| 00:02:58 | HenrikB | preglow, amiconn I've fixed the double entry problem in "open with", but I'm going to bed now so I will not commit until tommorow after get home. |
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| 00:03:23 | preglow | nice |
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| 00:09:46 | HCl | has anyone made any attempts at modplug codecs and such? |
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| 00:12:59 | preglow | HCl: no, i see there's a new suggestion for a lib in the wiki now |
| 00:13:09 | HCl | dumb? |
| 00:13:31 | HCl | or? |
| 00:13:31 | preglow | yes |
| 00:13:33 | HCl | ah. |
| 00:13:34 | HCl | ok. |
| 00:13:47 | HCl | i think i might take a look at it, emphasis on might |
| 00:13:58 | HCl | anyone who wants to take a look at it too should still go ahead |
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| 00:15:30 | HCl | it'd be sweet if we would be able to get them to work |
| 00:15:34 | jpburton5150 | hmm... so i just compiled rockboy... with the grayscale patch... and everything takes up half the screen... |
| 00:15:39 | jpburton5150 | dont know if thats a known bug... |
| 00:15:44 | jpburton5150 | buts its interesting |
| 00:15:44 | HCl | yes |
| 00:15:53 | HCl | you need to enable the -DGRAYSCALE comment |
| 00:15:56 | HCl | in rockboy's makefile |
| 00:16:01 | jpburton5150 | ah alrighty... |
| 00:16:05 | jpburton5150 | thanks... |
| 00:16:11 | HCl | np |
| 00:16:12 | HCl | either way |
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| 00:16:15 | HCl | there's a precompiled version |
| 00:16:18 | HCl | darn |
| 00:16:20 | HCl | he left o.o |
| 00:16:22 | HCl | people are so impatient |
| 00:16:44 | HenrikB | amiconn, After my double entry fix there will be no waste of memory in filetypes.c, all strings from viewers.config will be stored only once |
| 00:17:06 | amiconn_ | That's nice :) |
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| 00:17:59 | amiconn | Does that imply that there will be the same icon for all extensions, or can you have different icons per extension for the same plugin? |
| 00:19:14 | Bagder | the icon should be per extension |
| 00:19:23 | Bagder | imho |
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| 00:19:44 | preglow | when would you need that? |
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| 00:46:06 | stevenm | what's with all the people quitting ? |
| 00:46:13 | preglow | dunno |
| 00:46:15 | Rick | netsplit |
| 00:46:20 | stevenm | hah |
| 00:46:25 | preglow | oh, that |
| 00:46:33 | preglow | irssi |
| 00:46:36 | preglow | hides that from me |
| 00:46:38 | Rick | hehe |
| 00:46:45 | Rick | surely it notifies you? |
| 00:46:46 | stevenm | here you can tell when there's a power outage in one of the buildings by looking at your AIM client |
| 00:46:50 | preglow | Rick: yes, but just one line :P |
| 00:46:59 | preglow | but i need to get up soon |
| 00:47:01 | preglow | so good night |
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| 00:51:02 | Rick | whoa |
| 00:51:03 | Rick | wtf |
| 00:51:07 | Rick | I just reset my iriver |
| 00:51:12 | Rick | and it booted the original firmware instead |
| 00:51:25 | HCl | it does that when it didn't manage to reset the cookie. |
| 00:51:30 | Rick | ah |
| 00:51:31 | Bonkers | maybe it was longing to play music? |
| 00:51:35 | Rick | hehe |
| 00:51:37 | HCl | its a security feature |
| 00:51:42 | Rick | cool ;P |
| 00:51:57 | HCl | to prevent unrecoverable loops of bad rockbox images |
| 00:52:23 | stevenm | that's smart |
| 00:52:53 | Rick | Nice |
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| 00:59:03 | Soul_Eater | i think it'd be cool to get an iRiver linux |
| 00:59:24 | coob | podzilla running on iriver would be neat :) |
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| 01:00:08 | Bagder | Soul_Eater: so start working, all info on the hw is present |
| 01:00:25 | NJoin | Nibbler [0] (~sven@port-195-158-163-26.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 01:00:42 | Bagder | personally, I don't see the point in putting linux on everything |
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| 01:01:54 | Soul_Eater | I have no idea how or I would |
| 01:02:04 | Soul_Eater | not a hw kinda guy |
| 01:03:06 | Bagder | linux is sw ;-P |
| 01:04:03 | HCl | i really don't see the point of linux either. |
| 01:04:41 | Bagder | sleep time |
| 01:04:45 | Soul_Eater | i figured in it can be done for the ipod why not the iriver |
| 01:04:48 | HCl | my thought exactly |
| 01:04:48 | Soul_Eater | if* |
| 01:04:56 | Strath | too much overhead if you are not using it |
| 01:04:59 | HCl | soul, it can be done, there's just not any point in it. |
| 01:05:16 | Bagder | of course it can, all info is already gathered |
| 01:05:35 | Bagder | its just a matter of writing the drivers for linux instead of rockbox |
| 01:05:52 | condor9 | I have a rockbox/rombox flashing question ... can anyone help? |
| 01:06:06 | * | Bagder goes to bed |
| 01:06:08 | Patr3ck | damn, my "open with" patch was not really helpfull |
| 01:06:22 | Rick | linux on the rockbox indeed would be pointless |
| 01:06:24 | Rick | er |
| 01:06:25 | Rick | iriver |
| 01:06:25 | Rick | ;P |
| 01:06:53 | Strath | heh |
| 01:07:10 | Soul_Eater | heh |
| 01:07:21 | Strath | linux rock plugin,like cygrock? ;) |
| 01:09:37 | condor9 | I built 2.4 stable, copied the rocks dir w/the rockbox_flash.rock but when I play rockbox.ucl or rombox.ucl nothing happens. |
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| 01:11:01 | condor9 | Any ideas? |
| 01:11:11 | Rick | condor9: which box? |
| 01:11:33 | condor9 | v1 recorder |
| 01:12:56 | condor9 | the firmware_flash went fine ... just can't flash rockbox/rombox. :( |
| 01:14:36 | condor9 | I checked the message archives, faq, etc. but I didn't find anything that really helped. |
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| 01:22:00 | amiconn | condor9: You need a full install with everything in the right place. rockbox_flash.rock is a viewer, so it goes into /.rockbox/viewers instead of /.rockbox/rocks, and you need viewers.config in /.rockbox |
| 01:22:33 | amiconn | The easiest way if you build your self is to 'make zip' after 'make', then unzip the archive to the root of your archos |
| 01:23:32 | condor9 | amiconn: Yeah, I did that ... when I make zip it doesn't copy any of the rocks to the zip file. |
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| 01:24:03 | condor9 | amiconn: btw, in case you didn't see my previous post ... your suggestion for altering the partition table worked. thank you. |
| 01:24:19 | amiconn | It should... if it doesn't, I have no idea why though |
| 01:24:38 | amiconn | Saw that; nice that it works for you now :) |
| 01:25:07 | condor9 | amiconn: ok, so rockbox_flash.rock goes into viewers ... do I need to configure viewers.conf? |
| 01:25:11 | condor9 | conf=config |
| 01:26:25 | condor9 | My viewers.config is empty. |
| 01:26:59 | amiconn | If it's not already there, you can copy the source viewers.config verbatim. viewers.config is processed while 'make zip', but this is only to remove unneeded entries |
| 01:27:47 | condor9 | Ahh... from apps/plugins |
| 01:27:58 | condor9 | Ok, thanks. I'll try that. |
| 01:28:57 | condor9 | If it's a .rock why doesn't it go in rocks? Just curious. |
| 01:29:13 | coob | don't put all your rocks in one basket! |
| 01:29:16 | * | coob not funny :/ |
| 01:29:24 | condor9 | :) |
| 01:29:27 | HCl | :p |
| 01:29:29 | amiconn | There are 2 types of rocks: ordinary rocks and viewers |
| 01:29:51 | amiconn | viewers take a parameter, which is the file they should act on |
| 01:29:59 | Bonkers | well you've certainly simplified geology quite a bit |
| 01:30:13 | amiconn | ;) |
| 01:30:15 | coob | are viewers permiable? |
| 01:30:17 | coob | :P |
| 01:30:19 | XShocK | :)) |
| 01:30:23 | condor9 | Makes sense. |
| 01:30:55 | * | amiconn nukes his changes to the x11 simulator |
| 01:34:22 | HCl | :x |
| 01:34:32 | HCl | rockboy's new button driver still not working properly on it? |
| 01:34:55 | amiconn | Nope :( |
| 01:34:55 | Soul_Eater | hmmm |
| 01:34:59 | Soul_Eater | is scandisk on XP? |
| 01:35:28 | amiconn | I'm not even able to improve on the realtime behaviour. It doesn't seem to like signals. |
| 01:36:04 | amiconn | However, I found a patch in the tracker that uses a different approach, using a separate thread to update the tick counter |
| 01:36:15 | HCl | ah.. |
| 01:36:17 | amiconn | Soul_Eater: chkdsk |
| 01:36:53 | amiconn | (or the gui disk checker from the context menu -> drive properties) |
| 01:39:05 | Soul_Eater | and to run a chkdsk on the iriver its chkdsk e:\ ? |
| 01:41:01 | Patr3ck | how many plugins are shown in open with (not including duplicates)? |
| 01:41:23 | condor9 | amiconn: That did it. Thanks for your help (again). Sorry to be so far behind the curve. :) |
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| 01:55:59 | Patr3ck | I have created another patch for the "open with" showing duplicate entries |
| 01:56:20 | Patr3ck | This one will list all plugins, but only once |
| 01:56:28 | Patr3ck | get it here http://www.steidle.net/temp-downloads/filetypes.zip |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:23 | Patr3ck | to bed now, bye |
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| 02:03:41 | * | HCl looks at ondio support for rockboy but guesses it simply does not have enough buttons |
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| 02:11:25 | amiconn | HCl: I already told you... |
| 02:11:32 | HCl | you did? |
| 02:11:35 | amiconn | yup |
| 02:11:37 | HCl | i must've forgotten.. |
| 02:11:43 | amiconn | Not enough butoons. |
| 02:11:46 | HCl | mhm. |
| 02:11:48 | amiconn | *buttons |
| 02:11:51 | stevenm | remote? |
| 02:11:55 | HCl | brb |
| 02:12:02 | amiconn | stevenm: no remote |
| 02:12:13 | stevenm | sorry, caught tail end of that |
| 02:12:15 | amiconn | Doesn't make sense for a small flash player |
| 02:12:20 | HCl | back |
| 02:12:47 | * | amiconn seems to have a working approach for x11 simulator realtime ticks now |
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| 02:15:14 | amiconn | The patch using threads didn't work correctly (time was running way too fast), but using a threads seems the right idea. |
| 02:15:40 | amiconn | I have correct seconds now, and it seems to run stable.... |
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| 02:16:15 | stevenm | I been at this way too long. If (Sampling Rate)/((Total Length)/(Release Time)) = (RelValue), then what is (Release Fraction per Sample) in terms of (RelValue) ? |
| 02:18:23 | coob | 42 |
| 02:18:48 | stevenm | You know, putting that in will probably make it sound better than what it actually is |
| 02:19:28 | HCl | that meant diddly to me.. |
| 02:23:25 | stevenm | that makes both of us :) |
| 02:25:13 | amiconn | May I ask for testing this on a linux box (perhaps other systems as *bsd too) amiconn.dyndns.org/x11rt.patch">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/x11rt.patch ? |
| 02:26:54 | HCl | meh @ flatmates who play music at 2:20 am |
| 02:27:51 | XShocK | hehe... ATA DMA works.. :) |
| 02:27:52 | amiconn | I'm interested in the following things: (1) Does it produce proper seconds? That's easily tested with the codec test plugins; they update the speed display once per second. (2) Does it run stable, even with lcd activity? Easiest is to go to the scroll speed settings, set it to 15 and leave the example scrolling for a while (some minutes) |
| 02:27:59 | HCl | XShocK: what?where? |
| 02:28:19 | XShocK | at least a very basic one. i changed drivers/ata.c so that it use DMA. |
| 02:28:23 | HCl | sweet. |
| 02:28:25 | XShocK | it works good. :) |
| 02:28:33 | XShocK | will now check how fast it is. |
| 02:28:37 | HCl | that should give nice speedups on disk accesses |
| 02:32:16 | XShocK | it works quite strange... today need to sleep. tomorrow will continue |
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| 02:33:54 | HCl | mhm. |
| 02:35:31 | XShocK | it starts rockbox. directory browse works, but when i open the file it just does not open it |
| 02:35:41 | HCl | :x |
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| 02:39:15 | stevenm | Uh-Oh.................... |
| 02:39:17 | stevenm | http://www.softjock.com/Rockbox_Jukebox_V2.htm |
| 02:39:19 | stevenm | That. |
| 02:39:35 | stevenm | Does that mean we're screwed, or not necessarily? |
| 02:39:50 | HCl | didn't we have that name first? |
| 02:40:04 | stevenm | No idea, random googling brought that up |
| 02:40:17 | XShocK | ohh damn... do plugins depend on the version of rockbox.iriver? |
| 02:40:23 | HCl | yes, they do |
| 02:40:35 | XShocK | that why they didn't start ... :( |
| 02:40:43 | XShocK | i hope.. :) |
| 02:40:43 | HCl | LMAO @ that site |
| 02:40:47 | HCl | they actually advertise |
| 02:40:52 | HCl | with "No spyware attached!" |
| 02:40:53 | HCl | XD XD |
| 02:41:02 | HCl | lmao. |
| 02:41:12 | * | Rick attaches spyware to HCl |
| 02:41:18 | HCl | ohno |
| 02:41:19 | HCl | ! |
| 02:41:22 | HCl | watch me not care :P |
| 02:41:30 | XShocK | :) |
| 02:41:31 | HCl | computer security is an illusion anyways |
| 02:42:28 | HCl | i don't understand that there are still companys |
| 02:42:33 | HCl | who live in the age of windows 3.1 |
| 02:42:42 | HCl | and think custom graphics for applications are still cool |
| 02:43:46 | Rick | hehe |
| 02:51:25 | HCl | anyways |
| 02:51:32 | HCl | time to snug my stuffed animals, and sleep |
| 02:51:34 | HCl | night |
| 02:52:01 | XShocK | night |
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| 03:11:42 | Soul_Eater | © 2000-2005, SoftJock Enterprises |
| 03:11:46 | Soul_Eater | how long have you guys been around |
| 03:12:15 | Soul_Eater | let me guess....1999 ;) right ;) right ;) ! |
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| 03:34:19 | Bonkers | doesn't mean their "rockbox" was released in 2000 |
| 03:45:48 | Soul_Eater | maybe |
| 03:47:49 | Soul_Eater | go here and type rockbox |
| 03:47:50 | Soul_Eater | http://grant.robinson.name/projects/montage-a-google/ |
| 03:49:42 | Rick | it doesnt matter |
| 03:50:00 | Rick | they are two different products |
| 03:59:42 | Bonkers | that's pretty damn cool |
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| 04:00:05 | Soul_Eater | hehe yep |
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| 04:30:09 | XShocK | hrrrrr... with my DMA it reads faster(i looks like loading of the buffer into mpa2wav gets less time), but writing... on PIO it is 90%... with my implementation of DMA it is 56%.. s |
| 04:30:36 | XShocK | that is it... i am going to sleep. tomorrow i will look on it again. |
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| 04:39:01 | XShocK | i need Linus... or someone who can tell why i am so dumb if i get twice slower speed with DMA.. |
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| 05:30:33 | Rick | mm |
| 05:30:38 | * | Rick goes to iriver site |
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| 05:32:01 | Rick | yay |
| 05:32:05 | Rick | they are still selling the remotes |
| 05:32:09 | Rick | damn |
| 05:32:12 | Rick | $35...? |
| 05:32:14 | Rick | used to be like $25 |
| 05:36:27 | Rick | geezus, what's with all the cheap auctions for iriver stuff on ebay o.O |
| 05:41:30 | Rick | eeww |
| 05:41:32 | Rick | they use UPS |
| 05:41:44 | Rick | Your order has been placed. |
| 05:41:44 | Rick | A confirmation e-mail with a printable invoice will be sent to you. |
| 05:41:45 | Rick | ;D |
| 05:41:48 | * | Rick ordered a new remote |
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| 05:47:08 | jpburton5150 | HCl: even though you went to bed... thanks... that worked :) |
| 05:47:25 | jpburton5150 | HCl: sorry for being impatient :P |
| 05:47:46 | jpburton5150 | HCl: but im assuming this precompiled version is on the original site that hosted rockboy? |
| 05:48:07 | jpburton5150 | (yeah, it is :P) |
| 05:48:13 | jpburton5150 | way to have conversations with myself... |
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| 07:17:20 | turdburglar | how's the playback progress coming along? i hear mp3 is almost 100% at 96mhz... and flac is doing just fine also? |
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| 07:41:22 | Bonkers | can it really be called playback when it doesn't make any sound? ;) |
| 07:41:40 | Bonkers | last I heard flac could decode much faster than 100% though |
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| 08:32:07 | preglow | *yawn* |
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| 08:34:37 | * | LinusN wakes up |
| 08:35:07 | Bagder | coffee anyone? |
| 08:35:09 | LinusN | sounds like an 80's adventure game |
| 08:35:12 | preglow | yes |
| 08:35:14 | preglow | loosing power |
| 08:35:16 | preglow | exit |
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| 08:35:27 | LinusN | go north |
| 08:35:34 | LinusN | pick up sword |
| 08:35:34 | Bagder | haha |
| 08:35:44 | LinusN | slay dwarf |
| 08:35:48 | Bagder | ouch |
| 08:35:56 | Bagder | oh, you didn't mean me? ;-) |
| 08:36:07 | LinusN | slay silly person |
| 08:36:44 | LinusN | taunt silly knight a second time |
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| 08:39:40 | Rick | hmm |
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| 08:39:46 | Rick | LinusN: you took your h120 apart right? |
| 08:39:58 | LinusN | oh yes |
| 08:40:14 | Rick | LinusN: the pictures on the rockbox pages don't give a picture of the bottom without the bottom part of the case on |
| 08:40:31 | Rick | I semi-damaged my reset button, was wondering what it is |
| 08:40:36 | Rick | like, a piece of plastic? or what |
| 08:40:47 | Rick | (I 'popped it' out of place) |
| 08:40:51 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverInfo |
| 08:40:58 | Rick | yeah, but it only gives a picture from the top |
| 08:41:04 | Rick | you can't see the actual button |
| 08:41:45 | LinusN | i see the button |
| 08:41:58 | Rick | maybe i'm looking at the wrong part then |
| 08:42:03 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/iriver/front.jpg |
| 08:42:58 | Rick | yes, I figured it was the little silver 'box' in the bottom-center (slightly to the right) |
| 08:43:09 | LinusN | yes that's it |
| 08:44:37 | LinusN | it's even more clear here: http://www.rockbox.org/iriver/naked_front.jpg |
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| 09:41:20 | preglow | bah |
| 09:41:34 | Rick | what's wrong? |
| 09:41:53 | preglow | just had a horde of electricians in here |
| 09:42:14 | Rick | where is here? |
| 09:43:19 | LinusN | preglow: they stormed your house and took your fuses? |
| 09:43:44 | preglow | yes! |
| 09:43:45 | preglow | the trauma |
| 09:44:11 | Bagder | sorry preglow, but my boys were bored and had to do something. I'll have them bring back your fuses tomorrow :-) |
| 09:44:16 | preglow | haha |
| 09:44:58 | preglow | LinusN: you read that libmad is actually near 200% realtime? |
| 09:45:10 | LinusN | saw that |
| 09:45:19 | preglow | didn't think disk write consumed that much |
| 09:45:30 | LinusN | i knew the disk writes would skew the results, but not to that extent |
| 09:45:43 | preglow | well, endian swapping and disk writes |
| 09:45:49 | preglow | neither are necessary for our use |
| 09:46:00 | Rick | enlighten me, is 200% a good or bad thing? |
| 09:46:05 | preglow | good, indeed |
| 09:46:09 | preglow | not good enough, but better |
| 09:46:14 | Rick | ah |
| 09:46:19 | Rick | what's the target? |
| 09:46:26 | preglow | h1x0? |
| 09:46:32 | Rick | yes |
| 09:47:40 | DMJC | how's the tremor codec going? |
| 09:47:51 | Rick | tremor codec? |
| 09:47:53 | LinusN | i don't think anybody is working on it |
| 09:47:55 | Rick | what's tremor for? |
| 09:47:58 | LinusN | ogg |
| 09:48:00 | Rick | ah |
| 09:48:11 | preglow | markun is working on it |
| 09:48:15 | LinusN | oh |
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| 09:48:18 | Rick | oh |
| 09:48:24 | Rick | hmm |
| 09:48:25 | Rick | that reminds me |
| 09:48:29 | Rick | markun should be back today |
| 09:48:33 | preglow | he mentioned trying to swap the mdct for a fft with post/pre processing |
| 09:49:01 | LinusN | how large is the mdct there? |
| 09:49:07 | preglow | the whole frame |
| 09:49:13 | preglow | anything from 128 to 4096 |
| 09:49:30 | LinusN | 128 sound small for an fft |
| 09:49:32 | preglow | mp3 has very small mdcts, since it's employed after subband decomposition |
| 09:49:32 | LinusN | sounds |
| 09:49:38 | preglow | it's not, really |
| 09:49:54 | preglow | it's perhaps the smallest pretty common size |
| 09:50:08 | LinusN | ok |
| 09:50:09 | * | HCl rubs a bag of sand out of his eyes and yawns |
| 09:50:18 | preglow | that's the smallest imdct block, the fft size will be half the block size |
| 09:52:06 | LinusN | i wonder why the tremor codec doesn't use fft in that case |
| 09:52:50 | preglow | they've stated that the goal of tremor is more to be a reference than the tightest piece of code imaginable |
| 09:53:01 | LinusN | fair enough |
| 09:53:06 | preglow | and that particular piece is very easily exchanged by yourself |
| 09:53:46 | preglow | but yes, imdct is much more important performance wise in vorbis |
| 09:53:53 | preglow | than in mp3 |
| 09:53:59 | LinusN | yeaa |
| 09:54:13 | preglow | ahh, and yes, i got mpegdec working |
| 09:54:20 | preglow | it's not realtime on a 90 mhz coldfire, that's for sure |
| 09:54:20 | LinusN | heard it was noisy |
| 09:54:49 | preglow | yes, there was over eight bits worth of difference between that and a better mp3 decoder |
| 09:54:57 | LinusN | wow |
| 09:54:58 | preglow | but a difference isn't the best way of comparing |
| 09:56:30 | LinusN | so we should stick to libmad for the time being |
| 09:56:57 | preglow | well, it's not necessarily bad, i thought i'd check it out a bit now |
| 09:57:04 | preglow | perhaps commit it if someone wants to try it out |
| 09:57:16 | preglow | i wont have time to do much rockbox this week |
| 09:57:29 | LinusN | booh |
| 09:57:35 | preglow | :/ |
| 09:58:45 | LinusN | how are we supposed to keep our time plan if people start prioritizing their personal life? |
| 09:58:54 | Bagder | hehe |
| 09:59:10 | Bagder | we're only making rubbish anyway |
| 09:59:17 | LinusN | yeah |
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| 10:01:30 | preglow | you're right |
| 10:01:35 | preglow | i'm brickwalling the door as we speak |
| 10:02:26 | DMJC | how hard is 68000 coldfire assembler? |
| 10:02:40 | Bagder | similar to other assemblers |
| 10:02:47 | Bagder | but fairly easy, imho |
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| 10:04:04 | preglow | it think it's very easy |
| 10:04:18 | preglow | depends on if you're used to x86 asm |
| 10:04:30 | preglow | if you are, you are going to moan in delight as you get used to having more registers |
| 10:04:50 | HCl | xD |
| 10:04:59 | HCl | oh thats nothing, try mips 4 |
| 10:05:04 | HCl | 31 regs :3 |
| 10:06:41 | preglow | sparc has something around 128, i think |
| 10:07:29 | HCl | thats insane.. |
| 10:07:37 | LinusN | A, X and Y are all registers you need :-) |
| 10:07:43 | Bagder | powerpc has loads of them too, iirc |
| 10:07:45 | preglow | haha |
| 10:07:49 | * | preglow misses 6502 |
| 10:07:57 | Bagder | lda #$00, sta $d021 |
| 10:08:08 | LinusN | jmp $fce2 |
| 10:08:31 | preglow | what's the difference between 6502 and 6510? |
| 10:08:34 | preglow | i've only used the former |
| 10:08:56 | LinusN | the 6510 has an extra i/o port iirc |
| 10:09:25 | LinusN | address 0 and 1 |
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| 10:09:52 | LinusN | but i'm too old to remember stuff like that :-) |
| 10:10:03 | * | HCl scratches his head |
| 10:10:11 | preglow | haha |
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| 10:10:20 | preglow | i barely remember much of the 6502, and it's not that long since i used it |
| 10:13:22 | Patr3ck | preglow: sorry there was a problem with the "open with" patch |
| 10:13:42 | preglow | Patr3ck: not your fault |
| 10:13:55 | preglow | just me taking ten minutes of silence as consent :P |
| 10:14:04 | Patr3ck | :-) |
| 10:14:20 | Patr3ck | anyway, a patch with the simple wanted behavior: www.steidle.net/temp-downloads/filetypes.zip |
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| 10:14:35 | Patr3ck | every codec listed once |
| 10:14:42 | Bagder | Henrik Backe said he has a patch |
| 10:15:00 | preglow | yes |
| 10:15:01 | Bagder | he's the original author of the filetypes thing |
| 10:15:06 | Patr3ck | ok, fine |
| 10:15:26 | Bagder | thanks anyway |
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| 11:02:04 | preglow | does the code cache do prefetches? |
| 11:04:30 | LinusN | it fills a whole line |
| 11:05:10 | LinusN | 16 bytes/line |
| 11:05:35 | preglow | yes, but only when a miss is detected, yes? |
| 11:05:51 | LinusN | of course, that's what the cache is for |
| 11:06:05 | preglow | yes, but i was wondering if it prefetched |
| 11:06:21 | LinusN | it always fills a complete line |
| 11:06:45 | preglow | i was just thinking it wouldn't enhance sequantial code that much |
| 11:07:14 | LinusN | it won't help much, no |
| 11:07:28 | LinusN | all it helps you with is to fetch in bursts |
| 11:07:29 | preglow | i'd like to commit imdct_l code, but it's entirely sequantial |
| 11:07:51 | LinusN | it should be in iram then |
| 11:08:14 | preglow | i was also thinking of optimizing the other imdct_l instead, but there's not much emac magic to be done there |
| 11:08:24 | preglow | and i think the compiler makes better code than me |
| 11:09:39 | preglow | plugins use the main thread stack, yes? |
| 11:09:47 | LinusN | the cache helps a little on unrolled code, since the instruction fetches are done in bursts |
| 11:09:51 | LinusN | preglow: yes |
| 11:10:14 | preglow | just a pointer for the future, codec plugin stack really should be in iram |
| 11:10:32 | LinusN | yeah |
| 11:10:32 | preglow | they construct a lot of temp arrays that are accessed a lot |
| 11:10:57 | * | HCl yawns |
| 11:11:03 | preglow | we just need to control stack usage vigourosly to keep its size down |
| 11:11:04 | amiconn | hi |
| 11:11:10 | HCl | gmorning. |
| 11:11:11 | LinusN | hi amiconn |
| 11:11:14 | * | HCl makes food |
| 11:11:48 | preglow | LinusN: yes, it helps, but would be better to have something loop based |
| 11:11:58 | LinusN | absolutely |
| 11:12:27 | amiconn | I have a patch ready that adds proper realtime behaviour to the x11 sim (timer tick, sleep). I'd prefer some people to test it on various flavours of unix (Linux, BSD, OS X) before committing. |
| 11:13:04 | amiconn | amiconn.dyndns.org/x11rt.patch">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/x11rt.patch |
| 11:13:57 | LinusN | amiconn: nice, will try it at home if i remember to do it |
| 11:14:47 | amiconn | 2 tests I'm especially interested in: (1) Does it run realtime? (run the stopwatch plugin) (2) Does it run stable, even with heavy display activity? (got to the scroll speed settings, set it to 15 and let the example scroll for some minutes) |
| 11:15:35 | preglow | amiconn: i'll give it a go |
| 11:15:55 | LinusN | amiconn: have you tried to run it over the net? |
| 11:16:01 | amiconn | ? |
| 11:16:08 | LinusN | remote |
| 11:16:14 | amiconn | Nope, how? |
| 11:16:23 | amiconn | I'm not that much in x11 |
| 11:16:26 | preglow | that's what i'm doing |
| 11:16:44 | LinusN | preglow: good, then we'll get a good benchmark |
| 11:16:49 | amiconn | Additionally, I did not yet change anything in the lcd routines |
| 11:17:03 | preglow | the box is one meter from me, but it's still remote :) |
| 11:17:27 | HCl | hehe. |
| 11:17:51 | amiconn | it's only an additional thread that keeps track of time and updating current_tick, and sleep using select() instead of poll() |
| 11:18:33 | amiconn | Using poll() isn't realtime because it does not always sleep the whole time, it gets interrupted by other signals too |
| 11:22:27 | Bagder | select() is the same |
| 11:22:38 | Bagder | you need to loop when EINTR |
| 11:22:58 | preglow | stopwatch seems decent |
| 11:23:00 | Bagder | when errno is EINTR |
| 11:23:08 | amiconn | It's not if you use select(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, &tv); |
| 11:23:33 | preglow | stopwatch is accurate as far as i can see |
| 11:23:44 | Bagder | amiconn: I think you're wrong |
| 11:23:56 | amiconn | Hmm, need to check again then |
| 11:24:26 | preglow | amiconn: the 'up' key doesn't work some times |
| 11:24:49 | amiconn | preglow: Yeah... I did not yet work on the button handling. |
| 11:24:55 | amiconn | ...that's next |
| 11:25:00 | preglow | ok, as long as you know of it |
| 11:25:09 | preglow | scrolling seems fine as well |
| 11:25:13 | amiconn | My patch doesn't change that |
| 11:27:37 | preglow | amiconn: if you've got access to a linux box, running x remote isn't muc harder than setting the DISPLAY variable on the box, and adding an ip in your cygwins x |
| 11:28:13 | Bagder | using ssh, you don't even need to do that manually |
| 11:28:21 | preglow | yup, correct |
| 11:28:27 | preglow | i just didn't bother with ssh locally |
| 11:29:30 | Bagder | and for the record, I could easily provide a linux login for this purpose in case some would like it |
| 11:29:37 | Bagder | now, food |
| 11:30:35 | preglow | yes, i would be glad to provide a login as well, as long as no warez are involved :P |
| 11:31:32 | preglow | amiconn: scrolling has been running for over five minutes, no change in behaviour |
| 11:31:52 | amiconn | preglow: Nice :) |
| 11:32:39 | amiconn | I'll check again whether the sleep() implementation using select() works correct before committing |
| 11:33:58 | preglow | there the entire thing hung |
| 11:34:04 | preglow | i thing that's the button handler, though |
| 11:34:07 | preglow | think, even |
| 11:34:21 | preglow | yes, most definitely, after banging the keypad, it unfroze |
| 11:35:13 | preglow | but ait, i'll go hassle the people at the shop |
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| 12:30:52 | preglow | i wish iriver had opted for an arm based design |
| 12:31:00 | preglow | i'd like to learn arm asm |
| 12:31:17 | HCl | get an arm emulator and knock yourself out |
| 12:31:20 | HCl | o.o |
| 12:31:22 | Bagder | arm asm is cool |
| 12:31:22 | preglow | haha |
| 12:31:24 | preglow | it's not the same |
| 12:31:36 | preglow | it seems very powerful, and at the same time they say it's risc |
| 12:31:38 | * | HCl has a pda that runs linux and is a strongarm.. |
| 12:32:00 | preglow | Bagder: is there anything bad to say about the arm architecture? |
| 12:32:07 | Bagder | yes |
| 12:32:15 | Bagder | they have things patentet |
| 12:32:20 | preglow | excellent... |
| 12:32:21 | Bagder | and hunt clone makers |
| 12:32:35 | preglow | so everyone has to license it? |
| 12:32:38 | Bagder | yes |
| 12:32:50 | Bagder | apparently, arm is also pretty expensive compared to competitors |
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| 12:33:03 | Bagder | at least I've heard so |
| 12:33:26 | Bagder | but otherwise its cool |
| 12:33:55 | Bagder | we used netbsd 1.6 on strongarm in a project once, that was not cool though :-) |
| 12:34:23 | Bagder | caching on virtual addresses |
| 12:34:23 | ripnetuk | arms are everywhere... i think most of my gadgets contain an arm |
| 12:34:33 | Bagder | having kernel and user space both from address 0 |
| 12:35:05 | preglow | hah |
| 12:35:08 | | Nick jyp_ is now known as jyp (~jp@190.216-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 12:35:55 | jyp | Anyone knows a good mp3 cutter for linux ? |
| 12:36:02 | preglow | what the hell, strongarms run on less than one watt at 233mhz |
| 12:36:03 | preglow | that's insane |
| 12:36:48 | Bagder | jyp: check http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsefulTools |
| 12:36:56 | jyp | Many thanks |
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| 12:37:27 | marvb | hi guys, I just noticed something when starting rockbox |
| 12:37:53 | marvb | a loud sound was coming through the headphones |
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| 12:38:27 | HCl | on what hardware? |
| 12:38:40 | marvb | HCl: sorry, iriver |
| 12:38:47 | ashridah | hm. symptom of uninitialised hardware? |
| 12:39:12 | marvb | using the bootloader on the wiki, and the bleeding edge this morning |
| 12:40:00 | marvb | I do not know if this is supposed to happen, as I haven't had the headphones plugged when using rockbox. |
| 12:40:17 | preglow | well, sound hardware is not supposed to work |
| 12:40:36 | marvb | preglow: I know, that's why I freaked out ;) |
| 12:40:41 | preglow | it'll get fixed when sound support is in cvs |
| 12:40:43 | preglow | hahah |
| 12:41:00 | preglow | the codec chips isn't inited at all, so it might blurt out stuff from time to time |
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| 12:41:54 | marvb | preglow: ok, sounds reasonable enough. Good work anyway. |
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| 12:42:34 | ripnetuk_ | ive heard the noise from uninitialized sound chip |
| 12:42:45 | ripnetuk_ | like a loud white noise |
| 12:42:50 | Bagder | startup-sounds! |
| 12:42:55 | Bagder | cool ;-) |
| 12:43:02 | * | Bagder ducks |
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| 12:43:26 | ripnetuk_ | we could have a nokia jingle as it inits :) |
| 12:44:17 | marvb | ripnetuk: For me it was more like those Hz-registrating things we used i high school physics. |
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| 12:44:53 | ripnetuk_ | im guessing its still got the valus in from last time iriver fw was run |
| 12:45:01 | ripnetuk_ | values |
| 12:45:23 | ripnetuk_ | dd someone say you has got 200% on libmad now? |
| 12:45:54 | HCl | yea |
| 12:46:00 | HCl | we didn't keep account of the disk writing |
| 12:46:26 | HCl | not writing to disk made it go at 200% |
| 12:46:35 | preglow | ripnetuk_: depends on the file, i've got 205% realtime on a 180 kbps average vbr mp3 |
| 12:46:46 | marvb | gotta go, bye |
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| 12:47:02 | Heidelweg | btw. does that mean, not writing to the disc gives all other codec also double speed? |
| 12:47:08 | ripnetuk_ | isnt that enough? what are we aiming for? |
| 12:47:22 | preglow | well, it'll do |
| 12:47:27 | preglow | but more would be great |
| 12:47:30 | preglow | and possible |
| 12:47:38 | preglow | Heidelweg: not double speed, but more |
| 12:47:44 | preglow | Heidelweg: i tried the same with flac, got a handsome boost |
| 12:47:45 | Heidelweg | cool :) |
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| 12:48:01 | Bagder | strictly speaking, it was no boost ;-) |
| 12:48:03 | ripnetuk_ | hows the playback api coming on? |
| 12:48:06 | Bagder | just a better calc |
| 12:48:08 | preglow | haha |
| 12:48:13 | preglow | sure enough |
| 12:48:21 | preglow | it was never intended to write anyway |
| 12:49:28 | ripnetuk_ | how hard would it be to 'hack' the mpa2wav to dump its output the the dac? is it just a case of dumping it to ram and telling the dma controller to copy it to the dac? |
| 12:49:43 | HCl | i honestly don't know. |
| 12:49:52 | LinusN | ripnetuk_: for what reason? |
| 12:50:11 | ripnetuk_ | just for fun :) to hear it make noises before the complete sound api is done |
| 12:52:07 | Patr3ck | LinusN: The TIMER1 code you gave me worked beautifully |
| 12:52:33 | * | LinusN removed the write() calls and got from 87% to 96% |
| 12:52:44 | LinusN | Patr3ck: nice |
| 12:52:47 | Patr3ck | LinusN: There were two changes from my original code |
| 12:53:15 | Patr3ck | LinusN: the (auto?) vector move which was beyond my understanding |
| 12:53:39 | preglow | LinusN: 49mhz? |
| 12:53:43 | LinusN | 120 |
| 12:53:49 | Patr3ck | LinusN: And the interrupt level, 2.0 in your case and 3.1 in my case |
| 12:53:49 | preglow | is this your 320kbps file? |
| 12:53:53 | LinusN | yes |
| 12:54:04 | LinusN | Patr3ck: allright |
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| 12:54:13 | preglow | LinusN: could you send me that? |
| 12:54:20 | LinusN | hang on |
| 12:55:01 | Patr3ck | LinusN: I am still wondering why even after using the moved autovector interrupt level 3.1 did not work |
| 12:55:25 | LinusN | http://linus.haxx.se/iriver.mp3 |
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| 12:55:55 | LinusN | Patr3ck: the autovector uses different vectors for each interrupt level |
| 12:56:53 | Patr3ck | LinusN: OK, I see |
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| 13:00:48 | LinusN | preglow: FYI, it isn't the disk writing that takes all the CPU, it's the dithering |
| 13:00:49 | preglow | LinusN: well, this is most certainly interesting |
| 13:01:08 | preglow | LinusN: i've got that file running at 170% realtime |
| 13:01:33 | LinusN | yes, because you removed the dithering as well as the disk writing |
| 13:01:45 | preglow | yes, i commented out the whole block |
| 13:02:22 | preglow | dithering is quite unnecessary at 16 bit, imho |
| 13:02:33 | LinusN | do you have uncommitted optimizations? |
| 13:02:36 | preglow | LinusN: yes |
| 13:02:41 | preglow | the ugly imdct_l one |
| 13:02:46 | LinusN | i get 150% without dithering |
| 13:03:01 | preglow | well, 150*1.15 = 172% |
| 13:03:08 | preglow | my opt gave about 15% last time as well |
| 13:03:12 | LinusN | i think dithering might make a difference |
| 13:03:28 | preglow | yes, of course, depends on several factors |
| 13:03:33 | preglow | my hearing can't pick it up |
| 13:04:11 | LinusN | the dithering is done on the SDRAM buffer |
| 13:05:11 | LinusN | gotta eat |
| 13:05:18 | * | LinusN goes to lunch |
| 13:06:57 | preglow | but yes, if done correctly, dithering should not matter much |
| 13:07:01 | preglow | on cpu usage, that is |
| 13:10:04 | preglow | any way of making just some members of a struct be put in iram without ripping them out and rewriting the code? :> |
| 13:10:07 | preglow | me thinks not |
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| 13:11:10 | Bagder | nope |
| 13:11:35 | preglow | i |
| 13:11:47 | preglow | i'll probably have to trace through the code path and note what to put in iram |
| 13:11:49 | preglow | *sigh* |
| 13:12:06 | preglow | i don't like where this is heading, i had decided not to spend much time on rockbox this week |
| 13:12:55 | HCl | you can convert the members to pointers, and have what they point to be in iram? |
| 13:13:09 | HCl | simple change of changing . to -> |
| 13:13:23 | preglow | that's what i was thinking of, yes |
| 13:13:30 | HCl | *nods* |
| 13:13:37 | * | HCl goes back to his book |
| 13:13:40 | preglow | but i still need to find out what members are used often |
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| 13:13:50 | HCl | mhm |
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| 13:25:53 | ashridah | fuck. |
| 13:25:57 | ashridah | fuckfuckfuck |
| 13:26:41 | ashridah | http://barrapunto.com/ciberderechos/05/03/07/1217215.shtml <−− if this is accurate (needs spanish->english translation), looks like i need to set my sights on asia to find a non-screwed up workplace to migrate to :( |
| 13:28:42 | ripnetuk_ | i think software patents should be like 6 months or something |
| 13:28:54 | ripnetuk_ | that way the inventor gets a head start, but cannot have a monopoly |
| 13:29:10 | ashridah | ripnetuk_: that's about as good an idea as any i've heard. |
| 13:29:16 | ashridah | particularly given the product lifecycle |
| 13:29:27 | ripnetuk_ | yeah, with physical inventions, the time to market is long |
| 13:30:03 | ripnetuk_ | but without a global patents system, all software patents will do is put your country at a disadvantage |
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| 13:30:59 | preglow | ripnetuk_: that's actually not a half-bad idea |
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| 13:31:27 | ripnetuk_ | preglow - thats as good a reason as any not to do it ;) |
| 13:31:56 | ripnetuk_ | it would also encourage companies to QUIcKLY make new tech for us to play with |
| 13:32:14 | ashridah | ripnetuk_: and delay patenting to the last second. |
| 13:32:37 | ashridah | you realise, of course, that any court case would probably take longer than the expiration time :) |
| 13:32:42 | preglow | idneed |
| 13:32:53 | preglow | the patenting process itself is also not very quick |
| 13:34:33 | ripnetuk_ | a difficult area... |
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| 13:37:44 | HCl | yawn |
| 13:38:12 | ashridah | pity there's no simple way to force the patent applicant to do their due dilligence reliably before making the application. |
| 13:38:30 | ashridah | not that it's easy to do so |
| 13:38:42 | ashridah | (do the due dilligence i mean) |
| 13:38:50 | HCl | i agree, intellectual property is a concept i don't really agree with.. |
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| 13:39:55 | * | HCl is bored :x |
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| 13:40:14 | * | ashridah finishes an assignment 2 months early |
| 13:40:19 | ashridah | hurray. one down, 3 to go |
| 13:40:34 | HCl | :p |
| 13:41:55 | ashridah | of course, it helps having had experience with C programming before you get to the subject, and the concepts themselves are mostly a rehash of the ones studied in java, plus a few annoyances. |
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| 13:43:19 | ashridah | heh. i think the C text book i've got is so old it predates C90 or whatever. let alone C99. |
| 13:44:48 | * | HCl doesn't even remember which c books he read. |
| 13:45:01 | HCl | i mostly started with pascal and migrated to C |
| 13:45:06 | ashridah | it doesn't matter. i rarely need to refer to it |
| 13:45:19 | HCl | gnu libc man pages are your friends. |
| 13:45:46 | * | HCl watches the class fill. |
| 13:46:05 | HCl | formal methods of software engineering... bit of a boring class :x |
| 13:46:35 | ripnetuk_ | HCl =- Z? |
| 13:46:40 | ashridah | i tend to use the info pages (rendered using konqueror's info kio plugin, mind you) |
| 13:47:08 | DMJC | someone gave me C second edition.. |
| 13:47:12 | HCl | ripnetuk_: hmm? yes, it does cover the language Z... |
| 13:47:23 | ripnetuk_ | that was my least favoriate subject at uni |
| 13:47:29 | HCl | but we're at um.. whats it called.. fsp or fps or something... |
| 13:47:30 | HCl | anyways |
| 13:47:32 | HCl | afk, class. |
| 13:47:52 | HCl | yay.. deadlocks and dining philosophers. |
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| 13:47:55 | HCl | X.x; |
| 13:48:07 | ripnetuk_ | tsk... curl requires a security fix on MandrakeUpdate :) |
| 13:48:20 | HCl | i'm more interested in the philosophers than how they dine >.o |
| 13:48:27 | HCl | afk now. |
| 13:48:49 | Bagder | ripnetuk_: hah, tell me about it... :-) |
| 13:48:58 | * | ripnetuk_ thinks the philosphers should just eat with their fingers :) |
| 13:49:25 | ripnetuk_ | and it looks like the ENTIRE kde needs update (again!) |
| 13:49:41 | ashridah | Actual leaks report (actual leaks: 0 total size: 0 bytes) | Possible leaks report (possible leaks: 0 total size: 0 bytes) BAHAHAHA |
| 13:49:55 | * | ashridah phjeres his l33t memory handling skilz |
| 13:50:41 | ashridah | only one i've managed to generate so far has been using a filehandle i'd already closed |
| 13:50:56 | ashridah | surprisingly that didn't crash, but it certainly didn't give the results i was expecting either :) |
| 13:51:42 | Bagder | LinusN: you broke the gmini build, you know that right? |
| 13:56:20 | LinusN | i know |
| 13:58:06 | LinusN | i'll change to BUTTON_PLAY instead |
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| 14:01:03 | NHeal | sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 14:01:03 | NJoin | preglow [0] (thomj@s183a.studby.ntnu.no) |
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| 14:08:50 | LinusN | looks like the SDRAM size is the only difference between H110 and H120 |
| 14:09:28 | DMJC | how much ram on each? |
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| 14:09:49 | LinusN | 16 on H110, 32 on H120 |
| 14:10:31 | preglow | i think the iriver firmware size differs pretty drastically |
| 14:10:35 | preglow | might remember wrong, though |
| 14:10:52 | Lear | Anyone building sim with cygwin gcc 3.4.1? Can't find cc1 when I try... :( |
| 14:11:14 | Lear | Or do I have to install 3.3.3 for that? |
| 14:12:00 | ashridah | hrm. how exactly does one get cygwin to give you gcc 3.4. it only had gcc 3.3 when i downloaded a crapload of it two days ago |
| 14:14:10 | Lear | You can select 3.4.1 as an experimental option... (You need to cycle the "new" column and explicitly select "bin" though. |
| 14:14:56 | Lear | Funny thing is, I could build the m68k cross compiler just fine, so I wonder if it might be a rockbox problem. :) |
| 14:15:32 | ashridah | aah. it's experimental? i'll leave it where it is then |
| 14:16:24 | ashridah | i put together a cygwin environment + instructions for a bunch of my mates at uni, so they could get a unix-alike build environment for one of the assignments we have to do for a programming subject. it's close enough to the solaris machine (which is gcc 3.4) that they'll be able to get their work done a lot faster |
| 14:16:40 | ashridah | one of the tutors was trying to suggest djgpp |
| 14:16:51 | ashridah | i didn't even think that was still keeping remotely up to date |
| 14:16:53 | ashridah | but i could be wrong :) |
| 14:17:13 | ashridah | last i checked it built dos apps |
| 14:18:50 | Lear | Btw, on cygwin, is cc1 supposed to be in the path? Or am I missing a symlink somewhere? |
| 14:19:19 | LinusN | gcc finds it without the path |
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| 14:20:13 | Lear | Linus: But why doesn't gcc find it when building the rockbox firmware then? :) |
| 14:20:48 | LinusN | maybe it is the SOURCES magic, that calls the preprocessor |
| 14:20:49 | HCl | hm, the "hippies problem", finally something different from the dining philosophers o.o |
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| 14:22:08 | Lear | Linusn: Well, it happens when it tries to compile buffer.c, doesn't that mean I'm past that stage? |
| 14:22:40 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:23:13 | LinusN | gcc -print-search-dirs |
| 14:26:03 | ashridah | i just did a 'find -name cc1' on my cygwin install here, and it didn't find anything |
| 14:26:24 | ashridah | ( from / that is) |
| 14:26:27 | Lear | Linusn: First directory in the path points to the one with cc1... |
| 14:26:34 | ashridah | odd. |
| 14:26:35 | LinusN | ashridah: "cc1.exe" |
| 14:26:47 | ashridah | rofl |
| 14:26:49 | * | ashridah smacks head |
| 14:26:50 | ashridah | yeah |
| 14:26:50 | LinusN | Lear: show me the exact error message |
| 14:27:37 | Lear | Linus: After the line with CC buffer.c: gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1': No such file or directory |
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| 14:29:53 | LinusN | Lear: did you upgrade to 3.4.1 or was that the first compiler you installed? |
| 14:30:56 | LinusN | or have you moved the cygwin root? |
| 14:30:58 | Lear | linusn: should be the first. Because 3.4.1 is experimental though, I've installed 3.3.3 accidentally a couple of times. Should be uninstalled though. And it's only rockbox firmware that has complained so far... |
| 14:31:11 | Lear | Linusn: Root has not been moved. |
| 14:31:13 | LinusN | gcc −−version |
| 14:32:20 | Lear | linusn: gcc (GCC) 3.4.1 (cygming special) |
| 14:33:01 | LinusN | "cygming special"? |
| 14:33:14 | LinusN | hehe |
| 14:34:07 | LinusN | /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.1/cc1.exe −−version |
| 14:35:44 | * | preglow hugs his linux box |
| 14:35:55 | Lear | linusn: Aha, when building rockbox, gcc looks in i686-pc-mingw32, not i686-pc-cygwin... But I have installed gcc-mingw-core... |
| 14:37:57 | LinusN | but maybe not the correct version? |
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| 14:40:03 | Lear | linusn: Seems like it. I installed a slightly newer version of gcc-mingw-core, and now I've got a mingw cc1 also. |
| 14:51:29 | Lear | Ok, so I have a H1x0 sim running. Now what? It starts, but I can't even browse the menus... |
| 14:52:42 | LinusN | huh? |
| 14:53:54 | Lear | Ah, so I have to use insert. "." doesn't work, despite what the image says (and I use a notebook right now, so keypad "." isn't very convenient... ) |
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| 15:06:59 | preglow | ok, learning arm asm is not a two hour procedure |
| 15:10:25 | LinusN | why arm asm? |
| 15:11:42 | preglow | trying to see what the imdct_l_arm.S does |
| 15:11:51 | preglow | and if it's a method that's feasible for coldfire |
| 15:11:58 | preglow | it looks pretty decent |
| 15:12:15 | preglow | it's pretty well commented, though |
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| 15:14:01 | HCl | heh. |
| 15:14:42 | Atreju | hi. Has somebody experienced problems with the gmini 120 and linux? |
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| 15:16:05 | DeadMan | have we got MP3 to audio out yet on iRiver? Or still just WAV? |
| 15:16:28 | LinusN | we have neither |
| 15:16:41 | LinusN | in cvs |
| 15:16:47 | DeadMan | oh ok |
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| 15:33:46 | jyp | for ( next = file->firstcluster; next; |
| 15:33:46 | jyp | next = get_next_cluster(IF_MV2(fat_bpb,) next) ) |
| 15:33:46 | jyp | LDEBUGF("cluster %ld: %lx\n", count++, next); |
| 15:33:46 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK jyp |
| 15:33:46 | jyp | len = count * fat_bpb->bpb_secperclus * SECTOR_SIZE; |
| 15:33:53 | jyp | this isn't quite correct right ? |
| 15:34:11 | jyp | count being only incremented when debug is on... |
| 15:35:45 | jyp | I'm committing the fix... tell me if I was mistaken |
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| 15:37:13 | preglow | what file is that in? |
| 15:37:17 | preglow | fat driver? |
| 15:37:21 | jyp | yup |
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| 15:55:11 | DeadMan | I'd rather have a FAT drive than a fat driver :) |
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| 16:07:41 | Lynx_ | 250gb is what i'd call a fat drive... |
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| 16:08:59 | Tomas2 | hi |
| 16:19:45 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK DeadMan |
| 16:19:45 | DeadMan | Hard Disks: (Total/Free: 308.28/166.31GB ¤ Total/Free space on: C: 74.53/20.96GB ¤ D: 231.74/145.34GB ¤ J: 2.01/0.01GB) |
| 16:19:47 | DeadMan | Network Drives: (Total/Free: 843.75/163.1GB ¤ Total/Free space on: T: 74.53/21.38GB ¤ U: 279.47/75GB ¤ V: 189.92/24.34GB ¤ W: 76.32/40.71GB ¤ Y: 111.76/0.77GB ¤ Z: 111.76/0.9GB) |
| 16:20:01 | DeadMan | ;) |
| 16:20:59 | DeadMan | Is 1TB or more getting more common these days? |
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| 16:36:23 | Lynx_ | DeadMan: 'C' is you fast drive, eh? ;) |
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| 17:01:35 | DeadMan | not really |
| 17:01:42 | DeadMan | just too much effort to try and move it |
| 17:02:19 | DeadMan | I have an indexing error on C: NTFS but am too lazy to start over |
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| 17:02:46 | DeadMan | I was gonna try to partition magic it to FAT32 and back again to see if I could fix the error that way |
| 17:02:57 | DeadMan | after backing the data up of course |
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| 17:21:43 | crwl | http://mjr.iki.fi/texts/patentfund |
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| 17:25:33 | Tomas2 | hi |
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| 17:31:59 | * | HCl prods markun, if he's reading the logs; will probably be around 9ish at belletrie for ddr |
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| 17:34:04 | HCl | bbl. |
| 17:34:13 | amiconn | jyp: Your fix for fat.c is probably unnecessary, because this part is #ifdef TEST_FAT anyway, and when TEST_FAT is defined, LDEBUGF is most likely also defined |
| 17:34:32 | jyp | actually not in my setting |
| 17:34:54 | amiconn | Ah, you did test, and didn't have LDEBUGF? |
| 17:35:03 | jyp | indeed |
| 17:35:27 | amiconn | How do you test then? |
| 17:35:39 | jyp | in my emulator |
| 17:36:14 | amiconn | Ah, the emulator :) |
| 17:36:19 | jyp | yah :) |
| 17:36:45 | jyp | Anyways, I don't think it hurts to keep my fix right ? |
| 17:38:29 | amiconn | Nope; I just wondered what it might be good for. Didn't think of the emulator, as we didn't have one... |
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| 18:26:01 | Bonkers | jyp, you're writing an sh1 emulator or something? |
| 18:28:34 | amiconn | Bonkers: Not sh1; jyp is the gmini man. The gmini guys have written a gmini emulator, which emulates most (all?) of the gmini hardware. |
| 18:29:21 | amiconn | That's of great value for porting rockbox to gmini |
| 18:29:31 | Tomas2 | amiconn? you know much about the simulators? |
| 18:29:52 | Tomas2 | My iRiver simulator can't open the plugin's browser... |
| 18:29:55 | amiconn | Well, I'd say quite a bit |
| 18:30:21 | amiconn | Did you 'make install' after 'make'? |
| 18:30:30 | Tomas2 | yes.. |
| 18:30:43 | amiconn | Windows or Linux? |
| 18:30:48 | Tomas2 | linux |
| 18:30:57 | amiconn | :( |
| 18:31:15 | amiconn | I'm afraid I can't help that much with Linux, running windows only... |
| 18:31:40 | Tomas2 | ok.. I have windows too.. but haven't tried to build it there jet.. |
| 18:31:48 | amiconn | Did you check the dir structure? |
| 18:31:51 | Tomas2 | what's the simplest way? visual studio? |
| 18:32:19 | amiconn | I think the vs build is completely broken now, and I have no way to fix it (i.e. no visual studio) |
| 18:32:28 | Tomas2 | other way? |
| 18:32:40 | amiconn | I'm using cygwin for everything rockbox related |
| 18:32:57 | Tomas2 | lol... that's almost linux |
| 18:32:59 | Rick | morning guys |
| 18:33:08 | Bonkers | innocent question, if you're using cygwin, why can't the linux and windows simulator be identical? |
| 18:33:14 | amiconn | Compiling for target(s) (sh1 in my case), and both win32 and x11 simulators |
| 18:34:26 | amiconn | Bonkers: The native win32 simulator can't run on linux for obvious reasons, and this one is preferred on windows. It's more compatible, and if you only want that one, you need a way smaller cygwin installation (no x11 needed) |
| 18:35:14 | Tomas2 | oh.. in cygwin my make complains... |
| 18:35:24 | amiconn | Then, Tomas2 says cygwin is *almost* Linux - yes, but only *almost* |
| 18:35:44 | Tomas2 | MAKE Version 5.2 Copyright (c) 1987, 1998 Inprise Corp. |
| 18:35:44 | Tomas2 | Fatal makefile 65: No terminator specified for in-line file operator |
| 18:35:47 | Tomas2 | :X |
| 18:35:51 | amiconn | Huh? |
| 18:35:58 | Tomas2 | that's make on cygwin... |
| 18:36:02 | Bonkers | amiconn: sounds like it would be a terribly fun project to port the simulator to some cross platform toolkit, too bad I don't have time right now |
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| 18:36:39 | amiconn | Tomas2: That's definitely not gnu make |
| 18:36:58 | Tomas2 | no, I'll install the gnu version |
| 18:37:10 | amiconn | $ make -v |
| 18:37:10 | amiconn | GNU Make 3.80 |
| 18:37:10 | amiconn | Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc. |
| 18:37:36 | Tomas2 | installed :) |
| 18:37:56 | Tomas2 | damn... cygwin is much slower than the real linux :) |
| 18:38:07 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 18:38:30 | amiconn | Really? Some other guys also told me, but then I have no comparison. |
| 18:39:07 | Tomas2 | yeah.. This pc is a Athlon XP 3200+ and the make almost takes twice the time it takes on my simple celeron 700 laptop... |
| 18:39:13 | Tomas2 | but the laptop is running native linux |
| 18:39:19 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 18:39:26 | Bonkers | Tomas2: the first time I tried cygwin, before I'd touched linux, it was probably on a 486 33 MHz, I thoguht all configure scripts took like 45 minutes |
| 18:39:38 | amiconn | Pentium M 1.5 GHz laptop here |
| 18:39:51 | Tomas2 | yeah, my laptop is a little old... |
| 18:40:00 | Tomas2 | Celeron 700, 512 mb mem... |
| 18:40:14 | Tomas2 | my real computer is much faster normally... 3200+ with 1024 mb mem... |
| 18:40:37 | amiconn | I don't want to fiddle with Linux on that, 'cause windows is running pretty stable and does everyting I need (with the help of cygwin). |
| 18:41:05 | Tomas2 | yeah... I use windows XP on this pc for games and my company program's... |
| 18:41:15 | Bonkers | any idea how the speed of colinux compares to cygwin? |
| 18:41:30 | Tomas2 | native linux is just really much faster... whatever version u use... |
| 18:41:44 | amiconn | I tried to fiddle with Linux several times, but I simply don't have the time to switch to Linux. It takes ages to get a Linux environment to the stage where it is actually usable... |
| 18:42:03 | Tomas2 | install some simple distro? like mandrake of fedora? |
| 18:42:08 | Bonkers | amiconn: not lately, fedora core, ubuntu, knoppix, you can have a system up and running faster than the windows install takes |
| 18:42:19 | Tomas2 | I used that when I wasn't as linux experienced as I am now... |
| 18:42:19 | Bonkers | ubuntu installed completely in like 10 minutes or something |
| 18:42:33 | Bonkers | knoppix boots off a CD in like 3 minutes and is fully usable |
| 18:42:39 | amiconn | Yeah, up and running *basically*, but until all hardware works, it can take ages... |
| 18:42:52 | Bonkers | they all autodetect hardware now |
| 18:42:59 | Tomas2 | well.. my laptop worked with fedora just from setup |
| 18:43:01 | amiconn | ... and for some hardware I tried to get running under linux, I failed completely |
| 18:43:03 | Bonkers | I think knoppix picks up every piece of software in my computer |
| 18:43:09 | Tomas2 | and when I did LFS it was easy as hell... |
| 18:43:15 | Tomas2 | just have to know your hardware |
| 18:43:29 | Bonkers | I can stick knoppix in my laptop at school with my wireless card plugged in, in 2 minutes I'm already on the internet with sound at startup |
| 18:43:34 | Bonkers | no configuration at all |
| 18:43:46 | preglow | knoppix is pretty leet |
| 18:44:06 | Tomas2 | yeah, because it's build on debian... |
| 18:44:19 | Bonkers | but it's really the hardware autodetection that makes it so cool |
| 18:44:19 | amiconn | Well, I actually didn't try the distros you mention; but I tried several SuSEs, and debian (the latter on Amiga hardware though) |
| 18:44:22 | Tomas2 | I use debian for my server and firewall too... |
| 18:44:29 | Rick | amiconn: currently I use VMWare for my rockbox dev enviornment |
| 18:44:41 | Tomas2 | amiconn: debian is a little more difficult |
| 18:44:44 | Bonkers | ya, debian on my server/firewall too |
| 18:44:45 | preglow | Tomas2: do i detect a debian zealot here? :P |
| 18:44:52 | Tomas2 | a little ;) |
| 18:44:55 | preglow | haha |
| 18:44:56 | preglow | debian is ok |
| 18:45:02 | Tomas2 | yeah, for servers... |
| 18:45:02 | preglow | as long as you don't run stable |
| 18:45:11 | Bonkers | hah, I'm running stable on my server |
| 18:45:13 | Tomas2 | I run stable with backports... |
| 18:45:13 | amiconn | SuSE did fails for several hardware items, and I didn't even manage to get x11 running in debian |
| 18:45:15 | preglow | i can't stand using five years old software |
| 18:45:26 | Tomas2 | then use stable + backports? |
| 18:45:38 | preglow | only fixes are backported |
| 18:45:38 | Tomas2 | I installed new apache, php, mysql and postfix from backports |
| 18:45:38 | preglow | not features |
| 18:45:43 | Bonkers | I had like a 400 day uptime with that thing, and it was an old 266MHz K6-2 |
| 18:45:49 | Tomas2 | preglow: www.backports.org |
| 18:46:00 | preglow | i don't want to jump through hoops |
| 18:46:04 | preglow | i've got anice server anyway |
| 18:46:09 | preglow | and i'm not about to spend time on it |
| 18:46:11 | Tomas2 | put it in /etc/sources.list |
| 18:46:17 | Tomas2 | and you can install all new things you want :) |
| 18:46:19 | preglow | yes, i know |
| 18:46:26 | preglow | i'm using apt on my desktop right now |
| 18:46:34 | preglow | but i'll not touch my server until it stops working |
| 18:46:39 | Tomas2 | I don't use debian as a desktop.. |
| 18:46:42 | Tomas2 | that's just to old... |
| 18:46:49 | Tomas2 | old KDE and thinks aren't usable... |
| 18:46:50 | preglow | use unstable |
| 18:46:56 | preglow | i use ubuntu right now |
| 18:46:57 | amiconn | We also considered using a Linux file server at work some time ago, but decided against it. User administration is a nightmare compared to a windows domain, imho. |
| 18:46:59 | preglow | runs like a charm |
| 18:47:02 | Tomas2 | yeah... I just use LFS now on my laptop |
| 18:47:14 | preglow | amiconn: i wouldn't call it a nightmare |
| 18:47:22 | preglow | amiconn: you need to get used to it, then it's pretty smooth |
| 18:47:29 | preglow | like everything else |
| 18:47:36 | preglow | less intuitive, perhaps |
| 18:47:48 | amiconn | No, simply much moire work for less effect |
| 18:47:52 | Bonkers | doesn't samba support full active directory stuff by now? |
| 18:47:59 | Tomas2 | yeah version 3 |
| 18:48:00 | preglow | amiconn: what exactly are we talking about? |
| 18:48:18 | preglow | file servers aren't very hard to set up or admin |
| 18:48:22 | amiconn | I didn't have a look at the latest samba, but back then samba even needed to enter the password a second time. |
| 18:48:35 | amiconn | Windows 2000 with active directory was available by then |
| 18:48:38 | preglow | samba works incredibly smooth these days |
| 18:48:43 | Bonkers | back when? samba has been able to join a domain fork 5 years at least |
| 18:48:57 | Tomas2 | We use several linux fileservers at work... |
| 18:48:59 | Bonkers | samba could join an nt4 domain before 2000 ad existed |
| 18:49:05 | Tomas2 | All integrated in windows 2000 domain |
| 18:49:06 | amiconn | Yeah... to join, but not to be an ad domain controller |
| 18:49:18 | Tomas2 | It can controll a NT 4 domain |
| 18:49:21 | Bonkers | you don't need to be a domain controller to share files without requiring a password a second time |
| 18:49:22 | Tomas2 | and join a 2000 domain |
| 18:49:43 | preglow | but of course, win2k is going to be smoother for smb stuff |
| 18:49:53 | preglow | samba does work really well, though |
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| 18:50:12 | fuzzie | samba is /fast/, though |
| 18:50:16 | fuzzie | if you're just doing filesharing |
| 18:50:26 | Tomas2 | amiconn: In my office we have 4 redhat servers running as a domain member with a big raid array for file serving... |
| 18:50:37 | Tomas2 | I never have to login twice.. |
| 18:50:55 | Tomas2 | just login to a w2k workstation and my home drive is mounted automatically... without relogin.. |
| 18:50:55 | amiconn | Hmm, actually I think samba is slow as hell, but that's not samba's fault. The SMB protocol is simply inefficient |
| 18:50:57 | preglow | windows remembers my passwords for me |
| 18:51:10 | preglow | smb isn't very elegant, no |
| 18:51:13 | preglow | but it works |
| 18:51:16 | Tomas2 | yeah... SMB is slow.. compared to http or ftp.. |
| 18:51:21 | amiconn | Tomas2: Not to login twice, but to tell samba the password again. |
| 18:51:32 | Tomas2 | no.. don't have to type a password at all |
| 18:51:34 | amiconn | ...when creating the user, that is |
| 18:51:39 | Tomas2 | ooooh |
| 18:51:48 | Tomas2 | you have to change some domain settings for that |
| 18:51:56 | Tomas2 | and make samba replicate users from windows |
| 18:52:08 | Tomas2 | or just use domain auth and don't make linux users at all |
| 18:52:18 | preglow | which is what you of course do |
| 18:52:18 | Tomas2 | it's possible with winbind... |
| 18:53:23 | Bonkers | can't you just do like "security=domain" and have it work perfectly? |
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| 18:53:35 | fuzzie | amiconn: i mean, samba is faster compared to windows :) |
| 18:53:48 | amiconn | fuzzie: I seriously doubt that |
| 18:53:50 | fuzzie | win2k3 was faster for a few weeks around launch |
| 18:53:55 | Tomas2 | no, it really is |
| 18:54:02 | fuzzie | but that changed quickly. |
| 18:54:15 | Tomas2 | don't know about 2003 but it's faster than windows 2000 server |
| 18:54:16 | preglow | samba actually has been faster than windows loads of times |
| 18:54:17 | fuzzie | i can't speak for anything but filesharing, though. |
| 18:54:19 | preglow | it's not bs |
| 18:54:23 | amiconn | Bonkers: For a file server, and today, maybe. Back then it simply didn't work |
| 18:54:54 | * | Tomas2 is away: etaning |
| 18:54:56 | Tomas2 | *eating |
| 18:55:47 | amiconn | Anyway, for some reason, whenever I try to get used to linux a little more, and try to get it running 100%, I spend hours and hours searching the web how to get this or that piece of hardware running. |
| 18:55:52 | amiconn | This is simply annoying. |
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| 18:56:17 | preglow | try knoppix |
| 18:56:24 | preglow | i haven't had hardware trouble with linux for years |
| 18:56:28 | * | [IDC]Dragon steps in for a quick visit |
| 18:56:43 | fuzzie | my wifi card doesn't work under linux. that's the only trouble i have. |
| 18:56:52 | fuzzie | big showstopper, though. |
| 18:56:52 | preglow | these days i actually have to do more work to get my hardware to work in windows |
| 18:56:59 | preglow | need drivers for my raid controller |
| 18:58:22 | amiconn | For instance, I did not yet manage to get AVM Bluefritz (ISDN over bluetooth) running in SuSE 9.2. It is properly detected, and configured with yast, but it simply doesn't work until now. |
| 18:59:36 | amiconn | One step is already solved; I had to manually enter the AP's password in a config file. Ouch, why is that? This is stone-age! |
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| 19:00:24 | amiconn | For some reason, it still doesn't work, although it connects to the AP now. |
| 19:00:31 | preglow | never tried that |
| 19:00:41 | preglow | then again i've never tried suse |
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| 19:07:24 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: yesterday I've searched for our conversation about Ondio USB powerup with MMC inserted |
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| 19:07:36 | [IDC]Dragon | but faile to find it |
| 19:07:41 | [IDC]Dragon | failed |
| 19:07:54 | amiconn | Hmm, it obviously should be there |
| 19:08:06 | [IDC]Dragon | remember, the annoing prompt to remove the MMC |
| 19:08:10 | amiconn | But the basic idea is simple |
| 19:08:35 | amiconn | We "just" need to start monitoring usb before trying to mount the disks |
| 19:08:49 | [IDC]Dragon | I think we do |
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| 19:09:27 | Rick | #get banned |
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| 19:11:01 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Yeah, we do, but there are 2 problems (imho) |
| 19:11:52 | amiconn | (1) We start monitoring *immediately* before the disk mount, but maybe the usb thread takes a while to catch this, and then the present usb connection. Meanwhile the mount might already be done... |
| 19:13:11 | amiconn | (2) The check for inserted mmc is unconditional, i.e. it always prompts for removal of the mmc when usb is about to be acknowledged. It should not prompt if the card is not yet initialised (and hence not yet in spi mode) |
| 19:13:44 | amiconn | The question remains how reliable this info is... |
| 19:14:08 | amiconn | Maybe the problems is only (2) though |
| 19:15:18 | amiconn | Hmm. Actually problem (1) is very likely too. There is no yield() between usb_start_monitoring() and the disk mount... |
| 19:15:31 | [IDC]Dragon | we can insert one |
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| 19:16:16 | [IDC]Dragon | why should tCardInfo.initialized be unreliable? |
| 19:17:23 | amiconn | Because it's also a race. It gets set at the end of the init sequence, so the first step (switching to spi mode) might already been done and it still reads false... |
| 19:17:56 | preglow | i do however feel they should have mastered bloody cut and paste by now |
| 19:17:59 | preglow | that would have been great |
| 19:18:03 | HCl | blergh. |
| 19:18:07 | HCl | computers suck. |
| 19:18:12 | HCl | hi |
| 19:18:12 | preglow | HCl: why, indeed |
| 19:18:31 | HCl | i bought this 1gb of ram sodimm for my laptop about a month ago |
| 19:18:38 | [IDC]Dragon | it's only a rave if used within interrupt |
| 19:18:38 | HCl | and it has only worked right for 6 days. |
| 19:18:44 | HCl | i seriously hope i can demand my money back. |
| 19:18:45 | [IDC]Dragon | ...race |
| 19:18:53 | HCl | i think that by now. |
| 19:19:06 | HCl | i a) learned that ddr ram is shit slow and it barely speeds up my laptop at all |
| 19:19:13 | HCl | and b) i'd rather use the money to buy a samurai sword. |
| 19:19:25 | preglow | use them to buy good beer |
| 19:19:27 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: No. The init sequence uses sleep(), and hence yields |
| 19:19:34 | [IDC]Dragon | urgh |
| 19:19:35 | HCl | i don't drink beer. |
| 19:19:44 | HCl | all i drink thats alcoholic is sake |
| 19:19:47 | HCl | and now that you mentioned it. |
| 19:19:50 | HCl | i think i'll get some. |
| 19:19:51 | preglow | sake works |
| 19:19:53 | [IDC]Dragon | perhaps we should use the mutex there |
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| 19:20:03 | _aLF | hi |
| 19:20:06 | * | HCl has this uber prettyful sake set ^^ |
| 19:20:09 | HCl | afk :3 |
| 19:20:17 | preglow | i've just had about two bottles of it in my life, but it's pretty good |
| 19:20:47 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, but it's read within the tick |
| 19:20:51 | preglow | english style ales > *, though |
| 19:21:07 | [IDC]Dragon | reset, sorry |
| 19:21:22 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: The card init is called from within the transfer functions, and hence *is* protected by the mutex. However, this doesn't help if you simply read tCardInfo.initialized, since that read is not protected by the mutex |
| 19:23:45 | [IDC]Dragon | then we should set it early, before any yielding operation |
| 19:24:17 | [IDC]Dragon | or introduce another flag |
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| 19:26:24 | HCl | ugh. my flatmates are such shallow perverted jerks. |
| 19:26:42 | preglow | don't have too high hopes for humanity |
| 19:26:44 | * | HCl threw this porn calender of 2004 away that they hanged in the kitchen |
| 19:26:55 | HCl | they even dared to ask whats annoying about a porn calender in the kitchen. |
| 19:27:02 | preglow | hahaha |
| 19:27:03 | HCl | i swear. |
| 19:27:06 | HCl | they would've went |
| 19:27:09 | HCl | and gotten it out of the trash |
| 19:27:15 | HCl | if i hadn't dumped it way at the bottom of a dumpster |
| 19:27:21 | Bonkers | well of course you get rid of 2004 calendars by now .... |
| 19:27:34 | HCl | Bonkers: they took it out of the trash of other people. |
| 19:27:44 | Bonkers | heh |
| 19:27:50 | HCl | they're seriously pathetic. |
| 19:28:13 | HCl | and they dared to call me prude. lmao. if they only knew O.o; |
| 19:28:25 | HCl | anyways. |
| 19:28:29 | HCl | they're dumb. and annoying. |
| 19:28:31 | HCl | so whats up? |
| 19:28:52 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Then we would have to set it really early, in select_card just after checking for not initialised (line 170). This might break something, because the tCardInfo.initialized should only be set if the card was initialised successfully, i.e. reading and setting all parameters without errors |
| 19:28:57 | preglow | hunger's up |
| 19:29:38 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: That looks like another parameter is necessary... but then it would only be necessary for the MMC, not for the internal flash |
| 19:29:48 | * | Tomas2 is back |
| 19:31:16 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Actually, setting it that early wouldn't work, because this flag is checked again later on in the same function |
| 19:35:13 | Tomas2 | hm |
| 19:35:18 | Tomas2 | compile error in cygwin.. |
| 19:35:32 | Tomas2 | gcc version 3.3.3 (cygwin special) |
| 19:35:36 | Tomas2 | latest CVS |
| 19:35:44 | Tomas2 | MAKE in libwavpack |
| 19:35:53 | Tomas2 | In file included from bits.c:33: |
| 19:35:53 | Tomas2 | wavpack.h:497: error: parse error before '->' token |
| 19:35:53 | Tomas2 | wavpack.h:519: error: parse error before '->' token |
| 19:35:53 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Tomas2 |
| 19:35:53 | Tomas2 | wavpack.h:521: error: parse error before '->' token |
| 19:35:53 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 19:35:53 | Tomas2 | wavpack.h:525: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `value' |
| 19:35:54 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 19:35:54 | Tomas2 | wavpack.h:525: error: `bs' undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 19:35:56 | Tomas2 | wavpack.h:525: warning: data definition has no type or storage class |
| 19:35:58 | Tomas2 | wavpack.h:527: error: parse error before '->' token |
| 19:36:00 | Tomas2 | wavpack.h:529: error: parse error before '->' token |
| 19:36:00 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: ok, one bool then |
| 19:36:18 | Tomas2 | amiconn? you used cygwin before? |
| 19:36:31 | amiconn | I'm still using it |
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| 19:36:40 | Tomas2 | seen this error before? :) |
| 19:37:17 | amiconn | No. I had some parse errors, but not this one |
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| 19:37:55 | Tomas2 | I'll check it on real linux this evening... maybe it really is an error :) |
| 19:37:58 | amiconn | Current cvs should compile almost cleanly (some warnings are there - the same as with linux) |
| 19:39:41 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I just checked; a simple yield between usb_start_monitoring and the disk mount is not sufficient. Usb will only pickup the change in the next usb tick, then send an event to the usb queue, and then usb thread has the chance to pick it up when it's scheduled next |
| 19:40:19 | [IDC]Dragon | several yield()s ? |
| 19:40:40 | [IDC]Dragon | in the tick, sorry |
| 19:40:49 | [IDC]Dragon | then this won'r work |
| 19:41:06 | amiconn | I think a sleep() for several ticks is needed. Even then this is ugly, because it's a race |
| 19:41:38 | [IDC]Dragon | the HD models also have a problem here |
| 19:41:55 | amiconn | I don't think so |
| 19:42:11 | [IDC]Dragon | if the mount fails, they can only recover because the USB screen is called by the error handler |
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| 19:42:21 | amiconn | The race is there, yes, but it's not much of a problem |
| 19:42:37 | amiconn | Ah, yes |
| 19:43:10 | [IDC]Dragon | it would be nicer if USB is done first, in general |
| 19:43:28 | [IDC]Dragon | instead of through a backdoor |
| 19:43:29 | amiconn | Imho a clean soultion would be to make usb_start_monitoring() guarantee that it catches the usb connection before returning |
| 19:43:43 | [IDC]Dragon | yes |
| 19:43:51 | [IDC]Dragon | gotta run now |
| 19:43:57 | [IDC]Dragon | cu later |
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| 19:45:55 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
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| 20:10:26 | amiconn | preglow: r u there? |
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| 20:18:07 | preglow | yes |
| 20:19:37 | amiconn | I checked again... Bagder was right, both poll() and select() may be interrupted by a signal. |
| 20:20:25 | amiconn | But that usually doesn't happen, only when I tried implementing ticks with setitimer() it did |
| 20:20:33 | amiconn | (SIGALRM, obviously) |
| 20:21:18 | Bagder | http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Interrupted-Primitives.html |
| 20:21:33 | Bagder | if you want the gory details |
| 20:21:40 | amiconn | So using either poll() or select() is equivalent, only select() is a bit more difficult to set up (struct timeval instead of a simple parameter) |
| 20:22:30 | amiconn | On the other hand, I need to deal with struct timeval for gettimeofday() anyway, and all this is defined in sys/time.h, while poll() needs an additional header (sys/poll.h) |
| 20:23:03 | Bagder | ... not to mention that some systems don't have a good poll() |
| 20:23:20 | amiconn | Hmm, but they may also not have a good select() then? |
| 20:23:37 | Bagder | well, select() is much more portable than poll() |
| 20:23:45 | Bagder | poll() is a newer invension |
| 20:23:53 | preglow | i never even heard of poll() |
| 20:23:57 | amiconn | Okay, so I'll keep my select() then. |
| 20:24:15 | Bagder | poll() has no FD_SETSIZE issues |
| 20:24:30 | Bagder | which select() has |
| 20:24:35 | Bagder | but for our case it doesn't matter |
| 20:25:18 | amiconn | The remaining question is: is it necessary to check for premature return because of a signal? |
| 20:25:35 | Bagder | probably not |
| 20:25:45 | Bagder | add a comment about it and try without |
| 20:26:11 | amiconn | Well, I checked with a simple test plugin on cygwin, seems to run as intended |
| 20:34:05 | HCl | yawn. |
| 20:35:49 | Rick | What's shakin'? |
| 20:35:51 | Rick | no sign of markun? |
| 20:36:16 | Bagder | markun (~markun@bastards.student.utwente.nl) signed off 22 hours and 25 minutes ago |
| 20:36:22 | Rick | ah |
| 20:36:47 | Bagder | (as "/MSG logbot seen markun" told me) |
| 20:37:03 | Rick | Hmm, never noticed Logbot before |
| 20:37:05 | Rick | nifty |
| 20:37:24 | Bagder | its "he" who makes the IRC logs |
| 20:38:03 | Rick | ah |
| 20:38:09 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:38:19 | amiconn | Bagder: Btw, it seems logbot is unable to 'explain' anything since your server upgrade |
| 20:38:34 | HCl | i should've brought my usb cable for my iriver after all.. |
| 20:38:49 | Bagder | zagor's in charge of the bot |
| 20:38:52 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 20:38:52 | * | HCl finds himself bored and unable to develop :/ |
| 20:39:10 | Bagder | I only wrote it ;-) |
| 20:39:56 | Rick | HCl: Go steal someone's digicam cable ;P |
| 20:40:11 | HCl | :p |
| 20:40:20 | Rick | I keep my iriver cable in my backup |
| 20:40:39 | Rick | and I use one that came from a digicam that's "permanently" affixed to my computer |
| 20:40:40 | Rick | ;P |
| 20:42:09 | Rick | makes things easy ;) |
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| 20:55:43 | preglow | Bagder: what's it written in? |
| 20:55:57 | Bagder | C |
| 20:56:05 | preglow | i've made a sexy bot in perl |
| 20:56:11 | preglow | i bet it's fewer lines :) |
| 20:56:16 | Bagder | heh |
| 20:56:36 | Bagder | well, I started mine back in... 1994/95 |
| 20:56:42 | Bagder | I didn't know perl then |
| 20:56:49 | preglow | haha |
| 20:57:08 | preglow | i had probably never been on irc then |
| 20:57:34 | Bagder | it was a different time |
| 20:57:47 | Bagder | just a few irc networks |
| 20:58:11 | preglow | i can imagine |
| 20:58:18 | preglow | i frequented bbs's those days, i think |
| 20:58:22 | preglow | might just have been starting out |
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| 21:00:25 | Bagder | the bot was written as a defence bot mainly |
| 21:00:41 | preglow | takeover protection? |
| 21:00:48 | Bagder | yes |
| 21:00:58 | Seed | I was in undernet in 94-95 |
| 21:01:00 | preglow | takeovers i don't miss |
| 21:01:16 | Seed | no flash, no banners, no pop-ups.. the good times |
| 21:01:24 | Bagder | hehe |
| 21:01:48 | Bagder | and Mosaic |
| 21:01:56 | Seed | AMosaic for me |
| 21:05:17 | preglow | telix.exe |
| 21:05:20 | preglow | :) |
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| 21:05:50 | Tomas|laptop | hi :) |
| 21:06:41 | Bagder | evening |
| 21:07:39 | Seed | I had a 68020 then |
| 21:07:47 | Seed | browsing was slow as hell. ISP only supported 14.4 |
| 21:08:00 | Bagder | I had a 68030 |
| 21:08:23 | Bagder | but I did most programming on sunos |
| 21:08:35 | Bagder | on sparc |
| 21:08:37 | Seed | I had several Amigas |
| 21:09:10 | amiconn | Seed: I still have one, working |
| 21:09:24 | Bagder | I gave away mine, working ;-) |
| 21:10:49 | Tomas|laptop | amiconn? my simulator sill isn't working.. |
| 21:11:01 | Tomas|laptop | it starts, and I can browse the menu's |
| 21:11:10 | Tomas|laptop | but the "browse plugins" option isn't working |
| 21:11:52 | amiconn | What does it do? |
| 21:12:14 | Tomas|laptop | when I press the right button it just doesn't do anything... |
| 21:12:23 | Tomas|laptop | and no error's in console... |
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| 21:13:26 | amiconn | That's usually a sign that archos/.rockbox/rocks isn't there |
| 21:13:33 | Bagder | hey, its a hardeep! |
| 21:13:41 | hardeep | hey guys |
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| 21:14:20 | Tang | hi |
| 21:14:20 | hardeep | nice work on the iriver port, looking good =) |
| 21:14:32 | hardeep | i just ordered an H120 :) |
| 21:14:35 | Tomas|laptop | amiconn: tnx |
| 21:14:48 | Bagder | hardeep: that's a spirit I like! |
| 21:14:52 | Tomas|laptop | the .rock files were in archos/.rockbox |
| 21:15:11 | hardeep | i got a question about the tag database design |
| 21:15:34 | Tang | I :) |
| 21:15:43 | Bagder | hardeep: that is mostly Zagor's work, I believe |
| 21:15:43 | hardeep | if an album is split between multiple directories, should it still show up as only one album in the album view? |
| 21:15:58 | amiconn | Tomas|laptop: That's strange. 'make install' should put them in archos/.rockbox/rocks and archos/.rockbox/viewers, respectively |
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| 21:16:18 | hardeep | 'cause it currently doesn't |
| 21:16:26 | Tang | bye good work |
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| 21:16:35 | Tang | :) |
| 21:16:50 | Bagder | hardeep: I think there are a few known problems that Zagor is aware of and intends to fix |
| 21:16:54 | Tomas|laptop | amiconn: next error.. it gives a seg fault when loading a plugin :S |
| 21:16:57 | hardeep | Bagder: ah, okay, cool |
| 21:17:09 | hardeep | i just installed it for the first time, was very cool =) |
| 21:17:48 | Tang | (sorry i've to go earlier |
| 21:17:52 | Tang | cheers) |
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| 21:23:19 | Bagder | fun site: http://www.arrowasia.com.hk/en/arrowtimes/techwatch.html |
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| 21:25:43 | preglow | hmm |
| 21:25:59 | preglow | that emac mention gave me an idea i've forgotten to try |
| 21:26:06 | amiconn | Hmm. I was just looking for irivers on ebay germany. It seems H-140s are not very common, and H1xxs are more expensive than H3xxs |
| 21:26:21 | preglow | amiconn: well, they're not in production any more |
| 21:26:59 | amiconn | There is quite a number of H120s, H320s and H340s, only the H140 seems to be rare |
| 21:27:21 | amiconn | There is also a H-100 (10 GB). I wonder about the differences |
| 21:27:33 | Bagder | 16mb ram |
| 21:27:37 | Stryke` | i thought also a H-110 (perhaps 15 GB) |
| 21:27:39 | amiconn | Another thing: There are silver and black H120s |
| 21:28:00 | preglow | yes |
| 21:28:02 | amiconn | Bagder: Is that the only difference? |
| 21:28:05 | preglow | us h120s are black, i think |
| 21:28:10 | preglow | mine's silver, at least |
| 21:28:15 | Bagder | amiconn: as far as we know for now |
| 21:28:17 | amiconn | http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=47624&item=3877883989&rd=1 <== H100 |
| 21:29:37 | Bagder | Linus has been trying to get his hands on one to dissect and check closer |
| 21:30:16 | Rick | the silver H120 is the euro one is it not? |
| 21:30:21 | Rick | that is what I am told anyway |
| 21:31:07 | Rick | I remember reading it on the iriver forums ages ago |
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| 21:31:22 | amiconn | Rick: From reading a bit further, it seems so. There's another offer of a black H120, and it says "american version" |
| 21:31:34 | Bagder | I have a black h140 |
| 21:31:37 | Rick | but |
| 21:31:39 | Rick | then again |
| 21:31:44 | Stryke` | i have a black H120 |
| 21:31:51 | HCl | a black 120...? |
| 21:31:53 | Rick | what differences does the chinese/japanese H1x0's? |
| 21:31:57 | HCl | i didn't know they existed... |
| 21:32:02 | Rick | HCl: yes, I have one |
| 21:32:05 | Rick | I want the silver one :( |
| 21:32:17 | preglow | and i don't care :P |
| 21:32:20 | Rick | hehe |
| 21:32:26 | Rick | I think the silver ones look neater at least |
| 21:33:00 | Stryke` | http://akiba.sorobangeeks.com/review_pics/13/13_3.jpg <- black 120 |
| 21:33:38 | Rick | yep |
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| 21:33:40 | Rick | that's what I have |
| 21:33:57 | Stryke` | as do i, though i havent seen the actual player since i got my iskin |
| 21:34:19 | Rick | iskin? |
| 21:34:29 | Stryke` | 3rd party case |
| 21:34:38 | Rick | ah |
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| 21:43:22 | preglow | Bagder: i just did a naive emac remplimentation of mad_f_mul, actually gained just a tiny bit of extra performance |
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| 21:44:59 | Bagder | nice |
| 21:45:05 | Bagder | every little gain is goodness |
| 21:46:46 | Rick | Thank you for shopping at iriver America! We are happy to report that |
| 21:46:46 | Rick | your order, number xxx, was shipped on 3/7/2005. To view further |
| 21:46:46 | Rick | details regarding this order, please visit your order status page |
| 21:46:48 | Rick | wohoo :) |
| 21:49:42 | Rick | hopefully UPS won't kill it |
| 21:49:42 | Rick | ;P |
| 21:53:50 | Stryke` | what was ordered? |
| 21:53:57 | Rick | I ordered a new remote for my h120 |
| 21:54:03 | Rick | (managed to break mine ;P) |
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| 21:59:09 | XShocK | hi, does anyone have any problems with IRC? |
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| 22:00:43 | Bonkers | no? |
| 22:01:14 | XShocK | tried to connect to around 5 freenode servers, lookup failed |
| 22:01:37 | preglow | i'm having some dns funkiness here as well |
| 22:04:56 | XShocK | if i write or read one sector of data from disk and continue reading or writing, will be automatically go to next sector? |
| 22:05:00 | Bonkers | oh, I haven't reconnected in a while |
| 22:05:08 | XShocK | from what i understood it is |
| 22:06:42 | * | preglow misses his beer |
| 22:08:13 | XShocK | i just don't really understand why in ata.c when writing it tries to write it call copy_write_sector function by SECTOR_SIZE blocks. Does the disk need a time to go to next block or what? |
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| 22:12:34 | Tomas|laptop | hm.. when building simulator not everything get's copied? |
| 22:12:50 | Tomas|laptop | rockboy for example isn't in my simulator build... |
| 22:13:00 | Rick | rockboy isn't sim compatible |
| 22:13:05 | Rick | or at least I think so |
| 22:13:09 | Tomas|laptop | ok.. |
| 22:13:10 | amiconn | It is, and it should |
| 22:13:17 | Rick | I stand corrected |
| 22:13:32 | amiconn | (if you build an iriver sim or any archos recorder sim) |
| 22:13:34 | Tomas|laptop | hm... last CVS version again... make install done, but rockboy folder is empty |
| 22:13:46 | amiconn | ? |
| 22:14:14 | amiconn | The rockboy in /.rockbox folder is created *by* rockboy, and holds savegames etc |
| 22:14:40 | Tomas|laptop | I copied the rockboy.rock to the rocks folder |
| 22:14:51 | Tomas|laptop | think that create's the folder |
| 22:14:57 | Tomas|laptop | but it quits with a seg fault |
| 22:15:13 | Tomas|laptop | so I think just copying the file isn't the right way :) |
| 22:15:15 | amiconn | rockboy.rock should be in /.rockbox/viewers |
| 22:15:33 | amiconn | ...and you then start it by *playing* a gameboy rom file |
| 22:15:56 | amiconn | If it crashes by starting it directly, you have found a bug |
| 22:16:11 | Tomas|laptop | yeah, it seg faults when you start it without a rom |
| 22:16:19 | amiconn | It should simply exit in that case, perhaps with an error message telling you what's wrong |
| 22:16:40 | Tomas|laptop | well.. then I found a bug :) |
| 22:17:04 | amiconn | me fix... |
| 22:17:09 | Tomas|laptop | in simulator it crashes... |
| 22:19:24 | amiconn | Win32 sim too... |
| 22:21:14 | Tomas|laptop | how do I just "open" a rom file? |
| 22:21:34 | Rick | browse to the directory that it's in |
| 22:21:48 | Tomas|laptop | k |
| 22:21:53 | Rick | and select it |
| 22:22:09 | Tomas|laptop | eh... how to get in filemanager? I don't have a numpad here... |
| 22:22:46 | Rick | ? |
| 22:22:53 | Rick | it's the default thing that is started up |
| 22:22:58 | Rick | in the non-sim at least |
| 22:22:59 | Rick | ;p |
| 22:23:03 | Tomas|laptop | no files listed there... |
| 22:23:29 | amiconn | You need to set 'file view' to 'supported' or 'all'. |
| 22:23:37 | amiconn | It's set to 'music' by default |
| 22:23:39 | Tomas|laptop | ok |
| 22:24:05 | amiconn | You may enter the menu either with the numpad '.", or insert (iriver sim) |
| 22:24:45 | Tomas|laptop | yeah, i don't have a numpad |
| 22:24:50 | Tomas|laptop | did it with insert |
| 22:24:54 | Tomas|laptop | now it shows the file |
| 22:25:25 | amiconn | Now just 'play' the file |
| 22:25:39 | amiconn | iriver sim: numpad 5 or just space |
| 22:25:53 | Tomas|laptop | yeah, RIGHT works too |
| 22:26:04 | amiconn | Ah, yes of course |
| 22:26:08 | Tomas|laptop | another bug... it crashes when loading an invalid file |
| 22:26:40 | amiconn | Get a valid one ;) |
| 22:27:27 | Tomas|laptop | yeah, you have a good rom site? |
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| 22:28:53 | amiconn | ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/ |
| 22:31:20 | Tomas|laptop | ah HCL's site |
| 22:31:32 | amiconn | yup |
| 22:31:35 | geoff_o | Question for everyone: does anyone reconize the DSP chip/core name "EPICS7A"? |
| 22:31:58 | Rick | did you ask google? |
| 22:31:59 | Rick | ;P |
| 22:32:01 | geoff_o | I've searched the web, but can't find any reference to it. (Found the term originally in Philip's documentation.) |
| 22:32:06 | * | geoff_o nods |
| 22:32:36 | * | geoff_o wonders if it's related to the PIC microcontroller family. |
| 22:33:25 | geoff_o | The only other information I have for it is it's a 24-bit DSP. (PIC only advertised 16-bit DSPs on its website.) |
| 22:35:00 | Rick | File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML |
| 22:35:00 | Rick | ... 24bit Epics7a DSP. -UltraBass?. ?. LFBGA208. ??????????DSP ... |
| 22:35:00 | Rick | EPICS7A DSP. CORE. 70MHz. I2S/SPDIF. I2S/SPDIF ... |
| 22:35:00 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Rick |
| 22:35:00 | Rick | www.tomen-ele.co.jp/products/ten/ten109/PHILIPS.PDF - Similar pages |
| 22:35:05 | Rick | no info in that? |
| 22:35:06 | Rick | ;O |
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| 22:38:11 | Tomas|laptop | amiconn: interesting one... I downloaded MARIO1.GB from that site... and it seg faults when loaded here |
| 22:38:14 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:38:28 | Tomas|laptop | We open the real file 'archos/.rockbox/viewers.config' |
| 22:38:28 | Tomas|laptop | We open the real file 'archos/mario.gb' |
| 22:38:28 | Tomas|laptop | Segmentation fault |
| 22:40:03 | amiconn | Hmm. That's on linux? |
| 22:40:15 | Tomas|laptop | jep |
| 22:43:13 | amiconn | Hmm. Perhaps your compiler doesn't define LITTLE_ENDIAN? |
| 22:43:46 | amiconn | I got this on cygwin as well. |
| 22:44:03 | Tomas|laptop | gcc 3.3.4 |
| 22:44:24 | Tomas|laptop | build voor m68k-elf |
| 22:44:33 | amiconn | ? |
| 22:44:46 | Tomas|laptop | the iriver version... |
| 22:44:56 | Tomas|laptop | you need a gcc compiled with −−target=m68k |
| 22:45:12 | amiconn | The host gcc is most likely different, and that's what's used for the simulators |
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| 22:45:53 | Tomas|laptop | gcc version 3.4.2 20041017 |
| 22:45:58 | Tomas|laptop | is the host one |
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| 22:46:48 | geoff_o | Rick: yeah.. I don't seen any reference to it outside of philips publications. Maybe it's a philips chip.. |
| 22:48:19 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 22:48:19 | * | Rick nods |
| 22:50:38 | * | Tomas|laptop is going to watch some tv and sleep |
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| 23:05:53 | Tomas2 | Hi LinusN |
| 23:06:49 | preglow | coffeecoffeecoffe |
| 23:06:50 | preglow | e |
| 23:07:45 | Tomas2 | lol |
| 23:07:51 | Tomas2 | what time is it over there? |
| 23:08:00 | preglow | 11:07pm |
| 23:08:07 | XShocK | hi Linus |
| 23:08:09 | Tomas2 | ok, same as here |
| 23:08:13 | DMJC | nished |
| 23:08:13 | DMJC | DMJC it's awesome |
| 23:08:13 | DMJC | Jumper_01 dude you guys are on /. |
| 23:08:13 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK DMJC |
| 23:08:13 | DMJC | DMJC sic |
| 23:08:13 | DMJC | Jumper_01 http://games.slashdot.org/games/05/03/07/1154252.shtml?tid=202&tid=156&tid=10 |
| 23:08:14 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 23:08:14 | DMJC | Zaarin DMJC: what did you do on the remake? |
| 23:08:18 | DMJC | DMJC talons baby |
| 23:08:20 | DMJC | DMJC talons |
| 23:08:21 | Tomas2 | tought it was morning or something ;) |
| 23:08:22 | DMJC | Reliant I was wondering, is my setup & menu stuff still in there? :) |
| 23:08:24 | DMJC | DMJC I textured em |
| 23:08:26 | DMJC | whoops.. |
| 23:08:28 | DMJC | click that link... |
| 23:08:29 | preglow | DMJC: what up |
| 23:08:47 | DMJC | a 5 year game project I was working on got finished yesterday and slashdotted |
| 23:09:01 | DMJC | the wing commander: privateer remake in vegastrike |
| 23:12:11 | Soul_Eater | cool |
| 23:12:22 | Soul_Eater | wing commander? That's the name of a 90s game |
| 23:13:30 | Tomas2 | It's a remake |
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| 23:13:57 | mirak | helllo |
| 23:13:58 | Soul_Eater | aha. cool |
| 23:14:07 | Tomas2 | lo |
| 23:14:20 | mirak | rockbox is for iRiver or Archos ? |
| 23:14:25 | Soul_Eater | It's for the Archos |
| 23:14:29 | Soul_Eater | and being made for the iRiver |
| 23:14:33 | mirak | ? |
| 23:14:36 | mirak | ok |
| 23:14:50 | mirak | I plan to buy a mp3 player |
| 23:14:55 | Tomas2 | iRiver port is booting and playing games.. but not jet playing music |
| 23:14:58 | mirak | I am mostly interested in recording features |
| 23:15:06 | Tomas2 | Then you should take iRiver... |
| 23:15:10 | mirak | ah ? |
| 23:15:11 | Tomas2 | it hat optical input |
| 23:15:12 | mirak | really ? |
| 23:15:18 | Tomas2 | and volume control for recording |
| 23:15:25 | Tomas2 | and it can record to mp3 directly.. |
| 23:15:27 | mirak | not the Archos ? |
| 23:15:34 | Tomas2 | don't know... I have an iRiver |
| 23:15:38 | mirak | ok |
| 23:15:39 | Tomas2 | use it for guitar recording a lot.. |
| 23:15:41 | mirak | is there an |
| 23:15:48 | mirak | ok that's for what I am interested |
| 23:15:52 | mirak | for recording gigs |
| 23:15:55 | mirak | or concerts |
| 23:16:05 | mirak | do you use an external mic ? |
| 23:16:09 | Soul_Eater | you can |
| 23:16:11 | Soul_Eater | you dont have to |
| 23:16:14 | Soul_Eater | the iRiver has a mic |
| 23:16:24 | mirak | the mic is good enough to record live ? |
| 23:16:24 | Tomas2 | No, connect it directly to the mixing pannel... and record the final output |
| 23:16:28 | Tomas2 | but it has a build in mic.. |
| 23:16:32 | Rick | heh |
| 23:16:34 | Tomas2 | and an external mic. connector |
| 23:16:36 | Rick | I like the built-in mic more |
| 23:16:46 | mirak | is it good to record under the t shirt |
| 23:17:00 | mirak | ok I don't know how to tranlsate this expression :) |
| 23:17:00 | Tomas2 | well.. you get a mic with it, wich you can clip on something |
| 23:17:02 | Rick | I use it for recording class lectures at college |
| 23:17:03 | Tomas2 | very small |
| 23:17:08 | Rick | very usefull |
| 23:17:30 | mirak | and how is it for live groups when you record from the audience ? |
| 23:17:32 | Tomas2 | mirak: I speak a _LITTLE_ french |
| 23:17:41 | mirak | Tomas2: enregistrer sous le manteau |
| 23:17:47 | mirak | it's the expression |
| 23:17:52 | Tomas2 | Recording from the public> |
| 23:17:56 | mirak | for pirate recording |
| 23:18:00 | Tomas2 | yes |
| 23:18:12 | Tomas2 | It's possible |
| 23:18:15 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 23:18:29 | mirak | is it small enough to be hidden ? |
| 23:18:37 | mirak | I don't know if they do corporal search |
| 23:18:47 | Tomas2 | well.. it's not that small.. |
| 23:18:53 | Tomas2 | you can easily hide it in you pocket |
| 23:18:53 | mirak | I want something small enough to fit it in my anus |
| 23:18:56 | Tomas2 | lol |
| 23:18:59 | Soul_Eater | haha |
| 23:19:01 | Tomas2 | no change |
| 23:19:04 | Soul_Eater | well you could i guess |
| 23:19:06 | mirak | lol |
| 23:19:13 | Tomas2 | or you must be gay... |
| 23:19:18 | Tomas2 | and have a very active boyfriend :P |
| 23:19:29 | mirak | no I am not gay |
| 23:19:32 | mirak | I like jokes |
| 23:19:37 | Tomas2 | well... then it wont fit :P |
| 23:19:42 | mirak | ok :) |
| 23:19:54 | mirak | what is the reference of this iRiver product ? |
| 23:19:57 | mirak | the name |
| 23:19:59 | Tomas2 | it's the width of a cigaret pack... |
| 23:20:08 | mirak | I don't smoke |
| 23:20:11 | Tomas2 | and the height of a gsm... |
| 23:20:13 | Soul_Eater | i bet it could fit |
| 23:20:17 | Soul_Eater | if you have a big asshole |
| 23:20:19 | mirak | I don't phone |
| 23:20:22 | Tomas2 | lol |
| 23:20:25 | mirak | ok that's no true |
| 23:20:27 | Tomas2 | iets iRiver H120 |
| 23:20:32 | mirak | ok I google |
| 23:20:55 | mirak | well in the slip it could be ok |
| 23:21:01 | mirak | they don't touch the balls |
| 23:21:03 | XShocK | 120 is 20gb hard drive. h140 and h100 are 40 and 10 respectively |
| 23:21:05 | mirak | when they search |
| 23:21:14 | mirak | 20 is ok I think |
| 23:21:25 | mirak | I myself don't have more than 40G mp3 |
| 23:21:36 | mirak | does it support ogg ? |
| 23:21:41 | Tomas2 | http://img5.exs.cx/img5/5045/IMG_0728.jpg |
| 23:21:46 | Tomas2 | yes it supports ogg |
| 23:21:51 | Tomas2 | check that picture |
| 23:21:58 | Tomas2 | it's next to a well known phone |
| 23:22:09 | mirak | I have almost the same phone |
| 23:22:17 | mirak | mine is a bit older |
| 23:22:19 | mirak | 3310 |
| 23:22:46 | Tomas2 | the picture is from a french site |
| 23:22:50 | Tomas2 | guess you can read it :P |
| 23:22:50 | Tomas2 | http://www.generationmp3.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=8256&st=0&#entry131289 |
| 23:23:04 | Tomas2 | I have no clue what it's about... but it look's like a review |
| 23:26:30 | mirak | there is a tie mic |
| 23:26:34 | mirak | ? |
| 23:26:52 | | Part hubble |
| 23:27:09 | mirak | Tomas2: what is the utility of optical in/out ? |
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| 23:27:50 | Bonkers | quite a long review |
| 23:28:08 | Tomas2 | mirak: high quality in- and output |
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| 23:28:23 | Tomas2 | and there is a tie mic.. |
| 23:28:27 | Tomas2 | I got it with mine |
| 23:29:01 | Tomas2 | the optical in/out is usable for dvd players.. and professional recording studio's |
| 23:29:08 | mirak | ok |
| 23:29:16 | mirak | the boot time seems long |
| 23:29:32 | Tomas2 | depends... |
| 23:29:35 | mirak | the firmware is only in ram or on a hd partition ? |
| 23:29:39 | mirak | in pram |
| 23:29:40 | Tomas2 | only ram |
| 23:29:44 | mirak | ok |
| 23:29:54 | Tomas2 | I don't use the database feature... and defragment it once in a while... |
| 23:30:01 | mirak | I guess some genius will be able to make it boot on hard drive |
| 23:30:03 | Tomas2 | it starts in about 4 to 5 seconds |
| 23:30:14 | Tomas2 | yeah, rockbox is booting from harddrive ;) |
| 23:30:24 | Tomas2 | the genius is LinusN who wrote the bootloader |
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| 23:31:50 | Tomas2 | ok, started mine now... almost full.. and not defragmented for some months.. booted in 11 secs |
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| 23:32:08 | mirak | Tomas2: it's a nick |
| 23:32:15 | mirak | or linus torvald ? |
| 23:32:19 | preglow | haha |
| 23:32:19 | mirak | :-? |
| 23:32:25 | bg_ | mine takes almost a minute to boot |
| 23:32:28 | preglow | there are other people named linus, you know |
| 23:32:33 | Soul_Eater | Got an Rbx config question |
| 23:32:37 | bg_ | i use the db feature and have about 30gigs of mp3s |
| 23:32:45 | mirak | preglow: not in france ;) |
| 23:32:51 | Tomas2 | mirak: his real name is Linus Nielsen |
| 23:32:55 | mirak | ok |
| 23:33:03 | mirak | that's probably like Jean Paul there |
| 23:33:04 | preglow | no, i expect most linus's are found in sweden/finland |
| 23:33:11 | HCl | mrf |
| 23:33:14 | HCl | hello |
| 23:33:17 | Tomas2 | hi |
| 23:33:27 | mirak | how about the autonomie ? |
| 23:33:32 | Tomas2 | ghehe... I can't type linus... always becomes linux then backspace and s |
| 23:33:32 | mirak | the battery lenght |
| 23:33:42 | Tomas2 | 4x the ipod time :P |
| 23:33:45 | Tomas2 | 16 hours |
| 23:33:53 | Tomas2 | but i think shorter when you record a lot |
| 23:34:12 | mirak | so virtually, iRiver can read any open source sound codec |
| 23:34:20 | mirak | ? |
| 23:34:21 | Tomas2 | well... no.. |
| 23:34:30 | mirak | no ? |
| 23:34:31 | Tomas2 | not FLAC and that kind of things |
| 23:34:35 | mirak | why ? |
| 23:34:39 | Bonkers | eventually it will for sure |
| 23:34:39 | HCl | you mean not yet. |
| 23:34:44 | DMJC | heh |
| 23:34:45 | Tomas2 | iRiver didn't implement it |
| 23:34:46 | Bonkers | flac already decodes in real-time |
| 23:34:48 | mirak | I mean in the futur |
| 23:34:51 | Tomas2 | but when rockbox is ready |
| 23:34:52 | Tomas2 | yes |
| 23:34:57 | DMJC | what is the iriver incapable of doing? |
| 23:34:59 | Bonkers | if the rockbox could play sound right now, it would play flac |
| 23:35:00 | mirak | ok, so I am very interested |
| 23:35:05 | HCl | playing divx video |
| 23:35:09 | mirak | divx ? |
| 23:35:11 | Soul_Eater | FLAC? |
| 23:35:11 | Tomas2 | AC3 :) |
| 23:35:20 | HCl | he asked what the iriver's incapable of doing. |
| 23:35:21 | Tomas2 | Soul_Eater: sound compression format |
| 23:35:27 | mirak | there is not a screen on the thing you showed me |
| 23:35:31 | HCl | well |
| 23:35:33 | bg_ | it wont do your laundry |
| 23:35:33 | DMJC | uh... I heard they were going to add ac3 |
| 23:35:39 | HCl | you can't use it as a rocket to the moon yet |
| 23:35:47 | DMJC | through optical out |
| 23:35:47 | mirak | HCl: the one with a screen |
| 23:35:47 | HCl | and you can't clean with it yet |
| 23:35:49 | mirak | HCl: coffe would be enough |
| 23:35:52 | HCl | and it won't solve the food problem. |
| 23:35:56 | Rick | It's not a HHGTTG :) |
| 23:35:58 | HCl | and um... |
| 23:36:01 | Tomas2 | mirak? screen? |
| 23:36:01 | Soul_Eater | like myfile.flac |
| 23:36:05 | Tomas2 | what do you mean? |
| 23:36:11 | mirak | Tomas2: he talks about divx |
| 23:36:17 | Tomas2 | ooooh |
| 23:36:32 | Tomas2 | it can play some video things in gray scale afaik |
| 23:36:35 | Tomas2 | but not divx |
| 23:36:37 | HCl | not yet. |
| 23:36:39 | mirak | lol |
| 23:36:56 | Tomas2 | wel... i don't think divx will be supported soon.. |
| 23:36:59 | mirak | how expensive is it ? |
| 23:37:05 | Tomas2 | that's one little problem ;) |
| 23:37:10 | mirak | in grayscal that's really not worth |
| 23:37:30 | mirak | and I don't have Steve austin eye |
| 23:38:00 | DMJC | rofl |
| 23:38:16 | DMJC | audigy 2 pcmcia has optical line in/out same way the iriver's do it |
| 23:39:50 | Tomas2 | yeah, my dvd player has it too... but I used it just once... to test iriver :) |
| 23:40:08 | mirak | my cable decoder have it too |
| 23:40:15 | mirak | but it's not activated/able |
| 23:41:10 | mirak | wow mp3 record up to 320kbps |
| 23:41:18 | mirak | I am really more and more interested |
| 23:41:29 | | Nick God`damn`EU is now known as Synaesthesia (~hans@zux166-181.adsl.green.ch) |
| 23:42:09 | DMJC | I wish logitech made a 7.1 speaker set |
| 23:42:15 | DMJC | their 5.1 sets are excellent |
| 23:42:28 | mirak | I have a megaworx 550 |
| 23:42:38 | mirak | it's powerfull |
| 23:42:49 | mirak | there is not much configuration possible |
| 23:42:50 | Tomas2 | DMJC: logitech rocks |
| 23:42:58 | Tomas2 | I have a Z-640 also 5.1 |
| 23:43:03 | Tomas2 | cheap... and really good |
| 23:43:33 | mirak | if you need optical things, logitech is the way |
| 23:43:47 | mirak | I didn't needed them |
| 23:44:05 | DMJC | z-640 is awesome |
| 23:44:15 | DMJC | as I was saying.. I wish they made 7.1 :( |
| 23:44:59 | Tomas2 | wich one do you have? |
| 23:45:12 | mirak | Tomas2: who ? |
| 23:45:17 | Tomas2 | DMJC |
| 23:45:48 | DMJC | altec lansing 4.1 |
| 23:45:59 | DMJC | their older speakers |
| 23:45:59 | | Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") |
| 23:46:20 | DMJC | been looking at upgrading for a while |
| 23:46:41 | DMJC | but I want a 7.1 set for my audigy 2 plat pro |
| 23:47:14 | mirak | Tomas2: can you do sport with it ? |
| 23:47:31 | Tomas2 | with iriver? |
| 23:47:36 | mirak | DMJC: there is the cambridge mega work 7.1 |
| 23:47:38 | mirak | worx |
| 23:47:40 | mirak | Tomas2: yes |
| 23:47:44 | Tomas2 | well... I do run with my dog with it... |
| 23:47:48 | mirak | lol |
| 23:48:02 | Tomas2 | but i don't tennis with it or something ;) |
| 23:48:10 | mirak | do you consider it's a problem to not be able to record radio ? |
| 23:48:11 | Tomas2 | it still is a harddisk... |
| 23:48:24 | Tomas2 | no, when do you ever want to record radio? |
| 23:48:32 | Bagder | mirak: rockbox will most likely fix that |
| 23:48:34 | mirak | when there is ads |
| 23:48:36 | mirak | I love ads |
| 23:48:40 | mirak | I love to record them |
| 23:48:41 | Tomas2 | my stereo can do that too... I never use it.. |
| 23:48:53 | mirak | I am kidding again |
| 23:49:06 | mirak | well, some time there is good jazz concerts on radio |
| 23:49:22 | DeadMan | http://www.btefnet.net/gettorrent/Dr.Who.S27E01.Rose.DVDScr.%5BBT%5D.torrent |
| 23:49:25 | mirak | Bagder: fix what ? |
| 23:49:30 | DeadMan | lol leaked 3 weeks ealry! |
| 23:49:33 | Bagder | mirak: record from radio |
| 23:49:35 | DeadMan | early even |
| 23:49:36 | LinusN | radio recording on the H1x0 might not sound all too good, rumours say that the radio receiver picks up interference from the hard drive |
| 23:49:41 | DeadMan | that's funny |
| 23:49:45 | Bagder | ah |
| 23:49:49 | mirak | Bagder: ok thanks |
| 23:49:59 | preglow | LinusN: well, there's bound to be reason why they disabled it. |
| 23:50:01 | Bagder | LinusN: how can they tell when it can't record from fm? |
| 23:50:08 | preglow | Bagder: it can |
| 23:50:10 | preglow | Bagder: iriver disabled it |
| 23:50:13 | DeadMan | those naughty BBC insiders. I wonder if there will be a witch hunt :) |
| 23:50:18 | Bagder | ? |
| 23:50:24 | HCl | what? radio recording? i thought it wasn't possible? |
| 23:50:25 | Bagder | they can but they can't? |
| 23:50:33 | preglow | should i have read the backlog or something? :V |
| 23:51:26 | Tomas2 | LinusN: how far is the radio code? is it possible to control it? |
| 23:51:29 | LinusN | the hardware allows recording from radio |
| 23:51:30 | preglow | paradoxes have to be accepted with iriver |
| 23:51:34 | HCl | sweet. |
| 23:51:45 | Soul_Eater | Got an Rbx config question. IMO, the way it looks in the archos screenshots, it seems incredibly cramped, everything is kinda shoved together |
| 23:51:47 | HCl | i wouldn't even care how bad it would sound |
| 23:51:52 | LinusN | Tomas2: we already have drivers for the radio chip, all we need to do is port them to the iriver |
| 23:51:57 | Soul_Eater | will the iriver config options not be as cramped? |
| 23:52:11 | | Nick Tomas2 is now known as TomasS (~Tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) |
| 23:52:11 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK TomasS |
| 23:52:17 | TomasS | damn in use... |
| 23:52:23 | | Nick TomasS is now known as TomasX (~Tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) |
| 23:52:23 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK TomasX |
| 23:52:26 | TomasX | :) |
| 23:52:28 | preglow | should be pretty easy to filter out the disk noise |
| 23:52:35 | preglow | unless the head activity bleeds over as well |
| 23:52:42 | TomasX | there are to much tomas's on this network :P |
| 23:52:49 | preglow | we'll have to see |
| 23:53:00 | LinusN | Soul_Eater: the iriver version will make use of the larger display, if that's what you mean |
| 23:53:33 | mirak | TomasX: how much did you bought it ? |
| 23:53:42 | TomasX | gift.. |
| 23:53:50 | TomasX | so Idon't know |
| 23:54:02 | bg_ | it will be nice when i dont have to wait 1 minute+ for my iriver to boot... |
| 23:54:04 | TomasX | but saw it on informatique.nl for about 300 euro's |
| 23:54:07 | mirak | do you want me to tell you ? TomasX ? |
| 23:54:12 | mirak | :) |
| 23:54:19 | mirak | ok |
| 23:54:30 | mirak | I am in euroland too |
| 23:54:31 | bg_ | TomasX: what model? |
| 23:54:36 | TomasX | H120 = 20 gb |
| 23:54:38 | mirak | I got a fake 2 euro coin |
| 23:54:45 | bg_ | for 300 euro? |
| 23:54:49 | | Quit midk_ ("Leaving") |
| 23:54:50 | mirak | it's weird |
| 23:54:59 | TomasX | don't know what it costs now? |
| 23:55:08 | bg_ | anyone know roughly what 300 euro is USD? |
| 23:55:13 | mirak | I can't use it in automatic distributors, but I am sure I can pay with it |
| 23:55:16 | TomasX | yeah... 300 / 1.3 |
| 23:55:26 | bg_ | i got my 140 for $440 |
| 23:55:31 | TomasX | eh 300 * 1.3 sorry |
| 23:55:36 | bg_ | ahh |
| 23:55:40 | TomasX | 390 dollars |
| 23:55:43 | TomasX | for a 120 |
| 23:55:46 | Rick | I got my 120 before the 140 came out |
| 23:55:47 | Bagder | 300 EUR (Germany Euro) = 397.287 USD (United States Dollar) |
| 23:55:48 | TomasX | begin this summer |
| 23:55:49 | Rick | for like $400 |
| 23:56:08 | bg_ | i got my 140 when they were brand spankin new |
| 23:56:19 | TomasX | I got it in june 2004... |
| 23:56:26 | bg_ | which was well over a year ago now and there really isnt anything better ouit |
| 23:56:27 | TomasX | so it's almost a year old |
| 23:56:35 | bg_ | unless your into stupid color displays with smaller HD's |
| 23:56:52 | Rick | lol |
| 23:57:02 | Rick | I want to get an h3x0 when rockbox is ported to it |
| 23:57:17 | Rick | has anyone messed with the PMPs? |
| 23:57:18 | bg_ | i guess, if you want mobile porn |
| 23:57:18 | TomasX | I have found a iHp-120 for 350 euro |
| 23:57:21 | DeadMan | No response to my Dr Who news. No fans then? It's a new series ya know :) |
| 23:57:23 | TomasX | 355 actually |
| 23:57:31 | TomasX | http://shop.informatique.nl/cgi-win/iqshop.xgi?M=I&A=430016 |
| 23:57:43 | TomasX | it was 300 last summer there... in a action.. |
| 23:58:05 | mirak | TomasX: http://www.materiel.net/details_H320SE.html is it an equivalent ? |
| 23:58:19 | TomasX | no |
| 23:58:25 | TomasX | that's with a color display |
| 23:58:41 | mirak | they don't sell h120 on my favorite online shop |
| 23:58:41 | TomasX | and a french text... |
| 23:58:46 | mirak | :) |
| 23:58:50 | Rick | lol |
| 23:59:01 | TomasX | Capacité disque dur : 20 Go |
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