Dragon	maybe it saves an insignificant amount of energy to still mute it
11:03:06	[IDC]Dragon	one toggling line less
11:03:55	amiconn	Yes maybe. However, not switching the select means less probability to produce a glitch, and it's (insignificantly) faster
11:04:37	[IDC]Dragon	yes, we should try (for the glitch)
11:06:05	[IDC]Dragon	and the chip select should only be switched when the clock is in idle state for sure
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11:10:55	sox	hoy, flashed my iriver yesterday, worked like a charm
11:10:57	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: It is
11:13:11	sox	but i noticed i slight hissing sound from the HD when running rockbox that isnt there when running the iriver firmware, is this something others have heard too?
11:16:41	sox	silent today, isnt it?....
11:18:28	linuxstb	sox: No, I don't get any different HD sounds with the two firmwares. I do notice that the iRiver seems to take longer to power-down the hard drive when doing nothing though.
11:19:59	sox	so, hows it going with the audio libs for playback
11:26:52	linuxstb	sox: Slowly but I'm making progress. Problem is to get them working nicely in an embedded environment (i.e. with a small, fixed amount of RAM) without changing the standard library code too much (if at all).
11:27:27	linuxstb	I should be able to spend this weekend working on it, so should have some code and ideas to share by that point.
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11:43:09	preglow	amiconn: you here?
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11:46:21	thegeek	hmm: preglow, hvilken studentby bor du p� og er det noe sted du vil anbefale hybel?
11:46:50	preglow	hah
11:46:51	preglow	steinan
11:46:54	thegeek	aah
11:46:55	thegeek	smooth
11:46:59	thegeek	tenker meg dit jeg og:)
11:47:00	preglow	jass�, hvorfor?
11:47:02	preglow	hehe
11:47:03	preglow	fint her
11:47:06	thegeek	ja
11:47:09	thegeek	s�rlig sm�hus
11:47:27	preglow	deed, bor i blokk selv, men hadde flyttet ned til sm�hus om je gikke bare hadde under et halvt �r igjen her
11:47:34	thegeek	ah
11:47:44	thegeek	hva studerer du?
11:47:57	preglow	er vel opprinnelig elektronikk, men lite elektronikk igjen
11:48:01	thegeek	;)
11:48:02	preglow	g�r for det meste i signalbehandling n�
11:48:05	thegeek	kk
11:48:39	preglow	hva skal du studere, da?
11:48:42	preglow	evt. hva studerer du
11:48:48	thegeek	datateknikk
11:48:51	thegeek	skal
11:49:03	LinusN	please use english in this channel
11:49:10	preglow	haha
11:49:14	preglow	this is pm material anyway
11:49:17	thegeek	sorry LinusN
11:49:18	thegeek	yeah
11:49:21	thegeek	it really is;)
11:49:22	thegeek	hehe
11:49:31	preglow	but i'll go eat
11:53:01	amiconn	preglow: I am (sort of)
11:54:33	preglow	amiconn: i've got a patch for norsk.lang, but it's nothing urgent
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12:15:13	*	HCl pets his warm, fuzzy, mewing black alarmclock
12:15:32	HCl	morning
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12:36:19	HCl	hey ripnetperson
12:36:27	HCl	how fare thee today?
12:36:39	ripnetuk	hi HCl :) good thanks.. how r u?
12:36:50	ripnetuk	hows the gnuboy comin along?
12:36:52	HCl	pretty ok, just woke up.. my kitty was mewing at my door
12:36:55	HCl	its always a nice way to wake up
12:36:59	ripnetuk	yeah
12:37:10	ripnetuk	i would like to get a cat, but me and the gf both work full time...
12:37:19	ripnetuk	would be unfair... i just play with my sisters cats
12:37:28	HCl	mhm
12:37:58	HCl	i was never able to get one cause my parents were allergic, and then i moved out and it still took us several years to find a person who wanted to give their cat away
12:38:11	ripnetuk	yeah, my gf is possibly allergic as well :(
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12:38:29	HCl	but we have one now and he's cute and fluffy and cuddly and makes a good alarm clock o.o
12:38:56	ripnetuk	:)
12:39:00	HCl	anyways... shower, coffee, and then i'll add some more debug stuff to gnuboy
12:39:06	ripnetuk	cool
12:39:26	HCl	probably gonna see if i can make the screen all black /white using my routine.. and poop out a list of assembly its parsing
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12:39:40	HCl	bbiab
12:39:46	ripnetuk	cya
12:42:54	ripnetuk	I still think Rockbox is eating my file system... i suspect the fsinfo structure is not being written correctly. As soon as i run rockbox, the next time I mount the drive on Linux and write files to the device, i end up with files which are out of range, causing
12:42:57	ripnetuk	Feb 8 19:23:51 scoop kernel: FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sde1)
12:42:58	ripnetuk	Feb 8 19:23:51 scoop kernel: fat_free: deleting beyond EOF (i_pos 0)
12:42:58	ripnetuk	Feb 8 19:23:51 scoop kernel: File system has been set read-only
12:43:44	ripnetuk	when I try to delete them. Looking as the FSINFO structre, i reckon that Next Free Cluster might be being incorrectly set, causing Linux to write files outside of the allowed region
12:44:19	ripnetuk	im gonna fully investigate this tonight, but does it sound possible?
12:44:40	Bagder	it would indicate a fat bug in rockbox
12:44:42	ripnetuk	ive tried the older kernel (which has worked perfectly with my jukebox for months and months) and it happened again!
12:47:03	ripnetuk	as soon as i get near a linux box tonight im gonna dump the fsinfo structure and check its not broken
12:47:11	ripnetuk	before and after running rockbox
12:47:21	Bagder	sounds like a sound approach
12:47:41	ripnetuk	i dont understand why it hasnt happened to anyone else tho
12:48:03	Bagder	so when this happens, how do you get out of it?
12:48:15	Bagder	dosfsck?
12:48:19	ripnetuk	chkdsk on windows
12:48:25	Bagder	ok
12:48:31	ripnetuk	i dont know how to check fat partitions on linux
12:48:40	Bagder	dosfsck is the tool
12:48:42	ripnetuk	i have fsck.ext2 etc but no dos
12:48:56	ripnetuk	aha :) thanks that should save be some plugging tonight
12:49:17	ripnetuk	i wish i wrote dont what chkdsk reported (it converted all the lost files to new files and removed all the zero length files that were on the disk)
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12:56:41	LinusN	if linux trusts the Last Free Cluster info, i'd say it's a bug in linux
12:56:46	preglow	LinusN: you heard from the guy who bricked his player, btw?
12:56:48	quelsaruk	hi
12:56:52	LinusN	it is justa hint
12:57:02	HCl	preglow: ac said it worked again after he put the charger in
12:57:04	LinusN	preglow: it wasn't a brick
12:57:07	preglow	hahahah
12:57:18	preglow	but he said he'd already tried that
12:57:19	preglow	oh well
12:57:31	preglow	nothing to worry about, then
12:57:55	Zagor	i can tell you linux does not trust Last Free Cluster. I wrote that code...
12:58:42	LinusN	ripnetuk: i wonder why rockbox only eats your file system and nobody elses
12:59:06	dwihno	LinusN: Have you by chance have had the opportunity to check the unit?
12:59:32	LinusN	dwihno: was busy yesterday
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13:01:47	ripnetuk	Linus - thats what I was wondering
13:02:11	ripnetuk	im sure there is another explaination, but its happened plenty of times
13:02:38	ripnetuk	the drive is being accessed by all of Linux, Rockbox and iRiver firmware
13:02:40	LinusN	weird
13:02:48	Zagor	ripnetuk: how do you fix the corrupted disk? reformat and restore?
13:02:54	ripnetuk	did you see the messages i got? about trying to delete beyond eof?
13:03:02	ripnetuk	zag - chkdsk on WindowsXP fixes it
13:03:04	LinusN	yes
13:03:18	ripnetuk	i relaly wish i wrote down the exact message it gave. Next time I will
13:03:28	*	HCl goes to make coffee..
13:03:36	LinusN	ripnetuk: did you try to play a file?
13:03:40	ripnetuk	im sure the corruption happens when I use linux after using rockbox - the drive is fine after rockbox
13:03:55	ripnetuk	Linux - play a file? what do you mean? all the files copied on after the 'corruption' has a length of 0
13:04:10	LinusN	i mean play an mp3 file in rockbox
13:04:16	ripnetuk	yes
13:04:19	ripnetuk	:)
13:04:34	ripnetuk	possibly not each time it went wrong tho, not completely sure
13:05:00	LinusN	and you shut down with the stop key, not reset?
13:05:06	ripnetuk	yes always
13:05:10	LinusN	hmmm
13:05:14	ripnetuk	apart from the first day when I got hangs on the plugins
13:05:20	ripnetuk	but the drives been formatted since then
13:05:22	Zagor	at the risk of sounding paranoid, the problem could in fact be caused by chkdsk. microsoft has a nasty habit of not adhering to the fat specification.
13:05:34	ripnetuk	well it is THEIR spec to break :)
13:05:48	ripnetuk	seriously, Windows was not in the picture at all
13:05:58	preglow	LinusN: what's left in the speeding up department? clocking the cpu correctly and setting correct number of ram wait states?
13:05:59	ripnetuk	it never got plugged into a windows box until the fs was damaged
13:06:18	Zagor	ripnetuk: aha, so basically format->linux copy->rockbox->linux = bang ?
13:06:26	ripnetuk	zag - yes
13:06:29	Zagor	ok
13:06:39	ripnetuk	sometimes i needed to boot rockbox more than once for it to happen.
13:06:54	Zagor	which linux kernel are you running?
13:07:25	ripnetuk	2.6.8.1-12mdksmp and its happened on -24mdksmp as well ( i initially thought it was my kernel update that did it)
13:07:37	*	[IDC]Dragon saw in the log that the iriver display is slow, I thought it's parallel?
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13:07:46	LinusN	preglow: the cpu pll setup must set up wait state, ram refresh and tick timer correctly
13:07:52	ciccia-88	hi
13:07:57	Zagor	[IDC]Dragon: yes, but the physical lcd screen is slow. fast movement makes it blurry.
13:08:11	[IDC]Dragon	not the interface?
13:08:17	Zagor	no
13:08:18	LinusN	no
13:08:20	[IDC]Dragon	ok
13:08:36	[IDC]Dragon	good for temporal dithering ;-)
13:08:59	Zagor	indeed :)
13:09:17	[IDC]Dragon	flicke? what flicker?
13:09:24	[IDC]Dragon	r
13:09:28	dwihno	LinusN: was just curious whether She can be saved, or perhaps serve you well in your testing adventures :)
13:09:45	LinusN	i'm sure she can be saved
13:10:21	[IDC]Dragon	so the LCD is even slower than the Archos one?
13:10:26	LinusN	oh yes
13:10:41	[IDC]Dragon	brr
13:11:11	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: A similar solution as on the jukeboxes (a maximum of 32 bitplanes) would allow for 47 greyscales (instead of 33) with the 4-gray native iRiver display...
13:11:37	[IDC]Dragon	then it's no benefit
13:11:53	[IDC]Dragon	for doubling the memory
13:12:14	amiconn	No memory doubling
13:12:34	[IDC]Dragon	yes, a 4-scale bitmap is twice the size
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13:12:56	amiconn	Yes, but I spoke about the same number of bits. 32x1 ==> 16x2
13:13:02	[IDC]Dragon	ah, ok
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13:13:06	preglow	the iriver display seems to be very slow
13:13:21	_ripnetuk	something I did notice, sometimes Rockbox says 'shutting down' and sometimes it just shuts down with no message
13:13:31	_ripnetuk	maybe its bypassing some shut down code sometimes?
13:13:41	Zagor	_ripnetuk: yes, if the disk is already spun down
13:13:47	_ripnetuk	gotcha
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13:16:11	ciccia-88	yuyuyuyuuuuuuu
13:16:36	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: If the iRiver display is really that slow, it might be even possible to use 32x2 bits ==> 97 greyscales (instead of _49_)
13:16:54	thegeek	god damn, I just lost a huge fucking crowbar on my toe
13:16:58	thegeek	hurts like hell
13:16:58	quelsaruk	amiconn: did you check omnipage pro TTs?
13:17:12	preglow	thegeek: clever
13:17:14	_ripnetuk	i cant get it to go wrong using windows, maybe the Linux fat driver does use fsinfo when it shouldnt??. Tonight I am going to learn all about fsinfo :)
13:17:17	thegeek	yeah I know
13:17:22	thegeek	gargh
13:17:58	Zagor	_ripnetuk: :)
13:18:36	_ripnetuk	how big is a sector on FAT32 - is it fixed, or do I need to read it from disk? im looking for sector 1 starting with the "Extended Boot Signature"
13:18:36	amiconn	quelsaruk: Not yet.
13:18:46	quelsaruk	:)
13:18:48	quelsaruk	ok
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13:19:01	sneakums	sectors are always 512 bytes
13:19:08	_ripnetuk	thanks sneakums :)
13:19:10	sneakums	FAT groups sectors into clusters of varying sizes
13:19:11	HCl	lets see.
13:19:14	Zagor	_ripnetuk: i found the H100 usb-storage bug was fixed in 2.6.8 at least, so it shouldn't be that
13:19:27	sneakums	not sure what specifically FAT32 does, i think it can address the sectors individually
13:19:32	_ripnetuk	thanks Zag - i thought is should be OK
13:19:55	Zagor	no, fat32 only handles clusters
13:19:56	_ripnetuk	as its worked for months and months on this kernel - it must be something Rockbox is doing to the drive, as it happened the day after I flashed
13:20:11	Zagor	yeah, sounds very much like it
13:20:13	_ripnetuk	i will use dd on the raw device to grab the sector
13:20:31	_ripnetuk	then maybe write a little c program to pull out the info and display it
13:20:50	HCl	o.o
13:20:50	HCl	* A bitmap contains one bit for every pixel that defines if that pixel is
13:20:51	HCl	* black (1) or white (0). Bits within a byte are arranged vertically, LSB
13:20:53	_ripnetuk	but its still a complete mytsry why its only me
13:21:04	HCl	who was saying black was 0....
13:21:13	HCl	ah well o.
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13:21:33	Alex11	Ueee Salve Gente di #rockbox! −−==[Apocalypse Script 2.1]==-
13:21:34	Zagor	_ripnetuk: you can also simply add printouts to fat_mount() in rockbox
13:21:41	ciccia-88	holaaaaa
13:21:42	ciccia-88	alexxxxx
13:21:42	ciccia-88	alexxxxx
13:21:46	thegeek	Alex11 : that is a dreadfull script
13:21:56	Bagder	ciccia-88: you have problems?
13:22:03	ciccia-88	,mmm
13:22:05	ciccia-88	why?
13:22:10	Bagder	you utter weird things
13:22:18	ciccia-88	ke cazz ha detto?
13:22:27	ciccia-88	uhm
13:22:28	Bagder	like that
13:22:28	Alex11	nn ho capito tutto
13:22:32	ciccia-88	i don't understaND
13:22:33	Bagder	english please
13:22:34	ciccia-88	sorry
13:22:35	ciccia-88	:D
13:22:39	ciccia-88	uuuuuffff
13:22:46	Alex11	ha detto se ti piace
13:22:48	ciccia-88	i say
13:22:51	ciccia-88	i say
13:23:00	ciccia-88	in the irc italian
13:23:03	ciccia-88	there are
13:23:05	_ripnetuk	zag - i guess so
13:23:05	Zagor	go somewhere else if you want to chat privately or in non-english
13:23:07	ciccia-88	some english
13:23:13	Zagor	this is a development channel
13:23:29	_ripnetuk	but i want to run tests without Rockbox being able to have a chance to influence my tests
13:23:31	preglow	amiconn: http://glow.m0f0.net/rockbox/norsk.patch, btw
13:23:32	ciccia-88	... what?
13:23:41	Zagor	_ripnetuk: ah, of course
13:24:04	_ripnetuk	there IS another linux box here at work... might try and plug the jukebox into that... brb
13:24:17	ciccia-88	:O
13:24:22	Alex11	ciccia te stanno sfottendo de brutto
13:24:32	Mode	"#rockbox +o Zagor " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
13:24:41	preglow	mode +b *.it, please
13:24:45	ciccia-88	:O
13:24:50	Bagder	been a while since the last ban here
13:25:01	preglow	it's never too late to ban italians
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13:25:15	preglow	no offense meant to nice italians
13:25:30	preglow	it's just that i have met so preciously few
13:26:06	Alex11	dave chapelle is the best
13:26:14	ciccia-88	americans..you are veeeeryyyy join
13:26:21	ciccia-88	:D
13:26:24	preglow	:PPP
13:26:27	preglow	...
13:26:33	ciccia-88	you know
13:26:34	ciccia-88	the
13:26:38	ciccia-88	beautifull
13:26:41	ciccia-88	dream theater?????
13:26:43	ciccia-88	:��D
13:26:52	ciccia-88	they are my preferite group
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13:26:56	Bagder	please just shut up or go away
13:26:57	ciccia-88	XD
13:26:57	Zagor	ciccia-88: last warning
13:27:15	preglow	Zagor: they're trolls, just do it
13:27:32	preglow	the first i've seen on freenode, actually
13:27:56	Zagor	_ripnetuk: however you can use the fat_mount() code to parse the sector you read with dd.
13:27:59	thegeek	hehe
13:28:11	_ripnetuk	zag - i will be looking to lift code wherever possible
13:28:26	_ripnetuk	the linux box at work doesnt support usb mass storage, so i have to wait
13:28:30	_ripnetuk	brb
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13:28:52	ciccia-88	bOOrp
13:29:15	Bagder	fire
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13:29:25	Kick	(#rockbox ciccia-88 :Zagor) by Zagor!~bjst@labb.contactor.se
13:29:33	Alex11	ma fuck
13:29:46	Mode	"#rockbox +b !@host94-10.pool8251.interbusiness.it " by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
13:29:46	Kick	(#rockbox Alex11 :Zagor) by Zagor!~bjst@labb.contactor.se
13:29:56	sneakums	"and your little dog, too!"
13:30:03	Zagor	too narrow, really, but will adjust if necessary
13:30:11	preglow	careful, you don't want to be caught in the barrage
13:37:05	amiconn	preglow: Some of your new strings are rather long now...
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13:39:56	preglow	amiconn: yes, but is that a problem? a lot of the old ones were as well. and one of them, that is the scrolling example string, needs to be long.
13:40:17	preglow	amiconn: it actually wasn't long enough to start scrolling in the old translation, heh
13:41:04	preglow	amiconn: but feel free to drop whichever of them you want
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13:43:02	quelsaruk	Zagor: you don't have to kick them, while in +b mode, they can't talk to the channel :)
13:43:20	quelsaruk	so they will pacifically go away or stay without talking :D
13:43:26	HCl	linuxstb: awake?
13:43:26	preglow	quelsaruk: feels a lot cleaner to have them gone :)
13:43:33	quelsaruk	of course
13:44:48	amiconn	preglow: You are right about the scrolling example. However, the menu strings shouldn't be too long for several reasons.
13:45:03	amiconn	(1) A short string (if it is not ambiguous from being too short) is faster to read & understand
13:45:27	amiconn	(2) A long string means a lot of scrolling, especially on the archos units
13:46:37	preglow	amiconn: i understand all of this, and i decided to trade off for clarity, since some of the old ones were a bit ambiguous, but i'll see if i can fix some of the extreme wones
13:49:02	amiconn	It's perfectly okay to change ambiguous strings.
13:49:12	amiconn	The "Sort case sensitive" string is the most extreme case regarding length, imho.
13:49:45	amiconn	Just try to find short & precise wording. I know this is sometimes difficult
13:49:56	amiconn	The german translation isn't perfect either.
13:50:02	preglow	amiconn: i know, that's because the is no word for 'case' in norwegian
13:51:20	Lost-tv	so do it symbolically, using (Aa-Zz vs A-Za-z) ?
13:51:21	HCl	erh
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13:51:31	HCl	why is the optical out of the iriver working?
13:51:40	ashridah	then you just need 'sort:' or something
13:51:47	ashridah	HCl: because it hasn't been disabled? :)
13:52:01	HCl	okay
13:52:04	Zagor	HCl: "why is X working" is a rather odd question, i must say :-)
13:52:11	HCl	:p
13:52:36	Ctcp	Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
13:52:36	*	HCl watches rockboy count to 10
13:52:51	HCl	i haven't gotten a black screen that i was supposed to get.. so hm.
13:53:08	HCl	either it hasn't called the lcd function to update the screen yet, or its bugged
13:53:21	Bagder	we should put some photos of iRivers running Rockbox on the site
13:53:33	preglow	i've got a couple
13:53:42	preglow	http://glow.m0f0.net/rockbox/
13:53:43	Bagder	and we should add a news item about it on the front page
13:53:51	HCl	yea.
13:53:55	HCl	definately that latter
13:54:19	Bagder	preglow: hey that's the _old_ cube! ;-)
13:54:31	preglow	Bagder: i know, they're old pictures :P
13:55:19	HCl	well, they're somewhat better than mine, at least
13:55:24	amiconn	preglow: Yeah, that's a difficult one. There is no such word in german either, ending up with "Sortiere Gro�-/Kleinschreibung". Not very elegant, but at least it's not that long...
13:55:26	HCl	except mine is of an ihp140
13:55:29	quelsaruk	preglow: did you remember to keep LANG_PLAYER_XXX short enough? those are for the player in screens that can't scroll (i.e. rockbox info screen)
13:55:34	HCl	i'll try to charge my digital cam
13:56:05	preglow	quelsaruk: i'll have a look
13:56:15	*	HCl wonders why rockboy hasn't created any debug output....
13:56:47	preglow	quelsaruk: yes, they're all within one or two characters of the english ones
13:57:25	quelsaruk	preglow: :) i also have problems with that in spanish lang file
13:57:57	preglow	amiconn: i've got it down to +new: "Sortere sm�/store bokstaver"
13:59:00	preglow	which is very ambigious, but short
13:59:38	Bagder	does the wiki create thumbnails?
13:59:50	Bagder	if I attach big pics
14:00
14:00:55	Zagor	no
14:01:53	Bagder	ok, so I make my own
14:05:49	HCl	yay.
14:05:56	*	HCl watches the red hdd led blink while rockboy runs
14:05:59	HCl	writing debug output
14:06:22	dwihno	HCl: does anything work?
14:06:32	HCl	dwihno: the button driver works fine
14:06:44	preglow	amiconn: http://glow.m0f0.net/rockbox/norsk.patch, should be better now
14:06:50	HCl	emulation should work
14:06:51	dwihno	HCl: cool! :)
14:06:56	HCl	but there's not really a way to check
14:07:15	HCl	my debug version is 50 times slower than without... x.x
14:07:20	HCl	if not more
14:07:25	dwihno	x.x ?
14:07:39	HCl	sorry, o.o i tend to use smileys not commonly used on irc
14:07:51	dwihno	^_^
14:07:59	HCl	mhm :p
14:08:13	preglow	:V
14:08:18	*	HCl mrfls and glares at rockboy not even completing a single cycle yet
14:08:28	HCl	debug output = slow
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14:10:36	Bagder	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxShots
14:11:00	dwihno	HCl: well, the emulator should run at faster than 11 (or is it 12?) Mhz
14:11:28	webguest48	did linus add the hold function in the bootloader today ?
14:11:39	Bagder	hold function?
14:11:50	preglow	don't think he has touched it at all, yet
14:11:54	preglow	'least nothing in cvs
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14:12:38	webguest48	yes when we start rockbox it doesn't detect that Hold button is on
14:12:51	Bagder	and what would it do then?
14:12:53	*	HCl sighs.
14:12:54	HCl	well.
14:12:55	preglow	nothign
14:13:03	HCl	that slowed rockboy down with a factor 400, at least
14:13:03	webguest48	it will be preferable that rockbox finished if hold is on
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14:13:19	HCl	wel
14:13:25	Bagder	I consider that feature to be fairly non-important
14:13:28	preglow	Bagder: since the bootloader has already used substantial power when rockbox is loaded, it really should check the hold button itself before loading anything
14:13:32	webguest48	like does the original firmware
14:13:33	HCl	aside from that i haven't been able to find the button code define for the hold button
14:13:36	HCl	it should be trivial to implement
14:13:40	preglow	Bagder: non-important, yes, but essential eventually
14:13:46	Bagder	eventually yes
14:13:51	Bagder	I prefer sound and usb first
14:13:53	Zagor	it's on the way
14:14:02	HCl	usb, then sound...
14:14:04	HCl	then remote..
14:14:09	HCl	then radio stuff..
14:14:13	Zagor	remote is pretty far off
14:14:20	webguest48	yes sound and usb are preferable
14:14:24	webguest48	you're true
14:14:35	HCl	yay, i'm true o.o
14:15:25	Mode	"#rockbox -o Zagor " by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
14:15:34	webguest48	Who are the person who work on rockbox for iriver ?
14:15:52	Bagder	we are many
14:15:56	webguest48	Is linusN alone ?
14:16:00	Zagor	webguest48: there are several people. linusn has done most of the hardware work.
14:16:18	webguest48	yes but for sound and usb it must be difficult
14:16:26	webguest48	are you all able to work on it ?
14:16:32	Zagor	yes
14:16:36	webguest48	waouh
14:17:01	Zagor	since we now have the bootloader, anyone can dig in and help
14:17:02	*	Bagder added a line about iriver on the front page now
14:17:08	Zagor	Bagder: goodie
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14:17:23	webguest48	the sound driver is always to 0%
14:17:26	lImbus	hi
14:17:29	webguest48	or a little more ?
14:17:31	Bagder	always?
14:17:47	Bagder	feel free to join in and increase it
14:18:05	webguest48	if i could
14:18:07	webguest48	:-(
14:18:47	preglow	a good time to learn programming!
14:19:09	webguest48	yes I started to read Rockbox source
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14:19:57	HCl	gah.
14:20:08	elinenbe	hello mighty rockbox hackers.
14:20:16	HCl	its 15 minutes later
14:20:16	elinenbe	good day to the Ondio experts
14:20:25	HCl	and it still hasn't completed a single emu cycle with debug info :x
14:20:30	elinenbe	morning to the iriver engineers
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14:20:37	HCl	hi
14:20:51	elinenbe	bonjour archos kings
14:21:02	Bagder	:-)
14:21:12	*	Bagder spots a man in a good mood
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14:21:39	elinenbe	I don't know if it is a good mood, or I am just a little loopy...
14:21:50	elinenbe	at work until 2am last night... in at 7am this morning!
14:22:19	quelsaruk	then... you are in a good mood
14:22:20	quelsaruk	:D
14:22:30	HCl	ick
14:22:31	HCl	that sucks.
14:23:53	Trevmar	Joerg amiconn, I have an update on the dead USB machine - are you there?
14:24:18	amiconn	I am here
14:25:10	Trevmar	recall that this is a 07 08 machine which seemed to have dead USB, and no partitions on teh internal memory. But if I booted with an MMC card in it then it would recognize the partition on the MMC card
14:26:00	Trevmar	Today I put a non-MV non-hotplug Feb 9 CVS build on the MMC card and managed to flash it into the machine
14:26:38	Trevmar	now I can plug in the MMC card and the USB sees the MMC card, although Win2K blew up (literally 'my computer' quit) when it was trying to read the internal memory
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14:26:40	preglow	but i'm out, see you all later
14:26:42		Quit preglow ("offeti")
14:26:49	Trevmar	thats my summary...
14:27:33	Trevmar	I need to zero whatever is in the main meory contents, I think
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14:27:40	Trevmar	main memory
14:27:42	dwihno	PCI and PCI Express are really, really different?
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14:27:49	dwihno	No compatibility whatsoever?
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14:28:36	Trevmar	Amiconn - I used your trick of plugging in the MMC card after the USB connection was established :)
14:28:42	amiconn	Trevmar: The machine itself also reads the MMC, but not the internal?
14:29:07	Trevmar	that is correct, it cannot find any partitions upon boot, and prompts you to insert the USB and 'fix it'
14:29:12	Zagor	HCl: how fast is it in the simulator?
14:29:20	HCl	Zagor: it doesn't work in the simulator
14:29:25	HCl	from what i could tell from gdb
14:29:26	Zagor	why not?
14:29:32	HCl	its because i'm using non-static variables
14:29:40	HCl	and for some reason that crashes as a library, or something
14:30:10	Trevmar	amiconn- the MMC and partition displays are in this thread http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=395.0
14:30:14	HCl	and i can't use all static ones because then they won't link properly across .o's
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14:36:23	amiconn	Trevmar: The MMC0/MMC1 info in this thread is definitely mixed up (the info for each one starting at "Speed:" is swapped)
14:36:58	Trevmar	Let me print it and doublw check against the machine - 5 minutes...
14:37:02	*	HCl sighs.
14:37:18	HCl	writing to disk on iriver works, right?
14:37:28	Bagder	yes
14:37:40	HCl	cause rockboy should have written an debug file
14:37:44	HCl	and its hdd was blinking all the time
14:37:49	HCl	but i don't see anything..
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14:41:26	lImbus	HCl: looks like you wrote it somewhere else than you thought
14:41:28	HCl	hrm.
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14:43:50	HCl	lImbus: maybe, i think i found the problem.. i forgot O_CREAT
14:44:33	HCl	i'm confused to why it still blinked the hdd led a lot though
14:46:09	HCl	why can't i turn rockbox off while charging?
14:48:47	Trevmar	Amiconn - I have edited the posts to contain the data as it exists right now, after a boot woth non-MV non-HP rockbox while the 256Meg Kingston SD card was in place.
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14:54:05	elinenbe	anyone have any pictures of rockbox running on the iriver target?
14:54:16	HCl	yes
14:54:20	HCl	they're on the site by now
14:56:42	Bagder	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxShots
14:57:10	Bagder	preglow's pics
14:59:00	Zagor	maybe we should shrink them a bit...
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15:01:19	amiconn	Trevmar: Do you have cygwin on your Win2K machine?
15:04:40	Trevmar	yes, on the main one, not the one in the workshop, but they are networked :)
15:05:28	*	HCl yawns
15:05:45	Trevmar	I have cygwin and have been building based on the 9 Frb CVS, which seems pretty stable if MV and HP are not #defined
15:05:56	Trevmar	9 Feb
15:07:19	Trevmar	the non-MV non-HP build seems to run OK on all my machines now. Only the klged one with the apparent;y 'dead' USB (but which I think is a memory contents problem) still remains not working
15:07:50	Trevmar	the non-MV non-HP build seems to run OK on all my machines now. Only the kluged one with the apparently 'dead' USB (but which I think is a memory contents problem) still remains not working
15:08:20	Trevmar	I would like to get a stable base to work from :)
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15:10:03	Trevmar	Amiconn: I seem to have 3 different types of hardware - the 03 08 machines with the old USB chips and the Ac32 - the 2 07 08 machines which reset when hotplugged - and the 07 08 machine which I can physically hotplug OK but which has apparently dead USB (which partly came to life this morning)
15:10:53	*	HCl stares at his iriver
15:11:24	Trevmar	Amiconn: I seem to have 3 different types of hardware in 5 'functioning' Ondios - the 03 08 machines with the old USB chips and the AC32 - the two 07 08 machines which reset when physically hotplugged - and the 07 08 machine which I can physically hotplug OK but which has apparently dead USB (which partly came to life this morning)
15:11:36	*	HCl sighs, wonders why the print to the screen isn't working
15:12:04	Zagor	HCl: you're not simply forgetting lcd_update?
15:16:08	Trevmar	Amiconn: in the Ondio where the USB has trouble with main memory - I am 99% certain that the problem is with the contents of that memory, as it blew up my Win2K shell this morning, and behaves a little differently depending how I try and look at that 'drive.' The USB works fine when I 'physically hotplug' the SD card while the USB is active, I get a proper directory and proper disk access
15:18:58	HCl	Zagor: nah, i messed up on the snprintf, forgot the size thing, so it took the string pointer as the size and my int argument as the string and stuff xD
15:19:15	HCl	but yes, the lcd update scanline function isn't getting called
15:19:19	HCl	this debug info should say why
15:20:59	Trevmar	Amiconn: I have Gentoo Linux running on two machines here which I could connect to the USB if I worked at it... but CVS is not set up in them yet...
15:23:00	HCl	omg i'm having trouble reading this o.o it goes too fast..
15:24:34	amiconn	Trevmar: It would be a good idea to connect the dead-internal-flash Ondio to either a Linux box, or a Windows box with cygwin, then try to dump the internal flash contents (at least the beginning, first megabyte or so) to a file using 'dd'
15:24:44	Zagor	sounds like you're getting lots of debug info
15:24:51	HCl	well, not a lot
15:24:52	HCl	like
15:24:56	HCl	a value, and another value
15:25:01	HCl	and if the first value goes beneath 0
15:25:05	HCl	it should refresh the lcd
15:25:54	HCl	i'll add a sleep thing.
15:28:10	Trevmar	dd - of course - (he says kicking himself repeatedly). Hmm. Maybe I should try with the gentoo laptop first... But I can't guarantee success - I haven't 'hardened' my USB drivers under Linux
15:31:31	ripnetuk	Zagor - did you say you wrote the Linus fat driver :)
15:31:34	HCl	okay.. well, i think we just either need to wait for iriver to speed up or to get rockboy to compile in the simulator
15:31:49	HCl	cause i can't tell whether its messing up or just too slow
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15:32:12	ripnetuk	linux
15:32:39	Zagor	ripnetuk: not the whole driver, but I wrote the patch to add support for Last Free Cluster
15:32:55	ripnetuk	so you are certain that it doesnt use FSINFO to decide where to dump new files then?
15:33:26	[IDC]Dragon	you drive Linus fat, perhaps by spending him too much pizza?
15:33:34	ripnetuk	:)
15:33:36	Zagor	it uses both. LFC is just a hint where to start looking for free space. it's a performance enhancement, nothing else.
15:34:18	Zagor	before my patch, the driver always started looking at cluster 0, which was very slow on big usb1.1 devices.
15:34:20	ripnetuk	hmmm... i just cant figure out why im getting the 'corruption' then./.. ive a feeling im going to learn a lot about fat32 tonight :) im ginna start off by creating a tiny (10 megs) partition that I can easily and quickly backup to store states
15:35:45	ripnetuk	and see if Rockbox writes ANYHING to the disk at all during boot
15:36:26	ripnetuk	and i can also mount it loopback to see if its the usb layer thats going wrong
15:36:29	Zagor	sounds like a good start
15:37:12	ripnetuk	bbl
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15:41:38	Trevmar	amiconn: I need some help with USB under linux. I used 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt -t msdos' to mount up a memory stick OK, now I want to mount the Ondio raw, since I think its filesystem is munged. What mount command will do this?
15:42:11	Bagder	what does "mount raw" mean?
15:42:25	Trevmar	exactly -LOL
15:42:35	amiconn	you don't need to mount at all, you only need the device name (probably /dev/sda in your case)
15:42:45	Trevmar	I want to be able to read and write with DD the first few sectors of the attached USB 'drive'
15:43:01	Trevmar	sheez - dd beats me again - of course...
15:43:02	amiconn	then 'dd if=/dev/sda of=dump_first_mb count=2048'
15:43:40	Trevmar	(I am a bit rusty) thanks for the help
15:48:50	Trevmar	Amiconn: "/dev/sda input/output error"
15:49:26	Trevmar	but the memory stick worked??
15:50:17	Trevmar	memory stick gave 2048+0 records in/out
15:51:04	Trevmar	I couldn't get it to recognize the USB when I had the MMC card in place. Let me try to mount that card instread of DD
15:52:39	Trevmar	no, "/special device /dev/sda1 does not exist" hmmmm
15:54:15	Trevmar	But I plug the USB cable into Win2k and it shows the memory card contents - that is crazy....
15:54:39	Trevmar	I guess I don't have a linux USB driver that recognizes the Ondio :(
15:54:53	amiconn	Maybe it is recognized as a different device than sda. I'm no Linux expert, is there a way to get this info from some usb hotplug log?
15:55:14	Trevmar	oh yes...wait..
15:55:22	Bagder	dmesg shows it
15:56:06	Bagder	irivers can charge via usb, right?
15:56:41	Trevmar	oh /dev/sdb transferred 2048+0 bytes I guess the card manager assigned sda to the memory stick :(
15:57:28	lolo-laptop	Bagder: they can, yeah... but afaics you can't charge via USB and use the player at the same time...
15:58:04	Bagder	ok
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16:00:15	lolo-laptop	Bagder: I was actually wondering if it was possible to use USB to power the player while using the player, but it doesn't look like it...
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16:02:41	Trevmar	Amiconn: if I don't have the Sd card physically hotplugged then I get an error message from dd "input/output device error and if I plug the SD card I get 2048+0 blocks transferred, using the exact same dd command
16:05:18	Trevmar	doesn't that sound like a USB protocol issue to you?
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16:05:41	amiconn	Hmm. Perhpas the internal flash gets another device id? From the PC's view, plugging/unplugging a card in the Ondio is the same as quickly removing & reinserting USB
16:05:43	Zagor	not necessarily. they don't get the same device name.
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16:06:35	Trevmar	I rebooted linux, and this time plugged the Ondio in first. It appears as /dev/sda this time, but will not transfer from the internal memory
16:06:39	webguest15	irivers H1x0 cannot charge via USB !!
16:06:50	Bagder	time to make the feature comparison chart including the iriver original...
16:07:15	Bagder	webguest15: they can't?
16:07:17	bobTHC	so it's time to tease :)
16:07:28	HCl	you can get charge by usb adapters for iriver
16:07:42	webguest15	you caqn charge via a USB cable, but the charger must be connected to the charging plug
16:07:43	Bagder	and what does the adapter do?
16:07:56	Bagder	aha
16:08:01	HCl	Bagder: split an usb connection into power and usb plug
16:08:13	Bagder	ok
16:08:15	webguest15	yes, that's it
16:08:25	Bagder	I won't call that charging by usb
16:08:43	lolo-laptop	Bagder: my bad −− misremembered.
16:08:43	HCl	it depends on how you look at it
16:08:55	Trevmar	Joerg: no response from the internal memory to the dd command even if I look at /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc (which don't exist). When I plug the SD card then the ondio appears at /dev/sda
16:08:59	Bagder	usb on the host side, not on the iriver side
16:09:04	HCl	yup
16:09:16	Bagder	and in this case, I was interested in the iriver side
16:09:24	HCl	nods
16:10:18	Bagder	http://www.rockbox.org/docs/devicechart.html
16:10:39	Trevmar	sorry, I got Zagor confused with [IDC] Dragon :(
16:11:13	Bagder	Zagor's used getting mixed up ;-)
16:11:16	Bagder	but usually with me
16:11:22	Trevmar	:)
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16:14:19	amiconn	Trevmar: So unfortunately the internal flash is probably broken. Unless it's 'only' a trace somewhere, I'm afraid there is nothing to fix. It's a BGA...
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16:16:44	jyp	Starth can do BGA soldering/unsoldering
16:16:54	jyp	(don't ask me how)
16:17:09	Bagder	http://www.rockbox.org/docs/features.html
16:17:25	Bagder	a few gaps, but its a start
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16:18:39	Trevmar	Yes, I hate BGAs. I do have a machine to reflow them, maybe I will fire it up and squirt some fluc under the chip. I can't help thinking of the other two reports we have of USB disappearing with a software revison, and trying to figure out why that could happen
16:18:46	Trevmar	flux
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16:20:12	lolo-laptop	Bagder: probably want to specify that your list is H1X0 because H3X0 will be somewhat different...
16:20:21	Bagder	true
16:21:31	Bagder	let me know if you spot errors or can fill in stuff
16:21:48	Bagder	for example, I can't use playlists on my iriver I can't say anything about it
16:21:54	Bagder	except that it works like crap
16:22:09	lolo-laptop	Bagder: I'm gonna go DL the manuals and look −− I know the iRiver H3 says it only supports 200 songs per playlist
16:22:14	lolo-laptop	and I can check it's load speed shortly.
16:22:21	Bagder	200?
16:22:23	HCl	why is open source saying No for iriver?
16:22:27	*	Bagder falls off his chair
16:22:34	HCl	or does that refer to the original firmware
16:22:34	HCl	?
16:22:39	Bagder	the latter
16:22:46	HCl	ok
16:22:52	Bagder	I could clarify that
16:23:07	amiconn	Bagder: On the chair again ;)
16:23:09	HCl	games should say yes.. cause like, at least rockblox and sokoban work
16:23:28	Bagder	HCl: in rockbox yes
16:23:31	Bagder	on iriver no
16:23:33	HCl	oh
16:23:35	HCl	my bad
16:23:40	Bagder	hehe
16:23:47	HCl	sorry
16:23:49	HCl	i'm sleepy
16:24:02	*	amiconn thinks of a redesign of the feature comparison table...
16:24:10	HCl	i think the max number of songs on iriver is 9999
16:25:01	*	lolo-laptop waiting for large PDF manuals to download to check...
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16:25:09	amiconn	...showing one feature per row, and then having double-columns per supported device to the right.
16:25:46	amiconn	Each double column woud show one device, left half being rockbox features, right half being original fw features
16:26:28	lolo-laptop	yes, that would be good
16:26:29	Bagder	could work
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16:27:52	*	jyp coughs
16:27:57	amiconn	Even archos fw features are not identical for all supported devices. The current table says text viewer = yes in Archos fw. but iirc this is only true for Ondio.
16:28:05	lolo-laptop	H120 can see up to 2000 folders and 9999 songs, but that doesn't mean it's playlists can be that big
16:28:48	Zagor	amiconn: text viewer works on all bitmap models at least
16:29:16	amiconn	Zagor: I mean the archos fw. I didn't find a text viewer in my v1's original fw...
16:29:31	Zagor	oh
16:29:36	amiconn	Of course the rockbox text viewer works for all models
16:29:41	HCl	does anyone have any idea why i wouldn't be able to use global non-static variables in a plugin? mostly when talking about the simulator
16:29:42	amiconn	...even the player
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16:30:09	lolo-laptop	"A total of 200 playlists can be recognized" says H140 manual... how useful of it.
16:30:32	quel\|out	amiconn: archos original firmware had a text viewer
16:30:38	quel\|out	i used it once
16:30:41	amiconn	Zagor: Speaking about the text viewer - if I ever get to rewrite it (it has a number of problems) would it be good/allowed to replace the current one?
16:31:19	Bagder	jyp: does it link fine now?
16:31:28	jyp	no
16:31:34	Bagder	darn
16:31:43	Zagor	amiconn: yes, certainly
16:32:05	Trevmar	Amiconn, if the internal Ondio memory was bad then the USB would surely still be able to access it? How is the USB switched from looking at the MMC memory to looking atthe internal memory?
16:32:23	*	HCl sighs.
16:32:34	jyp	actually, since we have no bootloader now, the linker script can't be really finalized
16:32:40	Trevmar	I do understand the memory uses a serial protocol
16:33:10	Lynx_awy	HCl: gnuboy acting up? :)
16:33:10	amiconn	Maybe if the mem is corrupt it confuses the bridge.
16:33:21	HCl	Lynx_awy: well, i have no way to tell whether it malfunctions or not...
16:33:38	HCl	since as it is at the moment, it never gets to the refresh lcd scanline function
16:33:47	HCl	so i need more speed
16:33:52	HCl	but it won't compile for the simulator
16:33:57	HCl	it crashes on non-static variables
16:34:04	amiconn	Trevmar: The selection is done by switching the clock gate circuit (the AC08), either enabling or disabling the clock for the internal flash
16:34:05	Trevmar	is there any way we can zero the main memory in the Ondio - like an 'initialize.rock' file - to set it all to E%s
16:34:13	HCl	i need to know how i can work around that
16:34:24	jyp	Bagder, I have a version of the link script for my testing envirronment though.
16:34:27	HCl	if i can't, i'm thinking of a function that'll return the address of a static variable, rather inefficient
16:35:02	jyp	Maybe I shall post a path for you to have a look at it
16:35:06	jyp	patch
16:35:16	HCl	thanks..
16:35:21	HCl	the source of rockboy is on my ftp
16:35:27	Lynx_awy	HCl: hmm, i'm sure not the right person to help...what do you mean by more speed?
16:35:37	Trevmar	is it possible that the USB steering is putting a noise spike out the the memory and getting the handshake logic confused?
16:35:58	HCl	Lynx_awy: faster cpu to run it on -> either the iriver getting set to 140mhz (which might still be too slow) or running it in the simulator
16:36:21	Lynx_awy	HCl: why can't you tell if it works even if it runs really slowly?
16:36:48	HCl	Lynx_awy: because it never even gets to calling the lcd refresh function
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16:37:27	HCl	i added a lcd_putsxy to the refresh function
16:37:39	HCl	and make it always make a black line
16:37:50	Lynx_	HCl: i think i don't really know enough of the stuff to understand that ;)
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16:46:52	amiconn	Zagor: Things I consider for rewriting the text viewer: (1) Fix handling of different line feeds (unix/ dos/ mac). (2) Proper proportional font support. (3) Configuration via menu instead of all those odd key combos, with config save.
16:47:34	Zagor	amiconn: sounds good to me
16:48:30	amiconn	Proportional fonts are of course not for the player ;)
16:48:58	Zagor	wuss :)
16:50:17	Trevmar	Amiconn - I am going now. If you need me then please email to get my attention, I probably won't watch IRC very often
16:51:13	thegeek	HCl : GO!, you can do it:)
16:52:03	HCl	lol.
16:52:11	HCl	i'm trying to get the simulator working..
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16:57:08	HCl	i'm trying a nasty hack at the moment
16:57:54	amiconn	Zagor: I even thought about porting cube.rock to the player (new lcd only). 8 udg chars yield 14x20 pixel graphics...
16:59:07	amiconn	(sounds weird, I know)
16:59:53	HCl	:P
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17:00:10	HCl	sounds like too much trouble for a cube animation
17:00:45	amiconn	It's way easier than porting a gameboy emu... ;)
17:01:00	HCl	i dunno.
17:02:38	HCl	what joys. it hangs in the emu as soon as it even attempts to enter gnuboy code.
17:02:43	HCl	in the sim*
17:03:52	*	HCl sighs.
17:03:55	Zagor	amiconn: would be a fun trick. i'm actually surprised/dissapointed nobody has done bitmap graphics on the players yet.
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17:06:26	Zagor	gotta go
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17:09:53	Zagor	btw, just spotted this: http://dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.1049
17:10:07	amiconn	Zagor: I alread ydid bitmap gfx on the player!
17:10:22	amiconn	See the charging screen animation.
17:10:33	amiconn	It's similar to the recorder version
17:10:39	Zagor	ah, never seen that on player :-)
17:10:48	amiconn	You need to flash.. ;)
17:10:53	Zagor	really going now...
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17:14:04	HCl	nice :)
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17:31:33	HCl	so... who's an x11 simulator wizard?
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18:55:50	Tang	Hello
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18:58:50	preglow	whee
18:59:10	Tang	whee?
18:59:12	Tang	;)
18:59:18	Tang	hi preglow
18:59:19	Tang	:)
18:59:26	preglow	hello
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19:01:26	HCl	hey
19:02:39	Tang	Sorry i'm quite busy
19:02:49	Tang	since i've no personal connection anymore
19:03:31	Tang	all my MSN contact are in a hurry when i come here
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19:16:08	*	HCl prods people
19:16:44	thegeek	mhm?
19:16:52	thegeek	working?
19:16:53	thegeek	;)
19:17:08	HCl	no
19:17:15	HCl	i need someone to help me to get it running on the simulator
19:17:22	thegeek	ok
19:17:32	thegeek	well, I'm not your guy then, sorry
19:18:11	HCl	its ok.....
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20:50:45	iriver	hi folks!
20:50:56	iriver	Any developers present?
20:51:50	iriver	I couldn't seem to find a circular FIFO implement in the current RockBox source code
20:52:13	amiconn	look in mpeg.c
20:52:24	iriver	ok
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20:53:40	Tang	Hi Iriver
20:53:51	Tang	you're not a real Iriver memeber i hope?
20:56:33	preglow	ofcourse he is, he's here to get some quality code for their next firmware ;)
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21:04:19	*	HCl mrf.
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21:04:51	webguest68	we didn't see LinusN of the day ?
21:04:54	webguest68	:-(
21:05:02	preglow	what?
21:05:07	preglow	he has been here, if that's what you mean
21:05:18	webguest68	yes it's what i mean
21:05:21	webguest68	this morning ?
21:05:47	preglow	round 12ish
21:05:50	preglow	cet
21:08:57	Tang	lol okay preglow i understood the joke
21:09:20	Tang	if he'd be from iRiver i would have kicked it
21:09:34	Tang	(lol no moderation ability ;)
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21:16:05	iriver	queue_init, queue_post, queue_wait etc.which are present in kernel.c seems useful.
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21:21:20	Digital007	Hi iriver owners
21:22:43	iriver	hi
21:23:10	Digital007	I found a fix for now in regard to the iRiver shuffle bug
21:23:41	iriver	ok - what?
21:23:45	Tang	?
21:23:56	Digital007	Do you have Windows or Linux?
21:24:00	iriver	both
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21:27:01	iriver	who needs a fix anyway - we'll soon have RockBox rocking! :)
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21:38:49	Digital007	yea minus the sound
21:40:27	*	HCl prods rockboy and sighs.
21:42:41	*	HCl goes to tinker with it more
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21:49:18	*	HCl remember the idea he had earlier
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21:49:51	HCl	its linus! yay :3
21:50:08	HCl	how's the god of the iriver hardware today? :x
21:50:32	LinusN	i don't know, never met him
21:50:43	lImbus	hehe
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21:53:03	Digital007	all we need is sound for iriverbox
21:57:13	LinusN	:-)
21:57:29	Digital007	rockbox is no use without sound :(
21:57:32	HCl	:P
21:57:44	HCl	well,
21:57:49	HCl	i could do with a little more speed too
21:58:01	LinusN	working on it...
21:58:35	HCl	lol, i'm not in a hurry
21:58:40	HCl	better do it properly than do it fast
21:58:49	HCl	(and possibly not correctly)
21:58:54	rasher	better do both :)
21:58:56	HCl	yup
21:58:57	HCl	:p
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21:59:16	quel\|out	hi
21:59:24	HCl	hi quelperson
21:59:27	HCl	how goes?
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21:59:40	quelsaruk	hopefully all ok :)
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22:00:20	*	amiconn is crazy
22:00:30	quelsaruk	what happens amiconn?
22:00:33	amiconn	cube is running on the player :)
22:00:39	LinusN	haha
22:00:40	lImbus	lol
22:00:41	quelsaruk	hmm
22:00:45	amiconn	Really!
22:00:47	quelsaruk	cube running on the player?
22:00:47	HCl	nice :p
22:00:51	quelsaruk	:O
22:00:53	quelsaruk	hmmm
22:01:13	quelsaruk	player lcd != bitmap lcd.... isn't it?
22:01:18	lImbus	I suppose you are VERY quickly writing the char rom ?
22:01:18	amiconn	yup.
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22:01:24	LinusN	that's why he's crazy
22:01:32	quelsaruk	amiconn: how many goats?
22:01:35	HCl	rom?
22:01:37	HCl	or ram?
22:01:44	LinusN	rhum
22:01:50	lImbus	tumble
22:01:58	lImbus	argl s/tumble/rumble
22:02:00	amiconn	lImbus: That's an even better idea... currently I'm doing 20x14 pixels with the 8 udg char
22:02:02	amiconn	+s
22:02:11	HCl	lol, its just that you can't have unlimited writes to rom, while you can have unlimited writes to ram
22:02:18	Domonoky_	cool cube on player.. :-)
22:02:18	lImbus	ow
22:02:40	lImbus	is there a player sim ? have to see that
22:02:51	lImbus	even more intresting: will it work on the sim ?
22:02:54	amiconn	There is a player sim... and it even works there
22:03:04	lImbus	cvs up -Pd
22:03:06	lImbus	hehe
22:03:08	*	Domonoky_ would like to test that on his player :-)
22:03:17	amiconn	It's a bit slower than on the target
22:03:39	quelsaruk	i'm amazed
22:03:42	lImbus	speed is only a matter of alcohol :-)
22:03:50	quelsaruk	amiconn: how did you do that fantastic magic?
22:04:51	amiconn	As I said: There are 8 characters that can be user defined. This allows for 2 rows at 4 chars each. A character is 5x7 pixels, so I get a total of 14x20 pixels
22:05:02	amiconn	The rest is a matter of bit operations
22:05:20	quelsaruk	interesting
22:05:21	quelsaruk	:)
22:05:51	amiconn	I put all this in the plugin lib (playergfx.[ch]). Maybe someone else wants to reuse it
22:05:59	lImbus	hehe
22:06:24	lImbus	I remember those crazy demos BlueChip did with the grayscale framework
22:06:29	amiconn	For now, there are only drawline() and drawpixel(), but adding the rest is straightforward imho
22:07:17	amiconn	I don't know any grayscale demos by BlueChip. He wrote his own gfx lib, but this wasn't grayscale
22:08:09	lImbus	ah ok, I'm mixing it up then
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22:08:51	*	[IDC]Dragon has no Player :-(
22:08:59	amiconn	;-/
22:09:05	amiconn	Try it in the sim!
22:09:18	[IDC]Dragon	is it committed?
22:09:37	amiconn	Not yet, but about to..
22:09:52	*	HCl sighs.
22:10:27	HCl	who can find me a proper gameboy test rom thats small, works for regular gameboy, is well documented, and has an disassembly dump with correct addresses?
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22:10:52	[IDC]Dragon	how about 20*14 .rvf files?
22:11:30	amiconn	That may even work...
22:11:43	Domonoky_	:-)
22:12:48	[IDC]Dragon	audio will be a problem, your bitmap is barely enough for the audio frame header
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22:13:25	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: ??
22:13:40	amiconn	I thought audio & video are interleaved?
22:13:45	[IDC]Dragon	yes
22:13:59	amiconn	So this would merely mean audio blocks are bigger than video blocks
22:14:10	[IDC]Dragon	video frames are a plain bitmap
22:14:12	redcow	hi, i tested the rockbox iriver bootloader, and now the player is stopped at "Loading firmware Result: -1" is that normal ? i can go back to the original firmware using the "record" button, its a iriver h120 with eu firmware
22:14:29	[IDC]Dragon	audio frames are the same size, but have a little header
22:14:39	rasher	redcow: you need a copy of rockbox on the harddisk
22:14:52	redcow	argh stupid me
22:14:53	[IDC]Dragon	and are linked
22:15:10	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: I thought the blocks are variable size....
22:15:13	LinusN	redcow: the new upcoming boot loader will behave better
22:15:16	rasher	redcow: http://www.rockbox.org/daily/h100/rockbox-h100-20050210.zip copy that to the root and unzip
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22:15:45	redcow	you cant believe what shock i had when i saw "-1"
22:15:48	redcow	=)
22:15:57	rasher	LinusN: but wouldn't it be more confusing? Unless of course you're displaying a message saying what's happening
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22:16:41	[IDC]Dragon	amiconn: we could extend the format
22:16:43	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: A player lcd video bitmap would need a somewhat strange format. The pattern definitions for each char are row-wise, so you need 7 bytes, of which only the 5 lsbs are used
22:16:44	LinusN	rasher: you mean to start the original if rockbox.iriver can't be found?
22:17:13	rasher	LinusN: yes.
22:17:33	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: One video frame would then be 56 bytes "large"
22:17:39	redcow	so i can replace the "rockbox directory" with every new "version" and the bootloader keeps for the moment
22:17:55	LinusN	confusing, maybe, but i think you want it to start immediately if you remove rockbox.iriver
22:17:57	quelsaruk	rasher: error must be strange, annoying and unable to be understood ;)
22:18:16	LinusN	for example if you don't want to hold rec every time to start the original
22:19:06	rasher	I guess, but people who don't know that you need rockbox on the harddisk will just see "It's not booting rockbox no matter what!"
22:19:12	redcow	yes it works
22:19:17	redcow	without recalc with h120
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22:19:29	redcow	rox =)
22:20:04	LinusN	rasher: at this point, people who don't understand this are not supposed to install the boot loader
22:20:18	rasher	:)
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22:20:42	iriver	How are the I2S pins (BKCI/SYSCLK, WSI, DATAI) on the UT1338 connected to the Motorola MCF5249?
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22:21:01	LinusN	it isn't in the schematics?
22:21:26	iriver	maybe I have not looked well enough :)
22:21:46	LinusN	maybe i haven't come that far with the schematics
22:22:27	iriver	Let's take a look :)
22:22:27	redcow	lol started batterie test now it doesnt switch off anymore, and red led keeps blinking
22:25:03	redcow	"I03:AddrErr at 1000029C"
22:25:27	quelsaruk	hmmm
22:25:56	quelsaruk	LinusN: battery test writes a file and reads it, emulating playback, isn't it?
22:26:02	LinusN	yes
22:26:24	quelsaruk	and is file writing posible in the iriver right now?
22:26:28	LinusN	yes
22:26:34	quelsaruk	oh
22:26:41	redcow	so now, i have to wait ?
22:26:48	quelsaruk	i thought you could only boot and mess with the browser
22:26:53	LinusN	redcow: reset it
22:26:57	redcow	how?
22:27:10	LinusN	put a needle in the reset hole
22:27:17	LinusN	next to the usb connector
22:27:28	LinusN	or the tip of a pencil
22:27:35	redcow	yeah ur right, didnt see that
22:27:36	LinusN	paper clip
22:28:09	iriver	I still was only find I2C control pins for the CODEC. I can't find the I2S pins on the cpu.pdf.
22:28:46	redcow	ready again :)
22:28:53	iriver	insert "able to" someway :)
22:29:23	amiconn	Player gfx lib and cube.rock adaption committed.
22:29:49	LinusN	iriver: guess i have work to do then :-)
22:31:03	redcow	quick question, now i can mess with plugins and try to change things in rockbox , as long the original firmware boots with the bootloader there is no risk?
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22:31:15	LinusN	exactly
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22:31:30	amiconn	Argh! with my latest change it now flickers badly in the sim :(
22:31:34	redcow	great
22:32:33	*	LinusN has an idea
22:32:52	LinusN	how about this: if the iriver is started with the remote, it always starts the original
22:33:00	*	quelsaruk is surprised, LinusN with an idea
22:33:04	quelsaruk	;)
22:33:16	LinusN	temporary solution until we 1) support the remote and 2) play music
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22:33:37	LinusN	then you can have your iriver in your pocket and don't have to hold rec to start the original
22:33:55	redcow	yes sounds good
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22:34:57	rasher	that sounds really great
22:35:13	HCl	i agree
22:36:14	lImbus	err. why would anyone have the iriver in the pocket if even the music is not yet working ?
22:36:34	lImbus	why would anyone try to start the unit out of the pocket, precisely ?
22:36:36	LinusN	lImbus: to play with the original formware
22:36:44	redcow	snake2 rox
22:36:47	HCl	hrm.
22:36:53	redcow	you can play with the plugins
22:36:59	iriver	I almost never use the remote... How about making a bootloader which loads the original by default instead, until Rockbox support audio playback.
22:37:05	LinusN	i have my unit in the pocket, and use the remote
22:37:12	HCl	for anyone who's interested in rockboy dev... there's a version on my ftp that shows what instructions its executing, its very, very slow cause of that showing though..
22:37:18	redcow	yeah iriver, but that sux for developer
22:37:27	LinusN	iriver: i can do that
22:37:35	redcow	so they have to change their rockbox version because i dont think they want to press always record
22:37:37	lImbus	ah, yes of course. me silly
22:37:43	iriver	two different versions would be fine
22:38:01	lImbus	i thought the iriver would be useless until rockbox would be running with codecs :-%
22:38:11	iriver	I will keep the default Rockbox version :)
22:38:26	preglow	why? rockbox is more or less only usable by developers as it is. developers don't want to press record all the time.
22:38:52	redcow	until codecs works i play with the plugins and try to write some, sounds funny
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22:42:05	preglow	why so many @labb.contactor.se addresses?
22:42:18	iriver	so far developers still have to load the original firmware to upload a newly compiled rockbox.iriver.
22:42:35	Sucka	arrrr
22:42:37	lImbus	preglow: thats the webclient (cgi::irc)
22:42:42	preglow	ahh, that explains it
22:42:45	Sucka	keep up the good work guys :)
22:42:51	lImbus	preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/cgiirc/irc.cgi
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22:43:23	preglow	heh, i prefer irssi
22:43:41	muz	hey guys nice stuff with the iriver pictures
22:43:52	preglow	yes, they are nice pictures, aren't they
22:43:56	muz	hows the mp3 codec thing going?
22:44:02	preglow	muz: forward
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22:44:10	muz	yeah i made the directory picture my desktop wallpaper
22:44:22	preglow	haha
22:44:40	preglow	i really should take some better ones
22:44:43	lImbus	amiconn: thats insane
22:44:50	preglow	but laziness wins
22:44:54	lImbus	I just ran the cube.rock on sim
22:45:21	muz	is there any chance u can take some more photos?
22:45:29	preglow	muz: yes, but of what?
22:45:43	muz	um other stuff like config menus
22:45:44	amiconn	lImbus: I just committed a version that doesn't flicker like mad in the sim
22:45:53	muz	other fonts etc
22:46:05	iriver	my RockBox simulator does not work probably - the keys does not respond correctly
22:46:11	preglow	muz: i might, but not now, tomorrow, perhaps
22:46:20	muz	thanks
22:46:29	iriver	i can only browser dirs and "play" mp3
22:46:30	HCl	oi.
22:46:36	HCl	i certainly hope i'm not this stupid... :X
22:46:37	preglow	HCl: so, anything new?
22:46:39	iriver	I can�t enter the option menu
22:46:58	HCl	i just.. kind of.. found out.. that i was supposed to set fb.enable to 1 in my iriver video interface >.>;;;
22:47:08	preglow	HCl: oh, when it comes to programming, i've sometimes considered having myself tested for down's syndrome
22:47:13	muz	is that for ur rockboy?
22:47:21	HCl	muz: mhm
22:47:22	HCl	preglow: :P
22:47:24	preglow	HCl: ahahahah
22:47:40	iriver	where is the "A/B" key on the simulator to load the option menu?
22:48:01	amiconn	iriver: You can. X11 or Win32 simulator?
22:48:05	iriver	X11
22:48:30	HCl	iriver: insert
22:48:42	Domonoky_	wow.. cube on player looks nice..
22:49:01	*	HCl checks what that enable flag does >.>
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22:49:16	muz	do playlists work on iriver?
22:49:19	amiconn	iriver: Use either the decimal separator (numpad), or the insert key
22:49:32	Bagder	muz: not in a sane way, no
22:49:35	LinusN	muz: yes, but it can't play music
22:49:56	Bagder	ah, you meant with Rockbox
22:49:58	hubble	iriver: (i read the irc-log) the coldfire have two i2s outputs.. must be either of them =)
22:50:17	muz	and if you connect via usb with rockbox running does it come up as normal?
22:50:18	iriver	console just says: received ev 65379 when I'm pressing insert. It does not respond.
22:50:42	redcow	ok thanks guys, cya
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22:50:51	*	HCl certainly hopes that fb.enabled was initialized to 0, since it might explain bugs and stuff
22:50:52	LinusN	muz: from the wiki page: "usb detection: no"
22:50:56	Bagder	muz: read the wiki
22:51:03	iriver	hubble: I will look in the MCF manual :)
22:51:11	muz	i read it i just thought usb detection was a hardware thing
22:51:17	muz	sorrry
22:52:08	amiconn	iriver: Try the decimal separator (point or comma depending on your locale) on the numeric keypad
22:52:46	iriver	hubble: You mean the IEC958 output pins. GPO36 GPO37
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22:52:58	lImbus	is that the win32 iRiver simulator you are talking about ? can't build that one since while
22:53:45	amiconn	No, X11. Anyway, I can build both just fine.
22:54:10	muz	sorry to keep askin questions but what is the main priority now with the iriver project?
22:54:17	lImbus	kk, so it's a local problem, will look for that
22:54:33	amiconn	You may need to reconfigure
22:54:41	hubble	iriver: no IEC958 is SPDIF, i guess the CPU is connected using I2C to the CODEC?
22:54:49	lImbus	I just did. and I also build the tools before
22:54:51	hubble	iriver: err. and I2S
22:54:57	Bagder	muz: whatever you wanna do
22:56:01	muz	Bagder: i think sound then usb....
22:56:07	Bagder	I want to see a photo of cube on a player!
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22:56:23	rasher	video!
22:56:26	hubble	iriver: port 1) SCL1/SDATAO1/LRCK1/SDATAI1 L12/L13/N14/K13
22:56:48	Bagder	muz: my point is that each developer works with what he/she thinks is fun
22:56:56	hubble	iriver: port 2) SDATAO2/SCL2/LRCK2 P14/N13/P13
22:57:09	preglow	Bagder: what cube?
22:57:20	*	[IDC]Dragon also wants to see
22:57:20	iriver	hubble: which manual and page are you looking at?
22:57:36	Bagder	preglow: the cube, the rockbox plugin
22:57:41	preglow	ahh
22:57:42	[IDC]Dragon	jpeg viewer on the player!
22:57:57	lImbus	hehe
22:58:00	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: First we'd need a grayscale lib...
22:58:01	LinusN	i just uploaded a new bootloader.bin
22:58:03	Bagder	preglow: the player is character based with a few reprogrammable charactres
22:58:07	preglow	well, you just added one to the wiki, but i guess you remember that, so there's something i'm not getting :V
22:58:09	[IDC]Dragon	is the cube in grayscale?
22:58:10	preglow	ahhh
22:58:12	preglow	you mean the archos player
22:58:15	Bagder	yes
22:58:22	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: no.
22:58:24	preglow	i thought you meant any player
22:58:24	Bagder	"player" being a particular Archos model
22:58:29	Bagder	ah
22:58:30	[IDC]Dragon	just kidding
22:58:32	preglow	well, well, does it have aalib? :P
22:58:40	lImbus	LOL
22:58:46	Bagder	preglow: it has amiconn's brand new gfxlib
22:59:01	hubble	iriver: MCF5429UM.pdf, Section 17.2 Serial Audio interface (i2s) for example
22:59:01	Bagder	don't you guys READ the commit mails? ;-]
22:59:03	lImbus	we do need no aalib
22:59:17	lImbus	we got amiconn
22:59:33	amiconn	However, I'm also thinking about a grayscale cube (for the bitmapped devices with grayscale lib)
22:59:34	preglow	Bagder: actually, i'm not on the commit list, but that's probably not a bad idea
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23:00:08	Bagder	amiconn: I take it you saw the ipod version?
23:00:14	amiconn	yup
23:00:35	amiconn	However, this may need some more speedup of the grayscale lib. Not impossible...
23:01:06	amiconn	lImbus: Already tried the flicker-free version?
23:01:12	Bagder	LinusN: good boot work!
23:01:20	Bagder	shoeshine!
23:01:25	LinusN	:-)
23:01:41	lImbus	amiconn: I thought so. But it still flickers.
23:01:43	muz	LinusN: whats changed?
23:01:59	LinusN	1) It checks the Hold button
23:02:04	amiconn	Bagder: If the iPod can do it, rockbox surely can too...
23:02:11	LinusN	2) It starts the original if started from the remote
23:02:16	LinusN	3) It's faster
23:02:25	hubble	amiconn: did you code a polyfiller for iriver? :)
23:02:27	Bagder	amiconn: well, ipods have more CPU power than the SH-ones
23:02:29	LinusN	4) It starts the original if rockbox.iriver can't be loaded
23:02:30	preglow	LinusN: great, great, what did you do to make it faster?
23:02:42	muz	awesome work linus
23:02:46	LinusN	smarter length check
23:02:49	amiconn	hubble: Nope.
23:03:05	preglow	ahh, so the delay around the checksum screen is actually necessary?
23:03:12	preglow	i thought that was for reading values
23:03:29	LinusN	which delay do you mean?
23:03:49	amiconn	Bagder: Maybe they have more cpu power, so we have to code more efficiently... :)
23:04:02	Bagder	hehe
23:04:09	Bagder	that's the spirit!
23:04:37	LinusN	hey, we did filled vector graphics on the c64
23:04:37	preglow	LinusN: right after the rockbox.iriver is loaded, and you can view length and checksum
23:04:50	preglow	damn, you make me want to watch 2nd reality on a c64 again
23:04:54	LinusN	yes, the checksum calculation takes a while
23:05:14	LinusN	preglow: no, no, no, you should watch The Last Traktor III
23:05:49	preglow	i haven't got a c64 handy at the moment, so that will have to be on an emulator :/
23:05:54	HCl	wee.
23:05:55	HCl	finally
23:05:58		Part [IDC]Dragon
23:05:59	HCl	i got a hit on it accessing the lcd
23:06:03	HCl	unfortunately
23:06:10	HCl	i messed up on snprintf and used it as sprintf again
23:06:13	HCl	so it crashed horribly
23:06:13	HCl	xD
23:06:34	iriver	LinusN: can you tell/measure if tx I2S port1 or port2 is connected to the UDA1380TT?
23:06:44	Sucka	is the iriver hardware more powerful than the old gameboy hardware or not?
23:06:48	LinusN	iriver: not at the moment
23:06:54	preglow	LinusN: you were a c64 scener?
23:06:55	Sucka	(at HCl)
23:07:03	LinusN	preglow: Boogaloo/HZ
23:07:07	preglow	cool
23:07:20	HCl	Sucka: yes, but emulation always takes a big bite out of speed
23:07:38	Sucka	:(
23:07:47	preglow	i didn't discover the scene until my pc days
23:07:50	LinusN	preglow: HZ == Horizon
23:07:55	preglow	LinusN: i gathered as much
23:08:01	preglow	sure as hell didn't know of it when i had my c64, heh
23:08:19	LinusN	poor you
23:08:32	preglow	i agree, but i was also too young to have done much
23:08:48	preglow	that was around the time when i discovered what programming was
23:10:17		Part muz
23:11:09	amiconn	Hmm, somehow iRiver sims don't work anymore...
23:11:31	amiconn	They compile just fine (both X11 and Win32), but if I start them, they quit immediately
23:11:37	HCl	mine worked
23:11:46	HCl	but i haven't cvs updated lately
23:11:58	iriver	mine works,but not my keys to control it
23:12:33	amiconn	iriver: Latest cvs?
23:13:00	iriver	i updated today and compile the sim today... but had to make some minor correction to compile it
23:13:14	HCl	hrm..
23:13:15	LinusN	amiconn: works for me
23:13:18	LinusN	(X11)
23:13:27	iriver	X11
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23:15:15	iriver	Why is it not possible to turn off RockBox when the charger is inserted. That makes no sense for the iRiver player, since it can continue charging while powered down.
23:15:46	Bagder	iriver: update
23:16:00	iriver	I update daily
23:16:01	LinusN	iriver: you should either subscribe to the CVS mainling list, or check the rockbox.org front page
23:16:06	preglow	LinusN: would you care to verify bootloader.bin md5? d2c530a6c8293abfcb448618cebe2304
23:16:45	iriver	ohhh :) Just seen it: iRiver: Allow shutdown when charging
23:17:02	LinusN	80e44bcff74ebcbaa074392e657a1442
23:17:12	preglow	gcc 3.4.3 here
23:17:19	preglow	i guess you're not using that, hen
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23:18:38	XShocK	02bbc39e612d7d87f4a6d92abf5b6e69 *bootloader.bin
23:18:39	amiconn	LinusN: Just updated, reconfigured and rebuilt. Still doesn't work here (X11 on cygwin)
23:18:58	Bagder	x11 iriver worked fine here just now
23:19:02	Bagder	sim
23:19:04	preglow	great, three different md5s
23:19:30	Bagder	recorder x11 sim too
23:20:24	LinusN	amiconn: remove sector3d.bin
23:21:17	amiconn	That doesn't help...
23:21:56	Bagder	amiconn: what happens?
23:21:56	LinusN	amiconn: gdb is your friend
23:21:57	amiconn	Recorder & player sims work fine (both X11 and Win32)
23:22:41	amiconn	Bagder: The sim immediately quits. X11 shows no message, Win32 briefly pops up the text windows.
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23:23:16	Bagder	it is... gdb time ;-)
23:23:33	Bagder	seriously, I don't understand why
23:24:05	webguest30	linusN : did youtest the new bootloader on your own iriver ?
23:24:17	LinusN	webguest30: of course
23:24:26	webguest30	i am afraid to break my own iriver
23:24:36	LinusN	then don't install the boot loader
23:24:40	preglow	then i suggest you don't do this
23:24:46	webguest30	i have the first
23:24:59	preglow	it'll never be completely safe
23:25:16	webguest30	i know that
23:25:20	webguest30	but want particpate to rockbox dev
23:25:22	LinusN	it has a pretty good track record so far :-)
23:25:25	preglow	heh
23:25:39	preglow	webguest30: i'll be flashing it soonish
23:25:43	preglow	LinusN: but yeah, what gcc do you use?
23:26:05	*	HCl sighs.
23:26:28	webguest30	did a person compile the new bootloader and test it ?
23:26:30	jyp	I've got a committable linker script for gmini
23:26:34	webguest30	excpet linusN
23:27:09	jyp	which requires an extra option in configure
23:27:10	Bagder	jyp: cool
23:27:21	LinusN	webguest30: i uploaded my bootloader.bin to the wiki page
23:27:22	Bagder	jyp: what's that option?
23:27:33	webguest30	yes i'm stupid
23:27:35	webguest30	sorry
23:27:38	jyp	loading address of the firmware
23:28:01	Patr3ck	preglow: my md5sum matches yours (gcc 3.4.2)
23:28:11	Bagder	jyp: what kind of choices do you have?
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23:28:19	jyp	Bagder, more target address
23:28:42	jyp	Bagder, well, it asks for an integer (hex)
23:28:54	muesli-	morning ladiez :-D
23:29:21	jyp	Basically, this won't be fixed until we have a working bootloader
23:29:43	Bagder	jyp: so why would people use different addresses?
23:30:27	lImbus	hi muesli-
23:30:38	jyp	for example, the bootloader will have a different address; and different models will probably have a different target address
23:31:29	Bagder	jyp: there's already a boot-loader option you could re-use, and there's a separate question for target
23:31:41	Bagder	but hey
23:31:47	Bagder	if you want one, go ahead
23:32:10	Bagder	just make sure it only appears for gmini builds
23:32:15	jyp	It won't be asked for other targets
23:34:01	jyp	I'm nore or less certain that this will need to be changed; but there's no better solution until we have a bootloader (or something else)
23:34:06	preglow	LinusN: now, that isn't an ACTUAL raytracer written in 6510 assembler, now is it? ;)
23:34:08	XShocK	does cvs uisimulator work in win32? mine doesn't
23:34:17	jyp	and after this is committed I'll be in sync
23:35:16	amiconn	XShocK: Mine doesn't as well, as is the case with the X11 sim (on cygwin)
23:35:55	HCl	hrm.
23:36:37	*	HCl scratches his head
23:38:19	HCl	okay. well. my routine to detect what scanline i had to map to was totally broken..
23:38:32	*	lImbus wonders if this channel will hit the 50 users mark tonight.
23:38:45	*	HCl will just wait for linuxstb to wake up and see whether he is interested in helping
23:40:02	LinusN	preglow: no, it's precalculated on an amiga (with our own raytracer, of course)
23:40:28	preglow	LinusN: i like the glenz mapping, haven't seen that on a c64 before
23:40:36	LinusN	:-)
23:40:46	preglow	very crystal dreams-ish, heh
23:40:52	LinusN	hehe
23:42:05	amiconn	LinusN: I'm not really familiar with gdb :( What I just did: 'gdb ./rockboxui' and then 'start'
23:42:16	amiconn	Now it tells me:
23:42:16	preglow	time for a sid party
23:42:22	Bagder	jyp: it would be cool with some photos of a Gmini running Rockbox, for the new photo page
23:42:27	amiconn	Breakpoint 1 at 0x401777: file ../x11/screenhack.c, line 364.
23:42:27	amiconn	Starting program: /home/Administrator/rb-patched/simulator-build/z11-iriver/rockboxui.exe
23:42:27	amiconn	Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
23:42:27	DBUG	Enqueued KICK amiconn
23:42:27	amiconn	0x0040150a in screenhack_handle_event (dpy=0x401750, event=0x0, release=0x0, repeat=0x1)
23:42:28	amiconn	at ../x11/screenhack.c:249
23:42:28	***	Alert Mode level 1
23:42:28	amiconn	249 lasttime = event->xkey.time;
23:42:41	Bagder	event is NULL
23:42:42	LinusN	there you have it :-)
23:42:51	amiconn	???
23:42:57	LinusN	event=0x0
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23:43:34	amiconn	Yeah, but why? Hmmm. It used to work a few days ago...
23:43:59	jyp	Bagder, sure, but now there's too much stuff to fit in the free space on my gmini sp; so I'm stalled by the bootloader
23:44:17	jyp	I'm wrking on the emu in the meantime
23:44:44	Bagder	I see. Just just as cool photos ;-)
23:44:50	Bagder	just not
23:47:15	amiconn	The win32 sim segfaults in tree.c (line 825)...
23:48:14	XShocK	i have seg fault in 830 in tree.c
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23:49:01	iriver	the dbtree filetree was not correctly include when I compiled the sim for Linux
23:49:41	amiconn	XShocK: Yeah, now I get line 830 too. Didn't recompile the latest & greatest...
23:50:32	amiconn	LinusN is to blame...
23:50:50	amiconn	BUTTON_MODE and BUTTON_RC_ON share the same value...
23:50:52	LinusN	amiconn: cool
23:51:36	LinusN	i'm silly
23:51:47	HCl	:P
23:52:00	amiconn	Why didn't you use the BUTTON_REMOTE modifier in the first place?
23:52:01	Bagder	jyp: the cvs build is now adjusted to the new configure
23:52:13	jyp	thanks :)
23:52:24	Ctcp	Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
23:52:24	*	amiconn tries that
23:52:29	***	Alert Mode OFF
23:54:09	HCl	okay
23:54:10	amiconn	Hmm, still doesn't werk...
23:54:13	HCl	i think i can pretty much conclude
23:54:14	iriver	what is the purpose of the "long policy"?
23:54:20	LinusN	amiconn: :-b
23:54:20	HCl	that i'm not sure how the hell the lcd interface is supposed to work :X
23:54:30	Bagder	iriver: long => 32, int => 16 bits
23:54:38	iriver	I know :)
23:54:42	Bagder	to work fine on Archo Gmini
23:55:00	Bagder	Archos
23:55:05	lostlogic	do you support a 'long long' for 64? or is 32bits as big as it gets?
23:55:05	Bagder	damn I type badly
23:55:25	Bagder	I can't see why long long shouldn't work
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23:55:36	Bagder	its gcc and long long is c99
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23:56:19	lostlogic	coo'
23:56:43	amiconn	long long is actually used (e.g. in the euroconverter plugin)

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