| 00:00:16 | rasher | amiconn: excellent |
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| 00:01:59 | amiconn | Bagder: Two more things, regarding the plugin Makefile. (1) What do you think about the way I added sub-dir support? (2) Is there a reason why for the simulators, the plugins don't depend on the plugin lib (which I just stumbled upon), but on plugin.h instead? |
| 00:02:53 | Bagder | 1) haven't checked how the subdirs support works, 2) mostly because it would make all plugins to get rebuilt when the lib is changed which could be painful |
| 00:04:03 | amiconn | (2) is done for the target. |
| 00:04:28 | amiconn | ...and I don't understand the dependence on plugin.h |
| 00:04:55 | Bagder | plugin.h sets the API |
| 00:05:23 | rasher | amiconn: that is most excellent :) |
| 00:05:28 | rasher | you scary person |
| 00:05:51 | amiconn | Bagder: But then the target plugins don't depend on plugin.h ? |
| 00:05:57 | Bagder | they should |
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| 00:06:03 | Bagder | imho |
| 00:06:12 | amiconn | $(OBJDIR)/%.elf: $(OBJDIR)/%.o $(LINKFILE) $(OBJDIR)/libplugin.a |
| 00:07:17 | amiconn | ...and this works better than the simulator plugin build, imho |
| 00:07:42 | Bagder | well it rebuilds more than necessary |
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| 00:07:49 | Bagder | while the sim does fewer than it should |
| 00:08:26 | amiconn | I stumbled upon this when testing my playergfx library. When I change the library only, the library gets rebuilt, but not relinked to the plugins |
| 00:08:28 | muesli- | re |
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| 00:08:55 | Bagder | I don't mind seeing it fixed |
| 00:09:09 | amiconn | Bagder: Is there a way to make only those plugins depend on the library that actually use it? |
| 00:09:34 | Bagder | we would have to come up with a way to "detect" those plugins |
| 00:09:51 | Bagder | and generate dependencies based on that |
| 00:10:09 | amiconn | Hmm. Same goes for the codec test plugins. The plugins don't pickup codec changes |
| 00:10:13 | Bagder | for now, I think we should make them depend on plugin.h and the lib |
| 00:10:39 | Bagder | ... but we simply cannot make all plugins depend on all codecs |
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| 00:11:15 | Rick | hm |
| 00:11:27 | Rick | is iriver little endian or big endian? |
| 00:11:36 | HCl | big |
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| 00:11:47 | HCl | afaik |
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| 00:12:34 | [Zmaj] | hi all |
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| 00:15:26 | amiconn | Bagder: The codec plugins could be detected by a pattern match. They all match *wav.c |
| 00:16:21 | amiconn | ..and the plugins depending on the plugin lib have one thing in common - they include headers from the lib directory |
| 00:17:00 | Bagder | all that still forces us to do hairy scripts to generate dependencies |
| 00:17:16 | Bagder | but I guess we will end up there sooner or later |
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| 00:18:30 | amiconn | The compiler can do this for compiling the .c files. Couldn't that mechanism be 'misused' for the linkage stage somehow? |
| 00:18:59 | Bagder | no, the compiler only does it for include files |
| 00:19:10 | preglow | isn't there some other way of hard coding what a codec needs? not right now, but when they're codec plugins, not ordinary plugins |
| 00:19:40 | preglow | are there anyone at all working on getting the codec api up and going, btw? |
| 00:19:58 | Bagder | preglow: not that I know of |
| 00:20:04 | preglow | we really need that :/ |
| 00:20:26 | preglow | linuxstb said he'd take a look at it, but seems like he's loaded with other work these days |
| 00:20:40 | condor9 | amiconn: I fixed my partition table problem w/2.4. Thanks for your help. |
| 00:21:07 | preglow | being able to actually use the codecs would be a big motivating factor |
| 00:21:23 | amiconn | Bagder: Anyway, when all plugins depend on the plugin lib, they all get relinked when the lib changes, but linking is fast... The way it is now, I often end up rebuilding *much* more than needed, to avoid unwanted effects: "make clean; make" |
| 00:21:48 | Bagder | let me repeat: "for now, I think we should make them depend on plugin.h and the lib" |
| 00:23:04 | amiconn | Yeas, okay. Hmm, I still don't get why they should depend on plugin.h This is the linkage stage, and if plugin.h changes, the .o gets rebuilt anyway, by the generated dependencies |
| 00:23:22 | Bagder | hm, true |
| 00:23:30 | Bagder | the dependency on plugin.h will never make a difference |
| 00:23:39 | amiconn | yup |
| 00:23:57 | amiconn | but it's one more check for 'make' |
| 00:24:51 | amiconn | okay, fixing... |
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| 00:33:41 | * | rasher watches logo.rock on playersim |
| 00:33:58 | amiconn | Well, it's a bit flickery and slow on the sim |
| 00:34:25 | preglow | mpegdec is also a rather noisy decoder |
| 00:34:30 | preglow | i seriously doubt it is compliant |
| 00:35:14 | rasher | amiconn: looks fine here (x11 sim) |
| 00:35:20 | amiconn | preglow: How does one test compliance? |
| 00:35:41 | preglow | amiconn: by using a reference waveformen and computing rms |
| 00:35:42 | amiconn | rasher: I tried all of win32 sim, x11 sim and target. Target looks best :) |
| 00:35:56 | rasher | of course |
| 00:35:57 | preglow | amiconn: i just did a simple waveform subtract, there's lots of noise left |
| 00:36:18 | amiconn | preglow: Is there a test program and reference .mp3 ? |
| 00:36:33 | preglow | amiconn: yes, libmad links to them on the compliance page |
| 00:38:21 | amiconn | Hmm. Iirc mpegdec is the Stephane Tavenard thing, so it is based on mpega.library for the amiga (which is pure 68k asm). |
| 00:38:44 | preglow | tavenard, yes |
| 00:38:52 | amiconn | I could perform a compliance test with my Amiga, to sort out possible porting problems |
| 00:39:22 | preglow | well, is there much point? it's slower than libmad |
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| 00:40:41 | preglow | and the source code is a nightmare |
| 00:40:42 | amiconn | I don't konw, you're the emac man. Libmad was slower than mpegdec is now before you added emac, right? |
| 00:40:59 | preglow | i can check that in a jiffy |
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| 00:42:02 | amiconn | I know that mpega.library (~mpegdec) is twice as fast as libmad on Amiga. |
| 00:43:22 | preglow | well, small wonder, it's asm |
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| 00:44:38 | preglow | it's slower, about 5% so |
| 00:46:19 | preglow | mpegdec is also much smaller |
| 00:46:29 | preglow | so it might of course be good, i don't know |
| 00:51:14 | preglow | there's also some 68k asm bundled here, but it's written for an amiga, so probably won't work on coldfire |
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| 00:52:36 | Rick | try it ;P |
| 00:52:40 | Rick | got nothing to lose.. ;0 |
| 00:54:59 | preglow | it won't compile with gas, don't worry |
| 00:55:03 | preglow | i'll have to rewrite it |
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| 00:57:21 | preglow | but i don't know, someone else have a look at the code and comment |
| 00:57:43 | preglow | i don't quite feel like optimizing libmad if we're not going to use it |
| 00:57:49 | coob | preglow: did you see that ALAC stuff? |
| 00:57:56 | preglow | coob: ehh? |
| 00:58:07 | amiconn | preglow: I found the compliance test files, but for the software: "Because this software was developed under ISO copyright, it is not possible to open this directory for public access." :( |
| 00:58:16 | coob | preglow: http://craz.net/programs/itunes/alac.html |
| 00:58:32 | preglow | amiconn: ........... |
| 00:58:51 | preglow | coob: don't ask me, i don't care about that |
| 00:58:51 | Bagder | I added that alac link to the wiki already |
| 00:58:59 | coob | ah k |
| 00:59:05 | coob | thought i might be a bit late. |
| 00:59:06 | preglow | i've got my hands full with libmad, flac and tremor |
| 00:59:17 | preglow | that's the ones i personally care about, and that's more than enough work |
| 00:59:30 | Bagder | amiconn: I think I have a working approach for better dependencies for the plugins |
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| 01:06:07 | Bagder | night |
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| 01:07:39 | amiconn | Bagder: Now I know why the common simulator lib gets checked twice. |
| 01:08:36 | amiconn | Once it is referenced in apps/Makefile, and once in the respective simulator makefile. However, I don't know which one can be removed |
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| 01:51:58 | preglow | ANYWHO |
| 01:51:59 | preglow | i'm off |
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| 01:56:39 | Rick | Hmm |
| 01:56:41 | Rick | I just realized |
| 01:56:56 | Rick | there's a "bug" with markun's grayscale patch |
| 01:57:08 | Rick | it doesn't reset fg/bg back to 11/00 |
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| 01:57:15 | Rick | after plugin exits |
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| 02:18:23 | Rick | http://rick.gibbed.us/grayscale-fix.patch |
| 02:18:25 | Rick | simple enough ;P |
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| 02:20:38 | Rick | greets ashridah |
| 02:22:19 | ashridah | hey |
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| 02:32:58 | nobby | http://data.4chan.org/s/src/1110065619246.gif |
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| 02:34:54 | nobby | anyone know how iriver audio progress is going? |
| 02:35:43 | ashridah | slowly. |
| 02:36:01 | nobby | rockboy seems to be getting more attention.. :( |
| 02:37:09 | Rick | that's a bad thing? |
| 02:38:33 | ashridah | nobby: only by one or two people. some of the bits in rockboy needed to be attended to anyway (decent LCD driver, for instance) |
| 02:38:39 | midk | gaming vs an os for the iriver? i'd say. :P |
| 02:38:48 | ashridah | but the simple matter is that optimising codecs takes time. |
| 02:39:24 | Rick | is HCl even working on codecs? |
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| 02:40:42 | AC | hi |
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| 02:46:28 | Camilo | hi AC |
| 02:46:49 | AC | hi |
| 02:48:10 | AC | any news? |
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| 02:48:23 | Camilo | not from me :) I'm a spectator |
| 02:49:57 | AC | i am wokring on remote lcd |
| 02:50:16 | Camilo | really, what's the state of that? |
| 02:50:29 | AC | very beginning |
| 02:50:41 | AC | first thing is to get the backlight flashing |
| 02:50:52 | Camilo | how does it work? serial comms? |
| 02:51:20 | AC | spi |
| 02:51:34 | Camilo | what speed? does it matter |
| 02:52:01 | AC | speed.. i dont know, but it will be fast enough |
| 02:52:17 | Camilo | I take it the player is the master? |
| 02:52:57 | AC | clock comes from cpu |
| 02:53:19 | Camilo | I wonder if both ends can be masters |
| 02:53:43 | AC | no.. lcd is slave |
| 02:53:54 | Camilo | I had to debug some spi driver at work last week |
| 02:54:03 | Camilo | it was a pig |
| 02:54:24 | AC | i have never done spi.. my first try :) |
| 02:54:30 | Camilo | cool |
| 02:54:40 | Camilo | have you got a scope? |
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| 02:55:56 | AC | scope? englisch is not my motherlang |
| 02:56:00 | _Lucretia_ | hi all, I've started an Xclef MT-500 wiki page |
| 02:56:09 | Camilo | oscilloscope |
| 02:56:35 | AC | oh.. now i dont have one |
| 02:56:54 | Camilo | well I hope you manae without then :) |
| 02:57:02 | Camilo | (manage) |
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| 02:57:15 | AC | i hope too |
| 02:58:26 | AC | i must emulate spi, because the lcd is connected directly to the cpu |
| 02:59:15 | Camilo | that sounds painful |
| 02:59:37 | AC | painful but interesting |
| 02:59:40 | Camilo | I was using mpc8270, with spi controller onboard |
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| 03:00:17 | Camilo | so you are just using GPIO to drive the LCD? |
| 03:00:30 | AC | jep |
| 03:00:36 | Camilo | scary! |
| 03:00:47 | AC | there is no other way.. |
| 03:00:57 | AC | i was told |
| 03:01:11 | Camilo | which GPIO pins are you using? |
| 03:02:02 | AC | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverHardwareComponents#LCD_Controller_TOMATO_TL0324SF8 |
| 03:02:40 | Camilo | thanks, I'm looking |
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| 03:15:43 | _Lucretia_ | I've just been reading something in the FAQ #17 about the MAS chip, anyone interested in this? |
| 03:17:36 | Camilo | good luck AC, I'm off now |
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| 03:41:20 | jpburton5150 | question: is there some reason the grayscale patch hasnt been applied to cvs yet? |
| 03:46:07 | jpburton5150 | cus i think it should be... |
| 03:46:15 | jpburton5150 | :) |
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| 03:50:01 | bagawk | Who knows |
| 03:50:07 | bagawk | Maybe it is not stable |
| 03:50:10 | bagawk | :) |
| 03:51:21 | ashridah | jpburton5150: there are issues to resolve for the older platforms first. |
| 03:55:28 | jpburton5150 | i see.. thats what i figured actually |
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| 04:50:31 | Rick | whoo |
| 04:50:39 | Rick | looks like my bitmap loading... could work |
| 04:50:39 | Rick | ;P |
| 04:53:44 | ashridah | heh. that's it, stay positive :) |
| 04:53:57 | stevenm | Goddamnit. Not again. |
| 04:54:22 | stevenm | Can someone please explain to me why a musician would want to patch something into channel 9 when making a MIDI ? |
| 04:56:10 | ashridah | rofl. for a second then, i thought you meant the local free-to-air tv channel here called 'channel 9' |
| 04:56:13 | stevenm | Yeah. Drum release, for the MIDI codec. Disable looping and release for channel 9, to just let it run out and shoot down the voice. But no, somehow there's a program event there.. halfway thru this file, you get a SEA of sound |
| 04:56:49 | stevenm | I just disabled all patching of ch9... it's not even supposed to program it if such a drum exists |
| 04:57:21 | stevenm | Yet, halfway I get a sound overflow, with all notes on ch9 / note=27, 31, etc. Yeah, the first valid drum here is 38 |
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| 04:59:26 | * | stevenm bangs head against wall repeatedly, causing a nonlooped precussive sound |
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| 05:03:12 | stevenm | there, finally. this is nuts. |
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| 05:10:25 | Rick | whoo |
| 05:10:33 | Rick | made two 'splash' bitmaps for my game |
| 05:10:34 | Rick | ;D |
| 05:12:03 | stevenm | does anyone knows when linus or stripwax will be back ? |
| 05:12:47 | Rick | nope |
| 05:12:54 | Rick | I don't think linus was even on today |
| 05:13:48 | stevenm | hmm |
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| 05:16:32 | Rick | hmmm |
| 05:16:41 | Rick | how is the bitmap stored internally? from bottom left or bottom right? |
| 05:16:44 | Rick | i'm guessing bottom right |
| 05:26:02 | Bonkers | normally the two choice are top left or bottom left |
| 05:26:10 | Bonkers | s/choice/choices/ |
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| 05:35:17 | Rick | ah |
| 05:35:28 | Rick | well, someone earlier told me that the bitmaps internally on the iriver are stored upside down |
| 05:36:49 | Bonkers | well upside down depends on your point of view |
| 05:37:40 | Rick | my point of view = what I see on the screen. ;P |
| 05:39:02 | Bonkers | heh, well I meant that still doesn't clarify if the origin is the top left or bottom left |
| 05:40:14 | Rick | heh |
| 05:40:26 | Rick | i'll just see how it turns out when I draw the bitmap then |
| 05:40:26 | Rick | ;) |
| 05:43:31 | stevenm | Rick, I remember at some point running into a problem where regular .BMPs were stored upside-down |
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| 05:45:07 | Rick | Ah |
| 05:47:36 | stevenm | Just not sure if it's all of them, or what. that was a long long time ago |
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| 05:54:45 | Rick | ah |
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| 06:01:12 | Rick | nice |
| 06:01:18 | Rick | got my bitmap exporter going |
| 06:26:28 | Rick | whoo, stupid bug prevented it from finding the loaded bitmap |
| 06:26:31 | * | Rick kicks it |
| 06:26:32 | Rick | ;P |
| 06:26:56 | Rick | lol! |
| 06:26:58 | Rick | gibberish! |
| 06:26:59 | Rick | hah |
| 06:27:15 | * | Rick goes to make a fix |
| 06:29:00 | Rick | ah |
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| 06:31:53 | Rick | I feel silly now |
| 06:32:09 | Rick | I generated a grayscale bitmap instead of a b&w one |
| 06:32:10 | Rick | ;P |
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| 06:44:47 | Rick | hrm |
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| 07:03:05 | Rick | hmmmm |
| 07:03:07 | Rick | interesting |
| 07:03:17 | Rick | there's an internal limit on how many file handles can be opened? |
| 07:04:12 | ashridah | well, yeah, since file handles consume memory |
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| 07:05:00 | ashridah | since there's not really a malloc available to rockbox, there's probably a set number defined at compile time. |
| 07:05:11 | ashridah | the malloc that's been added is relatively new. |
| 07:06:07 | Rick | right |
| 07:06:19 | Rick | I was just wondering, I ran out because I forgot to close one at the end of my load sequence |
| 07:06:40 | Rick | so eventually I couldn't run my plugin anymore |
| 07:06:40 | Rick | ;p |
| 07:10:07 | Rick | oi |
| 07:10:13 | Rick | okay, from what I see |
| 07:10:49 | Rick | internal format is made up of 8x8 blocks (each 8 bits representing a vertical line of 8 pixels), going vertically then horizontally |
| 07:48:34 | Rick | hah! |
| 07:48:35 | Rick | it works |
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| 08:38:01 | Rick | hrm |
| 08:38:07 | Rick | I thought button_get(true) implied a yield? |
| 08:39:16 | Rick | ah |
| 08:39:17 | Rick | nevermind |
| 08:39:21 | Rick | I think I confused something |
| 08:43:35 | Rick | http://rick.gibbed.us/images/rbounce.png |
| 08:43:48 | Rick | ;D |
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| 09:59:24 | HCl | mrf |
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| 10:00:41 | Rick | 'sup HCl |
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| 10:51:06 | muesli- | g'morning |
| 10:51:15 | Rick | morning |
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| 11:26:49 | HCl | morning. |
| 11:32:34 | | Part amiconn |
| 11:33:53 | Rick | :] |
| 11:33:54 | HCl | is there any way to tell cvs to not commit any changes in a certain file? |
| 11:34:03 | * | Rick is working the kinks out of rbounce |
| 11:34:08 | Rick | hmmm... dunno |
| 11:34:09 | Rick | :< |
| 11:34:57 | Rick | my game is progressing well |
| 11:34:58 | Rick | ;D |
| 11:35:10 | HCl | what game is it? |
| 11:35:14 | Rick | rbounce |
| 11:35:14 | Rick | sec |
| 11:35:16 | Rick | i'll take a dump |
| 11:35:21 | Rick | screendump that is |
| 11:35:42 | HCl | kay |
| 11:36:57 | Bonkers | HCl: never for a certain file or jsut one time? |
| 11:38:18 | HCl | never for a certain file... |
| 11:38:28 | HCl | but i guess i can just do cvs commit <filenames i want to commit > |
| 11:38:33 | Bonkers | I think there's a file called .cvsignore that you can create |
| 11:38:39 | Rick | hrm |
| 11:38:41 | Rick | I need a paused key |
| 11:38:44 | HCl | okay :) |
| 11:38:45 | HCl | thanks |
| 11:38:48 | Rick | would make taking screenshots easy |
| 11:38:49 | Rick | ;P |
| 11:39:10 | Bonkers | yep, .cvsignore |
| 11:42:48 | Rick | http://rick.gibbed.us/images/rbounce.png |
| 11:43:10 | * | HCl gets confused to what game it is o.o;;; |
| 11:43:18 | Rick | it's a game where balls bounce around |
| 11:43:23 | Rick | and you have to fill up the area |
| 11:43:29 | HCl | okay o.oo. |
| 11:43:30 | Rick | without them hitting the new wall |
| 11:43:44 | Rick | there's a kde version of the game called kbounce |
| 11:43:44 | HCl | i'll see when its in cvs, i guess ^^; |
| 11:43:49 | muesli- | Rick are you working on rockboy? |
| 11:43:52 | Rick | no |
| 11:43:54 | Rick | that's HCl |
| 11:44:13 | HCl | yea, thats me. |
| 11:44:14 | HCl | :p |
| 11:44:29 | muesli- | ah ;-) so HCl are there improvements of speed possible? |
| 11:44:33 | Rick | trying to figure out a bug atm that causes the walls to stop prematurely |
| 11:45:22 | Rick | oh, haha, I think I know what it is now |
| 11:45:28 | HCl | ofcourse. |
| 11:45:45 | HCl | i'm working on a prototype of dynarec |
| 11:47:36 | Rick | yep, I think I figured it out |
| 11:48:49 | Rick | okay, that was a very stupid bug |
| 11:48:49 | Rick | ;P |
| 11:50:25 | Rick | now I need to figure out an algorithm to search for holes and close them up |
| 11:55:22 | Bonkers | Rick: jezzball? |
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| 11:56:12 | Rick | Bonkers: that was the name of a TI calc version, yeah |
| 11:56:22 | Bonkers | I think it was the windows version's name first |
| 11:56:26 | Rick | ah |
| 11:56:27 | Rick | I dunno ;O |
| 11:56:32 | Bonkers | it was an old microsoft game that came with a gamepack |
| 11:56:41 | Bonkers | great game though |
| 11:56:42 | Rick | Hehe |
| 11:56:54 | Rick | sec... |
| 11:58:15 | Rick | http://rick.gibbed.us/rbounce.c |
| 11:58:17 | Rick | http://rick.gibbed.us/rbounce.bitmaps |
| 11:58:23 | Rick | if you want to see |
| 11:59:03 | Bonkers | I'll have to check it out tomorrow, I've to to head to bed, it's 6am here |
| 11:59:06 | Rick | Hehe |
| 11:59:11 | Rick | gnight |
| 11:59:18 | Rick | (It's 3am here ;P) |
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| 12:00:00 | muesli- | 12am ^^ |
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| 12:24:08 | [IDC]Dragon | hi there |
| 12:24:18 | [IDC]Dragon | HCl, do you read? |
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| 12:34:22 | HCl | eh |
| 12:34:23 | HCl | i do |
| 12:34:25 | HCl | now |
| 12:34:26 | HCl | whats up? |
| 12:34:32 | [IDC]Dragon | hi |
| 12:34:42 | [IDC]Dragon | I've leeched all your ROMs ;-) |
| 12:34:47 | HCl | kay. |
| 12:34:50 | ashridah | haha |
| 12:34:59 | ashridah | knew i forgot something |
| 12:34:59 | [IDC]Dragon | trying out an emulator called bgb now |
| 12:35:15 | [IDC]Dragon | I was about to ask you for a good one |
| 12:35:23 | HCl | that reminds me, *deletes interstella 5555 off his ftp* |
| 12:35:25 | HCl | for windows? |
| 12:35:30 | [IDC]Dragon | but this looks pretty good |
| 12:35:31 | HCl | virtual boy advance |
| 12:35:33 | [IDC]Dragon | yes |
| 12:35:36 | HCl | is the best |
| 12:35:42 | [IDC]Dragon | ok |
| 12:36:14 | HCl | or was it called something else :x |
| 12:36:30 | HCl | ohyea |
| 12:36:32 | coob | vba is neat |
| 12:36:33 | HCl | visual boy advance |
| 12:36:35 | HCl | not virtual |
| 12:36:35 | HCl | sorry |
| 12:36:36 | HCl | :) |
| 12:36:38 | ashridah | interstella 5555? |
| 12:36:43 | * | [IDC]Dragon googles |
| 12:36:44 | coob | needs scale2x though |
| 12:36:54 | coob | grab the snes9x with scale2x stuff in it you can |
| 12:38:07 | [IDC]Dragon | beta or release? |
| 12:42:21 | [IDC]Dragon | 1.8 beta works for me |
| 12:43:03 | Rick | eep |
| 12:43:07 | Rick | froze my h120 |
| 12:43:08 | Rick | hehe |
| 12:43:11 | * | Rick looks for a thumbtack |
| 12:43:18 | HCl | ashridah: its a movie of daft punk, its their entire album discovery describing an anime story |
| 12:43:59 | webmind | HCl, oe... |
| 12:44:02 | webmind | HCl, wanna ? |
| 12:44:04 | webmind | or |
| 12:44:08 | webmind | can I have a copy? |
| 12:44:10 | HCl | what? o.o |
| 12:44:14 | HCl | oh. sure.. its on cnet.. |
| 12:44:19 | webmind | ah |
| 12:44:20 | webmind | ofcourse |
| 12:44:28 | * | webmind logs in |
| 12:44:44 | HCl | its pretty nice since it has no speech whatsoever |
| 12:44:54 | HCl | aside from the lyrics of the songs, which aren't much, really. |
| 12:45:07 | ashridah | ah |
| 12:45:13 | HCl | yes it still describes a nice story |
| 12:45:42 | HCl | yet* |
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| 13:13:24 | DeadMan | one more time.... |
| 13:13:39 | DeadMan | I have the movie |
| 13:14:06 | DeadMan | Great oldskool style anime |
| 13:14:23 | DeadMan | Reminds me of Battle of the Planets :) |
| 13:14:41 | Rick | fuck |
| 13:14:45 | Rick | I think I just damaged my reset button |
| 13:14:55 | DeadMan | how so? |
| 13:15:00 | Rick | pushed on it too hard |
| 13:15:04 | Rick | it 'popped' |
| 13:15:18 | Rick | out of place |
| 13:15:20 | DeadMan | might need to open it up and take alook |
| 13:15:33 | DeadMan | got a torq screw driver? |
| 13:16:08 | Rick | no |
| 13:16:13 | DeadMan | bummer |
| 13:16:39 | Rick | well |
| 13:16:51 | Rick | I guess that's enough testing until tommorow when I can see it (and open it up, hopefully) |
| 13:17:09 | DeadMan | the reset is really poorly designed |
| 13:17:23 | Rick | heh |
| 13:17:26 | Rick | well |
| 13:17:33 | Rick | I figure I should be able to see it by just taking off the bottom |
| 13:17:45 | DeadMan | it should be a recessed button not a button inside with room to stick things like needles either side of it |
| 13:18:00 | Rick | heh |
| 13:18:12 | Rick | I really hope I can fix it :( |
| 13:18:28 | DeadMan | probably can if it's not broken off |
| 13:19:02 | DeadMan | they should supply you with the proper sized tool....silly iRiver |
| 13:19:04 | Rick | it feels like it was just pushed aside |
| 13:19:10 | ashridah | heh. i think i've used that reset button once up until i installed rockbox |
| 13:19:49 | Rick | heh |
| 13:19:56 | Rick | i've been trying to track down an infinite loop bug in my code |
| 13:20:25 | crwl | i needed the reset quite often but then I fixed those files that caused hanging |
| 13:20:35 | crwl | the iriver firmware crashes with ogg files done with a certain oldish encoder |
| 13:20:55 | crwl | some cvs version between libvorbis rc2 and rc3 didn't set the nominal bitrate header, which causes the crash :P |
| 13:21:06 | ashridah | crwl: interesting. haven't had that myself, but most of my ogg encoding is relatively recent |
| 13:21:25 | crwl | ashridah, it might be that no release version of libvorbis created files like that |
| 13:21:35 | ashridah | i think i've run across one mp3 that caused the playback to hang, although not the entire player |
| 13:21:37 | crwl | but I happen to have a couple of albums |
| 13:21:39 | DeadMan | it's best to use a metal rod that is thing enough with a flat head rather than a needle. A paperclip should work though |
| 13:21:50 | DeadMan | thin not thing |
| 13:21:52 | Rick | hmm |
| 13:21:54 | Rick | good idea |
| 13:21:57 | Rick | i'll do that tommorow though |
| 13:22:04 | Rick | hopefully I can take the bottom off and take a look |
| 13:23:02 | Rick | http://www.rockbox.org/iriver/front.jpg |
| 13:23:10 | Rick | loooks like the reset button is that white thing on the bottom 'right center' |
| 13:23:51 | DeadMan | yep |
| 13:23:58 | Rick | well |
| 13:24:00 | Rick | i'm off to sleep |
| 13:24:03 | Rick | gnight |
| 13:24:05 | DeadMan | little black plastic push in |
| 13:24:20 | Rick | have you taken yours apart? |
| 13:24:33 | DeadMan | no |
| 13:24:41 | DeadMan | looks like it though from that pic |
| 13:24:49 | Rick | ah |
| 13:25:05 | Rick | hopefully it's like a plastic bit that can be positioned |
| 13:25:19 | Rick | not something that snapped/bent off |
| 13:25:20 | Rick | :< |
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| 13:25:41 | Rick | anyway, gnight |
| 13:26:00 | DeadMan | nn |
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| 13:59:18 | Tomas2 | hi |
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| 14:03:02 | HCl | gah. |
| 14:03:04 | HCl | hello. |
| 14:03:21 | Tomas2 | Mostly American's here? |
| 14:03:22 | HCl | people on internet who think its fine to be rude and mean cause its "just the internet" are really frustrating and annoying -.- |
| 14:03:28 | HCl | mostly european, i think. |
| 14:03:34 | Tomas2 | oh ok... |
| 14:03:35 | HCl | i'm dutch, like you. |
| 14:03:40 | Tomas2 | I tought everybody was sleeping ;) |
| 14:03:46 | Tomas2 | A cool |
| 14:03:55 | HCl | but at the moment i'm just rather frustrated |
| 14:04:04 | Tomas2 | Why? |
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| 14:04:19 | Tomas2 | hi |
| 14:04:26 | HCl | people being mean and rude to me, cause they feel its "just the internet" |
| 14:05:06 | Tomas2 | yeah... I'm irc-operator on activenet... It are mostly little kids.. 13 or 14 y/o |
| 14:05:27 | Tomas2 | They don't understand that there are real people with real feelings on the other side |
| 14:07:38 | Tomas2 | But I was searching for a rockbox plugin developper? |
| 14:08:01 | Tomas2 | Is there anybody here who devved a plugin/app for rockbox jet? |
| 14:08:55 | HCl | yea.. |
| 14:08:55 | HCl | oh. |
| 14:08:59 | HCl | i made rockboy... |
| 14:09:03 | HCl | i guess that counts? :3 |
| 14:09:05 | Tomas2 | Cool |
| 14:09:50 | Tomas2 | (I saw your hostname is ending in utwente.nl, what studie are you doing? some technical?) |
| 14:10:33 | Tomas2 | I am a reasonable c++ coder... so it must be possible to write some C plugin's for rockbox... |
| 14:11:10 | HCl | hehe :) computer science.. |
| 14:11:29 | Tomas2 | Yeah, tought so |
| 14:12:14 | Tomas2 | I'm in VWO-5 so looking for some intresting studie.. |
| 14:12:55 | HCl | mmhm. |
| 14:13:06 | HCl | to be honest. i think compsci is sometimes rather boring. |
| 14:14:00 | Tomas2 | well.. I live close to delft, so I have been looking there... and they have "Technische informatica" but that's starting to code all over again.. so i was more looking at aerospace design... |
| 14:15:05 | Tomas2 | Officially called "Aerospace Engineering" |
| 14:15:45 | Tomas2 | but I was searching something completely differend... |
| 14:15:46 | HCl | ah. |
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| 14:15:57 | Tomas2 | I wanted to ask you some things about rockbox plugins |
| 14:16:02 | HCl | well, compsci takes it slow at first, but thats mainly just the first semesters of the first year |
| 14:16:06 | HCl | it gets complicated quickly |
| 14:16:14 | HCl | with compiler design and artificial intelligence in the second year |
| 14:16:44 | Tomas2 | hmz... sounds more intresting than "technische informatica" in delft... |
| 14:17:02 | Tomas2 | maybe I'll have a look at the tutwente... |
| 14:20:31 | Tomas2 | But is there an example small plugin? To find out how to interface works, and things like that? |
| 14:20:40 | amiconn | Hehe... Mario on speed now in the win32 sim.... I think too fast to be playable |
| 14:20:54 | muesli- | :DD |
| 14:21:11 | muesli- | am just playing sm, but its a little bit too slow |
| 14:21:38 | HCl | Tomas2: helloworld.c |
| 14:21:39 | coob | just clcoked mario with no warps :< |
| 14:21:52 | coob | mario award, woo. |
| 14:21:54 | HCl | Tomas2: there's docs/PLUGINAPI that describes the interface |
| 14:21:58 | amiconn | I optimised lcd_update() and lcd_update_rect() to invalidate only the window portion that actually changed. It used to always invalidate the whole window before |
| 14:22:01 | Tomas2 | ok, missed that one |
| 14:22:20 | Tomas2 | I'll have a look at the API doc's |
| 14:22:26 | CoCoLUS | is that only for the win32 sim or for the iriver too? |
| 14:23:09 | Tomas2 | what emulator are you using? Iriver? Or just an Archos? |
| 14:23:26 | amiconn | Win32 simulator only. The target always did that |
| 14:26:20 | Tomas2 | wow |
| 14:26:29 | Tomas2 | a full cvs checkout takes some time... |
| 14:31:53 | Tomas2 | HCl? What hardware are you using yourself? Iriver of Archos? |
| 14:31:56 | HCl | iriver |
| 14:32:08 | HCl | i didn't see much of practical use of an gameboy emu on archos |
| 14:32:11 | HCl | but ami ported it |
| 14:32:34 | Tomas2 | H120 or H140? |
| 14:32:45 | HCl | i got an h140, the one in the pics at http://titania.student.utwente.nl/rockbox/ |
| 14:33:21 | Tomas2 | ah ok |
| 14:33:26 | Tomas2 | I have the other colored H120 |
| 14:33:32 | HCl | *nods* |
| 14:33:50 | Tomas2 | :) |
| 14:33:57 | * | HCl goes to continue playing mario, got to the air level |
| 14:34:10 | Tomas2 | running in simulator or on your iriver? |
| 14:34:16 | HCl | hrm |
| 14:34:25 | HCl | obviously, i shouldn't run the testing dynarec version for that. |
| 14:34:26 | HCl | iriver. |
| 14:34:31 | HCl | i don't have a simulator |
| 14:34:53 | Tomas2 | ok, so you're testing all code on iriver? |
| 14:34:56 | HCl | yup. |
| 14:35:05 | HCl | rockboy actually ran on the iriver |
| 14:35:10 | HCl | while it broke on the simulators |
| 14:35:17 | HCl | before it was fixed |
| 14:35:34 | Tomas2 | funny... |
| 14:37:00 | HCl | it only really became feasable to test and work on iriver when usb support got added |
| 14:37:37 | Tomas2 | ? |
| 14:38:41 | HCl | ah, nevermind, not important o.o |
| 14:43:03 | HCl | yay. |
| 14:43:10 | HCl | i finished super marioworld |
| 14:43:11 | HCl | i think |
| 14:43:18 | Tomas2 | haha |
| 14:43:54 | HCl | yup :) |
| 14:43:56 | HCl | ending credits |
| 14:44:22 | Tomas2 | hm.. I don't get the gnu version to work on windows :X |
| 14:46:56 | coob | there's mario world on gameboy? |
| 14:47:09 | coob | the one with yoshi? |
| 14:47:23 | HCl | dunno, i have a rom named mario & yoshi, haven't tried it yet |
| 14:47:36 | HCl | wee. |
| 14:47:37 | HCl | top score |
| 14:47:39 | HCl | 226900 |
| 14:47:41 | coob | same :D |
| 14:47:51 | coob | except i was playing the colour version |
| 14:47:57 | coob | super mario dx or whatever |
| 14:48:45 | HCl | for some reason i can't seem to be able to get past the title screen in mario & yoshi |
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| 14:53:08 | muesli- | is it already possible to use the rockbox built in fw-flash option? |
| 14:53:22 | HCl | not on iriver |
| 14:56:03 | muesli- | for comfortable flashing an software reset option would be great |
| 14:56:28 | HCl | just stop and power on again.. |
| 14:56:42 | muesli- | otherwise yepp |
| 14:56:43 | HCl | software reset is for lazy people :p |
| 14:56:51 | muesli- | exactly :D |
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| 15:16:06 | _Lucretia_ | are there any flash-based players supported? I can't find any information on the website...not HDD players, pure flash, thanks |
| 15:17:00 | amiconn | _Lucretia_: The Archos Ondio is flash based & supported |
| 15:18:41 | _Lucretia_ | amiconn: is that the only one? |
| 15:18:56 | amiconn | yup |
| 15:18:58 | _Lucretia_ | amiconn: was there any help from the manufacturer? |
| 15:19:04 | amiconn | (so far) |
| 15:19:08 | amiconn | Nope |
| 15:19:25 | Bagder | no manufacturer ever helped Rockbox |
| 15:19:30 | _Lucretia_ | what about iRiver, I think I read somewhere a while back that they had set up an OSS site |
| 15:19:38 | _Lucretia_ | Bad: doesn't surprise me |
| 15:19:48 | _Lucretia_ | Bad=Bagder :-) |
| 15:20:10 | Bagder | well, we aren't surprised either, we don't expect help |
| 15:20:19 | Bagder | from them |
| 15:23:08 | amiconn | Bagder: A question concerning file naming: I'd like to add a kernel.c equivalent for the x11 sim, but I'm not sure how to call it. The win32 sim calls it's kernel.c equivalent kernel.c, while it calls the thread.c equivalent thread-win32.c. The x11 sim has a simple thread.c ... |
| 15:24:25 | Bagder | I have no real opinion on that |
| 15:24:53 | Bagder | I think I'd prefer the same name without prefix |
| 15:25:05 | amiconn | Hmm, okay. I'll just use kernel.c then |
| 15:26:41 | amiconn | Another thing: The simulator dependencies are twisted. If I change something in uisimulator/win32 (or uisimulator/x11 respectively), then just 'make', libsim.a does get rebuilt *after* the executable gets linked. Very odd. |
| 15:26:58 | Bagder | yes the deps are not working completely |
| 15:28:47 | _Lucretia_ | well, like I mentioned yesterday, I'm looking at the Xclef MT-500 flash player |
| 15:29:59 | _Lucretia_ | given that the player can be flashed over the USB cable, what kind of possibility do you think there is of getting more info from the device over the USB cable and a some sort of server program on a Linux box? |
| 15:30:46 | _Lucretia_ | The firmware starts at 0x2000, and the interrupt vectors start at 0x0, plus there's probably more fw after the vectors |
| 15:31:11 | * | _Lucretia_ is not a hardware reverse engineer, just a programmer |
| 15:31:19 | * | Bagder detects those now removed questions in lcd-win32.c... :-) |
| 15:33:02 | amiconn | Bagder: Nice, eh? lcd_update() is also faster now. Before this change it used to invalidate the whole window, not only the whole lcd rectangle |
| 15:33:37 | amiconn | When I now run mario in win32 sim recorder rockboy, it's so fast that it isn't playable... |
| 15:33:43 | Bagder | haha |
| 15:34:36 | Bagder | I guess the Sleep() was in there to slow it down |
| 15:35:21 | amiconn | I'm currently looking at the x11 sim, first thing is to make it more realtime (correct tick and sim_sleep() ) |
| 15:35:48 | Bagder | neato |
| 15:35:49 | amiconn | When I got this to work here, someone should test on a linux box.... |
| 15:36:04 | _Lucretia_ | anyone? |
| 15:36:14 | * | _Lucretia_ shrugs |
| 15:36:20 | amiconn | Next will be the button handling, then I'll take a look at how x11 handles bitmaps |
| 15:36:33 | Bagder | _Lucretia_: those things are very hard just to guess |
| 15:36:51 | Patr3ck | if someone is interested, i submitted a patch for manual profiling for the ...2wav plugins / libraries |
| 15:41:45 | Bagder | Patr3ck: I'm sure it'll be useful |
| 15:42:19 | Tomas2 | amiconn: I can test on linux if you want |
| 15:42:37 | amiconn | It's not ready yet... |
| 15:42:51 | Patr3ck | Badger: as far as I understand there is still need to optimize the codecs |
| 15:42:51 | Tomas2 | no, hilight / privmsg me if it is.. |
| 15:43:09 | Bagder | Patr3ck: yeps |
| 15:43:37 | amiconn | l8erz... gotta leave. |
| 15:43:41 | Tomas2 | bye |
| 15:43:44 | | Quit amiconn (" bye") |
| 15:44:42 | Patr3ck | Badger: The people optimizing the codecs will see the patch? |
| 15:44:56 | Bagder | yes |
| 15:45:18 | Bagder | we get mails from the tracker when new patches are submitted |
| 15:46:05 | Patr3ck | ok, fine |
| 15:46:09 | Tomas2 | hmz... how do I use the simulator? |
| 15:46:17 | Tomas2 | ../tools/configure |
| 15:46:18 | Tomas2 | make |
| 15:46:19 | Tomas2 | make install |
| 15:46:21 | Tomas2 | ? |
| 15:46:26 | Tomas2 | of something totally different? :) |
| 15:46:27 | Bagder | yes |
| 15:46:36 | Bagder | then start it ./rockboxui |
| 15:46:52 | Tomas2 | ok, I'll build it.. for if amiconn is ready :) |
| 15:47:31 | Patr3ck | I am wondering what I could do to help more |
| 15:47:43 | Tomas2 | Are you good at C? |
| 15:48:22 | Tomas2 | Maybe we can make a plugin request page or something like it.. and start making the usefull one's |
| 15:48:42 | Patr3ck | Me? What is good ;-) I did a lot of c++ during the last 1,5 years |
| 15:49:27 | Tomas2 | yeah, me too... but C isn't to difficult to do then... |
| 15:49:47 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ThingsTodo |
| 15:49:53 | Patr3ck | yes, except from the stuff that directly programms the hardware |
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| 15:50:37 | Bagder | there are also hundreds of open bugs and hundreds of feature requests... |
| 15:50:42 | Tomas2 | yeah, that's why I wanted to start with plugin's |
| 15:50:50 | Tomas2 | then we don't have to know much about the hardware |
| 15:51:04 | Bagder | plugins are very easily made |
| 15:51:35 | Patr3ck | I thought more about helping the progress of the iriver port, even if its hardware related |
| 15:51:56 | Tomas2 | Well.. I think you should start at the bug list then? |
| 15:52:03 | Bagder | that ThingsTodo page lists numerous iriver related things |
| 15:53:17 | Tomas2 | yeah... Can I use the simulator to adjust the screen todo's? |
| 15:53:30 | Patr3ck | I could imagine the "Firmware-patching GUI application" would be something |
| 15:53:34 | Bagder | Tomas2: yes |
| 15:54:07 | preglow | Patr3ck: i'm working on that |
| 15:54:09 | Tomas2 | I'll take a look at the games that need to be changed for iriver |
| 15:54:15 | preglow | Patr3ck: and it's done |
| 15:54:21 | Patr3ck | preglow: :-) |
| 15:55:14 | Patr3ck | So only games left... hm |
| 15:55:52 | Patr3ck | preglow: do you use a GUI toolkit? |
| 15:55:54 | Bagder | the sound codec architecture is the biggest job still not done |
| 15:56:05 | Tomas2 | and the hardest? |
| 15:56:25 | Bagder | Tomas2: possibly, optimizing the codecs is a pretty complicated work too |
| 15:56:48 | Patr3ck | Well the design is there: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs |
| 15:57:11 | Patr3ck | Na, wrong page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxAudioAPIProposal |
| 15:57:14 | preglow | Patr3ck: win32 api directly |
| 15:57:48 | Tomas2 | I'll take a look at that flipit game.. |
| 15:58:11 | preglow | i figured windows would be the platform most people would be on, and i already had a framework lying on my disk |
| 15:59:08 | Tomas2 | maybe someday find someone to do in in java? |
| 15:59:13 | Patr3ck | preglow: sure, cross-plattform is always difficult |
| 15:59:29 | CoCoLUS | <fn~Bagder> the sound codec architecture is the biggest job still not done |
| 15:59:30 | preglow | Patr3ck: and you'd have to bundle along large dlls and shit for a small patcher |
| 15:59:35 | CoCoLUS | who's working on that one? |
| 15:59:42 | preglow | CoCoLUS: no one, afaik |
| 16:00 |
| 16:00:17 | preglow | linuxstb said he'd look at it, but that's over a week ago, and nothing's happened, so i assume other work caught up to him |
| 16:00:31 | Patr3ck | preglow: wondering if this is true for wxwindows as well |
| 16:00:56 | preglow | Patr3ck: i don't know, i didn't even investigate it, as i had most of the code just lying around |
| 16:01:00 | preglow | right now the patcher is 50kb |
| 16:01:08 | preglow | with bootloader.bin in the exe |
| 16:01:19 | Patr3ck | cool |
| 16:01:31 | preglow | 57kb, i mean, it got larger with md5sum checker |
| 16:02:05 | Patr3ck | this is really small |
| 16:02:21 | CoCoLUS | maybe some more people should look into sound codec architecture? :) |
| 16:02:37 | preglow | well, it's not a lot of code, just basic gui handling, iriver.c and mkboot.c from tools/, and md5sum code from some other place |
| 16:03:28 | Patr3ck | CoCoLUS: This is such an integral, important part... |
| 16:04:01 | Tomas2 | where was that wiki plugin overview? |
| 16:04:06 | CoCoLUS | so everyone is afraid of tackling it? :) |
| 16:04:09 | Tomas2 | can't find it anymore :) |
| 16:04:25 | Patr3ck | preglow: I could imagine if there is need for a linux app, it could be as well be implemented native |
| 16:04:42 | Bagder | afraid, no, lack of time to do it yes |
| 16:04:59 | Bagder | Tomas2: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex |
| 16:05:05 | Tomas2 | tnx |
| 16:05:14 | preglow | CoCoLUS: it's also one of those things that has to be well thought out |
| 16:05:44 | preglow | but feel free to think up suggestions and put them in the wiki |
| 16:07:33 | CoCoLUS | isn't there some rather well "thought out" variant in the wiki? |
| 16:07:43 | CoCoLUS | with the double buffering system? |
| 16:07:54 | Bagder | its is not complete |
| 16:08:00 | Patr3ck | Maybe a quick and dirty prototype of the design would be helpfull |
| 16:08:04 | Bagder | and there probably needs to be 3 buffers |
| 16:08:34 | Bagder | I'd say most things would be helpful |
| 16:08:48 | Bagder | jump in! |
| 16:09:50 | Patr3ck | Badger: :-), starting to really think about some sort of prototype |
| 16:10:21 | Bagder | I'm a firm believer in iterative development |
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| 16:10:33 | Bagder | so anything done now can always be improved |
| 16:10:40 | Patr3ck | Me too, but were are the unit tests ;-) |
| 16:11:43 | Bagder | iterative doesn't require unit tests |
| 16:11:56 | Bagder | but it would be useful, sure |
| 16:12:27 | Patr3ck | sure, but the feeling of did I break something when changing is almost gone |
| 16:12:42 | Patr3ck | well, not much to break if there is nothing there yet |
| 16:12:53 | Tomas2 | Who devved the flip it game? |
| 16:13:19 | Tomas2 | ow sorry.. |
| 16:13:26 | Bagder | there's also the newly introduced bug with viewers |
| 16:13:27 | Tomas2 | "Copyright (C) 2002 Vicentini Martin |
| 16:13:29 | Bagder | that should be fixed |
| 16:13:52 | Tomas2 | is "Vicentini Martin" ever on IRC? |
| 16:13:57 | Tomas2 | And what's his nick? |
| 16:13:58 | Bagder | I don't think so |
| 16:14:06 | Tomas2 | :( |
| 16:14:57 | Patr3ck | Badger: Is it in the bug tracker? |
| 16:15:08 | Bagder | Patr3ck: no |
| 16:15:26 | Bagder | but you'll spot it yourself with the latest cvs |
| 16:15:47 | Bagder | just pop up the (long-press-on-select) menu on a file |
| 16:16:50 | Patr3ck | ok |
| 16:16:51 | Tomas2 | Bagder? For that wikiname... you ask firstname and lastname concatinated... but my lastname is Salfischberger wich makes TomasSalfischberger.. wich is a little long isn't it? |
| 16:17:57 | Bagder | Tomas2: we have many long names, it doesn't matter |
| 16:18:02 | Tomas2 | ok |
| 16:18:47 | CoCoLUS | sounds german :) |
| 16:18:57 | Tomas2 | isn't |
| 16:18:58 | Tomas2 | :) |
| 16:19:01 | Bagder | Patr3ck: you'll see duplicate plugin names in the menu |
| 16:19:10 | Tomas2 | My family is from austria... |
| 16:19:47 | Patr3ck | Badger: Thanks, I will take a look at it |
| 16:20:03 | Tomas2 | Is it ok to edit the ThingsTodo page? And put my name in for the flipit puzzel? |
| 16:20:12 | Bagder | Patr3ck: the problem comes from the fact that a single plugin can be a viewer for more than one extension |
| 16:20:28 | Bagder | Tomas2: sure, that's what the wiki is for! |
| 16:21:03 | Patr3ck | Badger: So the plugin is listed e.g. twice when it is registered for more than one file type? |
| 16:21:12 | Bagder | Patr3ck: correct |
| 16:21:26 | Patr3ck | Badger: ok, thanks |
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| 16:28:46 | Tomas2 | hi |
| 16:35:07 | Patr3ck | Badger: Favour a quick local or a clean fix that has more impact? |
| 16:35:43 | Bagder | I think I'd prefer the clean one |
| 16:36:30 | Patr3ck | ok, so for each plugin there should be a list of supported extensions |
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| 16:37:05 | Bagder | Patr3ck: not necessarily, since the list of extensions => plugin already exists |
| 16:37:55 | Patr3ck | Badger: I see (now) |
| 16:37:58 | Bagder | the problem is more that the code showing "open with..." doesn't take into account that the same plugin may be listed more than once |
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| 16:46:39 | preglow | Bagder: when they said they have it running on 90mhz coldfire, they didn't mention quality settings, did they? |
| 16:46:58 | | Quit gargantua () |
| 16:47:07 | Bagder | no |
| 16:47:31 | preglow | you can force mono mode, there are three quality settings, also half and quarter bandwidth decoding |
| 16:50:36 | preglow | #ifdef MPEGAUD_DEMO \n quality = 0; #endif |
| 16:50:41 | * | preglow dies a little inside |
| 16:50:59 | Bagder | hehe |
| 16:52:25 | Tomas2 | Bagder? what did you do with all those makefiles? |
| 16:52:44 | | Join newnick [0] (~53c9bb19@labb.contactor.se) |
| 16:52:44 | Bagder | I modified them |
| 16:53:05 | Bagder | use cvs diff, the web interface or read cvs commit mails |
| 16:53:55 | * | Bagder runs away |
| 16:54:20 | Tomas2 | yeah, I received the mails ;) |
| 16:54:26 | Tomas2 | that's why I asked |
| 16:54:42 | HCl | preglow: did you get it to stop outputting garbage? |
| 16:55:18 | | Quit newnick (Client Quit) |
| 16:57:11 | preglow | HCl: yes |
| 16:57:21 | preglow | HCl: it works fine now |
| 16:58:17 | preglow | hole god damn shit |
| 16:58:32 | preglow | i just commented away the disk writing, and libmad actually runs at 195% realtime |
| 16:58:36 | preglow | hahaha |
| 16:58:58 | HCl | disk writing? |
| 16:59:05 | HCl | ohh. |
| 16:59:05 | preglow | well, yes, mpa2wav dumps the result to disk |
| 16:59:09 | HCl | ahyea, |
| 16:59:13 | * | HCl grins. |
| 16:59:17 | HCl | yes, that would make a difference. |
| 16:59:32 | preglow | yes, so i figured, but 100% difference |
| 16:59:46 | HCl | mhm. |
| 16:59:56 | preglow | there's got to be something wrong here, it can't be that large |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:07 | HCl | i think it would be a more accurate test to write it to mem somewhere in a buffer |
| 17:00:12 | HCl | and keep overwriting it to that mem |
| 17:00:23 | HCl | though, sound can use dma? so you can keep decoding while its playing |
| 17:00:24 | preglow | well, that's what it does right now |
| 17:00:43 | HCl | sounds good to me. |
| 17:00:53 | HCl | personally, i'm curious to the lowest mhz we can run it at |
| 17:01:00 | HCl | while it still gets > 110% |
| 17:02:08 | preglow | the open with list is really broken now |
| 17:02:20 | preglow | it scales almost linearly |
| 17:02:25 | preglow | 120/2 = 60 |
| 17:02:29 | preglow | but we need more headroom |
| 17:05:08 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:05:18 | preglow | i don't bloody believe this |
| 17:13:00 | pabs | preglow: is that committed? |
| 17:13:20 | * | pabs woudl like to listen to some music for a change :o |
| 17:13:47 | preglow | pabs: how can you listen to the music? |
| 17:14:03 | * | Tomas2 luistert naar: Enya - Shepherd Moons (3:40) |
| 17:14:04 | preglow | if you've got rockbox working with sound, i'd very much like you to commit that first |
| 17:14:07 | * | Tomas2 is listening ;) |
| 17:14:07 | pabs | preglow: i thoughtthat's what you were working on |
| 17:14:10 | preglow | no |
| 17:14:21 | preglow | i'm fiddling around with codecs, i don't know squat about the sound hardware |
| 17:14:26 | pabs | gotcha |
| 17:14:38 | pabs | it's on linusn then! |
| 17:14:49 | * | pabs looks around for hte little bugger |
| 17:15:14 | preglow | linus usually doesn't come on in weekends |
| 17:15:31 | preglow | he's more than likely got his hands full with more important stuff |
| 17:15:54 | pabs | pshaw |
| 17:16:04 | preglow | but if libmad actually runs at 200% realtime... |
| 17:17:09 | crwl | is anyone looking at tremor? |
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| 17:17:40 | Tomas2 | lo |
| 17:18:14 | preglow | crwl: how looking at? |
| 17:18:44 | crwl | preglow, porting it to h1xx, or something... like you seem to be doing with libmad :) |
| 17:18:57 | preglow | removing the disk write contributed a VERY handsome boost |
| 17:19:07 | preglow | crwl: i'm planning on turning my attention to it after a while |
| 17:19:14 | preglow | i haven't got too much time these days either |
| 17:19:20 | crwl | yes |
| 17:19:43 | preglow | i'm decoding music at 200% |
| 17:20:14 | crwl | at 120 MHz? |
| 17:20:19 | preglow | yes |
| 17:20:23 | preglow | hahahha |
| 17:20:33 | crwl | does someone know at what speed the original iriver firmware runs? |
| 17:20:39 | preglow | good news: |
| 17:20:47 | preglow | it's almost bloody realtime at 48mhz |
| 17:21:13 | preglow | crwl: varies |
| 17:21:26 | crwl | well, when playing :) |
| 17:21:30 | preglow | crwl: varies |
| 17:21:33 | crwl | ah |
| 17:21:40 | preglow | depends on codec |
| 17:21:44 | preglow | and i don't really know |
| 17:21:44 | crwl | when playing mp3? |
| 17:21:45 | preglow | nor care |
| 17:21:49 | crwl | yeh |
| 17:21:53 | muesli- | sorry for that dully question, but what does it mean when you're decoding at 200% is it playing twice as normal? |
| 17:22:17 | preglow | muesli-: it produces data at double the rate it can be consumed by the audio hardware |
| 17:22:26 | crwl | i'm just wondering what's the level of optimization there in iriver firmware - and would rockbox use more battery, ... |
| 17:22:37 | preglow | crwl: level of optimization is probably decent |
| 17:22:46 | preglow | crwl: rockbox more battery: probably |
| 17:22:51 | preglow | crwl: in the start, at least |
| 17:24:11 | crwl | preglow, how much more? |
| 17:24:20 | preglow | crwl: how would i know? |
| 17:24:22 | crwl | :) |
| 17:24:25 | Tomas2 | depends on what you're running? |
| 17:24:26 | preglow | crwl: it's not even finished yet |
| 17:24:30 | crwl | yes, i understand that |
| 17:24:31 | crwl | i'm just curious |
| 17:24:57 | Tomas2 | Is the kernel capable to change cpu speed when it's used/not used? |
| 17:25:14 | preglow | Tomas2: yes |
| 17:25:19 | preglow | Tomas2: in a way |
| 17:25:36 | preglow | Tomas2: right now we have a mechanism of boosting cpu frequency when we need it |
| 17:25:38 | Tomas2 | well... then in the end it might use less battery than iRiver did.. |
| 17:25:46 | crwl | yeah |
| 17:25:47 | preglow | well, how do you know it doesn't do that? |
| 17:25:53 | crwl | the battery in h1xx is quite good anyway |
| 17:26:14 | crwl | most people probably would be ok even if rockbox initially consumed almost double the power |
| 17:26:36 | crwl | most of the ipod people are, after all :) |
| 17:26:38 | Tomas2 | yeah... mine normally works for 6 to 7 days... |
| 17:27:00 | Tomas2 | listening music in train and bus... |
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| 17:30:18 | Tomas|laptop | back in linux :) |
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| 17:37:41 | XShocK | 200% realtime... congrats.. :) |
| 17:37:52 | Tomas|laptop | Bagder? |
| 17:37:54 | Tomas|laptop | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/tomas/dev/rockbox-devel/uisimulator/common' |
| 17:37:54 | Tomas|laptop | make[2]: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 17:38:09 | Tomas|laptop | something to do with your makefile edit's? |
| 17:38:18 | Tomas|laptop | or do you know what's wrong? |
| 17:38:18 | DeadMan | we need MP3 playback api :) |
| 17:39:22 | XShocK | Tomas, did you get the uisimulator from cvs? |
| 17:39:32 | XShocK | besides only rockbox |
| 17:40:01 | Patr3ck | Badger: I have created a patch for the duplicate plugins shown |
| 17:40:14 | Tomas|laptop | XShocK: yes |
| 17:40:29 | Tomas|laptop | I checked-out rockbox-devel |
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| 17:40:36 | Tomas|laptop | and updated it just a few minutes ago |
| 17:41:32 | Tomas|laptop | it's an error after this: |
| 17:41:32 | Tomas|laptop | AR /home/tomas/dev/rockbox-devel/uisimulator/librockbox.a |
| 17:41:56 | XShocK | you didn't get the uisimulator |
| 17:42:14 | XShocK | check that uisimulator folder is in the rockbox directory |
| 17:42:33 | Tomas|laptop | yes it is |
| 17:42:56 | Patr3ck | the patch can be downloaded at http://www.steidle.net/temp-downloads/onplay.patch |
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| 17:43:39 | Tomas|laptop | XShocK: I checked-out rockbox-devel, then got to rockbox-devel/uisimulator and hit ../toold/configure |
| 17:43:44 | Tomas|laptop | answered the questions |
| 17:43:46 | Tomas|laptop | and did make |
| 17:43:54 | Tomas|laptop | but the make fails with the error I copyed above |
| 17:44:16 | XShocK | hmm. is uisimulator something like 1.8 MB large? |
| 17:44:49 | XShocK | i always was getting rockbox+uisimulator. not the "-devel" one |
| 17:45:02 | preglow | Patr3ck: dead link |
| 17:45:14 | Tomas|laptop | I'll try |
| 17:45:29 | Tomas|laptop | maybe the -devel one isn't totally working |
| 17:45:43 | Patr3ck | hang on, looking into it |
| 17:46:06 | XShocK | and you don't need to build it in the uisimulator directory, it can be you own newly created folder |
| 17:46:20 | Tomas|laptop | ok |
| 17:48:11 | XShocK | did anyone test the performance of ATA driver? it really looks like it is very slow, reading a megabytes takes several seconds... will need some real optimisation.. |
| 17:48:26 | XShocK | s/megabytes/1 megabyte/ |
| 17:50:36 | Tomas|laptop | how did you test it? |
| 17:51:49 | Tomas|laptop | to memory? |
| 17:52:28 | XShocK | yes, when i was playing the WAV file, 10 megabyte buffer was filling quite a big time... |
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| 17:52:59 | Tomas|laptop | Have you eliminated all other slow link possibility's> |
| 17:53:04 | Tomas|laptop | like slow loading to mem? |
| 17:53:08 | Patr3ck | use http://www.steidle.net/temp-downloads/onplay.zip the webserver is doing something stupid with the .patch extensions |
| 17:53:58 | XShocK | what i did is very simple call to read(..) function. |
| 17:54:29 | Tomas|laptop | hm.. |
| 17:54:40 | XShocK | there might be a problem with slow ram... but still there is nothing i could do for it.. |
| 17:54:54 | XShocK | it needs to be optimized. |
| 17:55:14 | Tomas|laptop | well... there is 32 mb of ram... and the iRiver firmware starts filling a part of it with mp3 cache when playing |
| 17:55:21 | XShocK | it doesn't use DMA, which would be a good choice. |
| 17:55:27 | Tomas|laptop | my player takes about a minute befor it stops loading from disk.. |
| 17:55:44 | Tomas|laptop | so maybe it's just te limit for the hardware? |
| 17:55:51 | Patr3ck | preglow: "open with" will now only show those plugins that are registered for the corresponding filename extension |
| 17:56:51 | XShocK | 22-13= it took 9 seconds to fill the buffer. which is certainly less than what i got in rockbox |
| 17:57:00 | preglow | Patr3ck: excellent |
| 17:57:23 | preglow | that was sorely needed |
| 17:57:26 | XShocK | 9 seconds is on irirver original firmware |
| 17:57:55 | Tomas|laptop | doing what? |
| 17:58:03 | Tomas|laptop | 9 seconds buffer filling? |
| 17:58:45 | XShocK | yes, then it shut the horddisk. howeve i don't know if it fills all 32 megabytes of ram or not, thou it should |
| 17:58:51 | preglow | XShocK: you could check if it can do dma, right now it uses pio mode |
| 17:59:17 | Patr3ck | preglow: will you add it to cvs, if you conclude it is ok? |
| 17:59:29 | Tomas|laptop | XShocK: I'm almost sertain it takes longer on mine... |
| 17:59:33 | Tomas|laptop | s=c |
| 17:59:48 | preglow | Patr3ck: i might, just not right now |
| 17:59:58 | XShocK | preglow: i will try to. |
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| 18:00:08 | preglow | great |
| 18:00:14 | Patr3ck | preglow: no problem just wanted to make sure it is not forgotten |
| 18:00:21 | preglow | Patr3ck: i'll have a look at it in half an hours time |
| 18:00:50 | Patr3ck | preglow: thanks |
| 18:01:23 | Tomas|laptop | XShocK: in iRiver firmware... loading an audio book (sive > 500 mb) it run's disk for 42 seconds |
| 18:02:13 | Tomas|laptop | so about 30/42 mb/s |
| 18:03:30 | XShocK | 51-33=18 seconds, it was a 80mb audio file. |
| 18:05:00 | XShocK | it depends, but still i am quite sure that it fill the whole 30 mb buffer. and if it does in in about 20 seconds, it is 1.5 mb/sec, while rockbox now performs much less than that... |
| 18:05:03 | Tomas|laptop | strange... time to find a Fat32 defragment tool for linux... |
| 18:05:17 | Tomas|laptop | mine is much slower... |
| 18:05:24 | Tomas|laptop | doing 0,75 mb/sec |
| 18:05:49 | XShocK | maybe it is full of data? |
| 18:05:57 | Tomas|laptop | yes it is... |
| 18:06:12 | Tomas|laptop | well.. full.. 10 gb used |
| 18:06:17 | XShocK | i have something like 4 gigs left, and once put i almost never deleted stuff. |
| 18:06:32 | XShocK | out of 20. |
| 18:07:28 | Tomas|laptop | I have 8 gig left.. also a 20 gig model |
| 18:08:12 | Tomas|laptop | but i think mine is more fragmented then... I deleted and moved a lot of things when testing a few scripts last week |
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| 18:09:38 | Tang | Hi Rockbox |
| 18:09:40 | Tang | :) |
| 18:09:53 | Tomas|laptop | lo |
| 18:10:22 | Tang | Hi Thomas |
| 18:10:23 | Tang | :) |
| 18:10:25 | muesli- | hi Tang :) |
| 18:10:35 | Tomas|laptop | *kuch* H? |
| 18:10:36 | Tang | Hi Muesli |
| 18:10:37 | Tang | :) |
| 18:10:39 | XShocK | Hi |
| 18:10:45 | Tang | Hi everyone |
| 18:10:47 | Tang | :) |
| 18:13:07 | _Lucretia_ | anyone know about the hirose type connectors? Do they enforce a particular communication (e.g. parallel/serial)? |
| 18:13:10 | Tang | Anyone can tell me if something is normal with Rbx? |
| 18:15:20 | Tomas|laptop | what Tang? |
| 18:15:23 | Tang | I've changed my iHP remote for an iMP one recently |
| 18:15:33 | Tang | and i've installed Rbx two days ago |
| 18:15:42 | XShocK | _Lucretia_: isn't it a company? not the type of connector |
| 18:15:53 | Tang | When i push iHP play it boot on Rbx okay |
| 18:16:12 | Tang | but with the remote "play button" i've two cases |
| 18:16:23 | Tang | with a long push it start iRiver fw |
| 18:16:42 | Tang | and with short push (on the remote play button) |
| 18:16:48 | Tang | it load Rbx fw |
| 18:16:53 | Tang | is it normal? |
| 18:17:09 | Tomas|laptop | no idea... |
| 18:17:18 | Tomas|laptop | I tought Rbx didn't support the remote jet... |
| 18:17:19 | Tang | i thought the remote |
| 18:17:30 | Tang | was to load only iRiver fw |
| 18:17:33 | Tang | :( |
| 18:17:40 | Tang | Quite strange no? |
| 18:17:51 | Tomas|laptop | well.. I think i can explain... |
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| 18:18:21 | Tomas|laptop | a short push only activates the device... but when the bootloader load's, you have already released the key... so there is no way for rbx to tell how it was started |
| 18:18:38 | Tomas|laptop | and so it thinks it was normally started.. and starts rbx? |
| 18:18:54 | Tomas|laptop | (somebdoy correct me if I'm wrong) |
| 18:19:04 | preglow | Tomas|laptop: hmm, you'd have to release it _Very_ fast |
| 18:19:04 | Chamois | you're true |
| 18:19:22 | Tomas|laptop | preglow: maybe Tang is very fsat? |
| 18:19:25 | Tomas|laptop | *fast |
| 18:19:26 | preglow | perhaps |
| 18:19:40 | Tomas|laptop | where in the boot process is the key check located? |
| 18:19:41 | Chamois | LinusN knows this problem |
| 18:19:44 | Chamois | and will correct it |
| 18:19:46 | Tomas|laptop | ok |
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| 18:19:54 | Tang | hum strange |
| 18:20:00 | Chamois | hi Tang ;-) |
| 18:20:02 | Tang | $hi preglow and Chamois |
| 18:20:09 | sox | bagder: there's one place where you havent changed the makefile: |
| 18:20:10 | sox | make[2]: Entering directory `/Users/svante/rockbox/rockbox-devel/apps/plugins' |
| 18:20:10 | sox | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `#pragma', needed by `/Users/svante/rockbox/rockbox-devel/build/dep-plugins'. Stop. |
| 18:20:29 | Tang | okay i was quite surprised since i read nothing about this |
| 18:20:53 | Tang | Anyway |
| 18:21:03 | Tomas|laptop | Tang? what kind of remote did you have before? |
| 18:21:10 | Tang | i thought it was a normal procedure |
| 18:21:10 | Chamois | in the IRC log two weeks go |
| 18:21:17 | Tomas|laptop | I just checked a picture of the imp remote... that's the default one in Holland... |
| 18:21:19 | Tang | i owned the original iHP1xx remote |
| 18:21:24 | Tang | but i broke it |
| 18:21:33 | Tang | so i had to purchase another one |
| 18:21:34 | Tomas|laptop | In holland the imp is the original... |
| 18:21:48 | Tomas|laptop | http://www.mp3man.nl/images/product/image.php?id=6841 |
| 18:21:50 | Tang | and i only found iMP550 one in France (at low price) |
| 18:21:50 | Tomas|laptop | that one |
| 18:21:52 | _Lucretia_ | XShocK: dunno, I'm following links here :-| |
| 18:22:19 | Tang | okay that's the old mine (thought mine is champaign since i own an iHP120) |
| 18:22:30 | Tomas|laptop | yeah, mine too... |
| 18:22:42 | Tang | Now i use an iMP550 one but it's said to be fully compatible |
| 18:22:50 | Tang | and it work very safe |
| 18:23:01 | Tomas|laptop | yeah, this one is advertised as an iMP550 one :) |
| 18:23:06 | Tang | just the strange process i said about fw loading |
| 18:23:20 | Tang | but in fact it didn't annoy me |
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| 18:23:52 | Tang | i didn't understood very quick what make the remote start Tbx or iRiver |
| 18:24:18 | Tang | Now it's okay and for me the actual process is even more practical |
| 18:24:36 | Tang | just wanted to check if it was normal or not |
| 18:24:38 | Tang | :) |
| 18:24:57 | Tomas|laptop | maybe it would even be smart to make this default... long push (whatever on button you use) is iriver, short one is rbx |
| 18:25:16 | Tomas|laptop | so you have to hold the key for 2 seconds for iRiver or something... |
| 18:26:53 | XShocK | preglow: did you check how disabling the writing to a disk would affect the performance of FLAC? |
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| 18:31:50 | preglow | XShocK: no |
| 18:31:57 | preglow | XShocK: my guess is: quite dramatically |
| 18:32:03 | preglow | we'll see |
| 18:32:11 | preglow | i'm working on other stuff right now |
| 18:33:48 | XShocK | mmmm.. 200% is awsome... :))) |
| 18:35:11 | preglow | yes, and there lots more to do |
| 18:35:24 | preglow | flac is already almost 175% |
| 18:35:34 | preglow | at least on my file |
| 18:35:37 | preglow | it varies drastically |
| 18:38:21 | jyp | Has sound been committed yet ? |
| 18:39:09 | preglow | no |
| 18:39:14 | jyp | ko |
| 18:39:15 | jyp | ok |
| 18:39:29 | preglow | knockout! |
| 18:39:36 | jyp | :) |
| 18:39:53 | jyp | btw, good job preglow ;) |
| 18:39:54 | Tang | i tried flac on my iHP |
| 18:39:59 | Tang | and i got only 13% |
| 18:40:05 | preglow | jyp: i didn't do much |
| 18:40:09 | Tang | due to CPU freq? |
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| 18:40:23 | preglow | Tang: if you didn't clock it up, then yes, because of that |
| 18:40:39 | Tang | okay thanks |
| 18:40:40 | * | Tomas|laptop is away: eating |
| 18:40:42 | Tang | what i thought$ |
| 18:40:45 | jyp | preglow: All the better ;P |
| 18:40:55 | preglow | Tang: Info->Debug->View I/O ports then press up, and it'll run at 120 mhz |
| 18:41:19 | jyp | ... it would mean that I haven't much to do for the gmini either |
| 18:41:27 | Tang | Okay in fact i'read something about recently |
| 18:41:40 | Tang | but i hadn't Net connection to check yesterday |
| 18:41:42 | Tang | ;) |
| 18:43:27 | preglow | jyp: oh, you've got your hands full, alright :D |
| 18:48:42 | preglow | can anyone think of a reason to have a plugin accept all file types? |
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| 18:52:50 | preglow | XShocK: one file is 260% realtime with flac then |
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| 19:00:07 | stevenm | What are the keybindings for the Simulator ? |
| 19:00:29 | stevenm | or where can I read about them |
| 19:01:12 | preglow | they're printet at start up here |
| 19:01:56 | stevenm | aah ok, thank you |
| 19:02:04 | preglow | that's the x11 sim |
| 19:02:15 | stevenm | yea |
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| 19:06:49 | XShocK | preglow: cool. :) |
| 19:07:04 | preglow | flac isn't as optimised as libmad yet |
| 19:07:31 | preglow | but ok, no one here against the idea that Open With menu should only list plugins capable of handling the current file type? |
| 19:07:38 | preglow | i'll commit patr3ck's patch, then |
| 19:07:39 | XShocK | interesting... how does it do without frequency boost? |
| 19:08:31 | preglow | XShocK: on one file, exactly 100% realtime |
| 19:08:47 | preglow | XShocK: i can easily push it below that |
| 19:08:51 | preglow | above, i mean |
| 19:08:59 | XShocK | hehe.. and it is not optimized.. |
| 19:09:01 | XShocK | :) |
| 19:09:07 | preglow | one part of it is |
| 19:09:22 | preglow | i've written lpc reconstruction routine in asm |
| 19:11:59 | amiconn | preglow: Do you still think about converting the mpegdec asm version to coldfire/gas syntax? If yes, maybe this is helpful: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/mot2as/ |
| 19:12:28 | preglow | amiconn: i'm really not thinking about it, no, but i'll have a look at it |
| 19:16:27 | Tomas|laptop | preglow: aren't there plugins like a favorite list and things like that wich will accept all files? |
| 19:16:46 | preglow | Tomas|laptop: yes, that's why i asked |
| 19:16:50 | preglow | someone'll have to fix that, then |
| 19:17:04 | preglow | those plugins should have a special extension |
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| 19:17:19 | amiconn | preglow: 'open with' should offer some plugins for all file types (even non-recognised ones), e.g. the text viewer |
| 19:17:39 | preglow | amiconn: how do you propose to implement that? |
| 19:18:33 | amiconn | I did not yet think about that. I only want to mention it in case someone is going to implement plugin handling depending on file type in the 'open with' menu |
| 19:18:45 | preglow | i've already commited it |
| 19:18:49 | preglow | the old behaviour was broken |
| 19:18:55 | amiconn | ?? |
| 19:18:56 | preglow | it listed stuff several times |
| 19:19:11 | amiconn | Yes... but that's a different problem. |
| 19:19:15 | preglow | like, i'd get one mpa2wav entry for 'mp3', and one for 'mp2' |
| 19:19:28 | preglow | which is really ugly |
| 19:20:00 | amiconn | Actually, offering all viewer plugins for 'open with' is the intended behaviour. If you just want the default action for the file, you simply play it. |
| 19:20:49 | preglow | well, ok, then i'll have to revert that patch |
| 19:21:00 | preglow | but having several plugin entries is really ugly, imho |
| 19:21:36 | amiconn | Yes... the new behaviour should be reverted, but a fix for the duplicate plugin names is still needed |
| 19:21:47 | preglow | you can risk having mpa2wav listed three times |
| 19:21:49 | Tang | lol indeed |
| 19:21:55 | Tang | noticed that too |
| 19:21:57 | Tang | :D |
| 19:22:53 | preglow | i personally think a better approach would be having just some plugins accept all files, and let those plugins have a special file extension entry in viewers.config |
| 19:23:06 | preglow | but ok, how to revert a commit? do i need to just reverse the patch and commit again? |
| 19:23:12 | amiconn | yup |
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| 19:25:20 | Tomas|laptop | eh.. |
| 19:25:24 | Tomas|laptop | preglow? |
| 19:25:35 | Tomas|laptop | maybe you can put your patch in optional somewhere? |
| 19:25:53 | preglow | well, how? |
| 19:26:01 | preglow | it's not my patch |
| 19:26:10 | preglow | so i don't really want to spend a ton of time on it |
| 19:26:12 | Tomas|laptop | I personally think your way is much easier... and I don't want for example a textviewer or a mp3 split tool to show up for a wma file |
| 19:26:19 | Tang | About the main display |
| 19:26:37 | Tang | it's normal to see nothing in play mode for now? |
| 19:27:25 | preglow | yes, i imagine this would be a fine setting |
| 19:27:47 | preglow | i don't really want a text viewer listed on an mp3 file either |
| 19:28:38 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, but text files may have almost any extension, or even no extension at all. I want to be able to view all of them |
| 19:29:32 | Tomas|laptop | maybe a simple compromise? check if a file extension is listed for some plugin, then display only those, and the all-extension plugins |
| 19:29:38 | amiconn | In fact, this may also happen for other file types, and you simply can't associate all possible extensions. |
| 19:29:54 | preglow | amiconn: yes, i agree in that particular case |
| 19:29:56 | Tomas|laptop | and if no plugin is defined for a filetype then use some list of show-when-unknown plugins? |
| 19:30:02 | preglow | amiconn: but having a flac file called something.mp3 doesn't make sense |
| 19:30:03 | amiconn | ANother example: JPEGS may have .jpg .jpeg, .jpe, .jff, .jfif |
| 19:30:21 | Tomas|laptop | but only .jpg and .jpeg are used commonly |
| 19:30:32 | preglow | yes, but they should be supported |
| 19:30:46 | Tomas|laptop | well.. then my compromise is working? |
| 19:30:50 | preglow | i think it would be a good optional thing anyway |
| 19:30:58 | Tomas|laptop | add all possible jpeg extensions to the jpeg plugin? |
| 19:31:04 | amiconn | Tomas|laptop: Yes, and that's why displaying all viewer plugins in 'open with' is useful |
| 19:31:07 | preglow | Tomas|laptop: currently, that's not possible |
| 19:31:50 | Tomas|laptop | maybe we can make it a configuration option? to show only registerd or to show all? |
| 19:31:58 | amiconn | The way viewers.config works currently is far from optimal for plugins that are listed several times. |
| 19:32:30 | preglow | i think an extension list for each would be great |
| 19:32:43 | preglow | and extension * for plugins that match all extensions |
| 19:32:51 | amiconn | All info is registered n times, even the info that is identical. Plugin name, icon, and extension (which of course is different) |
| 19:33:20 | preglow | and an option for switching on/off listing of only relevant plugins |
| 19:33:24 | amiconn | ...and the buffer space is limited, and should not be extended too far without reason. |
| 19:33:43 | Tomas|laptop | well preglow's idea sounds useful? |
| 19:33:45 | Tomas|laptop | something like: |
| 19:34:09 | Tomas|laptop | [plugin name] [info] [extensionlist like: a; ab; jpg; mp3] |
| 19:34:15 | preglow | my idea would probably be cancelled out by the extra needed code to parse the file, but it's more elegant |
| 19:34:25 | Tomas|laptop | and * in place of the extension list if it's for every file |
| 19:34:55 | amiconn | I'd still vote for always showing all viewer plugins in 'open with' (but every plugin only once of course). That's what 'open with' is about. Windows does it the same way (okay, that's probably not the best example) |
| 19:35:04 | Tomas|laptop | it isn't to difficult to parse a a; ab; sdf; sdf list... |
| 19:35:24 | Tomas|laptop | amiconn: windows XP does it a different way now... |
| 19:35:40 | Tomas|laptop | it shows the programs you use for that filetype... and an select others option |
| 19:35:42 | amiconn | WinXP is what I'm using... |
| 19:36:19 | Tomas|laptop | never noticed it display's the used programs in a context menu? and the option to open the full list when your program isn't in there? |
| 19:36:58 | amiconn | If I select the generic 'open with..' it always show all registered programs. Okay, it offers an additional 'open with' sub-menu in the context menu, where it shows only those programs I already used once for that file type |
| 19:37:24 | amiconn | ...but that one I almost never use |
| 19:37:49 | Tomas|laptop | ok.. well I alway's used that... |
| 19:38:30 | amiconn | The programs I want to use when I do 'open with' are most likely not yet present in that sub-menu, that's the reason |
| 19:38:31 | Tomas|laptop | gnome does the same here... |
| 19:38:58 | Tomas|laptop | gives some program's it thinks you want... and an extra option to get a list of everything... |
| 19:39:42 | amiconn | I generally dislike it when the os tries too hard to guess what I want. |
| 19:39:46 | preglow | yes, indeed |
| 19:40:03 | preglow | it always fails miserably |
| 19:40:10 | amiconn | Most of the time, yes |
| 19:40:12 | preglow | more often it just plain forgets what i usually use |
| 19:41:50 | Tomas|laptop | windows users :P |
| 19:50:12 | | Part amiconn |
| 19:50:32 | XShocK | i think the best choice will be to add line for "*" files in viewer.conf, and also have an option in setting for showing all possibilities. |
| 19:51:58 | XShocK | and also the format of current viewer.conf should be changed to someting like Tomas proposed with several extensions |
| 19:52:18 | preglow | yes |
| 19:52:21 | preglow | that would be best |
| 19:52:30 | preglow | someone code support for it :P |
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| 19:52:41 | Tomas|laptop | well i can try.. |
| 19:52:49 | Tomas|laptop | but what exactly is needed? and where? |
| 19:52:51 | preglow | the * support is not really needed right now |
| 19:52:53 | preglow | since there's no option |
| 19:53:22 | Tomas|laptop | So a simple check function? wich returns al plugin's having a given extension? |
| 19:53:31 | Tomas|laptop | *all |
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| 19:55:04 | preglow | Tomas|laptop: i'd say support for a extension list in the plugin struct |
| 19:55:14 | preglow | Tomas|laptop: and code to parse the extension list in viewers.config |
| 19:55:24 | preglow | Tomas|laptop: then change onplay.c to support it |
| 19:55:28 | preglow | it'll be a bit of work |
| 19:55:40 | Tomas|laptop | ok, then i need a little help |
| 19:56:01 | Tomas|laptop | I just started reading things about rockbox this morning.. |
| 19:56:09 | preglow | i have none to offer right now |
| 19:56:17 | Tomas|laptop | am i allowed to use an array in that struct? |
| 19:56:27 | Tomas|laptop | of.. say.. 10 extensions? |
| 19:56:45 | Tomas|laptop | then parse the first 10 extensions in viewers.conf and put them in the array? |
| 19:56:57 | Tomas|laptop | and edit onplay.c to loop throug the array? |
| 19:57:55 | preglow | a linked list would be better, i think |
| 19:58:00 | preglow | so we don't waste space |
| 19:58:30 | preglow | apart from that, it sounds good |
| 19:58:40 | preglow | put you must never waste space, use exactly what's needed |
| 19:58:47 | preglow | there's very little ram on the archos players |
| 19:58:58 | Tomas|laptop | ok.. I don't think this is gonna work in a few minutes... but I'm going to try |
| 19:59:03 | preglow | of course not |
| 19:59:06 | preglow | take your time |
| 19:59:20 | Tomas|laptop | yeah, first have to ready some of the code.. |
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| 20:01:27 | preglow | filetypes.c is more important, btw |
| 20:01:31 | preglow | onplay.c has nearly no needed code |
| 20:02:15 | Tomas|laptop | ok, do you know someone who helped writing the old system? |
| 20:02:31 | Tomas|laptop | I think I'm gonna need some support some times :) |
| 20:03:07 | preglow | i have no idea who wrote it |
| 20:03:26 | Tomas|laptop | well... I'll just scream here if I can't find something.. |
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| 20:11:35 | Tomas|laptop | preglow? When i use your linked list idea I should use a struct containing a string and a pointer to the next struct right? |
| 20:12:01 | Tomas|laptop | and that as a part of the plugin struct? |
| 20:12:13 | Tomas|laptop | filled with the extensions for that plugin? |
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| 20:28:23 | Tomas|laptop | *oops |
| 20:28:32 | Tomas|laptop | wrong button... |
| 20:29:47 | Tomas|laptop | ARG |
| 20:29:48 | Tomas|laptop | calculator.c:1072: internal compiler error: in reload_cse_simplify_operands, at reload1.c:8365 |
| 20:30:10 | markun | preglow: I wanted to move some of the mdct functions of Tremor to icode. I now get 'IllInstr' at mdct_backward. What should I do to move code to iram? |
| 20:30:47 | preglow | markun: have you copied the code in question to iram? |
| 20:31:04 | preglow | if not, have a look at the memcpy in mpa2wav that does that |
| 20:31:15 | markun | preglow: ok, I'll take a look at it. |
| 20:36:00 | markun | preglow: Just moving the mdct functions to iram doesn't give a speed improvement. |
| 20:36:53 | preglow | markun: no surprise |
| 20:37:12 | preglow | markun: there should be a small difference, but the greatest gain is found in just optimizing code and placing data in iram |
| 20:37:17 | preglow | markun: there already is a code cache |
| 20:37:37 | markun | I placed the data in mdct_lookup.h into idata |
| 20:38:01 | preglow | that should have yielded a improvement |
| 20:39:19 | markun | wait, it does improve! |
| 20:39:23 | markun | Didn't reboot.. |
| 20:39:48 | markun | I get 71% real-time with a q 3 ogg file. |
| 20:40:05 | markun | I've disabled output to vorbistest.wav and disabled the printing in malloc. |
| 20:41:31 | markun | 72% now. If I have time for it this week I would like to start on implementing the mdct with prerotation+fft+postrotation. |
| 20:42:34 | preglow | you certain are you that will yield a gain? |
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| 20:42:44 | preglow | is there a good coldfire fft available? |
| 20:43:44 | markun | There is the 1024 points ref.. I will try to start from there. |
| 20:44:25 | preglow | it should be modifyable |
| 20:44:32 | markun | Did you read the master thesis of the guys who optimized Tremor to run on a DSP? |
| 20:44:35 | preglow | most larger ffts are iteratively based on smaller ffts |
| 20:44:38 | preglow | no |
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| 20:45:08 | markun | It's very interesting. The initial test file decoded in 27 seconds. After optimizing in 8. |
| 20:45:33 | markun | http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/thesis.pdf |
| 20:45:42 | preglow | i haven't got time to read it now |
| 20:45:58 | markun | Maybe you can bookmark it and have a look at it later. |
| 20:46:33 | markun | They made a patch for Tremor low-mem, but it's not available anymore. |
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| 21:14:08 | CoCoLUS | libflac is way > 100%, isn't it? |
| 21:16:50 | preglow | yes |
| 21:21:12 | Bonkers | flac is faster than ogg or it's just been more optimized by now? |
| 21:22:16 | preglow | well, it's not that computationally intensive from the start |
| 21:22:26 | preglow | i've only done one opt in libflac |
| 21:22:44 | Bonkers | somehow xmms likes to take a large chunk of cpu when playing flacs occasionally |
| 21:22:51 | CoCoLUS | all we need is the sound arch. :) |
| 21:22:51 | Bonkers | that's the only reason I ask |
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| 21:32:50 | Tomas|laptop | ok.. stupid question.. |
| 21:33:00 | Tomas|laptop | how do I install rockbox on the simulator? |
| 21:33:23 | Tomas|laptop | I have a build folder.. (iRiver build) but what do I copy when I want to run the simulator? |
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| 21:39:45 | Tomas|laptop | *kuch* really stupid *kuch* .. I have it :) copy the build folder.. |
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| 21:47:25 | Tomas|laptop | anybody has an example viewers.conf for me? |
| 21:47:55 | Tomas|laptop | it should be here: /.rockbox/viewers.config |
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| 21:49:35 | markun | You can do 'make zip' in your build folder. This gives you a rockbox.zip which you can unzip in the archos folder. |
| 21:49:55 | markun | It includes viewers.config |
| 21:50:05 | Tomas|laptop | ok |
| 21:50:44 | Tomas|laptop | eh.. I have iRiver build options in use:) |
| 21:50:50 | Tomas|laptop | so it doesn't make zip.. |
| 21:50:58 | Tomas|laptop | do you know the format of viewers.config ? |
| 21:51:43 | preglow | viewers.config is in plugins/ |
| 21:52:46 | Tomas|laptop | tnx |
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| 22:01:22 | Tang | Heyey |
| 22:01:55 | Tang | i've jsut installed Rockboy with greylevel thanks to Chamois (who gave me some links) |
| 22:02:05 | Tang | it's quite cool |
| 22:02:14 | Tang | seems to be real time ;) |
| 22:02:22 | Tang | (with Mario) |
| 22:03:15 | Tomas|laptop | have you tried game boy color roms? |
| 22:03:29 | CoCoLUS | they are working |
| 22:03:42 | CoCoLUS | but... you know... its not like the iriver display has colors :P |
| 22:03:53 | Tomas|laptop | no, that's not the problem ;) |
| 22:03:57 | preglow | anyone know if plugins use the main stack? |
| 22:03:58 | Tomas|laptop | I only want the rom's to work |
| 22:04:34 | preglow | well, yes, of course they do |
| 22:04:51 | CoCoLUS | most of the color roms include the color aspect somewhere in the gameplay |
| 22:05:00 | CoCoLUS | which makes them somewhat unplayable :) |
| 22:05:12 | CoCoLUS | just look at the color dungeon in zelda dx... |
| 22:05:40 | Tomas|laptop | yeah, but for some games there is a non color and a color version.. and I have only a color rom.. |
| 22:05:55 | Tomas|laptop | and it's not a problem to not see the color of a pokemon ;) |
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| 22:18:11 | * | Tomas|laptop is leaving... Have to work tomorrow :( |
| 22:18:12 | Tomas|laptop | bye |
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| 22:34:40 | Soul_Eater | so whats new with the project |
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| 22:44:23 | DeadMan | more games ;) |
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| 22:52:34 | Soul_Eater | haha oh really? |
| 22:52:39 | Soul_Eater | We got Legend of Zelda goin yet? |
| 22:53:25 | HCl | yea |
| 22:53:28 | DMJC | how's sound going? |
| 22:53:55 | Soul_Eater | tight. LoZ uses alot of controls. I wonder how the hell that works on the iriver |
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| 22:54:16 | HCl | not well. |
| 22:55:39 | Tang | :) |
| 22:55:44 | Tang | I leave the place |
| 22:55:48 | Tang | bye erveryone |
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| 23:03:09 | amiconn | Hrmpf. |
| 23:03:36 | amiconn | The x11 sim now locks up after some time, and it's definitely not the x11 mt problem :( |
| 23:03:50 | Soul_Eater | haha |
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| 23:06:39 | preglow | amiconn: how long a time? |
| 23:07:16 | amiconn | Well, it happens when a scrolling line is displayed, and depending on the scroll speed 'some time' ranges from seconds to minutes |
| 23:07:23 | preglow | XShocK: does the codec eat data in big endian format? |
| 23:10:16 | HCl | CoCoLUS: actuall, cgb roms have a backwards compatibility mode that should make them play fine on a grayscale gameboy too. |
| 23:10:39 | HCl | its just that gnuboy has a palette bug that causes it to have wrong palettes at times. |
| 23:10:44 | HCl | its on the tofix list. |
| 23:11:09 | HCl | unfortunately, in order to be able to fix it, you have to traverse and understand that horrid ugly goo of code they wrote. |
| 23:12:26 | Soul_Eater | Gnuboy can save games right? Does it save them directly to a directory on the hd? |
| 23:18:46 | XShocK | was out for a while. |
| 23:18:56 | XShocK | what codec? |
| 23:19:07 | XShocK | you mean the DAC ? |
| 23:19:45 | XShocK | yes, DAC takes big-endian, i had to byte-swap the data from WAV to get it working |
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| 23:22:31 | amiconn | preglow: What also happens - as soon as the x11 sim hangs, it starts to consume all available cpu time. |
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| 23:24:46 | nobby | does anyone have a copy rockbox for iriver with the greyscale patch and rockboy, and could they send me it? I have the bootloader allready flashed |
| 23:25:12 | preglow | amiconn: "interesting" |
| 23:25:27 | preglow | XShocK: goodie |
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| 23:40:34 | nobby | does anyone have a copy rockbox for iriver with the greyscale patch and rockboy, and could they send me it? I have the bootloader allready flashed |
| 23:42:45 | Soul_Eater | technically, could the rockbox ihp1xx series firmware run on an h3xx or not |
| 23:42:53 | nobby | no |
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| 23:43:02 | nobby | completely different hardware |
| 23:43:23 | Bagder | not "completely" different, but different enough |
| 23:43:59 | Soul_Eater | different like more advanced? |
| 23:44:00 | nobby | whats the similarities? they both have stereo minijacks for headphones? :P |
| 23:44:13 | Bagder | the same CPU for example |
| 23:44:24 | nobby | is it? i thought it was different |
| 23:44:47 | preglow | would not be surprised to learn the codec chip is the same either |
| 23:44:48 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents |
| 23:45:21 | Bagder | preglow: indeed the same |
| 23:46:22 | Bagder | the same FM tuner |
| 23:47:24 | preglow | anyone know what the usb host controller is? |
| 23:47:41 | preglow | motorola has issued a data sheet on how to make the mcd5249 work well with a specific phillips chip |
| 23:47:46 | Bagder | it isn't listed on the wiki page |
| 23:47:56 | preglow | so wouldn't surprise me if that's it |
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| 23:55:57 | muesli- | g'night ladiez |
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