| 00:00:13 | preglow | he was just here |
| 00:00:30 | stevenm | Also, in the linux 2.0 driver for gus, there is a comment somewhere that 255 = 100% for env offset |
| 00:00:34 | stevenm | here?? what IRC name |
| 00:01:32 | stevenm | ah I see |
| 00:01:35 | stevenm | where'd he go ? |
| 00:01:53 | preglow | offline, probably |
| 00:02:36 | stevenm | any idea on when he'll be back? |
| 00:02:39 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: for the record: the out-of-card panic does no good, better return an error code. The mounting tries some wild numbers, and so those attempts will just fail. |
| 00:03:10 | [IDC]Dragon | but this isn't the full solution, still got problems... |
| 00:03:47 | preglow | stevenm: none |
| 00:05:23 | stevenm | preglow, ah, all right.. I'm gonna get going, go study for ENEE exam. Really don't want to fail that |
| 00:06:07 | preglow | stevenm: do so |
| 00:06:16 | stevenm | Hopefully I be back later, and hopefully with the beginnings of a working pitchwheel implementation |
| 00:06:26 | stevenm | later, people |
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| 00:09:23 | [IDC]Dragon | 'night! |
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| 00:13:51 | HCl | mrf |
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| 00:15:52 | HCl | sup? |
| 00:22:13 | CoCoLUS | the last 10 seconds of the latest 24 episode are just... well... great :) |
| 00:22:14 | CoCoLUS | thats up |
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| 00:25:30 | Bagder | which is the latest then? ;-) |
| 00:28:59 | CoCoLUS | 12 |
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| 00:36:11 | HCl | episode of? |
| 00:36:42 | Bonkers | 24, heh |
| 00:37:02 | HCl | o.o; |
| 00:37:04 | HCl | whats 24? |
| 00:37:09 | Bagder | hehe |
| 00:37:12 | Bagder | a TV series |
| 00:37:21 | HCl | aha. |
| 00:37:30 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 00:37:30 | * | HCl slaps windows |
| 00:37:32 | HCl | whats it about? |
| 00:37:33 | CoCoLUS | you don't know 24 ? |
| 00:37:37 | HCl | no. |
| 00:37:46 | CoCoLUS | its sort of "realtime" |
| 00:37:59 | CoCoLUS | every episode depicts an hour of a day |
| 00:38:39 | CoCoLUS | in the last episode some terrorists unleashed a biovirus in la |
| 00:38:43 | CoCoLUS | ey, not episode, season |
| 00:38:57 | HCl | ah. |
| 00:38:58 | HCl | ok |
| 00:39:03 | * | HCl goes to watch bleach 22 now |
| 00:39:11 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 00:39:15 | CoCoLUS | in the season before it was an atomic bomb :P |
| 00:39:16 | HCl | crap |
| 00:39:20 | HCl | or i wanted to, at least. |
| 00:39:23 | Bagder | we get episode 23 of season 3 tomorrow |
| 00:39:33 | HCl | stupid wireless internet isn't fast enough... |
| 00:39:44 | CoCoLUS | yeah here in austria we're at season 3 too |
| 00:39:58 | * | preglow commences coding |
| 00:40:02 | CoCoLUS | but why watch that if you can watch the english version of s4 now? :) |
| 00:40:09 | * | HCl mrfs. |
| 00:40:20 | * | HCl guesses bleach will have to wait for tomorrow, goes back to play with his cat |
| 00:40:39 | CoCoLUS | eek :P |
| 00:40:55 | preglow | is there any other versions than the english version? |
| 00:41:53 | CoCoLUS | well there is the german dubbed one, for sure, i watched that |
| 00:41:58 | preglow | ahh |
| 00:42:00 | CoCoLUS | i guess there are other language dubs too? |
| 00:42:01 | Bagder | haha |
| 00:42:03 | preglow | germans are mad for allowing good shows to be dubbed |
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| 00:42:13 | preglow | germans are mad for allowing anything to be dubbed |
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| 00:42:19 | CoCoLUS | well |
| 00:42:26 | Bagder | the spanish, italians etc do it too |
| 00:42:33 | preglow | yes, i know, and they're all mad! |
| 00:42:37 | CoCoLUS | i think every country does it : ) |
| 00:42:40 | preglow | especially the spanish |
| 00:42:49 | Bagder | CoCoLUS: nope, not the scandinavian ones |
| 00:42:51 | preglow | CoCoLUS: only thing we dub in norway are childrens movies |
| 00:42:58 | CoCoLUS | interesting |
| 00:43:04 | preglow | and preferable |
| 00:43:43 | CoCoLUS | i guess it depends on what you are watching |
| 00:43:54 | CoCoLUS | if its some kind of dumb action movie, i don't care which language it is in |
| 00:43:54 | preglow | well, no, i don't think so, i always prefer getting things in the original language |
| 00:44:37 | preglow | i'd much rather watch a german movie in german, even though i can't understand the language all that well any more |
| 00:44:47 | preglow | s/any more// |
| 00:44:49 | CoCoLUS | yeah if you have the luxury of knowing the english language well enough to understand different types of slang, etc. |
| 00:45:12 | preglow | yes, i do, but i don't care what language it's in |
| 00:45:17 | preglow | as long as its subtitled, of course |
| 00:45:21 | CoCoLUS | not everyone is that good with english, look at me as an example ^^ |
| 00:45:37 | preglow | i watch chinese movies with chinese speech |
| 00:45:41 | HCl | woot. |
| 00:45:46 | HCl | i come back to bleach playing on my laptop |
| 00:45:51 | HCl | o.o |
| 00:45:56 | preglow | bleach is your cat? :P |
| 00:46:03 | HCl | no. bleach is a cool anime series |
| 00:46:04 | HCl | o..o |
| 00:46:12 | preglow | haha |
| 00:46:12 | HCl | i canceled it cause it was going to slow |
| 00:46:14 | HCl | but it seems to work |
| 00:46:22 | HCl | i needed to get a break from my flatmates |
| 00:46:26 | HCl | they're rather shallow, really. |
| 00:46:29 | HCl | it gets annoying o.o |
| 00:46:35 | CoCoLUS | i tried watching crouching tiger hidden dragon with chinese-mandarin speech |
| 00:46:46 | CoCoLUS | and that was rather... hard to follow :P |
| 00:46:48 | preglow | chinese sounds really cool |
| 00:46:59 | preglow | haha |
| 00:47:01 | preglow | subtitles does it |
| 00:47:05 | HCl | i don't like chinese.. i prefer japanese.. |
| 00:47:11 | preglow | japanese is cool as well |
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| 00:47:15 | preglow | but chinese has a nice sound to it |
| 00:47:16 | HCl | chinese has these harsh sounds |
| 00:47:25 | HCl | where japanese always sounds fluent |
| 00:47:29 | preglow | nah, some dialects flow really nicely |
| 00:47:46 | CoCoLUS | i somehow don't like subtitles |
| 00:48:04 | CoCoLUS | if its a good movie, i want to sink in it, feel it... thats not possible with subtitles, for me |
| 00:48:13 | preglow | if you're not used to it, no wonder |
| 00:48:16 | HCl | uh, ok o.o |
| 00:48:20 | preglow | don't have much of a choice in norway |
| 00:48:29 | CoCoLUS | come to austria :) |
| 00:48:38 | preglow | haha, i don't want dubbing |
| 00:48:47 | CoCoLUS | i think the last movie that didn't get some dubbing was "garden state" |
| 00:48:47 | preglow | if i have to watch a subbed movie, i'm really annoyed |
| 00:48:50 | CoCoLUS | which is a shame, really |
| 00:48:51 | preglow | it destroys the experience |
| 00:48:57 | CoCoLUS | subbed or dubbed? |
| 00:49:00 | preglow | dubbed |
| 00:49:03 | CoCoLUS | thought so |
| 00:49:04 | preglow | subs are nice |
| 00:49:14 | HCl | yea. |
| 00:49:22 | HCl | reminds me of germany... |
| 00:49:27 | HCl | dub freaks there x.x |
| 00:49:35 | HCl | they even dub james bond movies |
| 00:49:42 | HCl | sounds absolutely horrid |
| 00:49:50 | preglow | deed |
| 00:51:07 | CoCoLUS | it makes for some funny scenes, though, like the one in tomorrow never dies where bond takes the car from the airport |
| 00:51:27 | HCl | i wouldn't know, i never watch dubbed james bond |
| 00:51:29 | CoCoLUS | he speaks german there, in the english version too - in the dubbed version, it got replaced |
| 00:51:40 | CoCoLUS | with "correct" german |
| 00:51:46 | HCl | ofcourse, they have to match the voice |
| 00:52:22 | CoCoLUS | brosnan trying to speak german sounded nice ;) |
| 00:52:29 | HCl | heh |
| 00:55:46 | CoCoLUS | you know |
| 00:55:50 | CoCoLUS | i really, really hate those moments |
| 00:56:15 | CoCoLUS | where someone else places a higher bid than you at some ebay auction :) |
| 00:56:19 | HCl | heh |
| 00:56:24 | Bagder | sleeeep |
| 00:56:29 | CoCoLUS | sounds nice |
| 00:56:30 | HCl | coffeeee |
| 00:56:30 | HCl | code |
| 00:56:31 | HCl | o.o |
| 00:56:53 | CoCoLUS | mh... mando diao :) |
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| 01:05:15 | * | preglow rolls up sleeves and gets frisky with asm |
| 01:06:15 | HCl | gee. |
| 01:06:30 | * | HCl dislikes anime side-eps where they don't really continue with the story... |
| 01:06:37 | HCl | any progress on rockbox? |
| 01:07:50 | * | preglow dislikes anime generally |
| 01:08:47 | preglow | apart from cowboy bebop, which is the best thing since sliced bread |
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| 01:10:23 | HCl | i didn't like cowboy bebop much o.o |
| 01:10:38 | HCl | you've probably seen the wrong sort of anime |
| 01:10:58 | preglow | nah, i've seen quite a lot of it |
| 01:11:14 | preglow | there's much that's ok, very few things that are great |
| 01:11:18 | HCl | well, the "popular" anime tends to be sort of crappy anyways... |
| 01:11:19 | preglow | and much rubbish as well |
| 01:11:39 | preglow | everybody kept yelling about evangelion, which i think is complete shit |
| 01:11:58 | HCl | i don't really see whats special about evangelion.. |
| 01:12:02 | HCl | have you seen noir? |
| 01:12:05 | preglow | yeah |
| 01:12:09 | HCl | and? o.o |
| 01:12:11 | preglow | got a bit tedious, i think |
| 01:12:15 | HCl | tedious? |
| 01:12:19 | preglow | not much variation |
| 01:12:22 | preglow | i didn't see everything |
| 01:12:32 | HCl | heh o.o; |
| 01:12:38 | preglow | not the worst i've seen, though |
| 01:12:41 | HCl | well, nothing can be as bad as inuyasha |
| 01:12:42 | preglow | it falls in the ok category |
| 01:13:11 | preglow | there we agree |
| 01:13:25 | preglow | but no, heads on best anime series i've seen is bebop |
| 01:13:37 | preglow | especially since it's got incredible music |
| 01:13:42 | HCl | lol. o.o. |
| 01:13:58 | HCl | vandread is my favorite |
| 01:14:03 | preglow | never saw it |
| 01:14:11 | HCl | though mostly the first 13 eps |
| 01:14:17 | HCl | the second 13 get more crappy.. |
| 01:14:35 | preglow | does it have giant robots in it? |
| 01:14:35 | HCl | ah well |
| 01:14:40 | HCl | um. |
| 01:14:41 | preglow | 'cause i really hate giant robots... |
| 01:14:41 | preglow | heh |
| 01:14:49 | HCl | somewhat :P |
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| 01:15:08 | preglow | but here i go on chatting again, i need to code |
| 01:15:08 | HCl | its like, part 3d rendered and part animation |
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| 01:15:12 | HCl | its mostly spaceship stuff. |
| 01:15:13 | HCl | kay. |
| 01:15:14 | preglow | ahh |
| 01:15:19 | HCl | anyways, it looks really good. |
| 01:15:20 | preglow | i'm seeing a series that's like that rgiht now |
| 01:15:21 | preglow | last exile |
| 01:15:45 | preglow | okish as well |
| 01:15:57 | * | HCl has a whole to-watch list.. |
| 01:16:00 | HCl | anyways.. get to code.. |
| 01:16:08 | HCl | i'll try to find my cat again |
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| 01:17:47 | | Quit Nibbler (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 01:19:58 | asdsd | hey guys i have a simple question |
| 01:20:14 | preglow | shoot |
| 01:20:22 | asdsd | oh hey preglow hows it going |
| 01:20:26 | asdsd | i know u know ur stuff |
| 01:20:29 | asdsd | anyhow |
| 01:20:39 | preglow | haha, that remains to be seen |
| 01:20:46 | asdsd | are u guys gonna start working on the h3xx before the h1xx is 100 percent finished? |
| 01:21:18 | preglow | it's not very easy to say when something is completely finished when you haven't got a goal set |
| 01:21:30 | preglow | but it depends anyway |
| 01:21:39 | preglow | it might |
| 01:22:05 | preglow | depends on who and how many shows interest in doing some dirty work |
| 01:22:34 | asdsd | ah i see |
| 01:22:40 | asdsd | but what i mean is like |
| 01:22:47 | asdsd | were u guys ever working on two players at the same time? |
| 01:22:55 | asdsd | back in the days of the archos and stuff |
| 01:23:11 | preglow | dunno, i wasn't around then, but yes |
| 01:23:20 | preglow | most of rockbox itself doesn't depend on a particular player |
| 01:23:28 | preglow | just the low level stuff does that |
| 01:23:38 | asdsd | ah ok, so its very modular |
| 01:23:50 | preglow | and in the case of h3x0, i guess what needs porting is the lcd driver and some minor other stuff |
| 01:24:25 | asdsd | ah ok |
| 01:24:38 | preglow | so with any luck, it'll not be a big job |
| 01:25:09 | asdsd | i also remember, i don't know if it was u or not, but a guy here sent me the iriver_140 ida file |
| 01:25:40 | asdsd | is there like a Work-In-Progress one for h3xx? or if it needs to be done it has to be from scratch |
| 01:25:54 | preglow | none that i know of |
| 01:26:09 | HCl | as far as i know, no one has put much effort in h3xx aside from scanning the pcb |
| 01:26:16 | preglow | i can't even remember having seen a preliminary map of the h3x0 firmware |
| 01:26:47 | asdsd | scanning the pcb? |
| 01:26:55 | asdsd | u mean like identifying the parts? |
| 01:27:32 | HCl | yea |
| 01:27:41 | HCl | opening it up and scanning it under a scanner. |
| 01:27:58 | asdsd | lol oh hahaha |
| 01:28:11 | asdsd | hey HCl i think it was u that sent me that file |
| 01:28:15 | HCl | nope. |
| 01:28:29 | HCl | wasn't it badger? |
| 01:29:25 | asdsd | name doesn't ring a bell |
| 01:29:35 | HCl | mk |
| 01:29:42 | HCl | i mean, bagder |
| 01:29:44 | midk | that's me. |
| 01:31:21 | asdsd | hmm well s'not important |
| 01:34:18 | | Quit NibbIer (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) |
| 01:34:36 | asdsd | so what part of the h1xx are u guys currently working in? |
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| 01:37:15 | pike | so I noticed there was some progress - COOL |
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| 01:39:00 | Rick | asdsd: codecs methinks |
| 01:39:27 | asdsd | so adding support for all the codecs on the h1xx eh? |
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| 01:42:55 | * | HCl wants to take a look at mod playback.. |
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| 02:12:23 | * | DeadMan sighs |
| 02:12:30 | HCl | ? |
| 02:12:42 | DeadMan | audio playback seems a long way off |
| 02:12:55 | HCl | we're not really in a hurry |
| 02:13:46 | DeadMan | can't answer that without sounding selfish :) |
| 02:13:49 | DeadMan | heh |
| 02:14:33 | * | DeadMan »» np · Jóhann Jóhannsson - Englabörn (2002) 02 Englabörn - · 00:08/01:34 [¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦] · kbps (vbr) «« |
| 02:15:55 | * | HCl listens to Serial Experiments Lain - Duvet |
| 02:17:11 | * | DeadMan sits on #animereactor |
| 02:17:11 | ze | heh |
| 02:17:22 | DeadMan | nick MO-Pantsu |
| 02:17:27 | DeadMan | ;) |
| 02:17:46 | DeadMan | I have too much anime to watch |
| 02:17:48 | * | preglow The Orb - Valley |
| 02:18:26 | DeadMan | Orbus Terranum or somesuch |
| 02:18:30 | preglow | indeed |
| 02:18:30 | DeadMan | lol |
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| 02:18:51 | * | DeadMan has his head in a lot of buckets |
| 02:18:55 | | Quit Strath (Nick collision from services.) |
| 02:18:59 | | Nick StrathAFK is now known as Strath (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a252.wi.tds.net) |
| 02:19:03 | DeadMan | Too much time spent on the net does that |
| 02:19:09 | preglow | haha |
| 02:19:16 | preglow | i just plain listen to music all the time |
| 02:19:38 | DeadMan | I have a 300GB HD setup just for music |
| 02:20:09 | DeadMan | Hard Disks: (Total/Free: 308.28/173.86GB ¤ Total/Free space on: C: 74.53/20.63GB ¤ D: 231.74/153.22GB ¤ J: 2.01/0.01GB) |
| 02:20:09 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 02:20:09 | DeadMan | Network Drives: (Total/Free: 843.75/159.4GB ¤ Total/Free space on: T: 74.53/21.38GB ¤ U: 279.47/75GB ¤ V: 189.92/15GB ¤ W: 76.32/40.71GB ¤ Y: 111.76/2.7GB ¤ Z: 111.76/4.61GB) |
| 02:20:47 | * | HCl is glad his music collection fits on his h140 with 23gb to spare |
| 02:20:48 | DeadMan | U drive never shows 300GB though. Always feel cheated with hard disk space :) |
| 02:21:12 | HCl | manufacturers always do that. |
| 02:21:19 | DeadMan | I filled my H140 easy |
| 02:21:25 | preglow | haha |
| 02:21:26 | HCl | say that their definition of a gb is 1000*1000*1000 |
| 02:21:34 | preglow | i've haven't got 300 gigs, but i've got quite a lot |
| 02:21:38 | HCl | rather than 1024*1024*1024 |
| 02:21:59 | HCl | my biggest drive is 250gb, which is in my xbox |
| 02:22:05 | DeadMan | I have over 1TB of hard disks. It's getting out of hand. |
| 02:22:29 | HCl | get a dvd burner |
| 02:22:31 | DeadMan | a lot of anime on those drives too |
| 02:22:37 | DeadMan | I have one |
| 02:22:43 | HCl | then use it darnit! |
| 02:22:43 | * | preglow The Orb - A Huge Evergrowing Pulsating Brain That Rules From The Centre Of The Ultraword (Orbital Dance Mix) |
| 02:22:43 | HCl | :P |
| 02:22:48 | preglow | i think i'll go to bed |
| 02:22:58 | HCl | noo. |
| 02:23:04 | HCl | Come to the darkside |
| 02:23:06 | DeadMan | I do but I leave anime series on there because I a intend to watch them eventually lol |
| 02:23:07 | preglow | haha |
| 02:23:08 | HCl | We have cookies |
| 02:23:09 | HCl | o.o |
| 02:23:13 | preglow | i'm too tired to code properly |
| 02:23:17 | preglow | i just end up staring at the screen |
| 02:23:23 | HCl | xD |
| 02:23:24 | HCl | ok ok |
| 02:23:26 | HCl | to bed with you. |
| 02:23:27 | HCl | night |
| 02:23:41 | preglow | good night to you all |
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| 02:23:56 | DeadMan | this album is kinda relaxing. strings and electronica |
| 02:24:15 | * | HCl finds listening to duvet repeatedly soothing |
| 02:24:25 | DeadMan | Lain is a head fuck |
| 02:24:47 | HCl | you mean the series? |
| 02:24:50 | HCl | i like it... |
| 02:24:50 | DeadMan | yes |
| 02:24:57 | HCl | i have a big lain wallscroll in my room |
| 02:25:00 | HCl | its uber pretty |
| 02:25:03 | DeadMan | Knights of the Eastern Templar :) |
| 02:25:14 | HCl | http://titania.student.utwente.nl/IM000091.JPG |
| 02:25:21 | DeadMan | A mind grid operating on the earths frequency etc etc |
| 02:25:37 | DeadMan | lots of mad concepts in it |
| 02:25:50 | * | HCl shrugs. |
| 02:26:17 | * | DeadMan looks at his anime figures atop the TV set |
| 02:26:37 | DeadMan | I got the cute Asuka and Rei cat and monkey girl figures |
| 02:27:10 | DeadMan | Nemu-Chan in bikini from Da Capo is cute too. Plus my Popotan gashapon figures |
| 02:27:30 | HCl | lol o.o |
| 02:27:36 | HCl | you sound like an otaku.. hm..? |
| 02:27:40 | DeadMan | sorta |
| 02:27:45 | HCl | ah well. |
| 02:27:51 | HCl | i'm not entirely free of blame either |
| 02:28:02 | DeadMan | Popotan is a fanservice anime. Lots of boob and panty shots etc |
| 02:28:06 | HCl | owning a shelf in my cabinet dedicated to manga drawing books, manga.. and sake.. |
| 02:28:25 | HCl | i don't really like the perverted stuff. |
| 02:28:26 | DeadMan | I have no manga whatsoever :( |
| 02:28:30 | HCl | its shallow.. |
| 02:28:32 | DeadMan | only scanned stuff |
| 02:28:43 | HCl | i used to have none |
| 02:28:46 | DeadMan | Like Love Hina dn Chobits etc |
| 02:28:47 | HCl | then i went to an anime con |
| 02:28:52 | HCl | and i spent 130 euro on manga |
| 02:28:55 | HCl | and then i was broke |
| 02:28:57 | HCl | *nodsnods* |
| 02:28:58 | DeadMan | lol |
| 02:29:28 | DeadMan | I really need to catchup on some manga series. I want to read Full Metal Alchemist as I hear it took a different direction from the anime |
| 02:30:07 | HCl | i wanted vandread manga, but apparently, it doesn't exist.. |
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| 02:30:33 | DeadMan | The anime rocked up until about half way through when they splintered off from the anime as the anime had not written that far into the story by then |
| 02:30:52 | DeadMan | I mean the manga rather |
| 02:30:57 | DeadMan | had not...oh you know what I mean |
| 02:31:24 | DeadMan | basically the manga is meant to be better |
| 02:31:32 | HCl | mm |
| 02:31:42 | HCl | they're almost always more detailed story wise |
| 02:31:44 | HCl | anyways. |
| 02:31:47 | HCl | its 2:30 am |
| 02:31:50 | HCl | and i should go sleep |
| 02:31:55 | HCl | night.. |
| 02:31:59 | DeadMan | nn |
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| 06:17:56 | Rick | hmm |
| 06:18:17 | Rick | my donation is still unaccepted |
| 06:18:19 | Rick | :o |
| 06:19:35 | Rick | hmmmm |
| 06:19:44 | Rick | how are the feature requests sorted? |
| 06:19:48 | Rick | on the rockbox page |
| 06:19:51 | Rick | (not sourceforge) |
| 06:20:15 | Rick | hmm, priority, then id, I think |
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| 07:45:25 | * | LinusN gets a cup of coffee |
| 07:47:49 | Acoc | hey guys, quick request- Could you make the makedb executable not to look in the recycling bin when making it's database |
| 07:49:40 | amiconn | morning LinusN and all |
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| 07:59:00 | Acoc | well I'm hitting the hay, but please understand that I am very impressed with the work on the id3 database and hope you will take my suggestion into consideration |
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| 07:59:24 | LinusN | Acoc: what's the recycling bin called? |
| 07:59:25 | LinusN | jflksgf |
| 07:59:56 | LinusN | "RECYCLER"? |
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| 08:05:08 | amiconn | LinusN: Yes, it's 'RECYCLER' |
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| 08:05:40 | LinusN | funny, an article on the web said it was "RECYCLED"... |
| 08:06:01 | amiconn | Maybe it differs between windows versions |
| 08:06:10 | LinusN | let's just hope that there isn't a band called Recycled |
| 08:06:27 | Patr3ck | There is another "windows" system directory called "System Volume Information", but I think there are no audio files stored there |
| 08:06:29 | amiconn | For WinXP, it would also be a good idea to leave out 'System Volume Information' as well (in case someone doesn't disable system file protection on this drive) |
| 08:06:52 | amiconn | The easiest solution would probably be to leave out 'hidden' directories |
| 08:06:57 | LinusN | those dirs have a special "system" flag, don't they? |
| 08:08:10 | Patr3ck | not sure it only shows hidden under attributes |
| 08:08:22 | Patr3ck | windows explorer shows... |
| 08:08:26 | csk | Windows XP likes to create "System Volume Information" shortly after you write to the disk |
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| 08:08:50 | csk | even when system restore is turned off, I get SVI directories after deleting files... |
| 08:09:00 | amiconn | csk: You can disable system file protection for that drive, then it's not created |
| 08:09:28 | amiconn | LinusN: Both 'RECYCLER' and 'System Volume Information' have the 'hidden' and the 'system' flag set |
| 08:11:46 | csk | amiconn: i'll see check that it really is disabled, though i keep system restore disabled on all drives as a matter of policy |
| 08:12:01 | csk | sacrificial machine, restore doesn't win me anything |
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| 08:57:04 | ceebmoj | hi all |
| 08:57:29 | Bagder | morning |
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| 09:17:18 | LinusN | Bagder: using "gcc" in makesrc.inc breaks on freebsd |
| 09:17:38 | Bagder | haha |
| 09:17:58 | LinusN | $(CC) should be possible now, right? |
| 09:18:00 | Bagder | well, with my new win32 compiler, we can switch back to $(CC) |
| 09:18:03 | Bagder | yes |
| 09:18:05 | LinusN | great |
| 09:18:32 | LinusN | is the sim executable with the new cross-win32 compiler? |
| 09:18:40 | Bagder | I don't know |
| 09:18:56 | Bagder | I can't test ;-) |
| 09:20:07 | Bagder | the list of bug reports is now refreshingly short! |
| 09:20:09 | Bagder | B-] |
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| 09:21:37 | amiconn | Bagder: Is the win32 sim build downloadable somewhere? |
| 09:21:51 | Bagder | hang on |
| 09:23:36 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/auto/build-recordersimwin32/rockboxui |
| 09:24:00 | Bagder | I don't know why, but there's no rockbox.zip in there... |
| 09:24:21 | dwihno | How hard is it to build a win32-cross compiler? |
| 09:24:50 | Bagder | dwihno: I found pre-built Debian packages... ;-) |
| 09:25:03 | LinusN | thank god for that :-) |
| 09:25:08 | Bagder | took me 10 seconds to install |
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| 09:28:55 | dwihno | If I don't know how to catch my own fish, I'll starve to death the day the fishermen go on strike :( |
| 09:29:05 | dwihno | ^ weird analogy ;) |
| 09:29:21 | Bagder | hehe |
| 09:30:09 | Bagder | http://dev.panopticsearch.com/cross-compile.html |
| 09:31:13 | Bagder | dwihno: you could consider buying a book about fishing and keep that in a secret stash until they very day they start striking - to continue the metaphores |
| 09:32:28 | dwihno | :) |
| 09:35:11 | LinusN | how did that discussion start? :-) |
| 09:35:55 | Bagder | I think dwihno longs for fish? ;-P |
| 09:36:10 | LinusN | common swedish problem |
| 09:36:26 | LinusN | fish craving |
| 09:36:37 | * | Bagder giggles |
| 09:37:22 | dwihno | I had fiskbullar yesterday :) |
| 09:38:42 | * | Bagder looks at .gnu.linkonce.this_module and scratches his head |
| 09:41:20 | Bagder | hm new stuff in 2.6 it is |
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| 10:04:54 | [Tomas] | hi |
| 10:07:46 | LinusN | hi |
| 10:12:11 | Rick | hi |
| 10:12:11 | Rick | ;P |
| 10:12:17 | [Tomas] | :) |
| 10:12:26 | [Tomas] | intresting news in the last few days? |
| 10:12:40 | * | [Tomas] was a little to busy... working... |
| 10:13:05 | Rick | not really |
| 10:14:08 | * | LinusN has too little time for rockbox these days |
| 10:14:14 | Rick | LinusN: howcome? |
| 10:14:31 | LinusN | work, Real Life(tm) |
| 10:14:36 | Rick | tru |
| 10:14:38 | Rick | +e |
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| 11:48:44 | tomcore | hi |
| 11:50:50 | tomcore | can someone build me this new firmware for iriver h1xx so i can use it? i have no machine here where i can compile it on my own |
| 11:52:22 | ashridah | it's not really much use unless you're developing atm |
| 11:52:42 | ashridah | it can't play music yet, and many of the features haven't been completely modified to work on the iriver |
| 11:53:14 | tomcore | hmm iknow .. i just wanted to try out if it really works ;) |
| 11:54:32 | ashridah | well, that's my point. it doesn't. that said, if you can get someone to provide you a safe, known working, ihp_120.hex, there should be nightly builds of rockbox for the iriver on the rockbox.org site |
| 11:56:25 | tomcore | ah okay understood ... so when you think would it be releaseable ? |
| 11:56:36 | ashridah | hard to say |
| 11:56:45 | ashridah | progress depends entirely on how much free time people have |
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| 11:59:46 | tomcore | yes, your right.. so if i can help in any case, please let me know ;) im a developer, but only web and windows languages |
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| 12:00:41 | ashridah | "windows" languages? |
| 12:00:59 | ashridah | you can get a build environment that'll let you build rockbox on windows you know |
| 12:01:01 | tomcore | vb ;) |
| 12:01:21 | tomcore | how? |
| 12:01:23 | tomcore | where? :) |
| 12:01:26 | ashridah | cygwin. |
| 12:01:43 | tomcore | ah, thanks |
| 12:01:51 | ashridah | install a cygwin environment and include gcc with it. then download the cvs source to binutils and a very recent gcc source, and compile it. |
| 12:01:56 | ashridah | it's not exactly non-trival |
| 12:02:05 | ashridah | s/non-trivial/trivial/ |
| 12:02:16 | ashridah | i really should avoid double negatives :) |
| 12:02:29 | jyp | ... not exactly not non-trival |
| 12:02:30 | jyp | ;) |
| 12:02:38 | tomcore | but when you say it has no sense yes .. i will maybe wait ;) |
| 12:02:45 | ashridah | if you don't have a good handle on unix-based development, cygwin won't seem obvious to use |
| 12:02:46 | tomcore | heeh |
| 12:02:55 | tomcore | yes?yet |
| 12:03:46 | tomcore | hmm i am a little unix expirenced, but not very much |
| 12:03:56 | tomcore | i'll give it a try |
| 12:04:47 | ashridah | okay, well, basically, cygwin lets you download a unix-alike shell environment for windows machines. you can get all sorts of unix utilities to go with it, including gcc, wjhich you can use to build a version of gcc and binutils that supports compilation for the m68k target that can be used to build rockbox |
| 12:07:33 | tomcore | okay .. ill try that later ;) |
| 12:18:20 | Lynx_ | ashridah: isn't all that the stuff you don't have to do when you use bluechips prebuilt dev enviroment? |
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| 12:31:42 | * | [Tomas] is back |
| 12:32:36 | [Tomas] | I have a little question regarding iRiver hardware... |
| 12:32:42 | [Tomas] | Maybe somebody knows... |
| 12:32:58 | [Tomas] | Is it possible to use the cpu for some sound effects after decoding? |
| 12:33:45 | [Tomas] | So when a codec is fast enough to get 200%, is it possible to use the left over cpu power to do some extra sound effects? (like a compressor (the audio one, not data compression)) |
| 12:34:13 | dwihno | depending on how cpu intensive it is, adding filters is possible |
| 12:34:19 | dwihno | (will be) |
| 12:34:31 | dwihno | unless the core team decides it's not a needed feature |
| 12:34:32 | [Tomas] | ok... and how should I implement it? |
| 12:34:46 | [Tomas] | like DSP plugins for winamp? |
| 12:34:54 | [Tomas] | or is there an other interface? |
| 12:35:18 | dwihno | there is no interface yet |
| 12:35:30 | [Tomas] | oh ok |
| 12:35:46 | dwihno | I suggest you wait for the audio support, code something, show it, and then you'll see :) |
| 12:36:25 | ashridah | Lynx_: i have no idea |
| 12:36:51 | ashridah | dwihno: i'd assume memory bandwidth could be an issue too |
| 12:37:16 | dwihno | ashridah: ah, true |
| 12:37:21 | [Tomas] | hm.. |
| 12:37:39 | dwihno | ashridah: in theory, everything is possible until the opposite is proven :) |
| 12:37:48 | [Tomas] | And there were some things to watch when porting to m68k? |
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| 12:37:57 | [Tomas] | I heard you can't use floats? |
| 12:38:04 | dwihno | yay, this was a GOOD chicken sallad |
| 12:38:09 | [Tomas] | and only C is allowed for rockbox? No c++? |
| 12:38:11 | dwihno | the units don't have a CPU |
| 12:38:19 | dwihno | no c++ |
| 12:38:23 | dwihno | FPU, I mean |
| 12:38:27 | [Tomas] | lol |
| 12:38:31 | dwihno | No CPU ;) |
| 12:38:44 | [Tomas] | I was looking at my screen... In a way of *what the hell??* |
| 12:39:00 | [Tomas] | so no floats allowed... only int and double? |
| 12:39:08 | [Tomas] | or double is wrong too? |
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| 12:40:16 | ashridah | [Tomas]: double's a longer float |
| 12:40:32 | [Tomas] | yeah, but the , isn't floating on some unix types? |
| 12:40:34 | ashridah | well. 'more precise' depending |
| 12:40:57 | ashridah | the what isn't floating on some unix types? |
| 12:41:06 | [Tomas] | eh in english . |
| 12:41:10 | [Tomas] | in european system , |
| 12:41:39 | ashridah | i'm not sure i understand what you're trying to ask |
| 12:42:34 | [Tomas] | well... afaik there was a type wich can hold numbers like 4,25 (like 4 1/4) and did that by having a fixed split point? so 4 bits before and 4 bits after the , |
| 12:42:47 | [Tomas] | can iRiver do that too? |
| 12:43:26 | ashridah | of course. |
| 12:43:49 | ashridah | but those kinds of things aren't driven by features of the cpu, beyond the normal instruction set |
| 12:44:15 | [Tomas] | ok, so I can convert floats to that? (If someone can tell me what the type was called) |
| 12:44:27 | ashridah | not perfectly no |
| 12:44:33 | ashridah | since floats are much more precise |
| 12:44:48 | dwihno | whatever floats your boat? :) |
| 12:44:57 | ashridah | it's not a type, per se |
| 12:45:14 | ashridah | it's just a method for dealing with floating point numbers in a developer-defined way |
| 12:45:31 | ashridah | but storing the actual data in standard int data types |
| 12:45:43 | ashridah | afaik it's not built into the c language |
| 12:45:56 | [Tomas] | ok, then it was implemented in a header or something of the program we used there... |
| 12:45:58 | ashridah | which is where it'd be defined, not as a part of unix, which doesn't CARE what language it uses, more or less |
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| 12:47:15 | ashridah | that's entirely possible |
| 12:47:31 | ashridah | to make it easy to deal with, you'd probably develop macros to do it in a predefine and relatively fast way |
| 12:47:47 | ashridah | and functions and whatnot |
| 12:47:48 | [Tomas] | yeah, I thinks that's what they used there |
| 12:47:58 | [Tomas] | -s |
| 12:47:59 | ashridah | okay, that's not a unix thing |
| 12:48:35 | [Tomas] | so do something like this: int a = 3 / 4; int b = 3 % 4 |
| 12:48:41 | [Tomas] | and i would have a number a,b |
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| 12:49:44 | ashridah | that's just the modulus operator |
| 12:49:53 | ashridah | that gives you the remainder |
| 12:50:23 | [Tomas] | yeah, that's what I want isn't it? |
| 12:50:35 | [Tomas] | oh wait... |
| 12:50:49 | [Tomas] | int a = 3 / 4; int b = 1000 * (3 % 4) |
| 12:50:54 | [Tomas] | a would be 0 |
| 12:50:57 | [Tomas] | and b = 750 |
| 12:51:12 | [Tomas] | a,b = 0,750 and that's what i wanted... |
| 12:51:55 | [Tomas] | and for more precision you should rais the 1000 to 1000000 or something.. |
| 12:52:02 | [Tomas] | *raise |
| 12:54:10 | ashridah | that's one method, sure. |
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| 13:19:02 | HCl | mrf |
| 13:19:03 | HCl | hello |
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| 13:37:32 | mirak | hi |
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| 13:45:47 | [Tomas] | netsplit? |
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| 13:46:33 | ashridah | yeah |
| 13:50:30 | [Tomas] | another question... haven't tried it... Is it possible to use a plugin (like a game) while playing (mp3) audio? |
| 13:51:03 | [Tomas] | Or if it isn't on archos, will it possibly be possible on iRiver? |
| 13:51:20 | Bagder | it is possible, yes |
| 13:51:30 | Bagder | it is the normal behavior |
| 13:52:10 | [Tomas] | Cool, so play something like rockboy and listen to music the same time? |
| 13:52:39 | LinusN | rockboy might be the exception |
| 13:53:03 | [Tomas] | yeah, I guess it's kind of cpu intensive? |
| 13:53:07 | LinusN | yeah |
| 13:53:23 | LinusN | besides, rockbox will emulate the gameboy sound as well |
| 13:53:35 | [Tomas] | oh... I hate the gameboy music... |
| 13:53:41 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:54:23 | [Tomas] | But how optimized is rockboy? |
| 13:57:53 | ashridah | not enough yet |
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| 13:58:58 | ashridah | and it's unlikely to progress to the point where it can work sufficiently quickly and not use too much memory that decoding other audio streams won't be affected |
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| 14:51:25 | IDCDragon | hi out there |
| 14:51:45 | preglow | yo |
| 14:51:59 | IDCDragon | amiconn: do you read? |
| 14:52:47 | IDCDragon | I'm "reporting" live from CeBIT |
| 14:53:05 | Schnueff_ | at a rockbox booth? :) |
| 14:53:11 | IDCDragon | haha |
| 14:53:38 | IDCDragon | but I went around with 5 guys from Archos |
| 14:53:56 | Bagder | :-) |
| 14:54:05 | IDCDragon | to the Micronas booth, for example |
| 14:54:26 | IDCDragon | getting things moving for the wav codec |
| 14:54:37 | IDCDragon | looks pretty good now |
| 14:54:42 | Bagder | way to go! |
| 14:55:12 | IDCDragon | I'm at a public terminal now |
| 14:56:31 | IDCDragon | maybe I'll check by later |
| 14:56:47 | IDCDragon | cu |
| 14:57:05 | IDCDragon | ah, one more: |
| 14:57:17 | IDCDragon | I've been at iriver, too |
| 14:57:38 | Bagder | learned anything cool? |
| 14:57:41 | IDCDragon | they're not showing the iHP1x0 any more |
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| 14:57:46 | Bagder | hehe |
| 14:57:58 | IDCDragon | only the 3x0 is still in the flyer |
| 14:58:13 | IDCDragon | and on display |
| 14:58:41 | IDCDragon | besides that, plenty of player devices everywhere |
| 14:58:55 | Bagder | I figure |
| 14:58:58 | IDCDragon | from perhaps 100 far east companies |
| 14:58:59 | Bagder | there are many brands these days |
| 14:59:10 | IDCDragon | many with video, too |
| 14:59:40 | IDCDragon | I was close to ask around for "openess" |
| 14:59:56 | IDCDragon | but the sales guys most likely have no clue |
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| 15:00:07 | Bagder | so you didn't see any that advertised openness? |
| 15:00:29 | IDCDragon | did anybody ever? |
| 15:00:33 | preglow | well, they're not very likely to show discontinued devices |
| 15:00:34 | Bagder | only neuros |
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| 15:00:46 | IDCDragon | the bigger iriver runs linux |
| 15:00:51 | preglow | pmp? |
| 15:01:03 | IDCDragon | something like that |
| 15:01:07 | preglow | the one that shows xvids and stuff? |
| 15:01:09 | IDCDragon | but it's big |
| 15:01:39 | IDCDragon | it's not open to own applications |
| 15:01:46 | preglow | not surprised |
| 15:01:56 | IDCDragon | the Archos 500 does, and looks a lot better |
| 15:02:32 | IDCDragon | I guess neuros is not here |
| 15:03:48 | pike | any Swedes around ? |
| 15:03:53 | Bagder | pike: yes |
| 15:03:57 | pike | http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/it/story/0,2789,615494,00.html |
| 15:04:04 | pike | http://isp.bahnhof.se/nyheter/Bahnhof_pressmeddelande.pdf |
| 15:04:09 | pike | omfg.. gestapo |
| 15:04:23 | Bagder | indeed |
| 15:04:24 | IDCDragon | not me ;-) |
| 15:04:36 | IDCDragon | c u later |
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| 15:05:01 | pike | do this to your own isp... |
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| 16:15:10 | HCl | gah. |
| 16:15:13 | HCl | anyone around? |
| 16:15:23 | webguest93 | yes |
| 16:15:30 | HCl | i'm in need of a linux 2.6 kernel with builtin xfs support for either generic x86 or amd |
| 16:15:46 | webguest93 | :| |
| 16:16:33 | Bagder | HCl: so build one, it is fairly easy |
| 16:16:50 | HCl | Bagder: i'm on windows. |
| 16:16:53 | HCl | thats the whole point. |
| 16:16:59 | HCl | i can't access my linux system. |
| 16:17:01 | Bagder | ouch |
| 16:17:05 | dwihno | I'm on caffeine - seems like you're hooked on the bad stuff ;) |
| 16:17:13 | HCl | i need to use colinux to access it |
| 16:17:20 | HCl | but colinux doesn't support xfs by default -.-;; |
| 16:17:41 | webguest93 | Sp, what do you people do ? |
| 16:17:50 | webguest93 | DO you build the firmware ? |
| 16:18:21 | Bagder | yes we do |
| 16:18:33 | webguest93 | Lovely Jubly |
| 16:18:57 | webguest93 | Hows the sound coming along on the Iriver ? |
| 16:19:08 | Bagder | slow |
| 16:19:33 | webguest93 | Brew it slowly like grolsh, no need for a rush |
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| 16:22:16 | webguest93 | Ok im off |
| 16:22:25 | webguest93 | Keep doin what your doin, i like it |
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| 16:31:44 | * | HCl suddenly realizes he has a linux server. |
| 16:31:49 | HCl | i'm not quite awake.. yet.. obviously. |
| 16:32:15 | Terminal-Velocit | http://www.plsthx.com/disp.php?type=p&id=108 a coder's dream... |
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| 16:33:25 | preglow | don't do that, makes me want to brew my own again |
| 16:34:24 | HCl | heh |
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| 16:38:39 | Terminal-Velocit | when you quited i thought you were going to brew your own beer:P |
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| 16:40:35 | preglow | haha |
| 16:40:46 | preglow | i probably would try, if i had the space for it |
| 16:41:16 | preglow | i'm a certified beer fanatic |
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| 16:43:07 | Twz | www.otomotivshow.com WEBSITE HOSTING RESELLER |
| 16:43:11 | bobTHC | preglow if u are a beer fna u know that http://www.virtualbartender.beer.com/beer_usa.htm |
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| 16:43:20 | bobTHC | ouch |
| 16:44:54 | preglow | haven't got flash in linux, it seems |
| 16:44:55 | preglow | argh |
| 16:46:19 | bobTHC | :( |
| 16:47:06 | bobTHC | really funny, u give orders to a virtual beer barmaid |
| 16:48:02 | preglow | working on it now |
| 16:48:30 | bobTHC | :p |
| 16:53:12 | preglow | bah, of course, macromedia hasn't ported it to amd64 yet |
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| 16:54:01 | HCl | god. |
| 16:54:07 | HCl | linux can be so utterly crappy to set up right |
| 16:54:29 | Tomas2 | ghehe |
| 16:54:38 | HCl | i give up. |
| 16:54:39 | Tomas2 | That's a user error... not a system error :P |
| 16:54:42 | preglow | on what? |
| 16:54:46 | Tomas2 | Need help? |
| 16:54:53 | HCl | preglow: trying to get colinux to access my xfs linux filesystem |
| 16:55:00 | HCl | in order to recompile the kernel and re-run lilo |
| 16:55:22 | HCl | because turning on the riva framebuffer made it not accept any keyboard input anymore |
| 16:55:29 | preglow | ahah |
| 16:55:29 | HCl | and now i can't access it |
| 16:55:38 | Terminal-Velocit | lilo? this is 2005 |
| 16:55:43 | HCl | yes, grub is shit. |
| 16:55:51 | HCl | i haven't had it work properly once :/ |
| 16:55:55 | Tomas2 | Terminal-Velocit: you should use lilo just once :P |
| 16:55:56 | HCl | where lilo *always* works fine |
| 16:55:58 | Tomas2 | never reboot linux... |
| 16:56:34 | dwihno | always keep a backup kernel in your lilo.conf |
| 16:56:39 | Tomas2 | HCl: what distro is on the xfs filesystem? |
| 16:56:40 | Terminal-Velocit | mayve there is parameter to turn FB off so you can boot? |
| 16:56:49 | HCl | dwihno: yea, i used to do that. i was lazy this time. |
| 16:56:58 | Terminal-Velocit | s/parameter/a parameter/ |
| 16:56:59 | HCl | i didn't think enabling framebuffer console would render it useless |
| 16:57:07 | HCl | let alone think that its impossible to turn it off |
| 16:57:13 | HCl | Terminal-Velocit: nope. |
| 16:57:17 | Terminal-Velocit | well yeah it does if you use any driver except the VESA one:P |
| 16:57:19 | HCl | Tomas2: debian/ubuntu mix |
| 16:57:33 | Tomas2 | still have the installation floppy's/cd's > |
| 16:57:44 | dwihno | btw, rockboy was really nice on my recorder-20! |
| 16:57:45 | Tomas2 | you can boot from them... |
| 16:57:58 | Tomas2 | and get into rescue mode |
| 16:58:22 | Tomas2 | then just install a standard kernel from a deb file |
| 16:58:30 | Tomas2 | and run lilo.. |
| 16:58:47 | Tomas2 | and from that one rebuild your original without the framebuffer enabled.. |
| 16:59:29 | HCl | i don't have an install cd at the moment. |
| 16:59:32 | HCl | thats why i was trying colinux |
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| 17:02:29 | Tomas2 | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ |
| 17:02:46 | Tomas2 | (you are dutch too right? otherwise change the nl..) |
| 17:03:05 | Tomas2 | you need rescue.bin and maybe root.bin |
| 17:03:54 | Tomas2 | and at the bootprompt type this: rescue root=/dev/hdaX 3 |
| 17:04:06 | Tomas2 | where X is a partition... and 3 is the runlevel it should boot to |
| 17:06:10 | mirak | HCl: you use qemu to acces it |
| 17:06:19 | mirak | HCl: you can use |
| 17:06:59 | HCl | whats qemu? |
| 17:07:10 | Tomas2 | "QEMU is a generic and open source processor emulator which achieves a good emulation speed by using dynamic translation." |
| 17:07:22 | Tomas2 | I was thinking the same question ;) |
| 17:08:16 | HCl | eh. |
| 17:08:25 | HCl | colinux seems much better than something vmware like. |
| 17:08:29 | HCl | i just need a working kernel. |
| 17:08:33 | HCl | but i'm tired of it. |
| 17:08:44 | Tomas2 | yeah, and the floppy's I linked have a debian kernel ;) |
| 17:08:46 | HCl | linux is crap to set up. its only nice once it works properly |
| 17:08:54 | HCl | do they have xfs? |
| 17:09:04 | HCl | cause a kernel is no use to me without xfs |
| 17:09:13 | HCl | i might even have to have a special colinux kernel |
| 17:09:27 | Tomas2 | not sure of xfs... is debian supporting it? |
| 17:09:33 | HCl | i don't know? |
| 17:09:35 | HCl | its a kernel feature |
| 17:09:40 | HCl | i don't use stock kernels |
| 17:10:21 | Tomas2 | well... download the drivers disks with it |
| 17:10:21 | geoff_o | Debian probably supports xfs as a module.. |
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| 17:10:30 | Tomas2 | then you can load the module from a driver disk |
| 17:10:33 | HCl | tomas, that won't work. |
| 17:10:36 | HCl | i need a filesystem |
| 17:10:39 | HCl | in order to load modules. |
| 17:10:40 | geoff_o | HCl: are you just looking for a Live-Linux distribution that supports XFS? |
| 17:10:41 | HCl | i don't have a filesystem. |
| 17:10:45 | HCl | cause my filesystem is xfs |
| 17:10:50 | geoff_o | That could pose a challange. |
| 17:10:50 | Tomas2 | no, boot from the floppy's |
| 17:10:54 | Tomas2 | then load module from floppy's |
| 17:10:56 | HCl | geoff_o: no, a colinux kernel |
| 17:10:59 | HCl | i don't have a floppy |
| 17:11:01 | HCl | nor a floppydrive |
| 17:11:02 | Tomas2 | and then mount your real filesystem |
| 17:11:04 | Tomas2 | lol |
| 17:11:07 | Tomas2 | then write it to a cd? |
| 17:11:11 | Tomas2 | there is also a cd image.. |
| 17:11:17 | HCl | i don't have writable cds nere, otherwise i could burn knoppic |
| 17:11:18 | geoff_o | Ok.. I'm missing something.. what's colinux? (User-mode linux?) |
| 17:11:18 | HCl | knoppix |
| 17:11:22 | HCl | i have limited resources |
| 17:11:24 | HCl | www.colinux.org |
| 17:11:28 | HCl | cooperative linux |
| 17:11:46 | geoff_o | What OS[s] are you running right now? |
| 17:11:50 | HCl | windows. |
| 17:11:54 | HCl | if i had linux i wouldn't have a problem |
| 17:11:55 | Tomas2 | here |
| 17:11:55 | Tomas2 | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 17:11:56 | HCl | obviously |
| 17:11:59 | Tomas2 | there is a cd image |
| 17:12:05 | HCl | i don't have a writable cd. |
| 17:12:07 | HCl | like i said earlier. |
| 17:12:15 | HCl | i have all those things at home |
| 17:12:15 | Tomas2 | hm... then you have a problem |
| 17:12:16 | HCl | but not here. |
| 17:12:21 | HCl | thats why i need to use colinux. |
| 17:12:28 | geoff_o | Which Windows? (NT-based or Dos-Based?) |
| 17:12:32 | HCl | xp. |
| 17:12:40 | HCl | it doesn't matter whether its dos based or not.. |
| 17:13:04 | HCl | i'm gonna try colinux with its provided rootfs, see if i can start that then mount xfs |
| 17:13:06 | preglow | HCl: you don't have a disk drive or writable cd's? you're asking for it |
| 17:13:14 | HCl | preglow: i'm visiting somebody! |
| 17:13:15 | geoff_o | "DOS isn't an operating system, but it makes an adaquate boot loader" |
| 17:13:20 | HCl | how can you expect me to take writable cds everywhere i go |
| 17:13:32 | preglow | i do expect you to carry around knoppix :P |
| 17:14:05 | HCl | at least colinux is at least semi-userfriendly |
| 17:14:11 | HCl | downloading a colinux rootfs.... |
| 17:14:23 | HCl | rather inefficient, but it should do. blergh. |
| 17:15:08 | geoff_o | Or at least "damn small linux".. it fits in your wallet for ****'s sake! |
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| 17:16:20 | HCl | usb pen or something? |
| 17:16:30 | preglow | tf |
| 17:16:32 | preglow | new firmware |
| 17:17:07 | preglow | still no gapless, surprise, surprise |
| 17:17:39 | * | geoff_o has been starting flamewars with total strangers since 1979. The first challenge was inventing the Internets. |
| 17:24:06 | Tomas2 | new firmware for what? |
| 17:24:10 | Tomas2 | archos? |
| 17:24:53 | preglow | h1290 |
| 17:24:54 | preglow | h120 <- |
| 17:25:46 | XShocK | where is that new firmware? i see only 1.63 |
| 17:25:49 | Tomas2 | yeah |
| 17:25:51 | Tomas2 | me too |
| 17:27:21 | preglow | misticriver |
| 17:28:57 | Tomas2 | oh I see... |
| 17:29:19 | pike | only korean so far? |
| 17:29:34 | HCl | whats new? |
| 17:29:46 | Tomas2 | Firmware v1.65 that enhances the H100 series' recording function is released. |
| 17:30:02 | Tomas2 | they only say something about the recording function... |
| 17:30:05 | pike | seems to only be fixes for recording to bring it upto par with h3xx series |
| 17:30:34 | HCl | fm recording? |
| 17:30:42 | Tomas2 | http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?t=15497 |
| 17:30:48 | Tomas2 | there is a list |
| 17:30:48 | pike | no fm rec |
| 17:31:00 | pike | I'll wait for rockbox |
| 17:31:06 | HCl | yup. |
| 17:31:15 | HCl | i don't care how crappy fm recording will sound |
| 17:31:30 | HCl | if its possible in hardware, we should make it possible |
| 17:32:46 | webmind | if it's possible it should be done ? |
| 17:33:01 | HCl | as regards to fm recording, yes o.o |
| 17:34:30 | Lynx_ | geoff_o: how do i get 'damn small linux' on an usb stick? :) |
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| 17:38:08 | HCl | igh. |
| 17:38:15 | HCl | colinux works, but cause of the virtual devices, lilo won't run |
| 17:38:20 | geoff_o | I don't know.. I usually just burn it on those mini-cds |
| 17:38:31 | geoff_o | (The business-card sized ones.) |
| 17:39:34 | Tomas2 | ghehe... I had knoppix and winPE on my iRiver for a long time... |
| 17:39:42 | Tomas2 | until I got a bigger usb stick.. |
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| 17:41:07 | Lynx_ | hmm, i just can't figure out how to get the image onto a usb stick under windows...rawrite won't work with that |
| 17:42:11 | Lynx_ | Tomas2: winPE boots off a usb harddisk? |
| 17:42:28 | Tomas2 | yes, everythings boot's of a usb harddisk if you enable emulation |
| 17:42:30 | geoff_o | You mean so it boots? You need some help from BIOS.. which is why it's easier to use a CD-ROM. I found knoppix + usb stick to be a pretty good tag-team. |
| 17:43:19 | Tomas2 | yeah, but in my office we have 300 to 400 the same pc's... |
| 17:43:22 | Lynx_ | but booting off usb is much cooler ;). And i always wanted to try that with my new pc... |
| 17:43:24 | Tomas2 | all booting from usb... |
| 17:43:43 | Tomas2 | so it wasn't a problem to boot from iRiver, before we got a big usb stick |
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| 17:44:07 | Lynx_ | Tomas2: how do you have install winPE to have it boot? |
| 17:44:12 | Tang | Hi |
| 17:44:56 | Tomas2 | Some helpdesk guy did it for me... but afaik it's just extracting the iso and copying the mbr of the floppy boot image inside |
| 17:45:57 | Lynx_ | ok... |
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| 17:56:00 | mirak | Lynx_: you can use Damn Small Linux to do that |
| 17:56:10 | mirak | it fit's in 60mo |
| 17:56:49 | Lynx_ | mirak: how do i install that on a usb stick? can't find anything on the webpage |
| 17:57:03 | mirak | hum |
| 17:57:13 | mirak | I don't remember but there should info on this there |
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| 18:00:01 | mirak | Lynx_: http://damnsmalllinux.org/cgi-bin/forums/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=11;t=3613 |
| 18:00:10 | mirak | always never forget the forums |
| 18:00:12 | mirak | :) |
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| 18:03:42 | Lynx_ | mirak: that will take too long ;) |
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| 18:05:21 | mirak | Lynx_: you got to know what you want :) |
| 18:05:51 | Lynx_ | mirak: i found a featherlinux/syslinux.exe manual that sounds better ;) |
| 18:08:58 | mirak | Lynx_: well I think I installed it in less steps than that |
| 18:09:09 | mirak | Lynx_: in fact I think the steps are : |
| 18:09:17 | mirak | boot into damn small linux |
| 18:09:44 | mirak | copy the content of the damn small linux iso into the usb key |
| 18:09:58 | mirak | and check lilo.conf |
| 18:10:06 | Lynx_ | but then i have to burn dsl first, reboot... |
| 18:10:09 | mirak | and run lilo with the good config |
| 18:10:20 | mirak | no |
| 18:10:26 | mirak | you can mount the iso |
| 18:10:36 | mirak | if you are on windows with daemon tools |
| 18:10:40 | mirak | or with mount on linux |
| 18:10:49 | Lynx_ | mirak: to boot dsl i can't mount it |
| 18:10:56 | mirak | what ? |
| 18:11:02 | mirak | oh |
| 18:11:04 | mirak | hum |
| 18:11:17 | mirak | well I think you need linux in all case, at least to install the bootloader |
| 18:11:23 | Lynx_ | the other version is just unpack featherlinux to usb stick, run syslinux, done |
| 18:11:25 | mirak | you could do that from a knoppix |
| 18:11:31 | mirak | ok |
| 18:11:33 | mirak | :) |
| 18:11:40 | mirak | it seems simpler |
| 18:11:47 | Lynx_ | if only featherlinux would donload faster i'd be done already ;) |
| 18:11:57 | Lynx_ | s/don/down/ |
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| 18:12:35 | mirak | if I had a bigger usb key I wwould have let damn small linux on it |
| 18:12:50 | mirak | anyway if you have a iRiver |
| 18:13:02 | mirak | you can install damn small linux on it |
| 18:13:08 | mirak | or even a knoppix |
| 18:13:15 | mirak | there is really enough space to do that |
| 18:13:22 | mirak | and then boot a PC from it |
| 18:13:53 | mrmags | how did you partition to make that work? |
| 18:13:58 | Lynx_ | i have some usb harddrives, those should work even better. and they have 200 gigs available ;) |
| 18:21:04 | mirak | mrmags: don't know |
| 18:21:15 | mirak | mrmags: maybe it would not work with the normal firmware |
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| 18:27:59 | Tomas2 | As I said.. I had knoppix and winPE on iriver |
| 18:28:29 | Tomas2 | with the original firmware... it just ignores the extra files in the root dir.. |
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| 18:46:10 | Lynx_ | hmm, it worked but didn't get past the knopppix boot menu... |
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| 18:49:16 | El_Gringo | Hi |
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| 18:49:51 | El_Gringo | I've a little problem in building the cross compiler m68k |
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| 18:49:58 | El_Gringo | someone could help I ? |
| 18:50:50 | El_Gringo | when I compile gcc-core-3.4.3, I have an error |
| 18:51:22 | El_Gringo | the build / install of the new binutils is ok (the path too) |
| 18:52:37 | El_Gringo | the error messages are : |
| 18:52:45 | El_Gringo | Assembler messages: |
| 18:52:55 | El_Gringo | Error: operands mismatch −− statement 'fmovem.l%fpcr,%d1' ignored |
| 18:52:58 | El_Gringo | Error: operands mismatch −− statement 'fmovem.l%fpcr,%d1' ignored |
| 18:53:01 | El_Gringo | make[2]: *** [libgcc/m68040/_fixunsdfsi.o] Error 1 |
| 18:53:04 | El_Gringo | make[1]: *** [stmp-multilib] error 2 |
| 18:53:08 | El_Gringo | make: *** [all-gcc] error 2 |
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| 19:01:51 | webguest50 | El_Gringo: had the same problem |
| 19:02:35 | jyp | bwahaha |
| 19:02:52 | El_Gringo | ha |
| 19:03:26 | webguest50 | El_gringo: you need to edit libgcc.mk and remove all the lines with the processors higher than m5407 |
| 19:03:51 | webguest50 | El_Gringo: there is probably a more ellegant way, but it worked for me |
| 19:12:40 | amiconn | preglow: r u there? |
| 19:13:59 | amiconn | jyp: r u there? |
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| 19:17:58 | jyp | amiconn: I'm here |
| 19:18:27 | amiconn | It seems you introduced a bug in libmad:layer3.c. It even segfaults on the simulator now |
| 19:18:52 | amiconn | Looking at line 856, it seems you meant 3L instead of 3I |
| 19:19:27 | jyp | Note that it should make no difference on your targets |
| 19:19:50 | amiconn | Funny enough the compiler doesn't complain about '3I' |
| 19:20:08 | jyp | Why should it? |
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| 19:20:58 | amiconn | jyp: Erm, because it doesn't know how to handle an 'I' (note: capital letter i ) after a number? |
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| 19:21:51 | preglow | preglow: i'm here |
| 19:21:54 | preglow | yes |
| 19:21:59 | preglow | amiconn: i'm here... |
| 19:22:09 | amiconn | Haha, ok |
| 19:22:14 | preglow | ohh, yes |
| 19:22:29 | preglow | jyp'll handle that, i haven't built rockbox in a couple of days now :/ |
| 19:23:04 | jyp | Maybe we should check the ISO standard; |
| 19:23:15 | jyp | but I don't see why "I" shouldn't be accepted |
| 19:23:53 | amiconn | Hmm. What should 'I' mean after all? |
| 19:23:58 | jyp | 'int' |
| 19:24:13 | jyp | I added that as a gcc bug workaround |
| 19:24:39 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 19:25:45 | preglow | jyp: did you make libmad work on gmini? |
| 19:26:02 | amiconn | Didn't know that this is possible, and my editor agrees with me. Anyway, both with and without I it segfaults in layer3.c, line 851 |
| 19:26:07 | jyp | I'm working on it |
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| 19:27:07 | amiconn | When I do this under gdb control, 'print sfbi' says sfbi = 2859, which is clearly out of range for subscripting 'exponents' |
| 19:27:32 | jyp | The total linecount of my changes it 5 or 6 lines perhaps |
| 19:27:51 | preglow | i expect you'll have to hack extensively for it to work |
| 19:27:55 | jyp | so maybe you can review them? |
| 19:28:09 | jyp | preglow: why so? |
| 19:28:36 | jyp | Till now I've hit only compiler bugs, not problems in the libmad code. |
| 19:28:52 | preglow | compiler bugs are the reason for moving indexes out of expressions? |
| 19:28:57 | jyp | yes |
| 19:28:59 | preglow | nasty |
| 19:29:07 | jyp | tell me about it! |
| 19:29:22 | jyp | I hope gcc 4 will fix that |
| 19:29:38 | preglow | gcc 4 won't be out for a while |
| 19:29:49 | preglow | i think they're shooting for april |
| 19:29:57 | preglow | hmm, which isn't that far from now, i see |
| 19:29:58 | preglow | :P |
| 19:30:04 | jyp | one month I can bear to wait |
| 19:30:14 | jyp | yup |
| 19:31:05 | jyp | amiconn: or perhaps try reverting my changes altogether and see if it solves the problem |
| 19:31:57 | amiconn | Perhaps it was there before... only mpa2wav gave strange effects sometimes |
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| 19:32:44 | jyp | sometimes? |
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| 19:34:41 | amiconn | Yes, sometimes. When I try to convert an .mp3 with it, sometimes the plugin doesn't load correctly, and on a second try it does |
| 19:35:24 | amiconn | Then it converts the .mp3 most of the time, and sometimes hangs the simulator at the end, but not always |
| 19:35:55 | jyp | nasty ;) |
| 19:36:45 | preglow | i've never seen this on the actual device |
| 19:36:46 | amiconn | Now it behaves different. It always crashes after decoding the first frame (nothing saved) |
| 19:40:53 | jyp | I'm pretty confident my changes are safe |
| 19:41:20 | jyp | But you can check them here: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/codecs/libmad/layer12.c.diff?r1=1.1&r2=1.2 |
| 19:41:35 | jyp | and there: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/codecs/libmad/layer3.c.diff?r1=1.4&r2=1.5 |
| 19:42:28 | amiconn | Yes, I checked them, and I have no explanation for this behaviour.... |
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| 19:43:27 | amiconn | I thought this may have caused the problems, but it doesn't, sorry. On the other hand, this behaviour is new... |
| 19:43:48 | jyp | np |
| 19:44:57 | jyp | I have made a standalone application to test libmad on gmini; |
| 19:45:24 | jyp | I hit the complier bug quite soon (1st frame) |
| 19:46:14 | jyp | but apart from that I had to fiddle with the buffer sizes... I think it's not your problem; but who knows. |
| 19:51:09 | mirak | h320 is on the way |
| 19:51:15 | mirak | my way |
| 19:51:17 | mirak | :D |
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| 20:22:44 | amiconn | jyp: Now that is strange: I simply replaced layer3.c with version 1.4 (before your changes), compiled the sim again - and it works!(at least as before) |
| 20:23:03 | amiconn | However, I don't get what is wrong with your changes... |
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| 20:34:07 | amiconn | preglow: It turns out that I was wrong about the .icode/.idata presence in the simulators |
| 20:34:25 | amiconn | This was the problem for the intermittent failure of mpa2wav. |
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| 20:35:12 | amiconn | I'll submit a fix for that (using the same #define mechanism as rockboy) |
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| 20:38:39 | preglow | amiconn: does the sims have a linker script? |
| 20:38:47 | amiconn | nope |
| 20:39:03 | preglow | ahh, then it'll probably just be easier to make a couple of ICODE and IDATA macros |
| 20:39:12 | amiconn | Yes, that's what I did |
| 20:39:15 | preglow | excellent |
| 20:39:20 | preglow | put them some place everything can see them |
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| 20:39:34 | amiconn | (or rather, copied from rockboy/rockmacros.h with a slight correction |
| 20:39:36 | amiconn | ) |
| 20:40:05 | amiconn | I still don't get why jyp's change |
| 20:40:12 | amiconn | breaks libmad tho |
| 20:40:42 | amiconn | Would be very interesting whether the same thing happens on iriver target |
| 20:41:10 | preglow | i'm in no position to test right now, unfortunately |
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| 21:12:19 | preglow | wouldn't it be better to put those defines a place that's a bit more visible to all of rockbox than xxx2wav.h? |
| 21:12:34 | preglow | the codecs shouldn't need to include that |
| 21:12:59 | amiconn | They need to... libmad uses .idata in synth.c |
| 21:13:17 | amiconn | I put it both in xxx2wav.h and codec.h |
| 21:14:23 | preglow | so i see |
| 21:30:43 | amiconn | jyp: The 'I' is indeed the problem |
| 21:30:59 | amiconn | Without it, it works perfectly in the simulator |
| 21:31:56 | amiconn | I didn't find anything mentioning the 'I' as a valid suffix, only 'U', 'L' and 'UL' for integer values |
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| 21:34:33 | amiconn | jyp: could you try if it helps to cast the '3' to an int? |
| 21:35:11 | preglow | have you had a look at what the assembler looks like with the I ? |
| 21:35:35 | preglow | i've never seen an I myself |
| 21:36:50 | amiconn | No, I didn't have a look. Perhaps I should, but then this is ugly x86... |
| 21:38:56 | amiconn | Hmm, how do I do this? Didn't you mention that objcopy is able to disassemble? |
| 21:39:04 | preglow | objdump -d |
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| 21:39:12 | preglow | but it's better to have gcc generate asm |
| 21:39:16 | preglow | this you do with -S |
| 21:40:19 | amiconn | ...and I need to get all the defined symbols right |
| 21:46:00 | amiconn | Urgs, I forgot *how* ugly x86 asm is.... |
| 21:46:13 | amiconn | However, I found the differing spot |
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| 21:46:32 | amiconn | Now I "only" need to understand it... |
| 21:49:01 | preglow | feel free to paste the relevant section |
| 21:49:10 | preglow | i used to know x86 asm pretty well |
| 21:50:05 | amiconn | How many lines before/ after do you think are necessary? |
| 21:50:20 | amiconn | The simple 'I' seems to add 3 x86 instructions |
| 21:50:59 | HCl | ughh. |
| 21:51:01 | HCl | hello. |
| 21:51:12 | HCl | i don't suppose any of you have experience with 802.1x under linux? |
| 21:52:14 | Camilo | not sure HCl .... is it like vlan? |
| 21:52:24 | amiconn | preglow: This is the relevant part without 'I' (working): |
| 21:52:25 | amiconn | 982:81 7d f0 3f 02 00 00 cmpl $0x23f,0xfffffff0(%ebp) |
| 21:52:26 | amiconn | 989:0f 87 3e ff ff ff ja 8cd <_III_exponents+0x6d> |
| 21:52:26 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK amiconn |
| 21:52:26 | amiconn | 98f:90 nop |
| 21:52:26 | amiconn | 990:8b 75 e0 mov 0xffffffe0(%ebp),%esi |
| 21:52:26 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 21:52:26 | amiconn | 993:0f b6 44 37 12 movzbl 0x12(%edi,%esi,1),%eax |
| 21:52:27 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 21:52:27 | amiconn | 998:88 d9 mov %bl,%cl |
| 21:52:29 | amiconn | 99a:d3 e0 shl %cl,%eax |
| 21:52:32 | HCl | no |
| 21:52:36 | amiconn | And this is the buggy part: |
| 21:52:49 | amiconn | 982:81 7d f0 3f 02 00 00 cmpl $0x23f,0xfffffff0(%ebp) |
| 21:52:49 | amiconn | 989:0f 87 3e ff ff ff ja 8cd <_III_exponents+0x6d> |
| 21:52:49 | amiconn | 98f:8b 35 b8 87 00 00 mov 0x87b8,%esi |
| 21:52:49 | *** | Alert Mode level 3 |
| 21:52:49 | amiconn | 995:89 75 dc mov %esi,0xffffffdc(%ebp) |
| 21:52:50 | *** | Alert Mode level 4 |
| 21:52:50 | amiconn | 998:90 nop |
| 21:52:50 | *** | Alert Mode level 5 |
| 21:52:50 | amiconn | 999:8d b4 26 00 00 00 00 lea 0x0(%esi),%esi |
| 21:52:52 | amiconn | 9a0:8b 4d e0 mov 0xffffffe0(%ebp),%ecx |
| 21:52:54 | amiconn | 9a3:0f b6 44 0f 12 movzbl 0x12(%edi,%ecx,1),%eax |
| 21:52:56 | amiconn | 9a8:88 d9 mov %bl,%cl |
| 21:52:58 | amiconn | 9aa:d3 e0 shl %cl,%eax |
| 21:57:07 | preglow | i love the nop |
| 21:59:53 | preglow | i don't get it |
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| 22:02:04 | preglow | i can't imagine why an extra I should result in that |
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| 22:03:42 | amiconn | Yeah... but it does. |
| 22:04:03 | amiconn | I'd really like to find some material describing the effect of the 'I' |
| 22:05:51 | amiconn | In fact there are more changes further throughout the code.... most probably too long to paste here |
| 22:08:14 | preglow | but i can test it on target now |
| 22:08:31 | preglow | after i clean out all these bloody new cvs conflicts |
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| 22:09:31 | amiconn | Would be very interesting to compare the coldfire asm with and without 'I' |
| 22:11:04 | preglow | it works poorly |
| 22:11:12 | preglow | entire unit hangs |
| 22:11:34 | amiconn | That's with the 'I'? |
| 22:11:38 | preglow | yes |
| 22:11:43 | preglow | what changes do you need to have it work? |
| 22:11:44 | amiconn | Ah. |
| 22:11:53 | amiconn | Just remove the 'I' |
| 22:12:15 | amiconn | With 'I', the simulator segfaults (both win32 and x11) |
| 22:12:53 | amiconn | It tries to access the exponents[] array with a very high index, way out of bounds... |
| 22:13:09 | preglow | works like a charm without I |
| 22:13:17 | preglow | i'll have a look at the assembly |
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| 22:20:07 | preglow | no one seems to know what I means |
| 22:20:14 | preglow | so i think it's same to assume there's no such thing |
| 22:22:16 | preglow | ahhh |
| 22:22:35 | preglow | i believe I is equivalent to i, which is the c99 complex constant |
| 22:22:40 | preglow | no wonder it blows up |
| 22:22:46 | amiconn | If there were is such thing, then there are 3 questions instead: (1) why did jyp introduce it? (2) why does it produce no warning/error? (3) why does it produce additional/different code? |
| 22:23:07 | preglow | well, a complex int is two ordinary ints in a struct like thing, so no wonder |
| 22:23:16 | preglow | jyp thought I was an L like thing |
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| 22:23:26 | preglow | as for no warning/error, we're talking about gcc here |
| 22:23:27 | preglow | it's strange |
| 22:23:50 | amiconn | I don't think so.... |
| 22:23:53 | amiconn | [19:25:55] <amiconn> Hmm. What should 'I' mean after all? |
| 22:23:54 | amiconn | [19:26:00] <jyp> 'int' |
| 22:23:54 | amiconn | [19:26:16] <jyp> I added that as a gcc bug workaround |
| 22:23:59 | preglow | ahh |
| 22:24:06 | preglow | but it's not a particularily good workaround, is it :P |
| 22:24:09 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 22:24:09 | * | preglow prods jyp |
| 22:24:20 | amiconn | But obviously it doesn't simply mean 'int'... |
| 22:25:44 | preglow | amiconn: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.4.3/gcc/Complex.html#Complex |
| 22:26:22 | amiconn | Just looking at that, slightly different url... |
| 22:26:37 | amiconn | However, we don't include complex.h for sure |
| 22:27:10 | jyp | preglow: I told you to check my commit ;) |
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| 22:28:24 | amiconn | http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/glibc/libc_420.html |
| 22:29:11 | jyp | I'll see how I could make my gcc swallow the 3... |
| 22:29:21 | amiconn | (int)3 ? |
| 22:29:52 | jyp | layer3.c:878: internal compiler error: in simplify_unary_operation, at simplify-rtx.c:563 |
| 22:29:57 | amiconn | Or better: fix gcc ;) |
| 22:30:15 | jyp | Unfortunately this is in the machine independant code |
| 22:30:47 | amiconn | huh? Hmm, why this works in other gcc's? Anyway, you could try to swap the operands |
| 22:31:28 | jyp | Because word size is different |
| 22:32:40 | amiconn | Hmm, so it's not completely machine independent. My guess is that since most machines are 32 bit (or larger) today, 16 bit support isn't that well tested. |
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| 22:34:24 | zaknafein | hey |
| 22:35:37 | zaknafein | anyone around? |
| 22:35:48 | Tomas2 | hi |
| 22:36:40 | * | Bagder counts 53 people |
| 22:36:56 | * | amiconn spots Bagder |
| 22:37:05 | zaknafein | i meant like here as in at keyboard |
| 22:37:05 | Bagder | ooops ;-) |
| 22:37:06 | zaknafein | anyway |
| 22:37:29 | zaknafein | does anyone know if anyone makes a firmware mod for the archos jukebox multimedia 20 |
| 22:37:41 | zaknafein | i cant find one anywhere |
| 22:37:57 | amiconn | Bagder: Your win32 executable runs just fine. However, it is 163 KB (>10 %) larger than what cygwin gcc produces |
| 22:38:04 | Bagder | zaknafein: http://linav.free.fr/ |
| 22:38:15 | Bagder | ah, cool |
| 22:38:28 | Bagder | not that it matters much |
| 22:38:40 | zaknafein | thanks badge |
| 22:38:42 | zaknafein | r |
| 22:38:47 | amiconn | Bagder: I could try the plugins as well, if you could make up a zip package |
| 22:39:08 | zaknafein | Badger: any expreience with it? have your heard good about it? |
| 22:39:21 | amiconn | I guess the larger binary is caused by using gcc 3.4.x instead of 3.3.x (cygwin) |
| 22:39:26 | Bagder | zaknafein: I have no idea, I'm a rockboxer |
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| 22:39:46 | Bagder | amiconn: quite possibly |
| 22:42:03 | zaknafein | hmm i dont think the JBMM 20 firmware is out yet on that site |
| 22:43:05 | zaknafein | any others? |
| 22:43:19 | Bagder | amiconn: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/rockbox.zip |
| 22:47:07 | zaknafein | Badger is there actally somthing downloadable for the JBMM 20 on that site? |
| 22:48:18 | Bagder | let me repeat: I have no idea, I'm a rockboxer |
| 22:48:24 | Bagder | this is #rockbox |
| 22:48:34 | amiconn | Bagder: All plugins I tried are working as they should |
| 22:49:01 | amiconn | Funny enough, a number of plugins is smaller compared to what gcc 3.3.x produces |
| 22:50:07 | Bagder | ! |
| 22:54:54 | jyp | oops |
| 22:55:04 | amiconn | One minor thing - the executable misses the .exe extension |
| 22:56:32 | Bagder | amiconn: yeps, its a mistake in configure |
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| 22:57:41 | Bagder | me fix |
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| 23:01:45 | Bagder | and I have another neat fix too |
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| 23:09:46 | DeadMan | what is currently not working on iRiver Rockbox? |
| 23:10:28 | preglow | go read the wiki |
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| 23:14:33 | geoff_o | I guess "RTFW" is now replacing "RTFM". |
| 23:14:34 | markun | preglow, are you there? |
| 23:14:58 | preglow | markun: yes |
| 23:15:30 | Soul_Eater | haha |
| 23:15:49 | markun | I disabled mdct_inverse in Tremor just to see how fast it would be. My slowest ogg's decode at 135% without imdct. Not very fast. |
| 23:16:31 | preglow | no iram used? |
| 23:16:37 | markun | iram used. |
| 23:16:40 | preglow | for what? |
| 23:17:07 | markun | For the windowing factors. |
| 23:17:41 | markun | And the windowing function is also in iram. |
| 23:17:42 | preglow | ok |
| 23:17:50 | preglow | functions in iram should be avoided |
| 23:17:57 | preglow | we should try to use the cache properly instead |
| 23:18:01 | preglow | but yes, doesn't matter now |
| 23:18:12 | preglow | i'll have a look at tremor as soon as i'm done with libmad |
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| 23:19:16 | markun | ok, that would be great. |
| 23:19:32 | preglow | i've only got imdct_l and dct32 left |
| 23:19:40 | preglow | and dct32 i don't know if i can handle without going insane |
| 23:20:11 | preglow | there's no hurry anyway, i don't think sound and codec apis will be done any time soon |
| 23:20:16 | markun | Profiling would be nice. Than we know what to optimize. I wonder if the gcc patch (to use regs for arguments) will also speed things up. |
| 23:20:39 | preglow | everyone would have to agree on using that gcc patch if one is to use it |
| 23:20:47 | markun | True |
| 23:20:51 | preglow | my asm functions rely on stack based arguments right now |
| 23:21:08 | preglow | they would break quite noisily with register arguments |
| 23:25:16 | markun | I noticed a difference between my ogg files. The are all encoded with q3 but some decode at 103% now and others 135%. Do you know what could cause this? |
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| 23:52:48 | preglow | hmm |
| 23:52:53 | preglow | it still crashes my player |
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| 23:56:29 | preglow | no, it works |
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| 23:57:49 | amiconn | preglow: Does it also happen for iriver target that libmad.a isn't cleaned with 'make clean'? |
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