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#rockbox log for 2005-03-16

00:00:40ncrawlai've hated the fw's ui on my iriver ever since i got it
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00:01:53HClfresh air rocks.
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00:07:18preglowno shit
00:08:20rasherha ha gmail invitations
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00:23:51rasherremind me, does the green led turn off when the battery's full?
00:24:03rasher(on h100)
00:24:41BagderI think it does
00:24:54preglowlooks like libflac only uses realloc for metadata
00:24:58preglowRick: yes
00:25:01preglowrasher: yes
00:25:05preglowpremature autocomplete
00:25:15rasherit happens to everyone
00:26:09DMJCanyone know how much dual layer dvds cost?
00:27:07DMJCI only want 1 heh
00:27:27DMJCgoing to try backing up my wing commander games
00:28:05rasheroh, games.. I was reading savegames.. some savegames that'd be
00:28:30DMJCdon't worry... wing commander 4 has like 6 cds
00:28:53DMJCI'm creating a massive iso image
00:29:00DMJCusing daemon tools to check that it works
00:29:58rasherhm, 7
00:30:51Bagderthat's a lot
00:30:56pillDMJC, do you have privateer too?
00:31:15DMJCI own every wing commander game there is
00:31:28DMJCeven super wing commander for mac
00:31:35pilli would love to play privatter
00:31:39rashersounds like a personal problem
00:31:44DMJCand that remake on slashdot.... I worked on that
00:32:16pillholy shit
00:32:22pillthey did a Privateer remake
00:32:34pilli'm getting that right now
00:32:49DMJCdon't worry... it's just a fart in the wind
00:33:00DMJCWC:Universe is adding the entire universe map
00:33:34DMJChmm.. the map site seems down
00:33:48DMJC that's it
00:35:32pilloh my god this is pure adoration
00:35:55 Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house")
00:36:10DMJCtook us 5 long years
00:36:54pillhow legit is this privateer remake?
00:37:01pillisn't origin bitching?
00:37:07DMJCorigin is DEAD
00:37:19DMJCall the ip belongs to EA and they haven't said a word
00:37:38ncrawlammm wing commander
00:38:09pillis there a strike commander remake in project?
00:38:22DMJCnot that I know of
00:38:54DMJCthe vegastrike engine was always planned for a WC remake..
00:38:56*rasher prods the viewer patch
00:39:06DMJChence the vega name
00:39:12pillthis makes me want to play this game so bad
00:39:40DMJCthat's my new constantinople mesh
00:40:12DMJC(we actually have the original 3d meshes made by origin...)
00:40:26HClisn't that illegal?
00:41:05DMJCwe don't use them ingame
00:41:17DMJCwe never use that stuff in public
00:41:38*HCl doesn't want to sleep.
00:41:52DMJCsomeone inside origin copied them off their mainframe and dumped them on the net
00:42:08DMJCprivateer ships are around 30,000-40,000 polys
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00:43:31DMJCif you want renders I can give them out
00:43:40DMJCbut the models aren't really available
00:43:56DMJCabout 5 people have all of them and they don't give them out
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00:46:21preglowthought you bundled them
00:47:14DMJCwe had some screenshots up of them in the engine, but we pulled those pretty quick when it looked like we'd actually finish the prohject
00:57:15preglowif anyone wants to adopt a codec:
00:58:06rashercharge dammit!
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00:59:32*rasher waits for the green light to go off
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00:59:47HClmaybe if you sacrifice a chicken it'll charge faster
01:00:14rasherI did that yesterday
01:00:28HClmaybe you have to sacrifice something bigger
01:00:32HCl<.< >.>
01:00:35Bagderwe prefer goats here
01:00:37HCl*holds up pike*
01:05:41rasher3 hour charge..
01:05:45rashernow when did I start..
01:06:21rasher2.5 hours ago..
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01:09:55preglowoh, it does take quite a while to charge
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01:12:32amiconnbah... I seem to be missing some X11 header files
01:13:23Bagderinstalled libx11-dev ?
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01:16:50amiconnMaybe this is missing. Now the next challenge: find out how to add this...
01:17:07Bagder'apt-get install libx11-dev'
01:17:08preglowapt-get install libx11-dev?
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01:18:21*Bagder goes to sleep
01:18:24amiconnHmm. The point is, how do I (1) know how this package is called exactly, in advance or (2) how can I search a package list (in a graphical or menu like tool)
01:18:24preglowaye, ditto
01:18:38preglowapt-cache search keyword
01:19:10preglowthat'll list all manners of close matches, both in package name and description
01:19:13amiconnThat's no exactly what I want/need/mean
01:19:20rasheras for graphical package tool
01:19:25rasherapt-get install aptitude
01:19:45preglowahh, i thought aptitude was an ubuntu thing
01:20:02gapHey guys −− question: the current wave test for the iRiver fw, why does the sample play too fast?
01:20:05rasherthey may have a newer version.
01:20:40amiconnrasher: 'aptitude is already the latest version'
01:20:52preglowgap: does it matter? it's just a demonstration
01:20:55rasherexcellent, run it :)
01:20:58gaptrue enough
01:21:12preglowgap: it won't be put in rockbox playing the sample too fast, don't worry
01:21:14amiconnrasher: It's not in the menu. However, just found synaptics
01:21:38gapI'm aware of that, I wondered if there was a technical reason that it currently plays fast
01:21:54preglowgap: wouldn't know, the guys who wrote it aren't around
01:21:59gapI know that the I2C code is a little fresh
01:23:12gapSo, the developers who were supposed to be working on the codec arch are currently AWOL?
01:23:48preglowwell, there are no developers who are supposed to work on it, but the ones who said they'd have a look have been otherwise tied up
01:24:01gapah, ok
01:24:51preglowdevelopment have been pretty slow lately, so i guess people have a lot on their hands
01:25:25gapI don't fault anyone for it −− I know how that is. I'm fighting the urge to jump in right now just because I have a lot of side projects that need finishing
01:25:45preglowpft, as i've said earlier, side projects exist to be neglected
01:25:50gapBut I have been wanting to get back to C recently; coding in Java for classes makes you feel "dirty" after a while
01:25:55amiconnHmm. That helped somewhat, however I'm still missing some headers. Is there a way to find out which package provides a certain file?
01:25:56preglowahh, i can imagine
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01:26:25preglowwell, you're welcome to help, that's for sure
01:26:37gapThe fact that I have to typecast simple division in java has got to tell someone something
01:27:02gapI just have to build a crosscompiler first
01:27:29rasherit's not a lot of work if you have a running linux system
01:27:57gapIs there a way to compile one for Win32, or do I have to use cygwin?
01:28:01preglowamiconn: you pretty much have to ask people, i think
01:28:08preglowamiconn: what file?
01:28:32rasheramiconn: can tell, with a bit of luck
01:28:41preglowthere's no central database on what files are contained in what deb packages, that'd be a very large database
01:28:42rasherbut asking is usually faster if someone is around
01:28:52rasherpreglow: in fact has one
01:28:59preglowdidn't know
01:29:30gapOne of the things I have hated about the h1xx series is that it isn't even as good fw-wise as the imp-4xx series that came before it
01:30:06gapI got the iMP-400 a couple of years before the H120 and loved it, but was somewhat let down when the H120 didn't have some of the features the 400 had
01:30:12preglownow, that's one thing we can remedy
01:30:19gapyes, finally!
01:30:43rasherwhich features are missing?
01:31:15amiconnrasher: Thanks, very useful :) Turns out I need xlibs-dev
01:31:18gapWell, for starters, the WPS is all wrong. The imp-400 nicely scrolls the information you select, Title - Artist - Album, etc.
01:31:29gapThe h120 just shows the folder name and track name
01:31:33gapand not even that on the remote
01:31:43gapwell, actually...
01:31:50gapthe main screen I suppose does show more
01:31:57gapand the remote shows just the folder and title
01:32:02rasheryeah, the wps is retarded
01:32:27gapThen, the imp-400 also has more visualizations. It may be vain, but I liked the waveform vis
01:32:34amiconnBtw, rockbox really compiles faster on linux. That's on the same machine, with linux having the additional handicap of running on vmware. I wonder why that is....
01:32:37gapthe h120 only shows the level meter
01:32:51rasheramiconn: cygwin is a beast..
01:33:03HClwindows is slower.
01:33:17rasherI'm pretty sure cygwin is to blame here
01:33:22gapI dunno, the 400 has just seemed well thought-out while the h120 seemed "rushed"
01:33:28gapLike, they wanted to get it out there
01:33:48gapLet's not even talk about the database...
01:33:52rasherand then abandoned it ..
01:33:57rasherthe database...
01:34:00preglowcygwin is to blame
01:34:06preglowthe same stuff runs faster in mingw
01:34:23gapYeah, I like how they didn't update the fw for the h series at all but released 2 updates for the 400 in that time
01:34:48rasherlet's not talk about the "gap delete"...
01:34:51gapLike, for 6 mos after it's release, people were crying for h series fw and iriver goes and updates the older fw
01:34:52rashera cruel joke
01:34:58gapgap delete is pretty lame
01:35:11gapAnd I can honestly say I've never needed the lyrics feature
01:35:18gapI don't have the time to ADD them
01:35:25rasherHaha, that is so horrible
01:35:34rasherespecially since the display can show like 3 words at a time
01:35:37gap1000 songs and I'm going to spend HOW LONG adding lyrics?
01:35:41rasherhorrible wrapping and font
01:35:56rasherI tried it on one file
01:36:15gapwhy do they like the 12 point bold default font? I liked RB the minute it loaded because I could finally see more than 4 files at a time!
01:36:17amiconnX11 simulator running... very nice :)
01:36:42rasherplus the lyrics-adding app is very bad
01:37:30gaphrm... I can't seem to open the VC DSP file for the UI Sim in VS 2003
01:37:37preglowdoes vmware run the code natively?
01:37:44preglowor some jit thing?
01:37:50gapwait, n/m
01:37:51gapgot it
01:38:13HClwell, a combo of both
01:38:20HClit has to reroute all the out/in and interrupts
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01:39:57gapPreprocessor directives give me a headache in source files when they're nested...
01:41:38preglowi welcome you to have a look at fixed.h in libmad
01:41:49preglowfetch a bucket first
01:42:02gapI think I'd rather maintain my sanity
01:43:26gaphrm... the win32 target for ui sim doesn't seem to ready to build.
01:43:34gapI think I might just have to shell into a unix box here
01:44:35amiconngap: the win32 simulator is ready to build. However, the msvc project doesn't work, only cygwin
01:44:42gapah, ok
01:44:52gapYeah, MSVC doesn't seem to like it
01:44:55rasherbe done with, stupid charger
01:45:10gapIt likes gifts
01:45:14gapof shiny objects
01:45:19gapand your first born child'
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01:45:33amiconngap: There used to be a working msvc project, before the new simulator build system, and some other changes
01:45:40gapah, k
01:45:53rasherI like how the charger accepts both 110v and 220v
01:46:12gapThat's always a plus
01:46:17amiconnIt seems no current developer on win uses/possesses msvc (at least I don't)
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01:47:16preglowyeah, it's a switched mode one
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01:48:49preglowi've got msvc, but little or no will to make the sim work with it
01:49:42preglowshould probably use an older version than .net to make the files anywa, a lot of people use older versions
01:50:03amiconnImho it's unnecessary. The advantage of cygwin is that it allows to build both the win32 and the x11 sim
01:51:05amiconnIf it only were a bit faster, no that I can see how much faster compilation runs under linux...
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01:53:53preglowbut i'll go to bed
01:53:56preglowlater, all
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01:54:51gapAnyone know what the status is on the remote? I know the wiki says that it isn't working quite yet
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01:54:59gapbut I wondered if anyone knew why
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01:56:28rashersomeone said he'd start working on it.. can't remember who though..
02:00:09rasherCharging finished!
02:00:25*rasher starts test
02:04:17gapBTW Who got the call from TI yesterday?
02:07:11rasherI believe
02:08:04gapDid he say what chip they were trying to id for him?
02:08:44rasherI can't remember
02:09:11gapHow long does the bat test have to run for?
02:09:38rasheruntil it dies
02:09:56rasherI'm guessing a long time
02:10:11gapConsidering that with the original fw the estimate was like 18 hours...
02:10:21gapwith lots of HD activity, I've had it die after about 3
02:10:30rasherI'm doing what I can to make it drain afst
02:10:31gaplike, on USB when streaming a video file
02:10:49rasherfull cpu speed, lots of disk access, lcd light on
02:10:53gapMaybe have it walk the file tree?
02:11:06rashertoo much work :)
02:11:13rasherlet me just check that it's working right
02:11:39rasheryup, that looks right
02:12:47*rasher fills up the battery again
02:14:41amiconnHmm. I don't get the strange effect with my new button handling that preglow described. It's working just fine, smooth and reliable :-) ? :-/
02:15:10gapWhat strange effect?
02:15:46amiconnHe said that if it scrolls a long list, it stops intermittently for a short time
02:16:32rashergot a patch?
02:17:15gapBTW, how do I build the uisim for win32 in cygwin?
02:17:53rasherrun tools/configure and select the player, sim, win32
02:18:00amiconnYup."> You'll also need Stick it in uisimulator/x11. It's different from the other kernel.c files...
02:18:39amiconnBeware. The current patch switches off x11 button autorepeat
02:18:47rasherI'll survive
02:18:59amiconnThis is only possible globally, so I need to add focus/unfocus handling
02:19:35*rasher builds
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02:20:47*rasher builds again
02:22:28rasherwhat the..
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02:23:03rasherI must've done something wrong
02:23:13rasherno cpu_boost()
02:23:21rashertotally unrelated to the patch of course
02:23:37amiconncpu_boost in the simulator ?
02:23:48rasheroh right
02:23:58rasherforgot to check for dynamic cpu
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02:27:08RaZorbacKHello all
02:27:27rasheramiconn: I can't produce a glitch
02:28:00RaZorbacKhey guys can i ask u a little question about rockbox?
02:28:16rasherjust ask
02:29:21amiconnrasher: Nice :) Btw, with the new button code, it is finally possible to use rockboy in the x11 sim
02:30:03RaZorbacKok. i'm using windows xp and a jukebox player. my xp doesn't recognize my player by defaut so i have downloaded a driver from archos site and now it works. but, very often now, when i plugged my box on the usb port i have a blue screen and i have to reboot the pc. very annoying. is there a good working driver because i think it comes from it?
02:31:12gapHrm, guys, I'm getting this error when I go to build the ui sim for win32: "MAKE in libFLAC bitbuffer.c:32:39: global.h: No such file or directory"
02:32:43rasher"Dir Buffer is full"
02:32:46rasherwell that's cute :)
02:32:58rasherwhen does that happen?
02:33:17Rickgap: did you configure?
02:33:30Ricksounds like an include path problem then
02:33:40rasherah, I see.
02:33:50gapIt doesn't matter, though, I found that it had already made rockboxui.exe
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02:34:01RaZorbacKso guys no ideas for me? :) I know that everyone use linux now but... :-)
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02:34:45gapIt may be possible that you are getting the blue screen because you are using a win98 driver under XP
02:34:59gapI had a friend who had a similar problem with another player
02:35:16amiconnRaZorbacK: I also use the stock drivers from the archos site for my player (recorder with usb2 works without special drivers in xp)
02:35:20gapXP for some reason wouldn't use the XP driver
02:35:22amiconnNo crashes...
02:36:14amiconnWell, the usb1 archoses (player/studio and recorder <= 15) are not fully usb mass storage compatible, so they need a special driver
02:36:40RaZorbacKnonetheless the file seems to be for win xp according to the site
02:36:50RaZorbacKbut, i have to double check
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02:38:05RaZorbacKsome friends have told me that htey effectively use their recorder without driver under xp
02:38:21RaZorbacKbut the player (usb 1) is not correctly detected
02:39:20amiconnSee my last comment. The usb2 archoses are usable without special drivers in WinXP, the usb1 units are not.
02:40:21RaZorbacKoki, so, it may be a problem coming form the driver or i haven't dl the correct one. gonna have a lool at the site once again.
02:40:27RaZorbacKthanks for the help
02:41:19RaZorbacKbtw, i have just flashed my old player, it works like a charm, thank to those who made this peace of code
02:41:58amiconnNice :) Actually it was me who made flashing players finally possible...
02:42:16***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
02:42:28amiconnI just checked. I'm using the drivers from the archos hp, but *not* the latest version
02:42:35RaZorbacKthanks a whole bunch. the boot is definetly faster
02:42:45amiconnDunno if these are still available
02:43:44RaZorbacKho can u plz if possible send them to me or up them on a ftp if they are not available?
02:46:01RaZorbacKlol thx i've never used this feature on irc. i have a basic client, i'm not on it so much
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02:49:08amiconnArgh! the x11 sim on linux segfaults if I try to use rockboy. Most likely endianess macro prob
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03:10:03gapboy, the crosscompiler takes forever to make
03:10:19gapat least in cygwin
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03:43:03wacky_hey guys
03:43:14wacky_Some times I can't boot my original iRiver firmware either
03:43:20wacky_but I found some tips and infos...
03:44:09rasherdo tell
03:45:35wacky_first I found that it mostly fails when I write to the disk using the Rockbox firmware..
03:45:45wacky_I was trying to make playlists
03:45:54wacky_and run iriverify on them to use them on the original firmware..
03:46:00wacky_but some times the original firmware didn't boot anymore.
03:46:12wacky_When I removed the files I created.. or played around a little, it booted correctly.
03:46:40wacky_This didn't happen before we twiddled with the fat.c section where we randomized the 8.3 filename, so maybe we have a starting point.
03:46:48wacky_I'm going to investigate a little bit more right away
03:46:58rasherthere's probably a real bug hiding around here, or maybe iRiver just isn't fully fat32 compliant?
03:49:38ncrawlahmm my guess is that if the iriver wasn't fully fat32 compliant that i would've run into some problem by now
03:50:48ncrawlai use my ihp120 under win32 and fbsd and have read/written thousands of fucked up mp3 filenames on the thing
03:51:20ncrawlaespecially stuff coming from usenet...heh
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03:52:37*rasher updates iriverfaq slightly
03:54:48*rasher WikiWikiBangs his head on his desk
03:56:30ncrawlaso is there anybody here that i would be able to beg/bribe to revive a dead iriver with the BDM in the event that something goes horribly awry with my rockbox install ?
03:56:40ncrawlawould just like to know before i take the plunge
03:56:58ncrawlareally wanna start hacking on it tho
03:57:29rasherThat would be Linus
03:57:33wacky_hey guys.. I can't surf through the flash orgy of hell out there on
03:57:35ncrawlatwiki rules
03:57:43wacky_could anyone give me a link to the 1.65 F/W page ?
03:57:48wacky_or the downloads section?
03:57:57rasherhang on
03:58:07*rasher puts on his flash-resistant hat
03:58:45rashertwiki is alright, it's just that I keep forgetting the different link syntaxes
03:59:09rasherUn an unrelated note: gentoo still bootstrapping
03:59:23rasherwacky_: us or eu?
03:59:39wacky_well.. the page that tells what's new
03:59:57rasherrecording features
03:59:59ncrawlayea i started using twiki long ago for tracking internal docs at an isp
04:00:47wacky_ok good :))
04:00:52wacky_recording features ?
04:01:01wacky_no gapless, yet ?
04:01:03rasherI haven't looked too close at it
04:01:06rasherheavens no
04:01:28*wacky_ doesn't care.. he uses gap delete instead
04:01:38rasherWell it's not the same at all
04:01:39wacky_it's so close to what I want anyway :)
04:01:48wacky_lol.. yeah.. unfortunately, I know
04:02:31rasherany amount of gap is too much if you ask me
04:02:45ncrawlahmm 1.65 f/w for which player?
04:02:45wacky_I can't reproduce easily the bug on my iRiver now..
04:03:02rasherncrawla: h100 series
04:03:05ncrawlathey only seem to have 1.60 available for the h(100|120|140)
04:03:16rasheruhm, no
04:03:18gapGRR. I can't seem to build the crosscompiler
04:03:40gapI get "bison: subsidiary program `/home/Guy/src/missing m4' not found" when making the binutils
04:03:59rasherin case you didn't know, the bootloader has NOT been tested with 1.65, so don't try using it :)
04:05:30ncrawlacurrent d/l links for the h100 series f/w are:
04:05:31DBUGEnqueued KICK ncrawla
04:05:36rasherI pity my iriver, it's been decoding "catch the digital flow" over and over again for ages
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04:06:05rasherncrawla: what does that give you?
04:06:06wacky_lol :)
04:06:26wacky_ncrawla - look at the worldwide site.. often iriveramerica is way behind
04:06:28ncrawlaseems to be 1.60
04:06:42rasher1.60.. that's 2 versions behind!
04:07:02rasherwhich reminds me.. should probably check the link in the wiki
04:07:06gapAnyone know why I am getting the message that I am when I make binutils?
04:07:19gaprasher: I used it yesterday, it seems okay
04:07:22ncrawlayea the links came from
04:07:23rashernope, sorry
04:07:31rashergap: and gave you 1.63?
04:07:48gapNo, uh, the safe build to use with the loader
04:08:15gapThe hash matched one of the ones in the table
04:08:15rasherThere are direct links to 1.63eu and 1.63us in the wiki
04:08:32gapkay, it was 1.63us
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04:08:59rasherbut they link to a file "H120(us)", so that should be alright
04:09:05wacky_hmm.. can't get it to crash anymore...
04:09:14rasherJust didn't want the wiki to link to 1.65
04:09:41gapWhat version of gcc is needed for coldfire?
04:09:41ncrawlahuh on i search for ihp-120 or h100 and i get nothing..
04:09:48ncrawlaam i missing something..?
04:10:11rasher :)
04:10:15rasherI forget how I got there
04:10:28rasheroh yeah, there was a link on the frontpage somewhere
04:11:06ncrawlaah yep that's got 1.65 on it
04:11:41rasherand has direct links to 1.63
04:16:31ncrawlayeah so i'm gonna upgrade my iriver to 1.63, back it up and then try rockbox
04:16:42gapgrr. I don't understand this. Bison tells me that it can't find /usr/Guy/src/missing but the script is there.
04:17:12ncrawlai'm just the md5/fw ver/bootloader.bin ver table on IriverBoot...what H1x0 models is everybody using
04:17:22gapH120 here
04:18:09rasherthe firmware is the same, surely?
04:18:29gapI think
04:18:34rasherwell it is
04:19:42wacky_is there a way I could submit a new plugin ?
04:19:57rasherJesus.. gentoo puts dos2unix and unix2dos in seperate ebuilds.. small wonder they end up with a million of them
04:20:11rasherwacky_: file it as a patch, or bug a dev here
04:20:17ncrawlayeah i don't know why the us site has a different 1.60 f/w for the ihp-100 than the ihp-120 and ihp-140
04:20:34wacky_the us site just s*cks
04:20:35rasheris there even a ihp-100?
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04:20:49wacky_ihp-110.. the first batches.. but not ihp-100 :)
04:20:55wacky_heheh, unless it came with a 0GB hhd
04:21:07ncrawlayea the us site is just whacked
04:21:22rasherthe h110 differ from h120/h140
04:22:17ncrawlaso i guess i'll back up my iriver, get 1.63 on it and start working on getting the sh1 cross compiler working
04:22:52rasherwacky_: I'd do both.. file a patch with just the plugin.c, and see if you can catch anyone here
04:24:00wacky_on the site ?
04:24:03ncrawlaer i guess m68k i mean
04:24:15gapFor win32 or linux?
04:24:38gapscratch the win32. x86 platform?
04:24:54wacky_ncrawla - you want a .tar.bz2 of my cross-compiling env ? I run linux/x86
04:25:05ncrawlai'll most likely be doing it all in linux tho fbsd would be nice
04:25:20wacky_hmm.. don't know much about fbsd
04:25:24ncrawlayeah that would be nice
04:25:38ncrawlahave access to lots of linux boxen
04:26:32gapI need one too... been trying to get the crosscompiler to make for the last hour
04:26:34wacky_it's 14Mb compressed, 40 uncompressed
04:27:42rashergap: that's compiled for linux..
04:27:51rasheraren't you doing cygwin?
04:27:58wacky_gap - for linux, yeah..
04:28:01rasheror am I making stuff up
04:28:43wacky_just dump that .tar.bz2 somewhere and do: export PATH=/path/to/that/place/bin:$PATH
04:28:57ncrawlathat should be right..
04:29:00wacky_and follow the rest of the stuff, ../tools/configure, then make
04:29:14wacky_what I do is make a zip and unzip -d /mnt/removable
04:29:25ncrawlaer hm
04:29:29wacky_so I do 'make zip' and then 'unzip -d /mnt/removable' from within my 'build' subdir
04:29:29ncrawlaResolving failed: Host not found.
04:29:41wacky_try out instead is a redirection anyway
04:29:54gapYes, I'm using cygwin
04:30:18wacky_so is Linus going to test the 1.65 soon ? :)
04:30:20ncrawlayeah seems to be working now i just had to try it a couple of times
04:31:42rasherwacky_: I don't think it's a very high priority.. plus he appears to have been busy lately
04:32:26wacky_what are the risks ?
04:32:38rashera brick
04:32:56wacky_oh please, a paperweight, at least!
04:32:56rashernot sure how likely it is though
04:33:59rasherI think the tools do some checks when injecting the bootloader into the firmware
04:35:21gapFigured out what was wrong with the build, I think...
04:35:33gapm4 wasn't installed at the time of the configure; it was installed afterward
04:35:36gapso it marked it missing
04:35:47gapIt didn't say in the wiki that m4 was needed
04:36:03rasheradd a note :)
04:40:07gapHow do you install m4 on Mandrake and debian?
04:40:18gapurpmi m4 and apt-get m4 ?
04:40:30gapapt-get install m4 ?
04:40:37rasherapt-get install m4 indeed
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04:50:38wacky_hmmmm.. I'm really tempted to try out the 1.65 with the bootloader :) Everything compiled and scrambled/descrambled well.......
04:51:01wacky_rasher - do you live near Linus ?
04:52:43rasherneighbouring country
04:53:21rasherI really don't think you should :-\
04:53:28wacky_what about you trying to paperweightify you iRivier ?
04:53:56wacky_come on!! :)) I send you the .hex file and you try out :) heehee! let's go
04:54:05rasherI'm in no hurry to get 1.65 going
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04:54:37wacky_ahh.. I'd like to have a bit more recording options.. but I can't live without the playlist support of the rockbox
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04:56:06*wacky_ will waaaaaaaaaait then..
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05:20:25wacky_how can I create a patch with a file not in CVS ?
05:20:35wacky_cvs diff -u won't deal with files not in CVS
05:20:44rasheris this for a plugin?
05:21:05wacky_yeah.. but I have a couple of mods in SOURCES and viewers.config .. so I want a single patch with the whole file and tiny details around
05:21:27rasherjust submit the c file and a diff I think
05:21:42wacky_in the patches tracker ?
05:22:29rasherjust the c file is fine for a plugin, but I guess the viewers info needs to go somewhere
05:35:41wacky_ok I submitted the patch.
05:35:51wacky_Is the patch tracker used a lot by the team ?
05:36:05rasherI'm not entirely sure how much
05:36:14wacky_see you guys later
05:36:25wacky_going to try later to investigate the booting problem
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05:47:03gapI cannot believe that the compiler has been making for like an hour
05:48:13rasherwhat kind of cpu?
05:48:43gapWell, 1 GHz PIII, but, it's running in Cygwin
05:49:47rasheriirc, cygwin is bad at program startup
05:49:56rasherwhich happens a lot during compilations
05:51:43gapdamn it: ccwoz6Pb.s: Assembler messages:
05:51:49gapError: operands mismatch −− statement `fmovem.l %fpcr,%d1' ignored
05:51:54gapError: operands mismatch −− statement `fmovem.l %fpcr,%d1' ignored
05:52:10gapWell that's lovely
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05:57:42rasherthat's.. precious
05:58:39gapyah, I don't know how to recover from it
05:58:43gapIt halted the make
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06:00:44gapI suppose I'll have to switch to a slightly older release of gcc
06:00:45rasherI have no idea.. sorry
06:00:59gapI was trying to make gcc-3.4.3
06:01:04gapI'll try 3.4.0
06:01:21rasherthat's.. older?
06:02:39rasheririver still running
06:03:25rasherBattery level: C0
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06:40:13Bagdergap: you really using the binutils from CVS?
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06:49:18rasherI have battery data
06:50:31gapI was using the binutils from CVS, yes
06:50:39gaprasher: How's the data?
06:51:19rasherit's more or less linear with a sudden drop at the end
06:51:48rasheror actually..
06:51:54gapThat's normal, I'd imagine
06:52:16rasherprobably more or less sqrt()
06:53:07gapBTW How do you unzip a bz2 archive in linux?
06:53:31rashertar as well?
06:53:42rashertar xvjf filename.tar.bz2
06:54:00gapOkay, thanx
06:54:10gapI didn't know if it was similar to gzip
06:54:25rasherit is, except z -> j
06:56:36gapWhy is cygwin so slow?">">
07:00:05gapVery smart of you to record the time as well −− that way you didn't have to keep track of it
07:00:13gapGood job rasher
07:00:43gapThis should help us make an accurate battery meter
07:00:43rasherlet's hope it's useful
07:01:09gapWell, I'd say the warning messages about the battery should start around 210 or less
07:01:28gapMaybe 200
07:10:16rasherthere, added to the wiki
07:19:17gapWell, I'm gonna get off now. Talk to you all later!
07:19:24gapAgain, good work rasher
07:19:32gapSee you
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08:16:07LinusNany iriver owners here who use the digital out?
08:32:38amiconnIs digital out necessary to catch the digital flow? ;)
08:33:18dwihnoI love that iriver tune! :)
08:33:20dwihnoIt's so funky!
08:33:43LinusNwas about to try on my home stereo, but i dodn't have the correct optical cable :-(
08:35:53LinusNit would be awful if we had to set up a timer interrupt every 20us...
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08:53:57LiehbethLinusN: I use it occasionally.
08:54:54dwihnoLinusN: The 1.8" disks are some kind of special low power mode? Do you know which voltage they operate under?
08:55:11*dwihno goes studying english since he's not making any sense at all anymore :)
08:58:57LinusNLiehbeth: does your stereo report the sampling rate?
08:59:23LiehbethI'm actually using the front panel of the Audigy 2 Platinum
09:00:04LinusNi want to know if the h1x0 really outputs 48khz or if it downsamples to 44.1khz
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09:01:43LiehbethHmm.. I'll do some searching. I may not be able to get much, though, as I've heard that the Audigy 2 does some funky things to digital I/O.
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09:33:19kurzhaarrockerCould someone do me a favor and verify that the patch ("recledtrig_bar.patch") at is downloadable an that the file really looks like a patch file? I tried to upload it serveral times using different browsers and usually the file was either scrambled or all linefeeds were missing.
09:36:20Schnueffi get recledtrig_bar.patch with md5sum 3824d6c1f075568bd88bd27d99890b14
09:36:45kurzhaarrockerdoes it look like a patch file?
09:36:55Schnueffthere's a stray CR in it
09:37:34Schnueffjust following set_poweroff_timeout(global_settings.poweroff);
09:37:55kurzhaarrockerwell, I think people can live with it :)
09:37:59kurzhaarrockerThank you, Schnueff
09:39:01LiehbethLinusN: It doesn't look like I'm going to get any results any time soon. I'll let you know if I do, though.
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09:50:36Lynx_kurzhaarrocker: not that i doubted it, but you were right with the hd pcb, it didn't work on the other one...
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09:54:17kurzhaarrockergcc -O -ansi -g -c -o scramble.o scramble.c
09:54:17kurzhaarrockermake[2]: *** [scramble.o] Error 255
09:54:28LinusNno compiler?
09:54:44LinusNgcc −−version
09:54:48kurzhaarrockerseems you're right
09:55:23*kurzhaarrocker tries to track down where his compiler has gone on holiday
09:55:36LinusNhe left you
09:56:09LinusNhe said he felt unappreciated
09:56:40kurzhaarrockerI didn't care for it for a long time...
09:57:18LinusNyou have to take care of it, and give it some source code once in a while
09:58:28kurzhaarrockerI should get an upgrade anyway. It produced fat objects. Bigger than necessary.
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10:08:38kurzhaarrockerfor building the toos I need the gcc-core and not the gcc-g++ compiler, right?
10:11:39kurzhaarrocker(where it says Devel - gcc but cygwin offers plenty gcc variants)
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10:55:15kurzhaarrockeryay - with the new compiler rockbox + triggered recording is small enough to fit into rombox again.
11:00:28amiconnI told you...
11:00:53CoCoLUSwhat? :)
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14:05:23preglowstrange battery log
14:08:23preglowrasher made a battery log
14:08:26preglowits in the wiki
14:09:00HCl*goes to see*
14:10:28HCldon't see it o.o;
14:11:12HClthats nice, but i have no idea what the numbers mean :X
14:12:29preglowit's what you read out the battery level adc
14:13:03HClhe managed to read battery levels
14:14:40preglowwe've always been able to do that
14:14:58preglowhe just logged the battery levels in a mpa2wav decoding loop to see how the level changed with actual battery capacity
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14:24:42HClwhy doesn't battery reading work in rockbox then...?
14:24:53HCl3 hours isn't much
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14:25:06preglowas i said, it's in a mpa2wav decoding loop
14:25:13HClonto disk?
14:25:17LinusNwhich keeps the disk spinning
14:25:18HClor onto ram?
14:25:20HClah. ok.
14:25:35preglowbattery reading doesn't work in rockbox because this data was produced less than half a day ago
14:26:53LinusNnext thing will be to map the ADC readings to actual voltages, then we can make the battery meter work
14:27:18LinusNi'm hoping to do those measurements this evening
14:27:23preglowwell, that should just be a quick measurement, yes?
14:27:28preglowthat is, two quick measurements
14:27:42HCl :)
14:27:55HCli think i'll take a look at playing mods soon..
14:28:05HClmod players used to be cool
14:28:14preglowthey still are, god damn it!"#¤!
14:28:32HCli just say used to because i don't listen to them anymore
14:28:47preglowmy mod collection vanished in the great disk crash of 2004, but they're all available on the net
14:28:50LinusNi asked a question on the mr forum about the optical sampling rate, no reply so far
14:29:03HClthe great disk crash.
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14:29:27*kurzhaarrocker can't help LinusN because he doesn't own any IRivers
14:29:35HClwhy is it so hard to find certain music on the net :/
14:29:37tvelocityyeah i lost a lot of files to on the great disk crash of 2004
14:29:52HCli don't suppose any of you have "rochelle - eternal flame (almighty definitive mix)"
14:30:24preglowi can't make my minidisc player display sample rate, so no help here either
14:30:33preglowand that's the only thing i've got that accepts optical in
14:31:50tvelocitymy sound card accepts optical in. does that help at all?
14:32:00HClone of my flatmates has some optical stuff. but i don't have an optical cable..
14:32:07preglowtvelocity: well, yes, if you can somehow read the sampling rate on the incoming stream
14:32:32tvelocityi have no idea how to do that (if it's possible)
14:32:42tvelocityi've never used it before
14:32:48preglowit should be very possible, but i've not experience with s/pdif on pcs, so i don't know
14:32:48LinusNlooks like rockbox for the ifp-5xx might be a no-go :-(
14:32:54preglowLinusN: how come?
14:33:17LinusNthe dsp is not user-programmable
14:33:28LinusNyou have to use the non-free philips codecs
14:34:41LinusN"The EPICS7A core is not currently programmable by the end user at this time. Our firware engineers currently use assebly at our factory to program the core with features. I have not been made aware that this feature will be optional for the end user in anytime soon."
14:35:59preglowis everything half-baked?
14:36:05preglowi want a player that has perfect hardware, god damnit
14:36:49LinusNit's all about time-to-market
14:36:55preglowyes, of course
14:38:25preglowis the battery glued to the back case of the player or what?
14:38:28Lynx_I always wonder if it would be possible to design an open source hardware player, and then have it manufactured...
14:38:46kurzhaarrockerYou always should have a few TORX 172 around...
14:38:47preglowLynx_: possible, yes, cause of your personal bankrupcy, yes
14:38:50Lynx_An how high the initial investment would be
14:38:55LinusNperfectly possible, but marketing is a hell
14:39:08preglowi've got torx drivers
14:39:15preglowbut the battery is friggin' stuck
14:39:20Lynx_preglow: well, looking at the fundraising of websites, it should be possible...
14:39:59preglowwell, sure, try :P
14:40:03preglowi'll back you up
14:40:04kurzhaarrockerI don't mean torx screw drivers but optical spdif receivers :)
14:40:13Lynx_one would have to get a few thousand people to pay for the player in advance, trusting it will be good if they can follow and influence the design process
14:40:42Lynx_preglow: ok, for backup i need 50000$, for starters ;)
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14:43:17preglowno backup, this is gambling, baby
14:44:10Lynx_hehe. how many units does one have to produce to get into the iriver/archos priceranges? hundreds or thousands or more?
14:44:30preglowmore than thousand
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14:58:03rasherglad the battery log is useful
15:05:18preglowi wonder what the weird spikes come from
15:06:21LinusNprobably from the backlight when rasher pushed a key to check the display...?
15:08:21preglowrasher: is this so?
15:08:41preglowsounds very plausible, at least
15:08:46preglowbacklight does suck quite a bit of power
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15:09:06rasherno, I didn't touch it
15:09:12rasherhad the backlight on at all times
15:10:00rasherit doesn't even fit hdd spinup
15:10:17preglowhdd just spins up once at the start, no?
15:10:42rasherhrm, I think it read the file each time
15:10:46rashernot quite sure though
15:10:53preglowa, you didn't disk write?
15:11:07rasheroh right
15:11:15rashersilly me
15:11:20preglowi also wonder why the curve is so irregular
15:11:27preglowbut i don't know a whole lot about batteries
15:11:39LinusNyou mean it drops off fast at the end?
15:11:53preglowno, that is understandable
15:12:04preglowthe level is very steady for a while
15:12:05preglowthen drops several samples
15:12:07preglowthen steady again
15:13:14LinusNyeah, that's weird
15:13:17rasherany point in running it again
15:13:51preglowwouldn't think so
15:14:01LinusNrasher: which cpu frequency was this?
15:14:41LinusNin fact, it would be interesting to run it in 48MHz
15:14:53rasherI can do that :)
15:15:09LinusNi suspect the low spikes to be misreadings
15:15:31LinusNdue to the high clock frequency on the spi interface to the adc
15:16:31preglowi've seen the output value dither, but not that badly
15:17:18LinusNis markun ever here?
15:18:03rasherokay, test running
15:18:10LinusNrasher: great
15:18:32rasherwow, that really changes decoding speed
15:18:41HCli think he reads the logs..
15:18:46rasherand not just to a third
15:18:55preglowit scales more or less linearly
15:18:55LinusNso it seems that 120MHz with disk spinning non-stop still gives us almost 3hrs playtime
15:19:05rasherthat's pretty good
15:19:17preglowcorresponds very well to the iriver firmware
15:19:47preglowdisk by far the greatest power hog
15:20:09rasherpreglow: hrm... getting 8% on a file that did 90% with cpu_boost on
15:20:22LinusNrasher: are you sure it is 48mhz?
15:20:22rasherany chance I'm running 11mhz?
15:20:33rasherI.. don't know
15:20:39LinusNto run at 48, you must first go to 120 and then down again
15:20:51rasherwell then I'm sure it isn't
15:21:00LinusNthe boost system is designed to start at 48
15:21:02preglowyou're running at 11mhz now
15:21:19LinusNbut it is still at 11 when booting
15:21:42LinusNfor now
15:21:56preglowLinusN: does the instruction decoder fetch a dword at a time, or does it fetch just what it needs?
15:22:18LinusNit fetches only what it needs
15:22:29LinusNbut the cache fetches 16 bytes at a time
15:22:32rasherwill two calls to cpu_boost() make sure this happens correctly, or do I have to give it some time?
15:22:47LinusNtwo calls will work
15:22:55LinusNs/will/should/ :-)
15:23:10preglowi'm using 16 bit displacement mode a lot of places where i should be using increment or decrement addressing
15:23:21preglowdoesn't matter much when the code is in iram, but we should try avoiding that
15:23:52LinusNthe data bus is 16 bits
15:24:04preglowi thought you said the iram data bus was 32 bits
15:24:08LinusNiram, yes
15:24:33preglowyup, but i'm planning one putting as little code as possible in iram
15:24:38*rasher charges again
15:24:42preglowdata is more important
15:24:54LinusNpreglow: iram is a scarce resource
15:25:11preglowtrying to put as many loops in the code as i can
15:25:20LinusNand, as you said, code is not that critical, thanks to the cache
15:25:28preglowcoldfire doesn't have much of a pipeline to ruin on branches anyway
15:25:36LinusNhehe, no
15:25:58LinusNit's so lame, in comparison with modern cpus
15:25:58preglowi think the emac unit is more heavily pipelined than the main execution unit
15:27:34rasherthe jpeg plugin with cpu_boosts is really fast :)
15:28:06rasherand the mandelbrot
15:28:12LinusNi wish markun could continue the work with the grayscale lcd
15:28:13preglowwhat, they work?
15:28:17rasherbut that one screws up when zooming in and out
15:28:26rasherwith markun's patch they do
15:28:52LinusNhis patch is only half-finished
15:29:09rasherhence why you can't pan jpegs
15:29:16rasherand the reset problems
15:29:29preglowbut we've agreed on keeping the framebuffer in the internal format?
15:29:46LinusNi definitely want that
15:29:54preglowi agree wholeheartedly
15:30:18preglowi don't think wasting resources on abstraction is a good idea on limited platforms like this, if we can avoid it
15:30:27rasheris it worth considering the possible colourscreen of h300?
15:30:46LinusNwe'll address that when the day comes
15:31:05preglowi wonder how hard it'll be to get the specs for the screen
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15:31:26LinusNwe need to find out which screen it is
15:31:28preglowtalk of the devil!
15:31:28rasherwell speak of the devil
15:31:53preglowspeak/talk, i suck
15:31:54markunI was spying a bit in the irc log :)
15:32:10rasherthat really has some amusing consequences
15:32:16LinusNtoo bad i have to run to catch the train
15:32:30preglowsee you later
15:32:39rasherlike this, and people answering questions asked before they joined
15:32:39markunbye bye LinusN
15:32:48rasherrun LinusN, run!
15:33:04LinusNbye bye
15:33:05preglowrasher: yes, that seeming omnipotence used to freak me out
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15:33:15preglowask a question, and bam, people are falling in answering it
15:33:38rasherit would be more scary if the log wasn't public
15:33:46preglowturning your perception of the world on its head
15:34:02markunthe wiki now says ogg decoding is running above 100%, this is not true, is it?
15:34:15preglownot as far as i know
15:34:47rasherthere should be a codec status on the codec page instead
15:34:54HCli agree.
15:35:17*rasher creates it
15:35:57markunHCl: I have an optical cable for my iriver but I don't have anything to plug it in to.
15:36:23markunMaybe I could come by your house so we can read the speed on your flat mate's stereo?
15:36:51preglowgive him some dirty porn, he'll surely let you use it
15:38:07markunHCl: Are you at home right now?
15:38:28HCli am
15:38:42HCli dunno if my flatmate actually has something useful to plug it into though
15:38:45HCllet me ask first
15:40:36preglowi don't think fiber transmission was even invented when my amp was made
15:41:04HCli don't think he's home.
15:41:20markunThen I'll drop by the cable anyway, ok?
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15:43:13HCli have no idea whether it'll be any use though :/
15:43:26HCli just know he used to have an optical cable...
15:43:29HClfrom his stereo, i think
15:48:25rasherplease correct it
15:52:29preglowjust fixed some flac stuff and an overly optimistic non-cvs-opt statement
15:53:20preglowit does run over 200% on some files, though
15:53:31preglowbut it's not consistent
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16:03:36Tomas|laptopanybody here close to the Netherlands?
16:04:04preglowthere are several _in_ the netherlands
16:04:42Tomas|laptopyeah, and they are all happy i guess :D
16:05:01Tomas|laptopit's 18 degrees celcius here... while it was -4 last week
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16:19:56amiconnTomas|laptop: similar here (Berlin, 17 deg. C)
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16:20:13Tomas|laptopoh cool, where in berlin do you live?
16:20:43HClgot an optical cable of markun.. gonna see if my flatmate has optical in on his stereo..
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16:25:49AChi all
16:25:52ACsuch a nic
16:25:54ACe day
16:26:03AC10 degresse and sunshine :)
16:26:06Tomas|laptop18 here
16:26:11Tomas|laptopI'm in the garden :D
16:26:31ACthat seems to be a nice idead
16:27:22preglowstill snow here
16:27:25preglownice weather, though
16:27:34Tomas|laptopyeah, but my battery is almost empty :X
16:27:41Tomas|laptopso I gotta move :(
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16:27:49AChere in austria is still some snow....
16:28:28tvelocity[away]i have seen snow, about... 3 times in my life
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16:32:31preglowi see it daily
16:32:43preglowwon't miss it when it goes
16:35:09tvelocity[away]it has snowed here ONCE the last 20 years
16:35:18tvelocity[away]so i pretty much miss it
16:35:36T0maswhere in greece are you
16:35:51*T0mas was on a little island karpathos last year
16:35:55T0masreally nice :D
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16:40:02tvelocity[away]it's nice here only for vacation, but generaly it pretty much sucks
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16:58:30*HCl found a cool site regarding tcpa while looking at the mod player
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17:07:56rasheroops, forgot about the 48mhz test
17:07:59rasherrunning it now
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20:10:01T0maswow... missed a lot of talking since I left 3,5 hours ago :P
20:16:38*rasher waits for another battery test to finish
20:17:09rashertakes just over 3 hours
20:20:44rasheroops, getting a bit hot
20:20:53*rasher lies it in a draft
20:21:16thegeek_ha!, while you were waiting for the batterytest to finish I have completely reorganized my room and cleaned it.
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20:21:42tvelocitythegeek, what a geeky thing to do:P
20:21:56rasherwell I've not just been sitting here staring at it ::)
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20:22:06thegeekI was getting annoyed with having my desk in front of my window, I hate cold hands
20:22:54*rasher impatiently waits for gnome to get composite support
20:23:25thegeekbah, I hate cleaning my room
20:23:42tvelocitymetacity has composite support in CVS AFAIK
20:24:02thegeekwhen I start I am always really enthusiastic, but halfway through I realize I should never have started, and then I just kinda sit down and look at the huge mess
20:24:15rashertvelocity: ooooh
20:24:39rasherlooks like 2.12 will be the hot release
20:25:06tvelocity2.12 will also support cairo. which is uber-cool :)
20:25:11rashercairo, compositing
20:25:57tvelocitypreglow, real transparencies, shadows, etc
20:26:10rasherthat's just a silly hack
20:26:18rasherthe window manager needs to take care of it
20:26:28tvelocityyeah i agree with rasher
20:26:36rasheror possibly even the toolkit
20:26:38preglowhaha, i don't know, i just tried it the other day
20:26:42tvelocityxcompmgr has many side-effects
20:26:42preglowso, when's 2.12 due?
20:26:47rasher6 months
20:27:16*rasher will be tracking grumpygroundhog
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20:32:29rasheractually, the more I think of it, I think gtk should know about compositig
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20:32:42rasherso you can have transparant widgets and opaque ones
20:33:26preglowwell, of course it should
20:33:36preglowhaving shadows around the tooltips blobs wasn't very cool, heh
20:40:46rasherthat's pretty dumb yes
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21:01:23T0maslittle c++ question..
21:01:30T0masI have something like this:
21:01:34T0maschar tmp[3];
21:01:40T0masinfile >> tmp;
21:01:51T0maswhere infile is a ifstream
21:02:22T0masbut why doesn't it crash when I read a line of 10 chars from the file? into a 3 char array...
21:03:19T0masit works normally... and I can use all 10 characters in the 3 char array :X
21:03:46HClit'll only crash after it tries to read the stack pointer.
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21:04:35T0masstrange... i tought it would crash after the first line loaded...
21:04:41T0masof overwrite some other var...
21:04:45T0masof = or
21:04:49HClwell, it should overwrite some other var.
21:05:03T0masyeah, so I checked the others... nothing happened to them...
21:05:14HClmaybe its some odd c++ thing.
21:05:17T0masmaybe just a little luck with memory assignement?
21:05:20HClor maybe your platform.
21:05:24T0maswindows :)
21:05:56HClthats probably it.
21:08:44HClyay for my internet connection
21:08:50HCl11mbit up/down without limits
21:10:03rasherlookslike running the cpu at 1/3 speed does a real difference ("surprise")
21:10:25HClhow much?
21:10:40rasherabout an hour
21:10:59T0mas1 on ?
21:11:12T0masok, that's 33%
21:11:40T0mas(what device? iriver? archos?)
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21:12:04T0mashm... isn't it really short? or was it with disk running fulltime?
21:12:13rasherdisk running full time
21:12:23preglowrasher: how long has it been running?
21:12:24rasherunoptimized codec
21:12:42rasherjust over 4 hours now
21:13:04rasherthe other stopped at 2:45
21:13:30preglowi would not have thought it made such a difference
21:13:38rasherbattery at C5 (197) now
21:13:52rasherwhich is like 4-5 minutes from dying
21:14:24T0maspreglow: sounds intresting for our timer idea :D
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21:14:32preglowlooking forward to seeing the graph
21:14:56preglowT0mas: yup
21:15:09rashervery much
21:15:12HCltimer idea?
21:15:24rasherput the device into low-power mmode
21:15:30rasherand have it sleep for a given time
21:15:32T0masHCl: make it run at te lowest possible speed, with no disk and backlight
21:15:39rasherlookslike cpu speed really matters
21:15:47rasherat least, matters significantly
21:16:05rasherI could try writing a plugin that doesn't use hdd
21:16:08preglowi'd like to use my player as a wakeup alarm
21:16:15rasherthat'd take a while though :-\
21:16:26HCland then?
21:16:37T0masrasher: what do you mean not use hdd?
21:16:41preglowso i was pondering on the feasability of powering down everything possible, and just running a timer interrupt
21:16:42HCloh. it can do that fine.
21:16:44HCli once like..
21:16:49HClwith normal iriver fw
21:16:55HCli played some music during the day
21:16:59HCland i was listening to radio with it
21:17:02HClbefore going to sleep
21:17:04HCland when i woke up
21:17:08HCli found it was still playing radio
21:17:11HCland i forgot to turn it off
21:17:11rasherT0mas: just do cpu-work and graph that
21:17:15preglowit can for hours and hours in radio mode
21:17:23T0masrasher: oooh ok
21:17:35rasherand see the difference between 120mhz and 11mhz
21:17:36T0masHCl: i do that ever few day's...
21:17:38preglowi used for an entire day in radio mode, and was still four battery meter
21:17:55preglowFULL battery meter
21:18:05T0masyeah, but radio doesn't use hdd and cpu...
21:18:19preglowexactly, and neither will it in wakeup mode
21:18:24T0masindeed :D
21:18:33preglowit'll use even less power then
21:18:44T0masyeah, no sound output either
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21:19:47T0mashow does that timerinterrupt work? is it settable? or just one interrupt per clockcycle?
21:20:20preglowrasher: is it done already"#%
21:20:38preglowi'm starting to doubt the misreading theory
21:20:51preglowthe samples that stick out follow the level too closely
21:20:51rashergoing down now
21:21:07rasherC2 now :-\
21:21:17preglowit shouldn't ever reach b8
21:21:37rasherit did in the last test as well
21:21:51preglowqueer, linux said the range was from c0-ff
21:22:08preglowmy fingers do their own type of autocompletion, blast them
21:22:15rasherwell someone is lying then
21:22:32rasherdocs, iriver, linus.. no idea
21:22:48T0maslol, I too keep on typing Linux in stead of Linus...
21:22:50preglowlinus is lying, clearly
21:22:55preglowhe's trying to thwart your efforts
21:23:24preglowi'll go wash some dishes
21:23:26rasher"5 movie channels - one for each taste" .. uhm..
21:23:39rasher(some ad here)
21:24:05rasherreminds me of the Blues Brothers.. "we've got both kinds of music.. Country AND Western"
21:24:41rasherB6 now
21:24:49rasherDIE ALREADY!
21:25:51rasherI should try saving measurement at each screen update
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21:28:37rasher9a now..
21:28:49rasherit certainly isn't c0-ff
21:29:13rasherthere it went
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21:42:28Chamoisi make a test few days ago that i give to linus
21:42:33Chamoisfor the batery
21:42:52Chamoisi think it's why he says C0
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21:45:20Chamoisi think it depends battery
21:45:26Chamoismine is like died
21:45:42preglowyes, obviously
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21:51:47tvelocityhm... what about porting apache to rockbox?
21:52:23rasheryou'd need some way to talk to the outside world
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21:53:04tvelocitythrough USB?
21:53:23rasherwon't work on iriver
21:53:40tvelocitytoo bad
21:55:06preglowthere's not feasible ways of achieving that that i can think of, tvelocity
21:55:07rasherthe usb happens outside the os's control
21:55:31preglowevery communication channel besides usb would be too slow for it to be practical
21:55:43rasherwho said anything about practical?
21:56:04tvelocityyeah :)
21:56:19preglowhaha, well, then you can communicate across the serial port
21:56:27preglowthe remote spi channel could be used as well
21:56:40preglowand let's not forget optical in/out
21:57:07rasherflash the lcd to morse, recieved by a webcam
21:57:22preglowflash hdd led as well, two bit morse
21:57:40tvelocitywhat about running folding@home on it?:P
21:57:44preglowor better yet, make the webcam decipher the lcd contents, you can fit a lot of bits on it
21:59:23preglowbut yo, rasher, plotting the data yet? :PP
21:59:36rasherright.. I have it.. let me upload
22:11:16preglowthere are still a couple of glitches
22:12:58rasherMaybe I should write status more often
22:13:13rasherright now I'm only writing each time the buffer's empty
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22:16:05DickoWoo Hoo, I just managed to build my first iriver firmware!
22:18:06DickoCouple of probs with the missing global.h in ../apps/codecs/libFLAC/include/
22:19:17Dickoand ../apps/plugins/snake2.levels which stops make zip...
22:20:24DickoWhere do I get the rockboy sources from?
22:21:43rasherrockboy's in cvs
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22:26:55DickoI'm not very familliar with cvs, what would the command be to extract the rockboy source?
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22:27:20rasherwell if you have built it you should have it already
22:27:37preglowi think he's compiling from a zip
22:28:09rasherdon't they have what cvs have?
22:28:22preglowwell, apparently not
22:28:27preglowi dunno
22:28:30preglownever used them
22:28:47Dickorockboy doesn't seem to be in the daily build zip
22:29:21Dickowhat do i need to extract from cvs to get it? rockbox or rockbox-devel?
22:30:00preglowrockbox has it
22:31:15Bagderit should be in the daily tarball
22:33:17Bagderme fix
22:33:30*tvelocity np Global Underground 027 Mixed by Danny Howells
22:33:43preglowBagder: there was some whispering about missing global.h in libFLAC as well
22:34:15BagderI'll fix that too
22:36:58DickoDon't forget snake2.levels too ;-)
22:37:53Bagderdone that too now
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