| 00:00:00 | preglow | Patr3ck: rockbox is corrupt |
| 00:00:07 | shx | yeees.... |
| 00:00:15 | Patr3ck | oh my |
| 00:00:24 | Rick | Patr3ck: well... if rockbox were in the flash, yeah, but it's not ;P |
| 00:00:27 | shx | i'm kinda f...d i think, to stay polite.... |
| 00:01:00 | preglow | battery should be fine around now |
| 00:01:27 | Patr3ck | shx: i had that same error booting iriver and then freeze on reading filesystem a lot |
| 00:01:31 | shx | i just try... nothing more.... |
| 00:02:09 | shx | well... no good news... |
| 00:02:13 | preglow | well, yes, unless it suddenly starts working on its own, you're screwed |
| 00:02:45 | Patr3ck | shx: it always went away at least after hold button, reset (and power off), hold button, boot (iriver fw) |
| 00:03:07 | shx | i just did that twice |
| 00:03:19 | shx | and, well, nothing... |
| 00:03:22 | preglow | complete with pushin the reset switch, yes? |
| 00:03:30 | shx | yep |
| 00:03:35 | shx | all the sequence |
| 00:03:59 | preglow | well, i have no further advice |
| 00:04:22 | Patr3ck | me too, I am scared now |
| 00:04:22 | Rick | I have to say shx, that really blows |
| 00:04:29 | * | Rick would hate it if he lost his H1x0 harddrive |
| 00:04:34 | shx | anyway, thanks guys |
| 00:04:50 | shx | Thanks rick for support :-) |
| 00:05:04 | Patr3ck | is it possible to disable write caching on linux? |
| 00:05:13 | Bagder | you would think that it would be able to shortcut that "read the file system" thing |
| 00:05:15 | shx | would it help to ship it to a hardware dev ? |
| 00:05:25 | preglow | iriver firmware is strangely programmed |
| 00:05:29 | Rick | hmm |
| 00:05:33 | shx | u're right |
| 00:05:34 | Rick | what happened if you removed the harddrive? |
| 00:05:34 | preglow | it scans the entire fs on boot |
| 00:05:36 | Rick | would the iriver boot? |
| 00:05:41 | preglow | hell no |
| 00:05:44 | shx | dunno |
| 00:05:45 | preglow | it would panic violently |
| 00:05:47 | Rick | hehe |
| 00:06:08 | Bagder | yes, but a file system screwup is possible entirely without rockbox so it must've happened to people before |
| 00:06:09 | shx | think so too |
| 00:06:20 | Rick | Bagder: just more rare ;P |
| 00:06:34 | preglow | shouldn't be |
| 00:06:40 | Bagder | like what if you reformat the disk and reboot |
| 00:06:40 | preglow | rockbox has nothing to do with usb |
| 00:06:49 | | Join midk [0] (~midk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) |
| 00:06:51 | Rick | Bagder: uh, I don't think that's a problem |
| 00:06:56 | | Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
| 00:06:57 | Rick | Bagder: the new firmware lets you format and reboot |
| 00:06:58 | Rick | ;P |
| 00:07:07 | Bagder | if you use a bad format |
| 00:07:11 | Rick | oh, true that |
| 00:07:14 | Rick | I dunno |
| 00:07:20 | Rick | bug Linus to test it on his? :P |
| 00:07:30 | Bagder | hehe |
| 00:07:36 | shx | i should do this ? |
| 00:07:40 | Rick | shx: do what? |
| 00:07:51 | | Join Camilo [0] (~chatzilla@userca029.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 00:07:53 | shx | send it to Linus for him to ply with |
| 00:07:57 | Rick | oh |
| 00:07:58 | Rick | lol |
| 00:08:07 | Rick | I wasn't suggesting that if you thought I meant that |
| 00:08:08 | LinusN | what's wrong with it? |
| 00:08:18 | preglow | do a bit of googling first, this is bound to have happened to other people as well |
| 00:08:19 | Rick | LinusN: filesystem is fubar'd |
| 00:08:23 | shx | its kinda dead.... |
| 00:08:26 | Rick | LinusN: freezes at read filesystem on boot |
| 00:08:29 | shx | i'm afraid |
| 00:08:39 | LinusN | freezes? |
| 00:08:47 | Rick | dunno, what shx said |
| 00:09:05 | shx | checksum fails with current cvs firmware |
| 00:09:24 | shx | original firware starts and feezes on FS read |
| 00:09:26 | HCl | you could screw it open, plug the 1.8" hdd into a normal computer with a converter.. |
| 00:09:28 | shx | to be short |
| 00:09:34 | HCl | try charging a bit more |
| 00:09:35 | preglow | HCl: you know where to get those? |
| 00:09:37 | HCl | i had that once |
| 00:09:44 | shx | converter ? |
| 00:09:48 | HCl | preglow: its a compactflash interface, as far as i know |
| 00:09:49 | shx | teel me plase |
| 00:09:58 | preglow | i didn't know that |
| 00:10:01 | LinusN | is it fully charged? |
| 00:10:02 | HCl | i'm not even sure if there are any on the market, but there should be. |
| 00:10:06 | shx | ok, fairly easy to find then |
| 00:10:07 | HCl | there are converters for 2" disks |
| 00:10:12 | HCl | (3:2) at position (14,15) on the map, |
| 00:10:12 | HCl | (5:16) move any furre present to (14,16) if there's nobody already there. |
| 00:10:12 | HCl | (3:2) at position (14,16) on the map, |
| 00:10:12 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK HCl |
| 00:10:12 | HCl | (5:16) move any furre present to (16,17) if there's nobody already there. |
| 00:10:12 | HCl | (3:2) at position (16,17) on the map, |
| 00:10:14 | HCl | (5:16) move any furre present to (16,18) if there's nobody already there. |
| 00:10:17 | HCl | (3:2) at position (16,18) on the map, |
| 00:10:19 | | Quit HCl ("leaving") |
| 00:10:19 | preglow | HCl: what gives |
| 00:10:31 | Patr3ck | shx: http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?t=2869&highlight=freeze |
| 00:10:33 | | Join hcl [0] (hcl@titania.student.utwente.nl) |
| 00:10:37 | hcl | goddammit |
| 00:10:41 | hcl | ignore that. |
| 00:10:42 | preglow | i daresay :P |
| 00:10:43 | | Nick hcl is now known as HCl (hcl@titania.student.utwente.nl) |
| 00:10:47 | shx | thanks |
| 00:10:49 | HCl | why the *fuck* did irssi's accidental paste protection |
| 00:10:50 | HCl | not work |
| 00:10:52 | shx | i'll take a look |
| 00:11:07 | Rick | dunno |
| 00:11:11 | Rick | HCl: drangspeak? |
| 00:11:14 | Rick | *dragon |
| 00:11:16 | Rick | or whatever it's called |
| 00:11:21 | HCl | yes. |
| 00:11:21 | preglow | HCl: it occasionally doesn't, i should know, i'm the master of pasting compromising information to large irc channels |
| 00:11:33 | LinusN | shx: what happens if you start wit the usb cable inserted? |
| 00:11:35 | HCl | :P |
| 00:11:45 | Rick | not really comprimising imho |
| 00:11:58 | shx | LinusN :nothing more |
| 00:12:15 | | Join amiconn_ [0] (~jens@pD9E7FA10.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:12:24 | shx | it tries to load original firware and freezes |
| 00:12:38 | LinusN | that sucks |
| 00:13:01 | shx | yeah, you're right |
| 00:13:06 | shx | that really sucks |
| 00:13:15 | HCl | if i were you, i'd try to get my hands on a 1.8" -> ide converter |
| 00:13:23 | HCl | and repair the filesystem that way |
| 00:13:29 | LinusN | you learned a lesson though, always "safely remove" |
| 00:13:30 | shx | it looks like i've lost a couple of 100s euros.... |
| 00:13:48 | shx | yes, daddy; i won't do that again ;-) |
| 00:13:57 | LinusN | shx: it's fixable |
| 00:13:58 | shx | expensive trial and error... |
| 00:13:58 | Rick | lol |
| 00:14:20 | preglow | perhaps i should reconsider my development habits |
| 00:14:25 | shx | LinusN : you mean with HDD adapter ? |
| 00:14:38 | preglow | i must have plugged it in out without 'safely remove' about, ohh, five hundred times |
| 00:14:41 | LinusN | looks like i have to add usb support to the boot loader |
| 00:14:42 | Rick | preglow: hehe |
| 00:14:54 | HCl | that does sound like a good idea. |
| 00:15:02 | shx | LinusN : good idea ! |
| 00:15:04 | HCl | that way you can always recover. |
| 00:15:13 | shx | a little to late for me though.... |
| 00:15:14 | HCl | and its even faster with usb plugins too. |
| 00:15:27 | HCl | um. plugging it into the usb port, i mean. |
| 00:15:32 | HCl | not the.. software module kind o.o |
| 00:16:02 | HCl | shx: a 1.8" converter should be findable.. and they tend to be cheap because its literally just rewiring, no chips or anything |
| 00:16:27 | shx | HCl : an address maybe ? |
| 00:16:29 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 00:16:29 | * | HCl has a converter for laptop hdds -> ide.. |
| 00:16:45 | HCl | mrf, i dunno |
| 00:16:59 | shx | ok, i'll dig a little for it |
| 00:17:01 | Camilo | LinusN, I've seen a USB bootloader, it works great. Beats xmodem |
| 00:17:30 | preglow | pfaw, zmodem, please |
| 00:17:46 | HCl | shx: ebay has ide cases for 1.8" drives |
| 00:17:48 | HCl | those should work fine |
| 00:17:53 | HCl | they're at the price of 10$ |
| 00:18:00 | HCl | usb2 ide cases* |
| 00:18:17 | * | Rick considers buying one ahead of time to be safe |
| 00:18:28 | HCl | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31567&item=6748582252&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW |
| 00:18:41 | HCl | just buy one of those, screw your iriver's hdd in after you got it out of your iriver |
| 00:18:41 | shx | Rick : need one too ? |
| 00:18:47 | HCl | repair it, and put it back in your iriver |
| 00:18:48 | HCl | should work |
| 00:18:57 | shx | ok |
| 00:19:02 | | Quit joe1 (Remote closed the connection) |
| 00:19:03 | shx | thanx a lot |
| 00:19:05 | HCl | np :) |
| 00:19:13 | preglow | is the h120 driver 1.8" ? |
| 00:19:13 | Rick | shx: no, but it'd be nice to be equipped to handle it if I have the problem in the future |
| 00:19:16 | Camilo | are 1.8" drives the same as 2.5" ones then? |
| 00:19:22 | LinusN | no |
| 00:19:26 | shx | and the hex screw thing |
| 00:19:29 | HCl | preglow: yes |
| 00:19:36 | shx | can that be found easily ? |
| 00:19:37 | Rick | torx |
| 00:19:38 | LinusN | shx: torx |
| 00:19:40 | Rick | i need one of those too |
| 00:19:40 | Rick | hehe |
| 00:19:55 | preglow | you can find whole sets of torx screew drivers pretty easily |
| 00:20:21 | shx | ok, kinda 'classical' thing i presume |
| 00:20:31 | * | LinusN has to sleep |
| 00:20:39 | LinusN | nite all |
| 00:20:41 | shx | thanks for all, guys, i wish that won't happen to you all ! |
| 00:20:46 | preglow | size t-6 should do |
| 00:20:59 | preglow | nite, linus |
| 00:22:19 | | Part LinusN |
| 00:22:20 | preglow | am i still the only one knowing anything about the emac instructions? |
| 00:22:26 | HCl | lol. |
| 00:22:28 | preglow | if not, i could use some help :> |
| 00:22:43 | HCl | i've only glanced past them while looking for the normal ones :P |
| 00:22:47 | HCl | would that do? :P |
| 00:22:51 | preglow | haha |
| 00:22:52 | preglow | hardly |
| 00:22:53 | shx | <preglow> wanna know what ? |
| 00:22:55 | HCl | darn :P |
| 00:23:18 | preglow | i need to bloody negate an accumulator register, but i just can't do it |
| 00:23:22 | Camilo | is it a binutils problem preglow ? |
| 00:23:26 | preglow | Camilo: no |
| 00:23:37 | preglow | binutils does its stuff nicely |
| 00:24:01 | Camilo | ok |
| 00:24:13 | HCl | preglow: times -1 ? |
| 00:24:19 | HCl | or am i thinking too easy? |
| 00:24:23 | HCl | simple* |
| 00:24:25 | preglow | yes, taht's it |
| 00:24:33 | HCl | o.o. |
| 00:24:36 | HCl | it is? :3 |
| 00:24:37 | preglow | but it's harder than it sounds like |
| 00:24:41 | HCl | oh. |
| 00:24:49 | preglow | i can't multiply the accumulator registers by anything |
| 00:24:51 | preglow | just add and sub |
| 00:24:58 | HCl | hrm. |
| 00:25:13 | preglow | and it has more precision than the ordinary registers |
| 00:25:19 | preglow | so i can't just sub itself with itself two times |
| 00:25:41 | HCl | set a reg to 0, then sub it with the other one? |
| 00:25:53 | HCl | or can't you do that either? |
| 00:25:53 | preglow | can't add or sub accumulators with eachother |
| 00:25:57 | HCl | geeze |
| 00:25:59 | HCl | they sound annoying. |
| 00:26:01 | preglow | they are |
| 00:26:42 | preglow | i thought of a way of doing it, it required fifteen asm instructions |
| 00:26:45 | preglow | but it didn't work |
| 00:27:15 | HCl | :X |
| 00:28:18 | shx | preglow : isn't ther a NEGATE instruction in Moto 56K assembly that does accumulator negation ? |
| 00:28:35 | preglow | shx: no |
| 00:28:43 | shx | NEG i meant |
| 00:28:50 | preglow | shx: there's neg for ordinary registers |
| 00:28:56 | preglow | shx: but not for accumulator registers |
| 00:29:12 | | Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 00:29:12 | | Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (~jens@pD9E7FA10.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:29:20 | preglow | the only thing you can do with accumulators is add a product of two ordinary registers to them, sub a product of two ordinary registers from them, or move them |
| 00:29:37 | shx | http://ece-www.colorado.edu/~ecen4002/manuals/dsp56300family/ch12-instr-guide.pdf |
| 00:29:48 | preglow | that's 56k |
| 00:29:52 | preglow | we're on coldfire |
| 00:30:02 | preglow | had this been a 56k, all would have been peachy :> |
| 00:30:21 | Camilo | preglow, could you move the negate to where you are unloading the acc anyway? |
| 00:30:57 | preglow | Camilo: what i tried was unloading but parts of the accumulator, doing a standard two part 0 - accumlator, and then storing the result back |
| 00:31:00 | preglow | but it doesn't work |
| 00:31:03 | preglow | but = both |
| 00:31:23 | preglow | the accumulator is wider than a 32 bit register, so you have to use sub, not neg |
| 00:31:45 | | Quit matsl ("Leaving") |
| 00:32:29 | preglow | to top it off, i also have to switch accumulator modes |
| 00:32:30 | preglow | haha |
| 00:32:40 | preglow | i'll have to find a way of avoiding it, plain and simple |
| 00:32:47 | shx | prglow : http://ece-www.colorado.edu/~ecen4002/manuals/dsp56300family/ch12-instr-guide.pdf |
| 00:33:08 | shx | preglow : http://ece-www.colorado.edu/~ecen4002/manuals/dsp56300family/ch12-instr-guide.pdf |
| 00:33:20 | preglow | shx: shx again, again, that's 56k asm, that won't help me on a coldfire |
| 00:33:58 | | Quit shx ("CGI:IRC") |
| 00:33:59 | Camilo | you have got the programmers ref manual? |
| 00:34:03 | preglow | Camilo: yes |
| 00:34:06 | Camilo | good |
| 00:34:06 | | Join shx [0] (~52e0b302@labb.contactor.se) |
| 00:34:06 | HCl | its on the wiki |
| 00:36:50 | Camilo | preglow, what's the overall maths that is going on - there might be a way to move the negate |
| 00:37:57 | preglow | Camilo: yes, that's what i'll end up doing |
| 00:38:09 | Camilo | cool |
| 00:38:11 | preglow | Camilo: i'm quite simply just translating imdct_l_asm.S in libmad to coldfire asm |
| 00:38:41 | * | Camilo reaches for apps/codecs |
| 00:38:46 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 00:39:24 | Bagder | a greener cvs build table |
| 00:39:42 | preglow | line 241 to see how simple it is in arm asm |
| 00:39:45 | HCl | a greener world = good |
| 00:39:45 | HCl | :) |
| 00:40:22 | * | preglow looks towards greener arm pastures |
| 00:41:00 | preglow | seems like such a nice cpu |
| 00:41:13 | Camilo | arm is so different... didn't I see a coldfire mac dct white paper on the motorola site? |
| 00:41:32 | Bagder | gee, the FLAC code is *wide* |
| 00:41:32 | preglow | there is a paper on the mac unit on the site, yes |
| 00:42:05 | preglow | the flac guy loves his variable names |
| 00:42:35 | Bagder | and he must have his editor fullscreen |
| 00:42:50 | Bagder | some lines are almost 200 cols |
| 00:43:02 | preglow | probably just doesn't worry about wrap |
| 00:43:12 | Camilo | MCF5XXXSC |
| 00:43:14 | Camilo | ASCII TEXT FOR FFT, DCT Source Codes |
| 00:43:17 | preglow | Camilo: dead link |
| 00:45:45 | | Quit shx ("CGI:IRC") |
| 00:45:49 | | Join shx [0] (~52e0b302@labb.contactor.se) |
| 00:49:50 | preglow | doesn't help me much anyway, they've only got ordinary mac unit code, and that's very much simpler to manage |
| 00:49:54 | preglow | since it's got no extension bytes |
| 00:51:09 | Camilo | shame. The freescale site sucks. I tried to DL something big from there today @ work, and failed |
| 00:51:22 | preglow | works fineish from here |
| 00:51:27 | preglow | i've got everything i need downloaded anyway |
| 00:53:43 | | Join Naked [0] (naked@naked.iki.fi) |
| 00:53:54 | | Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (naked@naked.iki.fi) |
| 00:58:49 | | Quit shx ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 00:59:43 | Bagder | sleep(3600*6) |
| 00:59:58 | preglow | sounds painful |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:09 | preglow | in the morning, that is |
| 01:00:10 | Bagder | daughter with early habits |
| 01:00:22 | Bagder | night |
| 01:00:25 | preglow | good night |
| 01:06:24 | HCl | sounds like a good idea. |
| 01:06:39 | HCl | HCl->sleep(); |
| 01:06:42 | preglow | yes, i actually have to get up semi early tomorrow :/ |
| 01:06:55 | HCl | me too. |
| 01:06:58 | HCl | 10:30 |
| 01:07:00 | HCl | :/ |
| 01:07:02 | preglow | 10:00 :/// |
| 01:07:11 | HCl | well, i usually get up at 10 |
| 01:07:20 | HCl | cause i get late if i get up at 10:30 |
| 01:07:39 | preglow | nah, i'll probably have to go for 09:00 tomorrow |
| 01:09:24 | | Quit lolo-laptop ("Client exiting") |
| 01:09:27 | | Quit Patr3ck () |
| 01:10:20 | | Quit jyp ("poof!") |
| 01:14:00 | | Quit Digital007 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") |
| 01:17:13 | | Quit Camilo ("Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Mozilla rv:1.8a6/20050111]") |
| 01:21:17 | | Quit skav (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 01:23:55 | | Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") |
| 01:39:21 | | Quit SoulEata (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 01:45:53 | HCl | "Come to the darkside - We have cookies" *nods at that* |
| 01:53:47 | | Quit preglow ("quiet") |
| 02:00 |
| 02:02:58 | | Quit sofaSpud ("There are lies, damn lies, and MS facts") |
| 02:15:33 | | Quit Aison ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.72 :: www.XLhost.de )") |
| 02:16:15 | | Join StrathAFK [0] (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a252.wi.tds.net) |
| 02:21:59 | | Join Soul_Eater [0] (~faccess@pcp04474086pcs.brmngh01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 02:29:03 | | Join YouCeyE [0] (foobar@youceye.user) |
| 02:34:10 | | Quit Strath (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 02:35:27 | | Quit mecraw ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") |
| 02:38:47 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 02:44:27 | | Quit cYmen ("zZz") |
| 02:48:44 | | Quit Stryke` ("Friends don't let friends listen to Anti-Flag") |
| 02:51:53 | | Join Mong0 [0] (~chatzilla@cpe-069-132-071-101.carolina.rr.com) |
| 02:52:38 | | Join Bonkers [0] (nobody@dyn-wien-209-61.dyn.columbia.edu) |
| 02:53:03 | Mong0 | should rockbox.iriver be in the root or in a rockbox folder? |
| 02:53:23 | geoff_o | Are you talking about the wiki? |
| 02:53:52 | Mong0 | nope the actual compiled code? |
| 02:56:48 | Mong0 | anyone buller buller |
| 03:00 |
| 03:31:07 | | Join DMJC [0] (~James@220-245-162-47-sa-nt.tpgi.com.au) |
| 03:37:42 | | Quit DMJC ("Leaving") |
| 03:56:31 | Mong0 | you awake Badger? |
| 04:00 |
| 04:05:39 | | Join QT_ [0] (as@area51.users.madwifi) |
| 04:08:56 | Mong0 | anyone know the command to make all to include the plugins? |
| 04:09:35 | | Quit QT (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) |
| 04:10:40 | | Quit XShocK (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- 100,000+ downloads can't be wrong") |
| 04:13:51 | | Quit Mong0 ("Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0.1/20050225]") |
| 04:22:35 | | Join ze__ [0] (ze@adsl-69-231-252-29.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 04:26:42 | | Join Mong0 [0] (~Mong0@cpe-069-132-071-101.carolina.rr.com) |
| 04:28:21 | | Nick StrathAFK is now known as Strath (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a252.wi.tds.net) |
| 04:34:31 | | Quit ze (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 04:34:31 | | Nick ze__ is now known as ze (ze@adsl-69-231-252-29.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 04:38:50 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 04:57:44 | | Quit Mong0 (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!") |
| 05:00 |
| 05:01:44 | | Quit amiconn (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) |
| 05:01:44 | NSplit | sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 05:01:44 | | Quit [Zmaj] (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) |
| 05:01:44 | | Quit MrMuffin (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) |
| 05:01:57 | NHeal | sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 05:01:57 | NJoin | amiconn [0] (~jens@pD9E7FA10.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 05:01:57 | NJoin | [Zmaj] [0] (zmaj@liebt.polnische.putzen.am.telefon.und.das.ist.auch.gut-s0.de) |
| 05:01:57 | NJoin | MrMuffin [0] (MrMuffin@user-10lf1rn.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 05:04:21 | | Part geoff_o ("Kopete 0.9.1 : http://kopete.kde.org") |
| 05:52:56 | | Join DMJC [0] (~James@220-245-162-47-sa-nt.tpgi.com.au) |
| 06:00 |
| 06:15:55 | | Join lostlogic [0] (~lostlogic@node-4024215a.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) |
| 06:38:52 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 07:00 |
| 07:15:20 | Rick | hehehe |
| 07:15:28 | * | Rick registered h120.us out of sheer boredom |
| 07:25:40 | | Join stevenm [0] (~steve@stevenm-router.student.umd.edu) |
| 07:27:39 | | Quit stevenm (Client Quit) |
| 07:30:19 | | Join ashridah [0] (ashridah@220-253-120-101.VIC.netspace.net.au) |
| 07:30:20 | | Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
| 07:31:50 | | Quit Hadaka (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 07:31:51 | | Join Naked [0] (naked@naked.iki.fi) |
| 07:32:07 | | Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (naked@naked.iki.fi) |
| 07:45:02 | | Join Terminal-Velocit [0] (~tony@ipa193.1.tellas.gr) |
| 07:59:03 | | Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 08:00 |
| 08:12:31 | | Join hile__ [0] (hile@hack.fi) |
| 08:14:51 | | Quit Ka (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) |
| 08:14:51 | NSplit | sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 08:14:51 | | Quit Tipi^ (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) |
| 08:14:51 | | Quit nozomiyume (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) |
| 08:14:51 | | Quit hile (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) |
| 08:14:51 | | Quit rob- (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) |
| 08:16:17 | | Nick QT_ is now known as QT (as@area51.users.madwifi) |
| 08:16:56 | NHeal | sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 08:16:56 | NJoin | Tipi^ [0] (~tipi@adsl-38.43-DynIP.ssp.fi) |
| 08:23:40 | Bagder | gooood morning |
| 08:27:42 | LinusN | moooo |
| 08:27:58 | Strath | oink |
| 08:28:07 | Bagder | I greenified more of the cvs table yday |
| 08:28:16 | LinusN | you are a hero :-) |
| 08:28:43 | NJoin | Ka [0] (~tkirk@pcp0010733332pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net) |
| 08:33:54 | Bagder | the FLAC code is... special |
| 08:38:53 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 08:41:15 | DMJC | how's tremor going? |
| 08:42:25 | LinusN | don't know |
| 08:42:47 | DMJC | I'm tempted to boot back into linux to try it out |
| 08:44:24 | amiconn | morning |
| 08:44:56 | amiconn | Bagder: I thought you'd want to fix the win32 warnings by building a less oldish cross compiler... |
| 08:45:06 | Bagder | yes, one day |
| 08:48:19 | Bagder | I still haven't seen any docs on how to do it for a modern compiler version |
| 08:48:34 | Bagder | which indicates it is not well supported |
| 08:50:09 | amiconn | I just checked on MSDN... it's strange that _chsize() is declared, but _commit() isn't. They're part of the same header... |
| 08:50:31 | Bagder | the same MS header, mingw does not use them |
| 08:52:02 | | Join einhirn [0] (Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) |
| 08:53:18 | amiconn | Bagder: From searching my cygwin installation, it's the same header in mingw (io.h) |
| 08:53:38 | Bagder | what mean is that the ming guys have rewritten the headers |
| 08:53:42 | Bagder | they're not copied from MS |
| 08:54:46 | amiconn | Yes... so simply there's a line missing in the old mingw io.h |
| 08:55:15 | Bagder | yes |
| 08:59:12 | Bonkers | MSDN doesn't necessarily complain to ANSI standards |
| 08:59:57 | Bagder | for this case that doesn't matter |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:08 | Bonkers | oh, you're just warning hunting |
| 09:00:13 | Bagder | yes |
| 09:03:28 | amiconn | Another thing... I wonder why filesize() is implemented in such a strange way, with all that seeking... |
| 09:05:13 | Bonkers | for FAT? is there any way to see hwo big a file is without seeking to the end? |
| 09:05:34 | amiconn | No, I mean in the simulators |
| 09:05:58 | Bonkers | oh |
| 09:06:02 | Rick | Bonkers: ftell() doesn't exist? |
| 09:06:02 | Bagder | should use stat() instead |
| 09:06:06 | Rick | or tell() |
| 09:06:07 | Rick | hehe |
| 09:06:21 | amiconn | On unix one could use fstat(), and there is _filelength() on windows |
| 09:06:25 | Rick | ah |
| 09:06:28 | Bagder | or fstat() rather, tes |
| 09:06:32 | Bagder | yes |
| 09:06:51 | Bagder | but it doesn't matter much |
| 09:06:52 | Rick | oh wait, ftell() tells you your current position in the file |
| 09:07:09 | * | Bagder rejects a few random feature-requests |
| 09:07:30 | Rick | I saw a request to put the rockbox on the h120 |
| 09:07:34 | Rick | hehe... from last year |
| 09:08:00 | amiconn | Bagder: stat() takes a path, while fstat() takes a file handle, right? |
| 09:08:05 | Bagder | yes |
| 09:08:34 | Rick | that reminds me, why arn't the file apis prefixed with f? |
| 09:08:41 | amiconn | So fstat() would be the right thing to use, since filesize() in rockbox also uses the handle |
| 09:09:28 | Bagder | Rick: because we don't support those functions, only the non-f ones |
| 09:09:31 | amiconn | How handy, _filelength() on windows also uses the handle... I think I should do that then... |
| 09:09:51 | Rick | Bagder: I was under the assumption that they were essentially the same? |
| 09:09:59 | Rick | (other than the fact that it doesn't use FILE for handles) |
| 09:10:18 | Bagder | more or less, yes |
| 09:10:27 | amiconn | Another thing, regarding an improved button handling on X11: Could I take the x11 multithreading extension for granted? It's an X11R6 addition... |
| 09:10:52 | Bagder | amiconn: I think you can, we all do this on fairly modern X versions |
| 09:11:27 | amiconn | If not, the button driver will look very ugly... |
| 09:13:29 | | Quit DMJC ("Leaving") |
| 09:14:47 | | Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) |
| 09:14:54 | | Join Seed [0] (ben@l192-114-41-133.broadband.actcom.net.il) |
| 09:23:26 | | Join preglow [0] (thomj@s183a.studby.ntnu.no) |
| 09:29:52 | | Join kurzhaarrocker [0] (~Phil@p3E9C2172.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:30:36 | kurzhaarrocker | :( Bagder closed my feature request for a feature implementor |
| 09:30:48 | * | Bagder cleans mercilessly |
| 09:34:28 | | Quit kurzhaarrocker (Remote closed the connection) |
| 09:41:40 | | Join Sando [0] (kekekek@CPE-147-10-21-132.vic.bigpond.net.au) |
| 09:44:28 | * | preglow yawns furilously |
| 09:46:16 | Bagder | I suggest we close all fixed and rejected feature requests and bugs |
| 09:53:36 | | Join Schnueff [0] (~mah@134.96.247.241) |
| 09:55:03 | LinusN | any ARM ninjas around? |
| 09:55:29 | dwihno | I'm a one-armed ninja, is that good enough? ;) |
| 09:55:43 | Bagder | a dwihno! |
| 09:56:07 | kergoth | heh, i write linux kernel code for ARM all day every day, but i doubt i'm ninja caliber |
| 09:56:09 | dwihno | Where? Who!? |
| 09:57:14 | | Nick hile__ is now known as hile (hile@hack.fi) |
| 10:00 |
| 10:01:33 | | Join rob- [0] (~robbie@haylott.plus.com) |
| 10:07:00 | LinusN | i'd like to know how the exception vector table looks like |
| 10:08:09 | LinusN | from what i have gathered, the vectors are in fact jump instructions, right? |
| 10:08:54 | preglow | how risc of them |
| 10:09:07 | LinusN | (trying to get a nice crib for the iFP cryptanalysis) |
| 10:09:58 | preglow | someone should scramble stripwax, heh |
| 10:10:01 | dwihno | LinusN: you're considering ifp a new target? |
| 10:13:48 | LinusN | possibly |
| 10:13:51 | | Join DMJC [0] (~James@220-245-162-47-sa-nt.tpgi.com.au) |
| 10:14:14 | dwihno | ah, that would be cool! |
| 10:14:24 | dwihno | Considering the fact I'm a owner of such a thingie ;) |
| 10:15:48 | LinusN | the sad part is that i've seen source code for ifp decryption on the net, but i can't find it again... |
| 10:16:39 | dwihno | :( |
| 10:17:53 | Rick | ifp... the flash irivers? |
| 10:18:39 | Rick | LinusN: Couldn't you check on that one project? I remember there already being a new firmware project for ifp, or somesuch |
| 10:18:47 | * | Rick searches sourceforge |
| 10:19:06 | Bagder | ok, feature-request cleaning done for today |
| 10:19:12 | Rick | http://sourceforge.net/projects/ifp-driver/ |
| 10:19:19 | LinusN | there is a project for a linux device driver for the ifp |
| 10:19:25 | Rick | ah |
| 10:19:49 | Rick | Oh well |
| 10:20:10 | LinusN | hm, maybe we don't need cryptanalysis after all |
| 10:21:24 | LinusN | the SAA7750 has an ARM7 core, and it has a jtag debug port |
| 10:21:34 | LinusN | and i have a wiggler |
| 10:22:13 | LinusN | and plenty of spare time for reverse engineering...not! |
| 10:22:24 | Rick | Hehe |
| 10:22:31 | Rick | how much memory does the ifp have? |
| 10:22:50 | LinusN | there are so many different models |
| 10:22:55 | Rick | ah |
| 10:23:07 | LinusN | up to 512mbytes i think |
| 10:23:31 | Rick | nifty |
| 10:23:49 | LinusN | philips has sent us plenty of documentation on the SAA7750 |
| 10:23:58 | LinusN | but not on the DSP |
| 10:24:30 | Bagder | SAA7750 seems to be commonly used |
| 10:24:34 | LinusN | and we don't know if we are allowed to distribute the docs |
| 10:24:46 | Rick | ask? ;P |
| 10:24:53 | LinusN | i have asked them for the dsp docs as well |
| 10:24:59 | Rick | ah |
| 10:25:13 | LinusN | i won't ask them about redistribution until they have sent me the docs :-) |
| 10:25:19 | Rick | hehehe |
| 10:25:46 | * | Bagder detects experience talking ;-) |
| 10:26:42 | LinusN | texas instruments were very helpful with identifying the "mysterious" AZU chip on the H1x0 |
| 10:27:12 | LinusN | it's a li-ion charger |
| 10:27:20 | | Join Zagor [0] (foobar@h14n2fls31o265.telia.com) |
| 10:27:28 | Bagder | dr Zivago! |
| 10:27:36 | Zagor | :) |
| 10:27:36 | Bagder | ah, no it was just Zagor ;-) |
| 10:27:41 | LinusN | which (and this makes me angry) is made for USB charging |
| 10:28:03 | LinusN | but iriver doesn't use the usb charging feature! |
| 10:28:10 | Bagder | hehe |
| 10:28:19 | Rick | the 3x0 does doesn't it? |
| 10:28:22 | Rick | also, can it be enabled? |
| 10:28:36 | LinusN | the 300 uses a different version of the chip |
| 10:28:39 | Rick | ahh |
| 10:28:48 | LinusN | and it seems like it is hard to enable it |
| 10:29:04 | Rick | what would be hard about it? |
| 10:29:10 | Rick | would it require hardware mod? |
| 10:29:18 | | Nick Lynx_awy is now known as Lynx_ (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59) |
| 10:29:24 | LinusN | the +5V USB voltage doesn't seem to be routed to the main board |
| 10:29:31 | Rick | ah |
| 10:29:51 | LinusN | i'll have to investigate more, but it doesn't seem to be an easy mod |
| 10:30:21 | Bagder | Zagor/LinusN any objections on closing fixed/rejected bugs and features? |
| 10:30:22 | LinusN | especially since they connected both USB and AC inputs to the external AC connector |
| 10:30:31 | Bagder | we need to get the numbers down |
| 10:30:34 | LinusN | Bagder: kill them all!!! |
| 10:30:40 | Zagor | fine with me |
| 10:30:55 | LinusN | we desperately need a feature request moderator |
| 10:30:56 | Rick | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=1030746 |
| 10:31:22 | Rick | Hehe :P |
| 10:31:23 | Bagder | ok, so embrace for massive impact |
| 10:31:25 | LinusN | Rick: we get a lot of those :-) |
| 10:31:33 | Rick | How often is the wiki paged updated? |
| 10:31:34 | Rick | (features) |
| 10:31:44 | LinusN | when we feel like it :-) |
| 10:31:55 | Rick | done manually? god I hope not |
| 10:32:07 | LinusN | wiki is manual |
| 10:32:08 | Bagder | the feature-request list is not wiki |
| 10:32:21 | Rick | Oh! |
| 10:32:23 | * | Rick didn't realize that |
| 10:32:29 | Rick | Hehe |
| 10:32:35 | LinusN | it's updated every night |
| 10:32:39 | Rick | ah |
| 10:32:46 | LinusN | (swedish time) |
| 10:32:47 | Bagder | twice per day in fact |
| 10:32:50 | LinusN | oh? |
| 10:33:03 | Bagder | 6 and 18 our time |
| 10:33:44 | Bagder | and now I'll force an update |
| 10:34:03 | Terminal-Velocit | CET? |
| 10:34:07 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:34:25 | Terminal-Velocit | cool |
| 10:38:56 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 10:39:57 | Rick | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=741226 |
| 10:39:59 | Rick | *SHUDDER* |
| 10:40:47 | Bagder | feel free to join in and close a few ;-) |
| 10:41:05 | Terminal-Velocit | h, i would prefer python:P |
| 10:41:16 | Rick | I have the power to close them? |
| 10:41:29 | * | Rick didn't know that. |
| 10:41:29 | Bagder | I got give you the power |
| 10:41:34 | Bagder | I could |
| 10:41:45 | Rick | If you want, sure |
| 10:41:56 | Bagder | you have a sf account user name? |
| 10:42:03 | Rick | yep |
| 10:42:03 | Rick | rsl |
| 10:44:43 | Bagder | okay, now you're added |
| 10:44:52 | Rick | Cool. |
| 10:45:17 | Bagder | all fixed/invalid/rejected entries can be closed |
| 10:45:41 | Bagder | there's no good way except manually doing it |
| 10:45:47 | Rick | ah |
| 10:46:18 | | Quit Nibbler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 10:49:52 | | Quit Terminal-Velocit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 10:51:28 | | Quit izzy (Remote closed the connection) |
| 10:51:30 | | Join izzy [0] (laitinei@huippu.net) |
| 10:53:23 | | Join jyp [0] (~jp@254.214-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 10:57:28 | | Join Terminal-Velocit [0] (~tony@ipa193.1.tellas.gr) |
| 11:00 |
| 11:02:00 | Terminal-Velocit | how exactly do i build the firmware? tools/configure; make ? |
| 11:02:20 | | Quit mirak (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) |
| 11:02:23 | Bagder | yes |
| 11:02:29 | Bagder | there are descriptions in the wiki |
| 11:02:41 | Terminal-Velocit | i get an endless loop of make[207]: Entering directory `/home/tony/Projects/iriver/rockbox/firmware' |
| 11:03:26 | LinusN | in which dir did you run configure? |
| 11:04:10 | Terminal-Velocit | i tried in rockbox/firmware first, then in rockbox/ |
| 11:04:21 | Bagder | read the docs |
| 11:04:22 | LinusN | i suggest you read the docs |
| 11:04:27 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
| 11:04:33 | Terminal-Velocit | ok thanx:P |
| 11:04:42 | Bagder | you've ruined one Makefile now |
| 11:04:47 | Bagder | you need to fix that |
| 11:05:10 | Terminal-Velocit | i'll figure it out somehow |
| 11:05:30 | Terminal-Velocit | for some reason i didnt notice that particular page while browsing the site:P |
| 11:08:02 | Terminal-Velocit | how dangerous is the bootloader, btw? |
| 11:08:07 | Terminal-Velocit | should i risk it? |
| 11:08:57 | Bagder | go go go |
| 11:09:28 | Rick | Terminal-Velocit: it's pretty safe |
| 11:09:38 | Terminal-Velocit | can it fry my precious? |
| 11:09:45 | Terminal-Velocit | oh that's good |
| 11:09:47 | Rick | it's possible, just not a common thing |
| 11:09:49 | Rick | ;P |
| 11:09:53 | Rick | (not 'fry' it though) |
| 11:09:54 | Rick | hehe |
| 11:10:25 | Terminal-Velocit | well the md5sum i got was the same as the one on the wiki, so i guess i will be ok |
| 11:11:28 | Rick | yeah |
| 11:11:33 | Rick | that's why that list exists ;) |
| 11:13:11 | | Join mirak [0] (~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-18-222.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 11:14:15 | Zagor | curry time |
| 11:14:36 | Bagder | aargh |
| 11:14:42 | * | Bagder wants curry too |
| 11:15:00 | Zagor | drive fast ;) |
| 11:15:12 | Bagder | no car here |
| 11:15:13 | Rick | Or adbuct him with a spaceship |
| 11:15:14 | Rick | :) |
| 11:15:35 | Zagor | i'll think of you ;) |
| 11:15:38 | Bagder | hehe |
| 11:15:45 | amiconn | Bagder: Ask Scotty... |
| 11:21:39 | * | preglow has dry bread with brown cheese instead |
| 11:22:47 | Terminal-Velocit | it's not my day today |
| 11:22:48 | Terminal-Velocit | calculator.c:1072: error: insn does not satisfy its constraints: |
| 11:22:49 | Terminal-Velocit | (insn 356 138 140 24 (nil) (set (reg:QI 9 %a1) |
| 11:22:49 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Terminal-Velocit |
| 11:22:49 | Terminal-Velocit | (mem/f:QI (const:SI (plus:SI (symbol_ref:SI ("n")) |
| 11:22:49 | Terminal-Velocit | (const_int 3 [0x3]))) [0 n+3 S1 A8])) 37 {*m68k.md:1060} (nil) |
| 11:22:49 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 11:22:49 | Terminal-Velocit | (nil)) |
| 11:25:11 | Bagder | ? what tool versions are you using? |
| 11:26:10 | LinusN | lunch time |
| 11:26:33 | | Quit jyp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 11:26:58 | Bagder | Feature Requests ( 493 open / 1143 total ) |
| 11:27:16 | | Join jyp [0] (~jp@222.199-200-80.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 11:27:32 | preglow | Terminal-Velocit: use gcc 3.4.x |
| 11:27:34 | Terminal-Velocit | by tool you mean gcc, binutils etc? |
| 11:27:38 | Bagder | yes |
| 11:28:15 | Terminal-Velocit | how lame i was using gcc-core-3.3.4 |
| 11:28:49 | Bagder | it should work too |
| 11:29:34 | Terminal-Velocit | well i'll try gcc 3.4.x anyway |
| 11:29:58 | Terminal-Velocit | could it be binutils? i was using a cvs build from yesterday |
| 11:30:26 | Bagder | I don't know |
| 11:30:30 | dwihno | How many rockboxers are there out there? 10 000? 20k? 50k? |
| 11:30:44 | Bagder | dwihno: good question, nobody knows |
| 11:31:10 | Rick | It's too bad we can't do an anonymous polling system like winamp ;P |
| 11:32:16 | Terminal-Velocit | you couldprogram rockbox to send pidgeons carrying stats to you |
| 11:32:50 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 11:33:04 | Bagder | "when you download Rockbox, you agree to also order these nice fully anonymous pigeons" :-) |
| 11:33:05 | dwihno | Bagder: how about tracking the number of ip's, downloading binary builds? |
| 11:33:10 | preglow | Bagder: plenty problems with gcc 3.3.x on calculator.c |
| 11:33:11 | dwihno | :-) |
| 11:33:50 | Bagder | not for i386 though |
| 11:34:01 | preglow | ahh, no, that's true |
| 11:34:25 | preglow | but still, try 3.4.x, worth a shot |
| 11:34:41 | Bagder | indeed the simplest fix |
| 11:34:55 | Bagder | for us |
| 11:39:03 | preglow | i don't even know what triggers it |
| 11:39:27 | preglow | i don't want to know, looking at the gcc source makes me queasy |
| 11:43:08 | | Quit DMJC (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 11:43:23 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 11:43:23 | * | Bagder cleans up |
| 11:43:58 | Bagder | massive bug report closing |
| 11:55:04 | preglow | i don't bloody believe there's not easy way to negate an accumulator |
| 11:58:56 | Bagder | call me mr janitor |
| 11:59:42 | * | Bagder sweeped away 40-something bug reports |
| 11:59:53 | Bagder | time to eat! |
| 12:00 |
| 12:07:09 | | Join cYmen [0] (~cymen@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) |
| 12:07:29 | | Quit Heidel (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) |
| 12:11:35 | preglow | anyone want to refactor an imdct for me? |
| 12:11:44 | * | preglow almost forgets an appointment |
| 12:11:48 | | Quit preglow ("off") |
| 12:30:46 | | Join Aison [0] (~hans@zux166-181.adsl.green.ch) |
| 12:37:29 | Terminal-Velocit | OMG i did it |
| 12:37:36 | Terminal-Velocit | i built rockbox :D |
| 12:37:50 | LinusN | congrats |
| 12:38:58 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 12:39:18 | | Quit Bagder (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) |
| 12:39:25 | Terminal-Velocit | let's hope it wont send my ihp to the unknown |
| 12:39:27 | Terminal-Velocit | :P |
| 12:42:06 | ashridah | don't use your own built bootloader.bin |
| 12:42:10 | ashridah | use the one off the website |
| 12:42:25 | Terminal-Velocit | yeah that's the one i use |
| 12:42:32 | ashridah | then you shouldn't have to worry about the iriver blowing up, since rockbox will be loaded off the hd, not from flash |
| 12:42:37 | ashridah | cool |
| 12:42:37 | Terminal-Velocit | and i also checked the md5sum |
| 12:42:59 | HCl | well. yesterday someone managed to brick his |
| 12:43:22 | HCl | by loading rockbox, rockbox did something bad with the filesystem, and then neither rockbox nor original firmware would load |
| 12:43:23 | Terminal-Velocit | saw that on the logs |
| 12:43:41 | LinusN | HCl: what makes you think rockbox had anything to do with it? |
| 12:43:42 | HCl | well, either rockbox or his OS |
| 12:44:02 | HCl | LinusN: yea, you're right, bit sloppy of me, it might very well have been his OS |
| 12:44:04 | Terminal-Velocit | well it didn't seem to me that it had anything to do with rockbox |
| 12:44:26 | LinusN | he did unplug the usb without unounting the file system |
| 12:44:38 | HCl | i do that all the time though.. |
| 12:44:48 | Terminal-Velocit | i never do that |
| 12:44:56 | LinusN | i always safely remove |
| 12:44:59 | Terminal-Velocit | fat32 is SOOO easy to break |
| 12:45:58 | Lynx_ | what did they actually change that xp does not require you to 'safely remove' anymore? |
| 12:46:44 | Lynx_ | or did they just remove the warning 2k gives and assume people will unplug only after writing is done... |
| 12:46:59 | LinusN | my xp protests vigorously when i remove with out unmounting |
| 12:47:24 | Lynx_ | hmm, mine doesn't and i don't remember turning anything off |
| 12:47:34 | LinusN | weird... |
| 12:47:40 | HCl | which versions? |
| 12:47:43 | Zagor | sounds like caching is turned off |
| 12:47:43 | HCl | i have xp pro.. |
| 12:47:45 | LinusN | maybe it wasn't my xp after all... |
| 12:47:51 | Lynx_ | and i remember this being a 'freature' of xp |
| 12:48:13 | Lynx_ | s/fr/f/ |
| 12:49:46 | Terminal-Velocit | i have 2003 but haven't tried to see what happens when not cleanly unplugging |
| 12:50:01 | Terminal-Velocit | but i guess they will complain |
| 12:50:39 | Lynx_ | just try with some usb stick |
| 12:51:10 | Terminal-Velocit | nah. i don't plan to boot to windows soon :P |
| 12:53:09 | DeadMan | this is one reason I am waiting for Rockbox to be sorta finished |
| 12:53:25 | DeadMan | no point flashing right now for me. not interested in games |
| 12:53:28 | LinusN | DeadMan: this will happen even when rockbox is "finished" |
| 12:53:30 | Lynx_ | Terminal-Velocit: it does not reboot either way |
| 12:53:40 | HCl | i think that if/once the bootloader can do usb, it should be fine |
| 12:53:53 | LinusN | HCl: that's a think i will look into |
| 12:53:55 | LinusN | thing |
| 12:54:01 | HCl | :) |
| 12:54:03 | Lynx_ | Zagor: ah, you ar right about caching, that's the difference |
| 12:54:20 | DeadMan | I want MP3 playback with gapless, true random playback and otf playlists and then I am happy. Nothing else. Everything else to me is just trimmings. |
| 12:56:38 | Terminal-Velocit | is low-level knowledge needed for writting plugins, or doeas rockbox provide something like a basic lib to abstract things? |
| 12:57:03 | DeadMan | well there is no API for audio yet |
| 12:57:10 | DeadMan | dunno if anyone is working on it either |
| 12:57:18 | HCl | Terminal-Velocit: abstract |
| 12:57:22 | DeadMan | but without it....no audio |
| 12:57:49 | Terminal-Velocit | so it shouldn't be too hard writing a simple plugin right? |
| 12:58:21 | Lynx_ | Ah, in the device manager win xp let's you "opitmize for quick removal" or "optimize device for performance" as caching options. |
| 12:59:00 | HCl | not bad |
| 12:59:06 | Lynx_ | maybe that also changes the error message behavior, but i'm also too lazy to reboot ;) |
| 12:59:24 | HCl | i must say, though i don't like the company, microsoft made a huge step forward userfriendlyness and stability wise with windows xp |
| 12:59:49 | Terminal-Velocit | yeah but gnome is still better ;) :P |
| 13:00 |
| 13:00:07 | HCl | i'd use linux, but linux simply doesn't support some things yet.. |
| 13:00:08 | Lynx_ | Terminal-Velocit: gnome also runs on xp with cygwin ;) |
| 13:00:17 | HCl | linux is better for wireless cracking though.. |
| 13:00:32 | Terminal-Velocit | eh yeah, but why use cygwin when you can have the real thing? |
| 13:00:51 | Terminal-Velocit | i use cugwin only for it's x server |
| 13:01:18 | Lynx_ | Terminal-Velocit: because then you can have windows also... |
| 13:01:38 | Terminal-Velocit | do you need windows that desperately?:P |
| 13:01:42 | Lynx_ | but gnome or kde on cygwin is not a good idea, it's to slow to be usable |
| 13:01:58 | | Join deflate [0] (~vampire@212.35.72.37) |
| 13:02:32 | | Quit deflate (Client Quit) |
| 13:02:36 | Lynx_ | Terminal-Velocit: nah, i just used it very long and i am more comfortable with it. and there is nothing i can't do on it so far... |
| 13:03:12 | Terminal-Velocit | i can understand that |
| 13:03:40 | Terminal-Velocit | i had to use windows for one and a half week, and i was constantly opening command prompts and typing "ls" :P |
| 13:04:19 | Lynx_ | Terminal-Velocit: acually since i installed cygwin some months ago i never used dir, ls is one letter less to type ;) |
| 13:05:16 | | Join kevinlai [0] (~1805eea2@labb.contactor.se) |
| 13:05:46 | kevinlai | hi... i got a question regarding firmware 2.4... |
| 13:06:30 | | Quit Terminal-Velocit ("BRB") |
| 13:06:30 | kevinlai | when a player is charging, will the status on the LCD change when the battery is full?? |
| 13:07:54 | kevinlai | i charged the player for almost 10 hour but the LCD keep showing charging and wont show if the battery is full or now |
| 13:08:42 | kevinlai | normally my player will show "battery charged" after 6 hour |
| 13:10:13 | kevinlai | but somehow after i load the firmware into flash, the player keep charging and wont change the status on the LCD |
| 13:12:01 | kevinlai | ??? |
| 13:12:11 | kevinlai | any1 here?? |
| 13:12:26 | amiconn | The player/studio models always charge as long as the charger is connected. |
| 13:12:49 | amiconn | The archos firmware simply shows 'charged' after a defined amount of time |
| 13:13:16 | amiconn | The charging is done completely in hardware, no chance of controlling it |
| 13:13:17 | kevinlai | yes but not after i load the firmware into flash rom |
| 13:13:57 | | Join Nibbler [0] (~sven@port-212-202-193-30.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 13:14:09 | kevinlai | b4 i load the firmware into rom, it shows charged |
| 13:15:08 | kevinlai | but after i load into rom, it wont show "charged", it just keep showing "charging" |
| 13:16:09 | amiconn | Yes, the archos firmware shows 'charged' after some time, but that's meaningless, it keeps charging anyway as long as you keep the charger connected |
| 13:16:55 | kevinlai | but the problem is that it wont shows "charged" |
| 13:17:19 | | Join Patr3ck [0] (~patr3ck@p548CB831.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:17:45 | kevinlai | it never shows "charged" even after charger connected for 10 hour |
| 13:18:57 | kevinlai | but later i try to charge it using the original firmware (5.08), it shows "battery charged" after 6 hour of connecting to charger |
| 13:19:16 | | Join Terminal-Velocit [0] (~tony@ipa193.1.tellas.gr) |
| 13:20:07 | | Quit Aison (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 13:20:34 | | Join F1^Aison [0] (~hans@zux166-181.adsl.green.ch) |
| 13:25:12 | | Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~d90a3255@labb.contactor.se) |
| 13:25:46 | | Quit Terminal-Velocit ("Error loading new keyboard description") |
| 13:26:06 | * | [IDC]Dragon noticed amiconn |
| 13:26:41 | HCl | uhoh. |
| 13:27:19 | | Join Renko [0] (~Renko@host217-43-59-41.range217-43.btcentralplus.com) |
| 13:33:10 | | Quit kevinlai ("CGI:IRC") |
| 13:33:25 | [IDC]Dragon | but amiconn doesn't notice [IDC]Dragon :-( |
| 13:40:40 | Lynx_ | [IDC]Dragon: did you ever receive all the broken archos boxes? |
| 13:47:52 | | Join DMJC [0] (~James@220-245-162-47-sa-nt.tpgi.com.au) |
| 13:55:43 | | Join Heidel [0] (~h@pD9E394DC.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:57:56 | | Quit Schee4 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 13:58:28 | | Join z63706c [0] (kekekek@CPE-147-10-22-145.vic.bigpond.net.au) |
| 14:00 |
| 14:00:35 | | Join Schee4 [0] (~SeeSchlos@ARennes-352-1-10-91.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:08:38 | [IDC]Dragon | Lynx_: yes, they're here now, but I only briefly checked |
| 14:12:17 | | Quit fuzzie (Remote closed the connection) |
| 14:14:03 | | Join R3nTiL [0] (~zorroz@83.69.98.164) |
| 14:16:14 | | Quit Sando (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) |
| 14:16:22 | | Join zzz [0] (kekekek@CPE-147-10-21-132.vic.bigpond.net.au) |
| 14:16:22 | Lynx_ | [IDC]Dragon: they all came without hd, so they're kinda hard to check i guess? |
| 14:20:49 | | Quit z63706c (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) |
| 14:22:23 | | Join fuzzie [0] (~fuzzie@cl-109.lon-01.gb.sixxs.net) |
| 14:23:44 | [IDC]Dragon | Lynx_: yes, and that's what I haven't done yet |
| 14:24:02 | | Quit lostlogic ("Going to the moon") |
| 14:24:02 | [IDC]Dragon | just plugged some in to check for any sign of life |
| 14:27:58 | | Join bobTHC [0] (~foo@l07v-9-109.d1.club-internet.fr) |
| 14:28:25 | | Join preglow [0] (thomj@s183a.studby.ntnu.no) |
| 14:39:00 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 14:44:20 | | Quit ashridah ("sleep") |
| 14:44:48 | jyp | Anyone minds if change SOFTWARECODECS to be the list of wanted codecs instead of a mere yes/no? |
| 14:45:16 | jyp | Because I don't plan to support all codecs on gmini, at least all at once |
| 14:46:40 | jyp | preglow? LinusN? |
| 14:53:14 | preglow | don't ask me, i don't deal with the build system |
| 14:57:46 | jyp | ok |
| 14:58:13 | | Nick DMJC is now known as DMJC-sleep (~James@220-245-162-47-sa-nt.tpgi.com.au) |
| 14:58:33 | jyp | So here, a question for you preglow ... |
| 14:59:04 | jyp | how come the part inside # if CONFIG_CPU==MCF5249 gets compiled ? |
| 14:59:41 | jyp | Or is it considered build-system too ? |
| 15:00 |
| 15:00:15 | preglow | it gets compiled on gmini? |
| 15:00:21 | jyp | yup |
| 15:00:23 | preglow | haha |
| 15:00:30 | preglow | well, then CONFIG_CPU is quite clearly set wrongly |
| 15:00:33 | jyp | I mean, it tries to ;) |
| 15:00:36 | preglow | haha |
| 15:01:14 | jyp | Is there another config.h ? |
| 15:01:31 | preglow | i really don't know |
| 15:01:36 | preglow | i haven't dealt with that |
| 15:01:46 | preglow | if CONFIG_CPU is what everyone else uses |
| 15:01:48 | preglow | so i used it as well |
| 15:02:06 | jyp | its usage is fine... |
| 15:02:18 | | Join lolo-laptop [0] (~lostlogic@68.251.84.226) |
| 15:02:19 | jyp | yet I wonder why it's defined wrongly |
| 15:02:34 | LinusN | jyp: where is that code? |
| 15:03:08 | jyp | rockbox/apps/codecs/libmad/layer3.c |
| 15:03:26 | jyp | rockbox/apps/codecs/libmad/layer3.c:2166: error: unknown register name `a5' in `asm' |
| 15:03:35 | | Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) |
| 15:04:38 | Bonkers | not running in the simluator? |
| 15:04:59 | Bonkers | well compiling for |
| 15:05:08 | jyp | no; gmini target |
| 15:06:45 | jyp | why do you insist on "silent" compilation btw ? It makes quite hard to track these problems |
| 15:07:08 | Bonkers | and ARCHOS_GMINI(120/SP) is definitely defined? |
| 15:07:27 | jyp | Apparently not |
| 15:07:30 | LinusN | jyp: because it is hard to see the warnings with all the output |
| 15:07:36 | jyp | I'm trying to understand why |
| 15:07:38 | preglow | it's badger! no wait |
| 15:08:09 | preglow | i love silent compilation, really easy to turn it off anyway |
| 15:08:16 | jyp | how so ? |
| 15:08:30 | preglow | just remove a couple of @'s here and there, no? |
| 15:08:37 | LinusN | in make.inc |
| 15:08:41 | preglow | that's have i removed silent objcopy and objdump, at least |
| 15:08:47 | preglow | ahh, just objcopy |
| 15:08:51 | jyp | for each makefile ... |
| 15:08:57 | LinusN | jyp: make.inc |
| 15:08:58 | preglow | no, believe make.inc has it |
| 15:09:15 | jyp | nah, each codec makefile has its own |
| 15:09:19 | | Join kurzhaarrocker [0] (~Phil@p3E9C2172.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:09:22 | jyp | just found it |
| 15:10:24 | jyp | arg! calmrisc16-unknown-elf-gcc ... -DARCHOS_GMINISP ... |
| 15:11:04 | Bagder | ? |
| 15:11:28 | * | Bagder comes in in the middle of a discussion |
| 15:11:30 | jyp | problem is CONFIG_CPU=MCF |
| 15:11:47 | jyp | despite the target being gmini |
| 15:11:56 | Bagder | where/when? |
| 15:12:31 | jyp | Also, maybe you can answer my earlier question; do you mind if change SOFTWARECODECS to be the list of wanted codecs instead of a mere yes/no? |
| 15:12:40 | jyp | rockbox/apps/codecs/libmad/layer3.c:2166: error: unknown register name `a5' in `asm' |
| 15:13:45 | kurzhaarrocker | scandisk reports problems for each file rockbox has written. Is that a known problem? (I run quite an old version of rockbox) |
| 15:13:47 | Bagder | does the codecs include rockbox's config.h properly? |
| 15:14:14 | jyp | # ifdef HAVE_CONFIG_H |
| 15:14:14 | jyp | # include "config.h" |
| 15:14:14 | jyp | # endif |
| 15:14:25 | Bagder | and is that defined? |
| 15:14:29 | jyp | So, no ;) |
| 15:14:34 | LinusN | kurzhaarrocker: weird |
| 15:14:42 | LinusN | not a known problem |
| 15:15:02 | jyp | Shall I drop the ifdef HAVE_CONFIG_H ? |
| 15:15:12 | Bagder | or add the include in global.h |
| 15:15:29 | Bagder | as I believe that is included by all codecs |
| 15:15:34 | kurzhaarrocker | Ok then I'll report back with a more precise problem description tomorrow, LinusN |
| 15:16:03 | jyp | Ain't it ../codec.h ? |
| 15:16:24 | LinusN | jyp: it must have included config.h, else CONFIG_CPU wouldn't have been MCF5249 |
| 15:16:31 | Bagder | jyp: right, it is |
| 15:16:52 | jyp | LinusN: all I can tell you is adding the include manually fixes the problem |
| 15:17:05 | LinusN | "the include"? |
| 15:17:39 | jyp | adding #include "config.h" to codec.h |
| 15:18:01 | Bagder | I believe that is a correct fix |
| 15:18:28 | LinusN | but how did it include config-h100.h in the first place? |
| 15:18:46 | Bagder | well, possibly both were undefined and treated as zero? |
| 15:19:23 | jyp | must be |
| 15:19:25 | LinusN | aha, so #if VAL == num is true if VAL is undefined? |
| 15:19:45 | | Quit kurzhaarrocker (Remote closed the connection) |
| 15:21:00 | jyp | LinusN: yes |
| 15:21:08 | | Quit R3nTiL () |
| 15:21:14 | jyp | just tested: |
| 15:21:15 | jyp | #if A == B |
| 15:21:15 | jyp | #error ouch |
| 15:21:15 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK jyp |
| 15:21:15 | jyp | #endif |
| 15:21:19 | LinusN | man, and i thought i knew C... |
| 15:21:53 | Bagder | but gcc warns for that, doesn't it? |
| 15:22:03 | jyp | both must be undefined though |
| 15:22:17 | jyp | no warning |
| 15:22:32 | Bagder | it might need some -W option to make it warn then... |
| 15:22:42 | jyp | even with -Wall |
| 15:22:50 | Bagder | strange |
| 15:23:37 | jyp | Also; the codec makefile overrides the optimization level |
| 15:23:49 | jyp | is this wanted behaviour ? |
| 15:24:14 | Bagder | I doubt that |
| 15:24:47 | jyp | I'm not sure with option takes precedence; |
| 15:24:59 | jyp | ie. gcc -Os -O2 ... |
| 15:25:10 | jyp | which will prevail |
| 15:25:12 | Bagder | me neither |
| 15:25:12 | jyp | ? |
| 15:25:39 | Bagder | imho, the codecs should not set those options but use the globally set ones |
| 15:25:56 | jyp | my thinking too; I'm removing it |
| 15:26:47 | jyp | You're ok with the codec list thing ? |
| 15:27:06 | LinusN | i can imagine that the codecs might want different optimization flags than the rest of the system |
| 15:27:12 | Bagder | jyp: I am |
| 15:27:30 | preglow | LinusN: yes, so can i |
| 15:27:45 | preglow | inlining might be pretty critical for some codecs |
| 15:28:15 | LinusN | exactly |
| 15:28:38 | LinusN | while the rest of rockbox can be optimized for size, you don't want the codecs to be too slow |
| 15:29:23 | Bagder | won't we then add specific opts with -f instead ? |
| 15:29:39 | LinusN | perhaps |
| 15:29:46 | Bagder | if not, we should set the -O thing in a separate variable in the root Makefile so that the codecs can override it easier |
| 15:29:47 | jyp | ok, I leave as is for the time being; committing the compilation of libmad for gmini |
| 15:33:12 | | Nick Strath is now known as StrathAFK (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a252.wi.tds.net) |
| 15:34:59 | preglow | arghhh |
| 15:35:20 | preglow | this emac stuff would be pretty cool if it was a bit easier to manipulate the acc registers |
| 15:38:31 | LinusN | whine, whine... :-) |
| 15:41:26 | preglow | i read the acc register and the extension word, i do a double sub from zero with carry,then store it back, and bam, accumulator now contains garbage instead of negated value |
| 15:42:33 | jyp | sub zero wins! |
| 15:43:34 | preglow | haha |
| 15:43:46 | preglow | double fatality |
| 15:43:57 | jyp | ,) |
| 15:48:38 | [IDC]Dragon | preglow: can't you multiply it with -1 ? |
| 15:50:40 | Bagder | jyp: the libmad Makefile commit looks like a mistkae |
| 15:50:43 | Bagder | mistake |
| 15:51:17 | Bagder | since it just removes the @ |
| 15:52:09 | jyp | you're right |
| 15:54:18 | preglow | [IDC]Dragon: no, i can only add or subtract to the accumulator |
| 15:55:43 | LinusN | preglow: show me the code |
| 15:59:30 | jyp | preglow: I had to slightly change libmad to implement a workaround a gcc bug; (we talked about this some time ago) |
| 15:59:49 | jyp | perhaps you'll want to double check it ... |
| 15:59:57 | preglow | will |
| 16:00 |
| 16:00:01 | jyp | even if it is of trivial nature |
| 16:00:09 | preglow | LinusN: hold on, i think i've figured out the bug, |
| 16:00:55 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Now I'm here |
| 16:00:59 | Bagder | jyp: you checked any decoding performance with libmad on target yet? |
| 16:01:37 | jyp | not yet |
| 16:01:48 | preglow | LinusN: glow.m0f0.net/rockbox/dsptest2.c |
| 16:01:50 | jyp | I expect it to be very bad though ;) |
| 16:01:55 | preglow | LinusN: it's the negacc function |
| 16:02:21 | preglow | i think i need to sign extend the top extension byte |
| 16:04:14 | | Part jyp ("poof!") |
| 16:04:19 | preglow | oh, and the clobber list is on crack |
| 16:04:20 | | Join jyp [0] (~jp@222.199-200-80.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 16:04:30 | preglow | but that's just me forgetting to revert it |
| 16:04:52 | LinusN | oops, gotta run |
| 16:04:58 | | Part LinusN |
| 16:22:08 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: got my email? |
| 16:22:28 | amiconn | Sent today? Then not (yet) |
| 16:22:45 | [IDC]Dragon | today, late morning |
| 16:23:00 | amiconn | I saw there's another aucktion on ebay, 5 defective archos'es |
| 16:23:09 | amiconn | (same vendor iirc) |
| 16:23:25 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, he withheld some? |
| 16:23:30 | amiconn | 3 Studios, 1x V1, 1x FMR |
| 16:23:34 | amiconn | all without hd |
| 16:23:42 | [IDC]Dragon | :-/ |
| 16:24:00 | amiconn | I consider bidding... |
| 16:25:00 | [IDC]Dragon | there's another auction, V1 with bad display |
| 16:27:37 | [IDC]Dragon | OndioSP for 42 EUR, BuyNow |
| 16:28:07 | amiconn | About the same I paid... |
| 16:28:16 | amiconn | They usually go cheaper now |
| 16:28:26 | [IDC]Dragon | ok |
| 16:30:08 | [IDC]Dragon | I can't find the broken batch |
| 16:31:05 | amiconn | http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3880223128&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT |
| 16:32:41 | [IDC]Dragon | feel free, I'm not competing :-) |
| 16:33:11 | [IDC]Dragon | the V1 I got seem more or less alive |
| 16:33:35 | [IDC]Dragon | the older recorders (USB1) are all dead |
| 16:33:38 | | Join mecraw [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) |
| 16:34:51 | [IDC]Dragon | I even got the inner part of a V2 and an FM, but both dead |
| 16:36:18 | [IDC]Dragon | too bad, else I could have revived my bursted FM |
| 16:39:04 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 16:46:00 | | Join davae [0] (~david@62-99-165-153.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at) |
| 16:46:51 | | Join DrRick [0] (DrRick@81-86-91-233.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 16:52:21 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Did you already try logo.rock on the player? |
| 17:00 |
| 17:02:30 | | Quit davae ("Lost terminal") |
| 17:10:36 | | Join Terminal-Velocit [0] (~tony@ipa193.1.tellas.gr) |
| 17:26:55 | | Quit Renko (Remote closed the connection) |
| 17:29:01 | | Join Sucka [0] (~NNSCRIPT@host81-156-159-252.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) |
| 17:29:04 | | Join sofaSpud [0] (~john@200.119.32.101) |
| 17:32:16 | Zagor | anyone feeling like playing with the m68k gcc might want to have a look at this patch that adds the -mregparm option, passing function parameters in registers instead of on the stack: |
| 17:32:25 | Zagor | http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2004-06/msg02053.html |
| 17:32:39 | Zagor | could speed things up for us with our slow ram |
| 17:32:54 | amiconn | Zagor: That's not default with m68k? Strange... |
| 17:33:14 | amiconn | SH1 gcc passes parameters in regs for functions with <= 4 parameters |
| 17:33:29 | amiconn | (using r4..r7) |
| 17:33:44 | Bagder | 68k has a different ABI convension iirc |
| 17:33:48 | Zagor | exactly |
| 17:33:57 | preglow | amiconn: 68k has stack based parameters by default |
| 17:34:02 | Zagor | the mregparm option "voilates" the ABI |
| 17:34:02 | amiconn | Urgs |
| 17:34:14 | Bagder | but could speed things up for us |
| 17:34:16 | preglow | who cares, i say we use it if we can |
| 17:34:24 | Zagor | absolutely |
| 17:34:30 | preglow | before i write any more assembly :P |
| 17:34:46 | amiconn | (the 'urgs' was related to the default, not to the abi violation) |
| 17:34:56 | Zagor | :) |
| 17:36:04 | preglow | do you know how they're passed? pointers go in d registers ? |
| 17:37:32 | Zagor | i don't know |
| 17:39:09 | preglow | well, we should use it anyway, it'll be faster and make the code a bit smaller |
| 17:40:00 | preglow | seems like the patch was ignored pretty thoroughly, though, would be nice having it in the official gcc |
| 17:41:17 | Bagder | I believe Linus' patches were received pretty much in silence (too) |
| 17:41:50 | amiconn | preglow: From a quick look at the patch, it seems that the number is settable (default = 2, max = 4). Then <number> registers of each type (all of address, data and fp) are used for regparms |
| 17:43:24 | amiconn | Of course coldfire has no fp registers |
| 17:43:25 | preglow | max four? |
| 17:43:28 | preglow | why not more? |
| 17:44:05 | amiconn | That's more than on sh1... because 4 means 4 data registers _and_ 4 address registers (and 4 fp registers on 68k with fpu) |
| 17:44:20 | preglow | ahh, great |
| 17:44:35 | amiconn | Look at the patch file, near the end |
| 17:53:38 | | Join Lmcmann [0] (~88010121@labb.contactor.se) |
| 18:00 |
| 18:05:33 | jyp | preglow, anyone else, what would be a decent size for the mp3 buffer? |
| 18:05:34 | jyp | 1mb ? |
| 18:07:15 | preglow | as large as you can make it? |
| 18:07:25 | preglow | or no, gmini is a flash player? |
| 18:07:48 | jyp | no, hd |
| 18:07:56 | preglow | hmm |
| 18:07:59 | preglow | then use as much ram as you can |
| 18:08:08 | jyp | the problem is that I'm rather ignorant of the memory mapping |
| 18:08:39 | jyp | I'm asking what would be the minimum size for a test |
| 18:09:06 | | Quit kergoth (Remote closed the connection) |
| 18:09:15 | | Join kergoth [0] (~kergoth@ip71.churchill-park.dfw.ygnition.net) |
| 18:09:28 | preglow | well, any size will do |
| 18:09:34 | preglow | 1 meg should be ample |
| 18:09:42 | jyp | good |
| 18:10:42 | | Nick Terminal-Velocit is now known as tvelocity[away] (~tony@ipa193.1.tellas.gr) |
| 18:10:46 | jyp | thank you |
| 18:11:41 | jyp | Any alignment requirements ? |
| 18:11:55 | preglow | none that i can think of |
| 18:12:07 | jyp | alright |
| 18:20:20 | | Join kergoth_ [0] (~kergoth@li11-226.members.linode.com) |
| 18:21:02 | | Quit kergoth ("leaving") |
| 18:21:03 | | Nick kergoth_ is now known as kergoth (~kergoth@li11-226.members.linode.com) |
| 18:22:50 | | Quit Patr3ck () |
| 18:25:26 | | Quit Lmcmann (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 18:34:30 | jyp | time to go |
| 18:34:35 | | Quit jyp ("poof!") |
| 18:39:05 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 18:44:12 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: G6t y64r 0a53 n6w,,, |
| 18:44:25 | amiconn | Oops, meaning 'Got your mail now' |
| 18:44:32 | amiconn | (dreaded numlock) |
| 18:46:11 | | Join Stryke` [0] (~Chairman8@resnet-241-86.resnet.umbc.edu) |
| 18:48:29 | preglow | and i'm off |
| 18:48:31 | | Quit preglow ("laul") |
| 18:50:40 | | Quit bobTHC ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") |
| 19:00 |
| 19:00:15 | | Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") |
| 19:01:29 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: I thought you're practicing this funny speak, what's it called? |
| 19:03:23 | amiconn | No, not practising 1337 |
| 19:04:07 | [IDC]Dragon | I have lo clue, does it translate to leet? |
| 19:04:15 | amiconn | yup |
| 19:04:17 | [IDC]Dragon | s/lo/no |
| 19:04:27 | [IDC]Dragon | and what's the story? |
| 19:08:10 | [IDC]Dragon | ok, google told me |
| 19:08:36 | amiconn | http://www.google.com/intl/xx-hacker/ |
| 19:09:17 | [IDC]Dragon | omg |
| 19:10:00 | [IDC]Dragon | Once used by the hacker community as sort of a sub-culture language, ANYONE using this type of speak in the present day in age is either: A) A clueless net newbie who somehow thinks its still "cool" to speak this way. B) A veteren net user who uses it to parody the type of people mentioned in example A. |
| 19:15:59 | DeadMan | l33t $p3a|<? |
| 19:16:05 | | Join lImbus [0] (lImbus@152-172.243.81.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 19:16:12 | lImbus | g'evening |
| 19:16:19 | lImbus | wow. we got ops :-) |
| 19:16:23 | DeadMan | l33t $p34|< hehe |
| 19:16:36 | DeadMan | anyone who types like that is a dumbass |
| 19:17:00 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 19:17:00 | * | lImbus bows before ops and, of course, logbot |
| 19:17:11 | DeadMan | I will h4x0r j00 ;) |
| 19:17:39 | DeadMan | was amusing for a while. amazing how some still type that way on some channels |
| 19:17:43 | * | amiconn doesn't see any ops... |
| 19:18:54 | | Join DrRickDee [0] (DrRick@81-86-236-190.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 19:19:35 | DeadMan | wow! in China they are building the worlds biggest dam. it can generate electricity the equivalent of 10 nuclear power stations |
| 19:21:06 | DeadMan | but they crap all over their people by building these dams :P |
| 19:21:48 | lImbus | amiconn: lol. It's hydrairc's buddy group :-S |
| 19:22:37 | amiconn | Muhahaha. In fact, ops are pretty easy to spot in Hydra, even if they are also in a buddy group, because they're coloured red |
| 19:24:58 | lImbus | yes, I remember. I should practice more irc :-) |
| 19:27:20 | | Quit DrRick (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 19:31:15 | | Join R3nTiL [0] (~zorroz@83.69.98.74) |
| 19:33:35 | Lynx_ | DeadMan: how many hours of mp3 playback is equivalent of 10 nuclear power stations? |
| 19:37:08 | Sucka | how long do the nuclear power stations run for |
| 19:38:08 | | Quit R3nTiL () |
| 19:39:31 | Lynx_ | Sucka: that depends entirely on which country they are located in ;) |
| 19:39:41 | Sucka | :O |
| 19:40:13 | mirak | hi |
| 19:43:28 | mirak | hey |
| 19:43:36 | mirak | I would like to buy the iRiver h320 |
| 19:43:49 | mirak | however I have seen it can't record in wav |
| 19:44:04 | mirak | I mean the normal firmware |
| 19:44:17 | mirak | should rock box be able to record and read wav ? |
| 19:44:54 | Bagder | it will, yes |
| 19:46:21 | mirak | ok I buy it then :) |
| 19:46:31 | mirak | a bit expensive but well |
| 19:50:53 | mirak | Bagder: I was wondering something about the host to host usb |
| 19:51:05 | Bagder | I know nothing about that |
| 19:51:13 | mirak | does this mean that a usb device vcan be pluggued on the iRiver |
| 19:51:23 | mirak | like if it's just a usb port |
| 19:51:23 | mirak | ? |
| 19:51:31 | Sucka | european h320s i believe but not american |
| 19:51:39 | mirak | s ? |
| 19:51:42 | mirak | what means the s |
| 19:51:44 | mirak | ah ok |
| 19:51:44 | Sucka | plural |
| 19:51:47 | mirak | it's plural |
| 19:52:10 | mirak | so we could be able to plug a keyboard on it ? |
| 19:54:05 | Sucka | no i think its more for cameras etc |
| 19:54:11 | Sucka | to get pictures off them |
| 19:54:38 | Soul_Eater | yeah i was wondering that myself. |
| 19:54:54 | mirak | yes |
| 19:54:55 | Soul_Eater | If hardware components could be made like a keyboard to work with the iriver usb port, with different firmware |
| 19:55:02 | mirak | but it means there is a UMS driver |
| 19:55:18 | mirak | on the h3xx side |
| 19:55:52 | mirak | technicaly it makes sens |
| 19:55:54 | mirak | I think |
| 19:55:54 | | Quit tvelocity[away] ("Error loading new keyboard description") |
| 19:56:19 | mirak | exept maybe about the power |
| 19:56:32 | mirak | with a auto alimitented usb hub it could be ok |
| 19:57:39 | | Nick Lynx_ is now known as Lynx_awy (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59) |
| 20:00 |
| 20:16:06 | | Join loki1228 [0] (~brian@c-24-1-138-23.client.comcast.net) |
| 20:17:47 | loki1228 | does rockbox support Ogg? |
| 20:18:02 | mirak | yes |
| 20:21:06 | loki1228 | cool - I know it runs on the iRiver h120. Waht about the h3XX? |
| 20:21:23 | loki1228 | s/What/What |
| 20:21:36 | loki1228 | damn... |
| 20:25:02 | lImbus | neither :-) |
| 20:25:23 | lImbus | rockbox does not yet run in a "install-and-go" manner on either iRiver-device |
| 20:25:37 | | Join nozomiyume [0] (~vthakkar@ip-133-194.station.sony.com) |
| 20:25:48 | loki1228 | ok - i guess it takes quite a bit of work |
| 20:29:36 | Soul_Eater | it hasnt even been started for the h3xx |
| 20:30:53 | | Quit [IDC]Dragon ("CGI:IRC") |
| 20:32:32 | | Quit lImbus (" brb, reboot") |
| 20:35:35 | Soul_Eater | so anyone alive i have an incredibly easy math program |
| 20:35:38 | Soul_Eater | not program |
| 20:35:40 | Soul_Eater | question |
| 20:35:42 | Soul_Eater | math question |
| 20:38:51 | Sucka | ? |
| 20:39:08 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:41:24 | | Join lImbus [0] (lImbus@152-172.243.81.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 20:44:22 | | Join Lmcmann [0] (~88010121@labb.contactor.se) |
| 20:52:25 | HCl | yawn. |
| 20:52:34 | | Join otsego [0] (~root@wbar14.tampa1-4-4-154-223.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net) |
| 20:55:53 | | Join bg_ [0] (~chatzilla@216.183.244.90) |
| 20:56:41 | DeadMan | errr....wot? http://dra-mata.com/misc/flash/movie_4_hands_e.swf |
| 20:59:21 | Soul_Eater | whats the percent of 66/23 |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:06 | | Join stevenm [0] (~steve@176-14.mam.umd.edu) |
| 21:00:55 | Lmcmann | the percent of 66/23's? |
| 21:01:14 | Lmcmann | divide 66 by 23 and read off the number |
| 21:01:22 | Soul_Eater | 2.869565 |
| 21:01:30 | Lmcmann | 2.87% |
| 21:01:31 | Soul_Eater | 28.6? |
| 21:01:41 | Lmcmann | two hundred and 87 percent |
| 21:01:49 | | Part otsego |
| 21:02:06 | Soul_Eater | i mean if 66 = 100%, what percent does 23 make up of that |
| 21:02:12 | Lmcmann | I think we need a bit more info on what you mean by percent |
| 21:02:16 | Lmcmann | oh! |
| 21:02:20 | Lmcmann | different question |
| 21:04:23 | CoCoLUS | ~34 |
| 21:04:41 | Soul_Eater | how did you come to that |
| 21:04:50 | Schnueff | 23/66*100 |
| 21:05:17 | CoCoLUS | or (100/66)*23 :) |
| 21:06:09 | Lmcmann | look at it like this. iF 100% of something is 66, and you have 23 of them, that's about one third, so about 33% |
| 21:06:54 | stevenm | Are you looking for what percent of 23 is 66, or vice versa ? |
| 21:07:19 | Lmcmann | divide how many you have out of the total number to get the percent |
| 21:07:46 | Lmcmann | move the decimal point two places to the right, and read off the number. |
| 21:07:54 | Schnueff | 2/3= .666 the number of the beast −−- scary |
| 21:08:33 | Lmcmann | Follow what we're saying? |
| 21:09:44 | Lmcmann | Actually, I had a RockBox question. Anyone here know about the display settings? |
| 21:10:05 | stevenm | anyone know when Linus or stripwax are coming back ? |
| 21:10:19 | stevenm | Or, anyone know anything about Gravis Envelope Bytes for that matter ? |
| 21:10:21 | Lmcmann | I have an FM, just put todays build on, and can't change the volume and batt display back to numeric. |
| 21:10:33 | Lmcmann | Hmmm, never heard of them. |
| 21:10:42 | Lmcmann | Doesn't help, I know. |
| 21:11:07 | stevenm | Yea I even looked at the Timidity++ source code, but from their comments, it doesn't look like they are too sure about how to process that data |
| 21:11:36 | Lmcmann | What are you using Timidity for? |
| 21:13:23 | | Quit bg_ ("Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0+/20050201]") |
| 21:14:49 | Soul_Eater | oh ok |
| 21:14:53 | Soul_Eater | i was dividing wrong |
| 21:14:53 | Soul_Eater | heh |
| 21:21:29 | | Nick StrathAFK is now known as Strath (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a252.wi.tds.net) |
| 21:23:27 | | Part Lmcmann |
| 21:27:58 | | Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") |
| 21:35:35 | | Join jyp [0] (~jp@222.199-200-80.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 21:38:55 | | Quit edx (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) |
| 21:46:23 | | Quit Stryke` ("Friends don't let friends listen to Anti-Flag") |
| 21:47:06 | | Quit YouCeyE ("Leaving") |
| 21:48:15 | | Join Stryke` [0] (~Chairman8@resnet-241-86.resnet.umbc.edu) |
| 21:50:20 | | Join Acoc [0] (~chatzilla@pcp177174pcs.plsntv01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 21:51:18 | Acoc | hey guys- I just took apart my jukebox 6000 and that little piece of metal that holds one of the springs down broke |
| 21:51:28 | Acoc | is it absolutely necessary |
| 21:59:18 | | Join preglow [0] (thomj@s183a.studby.ntnu.no) |
| 22:00 |
| 22:01:21 | CoCoLUS | does is work now? if yes, then no, its not necessary :P |
| 22:01:26 | preglow | hah |
| 22:01:31 | preglow | the aligned malloc was very clever |
| 22:01:37 | preglow | why the hell didn't i think of that |
| 22:02:41 | CoCoLUS | because you're not clever enough? :) |
| 22:04:05 | | Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
| 22:08:57 | | Quit stevenm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 22:09:34 | Acoc | I tried it once without solder and it started smoking |
| 22:10:01 | Acoc | figured something was touching something bad |
| 22:10:21 | DeadMan | So it's time for my daily 'is anyone working on audio out on the iRiver?' question :) |
| 22:10:57 | Acoc | linus do you happen to know if that little metal piece holding the spring is important |
| 22:13:06 | pabs | Acoc: just send me the jukebox 600 and i'll tell you whether or not it's necessary :D :D :D |
| 22:14:17 | Acoc | when I catch it on fire your welcome to it |
| 22:16:40 | Acoc | alright time for a quick go of it now that it's soldered |
| 22:17:25 | preglow | DeadMan: you can work on it! |
| 22:17:43 | DeadMan | ;) |
| 22:17:56 | DeadMan | I wish I knew how |
| 22:18:02 | preglow | never to late to teach that |
| 22:18:05 | preglow | learn, i mean |
| 22:18:23 | DeadMan | by the time I learn it will be done lol |
| 22:18:27 | preglow | yes, sure :) |
| 22:19:57 | DeadMan | Y HELO THAR |
| 22:20:46 | Acoc | alright no smoke this time and the poor connection I was having was fixed |
| 22:22:33 | LinusN | Acoc: it isn't important, but it helps retracting the spring to ease the pressure on the pcb |
| 22:28:34 | | Quit Schnueff ("leaving") |
| 22:30:29 | | Join skav [0] (skav@67-138-74-184.dsl1.merch.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) |
| 22:31:57 | | Join stevenm [0] (~steve@stevenm-router.student.umd.edu) |
| 22:33:13 | | Nick DMJC-sleep is now known as DMJC (~James@220-245-162-47-sa-nt.tpgi.com.au) |
| 22:37:41 | Soul_Eater | fuck i forgot what i was doing |
| 22:39:09 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:40:37 | mirak | lImbus: hey, should it be possible to use usb device via the usb 1.1 port of the Hxx ? |
| 22:40:58 | preglow | what the hell? is .word 32 bits on arm gas? |
| 22:41:01 | mirak | doesn't the iRiver just use a UMS driver to acces to cameras ? |
| 22:41:15 | mirak | word is always 32 bits |
| 22:41:24 | mirak | hum no |
| 22:41:28 | mirak | that's 16 :) |
| 22:41:49 | preglow | yes, that i know |
| 22:42:44 | preglow | but some guy declares a list of 32 bit numberrs with .word here |
| 22:43:56 | | Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~idc-drago@p3EE2D934.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:44:26 | lImbus | mirak, what do you call use ? |
| 22:45:07 | lImbus | I've seen working a archos 20 rec as external hard drive for a iRiver H340 :-) |
| 22:45:34 | lImbus | i'm not sure if it's solely "usb-to-go" or full usb host adapter |
| 22:46:00 | mirak | I eman, plug a keyboard usb or a mouse |
| 22:46:03 | mirak | mean |
| 22:46:32 | | Quit [IDC]Dragon (Client Quit) |
| 22:47:11 | lImbus | with usb host adapter yes (there would've been the driver for the keyboard to be written though) with usb-to-go not |
| 22:47:22 | | Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~Joerg@p3EE2D934.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:47:42 | [IDC]Dragon | hi again |
| 22:48:00 | mirak | lImbus: what is the difference ? |
| 22:48:18 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: do you have any opinion about my MMC panic? |
| 22:48:27 | lImbus | well, usb-to-go is just for external usb-mass-storage devices |
| 22:48:40 | [IDC]Dragon | else I'll plaster the code with splashes |
| 22:49:00 | Bagder | lImbus: I don't think that is true |
| 22:49:03 | mirak | lImbus: hum yes, but the control is not hardware isn't it ? |
| 22:49:17 | mirak | lImbus: isn't it the firware that control this ? |
| 22:49:29 | mirak | why wouldn't it work ? |
| 22:49:33 | lImbus | mhmm. |
| 22:49:46 | | Join stripwax [0] (~stripwax@213-228-241-36.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) |
| 22:49:52 | lImbus | Bagder, you think usb-to-go can have all usb-stuff ? |
| 22:50:00 | Bagder | OTG is not restricted to usb-storage |
| 22:50:21 | lImbus | then the only difference would be the maxcount of devices (1 vs. 254 I suppose) |
| 22:50:31 | Bagder | OTG simply means it can serve in both ends of a USB communication |
| 22:50:43 | lImbus | ouch |
| 22:50:58 | mirak | cool we will be able to run gnome on it then |
| 22:50:59 | mirak | lol |
| 22:51:21 | Bagder | well, in this particular case on this chip, it might very well be limited to usb-storage of course |
| 22:51:28 | lImbus | why does the iRiver H340 then have a usb2.0 (usb-mini-b) and a separate usb1.1 (usb-mini-a) connector ? |
| 22:51:46 | Bagder | I don't know |
| 22:52:00 | | Quit Stryke` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 22:52:10 | Bagder | but I'm not a USB wizard, I might be wrong |
| 22:52:58 | | Part LinusN |
| 22:53:15 | | Join stripwax_ [0] (~stripwax@213-228-241-36.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) |
| 22:56:55 | mirak | lImbus: well maybe because it gives two way then |
| 22:57:06 | mirak | lImbus: 1.1 incomming |
| 22:57:10 | mirak | and 2.0 outgoing |
| 22:57:19 | mirak | not worth having 2.0 incomming |
| 22:57:28 | mirak | that's my theory |
| 22:57:30 | mirak | ^^ |
| 22:57:45 | stripwax_ | ello |
| 22:57:59 | Bagder | i586-mingw32msvc-gcc −−version |
| 22:57:59 | Bagder | i586-mingw32msvc-gcc (GCC) 3.4.2 (mingw-special) |
| 22:58:18 | | Quit stripwax (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) |
| 22:59:11 | | Quit Acoc ("ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.2/20040803]") |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:58 | stripwax_ | is irc playing up or is there really no one here |
| 23:01:02 | | Part stripwax_ |
| 23:01:09 | | Join stripwax_ [0] (~stripwax@213-228-241-36.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) |
| 23:01:17 | Bagder | there is people here |
| 23:01:34 | * | lImbus waves |
| 23:02:05 | stripwax_ | hmm, I see nothing in the user list, hi anyways! |
| 23:02:23 | [IDC]Dragon | 57 people here |
| 23:03:14 | | Part stripwax_ |
| 23:03:15 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn, are you there? |
| 23:03:46 | [IDC]Dragon | (stripwax_ got scared by the masses) |
| 23:04:38 | Bagder | I found out there is a win32 cross-compiler already done as a debian package |
| 23:05:00 | Bagder | so the win32 sim cross-compiles will soon be made with gcc 3.4.2 |
| 23:05:17 | | Join [IDC]Dragon2 [0] (~Joerg@p3EE2D934.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:05:48 | [IDC]Dragon2 | my WLAN got scared, too |
| 23:05:55 | lImbus | hehe |
| 23:06:19 | | Join stripwax [0] (~stripwax@213-228-241-36.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) |
| 23:06:25 | stripwax | ahh, better. ello again |
| 23:07:02 | | Join edx [0] (edx@p5487906D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:07:46 | | Part stripwax |
| 23:08:00 | | Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") |
| 23:13:44 | | Join [IDC]Dragon3 [0] (~idc-drago@p3EE2D934.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:14:03 | [IDC]Dragon3 | this isn't funny |
| 23:14:09 | lImbus | ouch |
| 23:14:33 | [IDC]Dragon3 | since about a week, my WLAN is very intermittant |
| 23:14:47 | [IDC]Dragon3 | I have no clue why |
| 23:14:52 | lImbus | sure it's not t-online ? |
| 23:14:58 | Bonkers | making lots of microwave popcorn? |
| 23:15:06 | [IDC]Dragon3 | no, the wired PC is ok |
| 23:15:30 | [IDC]Dragon3 | reception can't be better, the acess point is in the same room |
| 23:19:31 | | Join silencer [0] (~silencer@zen.via.ecp.fr) |
| 23:24:33 | Rick | wohoo! ;) |
| 23:24:39 | Rick | my h120 remote just got delivered |
| 23:26:41 | | Quit [IDC]Dragon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 23:27:17 | Rick | hrm |
| 23:27:17 | Rick | odd |
| 23:27:21 | Rick | the wire is backward |
| 23:28:12 | Bagder | backward? |
| 23:28:17 | Rick | coulda sworn the wire |
| 23:28:21 | Rick | went out on the left side |
| 23:28:22 | Rick | not the right |
| 23:28:28 | Rick | did they update the remote design? |
| 23:28:33 | Bagder | mine goes out to the left |
| 23:28:56 | Rick | yeah, the one I just got goes out the right |
| 23:28:58 | Rick | guess they updated it |
| 23:29:16 | | Join matsl [0] (~matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) |
| 23:31:01 | mirak | do you plan to support pmp ? |
| 23:31:28 | Rick | let's support h1x0 first |
| 23:31:28 | Rick | ;P |
| 23:32:24 | Bagder | mirak: we'll support all platforms people make rockbox work on |
| 23:32:33 | Bagder | without exceptions |
| 23:32:46 | mirak | pmp is a bit to expensive |
| 23:32:51 | mirak | well they are all to expensive anyway |
| 23:32:56 | Rick | lol |
| 23:33:04 | mirak | I plan to buy a h320 |
| 23:33:11 | mirak | but when I see the pmp I say to myself |
| 23:33:27 | mirak | well for 130 more euro I can got full video |
| 23:33:41 | mirak | but that's about twice the price of the h320 more |
| 23:33:42 | mirak | lol |
| 23:34:46 | | Quit [IDC]Dragon2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 23:36:34 | | Nick [IDC]Dragon3 is now known as [IDC]Dragon (~idc-drago@p3EE2D934.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:38:52 | stevenm | preglow, Do you think it would be fine for the MIDI codec to just ignore all the envelope data (for now at least) ? |
| 23:39:14 | | Quit sofaSpud ("There are lies, damn lies, and MS facts") |
| 23:42:01 | Bonkers | no, prefection is the only option |
| 23:42:47 | preglow | stevenm: of course |
| 23:42:50 | preglow | stevenm: it can always be added |
| 23:43:08 | preglow | i can code it if i get time some day |
| 23:44:00 | | Join Patr3ck [0] (~patr3ck@pD9548103.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:44:04 | stevenm | preglow, I have spent the past three days pouring over the numbers and encodings for the env rate/offset |
| 23:44:31 | stevenm | my roommate even helped me, and he is a math genius.. and he couldn't see any pattern |
| 23:45:11 | stevenm | I am seeing a small correlation between some things but not others.. ie, some patches follow a general ratio but others do not. I think it so far sounds well enough without release and junk |
| 23:45:39 | | Quit lolo-laptop ("Client exiting") |
| 23:46:11 | stevenm | preglow, now all that is left is pitch bend, and it doesn't look like that much of a pain. First parameter doesnt seem to do anything, and the second is 32 points for each MIDI note |
| 23:46:38 | preglow | i there's probably a lot of midi cc messages to implement as well |
| 23:46:45 | stevenm | cc ? |
| 23:46:51 | preglow | control change |
| 23:46:57 | preglow | vibrato, reverb, chorus, etc |
| 23:47:10 | stevenm | oh.. at the moment I have volume and panning. don't really know what the other ones do |
| 23:47:35 | stevenm | and I dont even have files that I've seen those in. |
| 23:47:35 | preglow | vibrato is probably needed |
| 23:47:37 | preglow | we'll see |
| 23:47:54 | stevenm | I have a whole lot of files I've been testing it on |
| 23:47:59 | preglow | hmm, mod wheel is vibrato, i think |
| 23:48:03 | preglow | have you implemented that? |
| 23:48:08 | stevenm | mod wheel ? |
| 23:48:19 | preglow | i'll take that as a no :P |
| 23:48:37 | stevenm | no.. is that the same as pitch wheel ? |
| 23:48:54 | preglow | well, on a midi keyboard, it is usually placed next to it |
| 23:49:46 | stevenm | ah... never owned any midi equipment at all :( |
| 23:49:58 | preglow | haven't got much myself |
| 23:50:05 | preglow | a midi keyboard and a sid station |
| 23:50:14 | stevenm | i never even used any either... other than a computer |
| 23:51:04 | stevenm | now, I don't suppose there are plans to interface a MIDI keyboard to the thing, and have it record ? |
| 23:51:06 | preglow | wish i could afford more synths to play with |
| 23:51:10 | preglow | i'm a certified synth freak |
| 23:51:43 | stevenm | that's good.. this stuff must not be new for you then |
| 23:51:49 | preglow | no, not really |
| 23:52:35 | preglow | i've done a lot of synth programming as well, so i'm quite familiar with it |
| 23:52:58 | stevenm | I'm about to resort to opening each and every intsrument file with this windows program, write down the env data and hard code it into the code.. or in a config file |
| 23:53:34 | preglow | can't you get any sense out of the timidity parser? |
| 23:54:05 | stevenm | I used their routines to convert the GUS encoded bytes into actual values |
| 23:54:16 | stevenm | the values themselves make little sense |
| 23:54:22 | preglow | great, then the rest should be easy |
| 23:54:29 | stevenm | oh... just you wait |
| 23:54:34 | preglow | :) |
| 23:54:36 | stevenm | comments such as this occur throughout the file : |
| 23:55:44 | stevenm | static int32 convert_envelope_offset(uint8 offset) |
| 23:55:44 | stevenm | { |
| 23:55:44 | stevenm | /* This is not too good... Can anyone tell me what these values mean? |
| 23:55:44 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK stevenm |
| 23:55:44 | stevenm | Are they GUS-style "exponential" volumes? And what does that mean? */ |
| 23:56:17 | stevenm | not too encouraging |
| 23:56:53 | stevenm | I took the converted rate values from 2 instruments and divided their release times by them, and in both cases, the ratio is 1.818 |
| 23:57:05 | stevenm | a third instrument, did the same thing.. not even CLOSE |
| 23:57:46 | stevenm | there is also the scale_freq and scale_factor parameter in the patchfile that no docs explain at all. |
| 23:58:11 | stevenm | there appears to be only one or two GUS docs floating around, all written by one person and just put in different format |
| 23:58:42 | preglow | haha |
icon identifies that the person is a core developer (has commit access).