| 00:00:03 | kergoth | i loooove the h320 i just bought. so nifty |
| 00:00:05 | preglow | there are other factors involved |
| 00:00:10 | DMJC | ihp-340s cost $690.00 |
| 00:00:16 | DMJC | i've seen them in stores |
| 00:00:32 | DMJC | there are different tax rates between countries |
| 00:00:33 | preglow | i'll have to give around 700$ for a h340 here |
| 00:00:41 | Schee | I can't find anything else than H320 or H340 here... (for ~400 and ~500 EUR) |
| 00:00:50 | preglow | h1x0 has been discontinued |
| 00:00:52 | preglow | hard to find |
| 00:01:04 | preglow | a pity |
| 00:01:25 | DMJC | if I had the money I'd buy the design for the h1X0 |
| 00:01:40 | preglow | it's a great player |
| 00:01:42 | DMJC | imho it's a better starting point for an mp3 player than the h3x0 |
| 00:01:45 | preglow | they could have made a wiser choice of cpu |
| 00:01:55 | DMJC | how so? |
| 00:01:59 | Bagder | indeed |
| 00:02:08 | preglow | i hear the arms are great |
| 00:02:14 | DMJC | heh |
| 00:02:32 | preglow | had a look at arm assembly, looks pretty damn powerful |
| 00:02:48 | DMJC | what do the pmps use? |
| 00:02:54 | preglow | no idea |
| 00:02:56 | kergoth | arms are indeed great |
| 00:03:27 | kergoth | "arm assembly reads like poetry ;)" −−erikm |
| 00:03:38 | preglow | he's got it backwards, PERL reads like poetry |
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| 00:04:10 | preglow | no assembly is particularily pretty, imho |
| 00:04:13 | DMJC | no... poetry reads like poetry |
| 00:04:15 | preglow | but arm seemed pretty powerful |
| 00:04:15 | kergoth | perl reads like vomit spewed onto a disk |
| 00:04:18 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:04:22 | DMJC | program code reads like ugliness |
| 00:04:27 | kergoth | arm's multiple register load/store are quite nice |
| 00:04:30 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/hexpoetry/ ! |
| 00:04:32 | preglow | indeed |
| 00:05:16 | preglow | i like the 'list of possible words' |
| 00:05:30 | preglow | leaves no doubt that there actually went some work into this |
| 00:05:31 | preglow | heh |
| 00:05:37 | Bagder | hehe |
| 00:05:58 | Bagder | I did a grep |
| 00:07:52 | Bagder | I personally like the download binary option |
| 00:08:00 | Bagder | veeery useful |
| 00:08:06 | preglow | ahahah |
| 00:08:43 | DMJC | Man strangled by escalator |
| 00:08:52 | DMJC | now there's a headline you don't expect |
| 00:10:06 | preglow | but now i'll have to face the problem of how to commit this code without apologizing loudly every time someone mentions it |
| 00:10:16 | Bagder | :-) |
| 00:10:27 | preglow | it really is quite ugly |
| 00:10:50 | Bagder | I'll give you permission to blame me |
| 00:11:03 | preglow | haha |
| 00:11:11 | preglow | the imdct_l replacement is a HUGE blob of asm |
| 00:11:15 | * | Bagder - the skapegoat |
| 00:11:32 | DMJC | Anti-gun crusader busted for illegal handgun, drugs |
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| 00:11:55 | preglow | 500 lines |
| 00:11:58 | preglow | a bit above, actually |
| 00:12:04 | Bagder | gosh |
| 00:12:12 | Bagder | that's a big munch of asm |
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| 00:21:32 | preglow | http://glow.m0f0.net/rockbox/layer3.c |
| 00:21:37 | preglow | imdct_l around line 1770 |
| 00:22:03 | preglow | don't tell me that's pretty |
| 00:22:07 | Bagder | whoa |
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| 00:24:04 | preglow | if you're 68k asm wiz, feel free to assemblify the imdct routine that's #if 0'ed out |
| 00:24:26 | Bagder | been too long since I did m68k asm |
| 00:25:12 | preglow | there's alot more plain ordinary 68k asm work to be done in that than the one i did |
| 00:25:21 | preglow | and i guess it'll be faster with data in iram |
| 00:26:49 | preglow | and it'll have a smaller footprint |
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| 00:28:24 | Rick | question |
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| 00:28:40 | Rick | can the iriver 'joystick' toggle two directions at once? (eg diagonal) |
| 00:28:45 | preglow | no |
| 00:28:49 | Rick | darn |
| 00:28:54 | preglow | inded |
| 00:28:56 | Rick | wonder how that'll work out with rockboy |
| 00:28:59 | preglow | it wasn't designed for stuff like that |
| 00:29:05 | preglow | well, you'll quite simply just have to get used to it |
| 00:29:16 | preglow | you can't even press a button and a direction at once |
| 00:29:22 | preglow | with the notable exception of the play button |
| 00:29:28 | DMJC | why is that? |
| 00:29:29 | Rick | ouch! |
| 00:29:43 | preglow | it's designed that way |
| 00:29:49 | preglow | there isn't one wire per button |
| 00:30:02 | preglow | there is one wire for all buttons, and an adc that checks which has been pressed |
| 00:30:09 | DMJC | bah |
| 00:30:12 | Rick | :/ |
| 00:30:15 | preglow | it's logical for an mp3 player, but not a handheld gaming device, which the h1x0 was never intended to be |
| 00:30:15 | Rick | no way around it? |
| 00:30:24 | DMJC | nope |
| 00:30:28 | preglow | no, no easy way apart from a really extensive hardware mod |
| 00:30:30 | Bonkers | how about a hardware mod? ;) |
| 00:30:33 | Rick | or: |
| 00:30:38 | Rick | what about the remote plug? |
| 00:30:41 | Rick | is that a standard plug? |
| 00:30:43 | preglow | Bonkers: it would have to be a really sofisticated mod |
| 00:30:47 | * | Rick has never seen a plug like that before |
| 00:30:48 | DMJC | hmm.... idea |
| 00:30:57 | DMJC | would it be possible to create a usb hand controller? |
| 00:31:03 | preglow | Rick: the remote is connected the same way |
| 00:31:04 | Bonkers | preglow: the buttons form a voltage divider or what? |
| 00:31:05 | Rick | well, methinks data can travel both ways for the remote thing |
| 00:31:09 | preglow | Bonkers: exactly |
| 00:31:09 | DMJC | that plugs into the port on the bottom... |
| 00:31:10 | Rick | so I dunno |
| 00:31:15 | ashridah | DMJC: there's no access to the usb port |
| 00:31:16 | DMJC | that'd be cool |
| 00:31:21 | Rick | DMJC: from what I understand, it's slave |
| 00:31:23 | Bonkers | preglow: so wouldn't two buttons also have a unique voltage? |
| 00:31:24 | Rick | anyway |
| 00:31:27 | DMJC | I thought it had usb host |
| 00:31:31 | Rick | hmmm |
| 00:31:33 | Rick | dunno then |
| 00:31:35 | ashridah | DMJC: since the usb port connects directly into the usb-hdd bridge |
| 00:31:37 | preglow | Rick: if you made a button controller that transmitted via spi, you'd have a thing that could work |
| 00:31:39 | Bagder | the 3x0 has usb host |
| 00:31:44 | ashridah | DMJC: the 3xx can act as a host |
| 00:31:46 | Bagder | the 1x0 does not |
| 00:31:52 | Rick | well |
| 00:31:58 | Rick | is that remote control plug a standard thing? |
| 00:32:07 | preglow | i have no idea, why does it matter? |
| 00:32:10 | DMJC | iirc h1x did have usb host |
| 00:32:15 | DMJC | but it's disabled |
| 00:32:16 | preglow | you'll still have the same limitations |
| 00:32:18 | Bagder | Rick: I very much doubt that |
| 00:32:23 | DMJC | the hardware actually supports it |
| 00:32:26 | DMJC | ask linus |
| 00:32:38 | Rick | Bagder: that's why i'm asking :) |
| 00:32:38 | Rick | I've never seen a plug like that |
| 00:32:42 | DMJC | I remember ppl talking about that |
| 00:32:46 | preglow | Rick: it's not so much the connector standard, it's how the cpu is wired to the connector |
| 00:32:50 | Rick | ah |
| 00:32:52 | preglow | Rick: you can't change that easily |
| 00:33:07 | * | Rick isn't much of a hardware guy :( |
| 00:33:38 | DMJC | ok, so how would we go about making an spi remote? |
| 00:33:43 | Rick | I was just thinking about that today because I havn't been able to use my remote (it's "broken") |
| 00:34:10 | Rick | hoping the iriver site still offers them |
| 00:34:36 | preglow | DMJC: well, a set of buttons and an spi interface |
| 00:34:45 | Rick | spi = ? |
| 00:34:49 | preglow | DMJC: for all i know, the spi might be unidirectional and might not work |
| 00:34:56 | preglow | Rick: just a way of transmitting serial data |
| 00:34:58 | Rick | ah |
| 00:35:01 | DMJC | what if you have an old nes remote hehehe |
| 00:35:10 | Rick | spi to me is a plugin system for susie (image viewer :p) |
| 00:35:16 | DMJC | I mean controller damnit |
| 00:35:20 | Bonkers | preglow: say there's 5 buttons, that's only 2^5 = 32 combinations, why can't an ADC reconginze 32 different voltages? or is it like a 3-bit ADC? |
| 00:35:21 | Camilo | spi is like a bus, you can have masters and slaves on it |
| 00:35:28 | Rick | ah |
| 00:35:33 | preglow | Bonkers: it's not like that, the button that you press override all the others |
| 00:35:45 | preglow | Bonkers: combinations are out of the question from an elecrical point of view |
| 00:36:17 | Bonkers | preglow: it's not 1 resistor per button and then a common resistor for the other half of the divider? I figured the button resistors would just be in parallel when multiple ones are pressed |
| 00:36:41 | Rick | preglow: does the remote also override any buttons pressed on the main device? |
| 00:36:50 | preglow | Bonkers: if you press a button, the button acts as a short circuit through to a resistor |
| 00:36:54 | preglow | Bonkers: i THINK |
| 00:37:26 | preglow | Bonkers: in any way, i'm pretty sure it won't work, there are schematics available, so feel free to investigate |
| 00:37:30 | preglow | Rick: no |
| 00:37:30 | Bonkers | preglow: so it's like 5V−−−−-/\/\/\−−−−-button−−−−-GND |
| 00:37:47 | Rick | preglow: hmm. :p |
| 00:38:02 | Bonkers | err, 5V−−−−/\/\/\−−−−button−−−−−−**−−−−-\/\/\/\−−-GND and the ** is where all the other buttons connect too |
| 00:38:12 | DMJC | it's wired in series |
| 00:38:17 | preglow | Rick: haha, well, you try, one finger on the directional stick, one on the play button of the unit, and the last non-existing hand on the remote |
| 00:38:18 | DMJC | not gonna work |
| 00:38:21 | DMJC | nuff saif |
| 00:38:23 | DMJC | said |
| 00:38:30 | Bonkers | preglow: what device is this exactly? or do you have a URL for the schematic |
| 00:38:30 | Rick | preglow: that's the problem |
| 00:38:32 | Rick | my remote is broken |
| 00:38:34 | Rick | so I can't test |
| 00:38:37 | Bonkers | DMJC: I'm just curious, it's not like I actually have one of these things |
| 00:38:38 | preglow | Bonkers: it's on www.rockbox.org |
| 00:39:13 | | Part Bluechip |
| 00:39:28 | amiconn | preglow: I think multi-button would work in principle. The archos button hookup is similar, different resistors per button and a common resistor connected to ground. |
| 00:40:05 | amiconn | The problem is that the levels are rather close together, and the tolerances between 2 units might be larger than the difference between 2 levels |
| 00:40:08 | preglow | amiconn: depends on resistor choice and adc resolution, really |
| 00:40:20 | preglow | and adc is probably eight bit |
| 00:40:21 | amiconn | ADC is 10 bit on archos |
| 00:40:40 | amiconn | (it's the SH1 integrated adc) |
| 00:40:56 | preglow | 10 bit adcs seem to be pretty common on microcontrollers |
| 00:41:08 | Rick | Wish I knew more about hardware :) |
| 00:41:23 | preglow | Rick: read up, it's not that hard |
| 00:41:34 | amiconn | On the recorders there is another problem though. Any combination that includes the button with the "strongest" resistor leads to an adc overflow :( |
| 00:41:46 | Camilo | it's still a weird design for a remote |
| 00:41:52 | preglow | Camilo: why? |
| 00:42:02 | Camilo | analogue |
| 00:42:21 | amiconn | It saves wires, and that's the point here |
| 00:42:27 | preglow | well, yes, but you have to do it like that to not have to use a parallel design |
| 00:42:58 | preglow | it's a perfectly sensible design |
| 00:43:06 | Camilo | I suppose if you already have a DAC spare and you want to build the cheapest possible remote... |
| 00:43:27 | ashridah | saving space on a pcb saves you more than the engineering effort involved in designing a multiplexed system |
| 00:43:58 | amiconn | However, I wonder why archos didn't use a proper R-2R network. |
| 00:44:07 | preglow | amiconn: laziness |
| 00:44:21 | Camilo | cheapest components? |
| 00:44:39 | Bonkers | amiconn: isn't R-2R going to use n-1 more resistors were n is number of buttons? |
| 00:44:51 | preglow | amiconn: if i'm not completely mistaken, there's more than one thing "odd" about the archos hardware ;) |
| 00:45:00 | Bonkers | or maybe n-2 more |
| 00:45:43 | amiconn | I presume there are integrated resistor arrays for R-2R networks |
| 00:45:54 | preglow | yes, there are, i think |
| 00:46:32 | amiconn | preglow: Yes. That seems to be a common sense across mp3 player manufacturers though (the hardware oddness I mean) |
| 00:46:48 | preglow | at least iriver endian swapped the ide interface |
| 00:47:36 | amiconn | Thinking about iriver... Choosing a CPU capable of running at 140 MHz in principle, but not stable due to thermal problems |
| 00:47:47 | preglow | hahah |
| 00:47:58 | preglow | they probably never intended to have it running at 140 in the first place |
| 00:48:01 | preglow | but who knows |
| 00:48:09 | elinenbe | amiconn: what speed does iriver run the chip at? |
| 00:48:19 | preglow | elinenbe: i've heard 96 mhz max |
| 00:48:27 | amiconn | I'd really like to know how Motorola manages the mp3 decoding in realtime with just 20 MHz |
| 00:48:44 | DMJC | write to the metal |
| 00:48:48 | preglow | amiconn: well, the source is available if you contant them :) |
| 00:49:06 | preglow | i guess iram is a major component |
| 00:49:11 | preglow | and l337-ass optimizing |
| 00:49:46 | Rick | hehe |
| 00:50:01 | preglow | their programmers are probably hung like bulls |
| 00:50:14 | DMJC | lol |
| 00:50:21 | preglow | i dreamt about vim the night after i did the imdct_l asm opt |
| 00:50:22 | preglow | haha |
| 00:50:25 | Rick | have any problems come up with the bootloader? |
| 00:50:33 | preglow | Rick: none |
| 00:50:41 | XShocK | by the way, did anyone check the demo MP3 decoder on motorolla site? |
| 00:50:54 | preglow | XShocK: it's binary only, isn't it? |
| 00:50:58 | XShocK | no. source |
| 00:51:06 | Rick | Wanted to try doing some dev but reluctant because I like my H120 :P |
| 00:51:15 | preglow | haha |
| 00:51:15 | XShocK | i will check now and say for sure |
| 00:51:18 | Camilo | you have to sign up to get it though |
| 00:51:20 | Bagder | Rick: now don't be a chicken ;-) |
| 00:51:24 | Rick | Hehe |
| 00:51:32 | preglow | i was the second person apart from linus to flash mine |
| 00:51:37 | Rick | ah |
| 00:51:45 | preglow | can't remember who the first was |
| 00:51:53 | Rick | I've never done any dev outside of a PC |
| 00:52:04 | Rick | well, aside from TI assembly. ;P |
| 00:52:08 | Bagder | preglow: I could've been me, but i don't know |
| 00:52:09 | preglow | Rick: i've mostly done pc work as well, with the exception of microcontroller stuff |
| 00:52:20 | preglow | Bagder: don't think so, some guy just jumped in and flashed it |
| 00:52:25 | Bagder | ok |
| 00:52:26 | Rick | can plugins cause an unrecoverable crash? |
| 00:52:41 | Rick | or will the RESET button take care of that just fine? |
| 00:52:42 | preglow | Rick: everything can, if it writes the flash |
| 00:52:47 | Rick | ah |
| 00:52:51 | preglow | Rick: odds are very small of that happenin, though |
| 00:53:00 | preglow | Rick: and yes, reset has handles everything i've ever run across |
| 00:53:06 | Rick | that's very good news |
| 00:53:13 | Bagder | everything anyone has come across actually |
| 00:53:23 | Rick | ah |
| 00:53:26 | Bagder | except for the guy whose reset button was broken |
| 00:53:30 | Bagder | :-) |
| 00:53:31 | Rick | hehe |
| 00:53:34 | Rick | I guess I should test that |
| 00:53:43 | Rick | before I try ;) |
| 00:54:20 | XShocK | preglow: it is really BINs only, libsrc.a library... :((( |
| 00:54:32 | XShocK | and header file for it |
| 00:55:28 | preglow | XShocK: yes, i thought so |
| 00:56:26 | Rick | just curious, does the iriver firmware keep its settings in flash? |
| 00:57:06 | preglow | Rick: eeprom |
| 00:57:26 | preglow | Rick: keeping things in flash isn't very wise, it can't take more than a couple of thousand write cycles, at worst |
| 00:57:35 | Rick | ah |
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| 00:59:16 | preglow | looks like DMJC was the first to flash it |
| 00:59:29 | DMJC | heh |
| 00:59:53 | preglow | DMJC: madman |
| 00:59:53 | DMJC | now they tell me |
| 00:59:59 | Rick | hehe |
| 01:00 |
| 01:01:09 | DMJC | it worked beautifully |
| 01:01:17 | DMJC | haven't flashed it since |
| 01:01:29 | amiconn | Bagder: rockboy.ovl ends up in .rockbox/rocks, not in .rockbox/viewers where it should be.... |
| 01:01:34 | preglow | hah |
| 01:01:40 | preglow | i've flashed it a couple since |
| 01:02:03 | preglow | nothing more nerve wracking than the first time, when it just blinked its hdd light for about five minutes or so |
| 01:02:10 | DMJC | hehehe |
| 01:02:23 | preglow | i was more or less preparing to package the thing in and ship it off for sweden, heh |
| 01:02:45 | DMJC | I'd have had to give it to a mate of mine to work on |
| 01:02:49 | DMJC | he's a hardware junkie |
| 01:03:42 | DMJC | it's funny actually... if he saved his cash instead of buying all the crappy players he has... he'd be halfway to an iriver |
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| 01:04:46 | Rick | how are file operations on the iriver? |
| 01:04:48 | Rick | speedy? |
| 01:04:56 | preglow | speedy enough, why? |
| 01:05:02 | Rick | just curious |
| 01:05:15 | DMJC | you want to move data around? |
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| 01:05:36 | Rick | nah, just random thoughts popping into my head |
| 01:06:00 | DMJC | file cut/paste would be kinda cool |
| 01:06:08 | preglow | why? :P |
| 01:06:31 | DMJC | so after you've leached music from a friend you can spend the bus trip home organising it |
| 01:06:37 | preglow | haha |
| 01:06:41 | preglow | will be doable, for sure |
| 01:06:41 | Rick | DMJC: the latest firmware added deleting iirc |
| 01:06:42 | DeadMan | lol |
| 01:06:45 | preglow | but i think i'd wait |
| 01:06:57 | preglow | Rick: rockbox can rename as well! |
| 01:07:01 | Rick | I was thinking of making a text editor actually |
| 01:07:08 | Rick | an efficient vkeyboard or something |
| 01:07:10 | DMJC | definately |
| 01:07:13 | preglow | there is on already |
| 01:07:15 | Rick | really? |
| 01:07:16 | DMJC | so I can edit my phonebook.. |
| 01:07:17 | Rick | neat! |
| 01:07:17 | preglow | yes |
| 01:07:20 | preglow | try renaming a file |
| 01:07:32 | Rick | Don't have rockbox on my iriver yet |
| 01:07:43 | Rick | i'm building a gentoo vmware install so I can have access to buildtools :p |
| 01:08:07 | preglow | there are limits to how efficient the keyboard can be |
| 01:08:09 | preglow | but it works |
| 01:08:12 | Rick | yeah |
| 01:08:30 | Rick | I was thinking about how to do a vkeyboard |
| 01:08:45 | Rick | I was thinking different keyboard modes, lowercase/uppercase/macro (user definable) |
| 01:09:20 | DeadMan | vkeyboard is pretty easy with joystick |
| 01:09:31 | Rick | yeah |
| 01:09:32 | DeadMan | scroll to letter click |
| 01:09:36 | * | Rick nods |
| 01:09:47 | DeadMan | hold rec key for shift click |
| 01:09:54 | Rick | you can't press two keys at once |
| 01:09:58 | Rick | hence mode changing |
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| 01:10:21 | DeadMan | well double click then |
| 01:10:28 | Rick | heh |
| 01:10:37 | DeadMan | double click in joystick for cap |
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| 01:11:28 | DeadMan | or just use rec key for click on for cap...alsorts of ways |
| 01:11:40 | preglow | you can hold play and press other things |
| 01:11:53 | preglow | but that's the only exception |
| 01:12:14 | DeadMan | anyhow nothing amazing there..is gapless working yet on iRiver? |
| 01:12:24 | preglow | we have no codec api yet, so no |
| 01:12:35 | Rick | well |
| 01:12:40 | Rick | I was actually thinking of using a/b key for modes |
| 01:12:51 | * | Rick shrugs |
| 01:12:56 | DeadMan | oh so that libmad at 104% ain't worth anything unless it has some place to output to? |
| 01:13:13 | preglow | which reminds me i should have commited libmad code |
| 01:13:21 | Rick | preglow: are there any plans on "cleaning up" the plugin api? |
| 01:13:25 | preglow | but i should have done that before i had two beers and grew tired |
| 01:13:30 | preglow | Rick: in what way? |
| 01:13:50 | Rick | renaming things to better suit the fact that multiple players are supported |
| 01:14:00 | Rick | mp3_* -> audio_* or something :P |
| 01:14:11 | preglow | ahh, like that |
| 01:14:16 | preglow | that's got nothing to do with plugings |
| 01:14:20 | preglow | and we'll get around to that |
| 01:14:23 | Bagder | feels pretty secondary to me |
| 01:14:23 | Rick | Hehe |
| 01:14:28 | Rick | yeah, just curious |
| 01:14:31 | preglow | it's just semantic |
| 01:14:34 | * | Rick nods |
| 01:15:03 | * | Rick watches his gentoo stage tarball extract |
| 01:15:20 | preglow | what we really need is people working actively on the codec api |
| 01:15:23 | XShocK | so the current problem is only in the architecture of the sound framework, since all parts: decoding and playing are done. |
| 01:15:33 | preglow | and perhaps another person on codecs optmisations |
| 01:15:46 | Rick | ah |
| 01:16:38 | preglow | but it doesn't matter, it's just been one month since the first person flashed his player, we've really gotten quite far |
| 01:16:44 | Rick | yeah |
| 01:17:01 | Rick | I had been checking routinely for updates and figured I should check it out in more depth |
| 01:18:08 | preglow | i've just been involved for little under a month myself |
| 01:18:16 | DeadMan | yeah lot of progress...makes me optimistic it will be nearly there in the next month ;) |
| 01:18:38 | Rick | hehe |
| 01:18:44 | Rick | DeadMan: nah... not that quick ;P |
| 01:19:12 | DeadMan | depends on what's happening and who works on what |
| 01:19:13 | XShocK | i am sure that all features of a normal player will be done in next month. :) |
| 01:19:26 | Rick | er |
| 01:19:39 | Rick | I thought it was a matter of simply 'fixing' the features and retaining the features that rockbox already has? |
| 01:19:49 | Rick | (and then, implementing features afterwards) |
| 01:20:01 | Rick | new features that is |
| 01:20:01 | DeadMan | no |
| 01:20:04 | preglow | Rick: there's more to it, h1x0 series brings along a lot of possibilites rockbox never had before, like software codecs |
| 01:20:09 | Rick | yes |
| 01:20:18 | Rick | I just thought there would be more focus on getting what is already there to work first |
| 01:20:20 | preglow | and that alone is a very big part |
| 01:20:25 | preglow | well, it does |
| 01:20:32 | preglow | rockbox does work |
| 01:20:45 | preglow | the only things it lacks are stuff that was handled by hardware before |
| 01:21:17 | DeadMan | more software coding involved on the codec end |
| 01:21:30 | Bagder | Rick: you really should install rockbox and try it out |
| 01:22:13 | preglow | Rick: hell, if it does nothing but bore you to death, you can still show your friends how cool you are by loading super mario land on your mp3 player! |
| 01:22:20 | amiconn | Bagder: Got my remark concerning rockboy.ovl ? |
| 01:22:21 | Rick | *jukebox |
| 01:22:25 | Rick | >:) |
| 01:22:26 | DeadMan | I'm not installing it until I can get MP3 playback with gapless. it's the only reason for me...plus otf playlist I guess but that's about it |
| 01:22:33 | Bagder | amiconn: I did, fixing it tomorrow |
| 01:22:34 | Rick | what is gapless? |
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| 01:22:40 | preglow | Rick: no gaps between songs |
| 01:22:40 | amiconn | Bagder: Okay. |
| 01:22:46 | Rick | doesn't the latest firmware have that? |
| 01:22:50 | XShocK | Rick: do it.. you will not regret it at least. :) |
| 01:22:51 | preglow | Rick: no |
| 01:22:51 | DeadMan | no |
| 01:22:54 | preglow | Rick: it never will |
| 01:22:56 | Rick | what's the option for? |
| 01:23:08 | preglow | Rick: god knows, it doesn't do what it should |
| 01:23:11 | Rick | ah |
| 01:23:13 | DeadMan | seamless playback of DJ mixes and live recordings |
| 01:23:25 | Rick | I hadn't tried it yet |
| 01:23:26 | preglow | yes, and electonic music in general |
| 01:23:30 | Rick | I guess it's like that language menu |
| 01:23:33 | preglow | more than half of the cd's i own have no gaps between songs |
| 01:23:43 | Rick | yeah i've noticed that myself |
| 01:23:52 | Rick | that's one feature I wished winamp had |
| 01:23:55 | Rick | playlists in playlists |
| 01:24:03 | preglow | haha |
| 01:24:11 | preglow | dump winamp, use foobar2000 |
| 01:24:24 | Rick | basically, a playlist in the playalist would play that playlist with no shuffling in order |
| 01:24:31 | Rick | -a |
| 01:25:17 | XShocK | are there people good at electronics? |
| 01:25:24 | preglow | XShocK: perhaps |
| 01:25:52 | Rick | define electronics |
| 01:26:06 | XShocK | i want to add RTC to iriver. |
| 01:26:11 | Rick | RTC? |
| 01:26:15 | preglow | real time clock |
| 01:26:18 | Rick | ahhh |
| 01:26:31 | XShocK | through the i2c line, for example fm-radio bus line. |
| 01:26:32 | preglow | XShocK: you'd have to find a free interrupt pin |
| 01:26:51 | preglow | or some way of having the rtc switch the cpu on |
| 01:27:20 | * | Rick watches portage extract |
| 01:27:36 | XShocK | first i wanted to implement the timing only, no auto-starting on alarm. |
| 01:27:37 | Rick | I think I should have picked a lighter flavor of linux for the vmware buildtools :P |
| 01:28:03 | preglow | Rick: gentoo is for men |
| 01:28:17 | XShocK | i have a DS1340 chip, it has i2c bus. |
| 01:28:20 | Rick | I like gentoo, don't get me wrong |
| 01:28:31 | Rick | just taking forever to install atm ;) |
| 01:28:42 | preglow | XShocK: well, if i don't remember incorectly, you can just stick things strait onto the i2c bus and have it work |
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| 01:28:54 | preglow | XShocK: provided you've got a driver, of course |
| 01:29:07 | preglow | Rick: yes, i know, i had to install xwindows on it today |
| 01:29:15 | Rick | Hehe |
| 01:29:23 | XShocK | from what i understood i don't need to change any component on the player itself. i only attach the chip through resistor on bus lines. |
| 01:29:28 | preglow | XShocK: yes |
| 01:29:30 | Rick | luckikly i'm just using a stage3 for the vmware install ;P |
| 01:29:31 | preglow | XShocK: that's correct |
| 01:30:17 | XShocK | so, what i am worring about is electrical current while the player is off, but the rtc is working. |
| 01:30:36 | XShocK | should i cut the rtc from i2c bus when the player is off? |
| 01:31:08 | preglow | it shouldn't try to sense the bus when power is off, no |
| 01:31:28 | preglow | but i don't know how you should handle that |
| 01:32:26 | XShocK | so, if i let rtc chip be connected to bus while all other chips do not have power, then i will get all sorts of troubles, yes? |
| 01:32:54 | preglow | does anyone know if sim buils vomit on seeing something declared belonging to section .idata og .icode? |
| 01:33:03 | preglow | builds |
| 01:33:15 | preglow | XShocK: you might, i'm not sure |
| 01:33:45 | Bagder | preglow: I believe it defines the attribute() to nothing for the sims |
| 01:33:53 | preglow | Bagder: that was what i was hoping |
| 01:34:13 | amiconn | preglow: Iirc these sections don't matter for the sim builds. They are included just like normal .text / .data sections |
| 01:34:16 | preglow | i believe linus agreed on having a #define to do the attribute iram stuff, but hasn't been done yet |
| 01:34:41 | amiconn | I believe I've seen this while searching for the cause of the non-working lseek(() |
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| 01:35:10 | preglow | btw, anyone know of a free noncygwin x server? |
| 01:35:11 | amiconn | preglow: HCl does that in rockboy |
| 01:35:17 | preglow | testing the sim myself would be good |
| 01:35:30 | preglow | amiconn: ok, i'll drop ifdefing it then |
| 01:35:38 | XShocK | ok. i am pretty afraid i need to isolate it, but it will make everything pain in the ass since i will need additional components to put... |
| 01:35:45 | amiconn | If you're on windows, why don't you use cygwin? |
| 01:36:08 | preglow | XShocK: depends on how the bus is wired |
| 01:36:09 | Rick | because cygwin is bizaarely slow at compiling |
| 01:36:11 | Rick | ;P |
| 01:36:29 | preglow | XShocK: ask linus, he should know this |
| 01:36:31 | amiconn | I use it here; can't say that it is excessively slow |
| 01:36:44 | Rick | dunno |
| 01:36:46 | preglow | amiconn: i've never been able to make cygwin work very well |
| 01:36:46 | Bagder | amiconn: compared to a linux build, it is |
| 01:36:47 | Rick | I havn't touched cygwin in years |
| 01:36:50 | Rick | so it could be different |
| 01:36:52 | preglow | amiconn: so i've grown to dislike it ;) |
| 01:36:53 | Rick | (now) |
| 01:37:18 | XShocK | yep, i will ask him. he addmitted that i don't need a pull-up resistor, but i forgot to ask him that problem.. |
| 01:37:20 | preglow | i've got a linux box anyway, i prefer to use that |
| 01:37:46 | Rick | iriver doesn't have floating point right? |
| 01:37:54 | preglow | Rick: correct |
| 01:38:29 | Rick | mm |
| 01:38:59 | amiconn | Bagder: When rebuilding my whole assortment of simulator & target builds, it doesn't take significantly longer than the official build sequence. That's on a laptop btw |
| 01:39:40 | preglow | amiconn: depends on what you're doing. configure is insanely slow on cygwin |
| 01:40:12 | amiconn | The only slow thing in configure is the language selection - takes a few seconds |
| 01:40:21 | preglow | ahh, didn't mean your configure |
| 01:40:24 | preglow | autoconf configure |
| 01:40:51 | amiconn | rockbox doesn't use autoconf, so I can't tell much about that |
| 01:41:03 | XShocK | i think getting clocks and probably alarm on the cost of 4 el. components. will be good. i actually was pretty delighted that DS1340 has such small size(2 by 2 millimeters. :) ) |
| 01:41:23 | preglow | i tried to use cygwin to build csound, failed completely in making it work, ended up installing linux on this box as well |
| 01:42:34 | elinenbe | to all the developers... awesome work! |
| 01:42:38 | amiconn | However, I one tried building gcc, and I built gdb |
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| 01:42:52 | elinenbe | HCl: I used to joke about a gamboy emulator on the archos... now that's a reality! |
| 01:43:15 | amiconn | elinenbe: yup. |
| 01:43:52 | XShocK | going to sleep. see you all |
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| 01:45:28 | preglow | yes, i'll do that myself |
| 01:45:29 | preglow | good night |
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| 01:48:03 | XShocK | in file firmware/mp3_playback.c on line 1175, shouldn't it be "#else /* CONFIG_HWCODEC == MASNONE */" |
| 01:49:18 | XShocK | just a very small thing of course, but still |
| 01:51:25 | XShocK | oops. ignore it... i just messed up with the way the code was commented |
| 01:51:35 | XShocK | i really need to go to sleep. |
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| 01:52:24 | Rick | hehe |
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| 02:01:11 | Bagder | I remodeled how the cvs builds are made |
| 02:01:40 | Bagder | they now check for new changes every minute |
| 02:01:49 | Rick | Bagder: you're an official rockbox dev? :) |
| 02:02:01 | * | Bagder puts on his hat |
| 02:02:08 | Rick | Hehe |
| 02:02:10 | Bagder | that is Mr Bagder please ;-) |
| 02:02:13 | * | Rick doesn't know who anybody is yet |
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| 02:02:48 | Bagder | I'm one of those in-it-from-the-start |
| 02:02:58 | Rick | ah |
| 02:03:00 | Rick | nifty |
| 02:10:17 | Bagder | time to sleep |
| 02:10:28 | Rick | what timezone? |
| 02:10:39 | Bagder | central european |
| 02:10:44 | Bagder | 02:10 now |
| 02:10:47 | Rick | ah |
| 02:10:51 | Rick | PST here : |
| 02:10:52 | Rick | :) |
| 02:19:16 | rickst131 | CST here... |
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| 05:11:08 | Rick | finally... |
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| 05:15:01 | wacky_ | any big guys in here ? :) |
| 05:15:21 | Rick | define big guy |
| 05:15:49 | wacky_ | this afternoon I came and asked for my plugin to be added to CVS.. and preglow say I should wait for the big guys that take decisions to be there :) |
| 05:15:57 | wacky_ | said |
| 05:16:09 | Rick | ahhh |
| 05:16:14 | Rick | they're probably all sleeping atm |
| 05:16:14 | wacky_ | :P |
| 05:16:23 | wacky_ | yeah.. just saw the current.txt log.. |
| 05:16:30 | wacky_ | I'll be back!! |
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| 05:28:48 | Rick | yay ;) |
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| 05:44:25 | Rick | got my gentoo install up and going |
| 05:45:28 | Rick | going to setup my build enviornment now |
| 05:45:29 | Rick | ;) |
| 06:00 |
| 06:12:34 | Rick | making binutils ;D |
| 06:21:14 | Rick | making gcc.... |
| 06:42:21 | pabs | HCl: http://pablotron.org/download/rockboy_state-20050304.patch |
| 06:42:57 | pabs | HCl: adds load and save state (both to quicksave slots and to arbitrary files, although the latter needs a litle refinement) |
| 06:43:03 | pabs | HCl: i'm sending it to the mailing list also |
| 06:44:27 | Rick | eeep |
| 06:44:51 | Rick | Error: unrecognized architecture specification '5249' |
| 06:46:16 | ashridah | you didn't build gcc with the newly built binutils added to the path afaik |
| 06:46:28 | pabs | it's binutils that's wrong |
| 06:46:36 | pabs | i had the same problem a couple days ago |
| 06:46:38 | Rick | hm |
| 06:46:42 | Rick | odd |
| 06:46:46 | Rick | I had it in path |
| 06:47:05 | ashridah | ah |
| 06:47:20 | pabs | Rick: m68k-elf-ar −−version |
| 06:47:28 | pabs | Rick: it'll probably give you th e wrong thing |
| 06:47:40 | Rick | GNU ar 2.15 |
| 06:47:50 | pabs | Rick: yeah, you need something newer than 2.15 |
| 06:47:54 | Rick | ah |
| 06:48:07 | Rick | so what needs newer, binutils or gcc? |
| 06:48:20 | pabs | Rick: you need to redo binutils |
| 06:48:21 | Rick | nevermind, stupid question |
| 06:48:23 | Rick | okay |
| 06:49:11 | Rick | CrossCompiler should be updated to say that somehow ;P |
| 06:52:52 | ashridah | it probably didn't need to to begin with. feel free to update it with current info |
| 06:54:51 | Rick | well |
| 06:54:55 | Rick | it mentioned getting latest cvs snapshot |
| 06:54:59 | Rick | but it said it was an alternate |
| 06:55:22 | ashridah | yeah, it isn't really. |
| 06:55:30 | Rick | hehe |
| 06:59:18 | ashridah | the problem is, it probably still is for the SH platform archos uses |
| 06:59:53 | Rick | well |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:05 | Rick | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 07:00:12 | Rick | first it lists (what I assumed were the 'default') |
| 07:00:20 | Rick | then under Coldfire it says the cvs binutils is optional/alternate |
| 07:00:28 | Rick | so I assumed I could use binutils-2.15 |
| 07:00:54 | ashridah | hrm |
| 07:02:58 | Rick | hence confusion |
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| 07:06:29 | ashridah | indeed. |
| 07:06:46 | ashridah | as i say, feel free to correct it |
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| 07:20:22 | Rick | rebuilding now ;P |
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| 07:27:46 | Rick | greetings LinusN |
| 07:27:53 | LinusN | hi |
| 07:33:46 | LinusN | Rick: the CrossCompiler page doesn't say that CVS binutils for coldfire is alternate |
| 07:34:25 | LinusN | alternative 1: get directly from CVS |
| 07:34:41 | LinusN | alternative 2: get a CVS snapshot |
| 07:35:20 | LinusN | s/alternate/optional/ |
| 07:35:30 | Rick | unclear definition of alternate then :p |
| 07:35:46 | Rick | no biggy |
| 07:36:08 | LinusN | yes it is, if it's unclear we need to change it |
| 07:36:44 | Rick | well, instead of saying alternate you can say 'OR' in front of the get a CVS snapshot ;) |
| 07:37:20 | LinusN | are you editing it? |
| 07:37:24 | Rick | no |
| 07:37:37 | LinusN | "There is a possibility that RickLaCharite is editing this topic." |
| 07:37:44 | Rick | whoops |
| 07:37:47 | Rick | I forgot to release |
| 07:37:53 | LinusN | np |
| 07:37:56 | Rick | try again :) |
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| 07:40:45 | LinusN | take a look at it now |
| 07:40:55 | Rick | yay :) building rockbox |
| 07:41:02 | * | Rick looks |
| 07:41:13 | Rick | much more clear, :) |
| 07:41:20 | LinusN | good |
| 07:41:27 | LinusN | wiki is a blesing |
| 07:41:29 | LinusN | blessing |
| 07:41:34 | * | Rick nods |
| 07:42:29 | Rick | nice, all built with no errors ;) |
| 07:44:31 | LinusN | have you installed the boot loader? |
| 07:44:35 | Rick | nope, not yet |
| 07:44:54 | Rick | was about to do that now |
| 07:45:16 | LinusN | word of advice: use the bootloader.bin on the wiki page |
| 07:45:33 | Rick | alright, will do |
| 07:48:13 | pabs | LinusN: i fired off another rockboy patch to the mailing list |
| 07:48:22 | LinusN | ok |
| 07:48:52 | pabs | HCl doesn't have email, and i can't dcc at all, and it's inconvenient for me to access ftp (because of my firewall) |
| 07:48:56 | pabs | kind of amusing |
| 07:49:10 | LinusN | doesn't have email????? |
| 07:49:16 | LinusN | what a caveman |
| 07:49:18 | pabs | he said he doesn't have easy access to it |
| 07:49:24 | pabs | or something |
| 07:49:29 | pabs | or not a good one, i can't remember exactly |
| 07:49:42 | pabs | but i was basicall like "where do i send this patch?", and eh said dcc or ftp |
| 07:49:43 | pabs | :/ |
| 07:50:08 | LinusN | in fact, the patch tracker is the official way of submitting patches |
| 07:50:12 | pabs | k |
| 07:50:29 | * | pabs searches ye ole wiki |
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| 07:52:54 | LinusN | pabs: i like the looks of your menu, but it seems redundant to have two menu systems |
| 07:53:14 | LinusN | would have been better to export the core menu code to the plugin api |
| 07:53:14 | pabs | LinusN: where's the other one? |
| 07:53:24 | LinusN | apps/menu.c |
| 07:53:29 | pabs | LinusN: i looked for a menu api and didn't see one handy |
| 07:53:38 | pabs | (in the plugin api documentation, etc) |
| 07:53:42 | pabs | so i wrote that one |
| 07:53:51 | LinusN | in fact, i like it |
| 07:54:11 | LinusN | it has a few drawbacks though |
| 07:54:27 | pabs | probably, i just whipped it up |
| 07:54:28 | Rick | oh that's evil |
| 07:54:28 | LinusN | one obvious is that it can't handle long strings |
| 07:54:31 | ashridah | the one in rockbox? it does look decent. a smaller font might be good, plus a scrollbar... |
| 07:54:32 | * | Rick heads to recompile is kernel |
| 07:54:41 | Rick | *his |
| 07:54:46 | pabs | LinusN: nope, and it won't handle huge fonts gracefully either |
| 07:54:51 | pabs | LinusN: that's easy enough to fix though |
| 07:54:56 | ashridah | s/rockbox/rockboy/ |
| 07:55:18 | pabs | LinusN: like i said, i ddin't see a menu api, so i tossed that one together |
| 07:55:22 | pabs | LinusN: i'm still refining it |
| 07:55:39 | pabs | LinusN: mainly i was mad because rockboy was quitting on me, and i wanted to be able to save tsate |
| 07:55:45 | pabs | LinusN: (which the second patch adds) |
| 07:56:42 | pabs | s/tsate/state/ |
| 07:58:34 | Rick | nifty |
| 07:59:32 | Rick | there, kernel rebuilt with vfat support :) |
| 08:00 |
| 08:01:00 | pabs | LinusN: i can either crop the strings to fit them in the menu, or add a thread that scrolls them (since i kind of like having the game showing a bit in the background, it gives a nice modal feel to the menu) |
| 08:01:32 | LinusN | pabs: the rockbox lcd driver already supports scrolling |
| 08:01:37 | pabs | LinusN: if you're going to expose the menu stuffto the plugin api it'd be nice to have a standard open and save file call too |
| 08:02:15 | LinusN | pabs: "a standard open and save file call"? |
| 08:02:38 | pabs | yeah, somtehing that brings up a menu that allows users to scroll around and select a file |
| 08:02:50 | pabs | s/scroll/navigate/ |
| 08:02:58 | LinusN | a file requester? |
| 08:03:01 | pabs | yup |
| 08:03:07 | LinusN | we don't have one |
| 08:03:19 | LinusN | feel free to write one |
| 08:03:21 | pabs | k |
| 08:04:05 | Rick | Hehe |
| 08:04:36 | pabs | LinusN: i know the lcd driver supports scrolling, but i didn't think it'd support scrolling for part of the screen (like, a chunk of text that wasn't full screen) |
| 08:05:07 | Rick | pabs: sorta like buffer areas within the main lcd? |
| 08:05:16 | LinusN | that's true, it needs support for cutting off the right part |
| 08:07:11 | pabs | Rick: yeah |
| 08:07:23 | pabs | that's what i'd want to do text scrolling in teh rockboy menu i did |
| 08:07:36 | pabs | anyway |
| 08:07:42 | pabs | maybe i'm just picky :o |
| 08:07:45 | Rick | oh great, forgot to unzip rockbox.zip |
| 08:07:46 | Rick | lol |
| 08:07:51 | * | Rick feels silly |
| 08:08:24 | ashridah | hmm |
| 08:09:04 | Rick | what's the modified firmware do? |
| 08:09:16 | Rick | I mean, other than load up rockbox |
| 08:09:41 | pabs | Rick: well, it makes you popular with the ladies! |
| 08:10:10 | Rick | Heh |
| 08:10:23 | Rick | just curious because I got a nice blank screen for ~5 seconds before it did anything |
| 08:12:46 | Rick | other than that it seems i'm all good to go |
| 08:14:22 | LinusN | it doesn't do anything else but load rockbox, but the FAT driver might recalculate the free space the first time you boot |
| 08:14:59 | Rick | ah |
| 08:15:04 | LinusN | and it might take a few disk operations to find out that the rockbox files are missing before it boots the original firmware |
| 08:15:14 | Rick | ah, okay |
| 08:16:18 | LinusN | pabs: is see that windowing and menus is your thing (profanity) :-) |
| 08:17:14 | pabs | LinusN: damn i just posted that! |
| 08:17:22 | pabs | like 10 minutes ago =-O |
| 08:17:42 | pabs | i was just posting something about rockbox too :D |
| 08:17:43 | Rick | posted what? |
| 08:18:14 | pabs | Rick: i just posted an entry to pablotron.org about a library i'm working on called profanity |
| 08:18:34 | Rick | oh |
| 08:22:36 | Rick | sweet |
| 08:22:38 | Rick | it's working ;) |
| 08:22:43 | pabs | Rick: cool! |
| 08:23:49 | Rick | mm |
| 08:24:00 | pabs | LinusN: the profanity stuff is really just for raggle :) |
| 08:24:04 | Rick | the md5 hash list on the IriverBoot page −− is that of an encoded final merged firmware? |
| 08:24:09 | Rick | or unencoded? |
| 08:24:20 | LinusN | encoded |
| 08:24:28 | pabs | LinusN: but i'm planning on using it for other stuff too (eventually) |
| 08:25:16 | Rick | there, added |
| 08:26:00 | pabs | LinusN: it really scares me that you saw the post on my page that fast |
| 08:26:05 | * | pabs looks around for cameras |
| 08:26:18 | LinusN | Rick: the page says "No need to add md5 duplicates" |
| 08:26:24 | Rick | Oh, sorry |
| 08:26:42 | LinusN | pabs: pure luck |
| 08:26:44 | Rick | didn't realize there was a duplicate ;) |
| 08:26:54 | LinusN | :-) |
| 08:26:57 | dwihno | yay! friday! |
| 08:27:25 | dwihno | 7 hours until state of euphoria ;) |
| 08:28:17 | Rick | hah |
| 08:28:20 | Rick | I like the upside down setting |
| 08:28:20 | Rick | ;P |
| 08:29:15 | LinusN | quite handy when you have it in your belt |
| 08:29:27 | Rick | yeah :) |
| 08:29:53 | LinusN | especially for the archos that doesn't have an lcd remote |
| 08:30:41 | Rick | hmm |
| 08:30:45 | Rick | graphical glitches with pong |
| 08:31:13 | LinusN | lots of plugins needs work on the iriver |
| 08:31:18 | Rick | yeah |
| 08:31:22 | LinusN | they need work overall |
| 08:31:36 | LinusN | like a common menu system :-) |
| 08:32:10 | LinusN | pabs: you're up to a fairly big task? |
| 08:32:17 | Rick | hmm |
| 08:32:52 | Rick | does the current iriver rockbox function fine with file transfers over usb? |
| 08:33:29 | LinusN | insert the cable and see for yourself |
| 08:33:35 | Rick | okay ;P |
| 08:34:06 | Rick | ah |
| 08:34:41 | Rick | my |
| 08:34:42 | Rick | that's nice and speedy |
| 08:37:43 | Bagder | what no commits yet today? |
| 08:39:24 | * | Bagder wants the new script tested |
| 08:42:08 | Bagder | daily ondio fm build works again now |
| 08:44:01 | Rick | does snake2 fit the entire screen of the archos? |
| 08:45:02 | LinusN | yes |
| 08:45:20 | Rick | okay |
| 08:55:30 | pabs | LinusN: i am? |
| 08:55:51 | pabs | LinusN: what would you awnt in a common menu system? |
| 08:56:29 | pabs | (sorry, i was off taking pictures of rockboy for pablotron) |
| 08:56:32 | LinusN | if you're up to it, i'd like you to add the right-side clipping for the lcd scrolling code |
| 08:56:57 | LinusN | so we can use the standard menu system for popups too |
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| 08:59:32 | pabs | seems like it'd be as straightforward as adding a call with a width parameter |
| 08:59:34 | pabs | for that case |
| 08:59:51 | pabs | but what you really want is subwindows and with clipping regions, and htings like that |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:01 | pabs | which is more work |
| 09:00:28 | LinusN | that may not be what we really want |
| 09:00:36 | pabs | k |
| 09:01:15 | pabs | LinusN: i'm still getting up to speed on the guts of rockbox, i don't mind writing that code for you but i'm not sure how you'd want it done |
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| 09:01:48 | LinusN | first thing is to add a width parameter to lcd_putsxyofs() |
| 09:02:06 | LinusN | and then make the scrolling thread use it |
| 09:02:40 | LinusN | perhaps adding width/height (or right/bottom) to lcd_setmargins() |
| 09:03:14 | LinusN | a poor man's clipping window |
| 09:03:15 | pabs | ah i see wher eyou're going with that |
| 09:03:15 | Rick | hmmmm |
| 09:03:34 | Rick | is there any way to obtain the width of a string rendered in a font? |
| 09:03:38 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:03:55 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:04:00 | LinusN | Rick: int lcd_getstringsize(const unsigned char *str, int *w, int *h) |
| 09:04:14 | Rick | great :) |
| 09:04:35 | * | Rick is working on a basic scale hack for snake2 |
| 09:08:35 | LinusN | Rick: perfect |
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| 09:10:58 | Rick | works, just some graphical glitches |
| 09:11:05 | Rick | and I need to figure out how to handle the fact that the Y scale is warped |
| 09:11:11 | Rick | (it's scaled more than X) |
| 09:14:10 | ashridah | Rick: it's because the lcd display won't be square |
| 09:15:26 | * | Rick nods |
| 09:15:27 | Rick | I know |
| 09:18:18 | Rick | nearly fixed the graphics for scaling :) |
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| 09:35:38 | ghode|afk | LinusN: wacky_ is looking for you i think, concerning the m3u converter plugin, would be nice to get that in cvs ;p |
| 09:35:54 | LinusN | iriverify? |
| 09:37:00 | ghode|afk | yeah |
| 09:41:02 | pabs | LinusN: i finished converting the api calls everywhere for setmargins and setxyofs, but it'll take more time to make the margni calls do what they're supposed to |
| 09:41:29 | LinusN | can i see the patch? |
| 09:41:32 | pabs | yeah |
| 09:41:35 | pabs | actually |
| 09:42:10 | pabs | i'll have to strip out teh rockboy stuff though |
| 09:42:16 | pabs | (i'm just doing the changes in the same tree) |
| 09:42:17 | HCl | ugh, morning. |
| 09:42:37 | pabs | HCl: did another patch for you with load/save stuff |
| 09:42:52 | pabs | HCl: http://pablotron.org/download/rockboy_state-20050304.patch |
| 09:42:59 | HCl | *nods* |
| 09:43:03 | HCl | i'll take a look at it. |
| 09:43:16 | HCl | i'm still rather cranky at my toothache |
| 09:43:28 | pabs | HCl: it's got 5 slots for each and a save to/load from file option (although the latter could use some work) |
| 09:44:29 | LinusN | pabs: have you tried your patch on a real target? |
| 09:44:50 | LinusN | the save/load patch |
| 09:45:00 | pabs | eh? |
| 09:45:03 | pabs | i'm using it here |
| 09:45:10 | pabs | on my iriver |
| 09:45:34 | pabs | (h120) |
| 09:45:39 | LinusN | i'm puzzled by the lack of plugin api handles |
| 09:45:51 | LinusN | open() instead of rb->open() etc |
| 09:45:58 | ghode|afk | HCl: do you have any plans to add .gbc viewer support to rockboy? |
| 09:45:59 | pabs | LinusN: oh that's from the rockboy defines |
| 09:46:05 | pabs | LinusN: presumably HCl did those |
| 09:46:18 | Rick | ghode|afk: how would that work without color support? |
| 09:46:25 | ghode|afk | err |
| 09:46:27 | pabs | LinusN: he's got #define open rb->sys_open and stuff |
| 09:46:32 | pabs | s/sys_// |
| 09:46:34 | ghode|afk | did not mean it like that ;p |
| 09:46:40 | Rick | oh |
| 09:46:43 | pabs | LinusN: hence the lack of api calls |
| 09:46:47 | LinusN | ok |
| 09:46:54 | ghode|afk | you can play gbc roms atm, but you can't open them from the dir view, only .gb roms |
| 09:46:55 | pabs | LinusN: i was just going with his system |
| 09:47:00 | Rick | ahhh |
| 09:47:16 | pabs | ghode|afk: if you add an entry to your viewers file they'll show up |
| 09:47:50 | ghode|afk | total novice here ;p |
| 09:48:04 | pabs | hey, me too! :) |
| 09:48:10 | pabs | LinusN: i'm editing your patch at the moment |
| 09:48:15 | LinusN | great |
| 09:48:16 | Bagder | .gbc? they're named .cgb in the viewers.config file |
| 09:48:38 | ghode|afk | hmm all the gbc roms i've vound have had the ext .gbc |
| 09:48:39 | pabs | Bagder: all teh ones i've ever seen are .gbc i think |
| 09:48:42 | Bagder | I fixed the problem with multiple extensions for a single plugin yday |
| 09:49:01 | Bagder | then "someone" should fix the viewers.config |
| 09:49:01 | LinusN | nice |
| 09:49:39 | Bagder | the problem was only in how the viewers.config is made when make zip is used |
| 09:52:02 | HCl | pabs: are you writing the filename to the savestate too? o.o; |
| 09:52:32 | HCl | ah... description, ok. |
| 09:55:25 | pabs | HCl: description for the quicksave slots |
| 09:55:55 | pabs | LinusN: http://pablotron.org/download/rockbox-xyofs-w_setmargins-br.patch |
| 09:56:13 | pabs | LinusN: it's a start anyway |
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| 09:58:24 | pabs | LinusN: i'd need to grep through the code and find all the places that check LCD_WIDTH, and swap that to LCD_WIDTH - rmargin, in order for the margin stuff to be functional |
| 09:58:50 | pabs | LinusN: but that change compiles clean here |
| 09:59:03 | LinusN | may not be necessary |
| 09:59:27 | pabs | hmm? |
| 09:59:46 | LinusN | ignore me |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:22 | pabs | obviously that's only in lcd-h100.c and lcd-recorder.c, so it's not too bad |
| 10:00:40 | LinusN | pabs: while we're at it, why not move the common code to a new file, lcd-common.c |
| 10:00:48 | Bagder | we should unite more things between lcd-h100 and lcd-recorder |
| 10:00:54 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:00:56 | Bagder | possibly in a new lcd-bitmap.c |
| 10:01:06 | Bagder | haha |
| 10:01:12 | pabs | i noticed a lot of stuff was duplicated in there |
| 10:01:16 | LinusN | lcd-bitmap.c might be better than lcd-common.c |
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| 10:01:19 | vrm | hi |
| 10:01:23 | LinusN | hi |
| 10:01:50 | pabs | LinusN: is that roughly what you're looking for though? |
| 10:02:02 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:02:08 | vrm | it's possible to remote control the rockbox using USB, for example start playing a song ? |
| 10:02:11 | pabs | k |
| 10:02:36 | LinusN | i'm not sure if i want left/right/top/bottom or x/y/width/height |
| 10:02:53 | LinusN | vrm: no |
| 10:03:01 | Bagder | the new build script seems to work |
| 10:03:21 | pabs | LinusN: seems like margins are usually relative to their respective edge |
| 10:03:25 | pabs | LinusN: but it's all the same to me |
| 10:03:40 | pabs | i was just going on how people seem to do them normally |
| 10:03:56 | pabs | i guess i'd call it a clipping region if it's x/y/w/h, and a margin if it's relative ot the edge |
| 10:04:01 | pabs | that's just semantics though :D |
| 10:04:08 | LinusN | yes, l/r/t/b is appropriate for a setmargins function, but maybe it would be better with a setwindow() function, i don't really know |
| 10:04:49 | pabs | LinusN: if you prefer w/h that's doable |
| 10:04:49 | vrm | LinusN, thanks |
| 10:04:54 | pabs | i should sleep befoer my girlfriend kills me |
| 10:05:02 | pabs | (it's 4am here) |
| 10:05:07 | LinusN | oh |
| 10:05:28 | LinusN | i think i'll apply your patch in the meantime |
| 10:05:34 | pabs | LinusN: i'll catch up with everyone tomorrow at some point |
| 10:05:41 | LinusN | sleep tight |
| 10:05:50 | pabs | night all! |
| 10:05:53 | pabs | LinusN: thnks |
| 10:06:36 | pabs | (hopefully id idn't mangle anythign when i stripped out the rockboy changes) |
| 10:06:43 | pabs | guess we'll find out |
| 10:06:57 | vrm | LinusN, so the USB communication is enclosed in some mass storage chipset I suppose ? |
| 10:07:05 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:07:41 | vrm | annoying :/ |
| 10:08:21 | LinusN | handy |
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| 10:11:19 | DeadMan | How far away would you say you guys are from MP3 playback to the headphone out? :) |
| 10:11:54 | Bagder | about this: −−−−> <−−−− |
| 10:12:18 | DeadMan | Just insert ___ then ;) |
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| 10:14:04 | markun | I just did a fresh build this morning. booting rockbox: "FileType string buffer empty". Also my settings were all gone, there were duplicate entries in the "open with" menu and vorbis2wav was not there.. |
| 10:14:17 | Rick | yes, I get the FileType string buffer empty too |
| 10:16:09 | LinusN | how does your viewers.config file look like? |
| 10:16:59 | * | LinusN points at Bagder |
| 10:17:14 | * | Bagder ducks |
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| 10:19:54 | Bagder | actually I bet it is a true bug |
| 10:20:03 | Bagder | that my fix reveals |
| 10:20:34 | Bagder | since viewers.config never contained more than one plugin <=> extension before |
| 10:20:48 | Bagder | and now a single plugin suddenly is listed for multiple extensions |
| 10:21:35 | Bagder | at least I can't see any problem with my generated viewers.config |
| 10:24:37 | LinusN | viewers.config was never designed to contain more than one entry per plugin, iirc |
| 10:24:45 | ghode|afk | Bagder: the cgb ext should be "gbc" not "cgb" |
| 10:26:15 | Bagder | LinusN: did we really limit it to that? |
| 10:26:28 | Bagder | seems very restrictive |
| 10:26:35 | | Part vrm ("Leaving") |
| 10:27:01 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:27:30 | Bagder | and it would even more explain the problem :-) |
| 10:27:37 | LinusN | maybe i am wrong, but iirc, the code has that limit |
| 10:27:53 | LinusN | though it shouldn't, imho |
| 10:27:59 | Bagder | I agree |
| 10:28:04 | LinusN | Bagder: go fix |
| 10:28:13 | Bagder | the buildzip flaw has hidden this limitation all this time |
| 10:28:24 | LinusN | preglow: how's the emac today? :-) |
| 10:29:04 | DeadMan | It's snowing (And settling) like crazy outside :P |
| 10:33:29 | DeadMan | How much % of Coldfire CPU does iRiver's MP3 decoder take? |
| 10:34:27 | DeadMan | Only I made what may be some rather bogus statements in the misticriver forum :) |
| 10:34:37 | preglow | LinusN: ugly |
| 10:34:42 | LinusN | DeadMan: i have no idea |
| 10:34:44 | preglow | LinusN: but i'll fix it up now |
| 10:35:32 | markun | LinusN: viewers.config looks just like before. No duplicate entries and vorbis2wav.rock is also there. |
| 10:36:16 | LinusN | on the actual target? |
| 10:36:20 | markun | yes |
| 10:36:39 | markun | Where are the rockbox settings stored on the iriver? |
| 10:37:10 | LinusN | in an unused sector after the partition table |
| 10:37:25 | markun | how strange then that they got wiped.. |
| 10:37:25 | DeadMan | oh so it loads it at boot time? |
| 10:37:30 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:37:30 | preglow | are we planning to use the eeprom for anything? |
| 10:37:39 | LinusN | not sure |
| 10:37:52 | DeadMan | and after a format it still retains those settings? |
| 10:38:00 | LinusN | yes |
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| 10:38:18 | El_Barto2 | hi |
| 10:38:44 | DeadMan | must be something to tell even when you are formatting via usb not to go near that portion of the disk |
| 10:39:10 | Bagder | DeadMan: as long as you have a partition, you won't risk that |
| 10:39:17 | DeadMan | I'd hate to see a bad sector appear there |
| 10:39:19 | Bagder | and even if you did, it is only your settings |
| 10:39:23 | DeadMan | lol |
| 10:39:27 | DeadMan | that would annoy |
| 10:39:36 | DeadMan | keep losing settings at power off that is |
| 10:39:36 | Bagder | expect to be annoyed |
| 10:39:42 | Bagder | we frequently change format of it |
| 10:40:20 | DeadMan | I would have thought they would hold settings in memory for as long as the battery was charged |
| 10:40:23 | Bagder | keeping up with devel means blowing your settings every once in a while |
| 10:40:45 | Bagder | DeadMan: they? rockbox surely does |
| 10:41:01 | DeadMan | I would have thought so |
| 10:41:07 | LinusN | Bagder: no we don't |
| 10:41:17 | Bagder | yes we do |
| 10:41:18 | DeadMan | the more I look at it the more I think iRiver devs are lazy |
| 10:41:20 | LinusN | the iriver doesn't have an rtc |
| 10:41:20 | Bagder | but we save them |
| 10:41:32 | DeadMan | heh |
| 10:42:02 | Bagder | oh, maybe I misunderstood |
| 10:42:17 | DeadMan | maybe |
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| 10:42:24 | Bagder | I thought you meant while the unit is powered |
| 10:42:45 | ashridah | DeadMan: most modern hard drives perform sector remapping if they develop a bad one anyway |
| 10:43:07 | LinusN | some day, we will use a file instead of a sector |
| 10:43:30 | DeadMan | You could have profiles |
| 10:43:38 | Bagder | profiles? |
| 10:43:47 | DeadMan | boot to profile a,b,c |
| 10:43:54 | DeadMan | different settings for each |
| 10:43:56 | Bagder | we already have that |
| 10:44:00 | DeadMan | oh ok |
| 10:44:02 | Bagder | they're called config files |
| 10:44:09 | DeadMan | I've not tried Rockbox yet |
| 10:44:24 | DeadMan | I don't see any point for me until I get MP3 playback ;) |
| 10:44:32 | Rick | why don't you use a file already? |
| 10:44:34 | Rick | (curious) |
| 10:45:38 | LinusN | historical reasons |
| 10:45:45 | DeadMan | will the gapless portion of the code have to be rewritten for the iRiver? |
| 10:46:07 | LinusN | not for pure mp3 gapless playback |
| 10:46:16 | DeadMan | cool |
| 10:46:43 | DeadMan | so how will audio be loaded into memory? |
| 10:46:59 | Bagder | how? |
| 10:47:01 | DeadMan | iRiver's firmware buffers the entire memory up |
| 10:47:05 | LinusN | open()/read()/close() |
| 10:47:17 | Bagder | DeadMan: that's the only way to do it |
| 10:47:34 | DeadMan | Hmm |
| 10:47:46 | Bagder | need to keep the disk spinning as little as possible |
| 10:47:47 | DeadMan | that's how it saves on power too I guess |
| 10:47:53 | DeadMan | yeah |
| 10:48:21 | DeadMan | so for gapless it would need to buffer in the next song as well or at least the first portion? |
| 10:49:16 | DeadMan | I mean. If the buffer is already full... |
| 10:49:41 | Bagder | this is nothing new for us |
| 10:49:47 | DeadMan | ok |
| 10:49:48 | Bagder | rockbox already plays on Archos, you know |
| 10:49:52 | DeadMan | just curious :) |
| 10:49:58 | DeadMan | heh |
| 10:50:03 | Bagder | if the buffer is full, there's no need to load more data |
| 10:50:22 | Bagder | then you play music until there's a need to load more data again |
| 10:50:45 | DeadMan | yeah ic |
| 10:51:09 | DeadMan | I forget playback and read into memory are seperate events. linear thinking me ;) |
| 10:51:43 | preglow | the iriver firmware doesn't even buffer a song if it can't fit it in the buffer |
| 10:51:52 | preglow | that's plain stupid, if you ask me |
| 10:52:05 | DeadMan | so if the song is bigger than 32mb it does what? |
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| 10:52:41 | DeadMan | just spins the disk continually? |
| 10:53:27 | DeadMan | if that's a stupid question I apologise :) |
| 10:55:21 | * | DeadMan wonders how much CPU iRiver's firmware uses for MP3 playback in order to get 16 hours battery life |
| 10:55:31 | preglow | DeadMan: it handles a single song bigger than the buffer |
| 10:56:32 | LinusN | preglow: so how's the libmad opts going? |
| 10:56:33 | DeadMan | I know. Just wondering what you meant by doesn't even buffer if the song can't fit in the buffer |
| 10:56:41 | LinusN | what do we have left to do? |
| 10:58:22 | DeadMan | Someone gonna do some testing on battery life, decoding an MP3 in Rockbox? :) |
| 10:58:49 | LinusN | someday we will |
| 10:59:11 | HCl | hmm |
| 10:59:19 | HCl | my rockbox crashed while shutting down with usb attached |
| 10:59:33 | LinusN | crashed how? |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:20 | HCl | hanged on shutting down |
| 11:00:35 | LinusN | i use to differ between crash and hang |
| 11:00:58 | HCl | mk |
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| 11:01:17 | LinusN | hehe, i must admit i've never tried to shut down with usb attached |
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| 11:02:44 | preglow | i like the libmad guys selective use of tabs |
| 11:03:13 | preglow | shall i rectify it or let it be? |
| 11:03:27 | LinusN | i dislike all use of tabs :-) |
| 11:03:40 | LinusN | i think we should change as little as possible |
| 11:03:57 | preglow | i think it's neat if done correctly, but partial use is silly |
| 11:03:57 | LinusN | makes it easier to keep in sync with the original |
| 11:03:57 | preglow | ok |
| 11:03:59 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:04:00 | preglow | yes |
| 11:08:41 | preglow | but ok, i'm testing to see if synth.c opt breaks anything |
| 11:08:50 | preglow | if not, i'll stuff it in |
| 11:08:57 | LinusN | wonderful |
| 11:09:03 | amiconn | Bagder et al: The "file type string buffer empty" isn't really a bug, it's just a bit misleading message. It should rather say "filetype string buffer full" |
| 11:09:13 | Bagder | aha |
| 11:09:17 | LinusN | hihi |
| 11:09:33 | amiconn | This is because of the supported file types increased so much that the buffer storing all the plugin names and icons is too small |
| 11:10:14 | amiconn | apps/filetypes.c line 49: #define STRING_BUFFER_SIZE 256 |
| 11:10:53 | preglow | LinusN: should i let all .idata attributes be in there as well? |
| 11:11:22 | Rick | am I to assume correctly that to add a new plugin for building, just add it to the 'SOURCES' file? |
| 11:11:22 | HCl | markun / amiconn.. whats the current idea about grayscale? |
| 11:11:28 | LinusN | preglow: do so |
| 11:11:41 | LinusN | Rick: yup |
| 11:11:43 | Rick | great |
| 11:12:18 | amiconn | Bagder: That's probably also the cause for .cgb not working... |
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| 11:12:28 | HCl | .gbc |
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| 11:14:42 | Bagder | I renamed it now |
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| 11:15:53 | amiconn | markun: The settings didn't get wiped for a strange reason; they were reset because the settings structure changed, and the settings version bumped because of that. |
| 11:16:12 | markun | amiconn: ok |
| 11:18:40 | markun | HCl: I will not be able to work on rockbox for the weekend. You can tell me if there were any ideas on grayscale on monday. |
| 11:18:50 | preglow | cvs diff insists that a couple of identical lines have changed |
| 11:18:51 | preglow | charming |
| 11:19:38 | Bagder | whitespace perhaps |
| 11:19:48 | preglow | sure as hell can't find it |
| 11:20:14 | preglow | and this is a part of the file i'm pretty sure i haven't touched |
| 11:20:46 | preglow | glow.m0f0.net/rockbox/wtf.diff |
| 11:20:51 | preglow | can you see anything different in the first lines? |
| 11:22:17 | markun | I'm off, have a nice weekend guys! |
| 11:22:33 | preglow | will |
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| 11:23:30 | Rick | good night |
| 11:23:43 | preglow | good morning |
| 11:24:36 | HCl | ok |
| 11:26:41 | LinusN | preglow: cr/lf? |
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| 11:26:51 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you have an explanation why your added .S support in the codec Makefiles "magically" fixed the heapload of inline warnings for libFLAC? |
| 11:26:55 | preglow | LinusN: can't find a cr |
| 11:27:13 | LinusN | preglow: not in the diff |
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| 11:27:43 | LinusN | perhaps the diff output doesn't contain the cr/lf differences |
| 11:28:04 | amiconn | preglow: That sometimes happens here too. Just open a source file, save it, then diff. The diff shows some lines as changed that actually arent. |
| 11:28:41 | preglow | LinusN: no dice, i reinserted lf's, and still shows diff, i'll just ignore it |
| 11:29:58 | LinusN | amiconn: i fixed those warnings long before the .S fix |
| 11:30:27 | amiconn | Not all of them, and only for gcc 3.4+ |
| 11:30:44 | amiconn | I still got loads of them when building the iriver sims on cygwin |
| 11:30:49 | amiconn | (gcc 3.3.3) |
| 11:31:03 | amiconn | They disappeared the same moment you added .S support |
| 11:31:18 | LinusN | funny |
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| 11:31:39 | amiconn | This was also observable in the build table |
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| 11:34:48 | * | HCl stretches |
| 11:35:10 | HCl | amiconn: would it be a bad thing if i added grayscale support to rockboy in cvs, disabled like how dynarec is disabled? |
| 11:37:23 | preglow | ok |
| 11:37:32 | preglow | did i commit |
| 11:37:37 | preglow | should nok break sims this time |
| 11:37:45 | preglow | s/did i/i did/ |
| 11:41:03 | * | HCl stares at the void of response and guesses he'll just go and add it.. |
| 11:41:37 | LinusN | add it |
| 11:41:46 | LinusN | or is there a problem adding it? |
| 11:43:26 | HCl | nop |
| 11:43:28 | HCl | not really |
| 11:43:35 | HCl | aside from that markuns grayscale isn't in cvs |
| 11:43:39 | HCl | so it can't work with cvs |
| 11:43:42 | preglow | libmad is actually 103% realtime with only the changes i added now |
| 11:43:48 | HCl | but it will when markun's patches are applied |
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| 11:44:01 | HCl | but it'll be deactivated by a define in cvs |
| 11:44:01 | stripwax | ello |
| 11:45:21 | LinusN | HCl: go ahead, you're the rockboy boss |
| 11:45:31 | LinusN | stripwax: yo |
| 11:45:50 | HCl | okies |
| 11:45:53 | LinusN | what are markuns patches? |
| 11:45:59 | stripwax | how's iriver audio looking (sounding)? |
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| 11:46:13 | LinusN | stripwax: i haven't had time to work on it |
| 11:47:56 | LinusN | preglow: so what's our next move on libmad? |
| 11:48:16 | preglow | LinusN: santize the imdct opt i made |
| 11:48:33 | preglow | LinusN: and then i plan to make version of synth_full that doesn't use OPT_SSO |
| 11:49:08 | stripwax | is it possible to trace/profile the code using bdm? |
| 11:49:31 | LinusN | stripwax: yes, but not with gdb |
| 11:49:48 | LinusN | preglow: 95% with my test file |
| 11:49:50 | stripwax | shame |
| 11:50:59 | preglow | LinusN: what bitrate is it? |
| 11:51:07 | LinusN | flac is 104% with my test file |
| 11:52:38 | preglow | does ata driver use pio mode? |
| 11:52:58 | LinusN | yes |
| 11:53:07 | preglow | libflac is 170% realtime with my file |
| 11:53:24 | preglow | at 120mhz |
| 11:53:34 | LinusN | 120MHz here too |
| 11:53:35 | preglow | drops to about 150 |
| 11:53:40 | preglow | but stays there |
| 11:53:43 | preglow | LinusN: how did you encode it? |
| 11:53:59 | LinusN | i got it from someone in this channel |
| 11:54:20 | HCl | LinusN: um, i have them.. shall i put them on ftp? as far as i know, they pretty much enable native 2bit grayscale for the iriver |
| 11:54:33 | preglow | weird, even with a −−best encode, i end up at around 145% |
| 11:54:35 | HCl | and just switch rockbox's format to 4 pixels / byte |
| 11:55:02 | HCl | but its prolly best to wait for markun, he's cleaned them up and stuff |
| 11:55:03 | LinusN | HCl: let me see |
| 11:55:03 | preglow | i need some food |
| 11:55:31 | HCl | hold on.. can you accept dcc..? |
| 11:55:48 | LinusN | preglow: what's opt_sso? |
| 11:55:53 | LinusN | HCl: no |
| 11:56:11 | HCl | ok |
| 11:56:12 | HCl | hold on |
| 11:56:43 | HCl | ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/grayscale.tgz |
| 11:58:42 | preglow | LinusN: optimisation that lets you do subband synthesis with a 32 bit accumulator, i used that at the time, since i wasn't quite certain how emac fractional mode would work |
| 11:59:19 | preglow | LinusN: it's enabled if you have no architecture specific MAC macros defined, which we do not have |
| 11:59:31 | LinusN | and how would non-sso perform? |
| 11:59:40 | preglow | good, once i code support for it |
| 11:59:55 | preglow | equally good |
| 11:59:56 | LinusN | compared to the sso version? |
| 11:59:58 | preglow | no difference for us |
| 12:00 |
| 12:00:06 | preglow | just get more precision |
| 12:00:26 | LinusN | we will probably have to find ways to trade quality for performance |
| 12:00:42 | preglow | i might actually want to postpone makeing it use no SSO_OPT, it's not going to make a lot of difference |
| 12:00:54 | preglow | and spend time doing more vital stuff |
| 12:01:44 | * | HCl commits grayscale |
| 12:01:47 | HCl | for rockboy |
| 12:01:50 | HCl | not for rockbox |
| 12:02:24 | stripwax | neat-o |
| 12:04:16 | preglow | but i'll go generate some food |
| 12:05:42 | LinusN | preglow: btw, my test file is 320kbit/s |
| 12:06:15 | LinusN | iRiver, Catch the digital flow!.mp3 |
| 12:06:16 | LinusN | :-) |
| 12:06:34 | preglow | hahahah |
| 12:06:46 | preglow | LinusN: that's bound to do some more damage than my 192 avg. vbr |
| 12:07:56 | preglow | hmm, my sim build has invalid plugins |
| 12:08:04 | preglow | failed to load /.rockbox/rocks/cube.rock |
| 12:08:05 | preglow | dlopen(archos/.rockbox/rocks/cube.rock): archos/.rockbox/rocks/cube.rock: invalid ELF header |
| 12:08:08 | preglow | Segmentation fault |
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| 12:10:02 | * | HCl builds a grayscale rockbox/rockboy from cvs... |
| 12:11:16 | LinusN | jyp: found your next project: mt-500/index-en.html">http://ferenczy.dump.cz/mt-500/index-en.html |
| 12:11:58 | jyp | hehe ;) |
| 12:12:06 | jyp | we'll see in due time ;) |
| 12:12:10 | HCl | :P |
| 12:14:50 | HCl | for anyone interested; ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/rockbox.zip -> grayscale rockbox/rockboy |
| 12:16:39 | HCl | its nice that grayscale doesn't seem to slow it down much |
| 12:17:34 | DeadMan | kickin! |
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| 12:19:12 | LinusN | HCl: look cool |
| 12:19:30 | LinusN | i can't even make it past the first brick wall in marioland :-( |
| 12:19:38 | HCl | aw, why not? o.o |
| 12:19:39 | * | LinusN is a gameboy loser |
| 12:19:51 | HCl | :p |
| 12:19:59 | LinusN | i can't make him jump high/far enough |
| 12:20:01 | HCl | there are savestates now |
| 12:20:05 | HCl | you can save right before the jump |
| 12:20:09 | HCl | and try again and again and again |
| 12:20:10 | HCl | till you got it :P |
| 12:20:14 | preglow | you need to run there, don't you? |
| 12:20:21 | HCl | you need to hold the play button |
| 12:20:29 | HCl | the longer you hold it the higher you jump |
| 12:20:38 | ashridah | yeah, holding the jump button jumps higher |
| 12:21:37 | LinusN | holding! aha! |
| 12:21:44 | HCl | hehehe |
| 12:21:51 | LinusN | i was stuck in my giana sisters mode |
| 12:22:05 | LinusN | where you ran a few more steps to jump higher |
| 12:22:37 | LinusN | grayscale lowers the contrast, doesn't it? |
| 12:23:02 | HCl | uh. |
| 12:23:05 | HCl | i dunno |
| 12:23:31 | HCl | this is clean cvs + grayscale.tgz from my ftp |
| 12:23:33 | LinusN | my screen got darker with your version |
| 12:23:43 | HCl | well |
| 12:23:50 | HCl | markun added the background in the normal rockbox |
| 12:23:54 | HCl | to be one of the grayscales |
| 12:24:15 | LinusN | why? |
| 12:24:23 | HCl | i'm not sure, to test, i guess. |
| 12:24:27 | HCl | i prefer it to be white |
| 12:24:34 | HCl | but i'm not exactly sure where in the code its located |
| 12:25:25 | LinusN | lunch time |
| 12:26:52 | HCl | the save state stuff of pabs has some bugs.. but i'll fix that later.. i really want to get the lcd modes to work.. |
| 12:29:08 | El_Barto2 | anyone know why i have a cable with videoutput with my gmini 120? |
| 12:29:20 | ashridah | HCl: need to be able to toggle certain buttons, to get 'run' |
| 12:29:31 | HCl | ashridah: mm? |
| 12:29:37 | HCl | what do you mean? |
| 12:30:06 | HCl | i know there's button work to be done.. but i really want to get lcd to work first.. |
| 12:30:41 | ashridah | HCl: i'm just saying, pressing a button constantly is a bit of a bitch. need to have it 'on + press == off for a tic then on again) |
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| 12:31:01 | HCl | huh? i don't understand what you mean :/ |
| 12:31:02 | ripnetuk | Did someone say giana sisters :) one of the best games of all time |
| 12:31:06 | HCl | lol. |
| 12:31:54 | ashridah | HCl: i'm basically asking for a way to set a button to be held on without actually holding it :) |
| 12:32:03 | HCl | oh. |
| 12:32:12 | HCl | yea, shouldn't be much of a problem to add that |
| 12:32:19 | HCl | i'm planning to use remote buttons for functions like that |
| 12:32:49 | HCl | for now, i want to add more ways to deal with the 16 dropped lines |
| 12:32:53 | HCl | since they're really annoying me with mario |
| 12:32:59 | HCl | - i keep dropping in holes i can't see :3 |
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| 12:35:06 | ripnetuk | hcl - could we maybe rotate the screen 90 degrees, then you lose left and right margin, not top or bottom? or is the aspect ratio on the iriver not what it looks like? |
| 12:35:24 | HCl | um. |
| 12:35:52 | ripnetuk | might make mario and tetris playable |
| 12:35:57 | HCl | then you'd have too many vertical lines |
| 12:36:17 | ripnetuk | yeah, its a compromise |
| 12:36:27 | HCl | and you'd lose not 16, but 32 lines |
| 12:36:29 | HCl | on the side |
| 12:36:38 | * | ripnetuk tries newest cvs |
| 12:36:48 | HCl | get grayrockbox.zip from my ftp |
| 12:36:56 | HCl | its pretty much state of the art as it is at the moment |
| 12:37:13 | ripnetuk | grayrockbox - i thought the grayscale stuff was in cvs now... |
| 12:37:29 | HCl | only for rockboy |
| 12:37:32 | HCl | not for rockbox |
| 12:37:39 | HCl | and rockboy can't do grayscale while rockbox doesn't support it |
| 12:37:59 | ripnetuk | i see... can u remind me the ftp addy (yet) again please ;) |
| 12:38:13 | HCl | you can also get grayscale.tgz with current cvs |
| 12:38:25 | HCl | and uncomment the grayscale define in rockboy's makefile |
| 12:38:32 | HCl | ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/ |
| 12:38:39 | ripnetuk | i think i will just grab your binaries for now - thanks HCl |
| 12:39:10 | HCl | np |
| 12:39:20 | DeadMan | is any work being done on LCD remote? |
| 12:39:31 | * | ripnetuk loves scp - my work has blocked ftp, so I have to ftp to home server, and scp to work :) |
| 12:39:41 | HCl | hehe :) |
| 12:40:02 | DeadMan | The remote LCD could be interesting |
| 12:40:11 | DeadMan | fitting in info |
| 12:40:13 | ripnetuk | DeadMAn - until we have a proper driver for it, I reckon we should at least scroll the rockbox logo across it :) |
| 12:40:32 | DeadMan | as long as I can see what I am ding :) |
| 12:40:33 | ripnetuk | hcl - does grayrockbox need you to manually boost the cpu? |
| 12:40:35 | DeadMan | doing |
| 12:40:38 | HCl | nope |
| 12:40:43 | ripnetuk | nice |
| 12:40:46 | HCl | it automatically boosts to 120mhz |
| 12:40:51 | ripnetuk | 120? |
| 12:40:56 | HCl | yea, linus increased it |
| 12:41:06 | Lynx_awy | is the temperature issue solved? |
| 12:41:07 | ripnetuk | woah! i missed that... what happened? |
| 12:41:18 | HCl | he didn't seem to have any trouble at 120mhz |
| 12:41:20 | Bagder | Lynx_awy: no |
| 12:41:31 | ripnetuk | how did he solve the crashing, presumed overheating? |
| 12:41:39 | DeadMan | might be worth making sure apps only use that as a max |
| 12:41:50 | HCl | well, that happens at 140mhz, not 120mhz, as far as i know |
| 12:41:52 | Bagder | ripnetuk: he didn't, that was at 140 |
| 12:42:17 | ripnetuk | oh yeah <−−−− me->memory != good |
| 12:42:17 | DeadMan | I think iRiver use 96 as a cautious measure and to cut down on battery use? |
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| 12:42:30 | HCl | yup |
| 12:42:38 | ripnetuk | im guessing iriver use the lowest they can with their mp3 decoder still working |
| 12:42:50 | DeadMan | that would make more sense |
| 12:42:53 | ripnetuk | so is rockbox real time now then? |
| 12:42:53 | HCl | i'm not sure what to think of 120mhz either, i'm still gonna work on dynarec to cut it down more. |
| 12:42:57 | ripnetuk | rockboy |
| 12:43:02 | HCl | yea, pretty much |
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| 12:43:13 | * | ripnetuk likes |
| 12:43:15 | HCl | it didn't speed up as much as i hoped, but the mario seconds seem to roughly be a second |
| 12:43:46 | DeadMan | 104% realtime libmad. Could do with a lot lower if possible |
| 12:44:05 | * | HCl hears his belly rumble, goes to search for food |
| 12:44:32 | DeadMan | more realtime that is. what do you think you could ramp it up to? |
| 12:44:36 | ripnetuk | HCl - you kudos ! that is fantastic |
| 12:45:09 | HCl | hehe :p |
| 12:45:12 | HCl | kudos? :P |
| 12:46:04 | DeadMan | if iRiver DID use 96Mhz for MP3 playback as the minimum they could clock the cpu down to maybe that is what to aim for with libmad optimization? |
| 12:46:33 | DeadMan | I dunno I'm just guessing :) |
| 12:46:58 | Lynx_ | could libmad ever be optimized as good as a decoder written specifically for the processor? |
| 12:47:07 | DeadMan | hmm |
| 12:47:14 | DeadMan | Preglow may know |
| 12:47:15 | Bagder | "ever" ? sure |
| 12:47:25 | Bagder | given infinite time and effort, everything is |
| 12:47:26 | stripwax | Deadman - I'd agree, although tremor's likely to use more CPU right? if ogg decode runs realtime at 96Mhz for iriver, libmad should be faster |
| 12:47:39 | Lynx_ | Bagder: if it's rewritten 90%? ;) |
| 12:47:42 | DeadMan | that is true |
| 12:47:45 | stripwax | unless iRiver ramps CPU up for ogg decoding (? would explain shorter battery life) |
| 12:48:04 | DeadMan | would need to decompile the iRiver firmware to know ;) |
| 12:48:25 | HCl | i think that eventually we'll wind up either rewriting 90% or looking at iriver firmware's codecs |
| 12:48:27 | Bagder | why bother about how they do it? |
| 12:48:38 | HCl | either way, i'm happy that i can at least play gameboy games now :P |
| 12:49:02 | DeadMan | it's always handy to look at how others do it for pointers on beating it ;) |
| 12:49:26 | Bagder | HCl: there's also the option of using a decoder with less quality and format-support ambitions than libmad |
| 12:49:36 | DeadMan | Playing games is the least concern to me but hey... |
| 12:50:06 | Bagder | I think libmad's high ambition in playing with high quality is what gives us performance problems |
| 12:50:11 | DeadMan | MP1 and 2 is not really needed |
| 12:50:29 | DeadMan | I don't know many people who use such formats |
| 12:51:34 | DeadMan | MP2 is only used for PCM MPEG1/2 movies |
| 12:51:47 | DeadMan | No idea what MP1 is used for |
| 12:51:48 | stripwax | bagder - it should be possible to tune libmad to trade off quality vs performance (in fact LinusN was suggesting exactly that, but only in reference to one small part of libmad). |
| 12:51:49 | Bagder | and some sat radio stuff too I believe |
| 12:52:00 | LinusN | from what i have heard, iriver runs at 72MHz for mp3 and 96Mhz for ogg |
| 12:52:21 | Bagder | stripwax: of course it is possible, the question is just how much work it requires |
| 12:52:34 | Bagder | and how much libmad that is left when done ;-) |
| 12:52:44 | DeadMan | I say get the API in place forst and optimize the decoder after that |
| 12:52:57 | Bagder | nooooo, let's have more games first! ;-P |
| 12:53:10 | stripwax | Bagder - I'd agree with DeadMan |
| 12:53:12 | ripnetuk | i thought that mp3 was very specific about decoding (ie, the decoding is deterministic), but slack in the encoding (ie, the encoders can work how they like). How therefore can you sacrifice quality for speed? is it in the post-processing filtering? |
| 12:53:15 | stripwax | LinusN - ah, thanks! |
| 12:53:23 | DMJC | how much sound stuff works? |
| 12:53:49 | ripnetuk | i like the menus on rockboy |
| 12:54:07 | stripwax | ripnetuk - if you decode an mp3 using internally 16-bit data, the output will not be as good as if you use internally 32-bit data (for example). So it's the precision on the math within the mp3 decoder |
| 12:54:08 | LinusN | DMJC: nothing (in cvs) |
| 12:54:20 | * | DMJC cries |
| 12:54:29 | DeadMan | to get the tradeoff in quality vs. decoding right would you not need to analyze the waveform on output? |
| 12:54:48 | LinusN | you can derive it mathematically |
| 12:54:57 | stripwax | ripnetuk - there's *also* post processing filtering, I'm not sure what libmad does there (e.g. we could turn off dithering if it's built in) |
| 12:54:57 | ripnetuk | i see |
| 12:55:15 | LinusN | but you'd have to listen to observe the effects of course |
| 12:55:26 | DeadMan | I can never hear the diff between 16bit,24bit and 32bit anyhow ;) |
| 12:56:01 | stripwax | DeadMan - I'm not talking about the final result, just the precision of all of the calculations used to *get* to the final result |
| 12:56:08 | preglow | you can simplify things quite a bit before resolution drops under 16 bits |
| 12:57:53 | * | HCl sighs. |
| 12:58:09 | * | DeadMan size |
| 12:58:09 | ripnetuk | my reference was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mp3 (the bit under DEciding of MP3 audio)... i guess we are not going to be 'bitstream compliant' ! |
| 12:58:16 | HCl | i'd appreciate it if anyone would look at rockboy cvs, particularly everything concerning fb.mode, and tell me wth is wrong with it :/ |
| 12:58:23 | preglow | ripnetuk: well, yes, we probably will be |
| 12:59:18 | stripwax | (cool, they're playing an autechre track as background music on Channel4) |
| 12:59:42 | preglow | ripnetuk: the wording is wrong, you don't have to get the EXACT same output, there are tolerance levels |
| 12:59:44 | ripnetuk | did anyone see those programs on c4 about camp xray? |
| 12:59:49 | ashridah | bahaha, the ending of super mario land is silly |
| 12:59:50 | preglow | ripnetuk: libmad has an overview on its homepage |
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| 13:00:01 | ashridah | the princess HAD A DAMN SHIP ALREADY |
| 13:00:07 | stripwax | ashridah - chuckle! |
| 13:00:12 | * | ashridah shakes fist at absurdity |
| 13:00:28 | ashridah | i'm guessing she didn't want to break a nail or something |
| 13:00:30 | ripnetuk | ive never seen a game with a good ending |
| 13:00:41 | stripwax | ripnetuk - Chase HQ had a great ending |
| 13:00:50 | preglow | ff8's ending wasn't half bad either |
| 13:00:58 | ripnetuk | did it? i never got very far on that... never played the ff games |
| 13:01:12 | preglow | i've played all of them :P |
| 13:01:15 | preglow | even the nes ones |
| 13:01:23 | stripwax | Any, back on topic, I thought 'bitstream compliance' was all about whether *any* decoder could decode the output of *any* encoder; and not that the decoded output would always be identical |
| 13:01:26 | ripnetuk | i bought one for the psx, but never got very far |
| 13:01:34 | preglow | stripwax: correct |
| 13:01:46 | preglow | stripwax: but there are also compliance tests, your output has to be reasonably similar |
| 13:02:01 | ripnetuk | so wikipedia is wrong? we ought to correct it |
| 13:02:26 | preglow | libmad has a full overview of compliant codecs on its homepage |
| 13:02:46 | stripwax | preglow - oh, neat - i'll check that out |
| 13:03:28 | preglow | http://www.underbit.com/resources/mpeg/audio/compliance/ |
| 13:03:46 | stripwax | preglow - cools |
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| 13:05:46 | stripwax | Interesting that "MAD(optimised for speed)" is still fully compliant |
| 13:05:59 | preglow | libmad is fully compliant even in OPT_SPEED mode |
| 13:06:55 | ripnetuk | looks like mad is VERY compliant |
| 13:06:57 | stripwax | wonder what iRiver's mp3 decoder is ... |
| 13:07:33 | LinusN | very non-compliant |
| 13:08:07 | stripwax | mmm, is the output of MAD always 24 bits? sorry if that's a dumb question - that compliance page doesn't mention any 16-bit output variant |
| 13:08:19 | ripnetuk | Linus - is that allegeedly very non compliant, or case proved :) |
| 13:08:36 | ripnetuk | i think it /sounds/ qquite good |
| 13:08:47 | LinusN | i have a whole bunch of files that it simply won't play |
| 13:08:49 | preglow | it doesn't decode layers 1 and 2 |
| 13:08:55 | preglow | so not, it's not compliant |
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| 13:09:07 | ripnetuk | i know it doesnt do 1 and 2 as it wont play streams ripped from freeview on my dvb card |
| 13:09:09 | LinusN | not even bitstream compliant in that sense |
| 13:09:38 | ripnetuk | i think we are being a little harsh on it - it is a mp3 player after all |
| 13:09:43 | LinusN | preglow: how's synth_full() today? |
| 13:09:50 | preglow | LinusN: commited? |
| 13:10:14 | preglow | haven't dont much after commiting |
| 13:10:20 | LinusN | i'm blind |
| 13:10:33 | preglow | now you tell me |
| 13:10:36 | * | HCl gets really frustrated >.< |
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| 13:12:09 | * | HCl sighs. |
| 13:12:19 | * | HCl needs help :/ anyone got some time and an iriver? :/ |
| 13:12:28 | stripwax | quote from MAD page- "In one circumstance, MAD is a limited accuracy ISO/IEC 11172-3 audio decoder. This is true when MAD is forced to use an approximation version of its fixed-point multiply routine, and is easily avoided." - is that an option that we could potentially enable to reduce cpu time? |
| 13:12:37 | stripwax | HCI sure, what's up |
| 13:13:11 | HCl | stripwax: i'm not able to get fb.mode to work... if you have a current cvs checkout, do grep -C 3 fb.mode * in the rockboy dir... |
| 13:13:28 | HCl | fb.mode needs to be able to be set to either 0 or 1, selecting different drop-line modes |
| 13:13:34 | stripwax | HCI - I've never yet successfully built rockbox .. this could be a long morning :-() |
| 13:13:38 | stripwax | oops, was meant to be a :-) |
| 13:13:40 | HCl | ok :X |
| 13:13:40 | preglow | stripwax: no, we're using emac unit as far as we can, and that's full precision and fast |
| 13:13:49 | HCl | if i set fb.mode to 1 instead of 0 in the vid_init section |
| 13:13:50 | HCl | it works |
| 13:13:57 | preglow | well, full precision it's not, but near enough |
| 13:13:59 | HCl | but i seem to be unable to set it to 1 anywhere else |
| 13:14:07 | HCl | for apparently no reason whatsoever |
| 13:15:35 | HCl | at least i can see the floor temporarily |
| 13:15:56 | HCl | if anyone wants a version of rockboy that drops the lower 16 lines rather than the upper 16, rockboy.rock on my ftp, its a non-grayscale version |
| 13:16:25 | preglow | LinusN: when i want to stuff a fucntion in .icode, do i have to add a separate identical declaration including the __attribute__ statement above the normal declaration? |
| 13:16:44 | preglow | LinusN: it doesn't seem to work if i just add __attribute__ to the one that's already there |
| 13:17:03 | LinusN | preglow: exactly |
| 13:17:16 | stripwax | (checking out all of rockbox for first time .. woohoo!) |
| 13:18:05 | preglow | LinusN: any way to avoid that? it looks nasty :V |
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| 13:18:28 | amiconn | preglow: Well, the __attribute__ needs to be added to the function *declaration*, not the function definition. |
| 13:19:02 | preglow | ahh, yes, and the synth.c boys don't have declarations |
| 13:19:12 | LinusN | HCl: what's the problem with fb.mode? |
| 13:19:27 | HCl | i wish i knew! :( |
| 13:19:32 | HCl | its refusing to set it to 1 |
| 13:19:34 | HCl | in my button driver |
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| 13:19:58 | HCl | and i have no idea why |
| 13:21:01 | HCl | its supposed to be really simple code, but for some odd reason, its just not working |
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| 13:21:25 | AC | hi |
| 13:21:49 | HCl | hello.. |
| 13:23:30 | AC | HC1: ...can't work without markuns patch -> where can i get the pacht? |
| 13:24:09 | HCl | ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/grayscale.tgz |
| 13:24:53 | HCl | and you need to uncomment the grayscale define in rockboy's makefile |
| 13:25:44 | LinusN | HCl: when is vid_begin() called? |
| 13:26:00 | HCl | LinusN: right before the emulation |
| 13:26:06 | AC | ok thanks |
| 13:26:31 | Chamois | i tyhink it's not normal that vorbis2wav or wv2wav have disapperaed in the viewer |
| 13:26:52 | LinusN | HCl: it's called repeatedly during the emulation |
| 13:27:03 | HCl | doh. |
| 13:27:06 | HCl | thanks. |
| 13:27:07 | LinusN | see emu_run() |
| 13:27:17 | Chamois | two rockboy, two mpa2wav and two a52towav instead of them |
| 13:27:25 | HCl | you're right, i'm dumb, thanks :) |
| 13:27:35 | HCl | lcd modes will be in cvs soon |
| 13:28:43 | ripnetuk | dumb question - if I 'play' a mp3 at the moment, I would expect the mpa2wav plugin to convert it to wav, and dump it in the root - 1. do i get any feedback, like progress report, and 2. why isnt is working? |
| 13:29:52 | LinusN | mp3 playback is not handled by the viewer plugins |
| 13:30:03 | LinusN | you'd have to do "open with" |
| 13:30:19 | ripnetuk | ah ha... |
| 13:31:16 | HCl | there, thats in cvs |
| 13:31:19 | HCl | now to work on more modes |
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| 13:31:44 | Chamois | what are the lcd modes ? |
| 13:34:01 | LinusN | HCl: how about losing every 8 pixel line? |
| 13:34:11 | HCl | LinusN: planned, planned. |
| 13:34:15 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:34:16 | HCl | working on it :) |
| 13:34:39 | HCl | Chamois: hold button selects top/bottom row drop |
| 13:34:58 | Chamois | oh |
| 13:34:58 | Chamois | ok |
| 13:34:59 | preglow | why does daily build generator report no changes? |
| 13:35:05 | preglow | there clearly was, or it wouldn't compile |
| 13:36:17 | Bagder | because it hasn't kept up with my new way of doing the builds |
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| 13:37:32 | LinusN | where can i find the iriverify plugin patch? |
| 13:40:48 | AC | LinusN: what should this patch do? |
| 13:41:18 | LinusN | convert rockbox generated playlists to a format that the iriver firmware understands |
| 13:41:27 | AC | ah.. |
| 13:43:28 | AC | LinusN: what is the current stuff you are working on? |
| 13:45:41 | LinusN | work :-) |
| 13:45:57 | HCl | LinusN: wouldn't losing every 8th line drop 3 lines too many? |
| 13:46:02 | HCl | i mean, 2 |
| 13:46:12 | HCl | shouldn't i drop every 9th line instead? |
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| 13:47:45 | LinusN | how high is the original screen? 144? |
| 13:47:47 | DeadMan | they are working on games :P |
| 13:47:49 | DeadMan | ;) |
| 13:47:49 | HCl | yea. |
| 13:47:52 | HCl | let me commit this |
| 13:47:54 | HCl | i must say |
| 13:47:56 | ghode|afk | HCl: does grayrockbox.zip incude the hold button thingie? |
| 13:47:58 | HCl | the mode i just added |
| 13:48:01 | HCl | works really well |
| 13:48:03 | HCl | ghode|afk: no |
| 13:48:37 | DeadMan | Blame HCI for pestering the other devs ;) |
| 13:48:44 | ripnetuk | HCl - did u say I can get a grayscale rockbox by altering a define in the makefile? |
| 13:48:56 | HCl | ripnetuk: yes, you need the patch from my ftp, grayscale.tgz |
| 13:48:58 | DeadMan | j/k |
| 13:49:04 | HCl | and uncomment the -DGRAYSCALE |
| 13:49:07 | HCl | in the rockboy make file |
| 13:49:11 | ripnetuk | i might wait until it makes cvs |
| 13:49:27 | HCl | mhm |
| 13:50:01 | LinusN | HCl: every 9th line sounds reasonable |
| 13:50:21 | AC | grayscale should get it into cvs.. |
| 13:50:54 | jyp | _sound_ should get into cvs ... :P |
| 13:51:12 | ghode|afk | jyp: agree ;p |
| 13:51:18 | AC | wav playback seems to work :) |
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| 13:52:03 | ripnetuk | whats the holdup on grayscale? its seems to work really nicely on that build I got from HCl |
| 13:52:36 | DeadMan | By the power of grayscale! I have the power! |
| 13:52:37 | HCl | ripnetuk: we're not agreeing yet on the internal rockbox framebuffer format |
| 13:52:58 | DeadMan | Heheman |
| 13:52:58 | AC | hmm.. |
| 13:53:41 | DeadMan | I just bashed my humourous and I cried instead of laughed |
| 13:54:27 | DeadMan | I need to get a file to this desks metal runners. They are too sharp. |
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| 14:00:54 | HCl | xD ok, i think my new mode is rather bugged xD |
| 14:00:59 | stripwax | DeadMan - chuckles |
| 14:01:09 | AC | HC1: How should look the internal framebuffer look like? |
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| 14:02:00 | HCl | AC: 4 bits per pixel, for rockboy grayscale |
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| 14:02:43 | LinusN | 4 bits per pixel? why not 2? |
| 14:03:20 | HCl | errr |
| 14:03:27 | HCl | 4 pixels per byyytte |
| 14:03:28 | HCl | sorry |
| 14:03:28 | HCl | xD |
| 14:03:35 | HCl | i'm obviously not awake yet |
| 14:03:54 | HCl | and 2 bits per pixel |
| 14:05:49 | AC | is markun working on it? |
| 14:08:52 | Chamois | why in the "Open with " menu is there two times rockboy, map2wav a52towav ? |
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| 14:09:13 | Bagder | Chamois: we await your bug fix ;-) |
| 14:11:55 | HCl | hm, dropping a line every 9 lines proves more diffult than i had hoped |
| 14:13:57 | amiconn | DeadMan: MP2 support *is* needed imho. DAB radio is just one example that uses it. |
| 14:14:54 | HCl | annoying scanlines.. |
| 14:15:02 | amiconn | Anyway, Stephane Tavenard's decoder supports all 3 layers as well, and it should be faster than libmad... |
| 14:15:18 | amiconn | The only thing it doesn't support corectly is 8 kHz iirc |
| 14:18:49 | preglow | amiconn: url, please |
| 14:18:59 | Chamois | http://www.uclinux.org/ports/coldfire/nettelmp3.html |
| 14:19:03 | Chamois | :-) |
| 14:19:50 | DeadMan | whatever works :) |
| 14:20:13 | HCl | oops. |
| 14:20:52 | DeadMan | that motto works for ms |
| 14:20:53 | Bagder | claims to play fine at 90MHz coldfire |
| 14:21:11 | preglow | unless i remember incorrectly, wasn't that pure asm? |
| 14:21:25 | Bagder | http://www.uclinux.org/ports/coldfire/cf-mpegdec_19991021.tar.gz |
| 14:21:55 | preglow | having a portable lib for other ports of rockbox would be better |
| 14:22:00 | preglow | but performance is important as well |
| 14:22:26 | LinusN | we can at least get some ideas from it |
| 14:22:34 | Bagder | it is not pure asm in the package at least |
| 14:22:54 | DeadMan | 90Mhz might be a bit too slow where battery life is concerned |
| 14:23:11 | DeadMan | Linus mentioned 72Mhz for MP3 playback |
| 14:23:19 | preglow | it'll probably be realtime for us, after stuffing it in iram |
| 14:23:20 | DeadMan | on iRiver's own decoder |
| 14:23:42 | Bagder | people should stop caring so much about what iriver does or doesn't |
| 14:24:01 | ripnetuk | its nice to know that it is possible though |
| 14:24:22 | Bagder | yes, but we don't know how much optmizes or asm that take |
| 14:24:23 | DeadMan | it's more about worrying about battery life than how iRiver does such and such :) |
| 14:24:41 | Bagder | I say we play music first, then worry about batteries |
| 14:24:49 | DeadMan | heh |
| 14:24:55 | DeadMan | I say you are right |
| 14:25:07 | DeadMan | optimize later. just get it up and running for now |
| 14:25:28 | ripnetuk | is the processor usage really significant given that the hdd EATS power like nothing else? |
| 14:25:31 | preglow | the epitome of elegance |
| 14:25:39 | preglow | it requires a 4 kb lookup table for pows... |
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| 14:26:04 | Bagder | ripnetuk: well, with 30MB of ram it might be 30 minutes between HD spins |
| 14:26:24 | Bagder | during 30 mins, I guess 20MHz makes a difference |
| 14:26:27 | ripnetuk | i guess... |
| 14:26:47 | LinusN | it doesn't use the EMAC! |
| 14:27:04 | Bagder | that is good news then |
| 14:27:09 | ripnetuk | in fact, is it even worth loading that much in at once? i usually only listen to the thing for 30 mins at a time... there must be a point where its not economical to load in 30megs just in case... also, I very rearely listen through, i am forever swapping tracks |
| 14:27:38 | preglow | not only doesn't it do that, it uses coldfire incompatible assembly |
| 14:27:41 | Bagder | ripnetuk: yes, it might be worth doing some statistics to figure that out |
| 14:27:53 | ripnetuk | altough ususally i press next on shuffle, so chances are the track I want is somewhere in the 30 megs |
| 14:28:12 | preglow | it should preload shuffled tracks as well |
| 14:28:18 | stripwax | definitely |
| 14:28:21 | LinusN | ripnetuk: it will *always* be next |
| 14:28:24 | ripnetuk | preglow - im assuming it will |
| 14:28:30 | LinusN | "will" |
| 14:28:39 | preglow | i am assuming it already does |
| 14:28:41 | LinusN | rockbox exists today, remember that |
| 14:28:46 | ripnetuk | i wonder how iriver do it (i know, i know!) |
| 14:29:03 | preglow | ripnetuk: they don't, their hard disk handling is horrible, don't go there |
| 14:29:05 | HCl | ug. |
| 14:29:09 | stripwax | they don't afaict. they just load as much of the current track |
| 14:29:10 | ripnetuk | lol |
| 14:29:12 | HCl | i'm not having much luck dropping every 9 lines... |
| 14:29:12 | DeadMan | lol |
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| 14:29:48 | ripnetuk | dammit there are a lot of gamebopy roms |
| 14:30:48 | DeadMan | do you have to adjust each game to work? |
| 14:30:56 | HCl | ? |
| 14:31:04 | ripnetuk | no |
| 14:31:13 | ripnetuk | but you have to scp them to work to get them onto your iriverv :) |
| 14:31:19 | LinusN | preglow: incompatible assembly? |
| 14:31:27 | preglow | LinusN: it think it uses 68k assembly |
| 14:31:42 | LinusN | it is supposedly ported to coldfire |
| 14:31:47 | stripwax | HCI - gameboy is just a Z80? |
| 14:32:07 | preglow | LinusN: translating 68k code to coldfire code is on the todo list in readme |
| 14:32:13 | stripwax | oops |
| 14:32:13 | Bagder | no |
| 14:32:36 | Bagder | it says it builds for coldfire in the readme |
| 14:32:39 | LinusN | preglow: but they claim to have run it |
| 14:32:39 | HCl | yes... |
| 14:32:44 | preglow | sure that's just not with c routines? |
| 14:33:07 | preglow | i dunno |
| 14:33:14 | preglow | someone should try building it :) |
| 14:33:14 | LinusN | preglow: that's correct |
| 14:33:16 | * | preglow hides |
| 14:33:19 | LinusN | only c |
| 14:33:35 | stripwax | HCI was the core based on another gameboy emu or was it written from scratch? |
| 14:33:42 | preglow | stripwax: gnuboy |
| 14:33:45 | LinusN | leaves a lot of room for assembler opts then |
| 14:33:50 | stripwax | preglow cool thx |
| 14:33:55 | preglow | yes, it should be worth a go |
| 14:34:48 | preglow | reading other peoples poorly documented asm code is no fun |
| 14:35:21 | LinusN | :-) |
| 14:35:59 | preglow | LinusN: how much iram can we count on having available in a codec? 32kb? |
| 14:36:10 | LinusN | 32k seems reasonable |
| 14:36:17 | LinusN | i'd prefer less |
| 14:36:33 | LinusN | we need iram for the filters too |
| 14:36:45 | LinusN | mixer etc |
| 14:37:06 | preglow | arhh, yes |
| 14:37:33 | preglow | that's not very much |
| 14:37:50 | LinusN | we must use the iram wisely |
| 14:38:06 | LinusN | and make good use of the cache instead of running code in iram |
| 14:38:27 | preglow | iram is almost half filled already |
| 14:38:29 | preglow | in mpa2wav |
| 14:38:38 | LinusN | ugh |
| 14:38:57 | preglow | and that's just containing subband synthesis data and libmad stuff we probably need |
| 14:41:44 | LinusN | the mpegdec code looks pretty straightforward |
| 14:42:04 | preglow | iram end is at 0x10016100 |
| 14:42:18 | preglow | no code in iram |
| 14:42:54 | LinusN | mpegsub.c is pretty intimidating at first sight :-) |
| 14:43:15 | preglow | ajhahahahah |
| 14:43:23 | preglow | let's play "spot the dct" |
| 14:44:08 | LinusN | :-) |
| 14:44:16 | Bagder | that's my favourite family game |
| 14:44:26 | LinusN | the kids love it |
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| 14:47:52 | preglow | don't think we need the entire libmad structs in iram |
| 14:48:01 | LinusN | probably not |
| 14:48:03 | preglow | but putting just parts of it in iram is... tricky... |
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| 14:48:24 | LinusN | we would need some serious profiling to squeeze the last cycles out of it |
| 14:48:35 | preglow | yes |
| 14:48:44 | preglow | and right now we can't profile |
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| 14:48:55 | LinusN | i think we should give mpegdec a try |
| 14:49:32 | LinusN | i just wish some insane person could add it to the codecs dir and make it build |
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| 14:50:52 | * | preglow hides |
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| 14:51:28 | preglow | so, any takers? |
| 14:52:01 | * | LinusN is swamped with work |
| 14:52:06 | ripnetuk | cant we write a simple profile tool? i wrote one in delphi for work, and it basically keeps a tree of function references, and you have to manually call startprofile and endprofile. It keeps track of the number of times it was called, and the total time in that function. The tree lets you know where the function was called from. Ive also written a graphical displayer for this data. This has helped loads in making our product fas |
| 14:52:27 | ripnetuk | the current 'leaf' of the tree is stored in a lifo stack |
| 14:53:12 | preglow | if you can think of a simple way to make it work in our case and are willing to do some work: go ahead :D |
| 14:53:38 | ripnetuk | i might just have a go over the weekend |
| 14:53:55 | stripwax | so each function would have to log its usage at the entry point and at all exit points? that doesn't sound ideal unless it could be automatic! Also is there a danger that it could significantly slow down any (small, very frequently used) functions? |
| 14:54:06 | preglow | mpegdec doesn't even bloody have compatible makefiles |
| 14:54:15 | ripnetuk | yes, its a case of you cannot observe without changing what you observed |
| 14:54:55 | preglow | i know of another way, but will probably require disk writing from an interrupt |
| 14:55:06 | preglow | don't know if that's possible |
| 14:55:27 | ripnetuk | the main problem is you have to manually make the start/end profile calls... very easy in Delphi with try.. finalyl blocks, but in pure c, every exit path has to be considered and a endprofiel put in |
| 14:56:22 | ripnetuk | but... at the end of the day it works, ive got massive speed savings with it |
| 14:56:39 | stripwax | preglow/linus - how fast can the cpu run when using the bdm interface? |
| 14:56:50 | HCl | beeping finally |
| 14:56:51 | preglow | stripwax: don't ask me :) |
| 14:56:58 | HCl | just when i told myself "if it doesn't work now, i'll give up" |
| 14:57:01 | HCl | it works. |
| 14:57:01 | stripwax | preglow :-) |
| 14:57:15 | ripnetuk | can the gnu tools profiel automatically then? with gdb? |
| 14:57:22 | stripwax | apparently gdb cannot |
| 14:57:31 | preglow | you need gprof |
| 14:57:34 | HCl | lcd mode 4 - dropping every 9th line |
| 14:57:54 | ripnetuk | HCl - i thought you meant you has a audio beep finally :) |
| 14:58:00 | HCl | no, heh. |
| 14:58:04 | stripwax | heheh |
| 14:58:18 | ripnetuk | lunch |
| 14:58:27 | preglow | but someone code my idea, please. make a hi res timer that has the interrupt handler check it's own stack frame to see what code was executing when it was called, and log that somehow, then preprocess the data by using the map files to see what functions were used the most |
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| 14:58:53 | muesli- | hi |
| 14:59:02 | preglow | it doesn't require any mods to current code |
| 14:59:08 | stripwax | postprocess you mean? or do you want the interrupt handler to actually do the map file lookup?? |
| 14:59:16 | preglow | stripwax: yes, postprocess |
| 14:59:33 | stripwax | could we log over serial somehow? |
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| 15:00:05 | preglow | stripwax: i have no idea, if interrupt handlers can write to disk without crashing everything, you can just accumulate some data and write it from time to time |
| 15:01:03 | stripwax | i guess you could have a plugin that writes a buffer to disk - and an interrupt handler which fills that buffer? |
| 15:01:18 | preglow | better to just have the interrupt do it |
| 15:02:18 | | Quit shatting (" Want to be different? HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") |
| 15:02:30 | preglow | if you have to load a plugin, you can't profile anything anyway |
| 15:02:38 | preglow | apart from the disk writing plugin, heh |
| 15:03:05 | preglow | and if the interrupt itself does the writing, you'll have no problems with the disk accesses being profiled as well |
| 15:03:22 | preglow | but i don't know if this is feasible |
| 15:03:43 | Bagder | or, you disable that interrupt while saving |
| 15:04:04 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 15:04:08 | preglow | yes, that's a possibility |
| 15:04:14 | preglow | but this is what i think sounds the simplest to do |
| 15:04:25 | preglow | and it's pretty close to what gprof does already, afaik |
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| 15:06:04 | stripwax | preglow - :-s i didn't realise that plugins ran exclusively - oops. is there any chance that the timer interrupt could fire while the disk is already being accessed? would that break stuff? |
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| 15:06:23 | preglow | stripwax: wooptidu, indeed, didn't think of that |
| 15:06:23 | HCl | mario looks fat xD XD |
| 15:06:23 | | Part webguest95 |
| 15:06:46 | preglow | stripwax: but no, that's something we can fix |
| 15:06:57 | preglow | stripwax: it doesn't make sense to use disk accesses while profiling |
| 15:07:17 | preglow | stripwax: if i were to profile mpa2wav as it is now, the first thing i'd do is commecnt away all disk accesses |
| 15:07:38 | stripwax | preglow - mm, good point, i guess you only need to profile decoding in memory, not including loading from disk too |
| 15:07:59 | preglow | stripwax: that's most realistic as well, you'll allways do decode to memory when playing music ordinarily |
| 15:08:02 | stripwax | i.e. loading the compressed audio, *then* begin profiling |
| 15:08:05 | preglow | always, even |
| 15:08:09 | preglow | yes |
| 15:08:16 | stripwax | makes sense |
| 15:09:12 | preglow | but i'm not going to code this, i've got a staggering amount of school stuff to do |
| 15:10:00 | preglow | staggering because i've neglected it to tinker with rockbox ;) |
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| 15:11:00 | stripwax | I have a full time job but I'm off sick at the mo :-( I could take a look but it'd be the first rockbox hacking I've done |
| 15:11:20 | * | HCl grumbles about how 0 % 9 is also 0 |
| 15:11:46 | preglow | it should be that |
| 15:11:54 | stripwax | HCI - urhh, what did you expect it to be? |
| 15:12:04 | HCl | 0! but, i forgot about that :P |
| 15:12:29 | preglow | stripwax: i don't even know if we've got a high resolution timer yet, i think someone was working on it |
| 15:12:35 | stripwax | :-s |
| 15:13:00 | HCl | ugh. |
| 15:13:03 | HCl | goddd how i hate this >.<; |
| 15:13:09 | stripwax | wassup |
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| 15:13:24 | HCl | i'm having trouble making a drop-every-9th-line algorhythm |
| 15:13:56 | stripwax | (y>>3)*9+(y%8 ) right? |
| 15:14:11 | HCl | what? |
| 15:14:52 | stripwax | oh right ,sorry.. misunderstood. (y/9)*8 + (y%9) . unless I misunderstood twice now? |
| 15:15:14 | HCl | its not that simple. |
| 15:15:14 | stripwax | grr, meant %8 not %9 |
| 15:15:28 | stripwax | why not |
| 15:15:30 | HCl | first i need to drop the proper lines using a modulo |
| 15:15:36 | preglow | god, how i hate coldfire not having data cache |
| 15:15:41 | LinusN | indeed |
| 15:15:47 | * | Bagder seconds that |
| 15:15:47 | preglow | what fool decided to neglect that |
| 15:16:08 | Bagder | we should start an online petition for a public punishment of that person |
| 15:16:13 | Bagder | :-) |
| 15:16:16 | preglow | oh, i agree |
| 15:16:20 | HCl | and why the hellllll |
| 15:16:28 | HCl | do i have elton john - candle in the wind stuck in my head >.< |
| 15:16:39 | preglow | they've quite obviously got the fast memory |
| 15:16:45 | preglow | they could have used only 32kb of it as data cache |
| 15:16:56 | preglow | more than enough, and still 64kb iram for other dubious uses |
| 15:17:32 | preglow | but i need a breath of fresh air |
| 15:17:33 | preglow | bbl |
| 15:17:40 | HCl | ok. |
| 15:17:43 | HCl | i-give-up. |
| 15:17:49 | stripwax | HCI - well you drop every line where y%9 == 8, and then use (y/9)*8 + (y% 9) - and i did mean %9 not %8 after all |
| 15:17:52 | HCl | someone else can have an attempt at making it drop every 9 line |
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| 15:18:27 | HCl | i hate it having scanlines. |
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| 15:18:41 | stripwax | HCI - what's the actual problem here? |
| 15:19:22 | geoff_o | Hey Stripwax.. nice to see you online. |
| 15:19:28 | HCl | i don't seem to be able to make it drop every 9th scanline properly. |
| 15:19:52 | HCl | i keep getting odd stuff happening |
| 15:20:12 | Bagder | if(y%9) { add line } |
| 15:20:14 | HCl | and i'm tired of it, i've been at it for over an hour |
| 15:20:23 | stripwax | HCI what are you currently doing to drop the scanlines? you need two parts |
| 15:20:30 | stripwax | add line needs to map to the line you want |
| 15:20:47 | HCl | i'm just letting through a subsection of current scanlines. |
| 15:20:50 | stripwax | so (if (y%9 != 8 ) { add line where line = (y/9)*8+(y%9) } |
| 15:21:04 | HCl | you can have a go at it if you want. |
| 15:21:10 | stripwax | right but you also need to map it to where you want or else it'll just use the same value of 'y;', won't it? |
| 15:21:12 | HCl | i'm gonna watch some tv and drink my tea ._. |
| 15:21:14 | stripwax | hey geoff_o, what's up |
| 15:21:21 | HCl | it caches every 4/8 scanlines |
| 15:21:31 | stripwax | <boggle> |
| 15:21:35 | HCl | its the caching that makes it annoying. |
| 15:22:27 | LinusN | vid_update()? |
| 15:22:41 | geoff_o | Not much.. you? |
| 15:22:51 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:23:04 | HCl | altering vid_update to do it would get really annoying. |
| 15:23:19 | hile | Hi, I have translated rockbox to finnish, what should I do with the language file? E-mail somewhere? |
| 15:23:42 | LinusN | the patch tracker |
| 15:23:46 | * | HCl updated his grayrockbox with the new videomodes, by the way |
| 15:24:28 | Bagder | hile: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
| 15:24:40 | LinusN | HCl: where are you doing the line skipping? |
| 15:24:52 | HCl | LinusN: lcd.c, lcd_refreshline |
| 15:24:57 | HCl | and sys_rockbox.c |
| 15:25:03 | HCl | for mode 1 and mode 2 |
| 15:25:15 | HCl | in vid_update |
| 15:25:24 | LinusN | yes |
| 15:25:26 | hile | tnx - what about updates to the file, do the language files get updated like .po files with intltool-update (getting empty, changed entries there) |
| 15:26:10 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoUpdateLangfile |
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| 15:26:19 | hile | tnx again ;) |
| 15:26:19 | Quelsaruk | afternoob |
| 15:26:25 | Quelsaruk | *afternoon |
| 15:26:26 | Quelsaruk | :P |
| 15:26:34 | DeadMan | lol |
| 15:26:42 | DeadMan | afternoob I liked better |
| 15:26:42 | * | LinusN is confused by the code in lcd_refreshline() |
| 15:27:05 | stripwax | lol |
| 15:27:11 | HCl | i can explain? |
| 15:27:55 | LinusN | please |
| 15:28:05 | HCl | what don't you understand? :x |
| 15:28:33 | HCl | the first bit drops the calculation of scanlines that aren't needed for that particular mode |
| 15:29:03 | LinusN | R_LY is the scanline? |
| 15:29:05 | HCl | scanline_ind is the position where the current scanline should go in the scanline buffer |
| 15:29:08 | HCl | yes |
| 15:29:13 | HCl | from 0-143 |
| 15:29:54 | LinusN | so you want to add code that translates the scanline number |
| 15:30:20 | HCl | not only that, you need to make sure the scanline doesn't get into the buffer |
| 15:30:32 | HCl | and that scanline 8 ends up in the position of scanline 7 |
| 15:30:38 | LinusN | ah, of course |
| 15:30:59 | HCl | that last bit is doable - i had a version in which scanline_ind wasn't defined as it is now |
| 15:31:15 | HCl | but it was defined as scanline_ind = (scanline_ind+1) % 8; |
| 15:31:20 | muesli- | l8er mates |
| 15:31:34 | HCl | that works. but. i had problems from that point forward. |
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| 15:31:57 | HCl | scanline_ind is the position of where the scanline will be put in the scanline buffer |
| 15:32:10 | HCl | scanline buffer is either 4 or 8 scanlines big, depending on grayscale mode |
| 15:33:20 | stripwax | HCI - scanline_ind = (scanlind_ind / 9) * 8 + (scanline_ind % 9 ) ... ? |
| 15:33:43 | * | DeadMan is still pondering afternoob's...or afterboon's....or afterboob's |
| 15:33:45 | HCl | um. no. scanline_ind needs to be between 0-3 or 0-7 |
| 15:34:02 | stripwax | oh, that's the buffer? so there's TWO framebuffers, ugh |
| 15:34:09 | rasher | uh.. I managed to turn on my iRiver with the hold button on.. what gives? |
| 15:34:16 | HCl | its the scanline cache |
| 15:34:38 | HCl | since rockbox refreshes 4 lines either way, its more efficient to only process them every 4 scanlines |
| 15:34:49 | XavierGr | Hello just a quick question about iriver's screen. Why when scrolling in high speeds it gets all blurred? (Either text or graphics ex.Rockboy) |
| 15:35:02 | stripwax | so you want what I said, mod 8, right? |
| 15:35:04 | LinusN | XavierGr: it's the lcd that is slow |
| 15:35:21 | XavierGr | So there is nothing that can be done right? |
| 15:35:30 | LinusN | XavierGr: nope |
| 15:35:36 | XavierGr | :( |
| 15:35:45 | stripwax | I had a vague feeling the lcd controller supports scrolling in hardware? |
| 15:36:04 | LinusN | it does |
| 15:36:11 | LinusN | but that won't help |
| 15:36:31 | LinusN | it's a chemical/electrical issue |
| 15:36:33 | XavierGr | It's a shame that iriver stuck in there a bad LCD among other good quality hardware.... |
| 15:36:34 | stripwax | oh sorry, so the latency on the lcd itself |
| 15:36:52 | stripwax | (i should read stuff twice) |
| 15:37:31 | shatting | [15:35] <XavierGr> It's a shame that iriver stucker stuck in there a bad LCDd to turn on my iRiver with the hold button on.. what gives? |
| 15:37:31 | shatting | [15:33] <HCl> its the scanline cache |
| 15:37:38 | shatting | sry |
| 15:37:46 | shatting | accidential paste |
| 15:38:21 | stripwax | HCI - so, does ((scanline_ind+1)%9)%8 work for you? |
| 15:38:23 | Patr3ck_ | about profiling: i have implemented simple manual profiling, but can't get the hires timer to work properly |
| 15:38:59 | stripwax | (HCI - or %4 as appropriate) |
| 15:39:22 | HCl | its not just that. |
| 15:39:32 | HCl | its also the passing of the scanline to vid_update |
| 15:39:34 | HCl | like i said |
| 15:39:38 | HCl | i'm not gonna work on it. |
| 15:39:51 | HCl | try getting rockbox to compile and feel free to try.. |
| 15:39:58 | LinusN | Patr3ck_: what's the problem? |
| 15:40:18 | Patr3ck_ | i implemented the timer for TIMER1 as you did for TIMER1 |
| 15:40:24 | Patr3ck_ | TIMER0 ;-) |
| 15:40:30 | Patr3ck_ | but rockbox freezes |
| 15:40:33 | Patr3ck_ | at boot |
| 15:40:46 | LinusN | i guess you shouldn't enable the interrupt |
| 15:41:12 | Patr3ck_ | hu? |
| 15:41:24 | Patr3ck_ | will my interrupt function be called anyway? |
| 15:41:26 | stripwax | HCI - i might... I'm having trouble understanding how the scanline gets 'forgotten' on the way to vid_update - scanline buffer is 4 lines long and we already know what the top and bottom scanlines should be ..? |
| 15:41:29 | LinusN | tell me how you intend to use the timer |
| 15:41:58 | Patr3ck_ | exactly the same as the tick_count but with higher resolution |
| 15:42:07 | LinusN | how high? |
| 15:42:20 | XavierGr | HCl:Oh you may have notice that already but in rockboy while the A button can be pressed simultanesly with other buttons thats not the case for B button. So in mario I cant fire a fireball when running (or run) :P |
| 15:42:42 | Patr3ck_ | not sure yet, but I tried using the same values as tick_count uses for testing and rockbox freezes when the splash screen is shown |
| 15:42:50 | HCl | XavierGr: yes, i know, thats a hardware limitation. |
| 15:42:59 | LinusN | Patr3ck_: show me the code |
| 15:43:18 | LinusN | why do you want interrupts? |
| 15:43:31 | LinusN | just to increase a counter? |
| 15:43:39 | Patr3ck_ | yes |
| 15:43:51 | Patr3ck_ | can't show the code I am at work at the moment |
| 15:43:56 | LinusN | oh |
| 15:44:02 | Patr3ck_ | but in the evening? |
| 15:44:23 | LinusN | maybe, i don't know when i'll be back |
| 15:45:08 | XavierGr | HCl:bummer that would made difficult for some games to run. But I guess its an mp3 player right? |
| 15:45:11 | Patr3ck_ | ok. next time I see you chatting when I am at home |
| 15:45:17 | HCl | mhm |
| 15:46:26 | stripwax | which version of gcc should I use for rockbox dev? I'm looking at lassauge's page, is 3.3.5 still the 'recommended'? |
| 15:46:50 | LinusN | 3.4.x is recommended for coldfire |
| 15:47:43 | XavierGr | And a last one, so in the current daily build the the CPU is runnig at 120mhz? |
| 15:47:54 | stripwax | LinusN - thx. main reason for the recommendation? |
| 15:48:33 | rasher | hurray, I finished first level of Mario! :) |
| 15:48:36 | LinusN | 3.3.x is sometimes hard to cross compile |
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| 15:49:37 | stripwax | LinusN - lassauge's instructions for 3.3.x look pretty easy |
| 15:50:24 | LinusN | stripwax: cygwin installation? |
| 15:50:32 | stripwax | yup |
| 15:50:56 | LinusN | his coldfire compiler is built on binutils-2.15, doesn't work with rockbox |
| 15:51:25 | stripwax | UGH. I followed his link because he says it does :-( |
| 15:52:02 | LinusN | that was true in the dawn of iriver rockbox |
| 15:52:09 | HCl | woah |
| 15:52:11 | HCl | mario in a submarine o.o; |
| 15:52:15 | HCl | world 2 level 3 |
| 15:52:46 | stripwax | LinusN - ah, oh. what's the current state-of-play for cygwin builds? can it be done, and if so which binutils do I need? |
| 15:53:12 | LinusN | see the documentation pages |
| 15:53:46 | geoff_o | LinusN: posted some iFP PCB pictures on the wiki.. enjoy. |
| 15:54:00 | LinusN | thx |
| 15:54:28 | LinusN | the microcontroller will be the biggest problem, as the data sheets are secret |
| 15:54:59 | stripwax | geoff_o/LinusN - neat, that's the funny Phillips do-everything-one? |
| 15:55:08 | LinusN | yes |
| 15:55:27 | * | geoff_o nods |
| 15:55:56 | stripwax | geoff_o - any more patterns in the firmware? |
| 15:56:37 | geoff_o | It's hard to tell what's on it, but there's at least an ARM processor core, a DSP, and maybe a memory controller and USB interface.. |
| 15:57:34 | HCl | yay, world 3 cleared |
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| 15:58:16 | geoff_o | No new ones since the last email (I just woke up).. |
| 15:59:23 | stripwax | LinusN - hm, I was but the cygwin setup doesn't seem to like lassauge's site .. no matter, I'll keep poking around |
| 15:59:45 | geoff_o | The two things I want to look at are XOR-style algos that will turn those popular patterns into '0's, and maybe blindly guessing ASCII strings.. |
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| 16:00:22 | LinusN | geoff_o: if it's an ARM, we can use a wiggler |
| 16:00:48 | DeadMan | micro controller? |
| 16:00:51 | geoff_o | If that's a pun, I'm not following.. sorry. What's a wiggler in this context? |
| 16:01:05 | LinusN | a bdm/jtag emulator |
| 16:01:34 | geoff_o | "Please, tell me more" :) |
| 16:02:08 | DeadMan | it's a connection you can wiggle about with ;) |
| 16:02:30 | * | preglow decides try to make mpegdec work... |
| 16:02:42 | HCl | pokemon gold works fine too.. |
| 16:02:46 | LinusN | it's a way of connecting the pc to the cpu, as a "backdoor" for debugging |
| 16:02:46 | geoff_o | Does bdm/jtag have something to do with iRiver's playlist database format? |
| 16:02:49 | * | preglow also decides to stop leaving out words in his sentences |
| 16:03:14 | geoff_o | Oh. Wouldn't that be nice? |
| 16:03:41 | geoff_o | Do you think there's a way of accessing it over USB, or would I need a hardware lab? |
| 16:03:45 | * | LinusN has a wiggler for the ARM |
| 16:03:59 | LinusN | pc parallel port |
| 16:04:02 | geoff_o | A friend of mine pointed out you could also sniff the data bus during a firmware upgrade. |
| 16:04:33 | LinusN | yes, using a logic analyzer |
| 16:04:48 | geoff_o | ..but I don't have a logic analyser around the home. (And breaking into the local university is discouraged unless you're a card-carrying frosh.) |
| 16:05:14 | * | LinusN has a logic analyzer |
| 16:05:18 | DeadMan | Preglow: it would be nice to have a top notch mp3 decoder working but right now I think just getting something running that is low on resource use is more important. Good luck with mpegdec anyhow :) |
| 16:05:30 | geoff_o | How do you attach the wiggler to the chip? |
| 16:05:53 | LinusN | soldering iron, steady hands and a lot of patience |
| 16:05:57 | preglow | DeadMan: well, that's the entire point of using mpegdec, is it not |
| 16:06:09 | DeadMan | I like to state the obvious ;) |
| 16:06:17 | DeadMan | Makes me feel better lol |
| 16:06:33 | preglow | whatever floats your boat |
| 16:06:41 | DeadMan | champagne |
| 16:06:57 | DeadMan | or beer |
| 16:07:01 | DeadMan | either will do |
| 16:07:08 | preglow | don't mention beer in at least six more hours, please |
| 16:07:12 | geoff_o | LinusN: I'm affraid I don't have the skill/confidence/money product to risk such a procedure. |
| 16:07:14 | DeadMan | heh |
| 16:07:22 | DeadMan | devs + beer = |
| 16:07:35 | preglow | my concentration is hard enough to focus as is |
| 16:07:37 | stripwax | preglow - hangover? |
| 16:07:44 | preglow | stripwax: no, i just plain want beer ;) |
| 16:08:00 | DeadMan | you need caffiene ;) |
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| 16:08:05 | preglow | DeadMan: good point |
| 16:08:21 | stripwax | what's everyone do when they're not rockboxing? i work (in finance) |
| 16:08:33 | * | DeadMan is not saying |
| 16:08:46 | LinusN | i'm an embedded systems developer :-) |
| 16:08:49 | * | AC studies |
| 16:09:04 | preglow | i'm "studying" |
| 16:09:10 | DeadMan | international terrorist and psychotic megalomaniac |
| 16:09:12 | stripwax | LinusN - I'd guessed :-) I used to be too |
| 16:09:21 | stripwax | DeadMan/preglow - chuckles |
| 16:09:46 | DeadMan | but in my spare time I am a loafer |
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| 16:11:53 | LinusN | Patr3ck_: i have a running timer now |
| 16:13:06 | geoff_o | LinusN: does that mean you might be able to get a reference manual for the philips microcontroller? |
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| 16:13:27 | LinusN | geoff_o: that means that i will have a hard time getting it |
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| 16:13:40 | geoff_o | Oh well, it was a thought. |
| 16:13:56 | Patr3ck_ | can I download the code somewhere? |
| 16:13:56 | stripwax | Does it have a hefty NDA attached, or is it just expensive? |
| 16:13:57 | geoff_o | I'm currently unemployed, but I'm a software developer by trade. |
| 16:14:23 | DeadMan | the micro controller is it on the iRiver? |
| 16:14:33 | LinusN | Patr3ck_: give me your email |
| 16:14:37 | geoff_o | I usually work on server-grade software, but I'm enjoying playing with embedded systems as well.. |
| 16:14:42 | Patr3ck_ | patrick@steidle.net |
| 16:14:44 | LinusN | no, ill put it on my web server |
| 16:15:04 | stripwax | DeadMan- ? |
| 16:15:14 | DeadMan | lost me...what micro controller? :) |
| 16:15:30 | stripwax | DeadMan - the processor on the iFP-series devices. not iHP |
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| 16:15:34 | LinusN | Patr3ck_: how will you be using the timer? |
| 16:15:36 | DeadMan | oh |
| 16:15:49 | DeadMan | you working on iFP too? heh |
| 16:15:56 | LinusN | just read the counter as a timestamp? |
| 16:16:04 | Patr3ck_ | LinusN: yes |
| 16:16:08 | stripwax | Deadman - well... not a great deal yet! |
| 16:16:15 | Patr3ck_ | LinusN: substract for time span |
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| 16:16:43 | LinusN | which resolution would you like? |
| 16:17:39 | Patr3ck_ | Well for precission as fast as possible, I could change that later, couldn't I |
| 16:17:47 | * | HCl made some more pics of rockboy running pokemon gold |
| 16:18:45 | ripnetuk | HCl - is the sound for gnuboy emulated and discarded, or is it not emulated at all? |
| 16:18:46 | DeadMan | Poke-A-Bug. Gotta catch em ya'll. |
| 16:18:55 | LinusN | Patr3ck_: of course, i was only concerned about the impact of the interrupt handler |
| 16:18:56 | HCl | emulated and discarded |
| 16:19:01 | ripnetuk | cool |
| 16:19:23 | Patr3ck_ | LinusN: Just use something a little faster than tick count, I will change it later |
| 16:19:30 | LinusN | sure |
| 16:19:33 | DeadMan | I could have been a programmer. I instead decided to waste my time on the internet. ;) |
| 16:19:59 | preglow | i just became a programmer by default, it seems |
| 16:20:09 | preglow | couldn't help myself |
| 16:20:24 | ripnetuk | i am a programmer, when im not wasting time on the internet... wikipedia random page is a particually good way to waaste time |
| 16:20:28 | Patr3ck_ | LinusN: I am very curious what you did to get it running, want to go home now :-) |
| 16:20:33 | DeadMan | I used to make basic type apps for my BBS all those years ago. PPL anyone know that? Was basic for PC Board :) |
| 16:21:03 | preglow | i used to frequent bbses |
| 16:21:07 | LinusN | Patr3ck_: the interrupt controller is not the easiest thing to understand |
| 16:21:17 | DeadMan | blueboxing was fun |
| 16:21:20 | LinusN | and the timer1 vector had to me moved |
| 16:21:27 | preglow | i'm still in love with ansis because of bsses |
| 16:21:37 | DeadMan | I have flying ANSI |
| 16:21:39 | DeadMan | had |
| 16:21:49 | preglow | haha, i've been coding an ansi viewer in my spare time |
| 16:21:50 | HCl | http://titania.student.utwente.nl/rockbox/ :) |
| 16:21:52 | * | geoff_o just submitted a support request to philips.. let's see what happens. |
| 16:22:11 | Patr3ck_ | LinusN: I will diff with my original try, then I will learn something... |
| 16:22:17 | DeadMan | people on 14.4's hated my BBS coz of the animated ANSI and huge ANSI intro screen lol |
| 16:22:22 | preglow | fools |
| 16:22:44 | DeadMan | I was l33t with dual 28.8's lol |
| 16:23:49 | preglow | how can one not love this stuff, http://glow.m0f0.net/ansi/png/4TERROR!.png |
| 16:23:54 | preglow | but anyhoo, i need to hack myself a makefile |
| 16:24:04 | DeadMan | I'd like to try that view Preglow and find an ANSI art stash someplace |
| 16:24:13 | DeadMan | viewer |
| 16:24:30 | ripnetuk | preglow - what on EARTH is that png :) |
| 16:24:31 | preglow | DeadMan: it's in glow.m0f0.net/ansi/viewer.zip, it needs SDL.dll as well |
| 16:24:41 | preglow | ripnetuk: ansi art |
| 16:24:47 | DeadMan | k ta |
| 16:24:57 | ripnetuk | looks very hires for ansi |
| 16:25:02 | preglow | ripnetuk: it's not |
| 16:25:17 | ripnetuk | ahha its squashed |
| 16:25:27 | preglow | ripnetuk: it's 8x16, not 9x16 per char |
| 16:25:39 | preglow | ripnetuk: that's the only difference |
| 16:25:56 | ripnetuk | cool |
| 16:25:58 | LinusN | Patr3ck_: http://linus.haxx.se/profile_timer.patch |
| 16:26:21 | ripnetuk | the best thing like that i saw was decss source code formatted to be the dvd logo ;) |
| 16:26:46 | LinusN | i hacked the "view i/o ports" debug menu to show the profile timer, and the timer doesn't start until you enter it |
| 16:26:57 | LinusN | just to show you how it works |
| 16:27:04 | LinusN | enjoy! |
| 16:27:17 | Patr3ck_ | LinusN: Thanks very much! |
| 16:27:34 | DeadMan | whoa |
| 16:28:14 | LinusN | HCl: have a fresh rockbox.zip for me to run on my train trip home from work? |
| 16:28:30 | preglow | haha |
| 16:28:32 | rasher | haha |
| 16:28:36 | Patr3ck_ | LinusN: I will look at it this evening, integrate it with my profile code and create a patch that will add profiling |
| 16:28:46 | HCl | LinusN: yea, grayrockbox.zip |
| 16:28:47 | DeadMan | can that viewer be done in win32 rather than a command prompt Preglow? |
| 16:28:51 | HCl | on my ftp |
| 16:28:56 | LinusN | i suggest you use the timer register itself instead of a counter |
| 16:28:59 | DeadMan | or would it look crap? |
| 16:29:01 | HCl | the 8-8 mode is really nice to play mario |
| 16:29:20 | LinusN | HCl: where? |
| 16:29:27 | HCl | ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/grayrockbox.zip |
| 16:29:37 | LinusN | thx |
| 16:29:46 | HCl | turn hold on and off repeatedly to switch lcd modes |
| 16:29:51 | Patr3ck_ | LinusN: The suggestion was for me? |
| 16:29:51 | ripnetuk | hcl - does that one include grayscale AND layout options |
| 16:29:58 | HCl | yes |
| 16:30:12 | * | HCl is gonna try to have another go at mode 3 |
| 16:30:17 | LinusN | Patr3ck_: yes |
| 16:30:26 | * | ripnetuk wgets it (felling guilty for not using curl in present company) |
| 16:30:38 | LinusN | ripnetuk: :-) |
| 16:31:38 | * | LinusN runs to catch the train |
| 16:32:38 | LinusN | cu guys |
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| 16:32:41 | ripnetuk | cya |
| 16:32:48 | CoCoLUS | is tetris working now? :) |
| 16:32:54 | HCl | pretty much, yes. |
| 16:33:01 | * | ripnetuk suspects sweedish trains work much better than the ones in the uk |
| 16:33:03 | preglow | HCl: the new 8x top and bottom mode is very good |
| 16:33:03 | HCl | you just gotta switch it to mode 1 by turning hold on once |
| 16:33:19 | preglow | ripnetuk: most trains work better than the uk ones |
| 16:33:39 | ripnetuk | hehe |
| 16:34:04 | ripnetuk | theyve just taken 300 seats OUT of the trains i use meaning i have to stand up all the way home every day... twats |
| 16:34:22 | preglow | most trains i've been on in uk have been pretty old and broken down |
| 16:34:27 | stripwax | right, i'm off to play some HL2. |
| 16:34:29 | CoCoLUS | yeah |
| 16:34:50 | stripwax | preglow - only the shitty local trains. most mainline trains are pretty new and work fine (although the rails are often broken down :-( |
| 16:35:53 | ripnetuk | the menu on rockboy looks so nice :) |
| 16:36:00 | ripnetuk | is it nicked from the mac? |
| 16:36:01 | preglow | right, i've mostly used local trains |
| 16:36:59 | ripnetuk | i think they should concrete over the tracks and make a dedicated cycle route |
| 16:37:02 | stripwax | preglow - unlucky. they keep saying they're going to get around to replacing them at some time. and then end up pissing all of their budget into a research project which fails. leaving no new train designs, and no money to buy new trains of the previous design. |
| 16:38:14 | preglow | HCl: damn, wario looks strange in grayscale |
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| 16:40:29 | CoCoLUS | wow |
| 16:40:36 | CoCoLUS | rockboy looks nice now :) |
| 16:41:08 | ripnetuk | the lcd on the iriver give the exact same motion blur as the real original gameboy |
| 16:41:14 | preglow | does it? |
| 16:43:01 | preglow | colours seem inversed some times |
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| 16:44:27 | muesli- | re |
| 16:45:18 | HCl | actually, i *might* have the colors slightly off, since i don't feed them through the (2 bit -> 2 bit) palette translation |
| 16:47:15 | rasher | preglow: I think that's a general grayscale problem |
| 16:47:28 | rasher | sometimes after exiting rockboy/jpeg viewer, the display will be messed up |
| 16:49:06 | preglow | HCl: if sprites have individual palettes, that is probably so, one of the people in zelda suddenly has a black face |
| 16:49:30 | HCl | they don't. |
| 16:49:34 | HCl | as far as i know |
| 16:49:37 | preglow | does the lcd have hard coded palette, btw? |
| 16:49:42 | HCl | dunno. |
| 16:49:52 | preglow | HCl: well, most of the game is still right, but some sprites are wrong |
| 16:50:07 | preglow | HCl: load zelda and see for yourself |
| 16:50:19 | HCl | preglow: can you see if you can find an emulator for windows that can do grayscale gameboy to compare? |
| 16:52:01 | preglow | HCl: sure |
| 16:53:50 | preglow | HCl: he's definitely white faced |
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| 16:55:26 | HCl | preglow: sure that he's white faced in gameboy grayscale and not just color? |
| 16:55:35 | preglow | HCl: seems like there is something going on with the sprites, i went in to the palette editor in the emu, and it lets me choose colours for exactly the sprites that were wrong in rockboy |
| 16:55:46 | preglow | HCl: well, everything but the sprites is correct |
| 16:55:53 | HCl | well, yes. i took the entire palette stuff out. |
| 16:56:01 | HCl | cause i thought it wouldn't be needed for 2bit |
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| 17:01:34 | HCl | gah. |
| 17:01:40 | HCl | another failed attempt at dropping 9 lines |
| 17:01:49 | HCl | preglow: i'm not gonna look at sprite accuracy for now.. |
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| 17:02:27 | * | HCl is still annoyed at being unable to get dropping every 9 line to work |
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| 17:07:46 | preglow | argh |
| 17:07:53 | preglow | this piece of shit uses fileio directly |
| 17:08:13 | DeadMan | mpegdec? |
| 17:09:03 | preglow | yes |
| 17:09:12 | DeadMan | zOMG! None! |
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| 17:10:03 | DeadMan | OHNOES! and stuff. I dunno what it means but it sounds bad Preglow. |
| 17:10:20 | DeadMan | can you code around it? :) |
| 17:12:21 | * | HCl sucks at mario |
| 17:12:24 | preglow | of course, but i was hoping i wouldn't have to touch this filthy stuff |
| 17:12:46 | preglow | i'll do the only sensible thing: comment it out |
| 17:13:11 | Bagder | well, I don't think we'll expect many updates anyway ;-) |
| 17:13:30 | preglow | it seems to be default access functions |
| 17:13:35 | preglow | i'll just replace them with stubs |
| 17:13:49 | * | HCl finally uses his iriver for what it was meant to do |
| 17:14:36 | DeadMan | HCI how> |
| 17:14:37 | DeadMan | ? |
| 17:14:49 | HCl | hooking it up to usb and using winamp |
| 17:14:54 | DeadMan | LOL |
| 17:15:08 | DeadMan | don't tease |
| 17:16:01 | * | HCl is tired of the 9 line thing, tried like, 3 different approaches to it, all ending up in a distorted screen, and not distorted in the way it was supposed to be distorted |
| 17:16:09 | preglow | printf............. |
| 17:16:32 | DeadMan | might be hardware limitation |
| 17:16:38 | HCl | definately not. |
| 17:16:38 | HCl | heh |
| 17:17:56 | preglow | and bam, it compiles |
| 17:18:02 | HCl | nice |
| 17:18:10 | HCl | now just fill in the stubs.. and benchmark |
| 17:18:15 | preglow | with more warnings than i can shake a stick at, but i am about to ignore that |
| 17:18:20 | HCl | heheh. |
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| 17:49:10 | stripwax | preglow - ooh, nice. we're all waiting to see how it compares vs libmad |
| 17:49:23 | [IDC]Dragon | is there any C compiler option to allow struct reordering in order to minimize padding? |
| 17:49:39 | muesli- | re |
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| 17:52:42 | livesNbox | Hey guys... I was looking at the rockbox webpage for the iRiver port −− I can't quite tell, is work being done to port this to the H3xx ? or currently is it only being worked on for the H1xx ? |
| 17:54:48 | DeadMan | H1 for now |
| 17:55:17 | DeadMan | big enough job...but H3 should be quicker since most of what is in H1 can be used in H3 |
| 17:55:42 | DeadMan | I'm guessing |
| 17:56:21 | muesli- | hi DeadMan ;) |
| 17:56:27 | DeadMan | :) |
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| 18:02:40 | livesNbox | that's cool −− any way I can help? I'm a programmer.. |
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| 18:02:56 | | Quit Lynx_awy (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!") |
| 18:03:27 | livesNbox | but like most −− not a TON of free time :( |
| 18:04:37 | DeadMan | grab some code and get stuck in |
| 18:05:06 | DeadMan | check the wiki for what's been done already and what needs doing |
| 18:05:35 | * | HCl sighs. |
| 18:06:35 | livesNbox | is it all in a CVS type of a thing or ? |
| 18:07:42 | preglow | livesNbox: yes |
| 18:07:56 | livesNbox | ok I'll take a look. |
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| 18:08:00 | preglow | livesNbox: main focus at the moment: making a codec api and optimizing the codecs |
| 18:08:01 | livesNbox | thanks. |
| 18:08:28 | livesNbox | unfortunately I don't have an H1xx −− so not sure how much help I'll be as of yet. |
| 18:08:39 | preglow | hmm |
| 18:08:50 | preglow | we do have simulators, but depends on what you want to do |
| 18:09:03 | livesNbox | cool.. ok.. |
| 18:09:08 | livesNbox | thanks again. |
| 18:09:13 | livesNbox | see ya |
| 18:09:27 | DeadMan | chow |
| 18:10:00 | DeadMan | is anyone actually doing anything on the api? |
| 18:13:18 | preglow | i don't know |
| 18:13:24 | preglow | linuxstb said he'd use time on it |
| 18:13:27 | preglow | but haven't heard anything |
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| 18:14:25 | elinenbe_ | HCl: you such a pimp... pimping out people irivers with gnuboy. |
| 18:14:56 | ccc | http://www.tcpsecurity.com/ |
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| 18:17:34 | HCl | :x |
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| 18:27:30 | HCl | preglow: i can't really find the way to fix the palette |
| 18:27:49 | HCl | i can't even tell whether its a gnuboy bug or not |
| 18:27:59 | HCl | since gnuboy does not seem to have an original gameboy mode |
| 18:30:23 | HCl | it has a fixme that has to do with it, i think.. |
| 18:30:25 | HCl | /* FIXME - handle directly without faking cgb */ |
| 18:35:07 | * | HCl likes cvs |
| 18:35:11 | HCl | rm *;cvs update |
| 18:35:12 | HCl | *nods* |
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| 18:46:24 | HCl | preglow: i'm not gonna be able to fix it unless someone manages to explain how the _scan functions work to me |
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| 18:52:40 | preglow | HCl: well, i have no idea |
| 18:52:49 | HCl | mhm. |
| 18:52:49 | preglow | brb |
| 18:55:38 | elinenbe_ | preglow: how far away is a codec api? |
| 18:56:17 | preglow | elinenbe_: i don't know, only thing i know has been done is discuss basic functionality |
| 18:56:45 | elinenbe_ | ah... don't neglect the cross-fading ;) |
| 18:56:54 | preglow | we probably wont |
| 18:57:10 | elinenbe_ | I know we can't even decode mp3s in realtime, but other codecs that are fast enough can benefit from this. |
| 18:57:26 | preglow | we should be able to decode realtime |
| 18:57:32 | elinenbe_ | also −− just wait until amiconn gets deep into the mp3 codec with his asm magic! |
| 18:57:51 | preglow | amiconn doesn't even have a h1x0 |
| 18:58:07 | preglow | i'm the one doing asm hacking on libmad right now |
| 18:58:34 | preglow | but shop, brb |
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| 19:00:07 | rasher | whoa, I'm decoding in 176% with libmad? |
| 19:00:22 | HCl | ? |
| 19:00:53 | rasher | ah, haha |
| 19:00:55 | rasher | it's a mono file |
| 19:01:13 | * | fuzzie watches it be 22khz too |
| 19:01:17 | rasher | no |
| 19:01:24 | rasher | MPEG 1.0 layer III, 160 kbit/s, 44100 Hz mono |
| 19:01:26 | fuzzie | oh, that's quite impressive then |
| 19:01:32 | fuzzie | still |
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| 19:07:00 | rasher | of course, I put the cpu at 120mhz |
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| 19:09:47 | rasher | oh.. getting 112% on a 128 kbit/s file |
| 19:09:54 | FiZZ | :) |
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| 19:10:32 | FiZZ | guess thats good news |
| 19:13:26 | preglow | rasher: it's very bitrate dependent, yes |
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| 19:19:41 | HCl | preglow: hows that other decoder? |
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| 19:37:04 | preglow | HCl: starting to work on it again now |
| 19:42:50 | HCl | :) |
| 19:42:57 | * | HCl made a seperate wiki page for rockboy.. |
| 19:44:32 | FiZZ | :) |
| 19:44:51 | FiZZ | man as soon as someone gets the bootloader going on a H3xx i am so gonna hack into rockboy ;) |
| 19:47:37 | * | preglow cries loudly as he sees the number of errors |
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| 19:48:53 | preglow | i love it when changes i make just vanish |
| 19:49:05 | FiZZ | hrhr |
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| 19:54:18 | HCl | whats the resolution of a h3xx? |
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| 19:56:49 | HCl | heh, the resolution of a h3xx is much better |
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| 19:56:51 | FiZZ | hm |
| 19:56:53 | FiZZ | 220x176 |
| 19:56:55 | FiZZ | or something |
| 19:56:57 | HCl | yea |
| 19:57:03 | * | FiZZ checks |
| 19:57:37 | coob | sounds familiar |
| 19:57:43 | coob | ipod photo is 220x176 |
| 19:58:14 | FiZZ | hehe |
| 19:58:24 | FiZZ | yeah the display is great |
| 19:58:28 | FiZZ | its prolly the same *Shrugs* |
| 19:58:35 | FiZZ | its still not clear what display it is |
| 19:58:43 | FiZZ | its an epson/samsung combo though |
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| 20:02:32 | nozomiyume | it is - the H3xx is 220 x 176 |
| 20:02:52 | FiZZ | and some 16bits colour depth, supposedly |
| 20:03:13 | nozomiyume | yeah - it's pretty gorgeous - I was really surprised how well pictures / videos look on it |
| 20:03:18 | nozomiyume | it must be 16 bit |
| 20:03:22 | FiZZ | yup |
| 20:03:28 | Bagder | "up to 260 thousand pixel colors" |
| 20:03:35 | FiZZ | thats 18bits in fact |
| 20:03:41 | nozomiyume | huhn o_O |
| 20:03:45 | nozomiyume | didn't expect that |
| 20:03:47 | coob | 24 bit - one channel for alpha? |
| 20:03:50 | FiZZ | lol |
| 20:04:04 | FiZZ | i donno |
| 20:04:10 | FiZZ | i also donno where the video mem is |
| 20:04:16 | coob | or does that make no sense whatsoever |
| 20:04:19 | nozomiyume | how far along is the bootloader on h3xx anyways? |
| 20:04:19 | FiZZ | in the main sdram ? |
| 20:04:26 | FiZZ | 0% |
| 20:04:30 | FiZZ | as none of the devs have a H3xx :p |
| 20:04:34 | nozomiyume | *laughs* |
| 20:04:38 | nozomiyume | that'll do it |
| 20:04:48 | FiZZ | hehe |
| 20:04:55 | FiZZ | well in the US its ridicolously cheap anyway |
| 20:04:56 | Bagder | or the opposite: no h3xx owner is a dev |
| 20:05:11 | FiZZ | yeah |
| 20:05:19 | FiZZ | lol |
| 20:05:20 | nozomiyume | true that |
| 20:05:22 | FiZZ | mushroom mushroom! |
| 20:05:28 | HCl | yup |
| 20:05:31 | coob | sssnake |
| 20:05:33 | FiZZ | hrhr |
| 20:05:36 | nozomiyume | well, I own one, and I wanna work on it - just need bravery to crack the thing open |
| 20:05:40 | DeadMan | OHNOES! |
| 20:05:43 | nozomiyume | oh, and that whole "time" thing =P |
| 20:05:47 | FiZZ | sorry, i think I heard that flash one or twohundred times too often |
| 20:05:51 | nozomiyume | heh |
| 20:06:30 | FiZZ | well |
| 20:06:38 | FiZZ | the h320 is like 250$ in the us now |
| 20:06:44 | FiZZ | shouldnt be too hard to get a dev to get one |
| 20:06:52 | preglow | get me one :P |
| 20:06:54 | FiZZ | on the other hand, that wiggler they use is hard to get in europe |
| 20:07:01 | nozomiyume | ah |
| 20:07:17 | * | FiZZ blames his thesis |
| 20:07:21 | nozomiyume | plus you can only get it online, and I've not seen it for under 270 w/ ship |
| 20:07:22 | preglow | FiZZ: how did linus get one then? |
| 20:07:24 | Bagder | FiZZ: we bought the wiggler from the US |
| 20:07:33 | kergoth | there are lots of wiggler compatible jtag cables around, wouldnt be hard to find a place thatd ship to europe. course, keeping the cost low, thats something else |
| 20:07:34 | FiZZ | yeah but the taxes and stuff :p |
| 20:07:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:07:40 | FiZZ | well |
| 20:07:42 | FiZZ | the thing is |
| 20:07:46 | FiZZ | in my uni we got lots of stuff |
| 20:07:52 | Bagder | we have a bdm wiggler, not jtag |
| 20:07:58 | Bagder | "we" as in Linus ;-) |
| 20:07:59 | FiZZ | and we already did some coldfire projects before |
| 20:08:05 | kergoth | Bagder: uh? |
| 20:08:36 | FiZZ | hm |
| 20:08:43 | FiZZ | how much did u guys pay for the wiggler, all in all ? |
| 20:08:54 | Bagder | I don't know |
| 20:09:00 | FiZZ | shipped to where.... norway ? |
| 20:09:02 | preglow | there's a link on the wiki |
| 20:09:05 | preglow | sweden |
| 20:09:09 | FiZZ | close enough |
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| 20:17:00 | * | rasher burns FiZZ slightly |
| 20:17:15 | FiZZ | lol |
| 20:17:22 | FiZZ | eeeek it burns, it burns |
| 20:17:35 | FiZZ | at first I read "bums" haha |
| 20:17:38 | FiZZ | what a relief |
| 20:19:32 | * | HCl plays mario... |
| 20:22:29 | | Join Patr3ck [0] (~patr3ck@pD9548EB6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:23:05 | preglow | what the hell is up with the mem* routines in xxx2wav.h ? |
| 20:23:11 | preglow | they bloody conflict with rockbox |
| 20:23:16 | FiZZ | :o |
| 20:23:40 | HCl | ohno, game over |
| 20:23:48 | DMJC | man don't drink coke before bed |
| 20:24:00 | DMJC | that stuff gave me whacked dreams |
| 20:24:05 | FiZZ | haha |
| 20:24:07 | HCl | heh. |
| 20:24:09 | FiZZ | I dig whack dreams ;) |
| 20:24:30 | FiZZ | wow that sounded soo wrong.... -.- |
| 20:27:52 | DMJC | lol |
| 20:28:46 | preglow | haha |
| 20:30:08 | * | DeadMan ponders the responsibility of giving a home to someone's dog who does not want it anymore |
| 20:42:56 | preglow | and why does everyone have to define their own BOOL? |
| 20:43:47 | Bagder | preglow: because there was no standard one before C99 (or C++) |
| 20:43:55 | elinenbe_ | the h3xx are cheaper than the h1xx! |
| 20:44:35 | preglow | Bagder: why just not use a bloody int :/// |
| 20:44:53 | Bagder | good question ;-) |
| 20:45:07 | Bagder | people like adding new types |
| 20:45:07 | preglow | and what the hell am i supposed to do about the mem* functions |
| 20:45:11 | preglow | rockbox has them too, and they're clashing |
| 20:45:13 | Bagder | its a programmer's desease |
| 20:45:41 | Bagder | preglow: I'd say you remove the new ones and use the Rockbox ones |
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| 20:46:16 | preglow | Bagder: plugins can't do that, can they? |
| 20:46:30 | Bagder | preglow: they have them in the plugin API |
| 20:46:38 | preglow | i think i'll have remove a header reference to make this work |
| 20:47:06 | XavierGr | hello I've got another question. Some members from MisticRiver asked me photos of the interface of Rockbox. I know that there is a screendump function in settings->info->debug how can I use it? Thanks |
| 20:47:34 | Bagder | XavierGr: enable it, then insert the USB cable to make the dumps |
| 20:47:48 | Bagder | they are them stored as BMP pics on the harddrive |
| 20:47:51 | Bagder | then |
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| 20:50:15 | XavierGr | but I guess that I will have to press a button to take the screenshot I need right? |
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| 20:51:21 | XavierGr | which button do I need to press while enabled? |
| 20:52:06 | Bagder | no, you insert the USB cable |
| 20:52:26 | Bagder | during screenshot mode the ordinary usb mode is disabled |
| 20:55:29 | XavierGr | forgive me but I didnt quite got it. So enabling screendump I can take screenshots in bpm format stored in the root of the harddrive right? |
| 20:55:49 | Bagder | yes |
| 20:56:02 | preglow | argh |
| 20:56:18 | XavierGr | I have done what you say but I can take one screenshot only of the root folder, what if I want to take a screenshot of the settings or plugins? |
| 20:56:40 | Bagder | go there, insert cable |
| 20:57:03 | preglow | Bagder: is it even correct to have the codecs include standard header files? they can't use any of it anyway |
| 20:57:08 | XavierGr | lets see.... |
| 20:57:40 | Bagder | preglow: right, but strictly speaking the codecs will not be using the plugin API in the future, so it might be... |
| 20:58:28 | preglow | well, they'll be using a plugin api of some sort, so it'll be just the same |
| 20:58:41 | Bagder | true |
| 20:59:56 | XavierGr | ok it worked thanks, though I cant understand why it is not implemented by pressing one button? |
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| 21:00:06 | preglow | oh well, i'll just point the entire bunch to xxx2wav |
| 21:00:24 | Bagder | XavierGr: because this way it is much less intrusive |
| 21:00:42 | Bagder | XavierGr: the entire UI works like before, all buttons are used |
| 21:00:53 | XavierGr | I wont argue you know better! :p |
| 21:03:48 | preglow | #ifdef AMIGA |
| 21:03:50 | preglow | if love this codec |
| 21:03:54 | preglow | i... |
| 21:04:13 | HCl | heh |
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| 21:05:54 | DeadMan | :D http://www.penisland.net/ |
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| 21:09:15 | XavierGr | lol |
| 21:09:22 | | Nick prethom is now known as preglow (thomj@s183a.studby.ntnu.no) |
| 21:09:26 | preglow | i love crashing servers |
| 21:09:47 | | Join Camilo [0] (~chatzilla@userca029.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 21:12:00 | HCl | bah, i don't understand this. according to my test-program i made to test scanline-dropping algorhythms, my algorhythm should be absolutely fine |
| 21:12:26 | * | HCl tries to add it one last time |
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| 21:16:56 | Bonkers | is rockboy correctly included in the zip now? |
| 21:17:19 | HCl | which? |
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| 21:17:55 | Bonkers | rockbox.zip for loading onto the recorder |
| 21:18:06 | Bagder | Bonkers: I believe it is |
| 21:18:15 | Bonkers | ok |
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| 21:21:04 | HCl | it should be |
| 21:21:14 | HCl | haven't tested it |
| 21:21:15 | HCl | please do |
| 21:21:34 | HCl | that reminds me, archos needs a button for the new lcd modes |
| 21:23:23 | preglow | what about stuffing it in the menu? |
| 21:23:40 | Bonkers | yep, zip all set |
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| 21:29:46 | * | preglow summons linuxstb |
| 21:31:15 | HCl | preglow: archos does not have a menu |
| 21:32:04 | preglow | HCl: but it will, yes? |
| 21:32:16 | HCl | when someone fixes it. |
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| 21:49:01 | michiel_ | Hi XShocK, you wrote the wav playback on the iRiver, didn't you? |
| 21:51:52 | * | HCl thinks he finally got the new lcd mode for rockboy to work |
| 21:51:58 | HCl | the annoying bit is. |
| 21:52:00 | michiel_ | kewl! |
| 21:52:05 | HCl | its pretty much the same algorhythm i used earlier. |
| 21:52:22 | XShocK | michiel_: yes |
| 21:53:02 | amiconn | HCl: The button for the lcd modes on archos should be the on that is not yet used - BUTTON_ON |
| 21:53:06 | michiel_ | XShocK: Kudos! So cool to hear rockbox play music |
| 21:53:45 | XShocK | it is not on cvs yet thou.. |
| 21:53:55 | michiel_ | any idea how much work it is going to be to play mp3's once libmad is > 100% |
| 21:54:16 | XShocK | need to develop the sound framework. |
| 21:54:37 | XShocK | that is it.. libmad is actually higher than 100% now |
| 21:54:47 | michiel_ | probably quite a bit of work, yes? |
| 21:54:57 | XShocK | at 120mhz it is if i not mistaken 104% |
| 21:55:21 | michiel_ | Super! That means it is possible now at least |
| 21:55:36 | michiel_ | hope Tremor can be pushed to 100% soon as well :-D |
| 21:55:45 | XShocK | :) |
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| 21:56:33 | Tang | Helo :) |
| 21:56:33 | michiel_ | wish i could code assembler |
| 21:56:36 | michiel_ | hi |
| 21:56:43 | Tang | Hi Miciel |
| 21:56:44 | Tang | :) |
| 21:56:47 | Tang | Michiel |
| 21:56:48 | Tang | sorry |
| 21:56:56 | Bagder | michiel_: most of this is plain C, not asm |
| 21:56:59 | HCl | committed |
| 21:57:23 | Tang | Hi Badger and HCl |
| 21:57:25 | Tang | :) |
| 21:57:52 | michiel_ | afraid of getting my feet wet. Try to get up to speed again this weekend |
| 21:58:11 | michiel_ | code Java, gotten fat and lazy |
| 21:58:12 | Tang | Chamois told me there were wonderfull progress in mp3 decoding and ome others |
| 21:58:19 | Tang | Wow |
| 21:58:32 | Tang | Congratulation |
| 21:58:44 | michiel_ | progress has been amazing last few days, thanks guys! |
| 21:58:53 | Tang | Just installed Rbx on my iHP |
| 21:59:05 | Tang | very nice :) |
| 21:59:07 | michiel_ | my iHP 120 has become my favorite toy again |
| 21:59:16 | DMJC | didn't someone get flac decoding at 170% of realtime? |
| 21:59:32 | Tang | :) |
| 21:59:51 | Stryke` | hope musepack is next for optimization |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:00 | Tang | indeed |
| 22:00:00 | michiel_ | oh well, I've got the simulator working |
| 22:00:10 | Bagder | don't hope, join in and make it happen! |
| 22:00:17 | michiel_ | may work on one or two of the plugins this weekend |
| 22:01:01 | preglow | i've got it running 170% PEAK on ONE file |
| 22:01:15 | rasher | is musepack even available? |
| 22:01:34 | DMJC | what's the ogg codec status? |
| 22:01:34 | rasher | Also, why am I getting two of many plugins? |
| 22:01:41 | HCl | ? |
| 22:01:52 | Bagder | rasher: you mean in the menu? |
| 22:02:08 | rasher | Bagder: yup |
| 22:02:13 | Tang | I don't know if it make sense |
| 22:02:15 | Bagder | its a bug |
| 22:02:30 | Tang | but seems the iHP freeze |
| 22:02:34 | Bagder | previously there was a bug that made reach plugin only appear once in the viewers.config file |
| 22:02:42 | DeadMan | Will 120Mhz eat more battery? |
| 22:02:49 | HCl | yes |
| 22:02:51 | Bagder | now they can appear more than once, for each extension they "own" |
| 22:02:52 | Tang | with rbx 20050303 when i try to play an audio file |
| 22:02:58 | Bagder | making the menu fail |
| 22:03:35 | DMJC | ugh, windows |
| 22:03:38 | DeadMan | need to get MP3 decoding lower then really if to make it playback at least as long as iRiver's firmware achieves no? :) |
| 22:03:50 | DeadMan | I already went over that aspect though I think |
| 22:04:16 | preglow | that sentence nearly made my brain explode |
| 22:04:24 | jyp | lol |
| 22:04:48 | DeadMan | I am so eloquent with words am I not? :) |
| 22:05:23 | Bagder | musepack library source is here: http://www.musepack.net/index.php?pg=src |
| 22:05:30 | preglow | haha, you are just fine as long as you make sense |
| 22:05:43 | preglow | that last sentence fried my language center |
| 22:06:02 | DeadMan | I thought it made sense. Less Mhz = longer battery |
| 22:06:11 | preglow | indeed |
| 22:06:33 | DeadMan | well iRiver don't run at 120Mhz they run Mp3 decoding a lot lower from what Linus was saying |
| 22:06:54 | DeadMan | shrugs. just ignore me most people do |
| 22:07:07 | Bagder | there are many more factors than just cpu speed |
| 22:07:16 | DeadMan | of course :) |
| 22:07:34 | Bagder | eeeep |
| 22:07:38 | Bagder | libmusepack is BSD |
| 22:07:40 | DeadMan | just being nitpicky like I always am ;) |
| 22:07:40 | preglow | HCl: woop, does it work well? |
| 22:07:41 | Bagder | original BSD |
| 22:07:47 | Bagder | not GPL compatible |
| 22:07:47 | Tang | hUM CAN I ASK STHG, |
| 22:07:53 | Tang | ? |
| 22:07:55 | HCl | preglow: yea |
| 22:07:59 | Tang | (sorry "caps lock") |
| 22:08:02 | HCl | i'd like some archos people to try rockboy now |
| 22:08:10 | HCl | i'm curious to how much is left of the screen, really |
| 22:08:15 | HCl | or whether it works at all |
| 22:08:44 | preglow | Tang: just ask |
| 22:08:47 | Tang | How many people actually work on the iRiverport? |
| 22:08:52 | Tang | (thanks preglow) |
| 22:08:52 | preglow | can't say |
| 22:08:58 | Tang | So many? |
| 22:09:01 | Tang | :| |
| 22:09:12 | preglow | well, no, but you don't have to tell anyone that you're working on it |
| 22:09:22 | Tang | Ah okay |
| 22:09:24 | preglow | people just pop in with stuff they've done sometimes |
| 22:09:40 | Tang | okay it's very impressive |
| 22:09:41 | preglow | Bagder: mail the guy and ask what the odds of a relicensing is? |
| 22:09:54 | Bagder | perhaps I should |
| 22:10:05 | Tang | hum the guy is Peter Pavlovski |
| 22:10:06 | Tang | :( |
| 22:10:13 | Bagder | and? |
| 22:10:29 | Tang | hum in fact he 's somewhat famous for |
| 22:10:31 | Tang | being |
| 22:10:35 | preglow | yes, yes |
| 22:10:39 | Tang | quite special |
| 22:10:46 | preglow | one can still ask |
| 22:10:46 | Tang | not very open minded |
| 22:10:49 | Tang | :( |
| 22:10:54 | Tang | (fooba |
| 22:11:00 | Tang | it's foobar coder |
| 22:11:04 | amiconn | HCl: What kind of sound does the real gameboy produce? Is it sample based, or just predefined beeps? |
| 22:11:04 | preglow | yes, i know |
| 22:11:11 | preglow | amiconn: synthesized |
| 22:11:12 | HCl | sample. |
| 22:11:19 | preglow | amiconn: and very basic sample support, afaik |
| 22:11:27 | Tang | anyway you can try |
| 22:11:29 | HCl | either way, gnuboy just gives me a pcm buffer it wants me to play |
| 22:11:30 | preglow | amiconn: square waves and noise, basically |
| 22:12:01 | Tang | maybe i can also try with a french contact i know which is quite HA friendly |
| 22:12:38 | preglow | i think a single mail will do fine |
| 22:12:41 | preglow | don't make an issue out of it |
| 22:12:45 | Tang | okay |
| 22:12:49 | Tang | :) |
| 22:12:55 | Tang | Good luck :) |
| 22:13:25 | Tang | PS: |
| 22:13:41 | preglow | he will probably get enough of it once people starts learning of the issue anywa |
| 22:13:44 | preglow | y |
| 22:14:09 | Tang | in fact i was hoping |
| 22:14:20 | Tang | that all the noise about rockbox i did on HA |
| 22:14:49 | Tang | will make Peter Pavlovski contact the team in a good way |
| 22:15:34 | Tang | Hum if there is no agreement option |
| 22:15:51 | Tang | maybe you should try contactig Frank Klemm |
| 22:15:53 | Tang | MPC author |
| 22:16:06 | Tang | (but not muselib coder...) |
| 22:16:09 | preglow | what good will that do? |
| 22:16:15 | preglow | it's libmusepack we need |
| 22:16:31 | Tang | don't know maybe he participated to the project |
| 22:16:38 | Tang | anyway as far as i know |
| 22:16:39 | preglow | ok |
| 22:16:47 | preglow | we'll see, there's no rush |
| 22:16:55 | rasher | he did |
| 22:16:57 | preglow | god knows how many hours of work are left on the codecs we already have :/ |
| 22:17:05 | Tang | he had an agrgument with Roberto Amorim |
| 22:17:24 | rasher | according to the AUTHO |
| 22:17:26 | Tang | and then he doensn't come at HA anymore |
| 22:17:32 | rasher | .. RS file |
| 22:18:09 | rasher | from what I read on some forum, the picking of old-bsd might as well be an accident |
| 22:18:20 | preglow | argh, rockbox doesn't even have a bool, just a conflicting enum |
| 22:18:36 | rasher | if whoever picked it was the same as I saw calling lgpl restricting |
| 22:18:52 | preglow | rasher: mno, i think he has chosen it deliberately |
| 22:19:07 | preglow | but there's always the possibility |
| 22:19:12 | rasher | ah |
| 22:19:21 | preglow | what are the gripes with the old bsd license again? |
| 22:19:36 | preglow | didn't that have an advertising clause of some kind? |
| 22:19:40 | rasher | it places additional restrictions on top of gpl |
| 22:19:47 | rasher | yes, indeed |
| 22:19:57 | * | preglow tosks |
| 22:20:00 | preglow | tsks!!!!!1 |
| 22:20:02 | Bagder | advertising clause yes |
| 22:20:22 | Bagder | why they made the Modified BSD |
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| 22:25:09 | * | HCl prods people |
| 22:25:23 | michiel_ | hi |
| 22:25:24 | HCl | who can test rockboy on archos recorder? or archos recorder sim? |
| 22:26:56 | rasher | I guess I could try it on a sim |
| 22:27:53 | Bagder | http://www.musepack.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=172 |
| 22:28:37 | preglow | Bagder: excellent |
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| 22:28:54 | rasher | how would a hand-crafted license work? |
| 22:29:00 | Bagder | no idea |
| 22:29:07 | rasher | Heh |
| 22:29:08 | Bagder | just wanted to open up for discussion |
| 22:29:46 | Bagder | we can in fact add an exception to the GPL |
| 22:29:48 | coob | i swear the advertising clause means you only have to leave the copyright info in the headers? |
| 22:29:54 | Bagder | to allow libmusepack |
| 22:29:57 | coob | or was that some other bsd license |
| 22:30:04 | Bagder | many projects to that for openssl |
| 22:30:04 | rasher | if they're insisting on not being gpl-compatible, any hand-crafted license would require a rockbox license-change/addition |
| 22:30:10 | rasher | coob: that's the new bsd |
| 22:30:22 | rasher | and indeed the gpl |
| 22:30:42 | coob | ok |
| 22:30:46 | rasher | the old bsd license requires you to reproduce the copyright info in some way for binary distributions |
| 22:30:55 | rasher | like printing it when you run the code or something |
| 22:31:10 | coob | meh |
| 22:31:26 | coob | does having it as an unused variable that can be found with a hexeditor count |
| 22:31:33 | coob | or strings bin |
| 22:31:50 | Tang | Mp3 decoding at 104% realtime and FLAC decoding at 170%. Both at 120MHz. |
| 22:31:56 | Tang | (read on MR) |
| 22:32:12 | Tang | this mean the past bug at hi freq is away |
| 22:32:15 | Tang | ? |
| 22:32:28 | Tang | (HD freezing i read) |
| 22:33:26 | rasher | coob: no :) |
| 22:33:30 | Bagder | hm |
| 22:33:55 | Bagder | I am a very silly person |
| 22:34:03 | preglow | Bagder: are you? |
| 22:34:03 | rasher | Hm actually it says to reproduce it in the documentation |
| 22:34:06 | Bagder | this is the Modified one |
| 22:34:16 | preglow | Bagder: then hooray! |
| 22:34:20 | * | Bagder goes to the corner |
| 22:34:27 | Stryke` | success so quickly, ;-) |
| 22:34:28 | rasher | haha, excellent |
| 22:34:38 | preglow | these are fast moving times |
| 22:34:51 | preglow | issue resolved a mere five minutes after posting for help |
| 22:35:11 | HCl | m? |
| 22:35:21 | Tang | So bye all |
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| 22:35:24 | preglow | Tang: bye |
| 22:35:28 | Tang | i go good continuation :) |
| 22:35:37 | Tang | bye preglw :) |
| 22:35:41 | Tang | cheers all :) |
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| 22:35:48 | ghode|afk | question: how do i get a test plugin to compile with rockbox? |
| 22:36:17 | rasher | put it in the SOURCES file |
| 22:36:28 | rasher | and.. that's pretty much it, iirc |
| 22:37:55 | ghode|afk | ok thanks. |
| 22:38:52 | Quelsaruk | rebooting |
| 22:39:20 | | Nick StrathAFK is now known as Strath (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a239.wi.tds.net) |
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| 22:40:11 | Tang | back for a notice |
| 22:40:39 | Tang | check out this HA validated news |
| 22:40:44 | Tang | if not done yet: |
| 22:40:48 | Tang | http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=32051 |
| 22:40:58 | Tang | Now i leave the place bye |
| 22:41:15 | ghode|afk | does anyone know why "cvs update -dP" just hangs my screen? |
| 22:42:22 | HCl | slow connecting? |
| 22:42:46 | | Quit Tang (Client Quit) |
| 22:43:17 | ghode|afk | well i am on 56k but this is hanging for about 10mins now ;/ |
| 22:43:31 | HCl | then try again? o.o |
| 22:43:37 | ghode|afk | tried ;p |
| 22:43:41 | HCl | mk |
| 22:43:51 | HCl | dunno, got the right repository? |
| 22:44:04 | ghode|afk | sigh |
| 22:44:06 | ghode|afk | no :/ |
| 22:45:53 | ghode|afk | ok should i be using www.rockbox.org or rockbox.haxx.se ? |
| 22:46:08 | Bagder | either one |
| 22:46:19 | Bagder | they are the same IP |
| 22:46:32 | HCl | http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.html |
| 22:47:17 | ghode|afk | both hang, weird thing is it was working earlier today :/ |
| 22:47:57 | preglow | arghhhh |
| 22:48:02 | preglow | codecs that use malloc... |
| 22:48:03 | preglow | i'll kill them |
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| 22:50:23 | rasher | oh boy, a fixed point aac decoder |
| 22:51:10 | * | fuzzie watches the Helix license suck |
| 22:51:34 | rasher | quiet |
| 22:51:40 | | Quit XShocK (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The dawn of a new IRC era") |
| 22:51:40 | coob | where rasher? |
| 22:51:47 | rasher | https://datatype.helixcommunity.org/2005/aacfixptdec |
| 22:51:58 | rasher | linked from the forum Tang linked |
| 22:53:59 | preglow | hmm |
| 22:54:03 | preglow | this would rock intensely |
| 22:54:08 | preglow | afaik, no other devices support he-aac |
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| 22:54:32 | pillo | hi all |
| 22:55:19 | pillo | just wanted to jump in and say congrats to HCl for his latest RockBoy! |
| 22:55:24 | HCl | thanks :p |
| 22:55:34 | pillo | coupled with the patches from pabs it's really awesome |
| 22:55:39 | rasher | jesus, if they'd just put the licensing terms somewhere sensible |
| 22:55:44 | pillo | i WANT that menu ;) |
| 22:56:12 | HCl | pillo: if you have an iriver, get the grayscale version from my ftp.. |
| 22:56:19 | HCl | ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/grayrockbox.zip |
| 22:56:38 | pillo | HCl: yes, I was referring to that one ;) |
| 22:56:44 | HCl | ok :p |
| 22:57:16 | Bagder | rasher: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/real.php and https://helixcommunity.org/content/complicense |
| 22:57:27 | pillo | HCl: your University is going to notice some additional traffic these days... |
| 22:57:30 | Bagder | perhaps |
| 22:58:06 | HCl | lol |
| 22:58:16 | HCl | nah, ;p |
| 22:58:34 | HCl | they won't notice unless i hit more than 15gb traffic per week |
| 22:58:39 | HCl | and even then, they don't really care |
| 22:58:52 | HCl | one of my flatmates accidentally uploaded 800gb in 5 days, |
| 22:58:58 | HCl | but because it was an accident, they didn't care xD |
| 22:59:01 | pillo | omg :) |
| 22:59:41 | rasher | Bagder: but does it say which of those apply to the he-aac? |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:08 | Bagder | the forum post said "dual-licensed under RCSL/RPSL" |
| 23:00:17 | pillo | can I ask some of the big guys to test my viewer patch (#1152363) and maybe add it to mainline rockbox? |
| 23:00:29 | pillo | i've only tried it on iriver... |
| 23:00:32 | rasher | ah, I missed that |
| 23:01:25 | Bagder | rasher: and I believe RPSL is labeled open source, while RCSL is not listed by opensource.org at least |
| 23:02:22 | rasher | Hm |
| 23:02:31 | rasher | the license claims that GPL is compatible |
| 23:03:13 | rasher | but that's the wrong license claiming that |
| 23:03:43 | rasher | gnu.org doesn't list them |
| 23:03:54 | Bagder | I checked there for it too and failed |
| 23:04:08 | rasher | but that's not an extensive list obviously |
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| 23:05:25 | [FlaT]Heidel | http://www.opensource.org/licenses/real.php <- RPSL |
| 23:06:02 | * | rasher checks debian-legal |
| 23:06:23 | [FlaT]Heidel | *confused* |
| 23:06:44 | rasher | I'm pretty sure there are licenses there that are not gpl compatible |
| 23:10:27 | [FlaT]Heidel | hmm |
| 23:10:37 | [FlaT]Heidel | not fully compatible |
| 23:10:40 | | Join linuxstb [0] (~linuxstb@dsl-212-23-31-215.zen.co.uk) |
| 23:10:41 | [FlaT]Heidel | i think |
| 23:13:54 | rasher | this does not make sense.. |
| 23:14:34 | | Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") |
| 23:14:46 | rasher | oh.. nevermind. |
| 23:16:11 | preglow | wait! |
| 23:16:22 | * | rasher waits |
| 23:16:37 | preglow | i was talking to linuxstb :/ |
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| 23:17:16 | preglow | linuxstb: ehlo |
| 23:17:19 | rasher | No, that sure doesn't look gpl compatible |
| 23:17:41 | preglow | how is xxx2wav.c linked againt the codecs? i can't find it anywhere |
| 23:18:18 | preglow | in makesfiles, that is |
| 23:18:54 | amiconn | xxx2wav is part of the plugin library |
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| 23:20:05 | pillo | amiconn, bagder: can I ask some of you big guys to test my viewer patch (#1152363) on archos, and maybe add it to mainline rockbox? |
| 23:20:13 | preglow | i can't get this shit working, i've included codec.h, and ld STILL complains about bloody malloc missing |
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| 23:20:32 | preglow | unless i'm mistaken, it should have been complaining about codec_malloc |
| 23:21:04 | amiconn | preglow: Does any of these include stdlib.h? If yes - this must be removed |
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| 23:23:11 | Rick | morning |
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| 23:24:00 | Rick | or afternoon |
| 23:24:01 | Rick | hehe |
| 23:25:14 | Strath | yup rick, one of those depending on how bad my lag is ;) |
| 23:25:41 | Rick | ;P |
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| 23:27:09 | linuxstb | preglow: what are you working on? Adding a new codec library? |
| 23:28:06 | HCl | hey amiconn |
| 23:28:27 | HCl | amiconn: can you checkout current rockboy and do some tests whether its still working on archos? |
| 23:29:27 | amiconn | Did you add the modes for archos as well? |
| 23:29:35 | HCl | yea |
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| 23:30:18 | | Part pillo ("Kopete 0.9.2 : http://kopete.kde.org") |
| 23:30:19 | amiconn | You could try yourself in the simulator too, but let's see whether I find some time |
| 23:30:21 | HCl | though there is no button for it yet |
| 23:30:27 | HCl | don't have access to a simulator |
| 23:30:38 | amiconn | Still working... though at home now |
| 23:30:41 | HCl | i'm on a hacked wireless connection that doesn't have the bandwidth to vnc to my server |
| 23:31:42 | amiconn | rasher: u there? |
| 23:31:54 | preglow | linuxstb: a new mp3 decoder |
| 23:32:03 | preglow | amiconn: i've removed all the standard libs |
| 23:32:08 | preglow | amiconn: headers, i mean |
| 23:32:26 | linuxstb | Have you written an "mp3towav" test plugin for it? |
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| 23:32:33 | rasher | amiconn: yup |
| 23:32:40 | amiconn | preglow: hmrpf. Then it shouldn't complain when you include codec.h instead |
| 23:32:41 | preglow | linuxstb: i'm working on it |
| 23:33:00 | preglow | amiconn: but what about stuff like memcpy? |
| 23:33:08 | preglow | amiconn: it uses that as well, and that isn't declared in codec.h |
| 23:34:12 | amiconn | You'd need an own central header for the codec, or add some more #defines to codec.h |
| 23:34:41 | amiconn | AH, wrong |
| 23:34:52 | pabs | HCl: you really should have hte menu on select, not on mode (for the iriver) |
| 23:34:56 | rasher | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=43471&cid=4585063 < it's in a slashdot comment... but it still looks interesting |
| 23:35:09 | HCl | mrf. |
| 23:35:11 | pabs | HCl: it's the easiest button to accidentally hit on the h100, so it should point at a non-game button if possible |
| 23:35:24 | HCl | i'll consider it |
| 23:35:27 | rasher | pabs: menu on mode is consistant with rockbox |
| 23:35:31 | pabs | HCl: granted, select is the best button on the gameboy to have there, if any |
| 23:35:48 | amiconn | rasher: I hacked together a funny thing - your logo.rock is now running on the archos player too (you know, the one with the charcell lcd) |
| 23:36:00 | rasher | oh dear |
| 23:36:08 | pabs | HCl: i'll jsut finish the keybinding stuff so this isn't an issue |
| 23:36:19 | amiconn | It's a somewhat tinly logo though - 16x7 pixels |
| 23:36:24 | pabs | rasher: true, but we don't quit on stop, and that'd be consistent with rockbox as well |
| 23:36:28 | rasher | heh |
| 23:36:40 | rasher | pabs: if I had my way, it would :) |
| 23:37:11 | pabs | rasher: given the button requirements of rockboy, taht's not really feasable |
| 23:37:37 | coob | how many buttons do you have |
| 23:37:43 | HCl | not enough. |
| 23:37:49 | HCl | we have 4 buttons |
| 23:37:53 | HCl | er |
| 23:37:54 | HCl | 5 |
| 23:37:59 | HCl | and we need A,B, select and start |
| 23:38:20 | coob | possible to detect two at a time? |
| 23:38:32 | HCl | only A + any other |
| 23:38:47 | HCl | technically, hold could be used but its not very practical |
| 23:38:53 | HCl | its assigned to mode switching at the moment |
| 23:38:54 | pabs | HCl: if i get a break from wrk i'll do the keybindings stuff this evening, otherwise it'll have to wait until tomorrow |
| 23:39:01 | HCl | yea, take your time |
| 23:39:06 | HCl | i'm not really in a hurry either |
| 23:39:15 | HCl | my jaw still hurts like hell from those wisdom teeth being pulled |
| 23:39:26 | HCl | so i just do things slowly and when i feel like it |
| 23:39:32 | rasher | Don't mention those |
| 23:39:41 | HCl | sorry o.o |
| 23:39:45 | rasher | Mine are threatening to annoy me |
| 23:39:54 | rasher | They might hear you :) |
| 23:39:57 | HCl | :p |
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| 23:41:15 | Rick | hmm |
| 23:41:28 | Rick | is srand() handled automatically by rockbox or should I initialize it with a seed? |
| 23:42:13 | coob | why does that always sound vaguely sexual :/ |
| 23:42:21 | HCl | O.o;; |
| 23:42:32 | HCl | somebody whack the pervertedness out of coob |
| 23:43:01 | Rick | haha |
| 23:45:37 | amiconn | preglow: The mem*() functions are part of xxx2wav, so the references should be resolved when linking. You need to include the standard header that declares them though. |
| 23:45:55 | amiconn | That's why I didn't remove all standard headers from the other codecs btw, only stdlib.h is evil |
| 23:48:14 | rasher | rasher: I think you have to seed it |
| 23:48:40 | rasher | uh |
| 23:48:47 | rasher | rick: that was for you :) |
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| 23:52:35 | rasher | amiconn: Does it run in the sim? patch? I have to see this.. |
| 23:52:35 | Rick | hehe |
| 23:53:21 | amiconn | rasher: I'll integrate it into the main logo.rock (made a temporary copy to try my ideas), then commit it |
| 23:53:37 | rasher | alright |
| 23:53:54 | amiconn | Need to do variable button definitions for that. |
| 23:54:09 | amiconn | (Player has no up & down nor off) |
| 23:54:49 | rasher | ah |
| 23:56:01 | amiconn | I also want to change the delta increase / decrease slightly |
| 23:56:14 | rasher | please do so |
| 23:56:27 | rasher | it seems... strange |
| 23:56:40 | amiconn | Currently it just adds or subtracts one regardless of direction, so the effect of ech direction pair is switched when the logo bounces |
| 23:56:51 | rasher | yup |
| 23:57:52 | amiconn | My change will make the Up button always increase the absolute delta, and the Down button decrease it (down to 0) |
| 23:58:03 | amiconn | Left/ Right equivalent |
| 23:58:24 | rasher | sounds reasonable |
| 23:58:55 | amiconn | And yes... the player logo.rock works in the simulator, although a bit slow |
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