00:00:03 | OPP | itunes makes good playlists |
00:00:04 | OPP | :-D |
00:00:06 | tvelocity | script = sync |
00:00:19 | OPP | ya i got that |
00:01:10 | nobby | well i'm off |
00:01:22 | nobby | i expect sound by the time i get back, ya hear? :P |
00:01:27 | preglow | "yes" |
00:01:30 | nobby | :P |
00:01:33 | preglow | i'll have it ready when you've deposited the money |
00:01:39 | preglow | to my swiss bank account |
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00:01:52 | tvelocity | you guys should have a bot |
00:01:57 | preglow | why? |
00:01:59 | tvelocity | a fake-promises-bot |
00:02:02 | preglow | hahah |
00:02:15 | tvelocity | wich autimaticaly tells people what they want to hear |
00:02:27 | tvelocity | so you don't have to do any estimates and stuff :} |
00:02:31 | OPP | "rockboxx will clean your dishes" |
00:02:53 | OPP | "oops, i forgot laundry also" |
00:02:58 | preglow | print "yes, it's coming real soon" if /sound/ or /remote/; |
00:07:50 | CoCoLUS | preglow |
00:07:54 | CoCoLUS | couldn't you start with the SA? |
00:08:19 | preglow | eh? |
00:08:24 | preglow | sound api? |
00:09:15 | CoCoLUS | api, arch, you name it :) |
00:09:23 | preglow | no, i have no idea of how it should be, nor do it have the time to develop it fully |
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00:09:38 | CoCoLUS | is linus the only one capable of doing it? |
00:09:54 | preglow | i have to use more or less all my free time in the coming week for other stuff, and after that, it's easter, so i'll vanish completely for close to two weaks |
00:10:02 | preglow | no |
00:10:09 | preglow | but no one else has tried |
00:11:37 | OPP | i cant wait for the h3xx port :-D |
00:11:50 | preglow | oh, but you'll have to :) |
00:12:03 | OPP | ya |
00:12:16 | OPP | i dont see it coming till atleast another 3 months |
00:12:19 | preglow | nor do i |
00:12:26 | OPP | is that a decent estimate? |
00:12:28 | tvelocity | i would say 6... |
00:12:32 | preglow | i don't do estimates |
00:12:33 | OPP | 6!? |
00:12:39 | CoCoLUS | hey |
00:12:44 | OPP | jeeperz! |
00:12:47 | CoCoLUS | you can always wait for the official iriver firmware! ;) |
00:12:48 | preglow | feel free to get us the specs we need |
00:12:53 | preglow | and research on the hardware |
00:12:54 | preglow | that'll help |
00:12:58 | OPP | really? |
00:12:58 | OPP | ok |
00:13:04 | OPP | what do you want me to do |
00:13:13 | OPP | i dont mind helping |
00:13:15 | preglow | the directions are in the three above liines |
00:13:34 | preglow | i don't think the lcd has been identified |
00:13:37 | CoCoLUS | research the exact differnces btw the 3xx and the 1xx, and search for data sheets on the differnet components |
00:13:48 | pill | hi |
00:13:52 | pill | you can update this: |
00:13:54 | pill | 951161Rejected5nobodyRockbox for iHP1002004-05-10 12:26 |
00:14:00 | pill | in http://www.rockbox.org/requests.shtml |
00:14:12 | Bagder | why? |
00:14:12 | pill | since it is obviously not rejected anymore |
00:14:28 | Bagder | yes but who cares about that old request? |
00:14:35 | pill | or did i get the thing wrong? |
00:14:46 | pill | well it's the exhaustive request list |
00:14:53 | pill | it need to be accurate |
00:14:57 | pill | needs* |
00:15:06 | Bagder | asking for ports will continue to be rejected |
00:15:24 | Bagder | ports are made when people feel like it |
00:15:29 | Bagder | asking for them is pointless |
00:15:39 | pill | hmm |
00:15:43 | pill | okay then |
00:15:54 | pill | maybe i didn't get the point of the page. |
00:15:58 | pill | my bad |
00:16:11 | Bagder | I don't think you misunderstood |
00:16:24 | Bagder | we just take the right to deal with requests as we think |
00:16:58 | Bagder | I bet you can find many requests we rejected, and then they ended up implemented later on anyway |
00:17:34 | Bagder | I don't think one single user will be happy by us going through old rejected ones and changing them to reflect reality better |
00:18:00 | pill | okay i understand |
00:18:23 | Bagder | so yes, we do port to the h1x0 players |
00:18:32 | Bagder | even if that old request was rejected |
00:18:32 | pill | that's all that matters :) |
00:18:55 | tvelocity | please NEVER port to ipod |
00:19:02 | Bagder | why not? |
00:19:12 | Bagder | I use to nag the ipodlinux people to it |
00:19:13 | pill | is ipod ever firmware upgradeable? |
00:19:26 | OPP | ya |
00:19:33 | OPP | pretty rarely |
00:19:47 | OPP | ipodlinuxx is pretty neat |
00:19:57 | Bagder | they do in fact have enough info to make Rockbox work |
00:20:08 | Bagder | if someone wanted it to |
00:20:26 | tvelocity | Bagder, i have a friend who is a mac-fan, and we always do iriver vs. ipod flamewars for fun:P |
00:20:36 | preglow | let's hope that doesn't happen, my desire to code arm asm will be too great |
00:20:45 | Bagder | ;*) |
00:20:54 | Bagder | that flash based iriver thing is ARM based |
00:21:12 | preglow | yea, know |
00:21:13 | preglow | tempting |
00:21:34 | preglow | perhaps i'll start buying more toys when i get a job and cash is pouring in |
00:22:22 | Bagder | it would be fun to get Rockbox on an ARM based unit |
00:22:27 | preglow | indeed |
00:22:34 | Bagder | more CPUs means more fun! ;-) |
00:22:53 | OPP | heh |
00:23:03 | OPP | start porting those old pocket pc games in arm :-D |
00:23:06 | OPP | jk |
00:23:08 | tvelocity | does rockbox have a lot of assembly code? |
00:23:12 | preglow | tvelocity: no |
00:23:30 | preglow | it's mostly c |
00:23:30 | tvelocity | good:) |
00:24:03 | OPP | so, technically, if you took the assembly code and all that junk from it could you esstianly build your own mp3 player? |
00:24:04 | preglow | god, i'm seriously starting to consider having a look at gcc internals to see how hard it would be to make emac intrinsics |
00:24:39 | Bagder | OPP: sure, putting Rockbox on your own mp3 player would be a peace of cake |
00:24:49 | OPP | cool |
00:24:56 | OPP | i had an archos before :-D |
00:25:30 | OPP | what a beast that thing was |
00:25:32 | OPP | i loved it though |
00:27:08 | tvelocity | why does X hate me? :( |
00:27:14 | OPP | X? |
00:27:29 | tvelocity | xorg |
00:27:51 | OPP | o |
00:28:06 | preglow | x hates everyone |
00:30:30 | tvelocity | it hates me at most |
00:33:29 | preglow | Bagder: you're a 68k guy, yes? is there any point in using the 'a' (movea, suba) versions of some instructions explicitely, or is it accepted practice to drop the a? |
00:33:58 | Bagder | its been too long since I did 68k asm, I don't remember such details ;-( |
00:34:35 | Bagder | (~ 15 years) |
00:35:32 | preglow | ouch |
00:35:57 | preglow | i was around 8 years those days, you're excused |
00:36:02 | Bagder | hehe |
00:36:15 | Bagder | you youngster |
00:36:19 | preglow | had probably never even gotten my c64 |
00:36:23 | CoCoLUS | jeez i was 4 then |
00:36:59 | Bagder | I got my C64 20 years ago |
00:37:07 | tvelocity | jeez, i want a gamecube :( |
00:37:07 | OPP | i wasnt even a sperm 20 years ago |
00:38:21 | preglow | shit, i must have had a c64 by eight years old then |
00:38:35 | CoCoLUS | freak ;) |
00:41:05 | preglow | always will be |
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00:41:25 | preglow | if it hadn't been for my c64, i most probably wouldn't have been programming today |
00:42:04 | Bagder | me, zagor and linus were in the same "c64 group" back in those days |
00:42:16 | Bagder | we go back |
00:42:19 | preglow | i didn't discover the scene until the pc days |
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00:46:48 | preglow | ahhh, the memories... all the failed attempts at producing something working/noteworthy |
00:47:23 | Bagder | hehe |
00:48:41 | OPP | my first system was a sega genesis |
00:49:31 | preglow | that was my third |
00:52:58 | * | HCl started programming on his msx |
00:53:25 | preglow | never saw one of those |
00:53:35 | HCl | it was ok |
00:53:39 | HCl | it had basic, and pascal |
00:53:46 | preglow | basic was my first language |
00:53:46 | preglow | haha |
00:53:53 | preglow | pascal my second |
00:53:56 | HCl | i never really learned basic |
00:53:59 | preglow | i did |
00:54:05 | HCl | i started with pascal since i thought basic was too primitive |
00:54:15 | tvelocity | i hate pascal |
00:54:16 | HCl | >.> |
00:54:19 | preglow | haha |
00:54:21 | preglow | pascal's ok |
00:54:29 | HCl | the string limit in pascal is dumb. |
00:54:30 | preglow | but nothing i would want to use |
00:54:38 | HCl | but it was a good starting language |
00:54:47 | HCl | anyways. |
00:54:49 | HCl | afk |
00:54:59 | tvelocity | we had to learn an artificial non-existant language in school... it was basicly pascal translated into greek... jeezzzzzz... |
00:55:04 | preglow | haha |
00:55:05 | preglow | lovelyu |
00:55:09 | HCl | talk about useless... |
00:55:10 | HCl | >.> |
00:55:13 | HCl | afk now. |
00:55:16 | preglow | mr. afk is back! |
00:55:47 | preglow | i miss the sound in my megadrive :/ |
00:55:57 | preglow | i wish adlib sound cards would come back in style |
00:55:58 | preglow | fm rocks |
00:56:35 | * | HCl still has his megadrive |
00:56:38 | HCl | dunno whether it still works |
00:56:46 | tvelocity | SNES r00lz :P |
00:57:01 | HCl | xbox will play all snes and megadrive games anyways ;p |
00:57:04 | * | HCl returned. |
00:57:05 | HCl | o.o |
00:57:12 | preglow | i love snes as well, yes |
00:57:17 | preglow | got my love for rpgs from that |
00:57:28 | tvelocity | for me, snes is the best console ever |
00:57:33 | preglow | then we agree |
00:57:41 | tvelocity | it just has the greatest games |
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01:00:12 | tvelocity | zelda ownz for example :) |
01:00:23 | preglow | deed |
01:00:36 | preglow | spent loads of quality time with my friends and a snes |
01:00:40 | preglow | and tons of snacks |
01:00:54 | preglow | arhh, those were the days |
01:01:01 | preglow | i sincerely miss them |
01:02:36 | tvelocity | hm, quality time with friends + snacks... now d&d just came into my mind :) |
01:02:49 | HCl | lol. |
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01:07:49 | * | HCl watches elfen lied... |
01:09:50 | preglow | i'll just go to bed |
01:09:52 | preglow | good night, all |
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02:41:37 | thh-seize | evenin everyone |
02:42:31 | thh-seize | sooo |
02:42:39 | thh-seize | anyone got an iriver h340 ? |
02:44:51 | thh-seize | i like mine |
02:44:58 | thh-seize | wouldnt mind gettin rockbox on it |
02:45:16 | thh-seize | even tho to be honest |
02:45:21 | thh-seize | i dont really get rockbox |
02:47:13 | thh-seize | anyway |
02:47:24 | thh-seize | good luck wit the whole thing |
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08:24:51 | LinusN | did it get any smaller? |
08:25:08 | Bagder | uuuh, that hurts |
08:26:09 | LinusN | espresso, nah ... compresso! |
08:26:59 | amiconn | lol |
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09:48:52 | LinusN | helo |
09:50:52 | dwihno | EHLO |
09:53:56 | T0mas | ghehe... Should I reply all supported codepages/langages? ;) |
09:54:09 | T0mas | 250 dwihno |
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11:20:45 | Lynx_ | Hmm, a friend of mine connected a wrong powersupply to an usb hard disk case, now the disk does not do anything any more. is there a chance of reviving it? OnTrack wants 1000 eur for restoring the info... |
11:23:45 | dwihno | have you torn out the disk from the casing and tested it inside a PC? |
11:25:57 | Lynx_ | yes, and inside other cases...doesn't spin up |
11:26:09 | Lynx_ | i guess there is a short in there somewhere... |
11:26:52 | Lynx_ | i just wonder if it could be repaired if opened, and then would hopefully just run long enough to get the data off |
11:30:21 | dwihno | I haven't heard of hard disk repairs |
11:30:36 | Bagder | dwihno: there are companies that do that |
11:30:48 | Bagder | they usually charge a lot |
11:31:10 | Bagder | since they know people don't have the stuff backed up ;-) |
11:32:15 | Lynx_ | Bagder: yes, 1000 euro was the quote ;) |
11:32:29 | dwihno | :-) |
11:32:55 | dwihno | I actually made a complete source archive backup, right before christmas |
11:33:23 | dwihno | One of my disks was breaking up, so I got the most important stuff before it totally died |
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12:06:15 | kurzhaarrocker | does rockboy really work on V1 recorders? |
12:08:49 | amiconn | yup |
12:08:58 | amiconn | (but very slowly) |
12:09:03 | kurzhaarrocker | Where can I get an example? |
12:11:57 | amiconn | ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/ (HCl's site) |
12:12:45 | kurzhaarrocker | thx |
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12:30:41 | Lynx_ | Hmm, it seems that most harddisks actually have a fuse on the board that could be repaired... |
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14:50:52 | elinenbe | hello! any new progress on the iriver port in the last week? |
14:51:40 | dwihno | I guess everybody are waiting for pcm/audio/codecs now. |
14:52:02 | elinenbe | does audio work in the CVS now? |
14:52:46 | Bagder | no |
14:55:19 | elinenbe | Bagder: anytime soon? or are we waiting for the audio api? |
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14:56:43 | HCl | we're mostly waiting for the audio api, really. |
14:57:12 | Bagder | people are busy with life these days |
14:57:16 | HCl | yup |
14:57:33 | HCl | *nods at mostly watching anime* |
14:58:02 | HCl | though i must say not having an audio api is also preventing me to play around with stuff a bit... |
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15:07:51 | HCl | hey preglow. |
15:07:54 | HCl | how goes...? |
15:18:48 | preglow | good |
15:19:05 | preglow | nothing out of the ordinary |
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15:24:59 | * | rasher murders nautilus |
15:25:09 | rasher | NO I DO NOT WANT YOU TO CREATE A DESKTOP |
15:29:46 | rasher | Hrm.. could someone explain to me, what's happening in flipit.c in draw_spot() ? why is the bitmap drawn in two steps? |
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17:16:34 | HCl | doh. |
17:16:40 | HCl | our tv is stuck on one channel... |
17:16:47 | HCl | and its national government like television... |
17:16:53 | HCl | its so boring it makes your head bleed >.<; |
17:19:05 | rasher | great... gaim won't log me onto aim |
17:19:17 | HCl | ah well, at least you can run linux properly |
17:19:31 | rasher | Hm? |
17:19:36 | * | HCl can't cause he can't get 802.1x to work and his touchpad won't work |
17:19:57 | rasher | Ah |
17:20:16 | rasher | can't get my wifi to work either.. it's horrible |
17:20:37 | rasher | so I don't run linux often on my laptop |
17:20:40 | rasher | sadly |
17:21:08 | HCl | well |
17:21:12 | HCl | wifi works nowadays |
17:21:15 | HCl | for cards that won't work |
17:21:18 | HCl | you can load windows drivers |
17:21:21 | HCl | works sweet. |
17:21:27 | rasher | Didn't work for me |
17:21:30 | HCl | aside from not being able to put it in promiscious mode |
17:21:34 | HCl | what kind of card do you have |
17:21:40 | rasher | Prism3 usb |
17:22:05 | rasher | At least, it didn't work with the provided drivers |
17:22:13 | HCl | ah. |
17:22:15 | rasher | may work with some from the ndisloader wiki |
17:22:15 | HCl | okay |
17:22:18 | HCl | usb |
17:22:25 | rasher | Indeed. |
17:22:35 | rasher | usb makes it a lot more complicated, sadly |
17:22:42 | HCl | yea. |
17:22:54 | HCl | i just bought an pcmcia pci card |
17:22:57 | HCl | unfortunately |
17:23:02 | HCl | i haven't gotten it to work on my server yet |
17:23:05 | HCl | probably cause of its irq |
17:23:34 | rasher | My laptop doesn't have pcmcia though |
17:23:34 | HCl | Yenta: ISA IRQ mask 0x0000, PCI irq 177 |
17:23:38 | HCl | irq 177 :/ |
17:23:44 | HCl | i think thats just plainly too high |
17:23:50 | HCl | for it to work properly.. |
17:25:11 | preglow | ahh, love pcs |
17:27:09 | HCl | mmmm. |
17:27:13 | HCl | i trust thats sarcastic |
17:28:33 | preglow | hell yes |
17:29:09 | preglow | they're large, clunky, noisy shits that often refuse to work |
17:29:32 | preglow | unfortunately, they also offer a slew of other possibilites |
17:32:26 | HCl | yup. |
17:32:32 | HCl | i agree |
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17:32:58 | preglow | oh, i do SO love it when i can't get things to work |
17:33:05 | alxcm | lol |
17:33:09 | preglow | quite luckily frustration is quickly vented with me |
17:33:09 | HCl | whats wrong? |
17:33:11 | * | preglow puts on loud music |
17:33:14 | HCl | :P |
17:33:20 | * | HCl has this collection of glass jars |
17:33:22 | HCl | and a brick wall outside |
17:33:24 | HCl | :P |
17:33:42 | alxcm | so does rockbox play music on the iHP-120? |
17:33:50 | HCl | from wav, yes |
17:33:56 | alxcm | or are you all still working on the codec api? |
17:34:11 | HCl | nobody's working on the codec api at the moment |
17:34:25 | alxcm | but the table in IriverPort says: Codecs incomplete mp3, ogg and FLAC all play > 100% but more optimizations are needed |
17:34:36 | HCl | yes. |
17:34:39 | HCl | the codecs work |
17:34:42 | alxcm | okay |
17:34:51 | alxcm | just not on the target |
17:34:55 | rasher | they do |
17:35:01 | rasher | they're just not hooked up to anything |
17:35:08 | alxcm | lol! |
17:35:10 | rasher | they just output to a .wav in the root |
17:35:13 | alxcm | well, that would make sense |
17:35:14 | HCl | exactly. |
17:35:26 | preglow | and connecting them to anything at all is a rather big job |
17:35:27 | alxcm | useful feature in itself |
17:35:34 | preglow | which requires thought and discussion |
17:35:41 | preglow | and we're not experiencing any of those at the moment |
17:35:41 | alxcm | ...hence the API, i see |
17:35:45 | rasher | well, making something for them to connect to |
17:35:51 | alxcm | i do like the api proposal so far |
17:35:51 | HCl | well, the whole codec slot thing |
17:35:59 | HCl | and stuff like that. |
17:35:59 | preglow | yes, but that's just an idea |
17:36:03 | alxcm | codecs should not be compiled in |
17:36:03 | rasher | the actual connecting shouldn't be a huge problem? |
17:36:08 | preglow | no |
17:36:18 | HCl | nah, its just rewriting the wav playing demo |
17:36:22 | HCl | to use output of the codecs |
17:36:39 | preglow | and figure out how buffers are to be used |
17:36:44 | preglow | how large they're supposed to be |
17:37:13 | HCl | yea. |
17:37:29 | preglow | there are several issues |
17:37:33 | alxcm | hmm...so are we going with dynamically loadable codecs? |
17:37:36 | preglow | yes |
17:37:46 | alxcm | how many can theoretically be loaded at once? |
17:37:57 | alxcm | because loading a codec then would -> hdd spinup |
17:37:59 | preglow | theoretically, a bunch |
17:38:02 | rasher | why would you want to have more than one (possibly two) loaded? |
17:38:03 | preglow | but we're going with two |
17:38:12 | alxcm | okay |
17:38:33 | rasher | well if you're going to start playing a file, there'll be hdd spinup anyway, so I don't see that as much of a problem :) |
17:38:44 | alxcm | and which ones get loaded comes from the playlist |
17:38:49 | alxcm | yeah, good point |
17:39:04 | alxcm | how much ram does the hp hav? |
17:39:07 | preglow | 32 megs |
17:39:17 | alxcm | nice |
17:40:04 | alxcm | ETA until codec -> DAS is working? |
17:40:22 | rasher | none |
17:40:31 | rasher | it all depends when someone starts working on the api |
17:40:36 | alxcm | lol |
17:40:50 | alxcm | i'd love to...but i'm not that good at C, and i've never done embedded programming before |
17:41:00 | rasher | could someone explain to me, what's happening in flipit.c in draw_spot() ? why is the bitmap drawn in two steps? .. HCl? preglow? |
17:41:51 | preglow | no rockbox for me, sorry |
17:42:22 | alxcm | rasher: no idea, don't even have the source, but it seems that it could be because you need to clear the screen before drawing...? |
17:42:34 | HCl | no idea :/ |
17:42:40 | rasher | nope, that's not it |
17:43:00 | HCl | look at who checked it in last and ask him? |
17:43:09 | rasher | I guess |
17:43:30 | rasher | it's pretty old though |
17:44:26 | rasher | I think this code comes from the original checkin, 2 years ago |
17:44:27 | rasher | :-\ |
17:44:39 | HCl | :/ |
17:44:40 | HCl | ok o |
17:44:41 | HCl | k |
17:44:42 | rasher | but I've noticed it other places |
17:44:44 | HCl | i'll take a look at it |
17:54:40 | HCl | anyways |
17:54:42 | HCl | what i'd do |
17:54:45 | HCl | is remove the second drawing |
17:54:48 | HCl | and see why its needed |
17:55:14 | rasher | good plan |
17:55:43 | rasher | I have a feeling it's being tricky with the bitmap, needing less bytes or something |
17:58:57 | rasher | indeed, it's drawing the upper half |
17:59:14 | rasher | then the lower half |
17:59:18 | HCl | there you go :) |
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17:59:27 | rasher | still doesn't make sense |
17:59:37 | alxcm | is it a visual optimization thing |
17:59:37 | HCl | so alter it to do it in one time, see if that works? |
17:59:43 | alxcm | like, to avoid flicker? |
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18:00:21 | rasher | I doubt it, it's only drawn when they change |
18:01:21 | alxcm | weird, then |
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18:02:57 | rasher | *boggle* |
18:03:17 | rasher | but yeah, it works if I draw it in one go |
18:03:18 | alxcm | ENGE class ending...ttyal |
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18:40:46 | HCl | oh for crying out loud. |
18:40:49 | HCl | our tv is stuck. |
18:40:50 | HCl | i mean |
18:40:51 | HCl | broken |
18:41:03 | HCl | it keeps forgetting its programming, so its stuck on a single channel. |
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18:46:14 | preglow | turn it off |
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18:52:49 | * | rasher yells at flipit |
18:57:44 | rasher | think I broke it |
18:57:47 | rasher | rubbish |
18:58:06 | rasher | I should never be allowed to touch computers. |
18:59:53 | * | HCl smacks his computer |
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19:04:41 | CoCoLUS | seems like everybody is happy ;) |
19:04:59 | T0mas | arg... no.. |
19:05:11 | * | T0mas hates computers... |
19:05:24 | T0mas | why did it chose this as a hobby? and a job? :X |
19:06:07 | HCl | i wonder that too. |
19:07:00 | HCl | but then i make stuff like rockboy and dynarec |
19:07:05 | HCl | and i remember that its fun in a way |
19:07:06 | HCl | at times. |
19:07:26 | T0mas | lol |
19:07:33 | T0mas | yeah, when everything is working it is... |
19:07:56 | T0mas | I've been on the phone with a customer for 2 hours... |
19:08:06 | T0mas | wondering why it didn't work |
19:08:39 | T0mas | Just when I almost gave up... he said: "Oh shit, I have it..." |
19:09:02 | T0mas | "thanks for you help, bye" |
19:09:06 | T0mas | and dropped the phone... |
19:09:13 | preglow | hahaha |
19:09:13 | T0mas | I still don't know what he did wrong |
19:09:24 | T0mas | but it must have been _REALLY_ stupid |
19:09:46 | T0mas | otherwise he would have told me i guess... |
19:09:53 | kergoth | you work tech support? my condolences. |
19:09:58 | T0mas | lol |
19:09:59 | T0mas | thanks |
19:10:14 | T0mas | but I'm not the real techsupport :) |
19:10:25 | * | kergoth did that for 3 years, and thinks his ability to deal with end users has been seriously and permanently impaired as a result |
19:10:31 | T0mas | lol |
19:10:39 | T0mas | well I'm co administrator |
19:10:48 | T0mas | so not that much customers |
19:10:59 | T0mas | but when nobody find's out what's wrong... they forward it |
19:11:04 | kergoth | years of forced friendliness is bad for the soul |
19:11:06 | kergoth | ah |
19:11:15 | T0mas | yeah, I don't have to do much customers... |
19:11:27 | T0mas | they complain to others... |
19:11:28 | kergoth | thats good, you just might survive |
19:11:30 | kergoth | ;) |
19:11:36 | T0mas | I just get the filed form... and do what's asked |
19:11:49 | T0mas | or return it when in BOFH mode :P |
19:11:52 | kergoth | hehe |
19:12:59 | T0mas | but I can imagine you getting crazy after a few years... |
19:13:14 | T0mas | afaik it's the same question's every week? |
19:14:12 | T0mas | "Where is my document?" - "where did you save it?" - "Don't know, just clicked ok..." |
19:14:29 | * | T0mas would scream at those kind of people :P |
19:14:44 | rasher | I'd probably kill myself pretty fast. |
19:14:51 | rasher | or better, kill them |
19:14:55 | T0mas | lol |
19:15:08 | T0mas | well... maybe I would give them a pen and paper if I was in a good mood :P |
19:15:41 | T0mas | like: "You can't work with computers, I'm sorry... here's a pen... good luck..." |
19:16:31 | kergoth | it wasnt _that_ bad.. but in some ways it was worse |
19:16:35 | kergoth | unix tech support, not windows |
19:16:42 | T0mas | oooh |
19:16:49 | T0mas | that's intelligent customers at least |
19:16:59 | kergoth | so i had the fun experiences like walking a school cafeteria lady through using vi to edit her /etc/inittab on an ancient SCO openserver machine to fix her terminals. |
19:17:06 | kergoth | fraid not |
19:17:21 | T0mas | lol |
19:17:24 | T0mas | and did it work? |
19:17:29 | kergoth | eventually.. |
19:17:34 | kergoth | after much banging my head on my desk |
19:17:35 | * | T0mas would ask for SSH access... |
19:17:49 | kergoth | the Mute button is a godsend. |
19:18:05 | T0mas | vi is just not idiot proof... |
19:18:10 | kergoth | "why yes ma'am, just do.." *mute* "GOD DAMN STUPID FUCKING WHORE" *mute* "right, yeah, just hit :wq" |
19:18:27 | kergoth | :) |
19:18:28 | T0mas | "Yes, you have to type :w filename.txt"... "No, not ; it really has to be :" |
19:18:36 | kergoth | yeah, exactly. no fun |
19:18:49 | kergoth | and good luck figuring out if they're in insert or command mode |
19:18:51 | * | kergoth shudders |
19:18:57 | T0mas | lol |
19:19:00 | T0mas | yeah... |
19:19:20 | rasher | vi is pretty hostile |
19:19:35 | T0mas | "Hit escape untill it starts beeping. Then type I, you can now type." |
19:19:38 | kergoth | hehe |
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19:20:07 | T0mas | What? you didn't want to type there? *mute* IDIOT!!! *mute* ok, use the escape till beep again |
19:20:18 | T0mas | now move to where you wanted to type |
19:20:39 | T0mas | WHAT? You didn't want to type in vi help? you wanted to open a file? |
19:20:43 | T0mas | :P |
19:21:54 | kergoth | hehe. vi is wonderfully efficient.. once you know it. until then, god help you |
19:22:20 | kergoth | its 12:30pm and i havent yet gone into work |
19:22:22 | kergoth | hmm |
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19:26:43 | rasher | well.. vim is fine |
19:26:54 | rasher | vi is just a tad too.. simple for my taste |
19:45:25 | * | rasher yawns |
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20:04:07 | T0mas | ARG... |
20:04:27 | * | T0mas has to find an association with the feeling "desire" for a dutch test... |
20:04:36 | T0mas | well... actually.. 5... |
20:05:06 | T0mas | I have: vacation, sex and food... anybody has a good suggestion for others? |
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20:18:35 | preglow | desire right now would be: twenty bottles of the most expensive beer i can find, two large pizzas and a pack of smokes |
20:18:41 | preglow | that and no pc |
20:23:13 | T0mas | yeah, that's food ;) |
20:23:34 | T0mas | My other chat channel came with freedome... and power... |
20:24:25 | preglow | hahah |
20:24:26 | preglow | power... |
20:24:34 | preglow | i can do without power |
20:28:58 | HCl | heh. |
20:29:05 | HCl | power usually gets abused |
20:29:19 | T0mas | yeah, but it's a desire... |
20:29:26 | T0mas | why start wars? for money and power... |
20:30:21 | HCl | a lot of desires are rather dumb, if you ask me. |
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20:35:42 | mirak | hi |
20:36:10 | mirak | should rock box be able to achieve better performance on video for iH320 ? |
20:36:26 | mirak | better than 10 fps |
20:36:32 | mirak | I am wondering |
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20:47:59 | preglow | ghagag |
20:48:09 | preglow | what makes you think we're planning on adding video support? |
20:48:33 | preglow | 10 frames per second on that cpu is nothing short of miraculous anyway |
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21:12:59 | mirak | considering the resolution |
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21:34:17 | rasher | I think the solution to dumb users is to require all new computers to include a huge red light near monitor, and have it flash brightly when any critical security decision is to be made |
21:34:36 | HCl | o.O |
21:35:16 | rasher | They say education is the way, I'm all for intimidation instead |
21:35:37 | rasher | With a bit of luck, dumb users would get scared and asked someone who actually knows what he's doing |
21:36:09 | rasher | instead of just blindly clicking "yes" because "I want that free screensaver that keeps my computer clock accurate and enhances my mortgage" |
21:36:54 | rasher | Or at the very least, we'd get to ask in a stern voice "Did you click yes when the RED LIGHT BLINKED?!" |
21:37:16 | HCl | microsoft is recently doing stuff against that kind of stuff... |
21:37:36 | preglow | rasher: ahahaha |
21:37:57 | preglow | HCl: well, of course, they think everyone should be allowed to use a computer regardless of whether they know how to use it |
21:38:14 | preglow | let's unleash people without drivers licenses on the roads! |
21:38:24 | preglow | that's a bit on the edge, but... |
21:38:24 | HCl | mmmmmm... |
21:38:26 | HCl | well. |
21:38:36 | HCl | i realized a while ago |
21:38:45 | HCl | that there's no point in being frustrated about stupid people. |
21:39:05 | preglow | of course not |
21:39:08 | preglow | i just try to avoid them |
21:39:11 | preglow | i'm doing very well at it |
21:40:18 | HCl | *nods* |
21:40:20 | HCl | i do the same. |
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21:42:16 | rasher | well, people without driver's licenses... that's actually sortof close |
21:42:26 | rasher | only tthey're not driving normal cars, but tanks that shoot people randomly |
21:42:34 | preglow | haha |
21:42:36 | preglow | and they're not lethal |
21:42:42 | rasher | well no |
21:42:44 | rasher | there's that |
21:42:54 | preglow | but it's a point, of course |
21:42:55 | rasher | but it's still PRETTY DARN ANNOYING |
21:42:58 | preglow | computers are complicated things |
21:43:06 | preglow | and somehow you're not expected to actually know anything about them |
21:44:48 | rasher | http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~yweiss/Colorization/ |
21:44:52 | rasher | that's pretty darn cool |
21:44:54 | thegeek | indeed |
21:45:06 | thegeek | especially the animated clips |
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21:46:14 | rasher | haha, the recolouring is great |
21:46:22 | rasher | "I want this... green!" |
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21:46:57 | rasher | in fact, that is awesome |
21:47:27 | CoCoLUS | hm |
21:47:29 | CoCoLUS | doesn't work for me :( |
21:47:33 | CoCoLUS | dns error |
21:48:04 | rasher | slashdottet |
21:48:12 | rasher | shouldn't give a dns error though, I guess |
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21:48:36 | CoCoLUS | well you know... ie error messages... |
21:49:13 | rasher | oh |
21:49:16 | HCl | yea, same. |
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22:11:31 | T0mas | LOL |
22:11:32 | T0mas | C:\>tracert -d 172.16.0.4 |
22:11:32 | T0mas | Bezig met het traceren van de route naar 172.16.0.4 via maximaal 30 hops |
22:11:32 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK T0mas |
22:11:32 | T0mas | 1 1 ms 4 ms 3 ms 172.16.0.1 |
22:11:32 | T0mas | 2 40 ms 21 ms 35 ms 172.16.0.4 |
22:11:32 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
22:11:32 | T0mas | 3 26 ms 22 ms 41 ms 172.16.0.4 |
22:11:52 | T0mas | and guess what... it continues like this forever |
22:11:54 | rasher | localized stuff >< |
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22:12:14 | T0mas | set 4 to 30 is all 172.16.0.4 |
22:12:19 | T0mas | but that are two pc's... |
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22:12:30 | rasher | excellent |
22:12:35 | T0mas | and the owner is asking why he can't connect... |
22:12:37 | T0mas | lol |
22:12:51 | T0mas | my neighbours are not really pc friendly... |
22:20:21 | T0mas | hm... |
22:20:28 | T0mas | I'll see that tomorrow... |
22:20:55 | T0mas | have to be at the station on 6:30 :( |
22:21:05 | T0mas | so i'm going to bed |
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22:22:43 | HCl | ohh. |
22:22:46 | HCl | it suddenly started working. |
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22:25:32 | rasher | "it"? |
22:26:11 | HCl | the site. |
22:26:27 | rasher | oh ah |
22:28:21 | CoCoLUS | lucky you :) |
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22:30:52 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
22:30:52 | * | tvelocity np Raphael Marionneau - Abstrait (Njoy) 06/02/2005 |
22:31:59 | CoCoLUS | now working :) |
22:32:15 | CoCoLUS | seems somewhat... faked |
22:32:35 | HCl | it does. |
22:33:08 | thegeek | where what who? |
22:33:31 | rasher | I doubt it, it's a university.. plus some guy on /. used their code on some pictures of his own |
22:33:37 | CoCoLUS | headlines like "new compression algo - whole dvds on a floppy" come to mind :) |
22:33:52 | HCl | heh. |
22:33:54 | HCl | well. |
22:34:02 | HCl | there once was this guy in the netherlands, i think? |
22:34:13 | CoCoLUS | like, been there, done that, but hey, sometimes there has to be a genius :) |
22:34:21 | HCl | who had devised a way of putting 4 movies in the amount of silicon that normally stores 32kb |
22:34:29 | HCl | but the day he was gonna sell his patent |
22:34:31 | HCl | he was murdered |
22:34:37 | HCl | and all of his notes were stolen and cleaned out |
22:34:42 | rasher | o.O |
22:34:44 | CoCoLUS | sounds like a tv episode :) |
22:34:47 | HCl | its not :/ |
22:34:52 | HCl | unfortunately. |
22:35:03 | CoCoLUS | you think it's true? |
22:35:08 | HCl | either its been destroyed, or someone has that technoligy but doesn't want to publish it. |
22:35:10 | thegeek | urban legend deluxe |
22:35:15 | Bagder | I bet he was killed by the same aliens that kidnapped Elvis |
22:35:18 | thegeek | hehehe |
22:35:22 | HCl | i honestly don't know. it was on the tv news, national channel |
22:35:26 | HCl | not one of the commercial channels. |
22:35:46 | thegeek | hehehe |
22:35:55 | thegeek | I saw it on tv, it MUST be true:) |
22:36:00 | thegeek | ;) |
22:36:20 | CoCoLUS | sounds like "rtl 2 news" :P |
22:36:39 | rasher | I should probably dream up some food... :-\ |
22:37:04 | tvelocity | sounds like the movie "antitrust" :P |
22:37:15 | thegeek | I just had 1 liter of tomato soup, a whole box of macaronis, some bread and cola |
22:37:19 | thegeek | quite full now |
22:37:24 | rasher | that was a rather silly movie I think |
22:37:38 | tvelocity | i liked it |
22:37:45 | rasher | I think the menu here says chicken and potatoes |
22:38:40 | rasher | Hahahahaha |
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22:39:27 | rasher | Apparently they're dropping Q from the next James Bond movie, because.. "They're afraid Cleese's appearance will ruin the concept of a serious James Bond movie" |
22:39:39 | rasher | Hold on a second, when was James Bond movies ever serious!? |
22:40:07 | thegeek | what!? |
22:40:15 | HCl | um. |
22:40:24 | thegeek | q is the best bond movie character! |
22:40:25 | tvelocity | james bind is based on a true story, don't you know that? |
22:40:26 | tvelocity | :P |
22:40:30 | HCl | was q the old guy? |
22:40:32 | HCl | or the new woman? |
22:40:34 | rasher | Yup |
22:40:38 | rasher | old guy |
22:40:47 | thegeek | gotta love those gadgets |
22:40:50 | HCl | didn't he... die.. several years ago? |
22:40:51 | HCl | >.>; |
22:40:52 | HCl | irl? |
22:41:04 | thegeek | hmm |
22:41:04 | rasher | The old one did, John Cleese took over |
22:41:06 | HCl | he hasn't *been* in the last james bond movies. |
22:41:10 | HCl | oh. |
22:41:11 | HCl | okay. |
22:41:11 | HCl | sorry |
22:41:16 | thegeek | well |
22:41:17 | HCl | i really suck horridly at names |
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22:55:51 | alxcm | hey guys :) |
22:56:28 | alxcm | anyone ever heard of APE format? |
22:57:40 | Seed | of course |
22:57:48 | alxcm | planned support...? |
22:57:57 | Seed | I doubt it |
22:58:03 | Seed | the license is an issue |
22:58:16 | alxcm | ah |
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23:10:22 | amiconn | rasher: Still trying to figure why the bitmap is drawn in multiple parts? I may have an explanation... |
23:11:11 | amiconn | ...lcd_bitmap() used to have problems with drawing bitmaps >8 pixels high. I fixed that, several months ago |
23:24:41 | rasher | ah, I assumed it was something like that |
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23:25:12 | rasher | or that it could be a speed-optimization - didn't make much sense though |
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23:26:13 | Bluechip | box |
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23:26:38 | Bluechip | the window popped up mid sentence and stole focus |
23:26:49 | rasher | heh |
23:26:56 | amiconn | Nasty wind |
23:26:58 | amiconn | oqw |
23:27:16 | Bluechip | oh riight - lol - I've just realised where I am |
23:27:18 | Bluechip | LOL |
23:27:27 | Bluechip | evenin' fellow Rockboxers |
23:27:52 | rasher | hello |
23:28:13 | Bluechip | well, while I'm here (albeit by acccident) ...any gmini devs in? |
23:29:37 | amiconn | Doesn't seem so, unfortunately |
23:30:04 | Bluechip | How are you keepin' ami? |
23:30:46 | amiconn | Hmm. Currently I'm annoyed with x11. Seems I need to install Linux somehow, in a VM or so |
23:31:11 | amiconn | Time consuming task... |
23:32:07 | Bluechip | Why not use the win32sim? |
23:33:14 | amiconn | I want to improve the x11 sim. Especially the button handling has problems |
23:33:38 | amiconn | Didn't think that x11 is so... stubborn |
23:34:12 | CoCoLUS | use xorg :) |
23:34:19 | amiconn | ? |
23:35:35 | Bluechip | hmmm, suppose you _need_ to install Linux then :( |
23:36:03 | mirak | iRiver is arm ? |
23:36:14 | mirak | ARM cpu |
23:36:15 | mirak | ? |
23:36:28 | amiconn | The problem is: My improvements work, and they work as intended in cygwin x11, but there are problems reported in real Linux |
23:37:11 | amiconn | mirak: Some of the iriver flash players are arm based. The ihp series are not. They are coldfire based |
23:37:27 | mirak | H3x0 are what ? |
23:37:56 | mirak | do you use system emulation ? |
23:38:10 | rasher | amiconn: why not just dual-boot? |
23:38:11 | mirak | to test the firmware ? |
23:38:32 | amiconn | rasher: That would be even more cumbersome. |
23:38:44 | rasher | buy another computer :) |
23:38:53 | mirak | amiconn: you should only use linux anyway |
23:38:54 | amiconn | Dual boot == choose beforehand what to run. With vm I can have both at once |
23:38:55 | mirak | :) |
23:39:04 | tvelocity[away] | or start using only linux |
23:39:16 | tvelocity[away] | or at least mainly linux |
23:39:16 | tvelocity[away] | :P |
23:39:19 | amiconn | mirak: Certainly not a good option, especially wit a laptop |
23:39:25 | mirak | amiconn: I have a XP installation |
23:39:32 | mirak | amiconn: that I run inside qemu |
23:39:44 | mirak | amiconn: I also tried colinux |
23:39:49 | mirak | wich is I thin what you need |
23:39:53 | mirak | think |
23:39:57 | kergoth | colinux is really nice |
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23:40:09 | amiconn | I think it would take several days of intensive work and research to get all the hardware running |
23:40:12 | mirak | with colinux when I am on windows, I can run my linux system |
23:40:24 | mirak | they are in dual boot |
23:40:28 | * | rasher punches gaim |
23:40:30 | mirak | but I can run linux from windows |
23:40:45 | mirak | well, not anymore, because windows hard drive died |
23:41:06 | kergoth | i run XP on my workstation for gaming reasons, and use colinux for development to avoid the hassles of dual booting |
23:41:09 | kergoth | works well |
23:41:21 | amiconn | It's just not worth the effort. With linux I need more work to get it running, for less benefit |
23:41:41 | mirak | amiconn: depends of the ditribution |
23:42:03 | mirak | but yes, if you are unexperienced you will lose time adapting |
23:42:12 | mirak | you can call that time investement |
23:42:20 | amiconn | I tried some distros in th epast years |
23:42:32 | mirak | well, with qemu, there should be a way to emulate an iriver |
23:42:37 | amiconn | There are endless problems to get all hardware running, and less software |
23:42:39 | mirak | arm arch is upported |
23:42:41 | kergoth | qemu emulates ARM. thats it. |
23:42:47 | kergoth | theres a lot more to an arm device than the arm core. |
23:42:58 | mirak | an arm system |
23:43:08 | rasher | recently, the amount of work needed to get things running amounts to basically a) wifi problems b) setup of whichever software you want |
23:43:24 | rasher | in my experience, of course |
23:43:29 | mirak | try distribution like ubuntu |
23:43:29 | amiconn | Wifi, gfx, sound, bluetooth... my list is endless |
23:43:37 | tvelocity[away] | ubuntu rocks |
23:43:42 | amiconn | It never worked for me out of the box |
23:43:50 | kergoth | that all works fine out of the box in a decent distro. |
23:44:03 | tvelocity[away] | but stay away from RPM based distros |
23:44:15 | mirak | amiconn: for how long didn't you tried linux ? |
23:44:15 | rasher | depends on the wifi |
23:44:30 | amiconn | My last try was some weeks ago |
23:44:33 | rasher | I haven't yet seen a distro eat my laptop wifi chipset |
23:44:34 | mirak | lol |
23:45:24 | mirak | do you have the full specs of the iriver ? |
23:45:32 | mirak | I mean how did you managed to write drivers ? |
23:45:41 | mirak | or even to hack te firmware ? |
23:45:57 | kergoth | i'd imagine the same way you port linux to any device without docs. painfully. |
23:46:05 | mirak | mmm |
23:46:06 | mirak | lol |
23:47:04 | rasher | the hardware on iriver is more or less fully documented I think |
23:47:31 | rasher | on the h100 series, at least |
23:48:19 | amiconn | mirak: To name some of the problems (I know of or I actually ran into): AVM BlueFritz, NVidia network driver, NVidia 3d accellerated gfx driver, Canon printer, Intel wifi |
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23:49:21 | rasher | Odd, at the very least, nvidia 3d driver should work out of the box on most distros |
23:50:07 | amiconn | You need to compile the 'glue' binary, or at least that was necessary when I tried last time, some months ago |
23:50:23 | tvelocity[away] | nvidia glx? |
23:50:28 | rasher | which distro? |
23:50:33 | tvelocity[away] | that works perfectly man |
23:50:34 | amiconn | Couldn't do that because the distro even refused to install the kernel sources |
23:50:56 | amiconn | And without kernel sources -> no compilation possible |
23:51:07 | rasher | *nod*, which distro was this? |
23:51:20 | amiconn | SuSE 9.0 |
23:51:27 | rasher | oh |
23:51:29 | tvelocity[away] | OMG! a rpm-based distro! |
23:51:37 | rasher | I know exactly nothing about suse |
23:51:40 | HCl | suse. |
23:51:40 | HCl | ew. |
23:51:41 | tvelocity[away] | BAD BAD BAD! BURN IT:P |
23:51:45 | kergoth | hah |
23:51:47 | HCl | i have a server that i'm supposed to manage |
23:51:48 | HCl | that runs suse |
23:51:57 | rasher | tvelocity[away]: dude.. it's a package system.. |
23:51:59 | * | amiconn is about to try debian now (on vmware) |
23:52:06 | HCl | debian is nice. |
23:52:09 | kergoth | rpm itself isnt that bad. just happens that all of the rpm based distros are _redhat_ derived. |
23:52:10 | HCl | i run debian on my server |
23:52:14 | kergoth | which is the issue |
23:52:28 | tvelocity[away] | rasher, yes, a very BAD one :P |
23:52:29 | amiconn | SuSE isn't redhat derived |
23:52:32 | HCl | ubuntu is okay for workstation-linux since it has newer stuff and x.org |
23:52:45 | rasher | tvelocity[away]: why's that? |
23:53:06 | kergoth | amiconn: eh? |
23:53:10 | mirak | amiconn: if you have always the very last hardware linux will not be ok for sure |
23:53:20 | tvelocity[away] | rasher, i don't even know where to start. it's SO broken |
23:53:28 | HCl | well. |
23:53:39 | mirak | amiconn: but this will evolve |
23:53:40 | HCl | since i've had 0 problems with debian packages and countless with rpms. |
23:53:43 | rasher | I... see. |
23:53:52 | amiconn | I don't have the very last hardware. No interest in that, because of no (3d) gaming |
23:53:52 | HCl | i have no choice but to agree with tvelocity[away] as far as my experience goes. |
23:54:01 | rasher | Thing is.. debs expect a centralized package repository |
23:54:04 | rasher | more or less |
23:54:05 | mirak | amiconn: if I use linux, it's mostly because some of the softaware are the best, like the mp3 player amarok |
23:54:09 | HCl | yes. |
23:54:12 | kergoth | rasher: ? |
23:54:12 | mirak | gaim, xchat |
23:54:16 | mirak | etcetera |
23:54:20 | tvelocity[away] | if apt-rpm and URPM didnt exist, RPM would have died a long time ago |
23:54:40 | rasher | kergoth: Depending on packages and package-versions, rather than files, as rpm (can) |
23:54:54 | tvelocity[away] | but even these are just ugly hacks not a real solution to the rpm problem |
23:54:56 | kergoth | rasher: ah, indeed. i do like that feature of rpm |
23:55:07 | kergoth | which is part of why i say the problem is redhatisms, not rpm itself |
23:55:16 | kergoth | the .spec format is really quite well done, for example. |
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23:55:20 | kergoth | cant say i'm a fan of cpio, but hey |
23:55:31 | mirak | amiconn: if you remove from windows the games, I don't see much things in favor of windowsw |
23:55:35 | tvelocity[away] | i will agree about the .spec |
23:55:47 | mirak | I agree wifi stuff may be a problem :) |
23:55:53 | mirak | but I don't have this |
23:56:00 | rasher | urmp is exactly analog to apt |
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23:56:11 | mirak | it's to technologicaly advanced for me :) |
23:56:21 | rasher | I seriously don't see how you can claim one being better than the other |
23:56:29 | kergoth | the latest rpm versions are actually using sqlite for their db now :D |
23:56:33 | kergoth | down with berkeley db! |
23:56:46 | amiconn | mirak: Well, windows just runs, while linux requires a fair amount of work to make it work |
23:56:58 | rasher | berkeley db is ... annoying |
23:57:00 | amiconn | Then there are many more programs for windows than for linux |
23:57:05 | mirak | amiconn: still to much yes |
23:57:11 | mirak | amiconn: but see OS X |
23:57:16 | amiconn | (Especially *not*counting the games) |
23:57:18 | rasher | breaking compatibility ever other point release |
23:57:18 | mirak | amiconn: it's based on BSD |
23:57:27 | mirak | amiconn: that's a proof that's it's feasible |
23:57:44 | kergoth | heh, nowadays you can run just about everything in wine, even ms office, IE, and most modern games |
23:57:49 | kergoth | but yeah, still not quite there |
23:57:55 | mirak | amiconn: it's like linux world is just realising that making things that just work can be a good idea |
23:58:08 | rasher | os x really has an advantage in not having to bother with hardware support much |
23:58:23 | rasher | as in, there's a finite set of devices and configurations to support |
23:58:35 | mirak | kergoth: I barealy can run something with wine |
23:58:37 | mirak | I mean games |
23:58:44 | mirak | I managed to make run winrar |
23:58:47 | mirak | that's usefull |
23:58:57 | rasher | oh but it is :) |
23:59:00 | kergoth | i've run a number of directx8 games. not 9, but 8 |