| 00:00:00 | kergoth | and with cedega, if you report the problems, they'll actually attempt to fix them |
| 00:00:02 | mirak | style |
| 00:00:24 | mirak | I don't have checked if it's now supproted |
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| 00:00:34 | mirak | but since my windows disk died |
| 00:00:36 | kergoth | i am running windows for gaming now though. wine is good, but not perfect. some games wont work |
| 00:00:41 | mirak | I have lost my savegames :-/ |
| 00:00:50 | kergoth | ouch |
| 00:00:56 | kergoth | i swear i lose my bookmarks like 3 times a year |
| 00:01:09 | rasher | yay, gcc4.0 including Fortran95 support :-> |
| 00:01:32 | amiconn | mirak: Show me the equivalent of RDP on linux ;) |
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| 00:02:12 | kergoth | amiconn: eh? |
| 00:02:17 | kergoth | amiconn: you mean.. like.. http://www.rdesktop.org/? |
| 00:02:18 | kergoth | or vnc? |
| 00:02:19 | kergoth | or..? |
| 00:02:38 | amiconn | I mean RDP, remote desktop. And not only the client side. |
| 00:02:50 | kergoth | then say what you mean. |
| 00:02:54 | amiconn | I use rdp very often |
| 00:02:57 | tvelocity[away] | NVC? |
| 00:03:08 | tvelocity[away] | VNC even |
| 00:03:17 | kergoth | vnc works well. not as well as rdp, but it gets the job done |
| 00:03:31 | amiconn | VNC is tad slow compared to RDP |
| 00:03:34 | tvelocity[away] | also plain X works great in a lan |
| 00:03:36 | | Part Bluechip |
| 00:03:39 | kergoth | its a less efficient protocol |
| 00:03:42 | kergoth | (vnc is, that is) |
| 00:03:55 | amiconn | tvelocity[away]: X is not comparable with RDP |
| 00:03:56 | rasher | plain x is dreamy |
| 00:04:06 | amiconn | With X, my session dies when I disconnect |
| 00:04:26 | tvelocity[away] | then use VNC |
| 00:04:41 | amiconn | With RDP, I can start to work, disconnect, reconnect to my session from anywhere else and continue where I left off |
| 00:04:50 | tvelocity[away] | i actually know more people that use VNC (on windows) than RDP |
| 00:04:51 | | Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") |
| 00:04:59 | amiconn | tvelocity[away]: That's no real alternative |
| 00:05:06 | amiconn | VNC is simply way too slow |
| 00:05:17 | kergoth | its a viable alternative for all sorts of people |
| 00:05:20 | kergoth | perhaps not _for you_ |
| 00:05:24 | kergoth | but yes, it is. |
| 00:05:25 | amiconn | RDP even works over ISDN or modem. No way with VNC |
| 00:05:37 | mirak | amiconn: NX |
| 00:05:45 | kergoth | nx does look interesting |
| 00:05:45 | amiconn | (I mean, works as in being usable for actual work)+ |
| 00:05:51 | mirak | I use NX |
| 00:05:59 | mirak | this really works |
| 00:06:00 | kergoth | it work well? |
| 00:06:01 | tvelocity[away] | i USE VNC on ISDN |
| 00:06:02 | kergoth | cool |
| 00:06:06 | mirak | even on a 56k line it's usable |
| 00:06:14 | mirak | that's incredible |
| 00:06:27 | mirak | this have nothing to do with VNC |
| 00:06:35 | mirak | that's uncomparable |
| 00:06:56 | mirak | amiconn: the NX client support RDP by the way |
| 00:08:25 | mirak | tvelocity[away]: vnc is horrible |
| 00:08:53 | mirak | could rockbox work on the iPod ? |
| 00:09:05 | tvelocity[away] | i don't see why RDP is better |
| 00:09:14 | amiconn | NX costs money... Now tell me why I should buy it when I can have RDP for free (WinXP came bundled with my laptop) |
| 00:09:41 | mirak | amiconn: it doesnt cost money |
| 00:09:49 | rasher | NX is Free. |
| 00:09:51 | mirak | amiconn: /join #NX |
| 00:09:58 | mirak | NX is gpl |
| 00:10:02 | mirak | nxserver |
| 00:10:09 | mirak | only the client is closed source |
| 00:10:11 | rasher | rdp on the other hand... |
| 00:10:14 | mirak | but there is alternatives |
| 00:10:20 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe I found the wrong site |
| 00:10:25 | mirak | anyway the nxclient is free |
| 00:10:38 | mirak | amiconn: nomachine nxclient is good |
| 00:10:42 | mirak | and free |
| 00:10:47 | rasher | amiconn: the people who made it are trying to make money in some way |
| 00:10:48 | mirak | I mean free of charge |
| 00:10:57 | rasher | afaik |
| 00:11:11 | rasher | but a Free version is available |
| 00:11:13 | mirak | they are doing like cedega |
| 00:11:34 | mirak | it's the same model than cedega in fact |
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| 00:16:22 | HCl | heh |
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| 00:18:42 | HCl | mrf |
| 00:18:42 | HCl | well. |
| 00:18:45 | HCl | me go sleep. |
| 00:18:47 | HCl | and stuff. |
| 00:18:59 | HCl | HCl->sleep_and_dream_happy_things(); |
| 00:24:28 | rasher | sleep... and stuff? |
| 00:24:36 | rasher | ;) |
| 00:24:52 | HCl | ? o.o. |
| 00:25:09 | HCl | well, i gotta brush my teeth and get in bed and o.o. |
| 00:25:20 | HCl | eat candy and drink some water and then go sleep :x |
| 00:25:37 | rasher | suuuuureeee |
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| 00:26:37 | HCl | o.o |
| 00:27:03 | rasher | hm.. this is pretty bad chicken.. |
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| 00:32:20 | geoff_o | Does anyone working on Rockbox live in Spain? |
| 00:33:14 | * | rasher . o O ( worldmap of rockbox developers ) |
| 00:33:50 | geoff_o | Yeah.. thankfully geography isn't normally an issue. |
| 00:35:33 | geoff_o | I know someone in spain with a broken mp3 player. If there's someone with access to an electronics lab nearby, it might be worth trying to read the firmware directly from its chips. |
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| 00:36:05 | geoff_o | (Failing that, there's always overseas shipping.) |
| 00:37:05 | HCl | what'd he do? |
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| 00:37:16 | geoff_o | Insert the battery backwards. |
| 00:37:28 | * | geoff_o guesses the magic smoke escaped |
| 00:37:38 | HCl | oh. right. |
| 00:37:42 | rasher | what kind of player is it? |
| 00:37:46 | * | HCl assumed iriver, but obviously. |
| 00:38:01 | geoff_o | iFP195 |
| 00:39:07 | geoff_o | http://www.iriver.com/html/product/prpa_product.asp?pidx=38 |
| 00:39:42 | * | rasher dares not click iriver.com links |
| 00:40:28 | * | geoff_o comforts rasher "there, there.." |
| 00:41:06 | rasher | it is truly the website from hell |
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| 00:41:56 | geoff_o | It's very heavy in (flash/java/something evil-that-still-runs-in-firefox-linux).. and I end up using the 'sitemap' to navigate. |
| 00:43:12 | rasher | flash |
| 00:59:24 | rasher | Hm. |
| 00:59:27 | rasher | Still here? |
| 00:59:45 | geoff_o | I'm just resting my eyes! I swear! |
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| 01:00:16 | rasher | Poink. |
| 01:00:45 | amiconn | debian net install takes some time... |
| 01:00:57 | rasher | depending on your network connection |
| 01:01:09 | amiconn | 1 MBit/s |
| 01:01:39 | rasher | lucky bastard |
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| 01:03:37 | * | rasher cries and cries |
| 01:04:32 | rasher | oh haha.. maybe if it wasn't over wifi... |
| 01:05:27 | geoff_o | You think you have it bad? I'm calling from a payphone and my voice is about to give out! |
| 01:09:19 | rasher | and here I just bothered to connect my laptop with utp |
| 01:09:48 | rasher | and then the other laptop is using wifi.. |
| 01:11:27 | rasher | silly me |
| 01:11:47 | rasher | 11mbps is so painful |
| 01:12:11 | rasher | it's like going back to 1996 |
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| 01:55:22 | H120Owner | i saw on the wiki that MP3 and OGG play but i couldn't get iRiver Rockbox to play a file |
| 01:55:53 | rasher | You must've misread, or not read close enough. |
| 01:56:01 | H120Owner | why? |
| 01:56:06 | rasher | It *decodes* mp3 and ogg |
| 01:56:17 | rasher | it doesn't get played yet |
| 01:56:30 | geoff_o | Which player do you own? |
| 01:56:35 | rasher | because the internal structure/buffering/etc is not in place yet |
| 01:56:52 | H120Owner | have an H120 |
| 01:57:21 | Bippy | oooo yellowstone has started to change |
| 01:57:31 | rasher | so right now the codecs just output to a file |
| 01:57:40 | geoff_o | rl.. ttyl. |
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| 01:57:46 | H120Owner | so the codecs output to a wav file? |
| 01:57:50 | * | rasher adds a clarification to the wiki |
| 01:58:04 | rasher | Yup |
| 01:58:47 | H120Owner | can wav files be played? |
| 01:59:00 | rasher | Still a no :) |
| 01:59:37 | H120Owner | man the iriver f/w would be so cool if shuffle worked like its supposed to |
| 01:59:40 | Bippy | Rockbox is useless to end users at the moment fullstop, just wait it out |
| 01:59:49 | rasher | Though possible, this hasn't entered cvs because it will have to be connected to the codec api |
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| 02:00:00 | rasher | which isn't done |
| 02:00:04 | rasher | or started |
| 02:00:27 | Bippy | Go start it now then, you might have it done by tommorow |
| 02:00:47 | rasher | :X |
| 02:00:54 | Bippy | :| |
| 02:01:02 | rasher | I'm not complaining, just explaining, in case that wasn't clear |
| 02:02:14 | Bippy | :| im not complaining either, i dont know how to code firmware |
| 02:02:55 | rasher | The codec api would be a pure C job |
| 02:04:03 | Bippy | i can study a volcano if that helps :) |
| 02:04:34 | rasher | Hah |
| 02:04:51 | Bippy | ? |
| 02:05:37 | rasher | Just amused :) |
| 02:06:49 | Bippy | How come, being a Volcanologist is great |
| 02:07:25 | rasher | But it doesn't exactly help.. just the way you said it |
| 02:08:35 | Bippy | well, if you live near a volcanoe, i could tell you when or if its likley to erupt |
| 02:08:44 | Bippy | that could help |
| 02:09:34 | rasher | True.. Denmark isn't exactly known for seismic (do volcanoes go under that as well?) activity though :) |
| 02:11:16 | Bippy | Volcanoes go under seismic measurements yes |
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| 02:12:18 | Bippy | Mainly due to eruptions can be caused by quakes |
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| 02:13:29 | Bippy | They can break the crust and increase thermal activity |
| 02:17:52 | rasher | shouldn't happen anywhere near northern europe :) |
| 02:18:05 | Bippy | Anyway, im off now, stay away from YellowStone, i heard reports of large magma movement, which isnt always good, especially when the caldera is so thin |
| 02:18:48 | rasher | :-\ |
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| 02:19:10 | Bippy | How long do you think the F/W will take now, dont say when its ready, everything has an estimate |
| 02:19:47 | rasher | it's very hard to tell |
| 02:20:12 | rasher | whenever someone starts working on the codec api |
| 02:20:26 | Bippy | When will that happen |
| 02:20:52 | rasher | it would probably get into a useable (in a loose sense of that word) shape pretty fast |
| 02:21:03 | Bippy | 3 months ? |
| 02:21:13 | rasher | Noone knows.. the two people who said they're going to work on it are currently awol |
| 02:21:38 | rasher | I'd say probably less than 3 months at least |
| 02:21:47 | rasher | but this is coming from a non-dev, mind |
| 02:22:02 | Bippy | ok then |
| 02:22:28 | Bippy | Well im off, ill pop in again sometime |
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| 02:22:35 | rasher | So this is mine and just my opinion |
| 02:22:41 | rasher | too late. |
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| 02:29:17 | rasher | God help me, I'm about to install gentoo |
| 02:29:29 | rasher | I uh.. think |
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| 02:50:06 | HCl | yawn. |
| 02:50:52 | rasher | Mmm |
| 02:51:01 | HCl | gentoo isn't everything |
| 02:51:06 | HCl | it takes too long to compile everything |
| 02:51:16 | rasher | I'm fully aware of that |
| 02:51:17 | HCl | its just not very practical. |
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| 02:51:33 | rasher | I'm hoping to get a useable machine going that won't need a lot of update |
| 02:51:38 | HCl | mhm |
| 02:51:49 | rasher | plus, it's so slow that it really could use that extra 2% speed |
| 02:51:55 | HCl | lol. |
| 02:52:00 | HCl | what kind of machine is it? |
| 02:52:01 | rasher | (hoping to get distcc running for the compiling) |
| 02:52:12 | rasher | PII-M 400mhz |
| 02:52:19 | HCl | not too slow... |
| 02:52:19 | rasher | but it just... crawls |
| 02:52:25 | HCl | mk... |
| 02:52:32 | rasher | very bad gfx card |
| 02:52:34 | HCl | well. |
| 02:52:39 | HCl | i said i was going to sleep 3 hours ago. |
| 02:52:46 | HCl | but people have been bugging me ever since |
| 02:52:47 | rasher | :) |
| 02:53:05 | HCl | so let me once again state that a lot of people suck, bureaucratic people suck, and i'm going to sleep. |
| 02:53:08 | midk | HCl: you've got quite a thing with "mk" which always sets off my xchat alert. |
| 02:53:08 | HCl | nightnight... |
| 02:53:18 | HCl | xD |
| 02:53:19 | HCl | sorry. |
| 02:53:31 | HCl | its "mmmm, okay" |
| 02:53:33 | HCl | translated. |
| 02:53:38 | HCl | just the short version :p |
| 02:53:46 | midk | yep. no probs. :) |
| 02:53:52 | HCl | night. |
| 02:53:54 | midk | i'll take it off the alert list. |
| 02:54:04 | midk | nobody ever calls me it anyways, :p |
| 02:54:34 | midk | "midi" is another problem in this channel. haha |
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| 03:11:42 | rasher | ah, now I remember why I dislike that laptop... it won't boot from ANYTHING but harddisk (almost) |
| 03:13:38 | * | rasher jumps through hoops |
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| 03:42:14 | rasher | "The recommended setup is a 64 meg boot volume with ext2, a swap partition twice the size of your available RAM, and the rest for your root partition using ReiserFS." |
| 03:42:19 | rasher | what ARE these guys smoking!? |
| 03:42:28 | rasher | (Gentoo install docs) |
| 03:50:38 | Rick | why do I not remember that? |
| 03:50:47 | Rick | I remember Gentoo's install docs explaining the different options |
| 03:51:20 | Rick | oh well |
| 03:52:29 | rasher | well I have the "quickinstall" doc |
| 03:52:47 | rasher | Maybe assuming that the instructions are the same, just more condensed is silly of me |
| 03:53:30 | Rick | dunno |
| 03:53:40 | Rick | could be different |
| 03:53:47 | Rick | I havn't looked at the Gentoo install docs in years |
| 03:53:47 | rasher | recommending boot volumes is so last millenium |
| 03:54:07 | rasher | also, reiserfs?! |
| 03:54:17 | Rick | journaling is always a good thing |
| 03:54:37 | rasher | well... I'd prefer a journalling fs that isn't horrible and eats babies |
| 03:54:41 | rasher | like, say ext3 |
| 03:54:44 | Rick | hehe |
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| 07:59:56 | amiconn | Gah... linux starts to annoy me again |
| 08:00 |
| 08:00:19 | LinusN | glad you didn't say "linus" |
| 08:00:22 | dwihno | :-) |
| 08:00:26 | dwihno | Morning peeps! |
| 08:00:34 | LinusN | hey |
| 08:00:34 | amiconn | morning |
| 08:00:42 | amiconn | LinusN: Of course not.... |
| 08:01:21 | LinusN | :-) |
| 08:01:31 | amiconn | Trying to install debian on vmware, and configuring vmware tools -> I don't get it :( |
| 08:02:03 | amiconn | Found an article, saying I need the kernel sources, and telling me how to get that package |
| 08:02:50 | amiconn | However 'apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.27-1' −−> Couldn't find package blah. Now what? |
| 08:11:36 | LinusN | amiconn: you might need to update the apt database |
| 08:11:58 | LinusN | apt-get update |
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| 08:21:28 | rasher | amiconn: at least you're not trying to wrestle gentoo... >< |
| 08:22:20 | amiconn | LinusN: That didn't help. ANyway, I would have been really puzzled if this helped. I installed debain ~8 hours ago, so the database should be up to date, right? |
| 08:22:37 | _FDV | hello. How about that: http://img.terralab.ru/pubimages/82809.jpg ? |
| 08:23:02 | LinusN | amiconn: which is your apt source? |
| 08:23:04 | rasher | amiconn: are you sure you have the package name right? |
| 08:23:26 | LinusN | _FDV: palm trees for rockbox? |
| 08:23:29 | amiconn | Source is http://ftp2.de.debian.org |
| 08:23:45 | amiconn | Tried the package name with several variations |
| 08:23:57 | _FDV | LinusN :))) no, change firmware |
| 08:24:14 | LinusN | amiconn: apt-cache search kernel-headers |
| 08:24:15 | _FDV | for videorecorder |
| 08:24:24 | rasher | apt-cache search kernel-headers |grep uname -r |
| 08:25:09 | LinusN | _FDV: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=NonArchos |
| 08:25:15 | amiconn | rasher: No output :( |
| 08:25:19 | kergoth | rasher: you forgot `` |
| 08:25:38 | rasher | haha, indeed |
| 08:25:47 | rasher | apt-cache search kernel-headers |grep `uname -r` |
| 08:26:19 | amiconn | Same result :( |
| 08:27:05 | amiconn | uname -r tells me I'm running 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 08:27:29 | amiconn | It seems there are no matching headers |
| 08:27:35 | rasher | how about grep "2.4.27" then? |
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| 08:27:46 | rasher | that sounds very odd |
| 08:28:00 | LinusN | morning Bagder |
| 08:28:09 | Bagder | howdy |
| 08:28:16 | amiconn | rasher: It's just the default 'debain testing' net install |
| 08:28:26 | Bagder | had to reboot my adsl modem again today |
| 08:28:26 | amiconn | *debian even |
| 08:28:32 | LinusN | we have a slight dilemma regarding the iriver sound output |
| 08:29:03 | Bagder | oh, in the logs or can you explain it? |
| 08:29:06 | LinusN | either we use 16-bit output and use DMA, or we use 20 bits with no DMA |
| 08:29:12 | rasher | amiconn: investigating.. |
| 08:29:14 | Bagder | oh |
| 08:29:24 | Bagder | my gut feeling says 16bit with DMA |
| 08:29:28 | LinusN | mine too |
| 08:29:55 | rasher | amiconn: looks like the current kernel is 2.4.27-2 |
| 08:30:04 | _FDV | LinusN thank you |
| 08:30:08 | LinusN | the coldfire 5249 seems more and more half-baked to me |
| 08:30:23 | rasher | apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 08:30:23 | Bagder | yeah |
| 08:30:55 | LinusN | i got a response from philips this morning regarding the dsp documentation |
| 08:31:21 | LinusN | "The EPICS7A core is not currently programmable by the end user at this time. Our firware engineers currently use assebly at our factory to program the core with features. I have not been made aware that this feature will be optional for the end user in anytime soon." |
| 08:31:36 | Bagder | ! |
| 08:32:03 | LinusN | meaning we would have to rely on their binary codecs |
| 08:32:14 | LinusN | (ifp-5xx) |
| 08:33:22 | Bagder | crappo |
| 08:35:49 | amiconn | LinusN: Why would one need 20 bit? |
| 08:36:11 | LinusN | nice for the S/PDIF output |
| 08:36:28 | rasher | there'll be an uproar from HA :) |
| 08:36:40 | Bagder | haha |
| 08:36:49 | Bagder | they're free to come fix it ;-) |
| 08:37:30 | amiconn | rasher: Maybe the current kernel is 2.4.27-2, but why does the installer then install 2.4.27-1, where no header package seems to exists for? |
| 08:37:57 | rasher | because that was the default when the installer cd was built |
| 08:38:11 | rasher | the kernel installed comes from the cd |
| 08:38:43 | rasher | if you had a full(er) cd set it'd have kernel-headers for that version |
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| 09:30:22 | kurzhaarrocker | <- thinks that noone needs more than 16 Bit for output. For recording it might be interesting though especially when you have access to a serious mic / preamp. |
| 09:34:12 | kurzhaarrocker | No commits since two days :( |
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| 09:40:07 | | Nick Lynx_awy is now known as Lynx_ (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59) |
| 09:41:08 | Lynx_ | i found out what exacly happened to that hd in the usb case that had the power supply connected with the wrong polarity... |
| 09:41:10 | Lynx_ | http://www.uni-koeln.de/~ael31/hd.jpg |
| 09:41:51 | rasher | Sure looks like the magic smoke escaped |
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| 09:43:21 | Rick | rofl |
| 09:44:35 | webguest21 | do one of you guys know if Roxboxk can work on I-Bead 400? |
| 09:45:05 | Rick | could it? probably. can it? no |
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| 09:46:40 | Bagder | webguest21: just figure out all internals, then port it! |
| 09:47:31 | Lynx_ | Does anyone know if Wester Digital sells the boards for the hd's separatly? |
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| 09:49:50 | bobTHC | hi folks! |
| 09:50:32 | kurzhaarrocker | Lynx_: a new board won't help. In hd electronix usually some information about the specific individual disc / head is stored. If you exchange the electronic only you won't be able to access the data. |
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| 10:01:01 | Lynx_ | kurzhaarrocker: we were just about to try that, because we have another disk of the same make. so you think that won't work? |
| 10:02:09 | kurzhaarrocker | I have tried that too, it didn't work |
| 10:02:32 | Lynx_ | but i can't break the working hd this way? ;) |
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| 10:03:45 | kurzhaarrocker | In some (E)PROM there's information how much power must be applied to make the head go to a specific cylinder and where bad sectors are. Without that information / wrong information you won't be able to access the data. I doubt that it breaks anything unless you try to write something. |
| 10:05:28 | kurzhaarrocker | I have tried the same thing some years ago and failed |
| 10:07:28 | Lynx_ | hmm, so goodbye data, i guess |
| 10:09:32 | kurzhaarrocker | btw: my disk looked even worse as an entire track on the pcb had evaporated |
| 10:09:44 | Lynx_ | what did you do to it? |
| 10:10:17 | kurzhaarrocker | I put it on my electronic trophy shelf. :) |
| 10:10:26 | Lynx_ | no, to get it broken? |
| 10:10:44 | Lynx_ | i always take the fun magnets out ;) |
| 10:11:09 | kurzhaarrocker | It wasn't me, but my flat mate who broke it. He claimed not to have done anything wrong. |
| 10:11:19 | * | kurzhaarrocker doesn't believe that :) |
| 10:11:37 | Lynx_ | hehe |
| 10:13:05 | kurzhaarrocker | If you are interested in interesting electronic destruction experimenst you could put it into a microwave oven. Looks funny but probably it's not wise to use the microwave for food afterwards... |
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| 10:19:29 | webguest42 | morning, has anyone flashed the H140 with 1.65k incl. rockbox bootloader ? |
| 10:26:18 | Bagder | not me |
| 10:26:35 | rasher | no, please see the IriverBoot wikipage |
| 10:26:53 | kurzhaarrocker | Has anyone tried triggered recording? :) |
| 10:27:01 | Bagder | not me |
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| 10:30:22 | Lynx_ | how is it triggered? |
| 10:30:29 | kurzhaarrocker | by volume |
| 10:32:44 | Lynx_ | perfect for spying on people ;) does it turn off again at low volume? |
| 10:32:51 | kurzhaarrocker | yes |
| 10:34:20 | kurzhaarrocker | It's a unvaluable tool when you use it in a rockband as "external brain" for jam sessions that you want to turn into a song somewhen :) |
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| 10:48:29 | preglow | waht, no 20 bit output and dma? :/ |
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| 10:52:09 | Bagder | it seems so |
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| 10:54:29 | preglow | oh well, 16 bit's good enough for me |
| 10:58:09 | preglow | i assume that's what iriver uses in their stock firmware anyway |
| 10:58:22 | Bagder | very likely, yes |
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| 11:18:57 | Bagder | currently we have 650 subscribers of the mailing list |
| 11:19:52 | dwihno | That reminds me |
| 11:19:57 | dwihno | Can you remove my address? :) |
| 11:20:28 | Bagder | I can, but what is it? |
| 11:20:43 | dwihno | Wee! ;D |
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| 11:35:41 | Patr3ck | I got a problem with the bootloader |
| 11:35:49 | Patr3ck | It hangs on starting original firmware |
| 11:36:10 | Patr3ck | Rockbox still boots |
| 11:36:17 | Patr3ck | iriver ihp140 |
| 11:36:28 | Rick | hrm |
| 11:36:33 | Rick | 140 is supported too? |
| 11:36:36 | Rick | didn't know that |
| 11:36:41 | Bagder | yes it is |
| 11:36:44 | Rick | Patr3ck: how does it 'hang'? |
| 11:36:59 | Patr3ck | it shows starting original firmware, and freezes |
| 11:37:06 | Rick | it doesn't get to scanning files? |
| 11:37:19 | Patr3ck | no |
| 11:37:22 | Rick | ouch :( |
| 11:37:32 | Rick | can you plug it into usb with rockbox without problems? |
| 11:38:06 | Patr3ck | can't test now (no usb cable) but i am sure it will work because rockbox still boots fine |
| 11:38:12 | Rick | well |
| 11:38:28 | Rick | perhaps someone could put together a plugin that can flash it with a new firmware |
| 11:38:41 | Rick | if that's possible |
| 11:38:42 | LinusN | Patr3ck: run scandisk |
| 11:38:46 | Rick | that too |
| 11:38:51 | Patr3ck | it worked for a month or so without problems |
| 11:38:59 | Rick | I need to do that as well |
| 11:39:05 | Rick | today when I booted original firmware |
| 11:39:14 | Rick | it was took a longer time usual to scan |
| 11:39:22 | Rick | I almost freaked it froze ;< |
| 11:39:53 | * | Rick looks for the usb cable |
| 11:40:17 | Bagder | food! |
| 11:40:19 | Patr3ck | but this can happen to anyone, i didn't flash a new bootloader, it just stopped working |
| 11:41:39 | Rick | did you do anything with usb? |
| 11:41:48 | Rick | recently? |
| 11:41:54 | Patr3ck | no |
| 11:41:59 | Rick | odd |
| 11:42:22 | Patr3ck | yesterday evening i shut down the player, this morning i wanted to start it again |
| 11:42:44 | * | Rick runs chkdsk |
| 11:44:03 | Patr3ck | LinusN: I will do that, but it is before iriver shows anything, before the checksum is calculated, could this be a file system problem? |
| 11:44:15 | LinusN | yes |
| 11:44:26 | Rick | er |
| 11:44:27 | LinusN | which checksum? |
| 11:44:34 | Rick | if this problem is before that, how are you booting rockbox? |
| 11:44:36 | LinusN | you said rockbox booted fine |
| 11:44:42 | Rick | hehe |
| 11:45:01 | Rick | chkdsk sloooow |
| 11:45:03 | * | Rick kicks chkdsk |
| 11:45:23 | Patr3ck | LinusN: it does not show calculating checksum when I want to boot the original firm, didn't it show calculating checksum when booting original firmware? |
| 11:45:39 | Rick | no? |
| 11:45:41 | LinusN | no |
| 11:45:44 | Patr3ck | ah |
| 11:45:47 | Rick | it'll show a quick "booting original firmware" message |
| 11:45:53 | Patr3ck | ok |
| 11:46:06 | Patr3ck | i will try checkdsk |
| 11:46:14 | Rick | chkdsk /R ;) |
| 11:46:48 | Rick | probably going to take longer for you, since you're using 40gb |
| 11:46:48 | Rick | hehe |
| 11:46:53 | Patr3ck | as soon as i got hold of my usb cable |
| 11:47:00 | Rick | Patr3ck: you don't have a digicam? |
| 11:47:11 | Rick | or anything of the sort? |
| 11:47:15 | Patr3ck | i have, but not at work |
| 11:47:17 | Rick | ahhh |
| 11:47:21 | Rick | true |
| 11:47:24 | LinusN | Patr3ck: also make sure that the battery is charged |
| 11:47:29 | Rick | yup |
| 11:47:34 | Patr3ck | ok |
| 11:47:47 | LinusN | rockbox needs less battery to run than the iriver firmware |
| 11:48:04 | Rick | but still should be on the safe side |
| 11:48:10 | Rick | although.... |
| 11:48:18 | Rick | how can he check battery if he can't boot original firmware? |
| 11:48:33 | preglow | no point in checking it, just recharge |
| 11:48:36 | Rick | unless there was a patch to fix battery |
| 11:48:44 | Rick | preglow: well, he's at work, so I assume he doesn't have his charger ;P |
| 11:48:54 | Patr3ck | i can't but i can plug in the charger cable (then it should already be able to boot?) |
| 11:49:02 | preglow | the battery level is in the debug menu anyway |
| 11:49:10 | Rick | oh? |
| 11:49:10 | preglow | if it's over f0, it should be fine, i think |
| 11:49:13 | Rick | I thought the level didn't work? |
| 11:49:15 | Rick | neat |
| 11:49:18 | * | Rick will look at that later |
| 11:49:32 | preglow | the indicator doesn't work, the raw battery level value is still in the debug menu |
| 11:49:36 | Rick | ah |
| 11:49:46 | preglow | might be inaccurate for all i know, but it seems to work |
| 11:49:54 | Rick | nifty |
| 11:50:01 | Rick | so what causes the battery level not to work? |
| 11:50:17 | preglow | the proper battery levels for the iriver battery isn't in yet |
| 11:50:21 | Rick | ah |
| 11:50:25 | Patr3ck | ok, going to get my cables from home |
| 11:50:28 | preglow | would be my guess |
| 11:50:37 | Rick | Patr3ck: good luck |
| 11:50:54 | Patr3ck | thanks |
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| 12:04:09 | Spiffy | hey all |
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| 12:07:21 | preglow | i wish some big important company would pay me to work on rockbox |
| 12:07:40 | Rick | fat chance |
| 12:07:41 | Rick | ;) |
| 12:10:24 | Rick | yay |
| 12:10:26 | Rick | chkdsk is almost done |
| 12:12:06 | Rick | or not |
| 12:14:07 | preglow | haha |
| 12:14:15 | preglow | when i wish for something, it's seldom realistic |
| 12:14:51 | Rick | Windows has checked the file system and found no problems. |
| 12:14:53 | Rick | good enough for me |
| 12:14:57 | * | Rick adds it to defrag queue |
| 12:16:17 | Patr3ck | iriver boots again :-) |
| 12:16:47 | Bagder | phew |
| 12:16:57 | Patr3ck | thinking about it, this is what happened |
| 12:17:10 | Patr3ck | instead of shuting down yesterday, i pressed pause |
| 12:17:31 | Patr3ck | iriver shut down after the battery run out |
| 12:17:37 | Rick | Patr3ck: what was the pro.... |
| 12:17:39 | Rick | ah |
| 12:17:48 | Rick | figures |
| 12:17:48 | Patr3ck | this morning it had not enough battery to boot |
| 12:17:49 | Rick | but |
| 12:17:57 | Rick | it's odd that you don't get a 'battery low' message on booting |
| 12:18:17 | Patr3ck | yes, this is not a nice way of saying i am low on battery ;-) |
| 12:18:29 | Rick | maybe the 140 firmware sucks? :P |
| 12:18:36 | Rick | last time I drained it on accident it said that |
| 12:18:49 | Rick | (for some reason, iriver firmware does not check battery power when usb cord is in... :() |
| 12:18:54 | Patr3ck | this is one of the fundamental truths of the universe, like 42 |
| 12:20:11 | Patr3ck | maybe a "how to resurrect your iriver" page on the wiki would be helpful |
| 12:20:28 | Rick | nah |
| 12:20:30 | Rick | it didn't die |
| 12:20:41 | Rick | so it's more like, "how to heal you iriver" |
| 12:20:42 | Rick | :p |
| 12:20:45 | Patr3ck | :-) |
| 12:21:02 | * | Rick is defragging |
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| 12:26:31 | preglow | this is not othe first time the iriver os fails starting instead of saying "low batt" |
| 12:26:37 | preglow | far from it |
| 12:26:50 | Rick | bastid |
| 12:26:52 | Rick | 3 fragments |
| 12:26:56 | Rick | not enough space to defrag them |
| 12:26:58 | Rick | >:( |
| 12:28:09 | preglow | you'll survive, fragmenting isn't _that_ critical for a dap |
| 12:28:23 | Rick | yeah, but it can speed up the crappy iriver scan |
| 12:28:29 | Rick | today's scan took over a minute |
| 12:28:33 | Rick | (and scared the shit out of me too) |
| 12:28:36 | preglow | that's true |
| 12:29:11 | Rick | I need to get to try to port Lua to the iriver as a plugin |
| 12:29:32 | preglow | lua? |
| 12:29:35 | * | Rick has been too busy lately :( |
| 12:29:38 | Rick | yes |
| 12:29:51 | Patr3ck | i used robocopy from ms to first create the folders / files empty, after that it copies the files over it, this speeds up the scan a lot! |
| 12:29:58 | preglow | i won't have time for rockbox coding for a while myself |
| 12:30:28 | Rick | I want to then make a text editor, and then be able to script lua scripts directly from my iriver (scary!) to write simple games :P |
| 12:30:29 | preglow | which irks, because it's the only thing i really want to do, heh |
| 12:30:49 | Rick | so I have something to do when I don't have anything to do and don't have compu access |
| 12:31:07 | Rick | it's a neat idea ;) |
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| 12:33:24 | Rick | I've played around with coding in Lua's code itself so I know it should be possible |
| 12:35:22 | LinusN | doh! the mcf5249 can't generate a 48kHz clock!!! |
| 12:35:58 | kurzhaarrocker | booo |
| 12:36:08 | preglow | hahahah |
| 12:36:24 | preglow | perfect for audio, indeed |
| 12:36:37 | Rick | mm? |
| 12:36:47 | preglow | it can generate 44100, but not 48000, pretty rich |
| 12:37:59 | Rick | ah |
| 12:38:58 | preglow | well, 44.1 should do, but i admit i use 48khz whenever i can myself |
| 12:39:58 | LinusN | well, we might be able to use a few tricks to get 48000... |
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| 12:41:20 | kurzhaarrocker | btw LinusN: I made a bigger alternative display of the trigger status... |
| 12:41:54 | LinusN | saw that, will have a look when i find the time |
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| 12:42:34 | kurzhaarrocker | thx |
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| 12:43:09 | preglow | LinusN: how? |
| 12:43:19 | preglow | anyone know how the iriver fw handles 48khz files? |
| 12:43:24 | LinusN | further on, it looks like we can't generate 32, 16 or 8kHz either |
| 12:43:38 | preglow | well, if you can't generate 48khz, you probably can't generate those |
| 12:43:52 | LinusN | nope |
| 12:43:59 | LinusN | how awfully silly |
| 12:44:31 | kurzhaarrocker | Is that a problem of the chip or the circuit? |
| 12:44:59 | Schnueff | somebody acquainted with the sg_start utility? i cant get an usb hd (not a rockbox) to spin down, is it possible that the disk doesnt support the spin down command? |
| 12:46:09 | crwl | iirc iriver fw handles at least 16, 32, 44.1 and 48 kHz files fine |
| 12:46:16 | crwl | maybe even 8 |
| 12:46:24 | preglow | crwl: it may be resampling |
| 12:46:27 | crwl | i did some experimenting with ogg files once |
| 12:46:29 | crwl | preglow, yes, it may |
| 12:46:34 | preglow | but i doubt it |
| 12:46:38 | preglow | proper resampling is pretty expensive |
| 12:46:50 | preglow | then again, they didn't bother with proper resampling with the playback speed selector |
| 12:46:58 | crwl | it did sound ok to me, but i didn't really test the sound quality |
| 12:47:07 | preglow | it sounds like shit due to dropped samples |
| 12:47:19 | Lynx_ | Schnueff: wouldn't the ata usb bridge need to know that command? |
| 12:47:27 | crwl | i just wanted to see if they support more sample rates than they claim in the manual, and that they did |
| 12:47:56 | Schnueff | Lynx_: possibly yes. is it common for such a bridge not to know such a command? |
| 12:48:02 | crwl | oh, and 22.05 was fine too |
| 12:48:13 | crwl | probably even some arbitrary sample rates were, i can't remember |
| 12:48:14 | Lynx_ | Schnueff: i have no idea, i was just guessing |
| 12:48:27 | crwl | 4 and 6 kHz were too little, though. it wouldn't play |
| 12:49:43 | Schnueff | Lynx_: do u know of other tools then sg_start to do the job? i could try those |
| 12:50:07 | Lynx_ | Schnueff: i never heard of sg_start. is that linux? |
| 12:50:25 | Schnueff | yes, part of sg3-utils - Utilities for working with generic SCSI devices |
| 12:50:44 | | Part kurzhaarrocker |
| 12:52:40 | Lynx_ | Schnueff: but it works for ide also? |
| 12:54:20 | Schnueff | the docs mentioned USB mass storage devices |
| 12:54:35 | Schnueff | i'll look some more on the web |
| 12:54:47 | LinusN | ah, you can adjust the sample clock in the 1380 as well |
| 12:56:28 | preglow | \o/ |
| 12:57:24 | LinusN | or can we...? |
| 12:59:30 | preglow | i would sure hope so |
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| 13:01:03 | HCl | goodmorning |
| 13:01:16 | LinusN | preglow: doesn't look like it can... :-( |
| 13:02:31 | preglow | then how do iriver support 48khz? making a player that can't generate a 48khz clock somehow is just plain stupid |
| 13:03:35 | LinusN | hmmm, the 1380 can lock to the iis word strobe |
| 13:04:05 | preglow | that sounds like a splendid idea |
| 13:04:20 | LinusN | so if we clock the iis really high, but only send the samples in a 48kHz rate, we might be able to tune the frequency |
| 13:05:07 | LinusN | that will of course force us to use interrupts instead of dma for the pcm playback |
| 13:05:30 | LinusN | andf i don't know how it will affect s/pdif |
| 13:07:49 | LinusN | this stinks |
| 13:12:23 | LinusN | does anybody know how s/pdif handles the sample rate clock? |
| 13:16:29 | preglow | i have no idea |
| 13:16:43 | amiconn | s/pdif only handles 48/44.1/32. Other than that I don't know |
| 13:17:55 | LinusN | it looks like we can fool the 1380 to playback 48khz, but i don't know about s/pdif |
| 13:18:29 | LinusN | afaik, s/pdif derives the sample clock from the bit clock, as there is no dedicated word strobe |
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| 13:25:16 | preglow | linux uses WAY longer time to connect to the h120 than windows does |
| 13:25:18 | preglow | annoying |
| 13:31:05 | tvelocity[away] | strange, it mounts almost instantly here |
| 13:32:20 | preglow | it mounts instantly in windows, it uses more than five seconds in linux |
| 13:33:22 | Bagder | not for me |
| 13:33:31 | Bagder | I only tried it on linux |
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| 13:34:54 | preglow | then i probably have to do some tweaking |
| 13:35:19 | preglow | but i've got to run, later all |
| 13:37:27 | LinusN | s/pdif seems to be able to handle a faster bit clock |
| 13:37:51 | LinusN | it should be able to sync to 48khz even if the bit clock is faster |
| 13:38:18 | LinusN | but i really don't like having to pace the pcm with a timer interrupt... |
| 13:39:44 | LinusN | and the dma is ever so lame, it can only be triggered by audio or uart requests, not the timers |
| 13:40:15 | LinusN | damn, i *must* be missing something obvious... |
| 13:45:29 | LinusN | hmmm, some amplifiers report which sample rate it receives on the s/pdif input |
| 13:45:55 | LinusN | that should give us a clue about how the iriver fw does it |
| 13:47:05 | HCl | *nods* |
| 13:47:20 | amiconn | LinusN: Rockbox on archos should also be able to tell the sr |
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| 13:47:53 | LinusN | yeah, but archos is coax |
| 13:48:16 | LinusN | and i don't have a converter |
| 13:52:53 | preglow | perhaps my minidisc player does |
| 13:54:07 | preglow | i sincerely doubt it, but now, take 2 in catching the bus |
| 13:54:31 | LinusN | happy running |
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| 14:06:20 | amiconn | LinusN: I still have my self made converter, but no iriver |
| 14:06:28 | LinusN | :-) |
| 14:06:53 | amiconn | iriver s/pdif is optical only? |
| 14:07:00 | LinusN | yes |
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| 14:40:22 | MoosCamaro | hello |
| 14:41:09 | MoosCamaro | I'm french |
| 14:41:34 | MoosCamaro | I read your works and i want congratulate you |
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| 14:43:44 | MoosCamaro | you don't have enough time for Rockbox project, but we know than you have got a life(family, work...) |
| 14:43:51 | MoosCamaro | congratulations |
| 14:47:07 | MoosCamaro | I hope this project will go completed for all users in the world |
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| 14:50:01 | LinusN | Texas Instruments just called me |
| 14:50:26 | LinusN | they tried to help me identify a chip on the iriver, but failed... :-( |
| 14:50:32 | Bagder | "one million dollars for you if you hush up" ,-) |
| 14:50:38 | LinusN | hehe |
| 14:50:56 | LinusN | "sure, just send them to the rockbox donation fund" |
| 14:52:53 | dwihno | LinusN: TI called you? |
| 14:53:08 | dwihno | LinusN: You get contacted by misc. companies... What do they tell you? :) |
| 14:53:26 | LinusN | i emailed them for help |
| 14:53:30 | Bagder | "get a life" ;-) |
| 14:53:30 | dwihno | "Please sigh my "Linus Nielsen Feltzing si teh bestest"-shirt" ;) ? |
| 14:59:50 | HCl | heheh. |
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| 15:02:20 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi there |
| 15:02:26 | HCl | hey |
| 15:02:41 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: about the non-mounting misformatted unit: |
| 15:03:09 | [IDC]Dragon | Jens and I were thinking we should go into USB mode even before trying to mount |
| 15:03:30 | LinusN | yes |
| 15:03:37 | [IDC]Dragon | like, in the usb_start_monitoring() |
| 15:04:33 | [IDC]Dragon | for Ondio, it's no good USB'ing if the card has already been accessed |
| 15:05:06 | [IDC]Dragon | the user has to replug it to get us back into MMC mode |
| 15:05:26 | [IDC]Dragon | a hardware design flaw, imho |
| 15:06:37 | [IDC]Dragon | for the hd models, this would be more safe as well, in case the mounting code had a bug and crashes |
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| 18:13:39 | T0mas | does anybody know if it is possible to make the iRiver's coldfire cpu run at less than 48 mh? |
| 18:13:54 | T0mas | mh = mhz |
| 18:14:00 | rasher | It certainly is |
| 18:14:08 | T0mas | what's the under limit? |
| 18:14:12 | rasher | It ran at 11MHz for a while |
| 18:14:20 | rasher | no idea |
| 18:14:32 | Schnueff | 0? ;) |
| 18:14:38 | T0mas | yeah, 0 = off ;) |
| 18:14:46 | T0mas | but like 1 mhz or something? |
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| 18:15:04 | T0mas | because if you can get the cpu to 1 mhz... and the disk, lcd and backlight to off... |
| 18:15:18 | T0mas | you can have a 'sleep and wakeup in 2 hours' mode |
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| 18:20:49 | rasher | excellent, my gentoo install is still bootstrapping |
| 18:36:11 | rasher | I think their kernel choked on my processor/speedstep .. running at 100MHz now |
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| 18:39:36 | thegeek_ | hum, compiling @ 100mhz = funfunfun |
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| 18:40:50 | preglow | T0mas: i was thinking of that |
| 18:41:02 | preglow | T0mas: but yes, it should be possible to put it in very low power mode |
| 18:41:25 | preglow | completely halted, only a timer running |
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| 18:50:31 | rasher | thegeek: not at all :) |
| 18:51:57 | thegeek | ;) |
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| 19:09:45 | T0mas | <slow chat> preglow: You know a lot more of the hardware than I do? |
| 19:10:05 | T0mas | Do you know what clock chip is used? |
| 19:10:11 | T0mas | and what ranges that can handle? |
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| 19:22:44 | rasher | æøå |
| 19:22:52 | rasher | how did that look? |
| 19:23:04 | rasher | gar |
| 19:23:17 | rasher | not utf8, I guess |
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| 19:24:01 | NJoin | pill [0] (dearth@ip-130.net-82-216-140.issy4.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 19:24:59 | rasher | why the hell not?! |
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| 19:25:30 | rasher | ah, perhaps because firefox is set at iso8859 |
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| 19:26:09 | rasher | hrøm |
| 19:26:19 | rasher | wellthen. |
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| 19:26:39 | rasher | Müh |
| 19:26:48 | rasher | even better |
| 19:26:48 | T0mas | that's utf-8 i guess... |
| 19:26:55 | T0mas | Xchat decodes it ok.. |
| 19:27:11 | rasher | Maybe I shouldn't be testing this in cgi:irc |
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| 19:27:35 | rasher | sorry! |
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| 19:30:07 | rasher | æøå |
| 19:30:17 | rasher | hurray, utf8 |
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| 19:30:34 | rasher | using a real* irc client sure helped |
| 19:30:49 | rasher | * (may not actually be real) |
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| 19:46:56 | rasher | well.. enough of that.. |
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| 20:15:46 | preglow | T0mas: no clock chip, the timer interrupts on the coldfire is used |
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| 20:38:06 | amiconn | Hrmpf. |
| 20:40:33 | amiconn | I simply don't get this dreaded linux to work properly :( |
| 20:41:11 | T0mas | preglow: how slow can we get it? |
| 20:41:34 | preglow | T0mas: that i don't know |
| 20:41:40 | preglow | amiconn: what's the problem? |
| 20:42:01 | amiconn | I tried installing debain (testing) 3 times. Never got a working config |
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| 20:42:09 | preglow | what was broken? |
| 20:42:39 | amiconn | (1) With kernel 2.4, it works, but there is no matching kernel header package. I need that for installing vmware tools |
| 20:43:56 | amiconn | (2) With kernel 2.6 (tried 2 times), the installation seems to run correctly, but at the very end it doesn't manage to start X. A strange error message repeated about 10 times, then the system halts |
| 20:44:56 | preglow | matching kernel headers package? the proxy package didn't work either? |
| 20:45:43 | preglow | 'linux-kernel-headers' should install the one you need |
| 20:47:48 | amiconn | Don't know about proxy package. I searched for my problem (vmware tools install asking for the kernel header dir), and found a solution that mentioned installing the matching kernel header package |
| 20:48:06 | amiconn | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/2003/12/msg00371.html (german) |
| 20:48:18 | preglow | yea, and that always correspons to the matching kernel header package |
| 20:48:47 | preglow | you can build stuff on my box if you're sufficiently tired of wrestling around with debian |
| 20:49:03 | amiconn | It's simply annoying. How should linux spread more if even the installation is such a mess |
| 20:49:18 | preglow | installation very seldom is such a mess |
| 20:49:21 | preglow | debian has never been simple |
| 20:49:30 | preglow | it's not a distro for simple installs |
| 20:49:47 | amiconn | No distro I tried so far is really simple |
| 20:49:52 | preglow | the last two linuxes i've tried have been simpler to install than windows |
| 20:50:11 | preglow | which would be fedora core and ubuntu |
| 20:50:20 | preglow | the last is what i'm running as we speak |
| 20:50:28 | preglow | it's debian based, but friendlier to use |
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| 20:54:25 | rasher | amiconn: I told you what you need to do to get kernel-headers for 2.4 |
| 20:54:54 | rasher | either a) upgrade your kernel-image package or b) get kernel-headers from an outdated cd-set |
| 20:56:14 | amiconn | I don't have a cd set. I'm using the net install cd |
| 20:56:30 | preglow | then option a would be for you |
| 20:56:33 | preglow | what x error do you get, btw? |
| 20:56:35 | amiconn | I wonder why the net install doesn't install a current kernel |
| 20:57:06 | amiconn | preglow: No x error. Something about being unable to set a codepage because of a missing file or such |
| 20:57:21 | rasher | the net install installs what's on the cd |
| 20:57:25 | amiconn | Then it doesn't start x11. Only option is to power off |
| 20:57:42 | rasher | since it installs the base system from the cd |
| 20:57:48 | amiconn | When powering on again, I get a terminal login |
| 20:58:03 | amiconn | I have no idea how to configure x properly |
| 20:58:16 | preglow | run xf86config ? |
| 20:59:06 | amiconn | Tried that. It asks questions I am unable to answer, like mouse type etc. I'm on vmware.... |
| 20:59:18 | preglow | defaults are ok, mostly |
| 20:59:42 | preglow | don't remember, i haven't run xf86config for yonks |
| 20:59:49 | rasher | I'm really wondering why the debconf didn't fix a working x |
| 20:59:54 | rasher | it usually does |
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| 21:00:09 | rasher | apt-get install mdetect; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:00:18 | preglow | i guess 'usually' is the culprit |
| 21:00:43 | rasher | (mdetect ensuring mouse detection) |
| 21:00:50 | amiconn | preglow: It seems (usually && linux) == never for me |
| 21:01:09 | preglow | so it seems |
| 21:01:26 | rasher | well just go with a 2.4 kernel |
| 21:01:53 | amiconn | I'll retry with kernel 2.4 (I wonder why debian still uses 2.4 though) |
| 21:02:02 | preglow | debian is strange |
| 21:02:15 | preglow | and some people prefer 2.4, 2.6 has a strange stability policy |
| 21:02:25 | rasher | well because 2.4 works on 11 archs, presumably |
| 21:02:47 | amiconn | A propos stability: During the first try with 2.4, I managed to hang gnome within 2 minutes... |
| 21:04:25 | rasher | shut the "¤/("!/% up lilo! |
| 21:04:52 | preglow | grub... |
| 21:04:53 | rasher | he's a right chatterbox |
| 21:05:13 | rasher | lilo as in the ircop |
| 21:05:13 | preglow | amiconn: i don't think anyone is trying to give stability awards to gnome |
| 21:05:28 | preglow | ahh, i didn't notice |
| 21:06:29 | amiconn | preglow: Any idea what might make a better linux desktop. Apart from gnome, I only know kde and oldie fvwm2. Don't like kde |
| 21:06:49 | preglow | i use gnome myself, only thing i've got against it is its slowness |
| 21:07:18 | preglow | i'm on a athlon64 3200+ and it seems really slow |
| 21:11:09 | rasher | which gfx? |
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| 21:12:02 | preglow | gfx? |
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| 21:12:58 | rasher | well, which x driver are you using? |
| 21:13:03 | preglow | ahhh |
| 21:13:03 | preglow | nvidia |
| 21:13:09 | preglow | geforce 6800gt |
| 21:13:25 | preglow | it's most certainly accelerated |
| 21:13:32 | rasher | do you have Option "RenderAccell" "On" in your /etc/xorg.conf ? |
| 21:14:01 | preglow | "RenderAccel" "true" |
| 21:14:50 | rasher | oh ah |
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| 21:16:33 | preglow | the gfx isn't lightning fast, but that's not it |
| 21:16:37 | preglow | things are just slow |
| 21:16:42 | preglow | they start slowly, file enumeration is slow |
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| 21:35:43 | mirak | hi |
| 21:37:51 | rasher | what's stopping accurate battery readout on iriver? noone has investigated what the ADC_BATTERY values mean? |
| 21:38:27 | preglow | i guess not |
| 21:38:32 | rasher | kthen |
| 21:38:32 | preglow | someone said he was going to do it |
| 21:38:35 | preglow | but nothing has come of it |
| 21:38:42 | rasher | I was hoping that was it |
| 21:38:51 | preglow | i've only checked the readout in the debug screen |
| 21:38:53 | rasher | currently writing a plugin that writes the value into a file |
| 21:38:55 | preglow | and it seems to range from e0 to ff |
| 21:39:03 | rasher | that's.. not a lot |
| 21:39:14 | preglow | more than enough precision for an accurate meter, i'd say |
| 21:39:31 | rasher | heh, yes |
| 21:39:36 | rasher | I'd just have expected more |
| 21:39:42 | rasher | well then, let me get on with my plugin then |
| 21:39:42 | preglow | but yes, do the dump variable thing |
| 21:39:44 | preglow | that's clever |
| 21:40:03 | rasher | I wonder how long it'll take to drain the battery with no hdd activity |
| 21:40:05 | preglow | so you're having the battery drain the power as well, yes? |
| 21:40:13 | preglow | why not make som hdd activity? |
| 21:40:20 | preglow | just spin it up and keep using it, or something |
| 21:40:31 | rasher | yes, probably the best idea |
| 21:40:40 | rasher | or it'd take ages with the h100 battery |
| 21:40:43 | preglow | just keep writing and reading a dummy file |
| 21:40:55 | rasher | I already cpu_boost(true) for no good reason :) |
| 21:41:00 | preglow | haha |
| 21:41:02 | preglow | that's good |
| 21:41:20 | preglow | what you should do is modify mpa2wav |
| 21:41:27 | preglow | so that it decodes the same file in a loop |
| 21:41:39 | rasher | ah |
| 21:41:41 | rasher | good idea |
| 21:42:02 | rasher | I was going to do what battery_test.c does |
| 21:42:06 | rasher | but this sounds better |
| 21:42:13 | preglow | what does battery_test.c do? |
| 21:42:14 | rasher | cpu AND hdd activity all in one :) |
| 21:42:18 | rasher | it reads a file |
| 21:42:34 | preglow | hmm |
| 21:42:45 | preglow | you might corrupt your disk if you're writing to it |
| 21:42:46 | rasher | well, first it writes a file the size of the RAM, and then reads it and sleeps for a while before doing it again |
| 21:42:58 | preglow | since rockbox will keep on going until the hardware can't take it no more |
| 21:43:11 | preglow | then again, you might not, i don't know |
| 21:43:23 | rasher | can't I just restart.. delete the file and start over? |
| 21:43:27 | preglow | probably |
| 21:43:34 | rasher | I'm not sure I understood what you meant |
| 21:44:20 | preglow | well, i assume you'll run the test until your player dies from not having enough power |
| 21:44:43 | rasher | ah, right |
| 21:44:45 | preglow | that might damage the files |
| 21:44:49 | preglow | since they're not closed |
| 21:44:52 | rasher | indeed |
| 21:44:59 | preglow | and that'd be a bloody bummer |
| 21:45:05 | rasher | nothing scandisk shouldn't be able to fix, surely? |
| 21:45:10 | rasher | r failing that, a format |
| 21:45:18 | preglow | nono, but there's no point if your battery data is corrupt :) |
| 21:45:21 | rasher | ah |
| 21:45:24 | rasher | yes |
| 21:45:30 | rasher | I'll have to close that each time I write it |
| 21:45:34 | rasher | probably |
| 21:45:34 | preglow | yup |
| 21:45:50 | rasher | that should leave minimal odds for failure |
| 21:45:53 | preglow | yup |
| 21:46:27 | rasher | now let me just add another while loop to mpa2wav |
| 21:46:39 | rasher | hm. |
| 21:46:46 | mirak | what is gapless ? |
| 21:47:02 | preglow | mirak: not having a gap between your tracks |
| 21:47:34 | mirak | ok |
| 21:47:51 | rasher | I always feel evil when writing while (1) |
| 21:47:58 | preglow | most players insert silence between tracks |
| 21:48:01 | preglow | rasher: for (;;) |
| 21:48:03 | preglow | :-) |
| 21:49:13 | rasher | would I need the iram bit inside the loop, or is that a one-time thing? |
| 21:50:04 | rasher | rb->memcpy(iramstart, iramcopy, iramend-iramstart); |
| 21:50:06 | rasher | that |
| 21:50:11 | preglow | yes, you most definitely need that, but once is enough |
| 21:50:18 | rasher | okay |
| 21:50:25 | preglow | doesn't hurt to have it done several times |
| 21:53:57 | amiconn | rasher: You don't need to close the file every time. Using fsync() is sufficient |
| 21:54:43 | amiconn | And you only need to copy the iram segment once |
| 21:55:36 | rasher | okay |
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| 22:00:38 | LinusN | rasher: i have the value range for the battery |
| 22:00:45 | LinusN | c0-ff |
| 22:01:11 | LinusN | what i don't have is the actual voltages |
| 22:02:53 | preglow | c0, actually |
| 22:03:11 | preglow | the iriver firmware stops functioning waay before that's reached |
| 22:03:20 | LinusN | yes, at about d0 |
| 22:03:24 | preglow | unless this is one of those instances were i'm just plain stupid |
| 22:03:31 | preglow | yep |
| 22:04:21 | preglow | does it change linearly from c0 to ff? |
| 22:04:38 | LinusN | "what i don't have is the actual voltages" |
| 22:04:43 | rasher | oh.. all I could create with this is a graph |
| 22:04:46 | preglow | then there's still a point in rasher running his test |
| 22:04:57 | LinusN | meaning i don't know anything about linearity either |
| 22:04:57 | rasher | alright then |
| 22:05:17 | rasher | it's currently jumping between DC and D8 |
| 22:05:26 | preglow | disk access does that |
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| 22:09:29 | preglow | anyone want to adopt an mpeg codec? |
| 22:09:35 | LinusN | :-) |
| 22:09:35 | stevenm | hm ? |
| 22:09:57 | preglow | cf-mpegdec is up for grabs, i've got it running, but i don't want anything to do with it |
| 22:10:57 | stevenm | cf-mpegdec? |
| 22:11:11 | preglow | yes, an mpeg decoder we thought would perform well |
| 22:11:51 | stevenm | ah... does it ?? |
| 22:11:53 | preglow | no |
| 22:12:00 | stevenm | that's a shame.. |
| 22:12:14 | preglow | it performs marginally better than libmad with no opts, but it's not as well coded, and makes more noise |
| 22:12:20 | stevenm | sorry, I been out of the loop for a while. weird family stuff, plus hw |
| 22:12:23 | stevenm | ah |
| 22:12:31 | preglow | not much happening with rockbox these days anyway |
| 22:12:39 | stevenm | does any of the mp3 codecs run realtime? |
| 22:12:57 | CoCoLUS | altough with another codec we could subtitle rockbox with "rockbox - we can decode -any- file on earth, but you won't hear it" :P |
| 22:12:59 | preglow | i don't dare touch rockbox code, it just ends with me spending entire days i should use otherwise |
| 22:13:19 | preglow | haha |
| 22:13:20 | stevenm | i know how that goes |
| 22:13:50 | preglow | but now i'll grant myself a couple of hours and go stroke libflac |
| 22:14:07 | stevenm | haha |
| 22:14:10 | preglow | just to see if i'm disciplined enough to be able to stop |
| 22:14:12 | preglow | heh |
| 22:14:12 | CoCoLUS | stroke the dsp and the dac :P |
| 22:14:16 | stevenm | I got some good news on the midi codec |
| 22:14:46 | stevenm | haven't touched the code that much (spring break in 4 days, thats when I get my hands dirty again) but I got info on gus envelopes |
| 22:14:48 | rasher | excellent, loop is working fine. now to write the battery status to a file |
| 22:15:22 | preglow | yes, spring break would be great time to code, but i'm going home, and doubt i'll spend very much time in front of a computer |
| 22:15:35 | stevenm | namely, every X samples, take the current rate and add it to the offset, which is like, the coded offset value shifted by 21 bits or so |
| 22:15:43 | stevenm | ah |
| 22:16:03 | stevenm | looks plausible.. will code it up at some point. then, I guess, pitchw and cc, and that's it right there |
| 22:16:15 | preglow | yup |
| 22:16:21 | preglow | sounds great |
| 22:16:35 | stevenm | yea.. if this thing actually works, I may buy an hp1xx |
| 22:16:45 | preglow | whoa, you haven't tried it on a device yet? |
| 22:16:50 | stevenm | or wait for the 3xx port |
| 22:17:00 | stevenm | no.. that's why I keep going on here, maybe someone will try it |
| 22:17:22 | preglow | well, does it compile for h1x0? |
| 22:17:32 | stevenm | I honestly have no idea |
| 22:17:35 | preglow | haha |
| 22:17:42 | preglow | you should have that bolted down first, at least |
| 22:17:47 | stevenm | I don't have the slightest clue how to even write to its DSP |
| 22:17:53 | preglow | you don't |
| 22:17:56 | preglow | you just write to a file |
| 22:18:18 | stevenm | right now I have the platform-specific and synthesis code in separate places |
| 22:18:46 | stevenm | How would I even begin compiling it for iriver ? |
| 22:19:05 | stevenm | plus you said some of the loops can be optimized in ASM, and make use of the MAC instruction |
| 22:19:28 | preglow | yep, but that's not important yet |
| 22:19:35 | preglow | having good c code that does what you want correctly is |
| 22:19:55 | preglow | begin compiling it for iriver by getting a dev environment with the proper cross compiling tools |
| 22:20:30 | stevenm | ah.. is that similar to the way you use the SH1 targeted GCC for archos? |
| 22:20:36 | LinusN | yes |
| 22:20:57 | stevenm | ok |
| 22:21:32 | preglow | it's quite simple |
| 22:21:44 | preglow | i'm on linux, making the tools was a breeze |
| 22:21:47 | stevenm | but if I compile it for iriver, how do I test to see if it works ? |
| 22:21:50 | preglow | probably isn't very hard for cygwin either |
| 22:22:01 | preglow | stevenm: well, you don't, without a device |
| 22:22:03 | stevenm | preglow, me too.. but I am on gentoo. that kind of complicated matters a bit |
| 22:22:08 | preglow | stevenm: could try the simulator, of course |
| 22:22:11 | preglow | stevenm: does it? |
| 22:22:14 | preglow | i'm on gentoo as well |
| 22:22:39 | stevenm | preglow, yea... I had to rename sh1-gcc-elf to plain gcc and put it in the path, or else it failed halfway |
| 22:23:03 | stevenm | the simulator will emulate a CF core ?? |
| 22:23:15 | LinusN | stevenm: you don't have to rename anything |
| 22:24:10 | stevenm | LinusN, it was very strange.. on my desktop and laptop both, it did this error. eventually it built fine, though |
| 22:24:13 | rasher | let me see if I got this right.. |
| 22:24:15 | LinusN | the simulator is a native pc application |
| 22:24:34 | LinusN | it simulates the lcd and buttons |
| 22:24:41 | LinusN | and the file system |
| 22:24:51 | LinusN | it doesn't simulate the cpu |
| 22:25:23 | stevenm | so then how can you build something for the target and run it on the sim? It'd have to be built specifically for the sim, right ? |
| 22:25:42 | LinusN | you don't build it for the target and run it on the sim |
| 22:25:52 | LinusN | the sim is a target by itself |
| 22:26:00 | stevenm | ah, I see |
| 22:26:23 | LinusN | it runs rockbox as a linux application |
| 22:26:31 | preglow | it's an ordinary windows/linux app |
| 22:26:36 | LinusN | with the lcd in a window |
| 22:26:59 | preglow | stevenm: and i'm on gentoo, no problems at all, just do the build by hand, don't use portage |
| 22:27:12 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator |
| 22:27:16 | preglow | stevenm: though i've heard gentoo has some cross compiler ebuild |
| 22:27:42 | rasher | Hm, I appear to have written a battery status to the file! |
| 22:27:50 | preglow | \o/ |
| 22:27:56 | rasher | doesn't happen very often though |
| 22:28:02 | preglow | well, should it? |
| 22:28:09 | rasher | probably doesn't matter much |
| 22:28:13 | preglow | use a smaller mp3 |
| 22:28:20 | rasher | yeah |
| 22:28:22 | rasher | I will |
| 22:28:29 | rasher | wellthen |
| 22:28:42 | preglow | that piece of shit "iriver - catch the digital flow" pile of flaming crap would probably do well |
| 22:28:43 | rasher | I guess all that's left is a full charge |
| 22:28:47 | rasher | haha |
| 22:28:48 | preglow | if you can keep yourself from vomiting |
| 22:28:53 | rasher | Seems fitting |
| 22:29:07 | rasher | I'll be catching the digital flow for hours |
| 22:29:31 | preglow | it'll be pure bliss |
| 22:29:38 | LinusN | don't you just love that tune? |
| 22:29:48 | rasher | it's excellent |
| 22:30:28 | preglow | i would have had the "artist" beheaded, had i been in a position of some decisive power in iriver |
| 22:30:35 | preglow | lucky for all of us i'm not |
| 22:31:00 | stevenm | 'catch the digital flow' ? |
| 22:31:14 | rasher | aw dammit, I've deleted it :( |
| 22:31:16 | preglow | stevenm: demo tune that comes with h1x0 |
| 22:31:21 | stevenm | oooh |
| 22:31:35 | rasher | someont put it online |
| 22:31:37 | stevenm | Be like, "more like.. catch the digital flow of crap coming out of the stock firmware" |
| 22:31:37 | rasher | I neeeed it! |
| 22:31:43 | preglow | the libflac author should be chastised severaly for using realloc |
| 22:32:10 | preglow | rasher: gimme a sec |
| 22:32:55 | preglow | http://glow.m0f0.net/music/iriver.mp3 |
| 22:33:00 | rasher | :) |
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| 22:34:10 | stevenm | What the HELL ?? |
| 22:34:24 | rasher | guess I could log while charging |
| 22:34:51 | stevenm | what in the world was that |
| 22:35:01 | rasher | the iriver theme song :) |
| 22:35:09 | stevenm | eew. |
| 22:35:10 | preglow | stevenm: an abomination unto god |
| 22:35:19 | rasher | it's so delightfully cheesy |
| 22:35:28 | stevenm | in deed. |
| 22:35:37 | stevenm | i bet rockbox could come with better stuff |
| 22:35:39 | LinusN | and 320kbit/s! |
| 22:35:52 | preglow | for crystal clear 909 magic |
| 22:35:57 | rasher | gotta have great quality for this music |
| 22:36:16 | preglow | give me half an hour with my sidstation and i'll produce greater music |
| 22:36:19 | rasher | now.. we wait |
| 22:36:30 | preglow | and i'm no musician |
| 22:36:33 | CoCoLUS | they had to focus on lyrics support in their firmware. |
| 22:36:33 | * | rasher prods goattracker |
| 22:36:40 | CoCoLUS | no time for a good theme :) |
| 22:36:47 | stevenm | goattracker ? |
| 22:36:47 | LinusN | preglow: and 4-bit samples, "catch the digital flow!" |
| 22:36:52 | rasher | the lyrics support is a freaking joke |
| 22:37:05 | stevenm | lyrics in what ? |
| 22:37:06 | rasher | especially considering the font |
| 22:37:22 | preglow | LinusN: ahahah |
| 22:37:23 | rasher | the firmware "supports" embedded lyrics in mp3 files |
| 22:37:29 | stevenm | Woah |
| 22:37:50 | * | preglow has nightmares about the outrun music |
| 22:38:06 | stevenm | I could probably add support for embedded MIDI lyrics... for the like, 2 files out there that have them |
| 22:38:06 | rasher | I have that as ogg on my player |
| 22:38:07 | rasher | :) |
| 22:38:13 | LinusN | o-o-outrun! |
| 22:38:17 | preglow | yo! |
| 22:38:27 | rasher | also, Press Play On Tape's version |
| 22:38:36 | preglow | that ranks high on the cheesy scale |
| 22:39:00 | LinusN | for good c64 covers, look for Instant Remedy |
| 22:39:26 | preglow | used to have a couple of tracks, before my disk crashed for the umpteenth time |
| 22:40:03 | rasher | I mostly just have it because I was present at one concert |
| 22:41:03 | preglow | think i saw them live at one of the tg's |
| 22:41:37 | preglow | then again, i might have been hallucinating as a result of sleep-deprivation |
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| 22:41:43 | rasher | this was at theparty |
| 22:42:03 | preglow | never been to tp |
| 22:42:10 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:42:57 | rasher | I only managed to go to one that didn't suck |
| 22:43:21 | rasher | after that, it descendet into a gaming party |
| 22:43:34 | preglow | yes, like all bigger parties |
| 22:43:38 | preglow | most, at least |
| 22:45:47 | preglow | hell, someone contact goto80 and have him make a demotune for rockbox |
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| 22:48:53 | * | rasher waits impatiently for the iriver to be done charging |
| 22:49:20 | * | CoCoLUS waits impatiently for someone making the iriver play music =) |
| 22:50:14 | CoCoLUS | hm |
| 22:50:53 | CoCoLUS | the parties i usually visit do not end in a gaming party, they end in everyone lying on the floor, quite badly drunk... am i doing something wrong? |
| 22:51:09 | preglow | finnish, are you? :P |
| 22:51:13 | rasher | haha |
| 22:51:14 | CoCoLUS | austria, i am |
| 22:51:18 | rasher | damn drunks |
| 22:51:21 | CoCoLUS | austriaN |
| 22:52:31 | CoCoLUS | we're just not like the northern countries, a bunch of pale kernel-hacking code-o-philes :P |
| 22:52:40 | preglow | haha |
| 22:52:53 | preglow | if you're worrying about lack of alcohol at parties around here, you're worrying without need |
| 22:52:56 | Bagder | hey, you have light during winter! ;-) |
| 22:53:09 | preglow | hahah |
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| 22:53:29 | CoCoLUS | speaking of winter... how's the temperature "up there"? :) |
| 22:53:37 | preglow | how ten minus here |
| 22:53:40 | Bagder | we're at -5C right now |
| 22:53:41 | preglow | -mhow |
| 22:53:48 | CoCoLUS | we had > 10 C + first time today :) |
| 22:53:49 | rasher | roughly 0 here (dnemark) |
| 22:54:27 | CoCoLUS | it's finally getting spring time :) |
| 22:54:44 | preglow | took a turn for the worse here |
| 22:54:52 | preglow | there's still snow everywhere |
| 22:55:06 | preglow | worse/better, whatever |
| 22:55:07 | preglow | i like snow |
| 22:55:22 | CoCoLUS | i only like it < march |
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| 22:56:16 | CoCoLUS | i want to go outside... listen to some music... mhm... gapless playback |
| 22:56:24 | * | CoCoLUS looks at his iriver |
| 22:56:26 | CoCoLUS | damn :( |
| 22:56:47 | rasher | go write a codec api instead |
| 22:56:59 | CoCoLUS | that's probably the feature i miss the most, gapless playback |
| 22:57:23 | preglow | gapless playback is pretty much the only reason i'm here. that and the possibility of doing dsp coding, heh |
| 22:57:45 | CoCoLUS | i thought you were here because of the nice looking girls all around... ;) |
| 22:58:37 | preglow | of course |
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| 23:01:29 | * | rasher ponders an iriverfaq |
| 23:01:53 | rasher | pt. 1. The original firmware won't boot now. Help! |
| 23:02:19 | CoCoLUS | a: be sure to press the record button while starting. |
| 23:02:31 | CoCoLUS | if that doesn't help - haha! you are soooo screwed ^^ |
| 23:02:41 | rasher | well no, sometimes something will happen that is fixed by running scandisk |
| 23:03:02 | CoCoLUS | well we don't have to tell them that don't we ^^ |
| 23:03:11 | rasher | it would save some time |
| 23:03:51 | CoCoLUS | but what is time if you can exchange it with some... fun... :) |
| 23:04:35 | CoCoLUS | there are some wicked people getting something out of hearing despaired users begging for help... *cough* |
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| 23:05:21 | CoCoLUS | honestly... i think its a good idea writting that scandisk fix down |
| 23:05:30 | rasher | do we know what causes this? |
| 23:05:37 | CoCoLUS | well i don't |
| 23:08:16 | rasher | I had it happen, and removing a bunch of files from the drive fixed it |
| 23:08:28 | rasher | didn't bother doing it gradually enough to find out which one caused it |
| 23:09:10 | stevenm | say, how old are people, anyway ? |
| 23:09:25 | pabs | i'm 9000 years old |
| 23:09:33 | stevenm | and what do you guys do normally outside of coding rockbox ? |
| 23:09:36 | * | Bagder is 22 |
| 23:09:38 | Bagder | hex |
| 23:09:54 | * | LinusN is 0x24 |
| 23:09:56 | pabs | i'll be 9001 in november |
| 23:10:04 | preglow | i'm 23, decimal |
| 23:10:50 | pabs | LinusN: you're 38? |
| 23:10:50 | stevenm | i'm 19.. decimal.. though I wish they graded the ee exam out of 100 octal |
| 23:11:00 | Bagder | youngsters |
| 23:11:05 | * | rasher is 25 octal |
| 23:11:06 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:11:26 | LinusN | pabs: 0x24 == 36 decimal |
| 23:12:06 | pabs | LinusN: i added wrong =-O |
| 23:12:15 | pabs | i should leave out of shame now :( |
| 23:12:16 | * | amiconn is 0x21 |
| 23:12:32 | LinusN | and i do embedded programming for a living |
| 23:12:39 | stevenm | sweet |
| 23:12:53 | * | CoCoLUS 's 19 |
| 23:13:03 | Bagder | embedded programming for fun and profit |
| 23:13:36 | * | rasher is a first year university student |
| 23:13:47 | preglow | last year hear, have to start doing some actual work soon |
| 23:13:50 | preglow | hear = here |
| 23:13:55 | * | CoCoLUS is last year... don't-know-the-aquivalent-in-english student |
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| 23:14:16 | stevenm | ah |
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| 23:14:33 | amiconn | preglow: I'm back to 2.4.27 now. The proxy package approach doesn't work. Will try to update to 2.4.27-2 Hope this works, grrfff |
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| 23:14:43 | stevenm | a bit off topic, but does anybody know anything about magstripe readers? |
| 23:15:00 | pabs | since we're all being witty, i'm 0x1a |
| 23:15:20 | LinusN | pabs: 0x1a != 9000 :-) |
| 23:15:26 | preglow | haha |
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| 23:15:48 | pabs | LinusN: i rounded up to the nearest 9000 |
| 23:15:54 | pabs | :D |
| 23:15:56 | stevenm | hah |
| 23:16:30 | preglow | http://www.8bitpeoples.com/discography_gfx.php#8BP044 for lovely music |
| 23:16:52 | * | rasher ends up with a one-question FAQ |
| 23:16:54 | preglow | LinusN: i assume we're not going to let the codecs actually use malloc and company? |
| 23:16:55 | rasher | any good ideas? |
| 23:17:29 | CoCoLUS | "can i use rockbox without rendering the original fw unusable?" |
| 23:17:30 | preglow | rasher: "q: where can i find a rockbox patched firmware" |
| 23:17:47 | rasher | check |
| 23:17:49 | CoCoLUS | "do i have to open my player to use rockbox" |
| 23:18:05 | LinusN | preglow: no |
| 23:18:08 | CoCoLUS | "does it void my waranty if i use rockbox" |
| 23:18:09 | amiconn | pabs: The nearest 9000 would have been 0 (or NULL, if you prefer that) ;) |
| 23:18:25 | stevenm | I need malloc ... |
| 23:18:36 | preglow | stevenm: use the mp3 buffer |
| 23:18:44 | preglow | stevenm: i assume you mean for patch data |
| 23:18:49 | pabs | amiconn: except that i rounded up |
| 23:19:01 | stevenm | preglow, yes |
| 23:19:16 | preglow | stevenm: everything sound output related should be put in the mp3 buffer, we'll have functions for that |
| 23:19:30 | preglow | stevenm: i was thinking more for internal structures and such |
| 23:19:39 | preglow | they should be fixed size |
| 23:19:51 | stevenm | preglow, all right.. I do sort of need that too, but mine are dynamic |
| 23:20:12 | stevenm | preglow, they are the actual midi tracks / events. very small, I guess that can go into the MP3 buffer too ? |
| 23:20:31 | preglow | stevenm: in your case, yes, they probably can, since your codec isn't streaming |
| 23:20:50 | preglow | for streaming codecs, putting non-audio stuff in the mp3 buffer is a big no no |
| 23:21:18 | stevenm | preglow, makes sense |
| 23:21:30 | CoCoLUS | such "rules" should be put together in the wiki. for the sound arch, shouldn't they? |
| 23:22:19 | preglow | CoCoLUS: nothing is final yet, these are just my thoughts on what the rules might be |
| 23:22:20 | stevenm | preglow, what about file i/o? Is there a way to read 1 byte from a file?.. also, is there text-based I/O or should I code that myself |
| 23:22:38 | preglow | stevenm: wthat's codec api stuff, which is not finished |
| 23:22:50 | stevenm | ah, all right |
| 23:23:13 | stevenm | well in that case.. I guess I better finish writing the whole synth before trying it on target |
| 23:23:31 | stevenm | plus, i just got EFMI running on linux and that will keep me busy for a few days |
| 23:23:57 | preglow | the libflac code is plain tiring to read |
| 23:24:09 | * | Bagder agrees with preglow |
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| 23:24:19 | Bagder | and then I've read only a veeeeery tiny bit |
| 23:24:28 | preglow | he has taken the c based oo thing to its illogical extreme |
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| 23:25:26 | amiconn | Hmm. Now I have a working kernel 2.4.27-2 plus headers. Let's see whether vmware tools like that... |
| 23:26:14 | rasher | there.. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFAQ |
| 23:26:23 | stevenm | amiconn, trying linux on vmware ? |
| 23:26:29 | amiconn | Yup |
| 23:27:06 | stevenm | amiconn, if it helps you... metropipe.net has this thing.. it's a free linux environment on an emulator on a flash drive |
| 23:27:30 | stevenm | you basically unzip it and run the emu, and it pops up a thing of linux in a window, off an ISO (based on DSL) |
| 23:27:51 | stevenm | it's got basic stuff like firefox, but no gcc, so you'd need to get that. it is debian based though |
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| 23:28:15 | LinusN | time to sleep |
| 23:28:18 | LinusN | nite all |
| 23:28:20 | | Part LinusN |
| 23:28:38 | * | preglow has beer |
| 23:28:53 | amiconn | stevenm: I'm trying debian. In fact, everything I need is cvs, gcc and x11 |
| 23:29:06 | stevenm | ah |
| 23:29:26 | stevenm | ok people, I have to go eat and do homework. i'll talk to you guys later |
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| 23:30:09 | | Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.205) |
| 23:30:40 | Bagder | hi hardeep |
| 23:30:45 | Bagder | got your iriver yet? |
| 23:30:47 | hardeep | hello |
| 23:30:55 | hardeep | yup, got it on the weekend |
| 23:31:08 | hardeep | first thing i did was load rockbox =) |
| 23:31:13 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:32:48 | rasher | awesome |
| 23:32:57 | rasher | gentoo is still bootstrapping |
| 23:33:09 | preglow | and it will still be in an hour! |
| 23:33:25 | rasher | I'm sure it will |
| 23:33:41 | rasher | if only it wasn't choking on my processor.. |
| 23:33:46 | preglow | funny thing... |
| 23:34:07 | rasher | did I mention how it's running at 100MHz instead of 400? |
| 23:34:13 | rasher | it's excellent |
| 23:34:56 | preglow | now, why would it do a thing like that? |
| 23:35:28 | rasher | wacky speedstep |
| 23:35:37 | rasher | and non-standard toshiba crap |
| 23:36:56 | amiconn | Grrrrrr. Vmware tools are installed now. Obviously the x server doesn't like them. Doesn't start anymore |
| 23:37:14 | rasher | why do you need them? |
| 23:37:31 | rasher | doesn't it run acceptably without them? |
| 23:37:39 | amiconn | Without them, working with vmware is simply annoying |
| 23:39:28 | amiconn | "Fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices" :( |
| 23:40:30 | preglow | rasher: it appears you danes know how to make beer |
| 23:40:51 | rasher | We do? |
| 23:41:02 | preglow | well, i don't know, i'm having an excellent danish beer now |
| 23:41:10 | rasher | what is it? |
| 23:41:13 | preglow | limfjordsporter |
| 23:41:24 | rasher | I'll make a note of that |
| 23:41:32 | preglow | it's pitch black |
| 23:41:48 | rasher | oh.. porter :-\ |
| 23:42:10 | preglow | :-D, you mean |
| 23:42:22 | rasher | http://www.guidetobeers.dk/Beers.asp?1383 |
| 23:42:37 | hardeep | blah, i'm already hating this joystick on the iriver |
| 23:43:08 | rasher | yeah, that's.. less than perfect |
| 23:43:09 | hardeep | i don't think the navi button should be used to play tracks, it's too easy to hit while navigating |
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| 23:43:38 | amiconn | Huh? "Cannot open device /dev/mouse No such file or directory" ????? |
| 23:44:05 | rasher | Maybe that's not where your mouse is |
| 23:44:08 | hardeep | amiconn: that's usually a symbolic link to the location of the device |
| 23:44:12 | rasher | or maybe vmware is screwing up things |
| 23:44:14 | hardeep | amiconn: has it been created? |
| 23:44:24 | rasher | what kind of mouse is it emulating? usb or ps/2? |
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| 23:44:32 | rasher | also yes, ls -l /dev/mouse |
| 23:45:17 | amiconn | It's not there. Vmware tools install their own mouse driver |
| 23:46:07 | amiconn | Some lines above the error message it just says VMWARE(0): vmmouse is available |
| 23:47:01 | rasher | oh, you probably need to remove the mouse stanza from /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 then |
| 23:47:24 | hardeep | is there a /dev/vmmouse ? |
| 23:47:50 | amiconn | hardeep: no |
| 23:48:21 | rasher | I think vmmouse is an x driver? |
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| 23:49:07 | amiconn | Section "InputDevice" |
| 23:49:18 | amiconn | Identifier "Mouse1" |
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| 23:49:25 | amiconn | Driver "vmmouse" |
| 23:49:36 | amiconn | Option "Protocol" "ps/2" |
| 23:49:55 | amiconn | Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" |
| 23:50:00 | Rick | heh |
| 23:50:02 | amiconn | ...but that doesn't exist |
| 23:50:04 | rasher | I blame vmware |
| 23:50:11 | Rick | I havn't bothered to install an x server in my rockbox vmware build enviornment |
| 23:50:12 | preglow | what is vmware? |
| 23:50:13 | Rick | too lazy |
| 23:50:16 | preglow | x86 emulator? |
| 23:50:21 | rasher | yup |
| 23:50:24 | preglow | ahh |
| 23:50:28 | Rick | I simply installed an ftp server |
| 23:50:32 | Rick | and access my files through that |
| 23:50:32 | Rick | ;P |
| 23:50:41 | amiconn | Rick: I want to test the x11 sim on a real x... Then I need X11, right? ;) |
| 23:50:45 | Rick | true |
| 23:50:51 | Rick | BUT |
| 23:50:57 | Rick | you could run realvnc |
| 23:50:58 | Rick | or similar |
| 23:51:05 | amiconn | urgs |
| 23:51:12 | Rick | easier imho ;P |
| 23:51:36 | preglow | amiconn: as i've said, if you don't want to waste time doing this, you can have a shell on my box, running x remote is very, very easy |
| 23:51:44 | * | Rick nods |
| 23:51:56 | Rick | realvnc rules especially when you are allowed to set it up on remote shells |
| 23:52:05 | amiconn | Running x remote is probably slow as hell via dsl |
| 23:52:07 | preglow | and i'm on 100mbit, so latency should be ok |
| 23:52:10 | Rick | hehe |
| 23:52:28 | amiconn | I'm on dsl, and dsl has big latency |
| 23:52:29 | preglow | yes, might be |
| 23:52:32 | preglow | yup |
| 23:52:46 | preglow | depends on how the sim works |
| 23:52:53 | preglow | they refresh the entire bitmap each frame, yes? |
| 23:53:10 | rob- | amiconn: try changing /dev/mouse to /dev/psaux |
| 23:53:15 | ncrawla | mmmm nicewDork |
| 23:53:16 | ncrawla | er |
| 23:53:19 | Bagder | the sim is quite OK from remote |
| 23:53:21 | ncrawla | nice work on the iriver porting |
| 23:53:24 | amiconn | There is no bitmap... it sets/resets each changed pixel as a tiny rectangle |
| 23:53:24 | preglow | x is pretty clever remote, it only transfers what's been changed, but if you need to transfer whole bitmaps, it'll be a bit slow |
| 23:53:27 | Bagder | imho |
| 23:53:34 | ncrawla | might have to give that a try on my ihp-120 |
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| 23:53:59 | Rick | preglow: hehe, yeah, and font metrics are slow as hell too |
| 23:54:02 | rob- | either that or create a link from /dev/mouse by typing ln -s /dev/psaux /dev/mouse |
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| 23:55:07 | preglow | running a sim test would be quick, if you've haven't got the port x needs blocked |
| 23:55:11 | ncrawla | hmm $149 for the p&e wiggler, that's not too bad |
| 23:56:02 | Bagder | ncrawla: it takes some soldering to use |
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| 23:56:18 | ncrawla | yup i had a feeling that'd be the case...heh |
| 23:56:20 | ncrawla | np |
| 23:56:25 | preglow | your player will be very non-portable |
| 23:56:26 | preglow | heh |
| 23:56:51 | preglow | linus found a nice connector to use, but you'd still have to open it all the time |
| 23:56:55 | ncrawla | yeah |
| 23:56:57 | ncrawla | understandable tho |
| 23:57:04 | preglow | i managed to break my casing in places just after opening it a few times :/ |
| 23:57:05 | amiconn | rob-: The link worked, thanks :) |
| 23:57:15 | preglow | that'd be around the side screws |
| 23:57:38 | preglow | i guess the warranty people will be less than impressed if i ever need their services |
| 23:57:47 | ncrawla | yeah not sure how much time i'd have for any serious devel stuff with all of the other projects goingon |
| 23:57:56 | preglow | other projects exist to be neglected! |
| 23:58:04 | ncrawla | heh |
| 23:58:59 | ncrawla | yea looking thru the 2.4 src now just to see what's up |
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