| 00:00:03 | TomasX | like Capacité disque dur and go |
| 00:00:13 | TomasX | german's do that too.. |
| 00:00:18 | mirak | can you ensure it against rob ? |
| 00:00:34 | TomasX | no idea... |
| 00:00:39 | TomasX | check your local dealer? |
| 00:00:47 | mirak | TomasX: that's not a new word, that's a litteral translation |
| 00:00:59 | TomasX | yeah... in holland we just use the english word... |
| 00:01:10 | TomasX | but it's 0:00 |
| 00:01:18 | TomasX | and I got to get up at 6:30 tomorrow :X |
| 00:01:20 | mirak | well here in france, they like to |
| 00:01:22 | TomasX | so i'm leaving |
| 00:01:28 | mirak | TomasX: it's 0:0 here too |
| 00:01:34 | lolo-laptop | what did I do? |
| 00:01:37 | lolo-laptop | yes, I have a H340 |
| 00:01:40 | TomasX | bye |
| 00:01:46 | mirak | TomasX: bye thanks |
| 00:01:47 | lolo-laptop | battery time ranges between 12 and 16 hours... |
| 00:01:52 | | Quit TomasX ("cu tomorrow") |
| 00:01:56 | mirak | lolo-laptop: recording is ok ? |
| 00:01:57 | lolo-laptop | well 10 and 16 really |
| 00:02:13 | lolo-laptop | yeah, basically same as H1x0 just more available bitrates IIRC |
| 00:02:26 | mirak | it's 369€ |
| 00:02:29 | mirak | here |
| 00:02:35 | mirak | that's not ship |
| 00:02:37 | mirak | cheap |
| 00:02:49 | lolo-laptop | heh, I paid 500 for mine (international edition) |
| 00:02:52 | mirak | but I prefer this than an iPod |
| 00:03:13 | lolo-laptop | the H3x0 is thicker than H1x0 or ipod, something to be aware of |
| 00:03:20 | mirak | Recharge possible de la batterie possible par port USB |
| 00:03:25 | lolo-laptop | yes |
| 00:03:30 | mirak | this mean battery can be reloaded from usb |
| 00:03:32 | mirak | intersting |
| 00:03:35 | Rick | does it support a normal plug too? |
| 00:03:37 | Rick | for power? |
| 00:03:39 | lolo-laptop | it is kinda slow via usb |
| 00:03:49 | mirak | lolo-laptop: thicker ? what does this mean |
| 00:03:49 | lolo-laptop | the standard adapter is 2000mA USB is only 500mA |
| 00:03:59 | Rick | mirak: a piece of paper vs a book |
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| 00:04:11 | preglow | lolo-laptop: it is 500mA in principle, i think you can easily draw more |
| 00:04:12 | mirak | Rick: in wich sens ? ;) |
| 00:04:22 | Rick | mirak: paper is thin, book is not |
| 00:04:22 | Rick | ;P |
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| 00:04:26 | mirak | ok |
| 00:04:37 | lolo-laptop | preglow: yeah, but user reports say that depending on your USB port it charges significantly slower via USB |
| 00:04:42 | mirak | Rick: it's newer |
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| 00:04:45 | preglow | yes, very probably |
| 00:04:55 | preglow | but the current is almost certainly not restricted per port |
| 00:04:59 | Rick | the button layout doesn't look too god on the h3x0 |
| 00:05:06 | Rick | *good |
| 00:05:09 | mirak | lolo-laptop: I don't see a h120 on this website, maybe they choosed to sell the h320 instead |
| 00:05:20 | lolo-laptop | to me it is easier to use than the H1x0, but the lack of joystick is kinda killer |
| 00:05:29 | lolo-laptop | mirak: yeah, the H1 is discontinued |
| 00:05:32 | lolo-laptop | h1x0 |
| 00:05:47 | mirak | lolo-laptop: ok, so I know now what I will buy |
| 00:06:06 | mirak | the graphic card upgrade will wait ... |
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| 00:06:49 | lolo-laptop | mirak: things to keep in mind: DRM is US only, USBOTG is international version only, you seem to be in france so I'm guessing you get the international version. |
| 00:07:39 | mirak | I don't give a shit about drm in fact |
| 00:07:44 | mirak | ;) |
| 00:08:00 | mirak | lolo-laptop: you mean right managements right |
| 00:08:09 | mirak | thanks for the info though |
| 00:08:28 | lolo-laptop | mirak: yes |
| 00:08:49 | Soul_Eater | Aren't there any open-source DRM playing progs? |
| 00:08:53 | lolo-laptop | just warning, because some people have been burned by it. |
| 00:09:22 | HCl | o.o. |
| 00:09:25 | HCl | geeze. |
| 00:09:32 | mirak | lolo-laptop: they can send me their useless material ;) |
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| 00:11:13 | preglow | anyone know if hd setup in irivers are dma capable? |
| 00:11:19 | HCl | they are |
| 00:11:26 | HCl | xshock got dma running earlier today |
| 00:11:31 | mirak | anyone have a PMP ? |
| 00:11:33 | HCl | doesn't have it stable yet |
| 00:11:53 | preglow | i take it he doesn't have any comments on performance yet? |
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| 00:12:04 | HCl | not as far as i know |
| 00:12:14 | HCl | nafaik, for short :3 |
| 00:12:15 | LinusN | he mentioned in the channel that it was somewhat faster |
| 00:12:27 | preglow | LinusN: might it not also consume slightly less power? |
| 00:12:36 | LinusN | i don't think it will make much of a difference |
| 00:12:49 | preglow | difference, no |
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| 00:14:12 | preglow | amiconn_: you ended up not being able to get the mp3 conformance test software, yes? |
| 00:15:40 | bg_ | how is rockboy coming? |
| 00:15:41 | Ctcp | Ignored 3 channel CTCP requests in 44 minutes and 10 seconds at the last flood |
| 00:15:41 | * | preglow fondly watches his h120 decode an mp3 at 230% realtime |
| 00:15:48 | preglow | 112kbps, though :/ |
| 00:15:57 | Bonkers | I thought I recall him saying that the reads were faster by a bit, but he had some anomoly where the writes were like half the speed |
| 00:18:32 | mirak | will there be rockbox support for h320 ? |
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| 00:19:18 | preglow | mirak: probably |
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| 00:19:34 | Rick | Let's knock down the h1x0 walls first |
| 00:19:35 | Rick | ;P |
| 00:19:47 | preglow | no, the more platforms the merrier!"¤"!¤!" |
| 00:19:53 | Bagder | I believe the spanish people say something like "se que dio" |
| 00:19:59 | Bagder | if God wants |
| 00:20:05 | * | lolo-laptop shakes his fist: better support H3 :-P I'm pretty sure they will do it, cuz it is substantially the same hardware as the H1x0... |
| 00:20:10 | preglow | i feel we should leave god out of this |
| 00:20:13 | Rick | how similar is h1x0 and h3x0 in terms of hardware? |
| 00:20:13 | Bagder | hehe |
| 00:20:27 | preglow | Rick: pretty similar |
| 00:20:28 | lolo-laptop | Rick: see the hardware info pages on the wiki |
| 00:20:42 | Rick | lolo-laptop: pfft. I am just asking for a general description |
| 00:20:42 | Rick | ;P |
| 00:20:50 | Rick | or opinion, rather |
| 00:20:53 | preglow | spanish people kept me awake 'till 4:00 am yesterday, so let's not mention them |
| 00:20:53 | Soul_Eater | So whats the reason why Rbx won't be able to play DRM files? |
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| 00:21:36 | LinusN | the drm scheme is proprietary |
| 00:21:43 | preglow | Soul_Eater: same reason why no other opensource software can play drm files |
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| 00:22:04 | HCl | and its not allowed to reverse engineer it..? |
| 00:22:05 | preglow | which would be what linusn said |
| 00:22:20 | Soul_Eater | there arent any opensource DRM file-playing software? |
| 00:22:24 | Soul_Eater | at all? |
| 00:22:34 | Rick | I doubt it |
| 00:22:38 | preglow | yes, i think you are allowed to reverse engineer it, but not reimplement it in a way that can help people break the copy protection |
| 00:22:43 | Rick | but i've seen tools that can convert them from their DRM |
| 00:22:43 | preglow | which will be very hard with open source software |
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| 00:23:05 | preglow | but i'm on thin ice here |
| 00:23:48 | HCl | i'm almost tempted to reverse engineer it and make it poop out unprotected mp3's or ogg's |
| 00:23:51 | HCl | but ok. |
| 00:23:56 | HCl | i'm too lazy to anyways :x |
| 00:24:03 | preglow | haha |
| 00:24:07 | preglow | transcoding is evil |
| 00:24:32 | preglow | i'm not about to buy drm infested music any way, so i don't really care |
| 00:24:41 | Rick | preglow: same |
| 00:24:53 | HCl | true. |
| 00:24:58 | HCl | nobody in their right mind |
| 00:25:00 | HCl | would buy drm |
| 00:25:10 | HCl | and microsoft and crap are all trying to cover up what it really does |
| 00:25:16 | Soul_Eater | check this out http://oggs.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:25:39 | preglow | i don't even buy copy protected cd's |
| 00:25:46 | preglow | and i ordinarily buy all my music |
| 00:25:58 | HCl | i don't buy my music. |
| 00:26:02 | HCl | and if they'd force me to buy it. |
| 00:26:05 | HCl | i'd record it off radio. |
| 00:26:06 | HCl | seriously. |
| 00:26:13 | HCl | music is about having fun and making music |
| 00:26:15 | HCl | not making money |
| 00:26:50 | Soul_Eater | I cant remember the last time I bought a cd. CDs have become obsolete imo |
| 00:26:57 | preglow | i've got tons of cds |
| 00:27:01 | preglow | a bunch of vinyl as well |
| 00:27:05 | HCl | i only bought a music cd once. |
| 00:27:15 | HCl | and it was of a small, unknown band that was good o.o |
| 00:27:23 | preglow | well, if my buying music keeps the people who make good music making music |
| 00:27:26 | preglow | i'll buy it |
| 00:27:29 | HCl | but i ended up just copying it to mp3 and leaving the cd to dust |
| 00:27:39 | preglow | i'm not into top 20s stuff anyway |
| 00:27:45 | HCl | its simply not practical for me to buy cds |
| 00:27:45 | preglow | not usually, that is, i listen to all kinds of music |
| 00:27:48 | HCl | since there's no point |
| 00:28:16 | preglow | and i like having my music on a physical medium |
| 00:28:27 | preglow | my disk crashing is an annual event, and i hate starting over |
| 00:28:31 | Rick | well |
| 00:28:37 | Rick | i like cds as original medium too |
| 00:28:41 | Rick | because you can pick how you want to encode it |
| 00:28:43 | HCl | yes. well. |
| 00:28:46 | HCl | the internet is my backup |
| 00:28:47 | HCl | o.o |
| 00:28:51 | preglow | vinyl is better :P |
| 00:29:44 | preglow | too bad i takes up room |
| 00:29:46 | preglow | it |
| 00:30:53 | Ctcp | Ping from preglow!thomj@s183a.studby.ntnu.no |
| 00:31:01 | * | HCl yawns. |
| 00:31:17 | Rick | hehe |
| 00:31:56 | HCl | cats are cute :x |
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| 00:48:45 | Bagder | night |
| 00:49:57 | LinusN | nite Bagder |
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| 00:52:14 | mirak | lolo-laptop: you have the normal or the SE version ? |
| 00:55:32 | lolo-laptop | Normal I think (normal comes with cradle and battery pack and all that, right)? |
| 00:58:08 | preglow | LinusN: if i need a .idata section in an asm file, do i need the progbits stuff for that as well? |
| 00:58:26 | preglow | LinusN: or something like it, at least |
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| 01:04:13 | LinusN | don't know |
| 01:04:40 | midk | someone say something if you can read this. :) |
| 01:04:46 | preglow | midk: omglolmao |
| 01:04:56 | LinusN | preglow: gcc -S and check the output |
| 01:04:59 | midk | haha, thx. wondered if my connection died. |
| 01:05:05 | preglow | LinusN: duh, thanks |
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| 01:05:36 | rasher | http://dumb.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=licences ... uhm... |
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| 01:13:41 | preglow | "aw" is needed instaed of "ax", apart from that, the same |
| 01:15:01 | DeadMan | preglow how fast is 192kbps decoding? |
| 01:15:13 | DeadMan | vbr |
| 01:15:42 | DeadMan | actually you may as well say Lame default settings |
| 01:16:08 | DeadMan | as that is what I use most of the time |
| 01:17:16 | preglow | DeadMan: what is lame default? the few times i've encoded mp3s, i've used alt-preset |
| 01:17:31 | DeadMan | alt-preset standard |
| 01:17:58 | DeadMan | which is what you get if you don't add any arguments anyhow |
| 01:18:03 | preglow | ahh, ok |
| 01:18:16 | rasher | I'm getting 40% on a 192kbps file |
| 01:18:19 | DeadMan | I think it's 192k vbr |
| 01:18:25 | rasher | using cvs rockbox |
| 01:18:44 | preglow | i'm getting around 200% with alt preset |
| 01:18:48 | DeadMan | yeah but preglow has not added to cvs yet? |
| 01:18:53 | DeadMan | oh ok :) |
| 01:18:55 | rasher | oooh |
| 01:18:56 | preglow | i've got a couple of things i haven't added |
| 01:19:02 | rasher | You must have :) |
| 01:19:04 | preglow | i'm working on one of them right now |
| 01:19:12 | preglow | i can't bear to commit it in its current form |
| 01:19:35 | DeadMan | when you are happy with it preglow hopefully someone can add an api and we are away! ;) |
| 01:19:46 | rasher | now if only linuxstb wasn't so busy.. |
| 01:19:56 | preglow | the api can happen independently |
| 01:20:12 | DeadMan | just need someone to make the codec output to iRiver :) |
| 01:20:44 | rasher | preglow: are the optimizations easily transferable to other codecs? |
| 01:20:52 | preglow | rasher: in no way |
| 01:21:04 | preglow | the codecs aren't very similar in how they do things |
| 01:21:10 | rasher | okay |
| 01:21:27 | preglow | mp3 has the subband decomposition and several very small imdcts, vorbis just has one large imdct and some spectrum magic |
| 01:21:35 | preglow | flac is completely time domain |
| 01:21:35 | preglow | etc |
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| 01:21:55 | rasher | that made exactly no sense to me, but okay :) |
| 01:22:23 | preglow | doesn't matter, as long as you see i didn't repeat the same three concepts :) |
| 01:22:32 | rasher | Yup |
| 01:23:21 | Bonkers | preglow: flac is completely time domain? so how do they do better than (g/b)zip(2), just better guessing at how to compress? |
| 01:23:41 | Bonkers | I guess it'd have to be time domain unless they have infinite precision fft stuff |
| 01:23:49 | preglow | 192kbps is running at around 200% realtime as well |
| 01:24:00 | preglow | Bonkers: they employ completely different methods |
| 01:24:14 | Bonkers | I'd have to look at it sometime then I guess |
| 01:24:15 | preglow | flac uses signal processing, gzip and pals don't |
| 01:24:21 | rasher | By the way, the rockbox forum's usage license is silly |
| 01:24:29 | preglow | in what way? |
| 01:24:59 | preglow | Bonkers: lpc and rice coding is a pretty big part of flac |
| 01:25:02 | rasher | "You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which [...] or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law" |
| 01:25:30 | * | rasher shakes head |
| 01:25:43 | preglow | well, i've agreed to stupider things |
| 01:25:48 | rasher | Heh |
| 01:26:45 | rasher | where's iriver grayscale patch living? |
| 01:27:01 | rasher | if it's in the tracker I will dig a large hole to hide in |
| 01:27:03 | preglow | sweet god, does anyone please want to optimize fastsdct in libmad for me? |
| 01:27:16 | preglow | i'm not built for this kind of thing |
| 01:27:42 | rasher | well you seem to be doing well :) |
| 01:28:33 | preglow | i just sit picking at it |
| 01:28:37 | preglow | i can't seem to start |
| 01:28:49 | preglow | the moment if written a couple of lines, i toss it away, thinking there's got to be a cleverer way |
| 01:29:00 | preglow | and fastsdct is pretty simple |
| 01:29:23 | preglow | rasher: the stuff i've done so far haven't exactly been hard |
| 01:30:29 | LinusN | time to sleep |
| 01:30:33 | rasher | still fairly effective |
| 01:30:36 | LinusN | nite all |
| 01:30:40 | rasher | nite |
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| 01:30:40 | DeadMan | nn |
| 01:30:49 | HCl | rasher: on my ftp.. |
| 01:30:58 | HCl | rasher: there's a link to it from the rockboy page |
| 01:31:11 | HCl | i don't guarantee anything though. |
| 01:31:23 | HCl | its an un-cleanedup early version of markun |
| 01:31:45 | preglow | yes, thanks goodness, if it hadn't been effective, i would have given up long since |
| 01:31:50 | HCl | so it might do horrid things like turn your iriver into a toaster or a blender |
| 01:32:38 | * | rasher has fun watching the io-ports debug screen react to remote-presses |
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| 01:35:37 | rasher | the "turn" buttons don't appear to be constant |
| 01:35:38 | HCl | my kitty's snoring :x he's so cute :x |
| 01:38:52 | rasher | holding down the navi/menu button shows up as CE,but switches shortly to CF once in a while |
| 01:39:53 | DeadMan | easy to hit the wrong selection on the remote |
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| 01:49:55 | HCl | nightnight |
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| 01:57:29 | kevinlai | hi... i got a question about flashing the Archos player |
| 01:57:43 | kevinlai | who should i ask about the question??? |
| 01:59:28 | preglow | just ask |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:22 | kevinlai | after i flash the player do i still need to keep the flash file in the player?? |
| 02:00:51 | kevinlai | the .bin file |
| 02:00:53 | preglow | i sincerely doubt it, but i don't have an archos |
| 02:01:00 | kevinlai | and the ucl file roo |
| 02:01:09 | kevinlai | *too |
| 02:02:07 | kevinlai | hm.... and how do i confirm if the flashing process is successful??? |
| 02:02:25 | Bonkers | you certainly don't need the .bin file |
| 02:02:29 | kevinlai | do i just turn off th eplayer and restart it back on??? |
| 02:02:38 | Bonkers | ya, restart it after you flashed the bin |
| 02:02:50 | Bonkers | if you also flashed a ucl, then when you restart it, it should boot rockbox directly in like 3 seconds total |
| 02:03:03 | Bonkers | if rockbox boots directly, then everything is peachy, you can even delete the ucl file if you want too |
| 02:03:44 | kevinlai | yup... i see the different of booting the player without holding the "ON" button for few second |
| 02:04:02 | Bonkers | it should boot differently when you normally turn it on, just hit ON once |
| 02:04:12 | Bonkers | if you want to original firmware, hold F1 while turning it on |
| 02:05:22 | * | rasher adds freq-scaling support to mandelbrot.c for fun&profit |
| 02:05:30 | mirak | is there optical in/out on the H320 ? |
| 02:05:45 | mirak | iRiver H320 |
| 02:06:10 | kevinlai | ic ... thank you ... |
| 02:06:37 | mirak | my god, this online site as kept the ejb objects in memory for 3 weeks now !! |
| 02:07:46 | preglow | mirak: no |
| 02:08:06 | mirak | preglow: it's a loss versus the H120 |
| 02:08:08 | mirak | ? |
| 02:08:16 | mirak | I mean H120 got them isn't it ? |
| 02:09:38 | Bonkers | mirak: it's amazing a j2ee site is still running after 3 weeks... |
| 02:09:50 | mirak | yes |
| 02:09:57 | mirak | the objects are probably swapped |
| 02:10:04 | mirak | certainly |
| 02:10:15 | rasher | that sure sped up the mandelbrot plugin ^_^ |
| 02:10:16 | mirak | but well this means no reboot |
| 02:10:37 | * | rasher does the same to jpeg.c |
| 02:10:40 | mirak | I don't think they stored to database my cart |
| 02:10:43 | kevinlai | oh ya... after i flash the player do i still need to keep the archos.mod in the directory??? |
| 02:11:40 | mirak | Bonkers: the funny thing is that the price changed and are lower now. |
| 02:11:49 | rasher | oh dear, mandelbrot does something odd to the scale |
| 02:12:21 | Bonkers | mirak: oh, you meant your whole session still exists? |
| 02:13:19 | mirak | Bonkers: It remembered what I put in the cart 3 weeks ago |
| 02:13:29 | mirak | it was still there |
| 02:13:48 | mirak | I didn't bought them |
| 02:13:51 | Bonkers | and it remembered the old prices for those products too? |
| 02:13:58 | mirak | no |
| 02:14:06 | mirak | it put the actual ones |
| 02:14:15 | mirak | they are not robbers :) |
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| 02:14:58 | Bonkers | heh, so then the session probably contained only a shopping cart object which referenced the product objects |
| 02:15:03 | mirak | Bonkers: well that's a nice feature in fact. It would be nice to have a report about the evolution of those prices |
| 02:15:12 | Bonkers | sessions can be persisted to disk thoguh |
| 02:15:17 | mirak | ok |
| 02:15:30 | mirak | I have started to study j2ee at univ |
| 02:15:35 | mirak | but not in depth |
| 02:15:37 | Bonkers | stop if you can |
| 02:15:58 | mirak | I will have a job with j2ee and datawarhousing |
| 02:16:09 | mirak | Bonkers: stop what ? |
| 02:16:15 | Bonkers | I worked on a j2ee website all summer, then at the end I actually ported it to just tomcat/servlets using hibernate and got rid of all the j2ee stuff |
| 02:16:15 | mirak | Bonkers: I want my diploma :) |
| 02:16:31 | Bonkers | j2ee was so terrible for what we were doing at least |
| 02:16:38 | mirak | mmm |
| 02:16:48 | mirak | I am not the project director :) |
| 02:16:57 | * | rasher just finished a stupid uni project involving tomcat/servlets |
| 02:17:08 | rasher | I hope never to touch that again |
| 02:17:19 | * | mirak is in a group that have still not finished is univ project |
| 02:17:22 | mirak | we are 7 |
| 02:17:58 | Bonkers | rasher: to be honest, tomcat/servlets weren't too too terrible, but I'd still never use them if I had a choice |
| 02:18:12 | mirak | we got 3 broken arms people, one very competent autistic developper, two competent lazy developper |
| 02:18:13 | mirak | and me |
| 02:18:37 | mirak | I think in fact we are 3 competent lazy developpers |
| 02:19:21 | mirak | Bonkers: just focus on the money |
| 02:20:31 | Bonkers | mirak: heh, well if I can help it, I'd much rather work on graphics and games stuff |
| 02:20:47 | Bonkers | I just did the j2ee stuff at an internship since it was the only job I could find for the summer |
| 02:20:48 | mirak | I did opengl project last year |
| 02:20:51 | mirak | at univ |
| 02:21:02 | Bonkers | I'm working on a graphics project as we speak |
| 02:21:10 | mirak | Bonkers: j2ee is good on the curriculum vitae |
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| 02:21:38 | Bonkers | mirak: I suppose, I've never taken a course in it, but I certainly know way more about it than any single course would teach by now |
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| 02:22:40 | mirak | Bonkers: yes. But employers prefer that you got some formal formation on the thing you will work on |
| 02:22:57 | mirak | for exemple I got a proposition for a internship with perl |
| 02:23:04 | mirak | she asked me if I knew perl |
| 02:23:09 | mirak | I said a bit |
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| 02:23:25 | mirak | in fact when you are at univ you can adpat very fast to langauges |
| 02:23:34 | mirak | so you can't say you are a specialist |
| 02:23:40 | mirak | but you can be one very fast |
| 02:23:57 | rasher | I don't think you can be a specialist in anything fast |
| 02:24:26 | mirak | rasher: ok not a specialist |
| 02:24:48 | mirak | rasher: what I wanted to express, is that if you studied something at univ, |
| 02:25:02 | mirak | it's not long to recover |
| 02:25:15 | mirak | in case you did not followed the curse |
| 02:25:43 | mirak | but they still believe that if it's written on your cv that you studied it |
| 02:25:49 | mirak | they feel more secure |
| 02:25:59 | mirak | even if you in fact suck at it |
| 02:26:00 | mirak | lol |
| 02:26:01 | mirak | ok |
| 02:26:04 | mirak | good night |
| 02:26:10 | Bonkers | mirak: luckily I at least feel that I have enough experience to both show and convince any employer that I know what I'm talking about |
| 02:26:14 | Bonkers | night though |
| 02:26:55 | mirak | well for them what is important is to be convinced |
| 02:27:10 | mirak | if you can convince them, you will be able to convince their clients |
| 02:27:36 | mirak | even if your compagny sucks as much as you suck in the thing you faked |
| 02:27:38 | Bonkers | ya, I've already worked internships for 5 summers so I'll have quite a bit of experience by the time I graduate |
| 02:27:47 | mirak | yes that's good |
| 02:28:00 | mirak | I did not have much experience |
| 02:28:08 | mirak | we will see |
| 02:28:29 | mirak | the guy that recruited be felt confident about me |
| 02:28:32 | mirak | that's the most important |
| 02:28:51 | mirak | he think i am th right person for the internship |
| 02:28:59 | mirak | I will not contradict him |
| 02:29:01 | mirak | :) |
| 02:29:03 | Bonkers | ya, that's always good |
| 02:33:42 | mirak | this time, I go to bed |
| 02:33:43 | mirak | bye |
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| 02:35:18 | XShocK | nights all |
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| 03:38:08 | Soul_Eater | anyone know how to get gapless on winamp? |
| 03:38:59 | rasher | use the directsound output plugin I think |
| 03:39:06 | rasher | and touch it in the right places |
| 03:41:30 | Soul_Eater | where do i get that |
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| 03:51:22 | kerobaros | Oi, how many people here use Audioscrobbler (www.audioscrobbler.com) on a regular basis? |
| 03:52:26 | kerobaros | I just created a Audioscrobbler group for Rockbox users. URL: http://www.audioscrobbler.com/group/Rockbox%2BUsers |
| 03:54:40 | Soul_Eater | i do |
| 03:55:02 | Soul_Eater | what if im just a big fan of rbx |
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| 03:57:11 | kerobaros | Soul_Eater: it's open membership. Feel free. |
| 03:57:18 | Soul_Eater | heh i joined |
| 03:58:23 | Rick | I remember audioscrobbler |
| 03:58:29 | Rick | pointless statistic tracking thingy |
| 03:58:29 | Rick | hehe |
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| 04:01:49 | kerobaros | It's fun to play with, though. |
| 04:01:57 | kerobaros | Good to see you there, Soul_Eater. |
| 04:02:41 | kerobaros | Alright, I'm going to work again. Later, all. |
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| 04:14:29 | alxcm | hey, all |
| 04:14:32 | alxcm | what's up? |
| 04:14:43 | Rick | not much |
| 04:15:13 | * | alxcm can't wait to run Rockbox on his iRiver |
| 04:15:45 | * | Rick already does |
| 04:15:46 | Rick | ;P |
| 04:15:52 | alxcm | oh really |
| 04:15:56 | alxcm | are you part of the devel team? |
| 04:16:06 | Rick | no, but I do dev |
| 04:16:13 | Rick | i'm working on a bunch of games myself |
| 04:16:37 | * | alxcm has an iRiver iHP-120, bought it a few weeks before the 140 came out |
| 04:16:45 | alxcm | would that work well with Rockbox? how stable is it? |
| 04:17:08 | Rick | it's very stable (if you mean firmware) |
| 04:17:20 | alxcm | yeah |
| 04:17:20 | Rick | rockbox is pretty stable but it needs to be improved |
| 04:20:27 | alxcm | what i mean is...how stable is the iRiver port...i don't see it listed on the downloads page |
| 04:20:32 | alxcm | and does it support OGG yet? |
| 04:22:00 | Soul_Eater | it doesnt play anything but WAVs |
| 04:22:11 | rasher | And not even that |
| 04:22:22 | Rick | yeah |
| 04:22:28 | Rick | and grayscale support is basically nonexistant |
| 04:22:39 | Rick | (well, markun's patch does it, but it's "really" slow) |
| 04:22:39 | Rick | ;P |
| 04:23:15 | rasher | The hardware support for sound output is ready, but has not yet been included in rockbox |
| 04:23:30 | Rick | what about the remote lcd? |
| 04:23:33 | Rick | / buttons |
| 04:23:36 | Rick | any progress on that? |
| 04:23:44 | rasher | Buttons are ready |
| 04:23:50 | rasher | not yet reacted on though |
| 04:23:55 | Rick | ah |
| 04:23:56 | Rick | hehe |
| 04:23:58 | Rick | oh |
| 04:24:04 | Rick | I noticed solitaire has an incorrect button |
| 04:24:06 | alxcm | haha |
| 04:24:13 | Rick | it uses a/b instead of record |
| 04:24:24 | Rick | (or the text is incorrect) |
| 04:24:30 | rasher | hm |
| 04:24:39 | rasher | let me check |
| 04:25:11 | Rick | it says 'rec' (which I assumed meant record) |
| 04:25:11 | rasher | indeed |
| 04:25:23 | Rick | Oh |
| 04:25:25 | Rick | and sokoban |
| 04:25:34 | Rick | when you go past level 100 it does some weird thing and then exits |
| 04:25:40 | rasher | I guess I'm responsible for that :\ |
| 04:25:44 | rasher | the solitaire thing |
| 04:25:50 | Rick | hehe |
| 04:26:11 | rasher | unless this was one of the changes from my patch to inclusion |
| 04:26:18 | Rick | hm? |
| 04:26:22 | Rick | which patch? |
| 04:26:45 | rasher | iriver keybindings for solitaire |
| 04:26:50 | Rick | oh ;p |
| 04:28:11 | rasher | totally my fault |
| 04:28:18 | Rick | hehe |
| 04:28:28 | Rick | no worries |
| 04:28:36 | Rick | it just took me a second to figure out how to do it since it was mislabeled |
| 04:28:36 | Rick | ;P |
| 04:31:21 | alxcm | lol |
| 04:31:24 | alxcm | you guys are awesome |
| 04:31:37 | alxcm | i wish i had the time to get seriously into embedded OS development |
| 04:31:58 | Rick | it's not hard |
| 04:32:00 | alxcm | i'm still a fledgling in C/C |
| 04:32:04 | Rick | C/C? |
| 04:32:06 | alxcm | *C plus plus |
| 04:32:13 | alxcm | darn cgi client |
| 04:32:14 | rasher | Rockbox is 95% C |
| 04:32:22 | rasher | (rough estimate) |
| 04:32:32 | Rick | what's the other 5%? asm? |
| 04:32:34 | * | fuzzie watches someone have converted it to perl behind rasher's back |
| 04:32:35 | alxcm | hang on, i'm getting sick of this |
| 04:32:40 | alxcm | haha |
| 04:32:48 | * | alxcm disconnects to reconnect with irssi |
| 04:32:49 | rasher | fuzzie: :< |
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| 04:33:06 | rasher | most of the scripts are perl actually |
| 04:33:11 | rasher | it makes me cry :( |
| 04:33:38 | Rick | I want to port Lua to the rockbox for the sake of being able to make script plugins directly from the iriver itself |
| 04:33:38 | Rick | ;P |
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| 04:34:31 | alxcm | ahh much better |
| 04:34:34 | * | alxcm pats irssi |
| 04:35:29 | alxcm | so anyway, do you think it would be hard for me to pick up rockbox devel? |
| 04:35:29 | rasher | mmm irssi |
| 04:35:40 | rasher | If you know C, not at all |
| 04:35:41 | Rick | alxcm: it's not hard |
| 04:35:44 | Rick | I picked it up in an evening |
| 04:35:46 | alxcm | haha |
| 04:35:52 | rasher | unless you're going to do hardware stuff |
| 04:35:53 | alxcm | rasher: i *sort of* know C |
| 04:35:58 | alxcm | in that i can write in C syntax |
| 04:36:04 | alxcm | but i need lots of practice |
| 04:36:51 | fuzzie | and what better to practice with than rockbox? :) |
| 04:37:53 | alxcm | of course |
| 04:38:10 | Rick | Hehe |
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| 04:40:24 | alxcm | what assembly is this |
| 04:41:57 | Rick | whatever assembly the coldfire has |
| 04:41:57 | Rick | ;P |
| 04:42:12 | alxcm | haha okay |
| 04:42:26 | alxcm | i'm assuming #1 references a register |
| 04:42:39 | Rick | #1? from what? |
| 04:43:50 | alxcm | it's in the assembly |
| 04:43:57 | alxcm | descramble.S i believe |
| 04:44:19 | Soul_Eater | so what's limiting us to WAV playback |
| 04:47:32 | rasher | Mainly the codec api missing |
| 04:54:52 | alxcm | fun |
| 04:55:16 | * | alxcm is having the time of his life reading the rockbox code |
| 04:55:37 | Rick | hehe |
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| 04:57:04 | Soul_Eater | and where do we find it |
| 04:57:15 | Rick | find what? |
| 04:58:33 | alxcm | brb all |
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| 05:02:14 | Soul_Eater | the missing codec api |
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| 05:05:37 | alxcm | haha |
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| 08:14:35 | Rick | wow |
| 08:14:41 | Rick | features section really needs a good cleaning |
| 08:19:50 | LinusN | oh? |
| 08:20:23 | Rick | feature suggestion thing, rather |
| 08:20:30 | Rick | er, requests ;) |
| 08:21:30 | LinusN | yeah, we are thinking about scrapping it altogether... |
| 08:21:41 | Rick | ah |
| 08:21:54 | Rick | Nice idea in theory, just needs to be moderated more |
| 08:22:32 | LinusN | yeah, and we simply don't have the time... |
| 08:22:40 | Rick | hehe |
| 08:23:33 | LinusN | we would love to have someone take care of stuff like that |
| 08:26:58 | Rick | hmmmm.... my gentoo vmware doesn't want to boot |
| 08:26:58 | Rick | odd |
| 08:30:10 | Rick | not responding to pings either |
| 08:30:11 | Rick | hmmmm |
| 08:32:55 | * | Bagder enters |
| 08:33:38 | Rick | greetings Bad |
| 08:33:41 | Rick | Bagder |
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| 08:41:11 | LinusN | hola Bagder |
| 08:41:59 | Rick | well |
| 08:42:02 | Rick | this is a tad bit annoying |
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| 08:57:35 | Rick | eggcellent |
| 08:57:39 | Rick | reboot seems to have fixed it |
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| 09:12:11 | pengo | hi. noob. got an ihp 120. i can't find the rockbox rom to upload. :) |
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| 09:12:49 | Bagder | upload? |
| 09:12:53 | LinusN | pengo: there is none |
| 09:13:44 | pengo | Bagder: to the device |
| 09:13:49 | Bagder | oh |
| 09:13:55 | LinusN | pengo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot |
| 09:15:09 | pengo | i saw a picture of the iriver playing mario but the page warns "This is for the time being only for developers. Rockbox is not even close to useful for ordinary users."... should i jsut ignore that then? :) |
| 09:15:45 | Bagder | it is up to you |
| 09:15:52 | pengo | i mean is it somewhat usable? |
| 09:16:02 | Bagder | it doesn't play any sounds yet |
| 09:16:07 | pengo | oh |
| 09:16:27 | pengo | mario yes, audio no |
| 09:16:32 | Bagder | so, "only for developers" actually means... eh, for developers ;-) |
| 09:16:39 | pengo | ok thanks :) |
| 09:16:53 | Bagder | ...and gameboy junkies |
| 09:17:06 | pengo | ah |
| 09:19:49 | HCl | :P |
| 09:19:55 | HCl | morning |
| 09:20:06 | pengo | the features list paints a different picture.. :) http://www.rockbox.org/docs/features.html |
| 09:20:23 | Bagder | it doesn't mention sound |
| 09:20:48 | pengo | "Background noise during playback" implies "playback".. but i guess that's just me |
| 09:20:53 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort |
| 09:21:01 | Bagder | pengo: Rockbox already works |
| 09:21:05 | Bagder | for many players |
| 09:21:07 | Bagder | with sound |
| 09:21:09 | ashridah | pengo: if you really wanted to play gameboy, for the time being, borrow a gameboy, or use some gameboy emulator on a pc |
| 09:21:11 | Bagder | just not for iRiver |
| 09:21:46 | pengo | ashridah: yah, i'm just a guy who followed a slashdot link and got confused |
| 09:21:54 | Bagder | hehe |
| 09:22:02 | pengo | thanks for help |
| 09:22:07 | Bagder | slashdot news are always premature |
| 09:22:16 | ashridah | pengo: could be worse, you could have assumed you'd be able to play it in realtime speed on an archos :) |
| 09:22:29 | pengo | heh |
| 09:22:38 | ashridah | Bagder: fortunately, that kind of thing tends to reduce the chance of having babies :) |
| 09:23:05 | Bagder | :-P |
| 09:23:51 | pengo | is the hard drive a normal laptop hard drive? |
| 09:24:11 | Bagder | no, its a 1.8" in the iRiver |
| 09:25:44 | ashridah | laptop hd's are around 2.5" iirc |
| 09:25:53 | Bagder | yes |
| 09:25:55 | ashridah | Bagder: i thought it was the 1.6" platter |
| 09:26:02 | ashridah | the 1.8's being 60G and above |
| 09:26:09 | ashridah | 1.8"'s rather |
| 09:26:34 | Bagder | not above |
| 09:26:52 | Bagder | it is 1.8" |
| 09:27:05 | ashridah | ah. i clearly have the numbers mixed up |
| 09:27:07 | * | ashridah shuts up |
| 09:27:31 | Bagder | for 2.5" you can get 100GB, with a 120GB just recently announced |
| 09:27:48 | Bagder | 1.8" they say an 80GB will ship in Q3 2005 |
| 09:28:04 | Bagder | iirc |
| 09:28:50 | pengo | can it be upgraded easily? |
| 09:29:03 | * | Bagder runs away |
| 09:29:24 | pengo | i'll take that as a no |
| 09:30:20 | pengo | can't just swap one drive for another? |
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| 09:32:43 | El | Hi |
| 09:32:44 | pengo | hi El |
| 09:32:59 | El | maybe some could help I |
| 09:33:36 | El | I'm a developer, but I never worked with linux/cygwin (strange, but life is like it) |
| 09:33:57 | El | and I've some problems in installing the compilation environnement |
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| 09:34:29 | El | I followed these instructions : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 09:34:50 | El | but I can't use the m68k-elf-gcc compiler ! |
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| 09:36:14 | LinusN | El_Gringo: define "can't use" |
| 09:36:56 | El_Gringo | It's not found |
| 09:37:53 | LinusN | change the PATH then |
| 09:38:09 | El_Gringo | ...how ? :-/ |
| 09:38:18 | LinusN | before you do, i must say that the cygwin m68k compiler doesn't work for rockbox |
| 09:38:37 | El_Gringo | so, I can't compile if I use cygwin ? |
| 09:40:10 | LinusN | yes you can, but you'll have to build the compiler yourself |
| 09:40:48 | El_Gringo | following these instructions http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler ? |
| 09:42:04 | El_Gringo | ok, I'll try |
| 09:43:41 | LinusN | good luck |
| 09:44:38 | El_Gringo | thank u very much. (not easy for I "first use" of a linux environement) |
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| 09:56:34 | pengo | does rockbox for iriver (hp120) record ok? |
| 09:57:13 | El_Gringo | no |
| 09:57:22 | pengo | :( |
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| 10:21:27 | Bluechip | Hi there, I've just downloaded and installed the m68k cygwin packages from lassauge.fr (v3.4.3) and added the appropriate to my path ...I configured rockbox for "iriver, normal build, english" and when I type 'make' the 'Assembler' gives the error "Error: unrecognized architecture specification `5249'" while attempting to 'CC' backlight.c ...is this a known problem - and more to the point does anybody know how to stop it or |
| 10:21:51 | ashridah | you can't use cygwin's m68k configured gcc to compile rockbox |
| 10:21:58 | ashridah | you'll need to compile your own version of gcc |
| 10:22:00 | ashridah | (apparently) |
| 10:22:09 | ashridah | probably binutils as well |
| 10:22:15 | Bluechip | :O |
| 10:22:19 | Bluechip | ah! |
| 10:22:35 | ashridah | ala http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 10:23:14 | Bluechip | reading... |
| 10:24:34 | Bluechip | hmmm, do you know if anybody has performed this task and made their pre-compiled version available? |
| 10:25:22 | El_Gringo | Ho yes, please, give me the m68k-elf compiled ! |
| 10:25:32 | El_Gringo | I too boring for the "linux first user" that I'm ! |
| 10:26:12 | ashridah | Bluechip: not to my knowledge, although i imagine if someone's got it built into a self-contained location it could be done. |
| 10:26:14 | LinusN | Bluechip: not that i know of |
| 10:26:22 | LinusN | hi Bluechip, btw |
| 10:26:34 | Bluechip | Hi LinusN |
| 10:26:35 | Bluechip | :) |
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| 10:27:57 | Bluechip | I've been asked by a couple of people to update the devkit - I've weeded out all the issues with the changes to the sh1 stuff - thought maybe I would add the m68k stuff while I am in there |
| 10:29:33 | LinusN | sure |
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| 10:43:37 | Bluechip | LinusN: Do you know of an iRiver developer who might be kind enough to contribute the pre-compiled files to the devkit? |
| 10:44:21 | LinusN | hang on |
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| 10:51:06 | LinusN | Bluechip: http://linus.haxx.se/m68k.zip |
| 10:51:27 | Bluechip | You are a gentleman, thank you :) |
| 10:52:12 | LinusN | gcc-3.4.3 and binutils from 2005-02-17 |
| 10:53:20 | LinusN | to save space, you should be able to remove all libraries but the 5200 ones |
| 10:54:05 | Bluechip | thanks, what I will do is run a test compile with "filemon" running in the background and build a list of all required files from it's output |
| 10:54:07 | LinusN | i.e /usr/local/m68k/lib/gcc/m68k-elf/3.4.3/m5206e etc |
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| 12:33:42 | Bluechip | LinusN: thanks for the m68k stuff - perfect first time (not that I would expect any less from you) ...I don't suppose you happen to have the calmrisc files also please? |
| 12:34:00 | LinusN | no i don't... :-( |
| 12:34:16 | Bluechip | do you know anyone who might have? |
| 12:34:56 | Bluechip | must say - specify base address for flashing etc ...looks like scary stuff that perhaps those who require a simple devkit, should not be playing |
| 12:35:52 | LinusN | hehe |
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| 12:41:50 | ashridah | ... what do guitars have to do with flashing? >:) |
| 12:42:25 | Bluechip | lol |
| 12:54:17 | LinusN | lunch time |
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| 13:00:08 | ashridah | okay. does someone want to explain how i'm supposed to convert 5.36x10^297 into some sort of english description of a length of time other than 'fucking long' |
| 13:00:09 | ashridah | ? |
| 13:00:18 | ashridah | (preferably within a spreadsheet :) ) |
| 13:00:36 | Bluechip | LMAO |
| 13:01:10 | ashridah | heh. knowing my luck, it'll end up being 'several big bangs, a few epochs, a few billion years, 12 months and 2 days, 4 hours, 21 minutes, 59 seconds and a few zillion nths of a second |
| 13:01:19 | Bluechip | LOL |
| 13:01:25 | Bluechip | i have to ask .....WHY!? |
| 13:01:26 | ashridah | i hate computing theory sometimes |
| 13:01:52 | ashridah | Bluechip: it's an algorithmic demonstration of the idea that problems can be solvable but still intractable because they take an insanely long amount of time |
| 13:02:08 | Bluechip | presume the measurement be in femtoseconds? |
| 13:02:16 | ashridah | handy for encryption, sucky for everything else. |
| 13:02:40 | Bluechip | describe it as an O |
| 13:02:50 | ashridah | eh? |
| 13:02:57 | Bluechip | Big O theory |
| 13:03:12 | ashridah | as in 'worst case scenario measurement'? |
| 13:03:19 | ashridah | this is outside the scope of O notation |
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| 13:03:28 | Bluechip | :( |
| 13:03:32 | ashridah | since there's no actual algorithm |
| 13:03:39 | Bluechip | ah |
| 13:04:23 | ashridah | just the lecturer saying 'if you needed 1000 iterations, and 1 iteration took XYZ amount of time, and the algorithm needed 2^n+n^2 operations to complete... |
| 13:04:26 | ashridah | etc |
| 13:04:33 | ashridah | how long does this take in english |
| 13:04:49 | ashridah | to which the answer is 'sometime after at least one big crunch' |
| 13:05:12 | ashridah | i can't wait until we move onto grammars :( |
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| 13:23:22 | ashridah | hahaha. okay. looks like it approaches .01 centillion years (apparently 10^303)) |
| 13:24:51 | Bluechip | That reminds me of the time I met the dude who thought up pyramids |
| 13:24:53 | Bluechip | lol |
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| 13:59:23 | Twaz | www.otomotivshow.com |
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| 14:52:18 | DeadMan | is anyone working on the api? coz without it, no music :) |
| 14:53:25 | DeadMan | at least that's from what I understand? |
| 14:53:54 | LinusN | that's correct |
| 14:54:17 | DeadMan | a common grounding for the codecs to plugin to right? |
| 14:54:24 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:54:36 | DeadMan | k I am not as dumb as I first thought lol |
| 14:54:56 | LinusN | :-) |
| 14:56:01 | DeadMan | watched that leaked new Dr Who series episode earlier. I think that is enough to dumb anyone's mind :P |
| 14:56:11 | DeadMan | really awfull |
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| 15:05:04 | Jort_xclef | good afternoon |
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| 15:05:41 | DeadMan | is it? |
| 15:05:43 | DeadMan | ;) |
| 15:05:53 | Jort_xclef | propably |
| 15:05:58 | Jort_xclef | p=b |
| 15:06:19 | Jort_xclef | why shouldn't it? |
| 15:06:25 | Jort_xclef | why should it? |
| 15:06:36 | DeadMan | come what may |
| 15:06:45 | DeadMan | cumquat may |
| 15:06:49 | Jort_xclef | the weather is nice anyway :P |
| 15:07:00 | DeadMan | depends where you live |
| 15:07:05 | Jort_xclef | Netherlands |
| 15:07:17 | DeadMan | The Nether Netherlands? :) |
| 15:07:27 | Jort_xclef | The Nether Netherlands yeah |
| 15:07:44 | Jort_xclef | that little tolerant country in Europe |
| 15:08:01 | DeadMan | How is Captain Hook? |
| 15:08:17 | Jort_xclef | great |
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| 15:08:32 | DeadMan | cool cool |
| 15:08:59 | Jort_xclef | where are you from? |
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| 15:09:11 | DeadMan | My mothers womb |
| 15:09:29 | Jort_xclef | nice place over there, yeah |
| 15:10:09 | Jort_xclef | are you one of the devteam? |
| 15:10:14 | DeadMan | United Kingdom of America |
| 15:10:23 | DeadMan | Also known as Great Britain |
| 15:10:33 | Jort_xclef | haha UKA |
| 15:10:40 | Jort_xclef | silly Blair |
| 15:10:48 | Jort_xclef | and silly Bush of course |
| 15:10:49 | DeadMan | just and idler |
| 15:10:52 | DeadMan | an |
| 15:11:22 | Jort_xclef | I'll take that as a 'no' |
| 15:11:34 | * | DeadMan pokes LinusN |
| 15:11:38 | LinusN | ouch |
| 15:11:53 | DeadMan | He likes to idle too ;) |
| 15:12:02 | Jort_xclef | hehe |
| 15:12:24 | DeadMan | Idle dev at work (Or not as the case may be) |
| 15:12:39 | Jort_xclef | exactly |
| 15:12:42 | LinusN | "at work" is very correct |
| 15:12:50 | preglow | devs are better when they're idle on irc |
| 15:12:51 | preglow | trust me |
| 15:12:55 | DeadMan | watchoo talkin' 'bout Willis? |
| 15:13:23 | DeadMan | yeah it means they might actually be developing ;) |
| 15:13:34 | LinusN | or working... |
| 15:13:47 | DeadMan | same thing? |
| 15:13:57 | LinusN | (which is developing in my case, but not rockbox) |
| 15:14:08 | * | DeadMan develops a headache |
| 15:14:27 | * | LinusN has a job |
| 15:14:35 | DeadMan | brb |
| 15:14:38 | * | Jort_xclef does not have a job |
| 15:15:03 | LinusN | but you have an xclef :-) |
| 15:15:03 | Jort_xclef | get some aspirine? |
| 15:15:12 | Jort_xclef | I have an Xclef, exactly |
| 15:15:22 | LinusN | which model? |
| 15:15:27 | Jort_xclef | HD-500 |
| 15:15:30 | Jort_xclef | the Korean |
| 15:15:31 | LinusN | ah |
| 15:15:35 | Jort_xclef | MCL's |
| 15:15:45 | LinusN | coldfire, right? |
| 15:15:50 | Jort_xclef | yeah |
| 15:16:02 | Jort_xclef | at least, that's what I've heard |
| 15:16:07 | LinusN | me too |
| 15:16:17 | Jort_xclef | an XCLEF or a coldfire? |
| 15:16:42 | Jort_xclef | though, some French guys made a tool which you can use for changing the pictures/symbols |
| 15:16:44 | LinusN | "me too" -> heard that hd-500 has a coldfire |
| 15:16:54 | Jort_xclef | that way |
| 15:16:59 | preglow | learn assembler |
| 15:17:04 | preglow | lovely way of spending the day |
| 15:17:13 | LinusN | preglow: or week, or month... |
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| 15:17:45 | LinusN | preglow: dct hangover? |
| 15:17:53 | preglow | i hate it |
| 15:17:57 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:18:03 | Jort_xclef | is your last name Torvalds as well? |
| 15:18:10 | LinusN | Nielsen Feltzing |
| 15:18:10 | Jort_xclef | :D |
| 15:18:14 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:18:16 | preglow | i tried rewriting the first imdct in libmad |
| 15:18:17 | Jort_xclef | Swedish? |
| 15:18:21 | LinusN | yup |
| 15:18:22 | preglow | but i can't see much to improve, really |
| 15:18:29 | LinusN | preglow: oh |
| 15:18:30 | Jort_xclef | why Linus then? |
| 15:18:32 | Lynx_ | LinusN: is Nielsen a middle name or a part of the last name? |
| 15:18:37 | LinusN | middle name |
| 15:18:37 | preglow | Jort_xclef: linus is a name, you know |
| 15:19:00 | Jort_xclef | yeah I know |
| 15:19:23 | Jort_xclef | thought his name was Nielsen |
| 15:19:26 | LinusN | Jort_xclef: Linus Nielsen Feltzing |
| 15:19:35 | Jort_xclef | that way! :) |
| 15:19:45 | preglow | LinusN: it consists mainly of data moving and simple arithmetic, which i think gcc is way better at converting to assembler than i am |
| 15:19:47 | LinusN | was Linus Nielsen before i married |
| 15:19:57 | LinusN | preglow: probably |
| 15:20:12 | LinusN | no need to work that hard to save a handful of cycles |
| 15:20:20 | preglow | so i'm left with trying to convert the arm imdct |
| 15:20:24 | preglow | which looks pretty tight |
| 15:20:30 | Jort_xclef | btw, are you also using Linux? |
| 15:20:34 | LinusN | yes |
| 15:20:40 | LinusN | at home |
| 15:20:47 | LinusN | windows at work |
| 15:20:56 | Lynx_ | LinusN: so it's part of the last name ;) |
| 15:21:03 | LinusN | yeah |
| 15:21:11 | LinusN | sort of |
| 15:21:50 | Jort_xclef | think I have to do some homework, that's a kind of work as well |
| 15:22:01 | preglow | the arm imdct is full of nice stuff i can use the emac for |
| 15:22:36 | preglow | i'll give it a go for an hour, and then do other stuff |
| 15:22:42 | preglow | i hate prioritizing |
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| 15:22:50 | Jort_xclef | cyall |
| 15:22:54 | LinusN | cu |
| 15:22:57 | Jort_xclef | coffee, good idea |
| 15:22:59 | Jort_xclef | :) |
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| 15:28:47 | LinusN | time to go home |
| 15:28:52 | LinusN | cu around guys |
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| 15:34:22 | DeadMan | preglow do you know anything about writing an api for iriver? is that a big job? |
| 15:37:01 | DeadMan | nevermind....wanders off |
| 15:40:30 | preglow | it requires thought |
| 15:40:53 | preglow | and i'm better at more hands on stuff, i'm afraid |
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| 16:29:11 | preglow | JAG HAR FORLORAD MINA BYXOR |
| 16:31:30 | * | Bagder looks at preglow |
| 16:33:45 | preglow | what, you've never seen a person with no trousers before? |
| 16:34:16 | Bagder | no, its news to me! |
| 16:34:20 | Bagder | :-) |
| 16:34:55 | preglow | i left the keyboard for a few moments and my neighbour granted himself a few liberties |
| 16:35:26 | Bagder | he took your trousers? B*] |
| 16:35:40 | preglow | hahaha |
| 16:35:51 | preglow | let's say so, makes for a much more interesting story |
| 16:36:41 | HCl | lol. |
| 16:37:28 | Bagder | first CD ripping, then DVD ripping and now... trouser ripping |
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| 16:41:37 | Tomas2 | hi |
| 16:42:35 | Bagder | howdy |
| 16:42:38 | preglow | wow, arm doesn't have _that_ many registers |
| 16:43:40 | Bagder | 15 or so isn't it? |
| 16:43:46 | preglow | yes, one is pc |
| 16:43:49 | preglow | and one is sp |
| 16:43:53 | Bagder | right |
| 16:44:19 | * | Bagder has worked with ARM7s, StrongARMs and XScale |
| 16:44:29 | Tomas2 | I have a general C/C++ question.. maybe you know it... |
| 16:44:42 | Tomas2 | I have to calculator with _very_ long numbers... |
| 16:44:51 | Tomas2 | the longest is 1e1.000.000 |
| 16:45:00 | Tomas2 | so 1 * 10^1000000 |
| 16:45:01 | preglow | ehh |
| 16:45:07 | preglow | how the hell are you hoping to represent that? |
| 16:45:10 | Tomas2 | but that doesn't fit a normal long :) |
| 16:45:18 | preglow | yes, nor a bloody long double |
| 16:45:23 | Bagder | Tomas2: then you need to write code to handle it |
| 16:45:32 | preglow | you'll need to write your own number code |
| 16:45:32 | Tomas2 | yeah, but how? |
| 16:45:38 | preglow | do you need floating point? |
| 16:45:41 | Tomas2 | damn... lot of work... |
| 16:45:45 | Tomas2 | no, integers |
| 16:45:53 | preglow | these kinds of libs are written |
| 16:45:59 | Tomas2 | hm.. GPL? |
| 16:46:01 | preglow | the guys who're calculating extremely long primes, for example |
| 16:46:15 | preglow | perl has a Bignum module as well |
| 16:46:27 | Tomas2 | yeah, that's a part of what the program has to do... |
| 16:47:30 | Tomas2 | http://swox.com/gmp/ |
| 16:47:45 | Tomas2 | is that what you mean? |
| 16:47:49 | Bagder | that seemed a pretty big lib though |
| 16:48:14 | Tomas2 | yeah.. and ofcourse I need a fast one too ;) |
| 16:48:28 | Bagder | "about 140 arithmetic and logic functions" |
| 16:48:34 | preglow | what operations do you need? |
| 16:49:46 | Tomas2 | mod, add, substract |
| 16:49:55 | preglow | shouldn't be too hard |
| 16:49:59 | Tomas2 | oh and devide |
| 16:50:11 | preglow | especially not in assembly |
| 16:50:15 | preglow | where you've got carry |
| 16:50:30 | Tomas2 | yeah, maybe I should write it in asm anyway... |
| 16:50:53 | Tomas2 | but the only asm I can is write some text... and a long time ago I wrote a little bootloader.. |
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| 16:51:19 | Bagder | I don't think you should do it in asm |
| 16:51:50 | Tomas2 | isn't that a lot faster? |
| 16:52:07 | Bagder | perhaps, but you are better of writing a smart C implementation |
| 16:52:13 | Bagder | and then possibly optimizing it afterwards |
| 16:52:36 | Tomas2 | yeah that's true... |
| 16:52:40 | preglow | not much faster, no, i was thinking of the plus of having carry to do the add and sub |
| 16:52:55 | preglow | in c you'll probably need double wide variables |
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| 16:53:32 | preglow | which will be slow |
| 16:54:44 | Tomas2 | when i compile ot for 64 bits... it's much faster with long numbers isn't it? |
| 16:54:48 | Tomas2 | o=i |
| 16:55:02 | Bagder | "for 64 bits" ? |
| 16:55:29 | Tomas2 | yeah, it has to run on athlon64 |
| 16:55:43 | Tomas2 | and there are optimized compilers for that... |
| 16:55:48 | Bagder | a 64bit CPU deals with 64 bit numbers faster, yes |
| 16:55:49 | Tomas2 | does that make any speed change? |
| 16:56:13 | Bagder | use gcc -m |
| 16:56:23 | Bagder | to optimize for your arch |
| 16:57:42 | preglow | if you can compile for 64 bits, you'll still need double wide variables if you want to utilize the full register width |
| 16:57:52 | Tomas2 | tnx for the help.. I'm gonna search for a lib |
| 16:57:53 | preglow | what's a long long? |
| 16:57:59 | Bagder | 64bit |
| 16:57:59 | preglow | in amd64, i mean |
| 16:58:01 | Tomas2 | a long using double the bytes? |
| 16:58:13 | Bagder | preglow: its still 64bit there I believe |
| 16:58:32 | Tomas2 | long = 4 bytes = 32 bits? long long = 8 bytes = 64 bits? |
| 16:58:46 | preglow | Tomas2: depends on the arch |
| 16:58:48 | Tomas2 | maybe in amd64 they will expand it to 128? |
| 16:58:51 | preglow | a long is 64 bits on amd64 |
| 16:59:32 | preglow | no, i seriously doubt they have expanded it to 128 bits |
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| 17:00:29 | Bagder | C99 seems to allow more than 64bits for long long though |
| 17:07:58 | lolo-laptop | more likely people will just use a type like uint_128 for a 128 bit integer for clarity and cross platform compliation eh? |
| 17:08:56 | preglow | well, it hasn't happened thus far |
| 17:09:24 | Bagder | and uint_128 is not in C99 |
| 17:09:27 | Bagder | long long is |
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| 17:25:00 | Bluechip | Hi everybody ...Just a quick announcement: |
| 17:25:00 | Bluechip | I have just updated the Rockbox Windows Dev Kit (now v3.10) to include both the sh1 and m68k compilers (I have yet to procure the calmrisc compiler) and works perfectly with todays CVS. |
| 17:25:00 | Bluechip | Download it at the usual place: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems ...and feel free to offer me any feedback that it may inspire you to :) |
| 17:33:51 | Rick | I suggest a wiki page for it |
| 17:40:20 | preglow | yes, that would be clever |
| 17:40:44 | Bluechip | there is a link on the links page already :) |
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| 17:44:44 | preglow | there should be a mention on the crosscompilers page |
| 17:45:33 | Rick | Off to college now :) |
| 17:45:38 | * | Rick waves |
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| 20:06:23 | preglow | fifteen bloody lines to negate an accumulator, hooray |
| 20:12:20 | preglow | and it doesn't work to top it off! |
| 20:12:37 | Strath | oy |
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| 21:11:49 | HCl | yay. |
| 21:11:51 | HCl | iriver rocks. |
| 21:11:52 | HCl | o.o |
| 21:12:02 | HCl | especially it being usb2 :x |
| 21:12:26 | * | HCl used it to copy all disney movies to his sis's laptop who's in the hospital :) |
| 21:12:40 | fuzzie | usb2: the choice of people too cheap to use firewire |
| 21:12:51 | HCl | lol. |
| 21:13:08 | HCl | i only have firewire in 2 of my comps |
| 21:13:11 | HCl | while all of them have usb |
| 21:13:42 | Strath | well, seeing as how few computers ship with fireware installed..... |
| 21:14:26 | HCl | yea, only one of my comp has it installed on its motherboard.. the other one just happens to have an audigy that supports it |
| 21:16:02 | SoulEata | apple is discontinuing firewire i heard |
| 21:16:18 | fuzzie | no, they're just not shipping the cables :) |
| 21:16:44 | preglow | haha |
| 21:16:59 | preglow | i couldn't give a rats ass as to whether use usb2 or firewire |
| 21:17:08 | preglow | the disk is the bottleneck anyway |
| 21:17:57 | HCl | yes but if you only have firewire |
| 21:17:59 | fuzzie | ah, slow disk? |
| 21:18:04 | preglow | i've got both |
| 21:18:04 | HCl | there are far from as many comps you can plug it into |
| 21:18:16 | HCl | then it doesn't matter |
| 21:18:27 | preglow | i've never used the firewire port, though |
| 21:18:39 | preglow | i've got about four usb ports used |
| 21:18:54 | HCl | i think one of my flatmates has an mp3 player of creative with only firewire.. |
| 21:19:01 | HCl | but only cause his usb cable broke |
| 21:19:02 | HCl | heh. |
| 21:19:12 | HCl | i have 3 ports used, plus 2 4 port usb hubs |
| 21:19:52 | preglow | got seven total, i think |
| 21:19:53 | HCl | all my piphereals (spelling is wrong, i know) are usb o.O; |
| 21:20:07 | preglow | hahah, not just wrong, _very_ wrong :P |
| 21:20:15 | HCl | please correct :) |
| 21:20:19 | HCl | can't learn otherwise |
| 21:20:20 | preglow | peripherals |
| 21:20:25 | HCl | peripherals |
| 21:20:28 | HCl | odd word, ok, thanks :) |
| 21:20:44 | preglow | i almost like your version better |
| 21:20:48 | HCl | xD |
| 21:20:57 | preglow | i use usb for mouse, camera, h120 and midi keyboard |
| 21:21:12 | HCl | usb for... |
| 21:21:21 | preglow | works lovely, apart from when the mouse suddenly dies when i plug in the midi keyboard |
| 21:21:28 | HCl | printer,scanner, keyboard,mouse, ps2 dancepad, steering wheel... iriver... |
| 21:21:31 | HCl | my pda |
| 21:21:45 | HCl | i think thats it.. |
| 21:21:46 | preglow | ahh, steering wheel... |
| 21:21:48 | preglow | i want |
| 21:21:50 | HCl | hehehhe |
| 21:21:57 | HCl | it works sweet with the latest need for speed things. |
| 21:21:58 | HCl | but |
| 21:22:01 | HCl | nowadays i have a car |
| 21:22:03 | HCl | sooo >.o |
| 21:22:21 | preglow | much more dangerous to drive irresponsibly with a real car |
| 21:22:26 | HCl | ofcourse. |
| 21:22:30 | preglow | in a game, it's obligatory |
| 21:22:41 | preglow | mandatory, i mean |
| 21:22:45 | HCl | you can only accelerate fast in a real car |
| 21:22:51 | HCl | in need for speed you can go all out :) |
| 21:23:00 | HCl | anyways, force feedback rocks, and stuff <3 |
| 21:24:04 | preglow | deed |
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| 21:27:50 | hile | HCl: hope you don't mean force feedback in your _real_ car ;) |
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| 22:06:50 | HCl | hile: trust me, my car can give much more force feedback than my normal steering wheel |
| 22:06:53 | HCl | g-forces rule :d |
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| 22:18:17 | mirak | lol |
| 22:18:34 | mirak | HCl: have you tried daytona or virtua Racing ? |
| 22:25:19 | HCl | no |
| 22:25:32 | HCl | i only really play need for speed o.o |
| 22:25:56 | mirak | you know the big arcade games |
| 22:26:08 | mirak | in arcade hall |
| 22:26:14 | mirak | s |
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| 22:42:27 | webguest15 | hello? |
| 22:42:36 | Bagder | hi |
| 22:42:45 | mirak | de lu |
| 22:43:26 | webguest15 | i was wondering i tried the windows development environment that was put out by someone on here |
| 22:44:15 | webguest15 | and followed the directions to build the daily tarball but for some reason the daily tarball was missing the makesrc.inc i had to download it from the cvs separately |
| 22:44:33 | Bagder | ah |
| 22:44:34 | Bagder | right |
| 22:44:38 | webguest15 | this relevant or not? |
| 22:44:40 | Bagder | me fix |
| 22:44:44 | webguest15 | thank you |
| 22:45:26 | Bagder | done |
| 22:45:31 | webguest15 | not a big deal just was confusing for a few minutes why make could not find it in the tools folder |
| 22:45:50 | Bagder | I can understand that |
| 22:45:52 | webguest15 | sweet thanks for all your hard work |
| 22:46:28 | webguest15 | #quit time to go home |
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| 23:02:48 | HCl | mrf. |
| 23:02:50 | HCl | sup? |
| 23:19:10 | HCl | geeze :/ |
| 23:19:14 | preglow | :-D |
| 23:20:46 | mirak | anyone have iriver H320 |
| 23:20:47 | mirak | ? |
| 23:21:00 | HCl | lolo-laptop has 340.. |
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| 23:30:00 | HCl | hey XShocK .. |
| 23:30:11 | HCl | any news on ata dma? |
| 23:31:19 | shx | hi all |
| 23:31:46 | HCl | hello.. |
| 23:32:39 | shx | i got a big issue here : just updated from cvs, copied to iriver... and checksum fails for rockbox, original firmware starts.. and freeze during "read file system" phase... any ideas ? |
| 23:33:23 | Bagder | I suggest a scandisk or similar |
| 23:33:24 | shx | hope i didn't kill it :-( |
| 23:33:45 | shx | how to do a scandisk when you cant mount the file system ? |
| 23:34:21 | shx | could the bootloader check for usb connection ? |
| 23:34:26 | Bagder | hm |
| 23:34:29 | Bagder | right, that's hard |
| 23:34:34 | shx | without the firmware to be readable ? |
| 23:34:48 | shx | anyway, have this pb of checksum been reported ? |
| 23:34:57 | Bagder | not to my knowledge |
| 23:35:07 | shx | i got a working toolchian, been doing updates for a while now |
| 23:35:16 | Bagder | it sounds like you got a broken image somehow |
| 23:35:24 | Bagder | the checksum should be right |
| 23:35:54 | shx | ... |
| 23:35:56 | shx | any ideas ? |
| 23:36:25 | Bagder | if you inser the usb cable before you power on the unit, does it still try to "read file system" ? |
| 23:36:42 | Bagder | and, how long did you wait? |
| 23:36:53 | XShocK | HCL: hi |
| 23:36:55 | shx | a long time |
| 23:37:04 | shx | 10 mins or so |
| 23:37:20 | XShocK | yes.. there is a very small difference |
| 23:37:32 | shx | i reset the player, trying to plug cable before |
| 23:37:57 | XShocK | on writing my implementation was even slower |
| 23:38:16 | shx | i'm afraid it doesn't work.... |
| 23:38:21 | XShocK | i spoke with Linus. he said that it will probably will not be faster |
| 23:38:50 | shx | O.H M.Y G.O.D.. I killed my iriver.... |
| 23:38:55 | shx | no ? |
| 23:38:58 | shx | please help § |
| 23:38:59 | XShocK | and i actually test the ata driver.. and it actually is really fast. 5 mb/sec. |
| 23:39:39 | XShocK | shx: secribe what heppened? |
| 23:40:05 | XShocK | does original firmware starts when you reset it? |
| 23:40:09 | shx | exactly : i updated from cvs 20 min ago or so |
| 23:40:21 | shx | downloaded to iriver |
| 23:40:38 | shx | as i do everyday since 2 weeks or |
| 23:40:39 | shx | so |
| 23:41:00 | shx | unplugged the cable.. without cleanly unmounting the thingie |
| 23:41:06 | shx | with is maybe my mistake |
| 23:41:11 | shx | wich |
| 23:41:29 | shx | and rockbox starts, tells checksum fails |
| 23:41:51 | shx | , original firware starts, and freeze buring "read file system" operation |
| 23:41:56 | XShocK | ok. reset it with the button. |
| 23:41:56 | shx | during |
| 23:42:02 | shx | i did it |
| 23:42:17 | shx | wi and without usb cable plugged |
| 23:42:20 | XShocK | wait half a second and reset again, and original firmware would start |
| 23:42:32 | shx | it does start, but freezes |
| 23:42:51 | shx | corrupted file sys may cause this u think ? |
| 23:43:12 | Bagder | it looks like that in my eyes |
| 23:43:33 | shx | weel.. is there an ovious solution.. ? |
| 23:43:42 | XShocK | it might be that, but pretty sure it would not freeze that easy |
| 23:44:03 | shx | yet frozen for a while now... |
| 23:44:06 | Bagder | well, I can't think of any other reason |
| 23:44:16 | Bagder | it the original firmware starts and everything |
| 23:44:18 | Bagder | since |
| 23:44:30 | shx | me too... |
| 23:44:31 | preglow | shx: batetry level? |
| 23:44:39 | mirak | 369 euro for a iriver h320 is it correct ? |
| 23:44:41 | Rick | greetings! |
| 23:44:42 | Rick | ;P |
| 23:44:45 | shx | well, should be enough |
| 23:44:51 | mirak | I am very attracted, but that's still a lot of money |
| 23:44:52 | preglow | shx: should isn't good enough |
| 23:44:54 | preglow | shx: charge it |
| 23:44:58 | shx | ok |
| 23:45:06 | preglow | try again in half an hour |
| 23:45:27 | preglow | if it doesn't work then, you've got a problem |
| 23:45:54 | preglow | you flashed the bootloader from cvs right now? |
| 23:46:00 | shx | yep |
| 23:46:01 | shx | nononono |
| 23:46:08 | shx | just firware and all |
| 23:46:30 | shx | bootloader is the one on the wiki |
| 23:46:38 | shx | an 'old' one |
| 23:46:42 | preglow | then i think you're going to be all right |
| 23:46:53 | preglow | just charge for a while |
| 23:47:20 | shx | this kind of things were reported before ? |
| 23:47:32 | preglow | the read file system freeze is well known |
| 23:47:37 | preglow | it's almost always a battery problem |
| 23:47:40 | shx | ok |
| 23:47:45 | preglow | that or a file system problem |
| 23:47:48 | shx | reassuring...a little ! |
| 23:48:00 | Rick | bastid iriver firmware |
| 23:48:03 | shx | but battery level should be fairly high... |
| 23:48:07 | Rick | said I had a full charge when I left today, two hours later it was at one bar |
| 23:48:09 | Rick | >:| |
| 23:48:11 | shx | more than 1/4 i think |
| 23:48:18 | preglow | well, unless you're perfectly certain, it's worth a shot |
| 23:48:37 | shx | more than 'worth'.. needed no ? |
| 23:48:40 | shx | ;-) |
| 23:48:55 | Patr3ck | once I had the same, used the hold button, then reset, this powers off the iriver completely |
| 23:49:11 | Patr3ck | then hold button back, and boot |
| 23:49:15 | Patr3ck | it worked |
| 23:49:20 | shx | good idea |
| 23:49:25 | shx | i'll try that |
| 23:49:47 | Rick | I found a couple gameboy games that play pretty well with current cvs rockboy |
| 23:49:47 | Rick | ;P |
| 23:49:56 | preglow | Rick: then have fun |
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| 23:50:00 | Rick | hehe |
| 23:50:04 | Rick | well, I mean in terms of sped |
| 23:50:11 | Rick | most games are reaaaally slow |
| 23:50:18 | Rick | *speed |
| 23:50:45 | shx | any option like plugging hard drive with a connector on a PC, fix FS, and plug it back to iriver ? |
| 23:50:58 | preglow | dunno |
| 23:51:28 | Bagder | shx: that should be possible too, as a last resort |
| 23:51:33 | Rick | well |
| 23:51:42 | preglow | the crc error thing is kind of surprising |
| 23:51:42 | Rick | odd |
| 23:51:43 | Rick | hehe |
| 23:51:44 | shx | ok |
| 23:51:46 | preglow | it should never happen |
| 23:51:59 | preglow | to me it sounds like the disk is malfunctioning somehow |
| 23:52:05 | shx | i could take a picture of it, believe me ! |
| 23:52:08 | shx | okok |
| 23:52:16 | shx | maybe the file system is corrupted |
| 23:52:20 | Bagder | it might've happened because he didn't umount it properly |
| 23:52:33 | shx | but can that happen with unproper unmount ? |
| 23:52:38 | Rick | depends |
| 23:52:39 | preglow | oh yes |
| 23:52:41 | preglow | might |
| 23:52:42 | Rick | i'm sure it can happen if it's writing |
| 23:52:44 | preglow | not _very_ probable |
| 23:52:46 | Rick | while you pull the usb cable |
| 23:52:47 | preglow | but it's possible |
| 23:52:59 | shx | it was not writing i think |
| 23:53:00 | Rick | I usually make sure there's no HD activity |
| 23:53:05 | Rick | before pulling the usb cable |
| 23:53:11 | Rick | (and unmounting) |
| 23:53:23 | shx | do you guys usually unmount it before unplug ? |
| 23:53:29 | Rick | yes |
| 23:53:31 | Patr3ck | yes |
| 23:53:32 | preglow | no |
| 23:53:44 | shx | (i'm pretty sure there was no diskk activity) |
| 23:53:47 | preglow | that is, it depends |
| 23:53:52 | preglow | if i'm developing, i don't unmount |
| 23:53:57 | preglow | if i copy music, i unmount |
| 23:54:28 | Patr3ck | I think write caching could corrupt the filsystem |
| 23:54:31 | preglow | i've never had any problems with my very numerous bad unmounts |
| 23:54:32 | shx | ok |
| 23:54:40 | Rick | hehe |
| 23:54:43 | preglow | write caching is turned off for removable devices in xp |
| 23:54:48 | shx | me neither u know, but now... |
| 23:54:53 | Rick | the only time i've unplugged it while it was still 'mounted' was in Windows when it claimed it was still in use |
| 23:54:59 | Rick | (when it wasn't...) |
| 23:55:01 | Patr3ck | preglow: you unmount with xp ;-) |
| 23:55:02 | shx | i'm under linux |
| 23:55:35 | preglow | in linux i always unmount |
| 23:55:55 | shx | i should have i think... |
| 23:56:12 | preglow | yes, very probably |
| 23:56:44 | shx | if i can't have it wokk, once a little more charged, what do you advise me, wise guys ? |
| 23:56:47 | Rick | wouldn't linux normally complain if you tried to unmount with activity? |
| 23:56:55 | preglow | shx: not much to say then |
| 23:57:05 | preglow | Rick: point is he didn't unmount |
| 23:57:12 | Patr3ck | shx: I think there should be a solution, or this would happen to a lot of people already |
| 23:57:13 | preglow | just ripped out the cable |
| 23:57:20 | Rick | ahhh |
| 23:57:22 | Rick | hehe |
| 23:57:42 | preglow | probably just unlucky |
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| 23:57:56 | Digital007 | hi |
| 23:58:00 | Patr3ck | shx: already tried googling mysticriver about filesystem freeze to get more information |
| 23:58:06 | Patr3ck | shx: ? |
| 23:58:06 | preglow | are there ata adapters that fit the disk in the h1x0's ? |
| 23:58:10 | Digital007 | just wondered how sound progress is going for the iriver |
| 23:58:13 | shx | but i did not rip out the cable, but 'properly' unproperly unplugged it |
| 23:58:30 | Bagder | preglow: I just googled, but I didn't find any |
| 23:58:31 | preglow | Digital007: no further progress |
| 23:58:52 | preglow | shx: how do you do that? |
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