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#rockbox log for 2005-03-08

00:00:03TomasXlike Capacité disque dur and go
00:00:13TomasXgerman's do that too..
00:00:18mirakcan you ensure it against rob ?
00:00:34TomasXno idea...
00:00:39TomasXcheck your local dealer?
00:00:47mirakTomasX: that's not a new word, that's a litteral translation
00:00:59TomasXyeah... in holland we just use the english word...
00:01:10TomasXbut it's 0:00
00:01:18TomasXand I got to get up at 6:30 tomorrow :X
00:01:20mirakwell here in france, they like to
00:01:22TomasXso i'm leaving
00:01:28mirakTomasX: it's 0:0 here too
00:01:34lolo-laptopwhat did I do?
00:01:37lolo-laptopyes, I have a H340
00:01:46mirakTomasX: bye thanks
00:01:47lolo-laptopbattery time ranges between 12 and 16 hours...
00:01:52 Quit TomasX ("cu tomorrow")
00:01:56miraklolo-laptop: recording is ok ?
00:01:57lolo-laptopwell 10 and 16 really
00:02:13lolo-laptopyeah, basically same as H1x0 just more available bitrates IIRC
00:02:26mirakit's 369€
00:02:35mirakthat's not ship
00:02:49lolo-laptopheh, I paid 500 for mine (international edition)
00:02:52mirakbut I prefer this than an iPod
00:03:13lolo-laptopthe H3x0 is thicker than H1x0 or ipod, something to be aware of
00:03:20mirakRecharge possible de la batterie possible par port USB
00:03:30mirakthis mean battery can be reloaded from usb
00:03:35Rickdoes it support a normal plug too?
00:03:37Rickfor power?
00:03:39lolo-laptopit is kinda slow via usb
00:03:49miraklolo-laptop: thicker ? what does this mean
00:03:49lolo-laptopthe standard adapter is 2000mA USB is only 500mA
00:03:59Rickmirak: a piece of paper vs a book
00:04:01 Part geoff_o ("Kopete 0.9.1 :")
00:04:11preglowlolo-laptop: it is 500mA in principle, i think you can easily draw more
00:04:12mirakRick: in wich sens ? ;)
00:04:22Rickmirak: paper is thin, book is not
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00:04:37lolo-laptoppreglow: yeah, but user reports say that depending on your USB port it charges significantly slower via USB
00:04:42mirakRick: it's newer
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00:04:45preglowyes, very probably
00:04:55preglowbut the current is almost certainly not restricted per port
00:04:59Rickthe button layout doesn't look too god on the h3x0
00:05:09miraklolo-laptop: I don't see a h120 on this website, maybe they choosed to sell the h320 instead
00:05:20lolo-laptopto me it is easier to use than the H1x0, but the lack of joystick is kinda killer
00:05:29lolo-laptopmirak: yeah, the H1 is discontinued
00:05:47miraklolo-laptop: ok, so I know now what I will buy
00:06:06mirakthe graphic card upgrade will wait ...
00:06:13 Quit matsl ("Leaving")
00:06:49lolo-laptopmirak: things to keep in mind: DRM is US only, USBOTG is international version only, you seem to be in france so I'm guessing you get the international version.
00:07:39mirakI don't give a shit about drm in fact
00:08:00miraklolo-laptop: you mean right managements right
00:08:09mirakthanks for the info though
00:08:28lolo-laptopmirak: yes
00:08:49Soul_EaterAren't there any open-source DRM playing progs?
00:08:53lolo-laptopjust warning, because some people have been burned by it.
00:09:32miraklolo-laptop: they can send me their useless material ;)
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00:11:13preglowanyone know if hd setup in irivers are dma capable?
00:11:19HClthey are
00:11:26HClxshock got dma running earlier today
00:11:31mirakanyone have a PMP ?
00:11:33HCldoesn't have it stable yet
00:11:53preglowi take it he doesn't have any comments on performance yet?
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00:12:04HClnot as far as i know
00:12:14HClnafaik, for short :3
00:12:15LinusNhe mentioned in the channel that it was somewhat faster
00:12:27preglowLinusN: might it not also consume slightly less power?
00:12:36LinusNi don't think it will make much of a difference
00:12:49preglowdifference, no
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00:14:12preglowamiconn_: you ended up not being able to get the mp3 conformance test software, yes?
00:15:40bg_how is rockboy coming?
00:15:41CtcpIgnored 3 channel CTCP requests in 44 minutes and 10 seconds at the last flood
00:15:41*preglow fondly watches his h120 decode an mp3 at 230% realtime
00:15:48preglow112kbps, though :/
00:15:57BonkersI thought I recall him saying that the reads were faster by a bit, but he had some anomoly where the writes were like half the speed
00:18:32mirakwill there be rockbox support for h320 ?
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00:19:18preglowmirak: probably
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00:19:34RickLet's knock down the h1x0 walls first
00:19:47preglowno, the more platforms the merrier!"¤"!¤!"
00:19:53BagderI believe the spanish people say something like "se que dio"
00:19:59Bagderif God wants
00:20:05*lolo-laptop shakes his fist: better support H3 :-P I'm pretty sure they will do it, cuz it is substantially the same hardware as the H1x0...
00:20:10preglowi feel we should leave god out of this
00:20:13Rickhow similar is h1x0 and h3x0 in terms of hardware?
00:20:27preglowRick: pretty similar
00:20:28lolo-laptopRick: see the hardware info pages on the wiki
00:20:42Ricklolo-laptop: pfft. I am just asking for a general description
00:20:50Rickor opinion, rather
00:20:53preglowspanish people kept me awake 'till 4:00 am yesterday, so let's not mention them
00:20:53Soul_EaterSo whats the reason why Rbx won't be able to play DRM files?
00:21:30 Quit jyp ("poof!")
00:21:36LinusNthe drm scheme is proprietary
00:21:43preglowSoul_Eater: same reason why no other opensource software can play drm files
00:22:02 Quit bg_ ("Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0+/20050201]")
00:22:04HCland its not allowed to reverse engineer it..?
00:22:05preglowwhich would be what linusn said
00:22:20Soul_Eaterthere arent any opensource DRM file-playing software?
00:22:24Soul_Eaterat all?
00:22:34RickI doubt it
00:22:38preglowyes, i think you are allowed to reverse engineer it, but not reimplement it in a way that can help people break the copy protection
00:22:43Rickbut i've seen tools that can convert them from their DRM
00:22:43preglowwhich will be very hard with open source software
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00:23:05preglowbut i'm on thin ice here
00:23:48HCli'm almost tempted to reverse engineer it and make it poop out unprotected mp3's or ogg's
00:23:51HClbut ok.
00:23:56HCli'm too lazy to anyways :x
00:24:07preglowtranscoding is evil
00:24:32preglowi'm not about to buy drm infested music any way, so i don't really care
00:24:41Rickpreglow: same
00:24:58HClnobody in their right mind
00:25:00HClwould buy drm
00:25:10HCland microsoft and crap are all trying to cover up what it really does
00:25:16Soul_Eatercheck this out
00:25:39preglowi don't even buy copy protected cd's
00:25:46preglowand i ordinarily buy all my music
00:25:58HCli don't buy my music.
00:26:02HCland if they'd force me to buy it.
00:26:05HCli'd record it off radio.
00:26:13HClmusic is about having fun and making music
00:26:15HClnot making money
00:26:50Soul_EaterI cant remember the last time I bought a cd. CDs have become obsolete imo
00:26:57preglowi've got tons of cds
00:27:01preglowa bunch of vinyl as well
00:27:05HCli only bought a music cd once.
00:27:15HCland it was of a small, unknown band that was good o.o
00:27:23preglowwell, if my buying music keeps the people who make good music making music
00:27:26preglowi'll buy it
00:27:29HClbut i ended up just copying it to mp3 and leaving the cd to dust
00:27:39preglowi'm not into top 20s stuff anyway
00:27:45HClits simply not practical for me to buy cds
00:27:45preglownot usually, that is, i listen to all kinds of music
00:27:48HClsince there's no point
00:28:16preglowand i like having my music on a physical medium
00:28:27preglowmy disk crashing is an annual event, and i hate starting over
00:28:37Ricki like cds as original medium too
00:28:41Rickbecause you can pick how you want to encode it
00:28:43HClyes. well.
00:28:46HClthe internet is my backup
00:28:51preglowvinyl is better :P
00:29:44preglowtoo bad i takes up room
00:30:53CtcpPing from preglow!
00:31:01*HCl yawns.
00:31:56HClcats are cute :x
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00:49:57LinusNnite Bagder
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00:52:14miraklolo-laptop: you have the normal or the SE version ?
00:55:32lolo-laptopNormal I think (normal comes with cradle and battery pack and all that, right)?
00:58:08preglowLinusN: if i need a .idata section in an asm file, do i need the progbits stuff for that as well?
00:58:26preglowLinusN: or something like it, at least
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01:04:13LinusNdon't know
01:04:40midksomeone say something if you can read this. :)
01:04:46preglowmidk: omglolmao
01:04:56LinusNpreglow: gcc -S and check the output
01:04:59midkhaha, thx. wondered if my connection died.
01:05:05preglowLinusN: duh, thanks
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01:05:36rasher ... uhm...
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01:13:41preglow"aw" is needed instaed of "ax", apart from that, the same
01:15:01DeadManpreglow how fast is 192kbps decoding?
01:15:42DeadManactually you may as well say Lame default settings
01:16:08DeadManas that is what I use most of the time
01:17:16preglowDeadMan: what is lame default? the few times i've encoded mp3s, i've used alt-preset
01:17:31DeadManalt-preset standard
01:17:58DeadManwhich is what you get if you don't add any arguments anyhow
01:18:03preglowahh, ok
01:18:16rasherI'm getting 40% on a 192kbps file
01:18:19DeadManI think it's 192k vbr
01:18:25rasherusing cvs rockbox
01:18:44preglowi'm getting around 200% with alt preset
01:18:48DeadManyeah but preglow has not added to cvs yet?
01:18:53DeadManoh ok :)
01:18:56preglowi've got a couple of things i haven't added
01:19:02rasherYou must have :)
01:19:04preglowi'm working on one of them right now
01:19:12preglowi can't bear to commit it in its current form
01:19:35DeadManwhen you are happy with it preglow hopefully someone can add an api and we are away! ;)
01:19:46rashernow if only linuxstb wasn't so busy..
01:19:56preglowthe api can happen independently
01:20:12DeadManjust need someone to make the codec output to iRiver :)
01:20:44rasherpreglow: are the optimizations easily transferable to other codecs?
01:20:52preglowrasher: in no way
01:21:04preglowthe codecs aren't very similar in how they do things
01:21:27preglowmp3 has the subband decomposition and several very small imdcts, vorbis just has one large imdct and some spectrum magic
01:21:35preglowflac is completely time domain
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01:21:55rasherthat made exactly no sense to me, but okay :)
01:22:23preglowdoesn't matter, as long as you see i didn't repeat the same three concepts :)
01:23:21Bonkerspreglow: flac is completely time domain? so how do they do better than (g/b)zip(2), just better guessing at how to compress?
01:23:41BonkersI guess it'd have to be time domain unless they have infinite precision fft stuff
01:23:49preglow192kbps is running at around 200% realtime as well
01:24:00preglowBonkers: they employ completely different methods
01:24:14BonkersI'd have to look at it sometime then I guess
01:24:15preglowflac uses signal processing, gzip and pals don't
01:24:21rasherBy the way, the rockbox forum's usage license is silly
01:24:29preglowin what way?
01:24:59preglowBonkers: lpc and rice coding is a pretty big part of flac
01:25:02rasher"You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which [...] or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law"
01:25:30*rasher shakes head
01:25:43preglowwell, i've agreed to stupider things
01:26:45rasherwhere's iriver grayscale patch living?
01:27:01rasherif it's in the tracker I will dig a large hole to hide in
01:27:03preglowsweet god, does anyone please want to optimize fastsdct in libmad for me?
01:27:16preglowi'm not built for this kind of thing
01:27:42rasherwell you seem to be doing well :)
01:28:33preglowi just sit picking at it
01:28:37preglowi can't seem to start
01:28:49preglowthe moment if written a couple of lines, i toss it away, thinking there's got to be a cleverer way
01:29:00preglowand fastsdct is pretty simple
01:29:23preglowrasher: the stuff i've done so far haven't exactly been hard
01:30:29LinusNtime to sleep
01:30:33rasherstill fairly effective
01:30:36LinusNnite all
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01:30:49HClrasher: on my ftp..
01:30:58HClrasher: there's a link to it from the rockboy page
01:31:11HCli don't guarantee anything though.
01:31:23HClits an un-cleanedup early version of markun
01:31:45preglowyes, thanks goodness, if it hadn't been effective, i would have given up long since
01:31:50HClso it might do horrid things like turn your iriver into a toaster or a blender
01:32:38*rasher has fun watching the io-ports debug screen react to remote-presses
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01:35:37rasherthe "turn" buttons don't appear to be constant
01:35:38HClmy kitty's snoring :x he's so cute :x
01:38:52rasherholding down the navi/menu button shows up as CE,but switches shortly to CF once in a while
01:39:53DeadManeasy to hit the wrong selection on the remote
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01:57:29kevinlaihi... i got a question about flashing the Archos player
01:57:43kevinlaiwho should i ask about the question???
01:59:28preglowjust ask
02:00:22kevinlaiafter i flash the player do i still need to keep the flash file in the player??
02:00:51kevinlaithe .bin file
02:00:53preglowi sincerely doubt it, but i don't have an archos
02:01:00kevinlaiand the ucl file roo
02:02:07kevinlaihm.... and how do i confirm if the flashing process is successful???
02:02:25Bonkersyou certainly don't need the .bin file
02:02:29kevinlaido i just turn off th eplayer and restart it back on???
02:02:38Bonkersya, restart it after you flashed the bin
02:02:50Bonkersif you also flashed a ucl, then when you restart it, it should boot rockbox directly in like 3 seconds total
02:03:03Bonkersif rockbox boots directly, then everything is peachy, you can even delete the ucl file if you want too
02:03:44kevinlaiyup... i see the different of booting the player without holding the "ON" button for few second
02:04:02Bonkersit should boot differently when you normally turn it on, just hit ON once
02:04:12Bonkersif you want to original firmware, hold F1 while turning it on
02:05:22*rasher adds freq-scaling support to mandelbrot.c for fun&profit
02:05:30mirakis there optical in/out on the H320 ?
02:05:45mirakiRiver H320
02:06:10kevinlaiic ... thank you ...
02:06:37mirakmy god, this online site as kept the ejb objects in memory for 3 weeks now !!
02:07:46preglowmirak: no
02:08:06mirakpreglow: it's a loss versus the H120
02:08:16mirakI mean H120 got them isn't it ?
02:09:38Bonkersmirak: it's amazing a j2ee site is still running after 3 weeks...
02:09:57mirakthe objects are probably swapped
02:10:15rasherthat sure sped up the mandelbrot plugin ^_^
02:10:16mirakbut well this means no reboot
02:10:37*rasher does the same to jpeg.c
02:10:40mirakI don't think they stored to database my cart
02:10:43kevinlaioh ya... after i flash the player do i still need to keep the archos.mod in the directory???
02:11:40mirakBonkers: the funny thing is that the price changed and are lower now.
02:11:49rasheroh dear, mandelbrot does something odd to the scale
02:12:21Bonkersmirak: oh, you meant your whole session still exists?
02:13:19mirakBonkers: It remembered what I put in the cart 3 weeks ago
02:13:29mirakit was still there
02:13:48mirakI didn't bought them
02:13:51Bonkersand it remembered the old prices for those products too?
02:14:06mirakit put the actual ones
02:14:15mirakthey are not robbers :)
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02:14:58Bonkersheh, so then the session probably contained only a shopping cart object which referenced the product objects
02:15:03mirakBonkers: well that's a nice feature in fact. It would be nice to have a report about the evolution of those prices
02:15:12Bonkerssessions can be persisted to disk thoguh
02:15:30mirakI have started to study j2ee at univ
02:15:35mirakbut not in depth
02:15:37Bonkersstop if you can
02:15:58mirakI will have a job with j2ee and datawarhousing
02:16:09mirakBonkers: stop what ?
02:16:15BonkersI worked on a j2ee website all summer, then at the end I actually ported it to just tomcat/servlets using hibernate and got rid of all the j2ee stuff
02:16:15mirakBonkers: I want my diploma :)
02:16:31Bonkersj2ee was so terrible for what we were doing at least
02:16:48mirakI am not the project director :)
02:16:57*rasher just finished a stupid uni project involving tomcat/servlets
02:17:08rasherI hope never to touch that again
02:17:19*mirak is in a group that have still not finished is univ project
02:17:22mirakwe are 7
02:17:58Bonkersrasher: to be honest, tomcat/servlets weren't too too terrible, but I'd still never use them if I had a choice
02:18:12mirakwe got 3 broken arms people, one very competent autistic developper, two competent lazy developper
02:18:13mirakand me
02:18:37mirakI think in fact we are 3 competent lazy developpers
02:19:21mirakBonkers: just focus on the money
02:20:31Bonkersmirak: heh, well if I can help it, I'd much rather work on graphics and games stuff
02:20:47BonkersI just did the j2ee stuff at an internship since it was the only job I could find for the summer
02:20:48mirakI did opengl project last year
02:20:51mirakat univ
02:21:02BonkersI'm working on a graphics project as we speak
02:21:10mirakBonkers: j2ee is good on the curriculum vitae
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02:21:38Bonkersmirak: I suppose, I've never taken a course in it, but I certainly know way more about it than any single course would teach by now
02:22:08 Quit cYmen ("zZz")
02:22:40mirakBonkers: yes. But employers prefer that you got some formal formation on the thing you will work on
02:22:57mirakfor exemple I got a proposition for a internship with perl
02:23:04mirakshe asked me if I knew perl
02:23:09mirakI said a bit
02:23:14 Quit kevinlai ("CGI:IRC")
02:23:25mirakin fact when you are at univ you can adpat very fast to langauges
02:23:34mirakso you can't say you are a specialist
02:23:40mirakbut you can be one very fast
02:23:57rasherI don't think you can be a specialist in anything fast
02:24:26mirakrasher: ok not a specialist
02:24:48mirakrasher: what I wanted to express, is that if you studied something at univ,
02:25:02mirakit's not long to recover
02:25:15mirakin case you did not followed the curse
02:25:43mirakbut they still believe that if it's written on your cv that you studied it
02:25:49mirakthey feel more secure
02:25:59mirakeven if you in fact suck at it
02:26:04mirakgood night
02:26:10Bonkersmirak: luckily I at least feel that I have enough experience to both show and convince any employer that I know what I'm talking about
02:26:14Bonkersnight though
02:26:55mirakwell for them what is important is to be convinced
02:27:10mirakif you can convince them, you will be able to convince their clients
02:27:36mirakeven if your compagny sucks as much as you suck in the thing you faked
02:27:38Bonkersya, I've already worked internships for 5 summers so I'll have quite a bit of experience by the time I graduate
02:27:47mirakyes that's good
02:28:00mirakI did not have much experience
02:28:08mirakwe will see
02:28:29mirakthe guy that recruited be felt confident about me
02:28:32mirakthat's the most important
02:28:51mirakhe think i am th right person for the internship
02:28:59mirakI will not contradict him
02:29:03Bonkersya, that's always good
02:33:42mirakthis time, I go to bed
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02:35:18XShocKnights all
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03:38:08Soul_Eateranyone know how to get gapless on winamp?
03:38:59rasheruse the directsound output plugin I think
03:39:06rasherand touch it in the right places
03:41:30Soul_Eaterwhere do i get that
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03:51:22kerobarosOi, how many people here use Audioscrobbler ( on a regular basis?
03:52:26kerobarosI just created a Audioscrobbler group for Rockbox users. URL:
03:54:40Soul_Eateri do
03:55:02Soul_Eaterwhat if im just a big fan of rbx
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03:57:11kerobarosSoul_Eater: it's open membership. Feel free.
03:57:18Soul_Eaterheh i joined
03:58:23RickI remember audioscrobbler
03:58:29Rickpointless statistic tracking thingy
04:01:49kerobarosIt's fun to play with, though.
04:01:57kerobarosGood to see you there, Soul_Eater.
04:02:41kerobarosAlright, I'm going to work again. Later, all.
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04:14:29alxcmhey, all
04:14:32alxcmwhat's up?
04:14:43Ricknot much
04:15:13*alxcm can't wait to run Rockbox on his iRiver
04:15:45*Rick already does
04:15:52alxcmoh really
04:15:56alxcmare you part of the devel team?
04:16:06Rickno, but I do dev
04:16:13Ricki'm working on a bunch of games myself
04:16:37*alxcm has an iRiver iHP-120, bought it a few weeks before the 140 came out
04:16:45alxcmwould that work well with Rockbox? how stable is it?
04:17:08Rickit's very stable (if you mean firmware)
04:17:20Rickrockbox is pretty stable but it needs to be improved
04:20:27alxcmwhat i mean stable is the iRiver port...i don't see it listed on the downloads page
04:20:32alxcmand does it support OGG yet?
04:22:00Soul_Eaterit doesnt play anything but WAVs
04:22:11rasherAnd not even that
04:22:28Rickand grayscale support is basically nonexistant
04:22:39Rick(well, markun's patch does it, but it's "really" slow)
04:23:15rasherThe hardware support for sound output is ready, but has not yet been included in rockbox
04:23:30Rickwhat about the remote lcd?
04:23:33Rick/ buttons
04:23:36Rickany progress on that?
04:23:44rasherButtons are ready
04:23:50rashernot yet reacted on though
04:24:04RickI noticed solitaire has an incorrect button
04:24:13Rickit uses a/b instead of record
04:24:24Rick(or the text is incorrect)
04:24:39rasherlet me check
04:25:11Rickit says 'rec' (which I assumed meant record)
04:25:25Rickand sokoban
04:25:34Rickwhen you go past level 100 it does some weird thing and then exits
04:25:40rasherI guess I'm responsible for that :\
04:25:44rasherthe solitaire thing
04:26:11rasherunless this was one of the changes from my patch to inclusion
04:26:22Rickwhich patch?
04:26:45rasheririver keybindings for solitaire
04:26:50Rickoh ;p
04:28:11rashertotally my fault
04:28:28Rickno worries
04:28:36Rickit just took me a second to figure out how to do it since it was mislabeled
04:31:24alxcmyou guys are awesome
04:31:37alxcmi wish i had the time to get seriously into embedded OS development
04:31:58Rickit's not hard
04:32:00alxcmi'm still a fledgling in C/C
04:32:06alxcm*C plus plus
04:32:13alxcmdarn cgi client
04:32:14rasherRockbox is 95% C
04:32:22rasher(rough estimate)
04:32:32Rickwhat's the other 5%? asm?
04:32:34*fuzzie watches someone have converted it to perl behind rasher's back
04:32:35alxcmhang on, i'm getting sick of this
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04:32:49rasherfuzzie: :<
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04:33:06rashermost of the scripts are perl actually
04:33:11rasherit makes me cry :(
04:33:38RickI want to port Lua to the rockbox for the sake of being able to make script plugins directly from the iriver itself
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04:34:31alxcmahh much better
04:34:34*alxcm pats irssi
04:35:29alxcmso anyway, do you think it would be hard for me to pick up rockbox devel?
04:35:29rashermmm irssi
04:35:40rasherIf you know C, not at all
04:35:41Rickalxcm: it's not hard
04:35:44RickI picked it up in an evening
04:35:52rasherunless you're going to do hardware stuff
04:35:53alxcmrasher: i *sort of* know C
04:35:58alxcmin that i can write in C syntax
04:36:04alxcmbut i need lots of practice
04:36:51fuzzieand what better to practice with than rockbox? :)
04:37:53alxcmof course
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04:40:24alxcmwhat assembly is this
04:41:57Rickwhatever assembly the coldfire has
04:42:12alxcmhaha okay
04:42:26alxcmi'm assuming #1 references a register
04:42:39Rick#1? from what?
04:43:50alxcmit's in the assembly
04:43:57alxcmdescramble.S i believe
04:44:19Soul_Eaterso what's limiting us to WAV playback
04:47:32rasherMainly the codec api missing
04:55:16*alxcm is having the time of his life reading the rockbox code
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04:57:04Soul_Eaterand where do we find it
04:57:15Rickfind what?
04:58:33alxcmbrb all
05:02:14Soul_Eaterthe missing codec api
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08:14:41Rickfeatures section really needs a good cleaning
08:20:23Rickfeature suggestion thing, rather
08:20:30Ricker, requests ;)
08:21:30LinusNyeah, we are thinking about scrapping it altogether...
08:21:54RickNice idea in theory, just needs to be moderated more
08:22:32LinusNyeah, and we simply don't have the time...
08:23:33LinusNwe would love to have someone take care of stuff like that
08:26:58Rickhmmmm.... my gentoo vmware doesn't want to boot
08:30:10Ricknot responding to pings either
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08:33:38Rickgreetings Bad
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08:41:11LinusNhola Bagder
08:42:02Rickthis is a tad bit annoying
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08:57:39Rickreboot seems to have fixed it
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09:12:11pengohi. noob. got an ihp 120. i can't find the rockbox rom to upload. :)
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09:12:53LinusNpengo: there is none
09:13:44pengoBagder: to the device
09:15:09pengoi saw a picture of the iriver playing mario but the page warns "This is for the time being only for developers. Rockbox is not even close to useful for ordinary users."... should i jsut ignore that then? :)
09:15:45Bagderit is up to you
09:15:52pengoi mean is it somewhat usable?
09:16:02Bagderit doesn't play any sounds yet
09:16:27pengomario yes, audio no
09:16:32Bagderso, "only for developers" actually means... eh, for developers ;-)
09:16:39pengook thanks :)
09:16:53Bagder...and gameboy junkies
09:19:49HCl :P
09:20:06pengothe features list paints a different picture.. :)
09:20:23Bagderit doesn't mention sound
09:20:48pengo"Background noise during playback" implies "playback".. but i guess that's just me
09:21:01Bagderpengo: Rockbox already works
09:21:05Bagderfor many players
09:21:07Bagderwith sound
09:21:09ashridahpengo: if you really wanted to play gameboy, for the time being, borrow a gameboy, or use some gameboy emulator on a pc
09:21:11Bagderjust not for iRiver
09:21:46pengoashridah: yah, i'm just a guy who followed a slashdot link and got confused
09:22:02pengothanks for help
09:22:07Bagderslashdot news are always premature
09:22:16ashridahpengo: could be worse, you could have assumed you'd be able to play it in realtime speed on an archos :)
09:22:38ashridahBagder: fortunately, that kind of thing tends to reduce the chance of having babies :)
09:23:51pengois the hard drive a normal laptop hard drive?
09:24:11Bagderno, its a 1.8" in the iRiver
09:25:44ashridahlaptop hd's are around 2.5" iirc
09:25:55ashridahBagder: i thought it was the 1.6" platter
09:26:02ashridahthe 1.8's being 60G and above
09:26:09ashridah1.8"'s rather
09:26:34Bagdernot above
09:26:52Bagderit is 1.8"
09:27:05ashridahah. i clearly have the numbers mixed up
09:27:07*ashridah shuts up
09:27:31Bagderfor 2.5" you can get 100GB, with a 120GB just recently announced
09:27:48Bagder1.8" they say an 80GB will ship in Q3 2005
09:28:50pengocan it be upgraded easily?
09:29:03*Bagder runs away
09:29:24pengoi'll take that as a no
09:30:20pengocan't just swap one drive for another?
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09:32:44pengohi El
09:32:59Elmaybe some could help I
09:33:36ElI'm a developer, but I never worked with linux/cygwin (strange, but life is like it)
09:33:57Eland I've some problems in installing the compilation environnement
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09:34:29ElI followed these instructions :
09:34:50Elbut I can't use the m68k-elf-gcc compiler !
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09:36:14LinusNEl_Gringo: define "can't use"
09:36:56El_GringoIt's not found
09:37:53LinusNchange the PATH then ? :-/
09:38:18LinusNbefore you do, i must say that the cygwin m68k compiler doesn't work for rockbox
09:38:37El_Gringoso, I can't compile if I use cygwin ?
09:40:10LinusNyes you can, but you'll have to build the compiler yourself
09:40:48El_Gringofollowing these instructions ?
09:42:04El_Gringook, I'll try
09:43:41LinusNgood luck
09:44:38El_Gringothank u very much. (not easy for I "first use" of a linux environement)
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09:56:34pengodoes rockbox for iriver (hp120) record ok?
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10:21:27BluechipHi there, I've just downloaded and installed the m68k cygwin packages from (v3.4.3) and added the appropriate to my path ...I configured rockbox for "iriver, normal build, english" and when I type 'make' the 'Assembler' gives the error "Error: unrecognized architecture specification `5249'" while attempting to 'CC' backlight.c this a known problem - and more to the point does anybody know how to stop it or
10:21:51ashridahyou can't use cygwin's m68k configured gcc to compile rockbox
10:21:58ashridahyou'll need to compile your own version of gcc
10:22:09ashridahprobably binutils as well
10:24:34Bluechiphmmm, do you know if anybody has performed this task and made their pre-compiled version available?
10:25:22El_GringoHo yes, please, give me the m68k-elf compiled !
10:25:32El_GringoI too boring for the "linux first user" that I'm !
10:26:12ashridahBluechip: not to my knowledge, although i imagine if someone's got it built into a self-contained location it could be done.
10:26:14LinusNBluechip: not that i know of
10:26:22LinusNhi Bluechip, btw
10:26:34BluechipHi LinusN
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10:27:57BluechipI've been asked by a couple of people to update the devkit - I've weeded out all the issues with the changes to the sh1 stuff - thought maybe I would add the m68k stuff while I am in there
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10:43:37BluechipLinusN: Do you know of an iRiver developer who might be kind enough to contribute the pre-compiled files to the devkit?
10:44:21LinusNhang on
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10:51:27BluechipYou are a gentleman, thank you :)
10:52:12LinusNgcc-3.4.3 and binutils from 2005-02-17
10:53:20LinusNto save space, you should be able to remove all libraries but the 5200 ones
10:54:05Bluechipthanks, what I will do is run a test compile with "filemon" running in the background and build a list of all required files from it's output
10:54:07LinusNi.e /usr/local/m68k/lib/gcc/m68k-elf/3.4.3/m5206e etc
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12:33:42BluechipLinusN: thanks for the m68k stuff - perfect first time (not that I would expect any less from you) ...I don't suppose you happen to have the calmrisc files also please?
12:34:00LinusNno i don't... :-(
12:34:16Bluechipdo you know anyone who might have?
12:34:56Bluechipmust say - specify base address for flashing etc ...looks like scary stuff that perhaps those who require a simple devkit, should not be playing
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12:41:50ashridah... what do guitars have to do with flashing? >:)
12:54:17LinusNlunch time
13:00:08ashridahokay. does someone want to explain how i'm supposed to convert 5.36x10^297 into some sort of english description of a length of time other than 'fucking long'
13:00:18ashridah(preferably within a spreadsheet :) )
13:01:10ashridahheh. knowing my luck, it'll end up being 'several big bangs, a few epochs, a few billion years, 12 months and 2 days, 4 hours, 21 minutes, 59 seconds and a few zillion nths of a second
13:01:25Bluechipi have to ask .....WHY!?
13:01:26ashridahi hate computing theory sometimes
13:01:52ashridahBluechip: it's an algorithmic demonstration of the idea that problems can be solvable but still intractable because they take an insanely long amount of time
13:02:08Bluechippresume the measurement be in femtoseconds?
13:02:16ashridahhandy for encryption, sucky for everything else.
13:02:40Bluechipdescribe it as an O
13:02:57BluechipBig O theory
13:03:12ashridahas in 'worst case scenario measurement'?
13:03:19ashridahthis is outside the scope of O notation
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13:03:32ashridahsince there's no actual algorithm
13:04:23ashridahjust the lecturer saying 'if you needed 1000 iterations, and 1 iteration took XYZ amount of time, and the algorithm needed 2^n+n^2 operations to complete...
13:04:33ashridahhow long does this take in english
13:04:49ashridahto which the answer is 'sometime after at least one big crunch'
13:05:12ashridahi can't wait until we move onto grammars :(
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13:23:22ashridahhahaha. okay. looks like it approaches .01 centillion years (apparently 10^303))
13:24:51BluechipThat reminds me of the time I met the dude who thought up pyramids
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14:52:18DeadManis anyone working on the api? coz without it, no music :)
14:53:25DeadManat least that's from what I understand?
14:53:54LinusNthat's correct
14:54:17DeadMana common grounding for the codecs to plugin to right?
14:54:36DeadMank I am not as dumb as I first thought lol
14:56:01DeadManwatched that leaked new Dr Who series episode earlier. I think that is enough to dumb anyone's mind :P
14:56:11DeadManreally awfull
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15:05:04Jort_xclefgood afternoon
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15:05:41DeadManis it?
15:06:19Jort_xclefwhy shouldn't it?
15:06:25Jort_xclefwhy should it?
15:06:36DeadMancome what may
15:06:45DeadMancumquat may
15:06:49Jort_xclefthe weather is nice anyway :P
15:07:00DeadMandepends where you live
15:07:17DeadManThe Nether Netherlands? :)
15:07:27Jort_xclefThe Nether Netherlands yeah
15:07:44Jort_xclefthat little tolerant country in Europe
15:08:01DeadManHow is Captain Hook?
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15:08:32DeadMancool cool
15:08:59Jort_xclefwhere are you from?
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15:09:11DeadManMy mothers womb
15:09:29Jort_xclefnice place over there, yeah
15:10:09Jort_xclefare you one of the devteam?
15:10:14DeadManUnited Kingdom of America
15:10:23DeadManAlso known as Great Britain
15:10:33Jort_xclefhaha UKA
15:10:40Jort_xclefsilly Blair
15:10:48Jort_xclefand silly Bush of course
15:10:49DeadManjust and idler
15:11:22Jort_xclefI'll take that as a 'no'
15:11:34*DeadMan pokes LinusN
15:11:53DeadManHe likes to idle too ;)
15:12:24DeadManIdle dev at work (Or not as the case may be)
15:12:42LinusN"at work" is very correct
15:12:50preglowdevs are better when they're idle on irc
15:12:51preglowtrust me
15:12:55DeadManwatchoo talkin' 'bout Willis?
15:13:23DeadManyeah it means they might actually be developing ;)
15:13:34LinusNor working...
15:13:47DeadMansame thing?
15:13:57LinusN(which is developing in my case, but not rockbox)
15:14:08*DeadMan develops a headache
15:14:27*LinusN has a job
15:14:38*Jort_xclef does not have a job
15:15:03LinusNbut you have an xclef :-)
15:15:03Jort_xclefget some aspirine?
15:15:12Jort_xclefI have an Xclef, exactly
15:15:22LinusNwhich model?
15:15:30Jort_xclefthe Korean
15:15:45LinusNcoldfire, right?
15:16:02Jort_xclefat least, that's what I've heard
15:16:07LinusNme too
15:16:17Jort_xclefan XCLEF or a coldfire?
15:16:42Jort_xclefthough, some French guys made a tool which you can use for changing the pictures/symbols
15:16:44LinusN"me too" -> heard that hd-500 has a coldfire
15:16:54Jort_xclefthat way
15:16:59preglowlearn assembler
15:17:04preglowlovely way of spending the day
15:17:13LinusNpreglow: or week, or month...
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15:17:45LinusNpreglow: dct hangover?
15:17:53preglowi hate it
15:18:03Jort_xclefis your last name Torvalds as well?
15:18:10LinusNNielsen Feltzing
15:18:16preglowi tried rewriting the first imdct in libmad
15:18:22preglowbut i can't see much to improve, really
15:18:29LinusNpreglow: oh
15:18:30Jort_xclefwhy Linus then?
15:18:32Lynx_LinusN: is Nielsen a middle name or a part of the last name?
15:18:37LinusNmiddle name
15:18:37preglowJort_xclef: linus is a name, you know
15:19:00Jort_xclefyeah I know
15:19:23Jort_xclefthought his name was Nielsen
15:19:26LinusNJort_xclef: Linus Nielsen Feltzing
15:19:35Jort_xclefthat way! :)
15:19:45preglowLinusN: it consists mainly of data moving and simple arithmetic, which i think gcc is way better at converting to assembler than i am
15:19:47LinusNwas Linus Nielsen before i married
15:19:57LinusNpreglow: probably
15:20:12LinusNno need to work that hard to save a handful of cycles
15:20:20preglowso i'm left with trying to convert the arm imdct
15:20:24preglowwhich looks pretty tight
15:20:30Jort_xclefbtw, are you also using Linux?
15:20:40LinusNat home
15:20:47LinusNwindows at work
15:20:56Lynx_LinusN: so it's part of the last name ;)
15:21:11LinusNsort of
15:21:50Jort_xclefthink I have to do some homework, that's a kind of work as well
15:22:01preglowthe arm imdct is full of nice stuff i can use the emac for
15:22:36preglowi'll give it a go for an hour, and then do other stuff
15:22:42preglowi hate prioritizing
15:22:49*preglow brews coffee
15:22:57Jort_xclefcoffee, good idea
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15:28:47LinusNtime to go home
15:28:52LinusNcu around guys
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15:34:22DeadManpreglow do you know anything about writing an api for iriver? is that a big job?
15:37:01DeadMannevermind....wanders off
15:40:30preglowit requires thought
15:40:53preglowand i'm better at more hands on stuff, i'm afraid
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16:33:45preglowwhat, you've never seen a person with no trousers before?
16:34:16Bagderno, its news to me!
16:34:55preglowi left the keyboard for a few moments and my neighbour granted himself a few liberties
16:35:26Bagderhe took your trousers? B*]
16:35:51preglowlet's say so, makes for a much more interesting story
16:37:28Bagderfirst CD ripping, then DVD ripping and now... trouser ripping
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16:42:38preglowwow, arm doesn't have _that_ many registers
16:43:40Bagder15 or so isn't it?
16:43:46preglowyes, one is pc
16:43:49preglowand one is sp
16:44:19*Bagder has worked with ARM7s, StrongARMs and XScale
16:44:29Tomas2I have a general C/C++ question.. maybe you know it...
16:44:42Tomas2I have to calculator with _very_ long numbers...
16:44:51Tomas2the longest is 1e1.000.000
16:45:00Tomas2so 1 * 10^1000000
16:45:07preglowhow the hell are you hoping to represent that?
16:45:10Tomas2but that doesn't fit a normal long :)
16:45:18preglowyes, nor a bloody long double
16:45:23BagderTomas2: then you need to write code to handle it
16:45:32preglowyou'll need to write your own number code
16:45:32Tomas2yeah, but how?
16:45:38preglowdo you need floating point?
16:45:41Tomas2damn... lot of work...
16:45:45Tomas2no, integers
16:45:53preglowthese kinds of libs are written
16:45:59Tomas2hm.. GPL?
16:46:01preglowthe guys who're calculating extremely long primes, for example
16:46:15preglowperl has a Bignum module as well
16:46:27Tomas2yeah, that's a part of what the program has to do...
16:47:45Tomas2is that what you mean?
16:47:49Bagderthat seemed a pretty big lib though
16:48:14Tomas2yeah.. and ofcourse I need a fast one too ;)
16:48:28Bagder"about 140 arithmetic and logic functions"
16:48:34preglowwhat operations do you need?
16:49:46Tomas2mod, add, substract
16:49:55preglowshouldn't be too hard
16:49:59Tomas2oh and devide
16:50:11preglowespecially not in assembly
16:50:15preglowwhere you've got carry
16:50:30Tomas2yeah, maybe I should write it in asm anyway...
16:50:53Tomas2but the only asm I can is write some text... and a long time ago I wrote a little bootloader..
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16:51:19BagderI don't think you should do it in asm
16:51:50Tomas2isn't that a lot faster?
16:52:07Bagderperhaps, but you are better of writing a smart C implementation
16:52:13Bagderand then possibly optimizing it afterwards
16:52:36Tomas2yeah that's true...
16:52:40preglownot much faster, no, i was thinking of the plus of having carry to do the add and sub
16:52:55preglowin c you'll probably need double wide variables
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16:53:32preglowwhich will be slow
16:54:44Tomas2when i compile ot for 64 bits... it's much faster with long numbers isn't it?
16:55:02Bagder"for 64 bits" ?
16:55:29Tomas2yeah, it has to run on athlon64
16:55:43Tomas2and there are optimized compilers for that...
16:55:48Bagdera 64bit CPU deals with 64 bit numbers faster, yes
16:55:49Tomas2does that make any speed change?
16:56:13Bagderuse gcc -m
16:56:23Bagderto optimize for your arch
16:57:42preglowif you can compile for 64 bits, you'll still need double wide variables if you want to utilize the full register width
16:57:52Tomas2tnx for the help.. I'm gonna search for a lib
16:57:53preglowwhat's a long long?
16:57:59preglowin amd64, i mean
16:58:01Tomas2a long using double the bytes?
16:58:13Bagderpreglow: its still 64bit there I believe
16:58:32Tomas2long = 4 bytes = 32 bits? long long = 8 bytes = 64 bits?
16:58:46preglowTomas2: depends on the arch
16:58:48Tomas2maybe in amd64 they will expand it to 128?
16:58:51preglowa long is 64 bits on amd64
16:59:32preglowno, i seriously doubt they have expanded it to 128 bits
17:00:29BagderC99 seems to allow more than 64bits for long long though
17:07:58lolo-laptopmore likely people will just use a type like uint_128 for a 128 bit integer for clarity and cross platform compliation eh?
17:08:56preglowwell, it hasn't happened thus far
17:09:24Bagderand uint_128 is not in C99
17:09:27Bagderlong long is
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17:25:00BluechipHi everybody ...Just a quick announcement:
17:25:00BluechipI have just updated the Rockbox Windows Dev Kit (now v3.10) to include both the sh1 and m68k compilers (I have yet to procure the calmrisc compiler) and works perfectly with todays CVS.
17:25:00BluechipDownload it at the usual place: ...and feel free to offer me any feedback that it may inspire you to :)
17:33:51RickI suggest a wiki page for it
17:40:20preglowyes, that would be clever
17:40:44Bluechipthere is a link on the links page already :)
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17:44:44preglowthere should be a mention on the crosscompilers page
17:45:33RickOff to college now :)
17:45:38*Rick waves
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17:55:35preglowouch, saving the accumulator state is going to be tricky :/
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20:06:23preglowfifteen bloody lines to negate an accumulator, hooray
20:12:20preglowand it doesn't work to top it off!
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21:11:51HCliriver rocks.
21:12:02HClespecially it being usb2 :x
21:12:26*HCl used it to copy all disney movies to his sis's laptop who's in the hospital :)
21:12:40fuzzieusb2: the choice of people too cheap to use firewire
21:13:08HCli only have firewire in 2 of my comps
21:13:11HClwhile all of them have usb
21:13:42Strathwell, seeing as how few computers ship with fireware installed.....
21:14:26HClyea, only one of my comp has it installed on its motherboard.. the other one just happens to have an audigy that supports it
21:16:02SoulEataapple is discontinuing firewire i heard
21:16:18fuzzieno, they're just not shipping the cables :)
21:16:59preglowi couldn't give a rats ass as to whether use usb2 or firewire
21:17:08preglowthe disk is the bottleneck anyway
21:17:57HClyes but if you only have firewire
21:17:59fuzzieah, slow disk?
21:18:04preglowi've got both
21:18:04HClthere are far from as many comps you can plug it into
21:18:16HClthen it doesn't matter
21:18:27preglowi've never used the firewire port, though
21:18:39preglowi've got about four usb ports used
21:18:54HCli think one of my flatmates has an mp3 player of creative with only firewire..
21:19:01HClbut only cause his usb cable broke
21:19:12HCli have 3 ports used, plus 2 4 port usb hubs
21:19:52preglowgot seven total, i think
21:19:53HClall my piphereals (spelling is wrong, i know) are usb o.O;
21:20:07preglowhahah, not just wrong, _very_ wrong :P
21:20:15HClplease correct :)
21:20:19HClcan't learn otherwise
21:20:28HClodd word, ok, thanks :)
21:20:44preglowi almost like your version better
21:20:57preglowi use usb for mouse, camera, h120 and midi keyboard
21:21:12HClusb for...
21:21:21preglowworks lovely, apart from when the mouse suddenly dies when i plug in the midi keyboard
21:21:28HClprinter,scanner, keyboard,mouse, ps2 dancepad, steering wheel... iriver...
21:21:31HClmy pda
21:21:45HCli think thats it..
21:21:46preglowahh, steering wheel...
21:21:48preglowi want
21:21:57HClit works sweet with the latest need for speed things.
21:22:01HClnowadays i have a car
21:22:03HClsooo >.o
21:22:21preglowmuch more dangerous to drive irresponsibly with a real car
21:22:30preglowin a game, it's obligatory
21:22:41preglowmandatory, i mean
21:22:45HClyou can only accelerate fast in a real car
21:22:51HClin need for speed you can go all out :)
21:23:00HClanyways, force feedback rocks, and stuff <3
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21:27:50hileHCl: hope you don't mean force feedback in your _real_ car ;)
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22:06:50HClhile: trust me, my car can give much more force feedback than my normal steering wheel
22:06:53HClg-forces rule :d
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22:18:34mirakHCl: have you tried daytona or virtua Racing ?
22:25:32HCli only really play need for speed o.o
22:25:56mirakyou know the big arcade games
22:26:08mirakin arcade hall
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22:42:45mirakde lu
22:43:26webguest15i was wondering i tried the windows development environment that was put out by someone on here
22:44:15webguest15and followed the directions to build the daily tarball but for some reason the daily tarball was missing the i had to download it from the cvs separately
22:44:38webguest15this relevant or not?
22:44:40Bagderme fix
22:44:44webguest15thank you
22:45:31webguest15not a big deal just was confusing for a few minutes why make could not find it in the tools folder
22:45:50BagderI can understand that
22:45:52webguest15sweet thanks for all your hard work
22:46:28webguest15#quit time to go home
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23:19:10HClgeeze :/
23:20:46mirakanyone have iriver H320
23:21:00HCllolo-laptop has 340..
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23:30:00HClhey XShocK ..
23:30:11HClany news on ata dma?
23:31:19shxhi all
23:32:39shxi got a big issue here : just updated from cvs, copied to iriver... and checksum fails for rockbox, original firmware starts.. and freeze during "read file system" phase... any ideas ?
23:33:23BagderI suggest a scandisk or similar
23:33:24shxhope i didn't kill it :-(
23:33:45shxhow to do a scandisk when you cant mount the file system ?
23:34:21shxcould the bootloader check for usb connection ?
23:34:29Bagderright, that's hard
23:34:34shxwithout the firmware to be readable ?
23:34:48shxanyway, have this pb of checksum been reported ?
23:34:57Bagdernot to my knowledge
23:35:07shxi got a working toolchian, been doing updates for a while now
23:35:16Bagderit sounds like you got a broken image somehow
23:35:24Bagderthe checksum should be right
23:35:56shxany ideas ?
23:36:25Bagderif you inser the usb cable before you power on the unit, does it still try to "read file system" ?
23:36:42Bagderand, how long did you wait?
23:36:53XShocKHCL: hi
23:36:55shxa long time
23:37:04shx10 mins or so
23:37:20XShocKyes.. there is a very small difference
23:37:32shxi reset the player, trying to plug cable before
23:37:57XShocKon writing my implementation was even slower
23:38:16shxi'm afraid it doesn't work....
23:38:21XShocKi spoke with Linus. he said that it will probably will not be faster
23:38:50shxO.H M.Y G.O.D.. I killed my iriver....
23:38:55shxno ?
23:38:58shxplease help §
23:38:59XShocKand i actually test the ata driver.. and it actually is really fast. 5 mb/sec.
23:39:39XShocKshx: secribe what heppened?
23:40:05XShocKdoes original firmware starts when you reset it?
23:40:09shxexactly : i updated from cvs 20 min ago or so
23:40:21shxdownloaded to iriver
23:40:38shxas i do everyday since 2 weeks or
23:41:00shxunplugged the cable.. without cleanly unmounting the thingie
23:41:06shxwith is maybe my mistake
23:41:29shxand rockbox starts, tells checksum fails
23:41:51shx, original firware starts, and freeze buring "read file system" operation
23:41:56XShocKok. reset it with the button.
23:42:02shxi did it
23:42:17shxwi and without usb cable plugged
23:42:20XShocKwait half a second and reset again, and original firmware would start
23:42:32shxit does start, but freezes
23:42:51shxcorrupted file sys may cause this u think ?
23:43:12Bagderit looks like that in my eyes
23:43:33shxweel.. is there an ovious solution.. ?
23:43:42XShocKit might be that, but pretty sure it would not freeze that easy
23:44:03shxyet frozen for a while now...
23:44:06Bagderwell, I can't think of any other reason
23:44:16Bagderit the original firmware starts and everything
23:44:30shxme too...
23:44:31preglowshx: batetry level?
23:44:39mirak369 euro for a iriver h320 is it correct ?
23:44:45shxwell, should be enough
23:44:51mirakI am very attracted, but that's still a lot of money
23:44:52preglowshx: should isn't good enough
23:44:54preglowshx: charge it
23:45:06preglowtry again in half an hour
23:45:27preglowif it doesn't work then, you've got a problem
23:45:54preglowyou flashed the bootloader from cvs right now?
23:46:08shxjust firware and all
23:46:30shxbootloader is the one on the wiki
23:46:38shxan 'old' one
23:46:42preglowthen i think you're going to be all right
23:46:53preglowjust charge for a while
23:47:20shxthis kind of things were reported before ?
23:47:32preglowthe read file system freeze is well known
23:47:37preglowit's almost always a battery problem
23:47:45preglowthat or a file system problem
23:47:48shxreassuring...a little !
23:48:00Rickbastid iriver firmware
23:48:03shxbut battery level should be fairly high...
23:48:07Ricksaid I had a full charge when I left today, two hours later it was at one bar
23:48:11shxmore than 1/4 i think
23:48:18preglowwell, unless you're perfectly certain, it's worth a shot
23:48:37shxmore than 'worth'.. needed no ?
23:48:55Patr3ckonce I had the same, used the hold button, then reset, this powers off the iriver completely
23:49:11Patr3ckthen hold button back, and boot
23:49:15Patr3ckit worked
23:49:20shxgood idea
23:49:25shxi'll try that
23:49:47RickI found a couple gameboy games that play pretty well with current cvs rockboy
23:49:56preglowRick: then have fun
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23:50:04Rickwell, I mean in terms of sped
23:50:11Rickmost games are reaaaally slow
23:50:45shxany option like plugging hard drive with a connector on a PC, fix FS, and plug it back to iriver ?
23:51:28Bagdershx: that should be possible too, as a last resort
23:51:42preglowthe crc error thing is kind of surprising
23:51:46preglowit should never happen
23:51:59preglowto me it sounds like the disk is malfunctioning somehow
23:52:05shxi could take a picture of it, believe me !
23:52:16shxmaybe the file system is corrupted
23:52:20Bagderit might've happened because he didn't umount it properly
23:52:33shxbut can that happen with unproper unmount ?
23:52:39preglowoh yes
23:52:42Ricki'm sure it can happen if it's writing
23:52:44preglownot _very_ probable
23:52:46Rickwhile you pull the usb cable
23:52:47preglowbut it's possible
23:52:59shxit was not writing i think
23:53:00RickI usually make sure there's no HD activity
23:53:05Rickbefore pulling the usb cable
23:53:11Rick(and unmounting)
23:53:23shxdo you guys usually unmount it before unplug ?
23:53:44shx(i'm pretty sure there was no diskk activity)
23:53:47preglowthat is, it depends
23:53:52preglowif i'm developing, i don't unmount
23:53:57preglowif i copy music, i unmount
23:54:28Patr3ckI think write caching could corrupt the filsystem
23:54:31preglowi've never had any problems with my very numerous bad unmounts
23:54:43preglowwrite caching is turned off for removable devices in xp
23:54:48shxme neither u know, but now...
23:54:53Rickthe only time i've unplugged it while it was still 'mounted' was in Windows when it claimed it was still in use
23:54:59Rick(when it wasn't...)
23:55:01Patr3ckpreglow: you unmount with xp ;-)
23:55:02shxi'm under linux
23:55:35preglowin linux i always unmount
23:55:55shxi should have i think...
23:56:12preglowyes, very probably
23:56:44shxif i can't have it wokk, once a little more charged, what do you advise me, wise guys ?
23:56:47Rickwouldn't linux normally complain if you tried to unmount with activity?
23:56:55preglowshx: not much to say then
23:57:05preglowRick: point is he didn't unmount
23:57:12Patr3ckshx: I think there should be a solution, or this would happen to a lot of people already
23:57:13preglowjust ripped out the cable
23:57:42preglowprobably just unlucky
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23:58:00Patr3ckshx: already tried googling mysticriver about filesystem freeze to get more information
23:58:06Patr3ckshx: ?
23:58:06pregloware there ata adapters that fit the disk in the h1x0's ?
23:58:10Digital007just wondered how sound progress is going for the iriver
23:58:13shxbut i did not rip out the cable, but 'properly' unproperly unplugged it
23:58:30Bagderpreglow: I just googled, but I didn't find any
23:58:31preglowDigital007: no further progress
23:58:52preglowshx: how do you do that?

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