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| 00:02:43 | HCl | lol. |
| 00:02:51 | HCl | well, i hadn't set the proper sample rate.. |
| 00:03:08 | HCl | it should be 44100hz, stereo, right? |
| 00:03:36 | rasher | I believe so, yes |
| 00:04:25 | HCl | bah. |
| 00:04:27 | HCl | still not working. |
| 00:04:43 | HCl | i'll just commit it to cvs with a define around it to disable it for now, so people can look at it if they want to. |
| 00:06:53 | * | HCl commits.. :/ |
| 00:07:19 | rasher | heh |
| 00:11:05 | HCl | bah. |
| 00:11:06 | HCl | :/ |
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| 00:18:09 | rasher | http://blogs.bl0rg.net/netzstaub/archives/000539.html <−− I want! |
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| 00:24:36 | DeadMan | sup |
| 00:25:16 | HCl | i wrote an sound driver for rockboy |
| 00:25:18 | HCl | and it doesn't work |
| 00:25:19 | HCl | you? |
| 00:28:45 | DeadMan | I tried to get my fathers PC working but the drive is fubar |
| 00:29:12 | HCl | mk |
| 00:29:45 | DeadMan | and he was so hoping to get the thing working as he bought it second hand from some dodgey dealer down the road ;) |
| 00:30:06 | HCl | heh |
| 00:30:10 | HCl | thats never a good idea |
| 00:30:16 | HCl | a second hand computer is second hand for a reason |
| 00:30:17 | DeadMan | I did not say much to bruise his ego...I think he realised he was too impulsive |
| 00:30:21 | HCl | either its broken or too old |
| 00:30:36 | DeadMan | and the funny thing is |
| 00:30:53 | DeadMan | he found another old PC laying out on the road (Old PIII 500) |
| 00:31:02 | DeadMan | and that hard disk did not work either :D |
| 00:31:21 | HCl | people throw p3 500's on the road where you live? O.o. |
| 00:31:47 | DeadMan | so we went down PC World who we phoned beforehand (Head office) who said it was open until 5pm sunday and when we got there they had closed at 4pm :D |
| 00:31:53 | DeadMan | Yes they do |
| 00:32:13 | DeadMan | so we could not get another hard disk |
| 00:32:35 | HCl | o.O. |
| 00:32:43 | HCl | gee. i'd ask to send some my way. |
| 00:32:49 | DeadMan | Oh and a AV connector box he bought does not supprt RGB via SCART so that has to go back too the shop. |
| 00:32:54 | HCl | my server runs on p3 550mhz xeons... |
| 00:32:56 | DeadMan | It was not my fathers day today :) |
| 00:33:17 | HCl | av connector box? |
| 00:33:22 | rasher | the only thing I own that does rgb via scart is my dvd player |
| 00:33:25 | rasher | :-\ |
| 00:33:30 | DeadMan | 4 way SCART switching box |
| 00:33:32 | rasher | not very useful. |
| 00:33:36 | HCl | a loooot of things that have scart inputs |
| 00:33:42 | HCl | don't support rgb |
| 00:33:50 | HCl | my sega mega drive does rgb by scart |
| 00:33:56 | HCl | i can't hook it up to anything but a tv. |
| 00:33:58 | DeadMan | yeah only 1 RGB input on the TV too |
| 00:34:02 | HCl | and since we don't have a tv with scart |
| 00:34:05 | DeadMan | and 3 devices that could do RGB |
| 00:34:08 | HCl | it means i can't hook it up at all :/ |
| 00:34:16 | DeadMan | ah well |
| 00:34:25 | rasher | no scart at all?! what century do you live in? |
| 00:34:34 | DeadMan | I looped 2 devices to AV 1 and used AV 2 on S-Video instead |
| 00:34:49 | HCl | the century of campuswide wireless and 100mbit internet lines. |
| 00:34:51 | DeadMan | he seems happy with that |
| 00:34:54 | * | rasher prods awk with sharp sticks |
| 00:34:55 | HCl | and a cheap budget. |
| 00:35:31 | DeadMan | I told him to throw out the PIII into the trash |
| 00:35:38 | DeadMan | I can't be bothered with it |
| 00:36:03 | DeadMan | more clutter |
| 00:36:43 | HCl | eh. ok. |
| 00:36:47 | DeadMan | wasteful neh? :) |
| 00:36:53 | HCl | not very smart, you can probably sell it for at least 50$ |
| 00:37:13 | DeadMan | maybe...it has 128mb of sdram onboard too |
| 00:37:21 | HCl | onboard sdram? O.o; |
| 00:37:26 | HCl | what kind of a motherboard is that? |
| 00:37:35 | DeadMan | onboard not literally |
| 00:37:51 | HCl | i don't understand why you throw stuff away like that... |
| 00:38:30 | DeadMan | too much effort for not much gain |
| 00:38:36 | tvelocity | yeah, if people throw away like that pIII's, you should build a beowulf cluster:P |
| 00:38:59 | HCl | mhm. |
| 00:39:07 | HCl | my server is a quad p3 |
| 00:39:32 | DeadMan | I know it could be rebuilt into something useful...like for some background tasks or someone might want it for basic stuff. But I could not be bothered |
| 00:40:18 | DeadMan | I'm always upgrading and throwing stuff aside or away |
| 00:40:38 | HCl | well. |
| 00:40:40 | HCl | hm. |
| 00:40:45 | HCl | *looks around his room* |
| 00:40:50 | HCl | *spots 4 unused computers* |
| 00:40:53 | HCl | i just. save them up >.>; |
| 00:40:57 | DeadMan | lol |
| 00:40:58 | HCl | since its a waste to throw away |
| 00:41:03 | HCl | but i don't have much use for them either |
| 00:41:26 | tvelocity | you could just have 'em fold |
| 00:41:35 | DeadMan | Yeah I could have built stuff from old bits too. I decided to just stick with 2 PC's. My electricity bills are high enough |
| 00:42:29 | DeadMan | if something is worth anything I ebay it anyhow |
| 00:42:42 | HCl | heh.... |
| 00:42:47 | HCl | lets see.. |
| 00:42:49 | HCl | i have... |
| 00:43:08 | HCl | one athlon 600 with 640mb ram and a 10gb hdd or so.. |
| 00:43:13 | HCl | just laying around on my shelf dusting |
| 00:43:24 | HCl | and a p75 and a p90 with no harddisk |
| 00:43:28 | Bagder | http://stats.distributed.net/team/tmsummary.php?project_id=8&team=18241 |
| 00:43:34 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 00:44:08 | DeadMan | I have a 800mhz PIII upstairs with 640mb of sdram being used as a fileserver for 1.2tb of hard disks |
| 00:44:37 | HCl | i have a quad xeon p3 550mhz with 2gb of ram as my server.. |
| 00:44:39 | DeadMan | it does nothing much else |
| 00:44:47 | tvelocity | i wish i had 1,2TB in HDs too |
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| 00:44:59 | * | HCl has around 360 in total or so. |
| 00:45:06 | HCl | our filesharing net is my filestorage |
| 00:45:09 | HCl | i don't really need filestorage |
| 00:45:16 | HCl | i play movies and anime straight off our network |
| 00:45:28 | DeadMan | when I run low on space I just buy the next biggest drive you can get at consumer level and shove it in a USB2 case lol |
| 00:45:54 | DeadMan | stack em on top of each other |
| 00:46:14 | DeadMan | nothing I have is even raid |
| 00:46:40 | DeadMan | speed is not what I need nor is security since I tend to backup to DVD's anyhow |
| 00:46:51 | DeadMan | I just use them as temp storage |
| 00:47:12 | DeadMan | don't ask what for ;) |
| 00:47:53 | HCl | 24gb is enough temp storage for me |
| 00:48:05 | tvelocity | program updates, linux iso's and emails of course i guess! |
| 00:48:22 | tvelocity | :P |
| 00:49:22 | DeadMan | I should have just not worried about a hard disk and gave my father Knoppix on CD :) |
| 00:55:02 | | Part MoosCamaro |
| 00:55:44 | DeadMan | btw what was the stuff about getting audio working HCl? |
| 00:55:53 | HCl | not. |
| 00:55:56 | HCl | not getting audio working |
| 00:55:57 | HCl | :p |
| 00:56:08 | DeadMan | ICH |
| 00:56:19 | DeadMan | ;) |
| 00:58:27 | tvelocity | audio? who needs audio? just port more emulators to rockbox:P |
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| 01:00:54 | DeadMan | NOOOOO |
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| 01:20:44 | HCl | ack. |
| 01:31:31 | DeadMan | ack ack ack |
| 01:31:33 | rasher | I think I need some serious weaponry for prodding awk now |
| 01:31:46 | rasher | it's taunting me |
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| 01:33:11 | rasher | evening XShocK |
| 01:33:17 | XShocK | hi |
| 01:34:55 | XShocK | HCl: hi, did sound work in rockbox? |
| 01:34:57 | XShocK | rockboy |
| 01:35:41 | rasher | Don't think so |
| 01:35:50 | XShocK | ok |
| 01:44:06 | rasher | or maybe.. actually |
| 01:44:16 | rasher | I'm unsure now :) |
| 01:44:54 | XShocK | :). |
| 01:45:08 | XShocK | I'm trying to find my usb cable to test what we have. |
| 01:48:54 | * | rasher snarls at Xfree86 |
| 01:49:14 | rasher | plz to be stopping the crashing |
| 01:50:01 | DeadMan | :) |
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| 02:13:45 | XShocK | I suspect that rockboy freezes with sound because it is given an un-aligned data size |
| 02:14:11 | XShocK | it would cause an intrerrupt being fired indefinitely. |
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| 02:18:17 | HCl | o.o! |
| 02:18:21 | HCl | un aligned data size |
| 02:18:22 | HCl | tell tell. |
| 02:18:34 | XShocK | it was a guess. :) |
| 02:18:48 | HCl | i'm almost certain that rockboy has unaligned data sizes. |
| 02:18:52 | HCl | anyways |
| 02:18:59 | HCl | i wrote an audio driver for it |
| 02:19:02 | HCl | its in cvs |
| 02:19:03 | XShocK | no.. i mean not multiple of 4. :) |
| 02:19:15 | XShocK | is it working? |
| 02:19:22 | HCl | but when i try to use it, it crashes |
| 02:19:22 | HCl | no |
| 02:19:25 | HCl | it just freezes |
| 02:19:26 | XShocK | ok |
| 02:19:37 | HCl | its probably a flaw in the api |
| 02:19:47 | HCl | cause i don't think there's much to be wrong about my audio driver |
| 02:19:52 | HCl | its disabled with a define by default |
| 02:20:15 | HCl | rb->pcm_play_data(pcm.buf,pcm.pos,NULL); |
| 02:20:15 | HCl | while(rb->pcm_is_playing()); /* spinlock */ |
| 02:20:15 | HCl | pcm.pos = 0; |
| 02:20:40 | HCl | i broke the iriver sim build, but someone is just gonna have to implement sound in the simulators to fix it.. |
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| 02:21:59 | HCl | thats the code for rockboy's audio driver |
| 02:22:11 | tvelocity | what does this mean? should we expect audio on rockboy soon? |
| 02:22:21 | HCl | don't expect anything. |
| 02:22:33 | HCl | if it works, we'll mention it. |
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| 02:23:44 | HCl | XShocK: anyways, rockboy simply calls a function when it needs to play audio, pcm.buf being the buffer, pcm.pos the amount to play, and it needs to finish playing before returning |
| 02:23:58 | HCl | and it has to do some side things like returning 1 and setting position back to 0.. |
| 02:25:02 | XShocK | i understand. what i suspect is that in pcm_playback.c while setting DMA, it sets a bad size and position. |
| 02:25:37 | XShocK | and also it writes five ZEROS each 4096 byte buffer, hich is bug too since it will click each time. |
| 02:25:49 | HCl | i honestly wouldn't know |
| 02:25:50 | HCl | mhm. |
| 02:26:02 | HCl | do you have cvs access..? |
| 02:26:34 | XShocK | no,i don't have access to it. i will try to fix it, and give it to someone |
| 02:26:40 | HCl | *nods* |
| 02:26:41 | HCl | okay |
| 02:26:43 | HCl | i gotta go sleep |
| 02:26:44 | HCl | 2:30 am |
| 02:26:51 | HCl | gotta go to class at 1:30 pm |
| 02:27:35 | XShocK | see you |
| 02:27:39 | HCl | night |
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| 02:35:38 | XShocK | yep... interrupt fires and says it is configuration error |
| 02:37:52 | HCl | sounds good |
| 02:38:15 | HCl | (its always better to have a problem and know whats causing it than to have a problem and have no clue) |
| 02:38:19 | HCl | but i'm asleep! |
| 02:38:23 | HCl | *nods* |
| 02:38:38 | HCl | i suffer from chronic sleep-chatting. |
| 02:40:24 | XShocK | :) |
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| 02:58:50 | XShocK | i found the bug. |
| 02:59:23 | XShocK | dma_stop didn't have IIS2CONFIG = 0x800; line, but it has to has it |
| 02:59:59 | XShocK | on dma_stop it does not stop the DAC and it continues to request data |
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| 03:00:16 | HCl | ah.. |
| 03:00:28 | HCl | so does the sound driver work now? or..? |
| 03:00:40 | XShocK | rockboy plays.. but i don't hear anything |
| 03:00:45 | HCl | *nods* |
| 03:00:46 | HCl | i had that.. |
| 03:04:01 | HCl | ah well |
| 03:04:03 | HCl | night. |
| 03:04:09 | XShocK | night night.. :) |
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| 04:02:54 | XShocK | ufff.. there is sound... |
| 04:03:05 | XShocK | veeery bad,, but i hear music.. :) |
| 04:03:22 | rasher | Hurray :) |
| 04:03:57 | XShocK | as expected quality is very bad, since it stops, and starts dac each time, whereas we need to continually write to buffer withour stopping. |
| 04:04:21 | rasher | well as long as you know why |
| 04:04:31 | XShocK | i will do appropriate changes to rbsound.c |
| 04:04:41 | XShocK | yep, i know wh it is happening |
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| 04:05:55 | rasher | For some reason I am sitting here documenting the protocol of a totally irrelevant chat site |
| 04:06:02 | rasher | I'm not really sure why.. |
| 04:07:48 | XShocK | :) |
| 04:08:00 | rasher | I don't even use it :-\ |
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| 04:08:04 | rasher | but it's sortof fun |
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| 04:55:34 | XShocK | i will finish the sound thingy with rockboy tomorrow |
| 04:55:43 | XShocK | now go to bed. |
| 04:56:29 | XShocK | i did that there are no clicks and glitches, but for some reason sound is veery strange, but i can hear msic |
| 04:56:37 | XShocK | bye all |
| 04:56:38 | rasher | :) |
| 04:56:40 | rasher | goodnight |
| 04:56:43 | rasher | sounds great |
| 04:56:57 | XShocK | :) |
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| 09:06:57 | stevenm | hello people |
| 09:07:02 | stevenm | anyone seen stripwax around ? |
| 09:09:12 | Bagder | stripwax (~stripwax@213-228-241-36.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) signed off 7 days and 10 hours ago |
| 09:09:26 | Bagder | "/msg logbot seen stripwax" |
| 09:14:16 | ashridah | /msg seenserv seen stripwax :) |
| 09:14:47 | Bagder | hehe |
| 09:15:18 | Bagder | quite a big diff |
| 09:23:12 | rasher | morning |
| 09:24:04 | Bagder | gooood morning |
| 09:25:39 | rasher | Someone explain to me why I haven't slept, because I sure don't know |
| 09:26:16 | ashridah | you're a tool with no ability to plan your life adequately? :) |
| 09:26:31 | rasher | That's probably it |
| 09:26:50 | rasher | I ended up documenting a silly chat protocol of some Danish youth chat thing |
| 09:27:17 | rasher | lord knows why, I haven't used it seriously for years |
| 09:27:34 | ashridah | god. and i thought i was nuts by finishing an assignment that's not due for a month and a half |
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| 09:28:11 | rasher | but I now have an awk script that can read tcpdump input and output an irc-style and coloured log |
| 09:28:39 | rasher | which is highly fun |
| 09:28:51 | Bagder | haha |
| 09:29:14 | Bagder | so now you can use telnet to IRC, and still get fancy colours! ;-) |
| 09:31:09 | rasher | haha, well not really |
| 09:39:48 | rasher | But I have a firm and sincere dislike in awk |
| 09:39:55 | rasher | it's a crazy, crazy language |
| 09:40:08 | Bagder | I agree |
| 09:40:30 | Bagder | so I never use it for anything but one-liners really |
| 09:41:05 | rasher | it fit this problem (read a line of tcpdump, format it according to contents) pretty well |
| 09:41:13 | rasher | so |
| 09:43:50 | rasher | XShocK did some work on the pcm output tonigiht |
| 09:44:05 | rasher | I think, or maybe it was just rockbox |
| 09:44:11 | rasher | rockboy |
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| 10:04:20 | | Nick Lynx_awy is now known as Lynx_ (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59) |
| 10:09:43 | rasher | 375 open feature requests :-O |
| 10:09:49 | Bagder | yeah |
| 10:09:53 | Bagder | we're drowning |
| 10:10:34 | rasher | some of these are really silly |
| 10:10:47 | Bagder | I intend to make the script make two lists |
| 10:10:55 | Bagder | one with higher prios, and one with lower |
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| 10:11:13 | rasher | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=829262 so he wants to magically create itallic and bold versions of tiny bitmap fonts?! |
| 10:12:01 | Bagder | yes, we could close a bunch of them |
| 10:12:08 | Bagder | simply rejected |
| 10:12:43 | rasher | I can imagine |
| 10:15:18 | rasher | I guess some of them have been implemented and just not closed |
| 10:15:35 | Bagder | a few, yes |
| 10:15:46 | Bagder | but we've closed most of the fixed ones I believe |
| 10:15:58 | rasher | ah okay |
| 10:16:17 | Bagder | there are 1146 entries in total |
| 10:16:37 | rasher | oh my |
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| 10:17:00 | rasher | morning preglow |
| 10:17:33 | Bagder | 194 of them has been set to fixed |
| 10:17:58 | Bagder | 109 duplicates, 304 rejected |
| 10:18:07 | rasher | heh |
| 10:18:19 | rasher | Duplicates make baby jesus cry |
| 10:18:43 | Bagder | actually, the feature-requests don't add much value to the project imho |
| 10:19:10 | preglow | morning |
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| 10:20:13 | rasher | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=687382 that seems mad |
| 10:21:04 | rasher | so he wants to hog 3 entire buttons for these modes |
| 10:21:25 | Bagder | if you feel like having a go at cleaning it, I'll add you as tracker admin... |
| 10:21:41 | rasher | I don't think I know enough to do this |
| 10:21:42 | preglow | hahah |
| 10:22:20 | Schnueff | i like https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=439121&aid=968228&group_id=44306 |
| 10:22:49 | rasher | hahah |
| 10:22:55 | rasher | That's rich |
| 10:24:58 | Schnueff | rockbox, rockbox on the wall... ;) |
| 10:25:13 | rasher | hah |
| 10:27:56 | rasher | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=851401 |
| 10:28:01 | rasher | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=725390 |
| 10:28:04 | rasher | duplicates |
| 10:28:07 | rasher | plus a patch exists |
| 10:29:58 | rasher | 1086667 is a duplicate of 680598 |
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| 10:33:29 | rasher | 676532, 851401, =725390 |
| 10:33:29 | rasher | 10:28 <rasher> duplicates |
| 10:33:44 | rasher | accidental paste, but that's nonetheless correct |
| 10:33:53 | preglow | haha |
| 10:33:54 | rasher | those 3 are indeed duplicates (all a-b repeat) |
| 10:34:02 | amiconn | rasher: Algorithmically creating bold and italic versions of bitmap fonts isn't that far fetched. AmigaOS does that, and it doesn't look too bad |
| 10:34:30 | preglow | for bitmap fonts?? |
| 10:34:51 | rasher | I'm more concerned about the size.. mmost of them are tiny |
| 10:35:04 | preglow | indeed |
| 10:35:26 | preglow | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=439121&aid=968228&group_id=44306 |
| 10:35:27 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, for bitmap fonts (only!) |
| 10:35:31 | preglow | accidental paste |
| 10:35:39 | preglow | shitty laptop keyboard |
| 10:35:50 | preglow | amiconn: hah, what resolution were they in? |
| 10:36:04 | amiconn | The same resolution as on the screen. |
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| 10:36:29 | rasher | 621820 <−− also a-b repeat |
| 10:36:38 | amiconn | The default Amiga font is Topaz 8, which is (small wonder) 8 pixels high |
| 10:36:46 | preglow | but im off |
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| 10:40:22 | amiconn | The algorithmic emboldening, although simple, works considerably well. (1) Take the glyph pattern (2) Shift it one pixel to the right (3) OR it with the original pattern. This would e.g. create an 'atadore' look-alike from the default rockbox font |
| 10:41:03 | rasher | fair enough |
| 10:41:31 | rasher | atadore is plain lovely |
| 10:42:52 | rasher | how about itallics? |
| 10:43:21 | amiconn | The italicze algorithm is similar (1) Take the original pattern (2) Start at the bottom, go upward (3) For every 2 pixel lines going up, shift the pattern one more pixel to the right |
| 10:43:52 | rasher | and that actually works? |
| 10:44:03 | rasher | I mean, I get the idea, but does it look right? |
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| 10:47:38 | amiconn | The result doesn't look as good as the emboldening, but it works |
| 10:48:09 | rasher | fun |
| 10:49:04 | amiconn | In fact that's a good idea imho - maybe I'll give it a shot |
| 10:50:52 | rasher | Heh |
| 10:51:10 | rasher | were you the one who wanted to look at the viewer? |
| 10:51:11 | ashridah | <rasher> oh my god, i've created a monster! |
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| 11:07:46 | rasher | indeed |
| 11:11:58 | rasher | oh boy, an etch-a-sketch plugin |
| 11:12:03 | rasher | WHY IS THIS NOT IN ROCKBOX?! |
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| 11:36:32 | ashridah | i was actually considering building myself a timetable app recently. |
| 11:36:55 | ashridah | but then i realised i've got too much other crap to do first :( |
| 11:37:08 | ashridah | s/app/plugin/ |
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| 12:16:58 | HCl | hey linus.. |
| 12:17:28 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Heya |
| 12:17:33 | HCl | xshock found a bug in the audio driver.. and he said he got rockboy sound to work, though it sounded strange and not right yet.. |
| 12:17:46 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Can someone give me me a few pointers on how to set up a wiki? |
| 12:18:12 | DJ_Dooms_Day | I've registered, but i have NO clue as to how i start documenting and changing the topic to something else |
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| 12:19:17 | LinusN | HCl: strange and not right? |
| 12:19:32 | HCl | well, let me search and paste what he said.. |
| 12:19:46 | HCl | 04:54 < XShocK> i will finish the sound thingy with rockboy tomorrow |
| 12:19:46 | HCl | 04:54 < XShocK> now go to bed. |
| 12:19:46 | HCl | 04:55 < XShocK> i did that there are no clicks and glitches, but for some |
| 12:19:46 | HCl | reason sound is veery strange, but i can hear msic |
| 12:19:47 | HCl | 04:55 < XShocK> bye all |
| 12:20:35 | LinusN | the pcm driver is not designed to be started over like that |
| 12:20:50 | LinusN | it will generate huge clicks the restarting |
| 12:21:06 | HCl | yea, he said something like that.. |
| 12:21:14 | LinusN | that's because it starts the dma in a non-optimal way |
| 12:21:35 | LinusN | still, restarting the dma should never be needed |
| 12:21:40 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Ok, how about a wiki tutorial atleast? |
| 12:21:51 | LinusN | DJ_Dooms_Day: what is the problem? |
| 12:22:34 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Im starting a wiki for the iriver Rockbox theme design, i've registered at the wiki, but i have no clue as what to do next |
| 12:23:16 | LinusN | there is no need for us to do a wiki tutorial, since there are already thousands on the net |
| 12:23:36 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Ah ok, so its not individual to the site |
| 12:23:44 | LinusN | http://www.twiki.org/ |
| 12:23:58 | DJ_Dooms_Day | (excuse my noobness here, never used a wiki before) |
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| 12:29:00 | HCl | LinusN: well, how am i supposed to do the rockboy audio driver then...? its in cvs at the moment.. |
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| 12:29:49 | LinusN | i don't really know, the gnuboy sound api is a little weird |
| 12:30:21 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Ahuh, ok i see how a wiki works now...its basicly a live-editable webpage true? |
| 12:30:22 | HCl | it just submits sound to be played regularly.. |
| 12:30:30 | LinusN | from what i gather from reading the HACKING text, it outputs the samples in chunks |
| 12:30:58 | LinusN | and you are supposed to wait in pcm_submit() until all samples have been played |
| 12:31:05 | HCl | yea |
| 12:31:11 | HCl | at the moment i have it implemented like this.. |
| 12:31:12 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Tell me one thing, how do i change the topic of my wiki |
| 12:31:22 | HCl | rb->pcm_play_data(pcm.buf,pcm.pos,NULL); |
| 12:31:22 | HCl | while(rb->pcm_is_playing()); /* spinlock */ |
| 12:31:22 | HCl | pcm.pos = 0; |
| 12:31:22 | HCl | return 1; |
| 12:31:24 | LinusN | but what about the time between the calls to pcm_submit()? |
| 12:31:38 | HCl | it does emulation in that time |
| 12:32:16 | HCl | its a typical example of a non streaming format.. |
| 12:32:46 | LinusN | but in 44100 Hz, you don't have many microseconds between the samples |
| 12:33:02 | LinusN | so we will probably need to set the sample rate back to 11025 |
| 12:33:11 | HCl | yea, the sample rate was originally 11025 |
| 12:33:27 | HCl | we'll probably need something in the api that allows you to set sample rate etc.? |
| 12:33:32 | LinusN | and get rid of the click on pcm dma restart |
| 12:33:40 | LinusN | HCl: yes |
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| 12:40:17 | MoosCamaro | Hey all |
| 12:41:09 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Gah, where do i put these 'set' preferences in my wiki? |
| 12:44:58 | LinusN | DJ_Dooms_Day: which ones? |
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| 12:45:18 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Set ALLOWTOPICCHANGE = |
| 12:47:14 | LinusN | in your own page |
| 12:47:38 | DJ_Dooms_Day | ...and wheres that? :P |
| 12:47:46 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScottRichmond |
| 12:47:59 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Under EDIT? |
| 12:48:10 | LinusN | yes |
| 12:48:16 | DJ_Dooms_Day | I have |
| 12:48:27 | LinusN | change "Rockbox Graphical UI Editing" to "ScottRichmond" |
| 12:49:02 | LinusN | then ScottRichmond is the only user allowed to edit the ScottRichmond page |
| 12:49:41 | DJ_Dooms_Day | ...but i can SEE the set preferences, arn't they ment to be code? Where you see it only in raw form? |
| 12:49:55 | DJ_Dooms_Day | and i want to change the topic name |
| 12:51:02 | LinusN | the ScottRichmond page is the page associated with your user |
| 12:51:34 | LinusN | the topic is "Scott Richmond" |
| 12:51:37 | DJ_Dooms_Day | ...ok, so how do i create another topic then? |
| 12:51:41 | LinusN | it's about you |
| 12:51:48 | Bagder | HCl: you do know that there are red builds still? |
| 12:52:09 | LinusN | DJ_Dooms_Day: enter a new topic in the "Go" field |
| 12:52:28 | HCl | Bagder: i can add a nosim check.. but eventually it needs to be implemented in the sim.... |
| 12:52:48 | Bagder | I'd prefer anything that fixes the red |
| 12:52:57 | HCl | didn't really think disabling it for the sim would be appropriate.. |
| 12:52:59 | HCl | okay.. |
| 12:53:37 | Bagder | my guess is that it'll be a while before the sim can play sounds fine |
| 12:55:02 | HCl | fixed |
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| 13:04:50 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Woo! I made my first wiki ever :/ |
| 13:05:51 | DJ_Dooms_Day | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxGraphicalUIDesign |
| 13:06:43 | Bagder | I already answered many of those questions |
| 13:07:20 | Bagder | hm |
| 13:07:25 | Bagder | they're answered below |
| 13:07:35 | DJ_Dooms_Day | heh |
| 13:07:41 | Bagder | odd choice imho |
| 13:07:58 | DJ_Dooms_Day | for what? |
| 13:08:07 | Bagder | to first ask questions and then later on answer them |
| 13:08:28 | DJ_Dooms_Day | thier C&P from the forum thread i made |
| 13:08:33 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Im updating my self |
| 13:08:53 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Would you rather i just get rid of the top shit? |
| 13:09:13 | Bagder | no, it explains your goal and objective |
| 13:09:37 | DJ_Dooms_Day | True that, i actually ment the questions |
| 13:09:48 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Meh, i'll just leave it |
| 13:09:57 | Bagder | I think you could rephrase them into a "info about the image format" |
| 13:10:12 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Yeah, i should probably update that |
| 13:10:43 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Do i use a wiki like this? Writing in updates? Or do i just keep updating it kind of like a FAQ? |
| 13:11:23 | Bagder | I don't understand the difference |
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| 13:12:40 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Well, the way i'm doing it now is that i don't EDIT things, i just update them with you sections. |
| 13:12:49 | DJ_Dooms_Day | you=new |
| 13:13:07 | Bagder | ok, I see. no I think editing is better |
| 13:13:15 | DJ_Dooms_Day | ok, good |
| 13:13:29 | Bagder | you can still browse previous edits/versions if you want to |
| 13:13:53 | DJ_Dooms_Day | yeah, so i saw |
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| 13:18:41 | t0mas | hi |
| 13:19:40 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Heya |
| 13:21:11 | t0mas | ah just the person I needed ;) |
| 13:21:17 | t0mas | I was looking for you yesterdat |
| 13:21:18 | t0mas | t=y |
| 13:21:24 | t0mas | saw my forum post? |
| 13:22:21 | DJ_Dooms_Day | heh yeah |
| 13:22:34 | amiconn | t0mas: yesyerday? ;) |
| 13:22:35 | DJ_Dooms_Day | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxGraphicalUIDesign |
| 13:22:41 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Damn it! |
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| 13:22:54 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Why doesn't ENTER work in these wiki's? |
| 13:23:33 | LinusN | DJ_Dooms_Day: ? |
| 13:23:44 | t0mas | amiconn: yesyesyesthatday :P |
| 13:24:02 | DJ_Dooms_Day | I push enter to start a new line and when i preview it, it hasn't created a new line |
| 13:24:17 | LinusN | you should read up on wiki formatting |
| 13:26:04 | t0mas | DJ_Dooms_Day: maybe you should put the correct settings in the wiki too? |
| 13:26:05 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Bah, so its one of those things where you can only create paragraphs? |
| 13:26:08 | t0mas | not just that you solved it? |
| 13:26:17 | DJ_Dooms_Day | I am now |
| 13:26:35 | DJ_Dooms_Day | ...or do you mean settings FOR the wiki? |
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| 13:26:57 | t0mas | no |
| 13:27:01 | t0mas | the settings for the image |
| 13:27:25 | t0mas | ow btw... question for LinusN/amiconn or some other devver... |
| 13:27:39 | DJ_Dooms_Day | What do you mean? How i did it? |
| 13:27:43 | t0mas | The way I display an image in a plugin... can it be used in normal code too? |
| 13:27:44 | LinusN | DJ_Dooms_Day: in the edit screen, there is a link to the wiki formatting faq below the editor |
| 13:27:54 | t0mas | DJ_Dooms_Day: yes, the way you did it |
| 13:28:03 | LinusN | t0mas: yes |
| 13:28:27 | t0mas | ok, maybe I'll try to make a patch for iRiver to display images on wps... |
| 13:28:29 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Linus, i've read it |
| 13:28:37 | t0mas | so creative's like DJ_Dooms_Day can make a nice interface |
| 13:28:59 | DJ_Dooms_Day | I saw nothing about starting a new line, except for creating paragraphs |
| 13:29:30 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Check the wiki now tom |
| 13:29:31 | LinusN | some html formatting works too, like <pre> and <br> |
| 13:30:19 | t0mas | nice DJ |
| 13:30:26 | t0mas | brb.. |
| 13:30:43 | Bagder | yeps, the wps code could be made to accept an image to use as "background" |
| 13:30:56 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Whats wps? |
| 13:30:57 | LinusN | would be cool |
| 13:31:01 | Bagder | but then we'd need some kind of margins too |
| 13:31:41 | LinusN | Bagder: a %ls (line size) wps option? |
| 13:31:56 | Bagder | DJ_Dooms_Day: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ProjectGlossary#WPS |
| 13:32:28 | Bagder | yes, something like that |
| 13:32:57 | t0mas | hm... who coded the wps functions? |
| 13:33:05 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Ahuh |
| 13:33:10 | LinusN | t0mas: does it matter? |
| 13:33:10 | Bagder | t0mas: looooads of people |
| 13:33:23 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Well i was told most of the interface are not really bitmaps, but fonts |
| 13:33:23 | * | dwihno passes some WPS all around |
| 13:33:29 | t0mas | ok, I was just searching for someone who know's how they work ;) |
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| 13:33:38 | t0mas | I've read the code this night... |
| 13:34:00 | t0mas | seem's not to hard to make a background image for it |
| 13:34:09 | LinusN | not at all |
| 13:34:25 | t0mas | Ok, how should I make it configurable? |
| 13:34:38 | t0mas | extra line in wps file? |
| 13:34:49 | LinusN | sounds good |
| 13:34:56 | Bagder | try to follow the set syntax |
| 13:34:59 | Bagder | already set |
| 13:35:16 | t0mas | hm... my first idea was to check for a firstline like: bg: image.bmp |
| 13:35:17 | LinusN | problem is the scrolling lines will overwrite the image |
| 13:35:20 | t0mas | and load that image |
| 13:35:39 | t0mas | Hm... is that scrolling fullscreen? |
| 13:35:46 | t0mas | eg.. full width |
| 13:35:49 | LinusN | currently yes |
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| 13:35:53 | Bagder | that would be a completely new syntax |
| 13:36:13 | t0mas | hm... |
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| 13:36:38 | t0mas | Sometime someone should change that... so they only clear the screenarea they are on... |
| 13:36:57 | Bagder | "they are on" |
| 13:37:00 | Bagder | ? |
| 13:37:06 | Bagder | if they scroll, they are full width |
| 13:37:18 | Bagder | the question is how wide it should be allowed to be |
| 13:37:22 | t0mas | yes... |
| 13:37:38 | t0mas | I ment a setting... so you can put something on the screen like: A: artist |
| 13:37:45 | t0mas | and that only the artistname is scrolling |
| 13:38:07 | Bagder | why? |
| 13:38:24 | Bagder | you mean you sometimes don't want to see the right end of a string? |
| 13:38:39 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Welp, i'm gonna head to bed |
| 13:38:41 | t0mas | no... I mean that some parts of a line shouldn't scroll |
| 13:38:45 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Catch you guys later |
| 13:38:51 | t0mas | c ya |
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| 13:39:10 | Bagder | yes, that's why I suggst setting margins for the actual text/scroll part |
| 13:39:36 | t0mas | that would be a way |
| 13:39:48 | * | t0mas was thinking of something like textboxes... |
| 13:40:05 | t0mas | so you make a box (no border) and make that the scrolling area of a textline |
| 13:40:07 | * | amiconn wonders why someone would want an image in the wps at all |
| 13:40:16 | Bagder | sure, then set a box and then assign particular tags to the particular boxes |
| 13:40:33 | * | HCl doesn't even know how userfriendly rockbox is... will find out once music starts to work |
| 13:40:34 | t0mas | amiconn: well... obviously some people want a more graphical interface |
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| 13:41:31 | amiconn | Maybe... but a bg image is certainly not part of the interface |
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| 13:41:51 | Bagder | its just looks |
| 13:42:07 | Bagder | but the "image replacement" tools for iriver is veeery popular it seems |
| 13:42:10 | amiconn | A bg image only takes resources.. and makes the actual content harder to read |
| 13:42:24 | Bagder | indicating iriver users like images taking precious screen real estate |
| 13:42:54 | LinusN | personally, i listen more to my player than look at it |
| 13:43:02 | t0mas | me too :) |
| 13:43:06 | Bagder | I would not use any silly pics ;-) |
| 13:43:09 | t0mas | it's usually in my pocket |
| 13:43:22 | LinusN | Bagder: no, you would use cool pics instead |
| 13:43:29 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 13:43:32 | t0mas | but still... if it's availible... you can see some people making usable intarface |
| 13:43:34 | t0mas | Å› |
| 13:43:47 | Bagder | I think it would be fun to support |
| 13:43:52 | LinusN | indeed |
| 13:43:53 | amiconn | Well, imho there is one place where images (icons) might make the ui more pleasing, and that is icons for the main menu |
| 13:44:24 | * | underlord neels before the rockbox gods, and prays that the iriver port rocks aas much as it looks like it will |
| 13:44:37 | t0mas | ghehe |
| 13:45:39 | Bagder | the rockbox gods? Are those the ones you claim all those goats we sacrifise? |
| 13:45:43 | Bagder | who claim |
| 13:45:59 | underlord | yeps, those are the ones |
| 13:46:04 | Bagder | aah |
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| 13:52:09 | underlord | i have a worthless kodak mc3 in the garage, is there no chance that i could make it worth something with rockbox, i heard somewhere in google that they use very similar hardware as the archos |
| 13:53:40 | Bagder | even if it is, it takes a lot of work |
| 13:54:08 | underlord | ahh |
| 13:55:33 | underlord | how do you upload new firmware to the flash in an iriver if your code screws up? do you have an external programmer wired in with the flash chip? |
| 13:56:01 | Bagder | when you reset rockbox, it reboots into the original iriver firmware |
| 13:56:15 | Bagder | then you can reflash using that |
| 13:56:38 | underlord | as in turn off and turn on or the pen button on the base of the unit? |
| 13:57:13 | Bagder | the reset button in the base |
| 13:57:34 | Bagder | and if rockbox works, you can just hold rec to boot straight into the original firmware |
| 13:58:26 | underlord | so this is a software solution which depends on rockbox not being totaly screwed up or is there something cool in the hardware of h1xx? |
| 13:58:48 | Bagder | there's nothing cool, no |
| 13:58:58 | underlord | hrmmm |
| 13:58:59 | Bagder | you can brick it |
| 13:59:12 | underlord | brick it? |
| 13:59:19 | Bagder | turn it into a brick |
| 13:59:23 | underlord | oh |
| 13:59:24 | Bagder | ie dead |
| 13:59:25 | underlord | i see |
| 13:59:42 | Bagder | that's a risk you take by doing this |
| 13:59:43 | underlord | does that happen alot O_o |
| 13:59:49 | Bagder | not a single case yet |
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| 14:00:03 | underlord | ooh |
| 14:00:31 | underlord | well im thinking i'll hold on till the warrenty is over before i start playing with custom formwares, which is a while |
| 14:00:46 | Bagder | chicken |
| 14:00:49 | Bagder | ;-) |
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| 14:01:41 | underlord | the things are allmost out of production (or maybe they totaly are?) and even if they wernt i couldnt afford to replace it, the bass is too good to go back to using my pc's sound system |
| 14:01:44 | * | t0mas flashed it... and it works... |
| 14:02:11 | Bagder | that's of course up to each and everyone |
| 14:02:14 | t0mas | and it's now displaying my test image :D |
| 14:03:19 | Bagder | nice |
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| 14:05:10 | t0mas | hm... what was iriver resolution? |
| 14:05:18 | Bagder | 160x128 |
| 14:05:21 | t0mas | k |
| 14:06:04 | t0mas | is there a faster way to test plugin's? |
| 14:06:17 | t0mas | not to do a total make, make install |
| 14:08:31 | Bagder | make a symlink to the build tree |
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| 14:08:42 | t0mas | ? |
| 14:09:23 | Bagder | in archos/.rockbox/rocks you make a symlink to the plugin in your build tree |
| 14:09:34 | Bagder | then you don't have to do make install |
| 14:09:43 | t0mas | but still make it... |
| 14:09:52 | Bagder | of course |
| 14:10:01 | t0mas | is there a shorter way for that too? |
| 14:10:05 | t0mas | not to do a full make |
| 14:10:13 | t0mas | but just something like make plugin's ? |
| 14:10:33 | Bagder | but it only rebuilds your plugin when you run make |
| 14:10:34 | ashridah | @#$%@#$% |
| 14:10:46 | ashridah | gah. |
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| 14:11:20 | ashridah | "A digital transmission system has a bit rate of 45 megabits/second. How many PCM voice calls can be carried by the system". that's great, what's the sample rate? |
| 14:11:31 | ashridah | i hate crappily worded assignments :( |
| 14:11:38 | LinusN | 8khz is a very common rate |
| 14:11:53 | LinusN | how long is a string? :-) |
| 14:12:02 | amiconn | 'PCM voice calls' -> 8 kHz 8 bit mono |
| 14:12:09 | ashridah | i know, but they've just specified 4KHz as the voice bandwidth. |
| 14:12:29 | LinusN | and nyquist tell you to double the rate |
| 14:12:29 | ashridah | so do i take it as 8samples /Hz? or 16 and make it an isdn line? |
| 14:12:30 | amiconn | Yes, and you need 8 kHz sample rate for 4 kHz bandwidth |
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| 14:13:22 | LinusN | 8000 8-bit samples/sec |
| 14:13:31 | LinusN | meaning 64kbit/s per channel |
| 14:13:46 | ashridah | LinusN: how can you arrive at doubling the rate when you don't know the signal level? or do you just take it as '1' (and thus log2(M) is 0...? |
| 14:13:52 | LinusN | i.e one ISDN B channel |
| 14:14:09 | LinusN | ashridah: signal level has nothing to do with it |
| 14:14:16 | ashridah | LinusN: yeah, but none of this is specified in the course material OR in the question :) |
| 14:14:27 | LinusN | read up on the nyquist sampling theorem |
| 14:14:39 | ashridah | the only nyquist function we've been given is bitrate = 2*bandwidth*log2(M) where M is the signal level. |
| 14:14:49 | ashridah | which comes back to the question sucking :) |
| 14:15:12 | * | ashridah notes that he already knows all of this from prior experience, andi s mostly bitching about the subject and it's shoddy lecturer |
| 14:15:32 | kurzhaarrocker | The nyquist theroem is about frequency only, it doesn't say anything about bitrates |
| 14:15:57 | LinusN | log2(M) is the word size |
| 14:16:32 | ashridah | LinusN: so i'd use '2' then because it's binary? |
| 14:16:49 | LinusN | ashridah: so it all goes down to defining "PCM voice call" then |
| 14:16:50 | ashridah | and thus have log2(2) which is just 1, eliminating it, and making it a doubling of the sampling rate? :) |
| 14:16:59 | ashridah | LinusN: exactly :) |
| 14:17:09 | ashridah | again, which isn't specified anywhere |
| 14:17:12 | LinusN | ashridah: don't confuse "bit rate" and "sampling rate" |
| 14:17:56 | ashridah | true. |
| 14:18:25 | LinusN | 2*bandwidth gives the sampling rate, 2*bandwith*log2(M) gives the bit rate |
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| 14:18:48 | LinusN | bit rate = sampling rate * word size |
| 14:19:36 | LinusN | a normal pcm voice call is 8kHz 8-bit |
| 14:19:45 | LinusN | giving 64kbit/s |
| 14:20:20 | ashridah | yes. but they haven't said any of this in the lectures or in the tutes. :) |
| 14:20:36 | LinusN | but they still need to tell you about standard voice pcm rates |
| 14:21:16 | LinusN | maybe you slept during that lecture? or played marioland on your iriver? |
| 14:22:16 | ashridah | well, they didn't mention the standards. but i knew the typical sample rate = double highest frequency. from work i'd done previously. |
| 14:22:35 | ashridah | infact, the course has ignored isdn completely as far as i can see |
| 14:22:37 | ashridah | which seems odd |
| 14:22:58 | kurzhaarrocker | <- slept during those lessons about Fourier Transformation :( |
| 14:22:58 | ashridah | since it's still decidedly prevalent if you're installign a connection of any kind of size here in .au |
| 14:23:15 | ashridah | kurzhaarrocker: god. i was awake for those. and they still mostly missed me :( |
| 14:23:57 | LinusN | useful knowledge though |
| 14:24:32 | kurzhaarrocker | ... and up to date I was to lazy to learn how to fast fourier transform. |
| 14:25:09 | LinusN | well, few people know how it really works, and even fewer are able to actually code their own fft |
| 14:25:43 | kurzhaarrocker | which is exactly the only task I'd like the knowledge for. |
| 14:25:57 | underlord | in iriver is usb handled by some usb->hdd interface chipset or in the coldfire chip? |
| 14:26:11 | HCl | chipset. |
| 14:26:33 | underlord | ahh, no chance of usb to go then? |
| 14:26:42 | HCl | usb to go? |
| 14:26:49 | LinusN | underlord: nope |
| 14:26:52 | underlord | where iriver acts as usb host |
| 14:26:55 | HCl | no. |
| 14:27:00 | underlord | bugger |
| 14:27:26 | ashridah | wait a sec. this is suggesting that the bitrate is 8,000bps. that sounds absurdly low. |
| 14:28:03 | LinusN | ashridah: sampling rate, not bit rate |
| 14:28:34 | ashridah | okay. then my lecture notes are DEFINENTLY wrong. they state (and i quote "bit rate = 2 * bandwidth * log2(signal levels) |
| 14:28:34 | LinusN | 8000 samples/sec times 8 bits equals 64000 |
| 14:28:37 | ashridah | " |
| 14:29:01 | LinusN | signal levels is 256 in this case |
| 14:29:15 | LinusN | giving 8 bits |
| 14:29:16 | ashridah | aaaah. |
| 14:29:18 | ashridah | now that makes sense |
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| 14:34:03 | kurzhaarrocker | does the command patch stop once it hits a hunk that it can't apply automatically? |
| 14:35:07 | underlord | is the usb is handles by a seperate chipset is there anything technicaly stopping the firmware from playback while its connected? |
| 14:35:22 | underlord | *if the usb... |
| 14:35:33 | ashridah | kurzhaarrocker: no. it leaves it in a .rej file and moves on to the next hunk |
| 14:35:40 | LinusN | underlord: yes, since the usb chipset is controlling the hard drive |
| 14:36:16 | underlord | oh yeah |
| 14:36:19 | LinusN | but yes, we can still play from memory |
| 14:36:32 | underlord | but not for long |
| 14:36:36 | LinusN | nope |
| 14:36:43 | Bagder | well, for many minutes at least |
| 14:36:47 | Bagder | in most cases |
| 14:37:16 | underlord | wouldnt be possible to pause the usb chip for a few secs while the firmware gets more in to its buffer without upsetting the pc attached? |
| 14:37:22 | LinusN | no |
| 14:37:40 | underlord | how much ram has it got? |
| 14:37:46 | LinusN | 32meg |
| 14:37:54 | LinusN | (if you mean iriver) |
| 14:38:09 | underlord | yea, thats more than my first pc :P |
| 14:38:17 | LinusN | :-) |
| 14:38:35 | underlord | i suppose they need a bit to get decent battery life |
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| 14:39:53 | kurzhaarrocker | Thanx ashridah, that's what I assumed. My problem wasn't the "patch" command but the patch file. It doesn't contail all the changes. :( |
| 14:40:15 | ashridah | underlord: that's also partly a matter of cost. eventually it gets to the point where smaller chips cost more not less. |
| 14:40:47 | underlord | why? |
| 14:41:08 | ashridah | harder to get |
| 14:41:22 | ashridah | more demand for bigger chips == lower price and higher availability. |
| 14:41:28 | underlord | i would think heaps of things would still be using small chips though |
| 14:41:30 | ashridah | smaller ones get phased out |
| 14:42:09 | ashridah | and if it becomes cheaper to use a chip with more capacity at the same physical dimensions, you'll do it to save even as little as a few cents per unit |
| 14:42:18 | ashridah | over a run of 100,000 units, that adds up |
| 14:42:26 | underlord | so you reccon theres enough power in the iriver to get away with chossfading? |
| 14:42:40 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:42:50 | underlord | cool |
| 14:43:01 | LinusN | but we have some more codec optimizing to do before that |
| 14:43:21 | underlord | ofcourse |
| 14:44:05 | underlord | its quite boggeling how many file formats it looks like you will eventualy support |
| 14:44:22 | LinusN | hehe |
| 14:44:24 | ashridah | assuming people step up to the plate and build them |
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| 14:46:12 | underlord | midi support is crazy - the good kind of crazy though |
| 14:46:39 | dwihno | Software synthesis sounds like a no-go |
| 14:46:56 | * | DeadMan wonders why XP bluescreens with an NTFS error when copying it's installation files over at the very beginning of a fresh install |
| 14:47:00 | underlord | though the wiki lists encoding as impossible, seems to me (crappy) encoding could be done by picking up the frequencies of notes from a fast fourier run in the input |
| 14:47:33 | * | underlord wonders what deadman expects from windows |
| 14:47:53 | DeadMan | I've moved the memory to another slot to see if it was that |
| 14:48:00 | ashridah | DeadMan: that kinda requires untested hardware |
| 14:48:12 | DeadMan | yeah it is sorta untested |
| 14:48:25 | DeadMan | father bought it second hand from some dealer 'sold as seen' |
| 14:48:40 | DeadMan | he didn't even test it properly before buying |
| 14:48:53 | DeadMan | the hard disk was busted |
| 14:49:13 | DeadMan | and was only 10gb and the video card is a sucky 16mb pci thing |
| 14:49:33 | * | kurzhaarrocker trashes the patch command |
| 14:50:04 | DeadMan | but he's like "Oh it has a 15" LCD" and gets carried away and a bit ripped off if it don't actually work properly |
| 14:50:39 | DeadMan | as it is he will have to get a new hard disk and some extra memory to run XP effectively |
| 14:51:09 | DeadMan | But I don't like calling my father an idiot and that he just blew £200 on crap |
| 14:51:43 | ashridah | 15" lcd? |
| 14:51:52 | DeadMan | small neh? :) |
| 14:51:53 | ashridah | i assume it's a laptop |
| 14:51:56 | DeadMan | nope |
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| 14:51:58 | ashridah | because that's fricking tiny |
| 14:52:14 | DeadMan | He says he prefers is as he does not have a lot of space |
| 14:52:19 | DeadMan | is = it |
| 14:52:20 | underlord | lol |
| 14:52:33 | DeadMan | what can I say |
| 14:52:45 | DeadMan | I can say all kinds of stuff to him but bit my tongue |
| 14:52:47 | ashridah | DeadMan: with a screen that small, he's going to end up wasting space by pulling it closer to him |
| 14:53:06 | DeadMan | and considering he has to put on his reading glasses to see anything... |
| 14:53:38 | DeadMan | some folks are clueless about obvious stuff. Yet he is great with fixing cars and handyman type stuff |
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| 14:55:11 | kurzhaarrocker | patch: **** malformed patch at line 128: @@ -29,12 +30,17 @@ |
| 14:55:12 | kurzhaarrocker | grrrr |
| 14:58:40 | kurzhaarrocker | I seems that each unchanged line in a patch file must begin with a space |
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| 15:08:00 | ashridah | kurzhaarrocker: yeah, the first column is + for a change, - for a change, or blank for no change. |
| 15:09:22 | * | kurzhaarrocker fixes the patch file manually |
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| 15:28:49 | kurzhaarrocker | blbllb |
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| 16:08:36 | HCl | wb.. |
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| 16:23:49 | LinusN | HCl: the rockboy sound is just silence |
| 16:26:52 | Bagder | is it really sound then? ;-) |
| 16:26:57 | kurzhaarrocker | brabbelbralbbel QUIEEEeek! |
| 16:27:16 | kurzhaarrocker | strange sound |
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| 16:43:08 | jort | hello |
| 16:43:19 | Bagder | hi |
| 16:43:45 | jort | I don't understand the "recent cvs activity" on the homepage... |
| 16:43:49 | jort | what is it? |
| 16:44:00 | Bagder | it is... recent activity in CVS! ;-P |
| 16:44:01 | jort | it isn't a new firmware for the jukebox.. |
| 16:44:14 | jort | but what does it tell me? |
| 16:44:25 | Bagder | it tells you what happens in the rockbox source tree |
| 16:44:41 | Bagder | or happened recently |
| 16:44:45 | jort | so, they announce what they've modified or something?! |
| 16:45:01 | Bagder | no |
| 16:45:03 | jort | I thought a firmware was only one file... |
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| 16:45:10 | Bagder | "they" change source code |
| 16:45:16 | Bagder | it is |
| 16:45:26 | Bagder | firmware is a binary blob |
| 16:45:30 | Bagder | built from source code |
| 16:46:02 | jort | but what are all these apps/code etc. folders? |
| 16:46:14 | LinusN | source code folders |
| 16:46:18 | jort | they put all these files together and then call it a firmware and release it? |
| 16:46:26 | LinusN | they == us |
| 16:46:31 | jort | yeah, I know |
| 16:46:34 | Bagder | jort: basically, yes |
| 16:46:40 | jort | ok |
| 16:46:41 | Bagder | that's how programming is done |
| 16:46:47 | Bagder | its not unique for rockbox |
| 16:46:53 | Bagder | ALL programs are made this way |
| 16:47:03 | jort | cool |
| 16:47:55 | jort | always been a Windows user where the applications are written at some Microsoft no-enty for non-developpers room |
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| 16:50:05 | jort | well, I've learned something today :) |
| 16:50:49 | t0mas | ok, I have a hardcoded background image for the wps... |
| 16:51:40 | jort | is that a good thing? |
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| 16:52:28 | jort | dudes, I won't bother you again (at least, not today). Good luck programming! |
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| 16:53:08 | t0mas | :X |
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| 16:54:18 | Bagder | jort: you don't bother us by being here |
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| 16:56:19 | jort | but I do if I just keep on talking hehe |
| 16:56:23 | jort | cya dudes |
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| 17:02:46 | HCl | linus: (not here but may be reading the log) i know, i got no sound either, and neither did xshock, at the beginning. he claimed to have gotten it to work though |
| 17:05:56 | t0mas | hmz... HCl? |
| 17:05:57 | t0mas | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsGallery/NicolasGif_2.png |
| 17:06:08 | t0mas | the double line after the icon list on top... |
| 17:06:12 | t0mas | what's that? |
| 17:06:14 | t0mas | a bug? |
| 17:07:09 | t0mas | oh wait |
| 17:07:09 | Schnueff_ | looks like a peak meter? |
| 17:07:11 | t0mas | peek meter |
| 17:07:20 | t0mas | yes, but it isn't working in iriver |
| 17:07:33 | t0mas | So I was looking at it... and couln't figure out what it was |
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| 17:40:42 | Rick | er |
| 17:40:53 | Rick | t0mas: is that the remote? |
| 17:41:19 | t0mas | what? |
| 17:41:36 | t0mas | the image? |
| 17:41:41 | Rick | yeah |
| 17:41:43 | t0mas | no... that's an example wps |
| 17:41:52 | Rick | example? |
| 17:41:53 | t0mas | I'm adding images to the wps :) |
| 17:42:01 | Rick | what is wps? |
| 17:42:09 | t0mas | Sorry, while playing screen |
| 17:42:19 | Rick | ah |
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| 17:59:18 | LinusN | HCl: i got it to work as well |
| 17:59:35 | LinusN | silly me, forgot to unmute the 1380 :-) |
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| 18:00:01 | LinusN | sounds horrible though, we need to work a lot on the sound buffering on rockbox |
| 18:00:04 | LinusN | rockboy |
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| 18:23:10 | DeadMan | Poor father. Spent £200 on a 2nd hand PC that he can't get his money back on and it's faulty. EIDE controller appears to be busted. Anytime data is written to it the system blue screens or just crashes totally |
| 18:23:38 | t0mas | hmz... that's screwed up... |
| 18:23:50 | * | t0mas doesn't have that type of partens :) |
| 18:23:55 | DeadMan | tested a few hard disks and same results. Errors trying to format or copy |
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| 18:24:08 | DeadMan | XP install falls over |
| 18:24:12 | t0mas | I coded my first Basic app with my dad... when I was 12 :) |
| 18:24:59 | DeadMan | so he will have to spend at least another 200 on mainboard, cpu and fan and memory unless we can somehow test the memory out |
| 18:25:12 | DeadMan | I don't have any DDR laying around to test it though |
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| 18:37:54 | Lynx_ | can you boot off cd? |
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| 18:49:00 | t0mas | hm... |
| 18:49:15 | t0mas | anybody around who know's something about the wps files? |
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| 19:06:15 | t0mas | :D |
| 19:06:22 | t0mas | First wps screen mod is done: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=534.msg2438#msg2438 |
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| 19:37:04 | HCl | DeadMan: like i said, second hand pcs are second hand for a good reason |
| 19:38:49 | t0mas | most time yes... |
| 19:39:01 | t0mas | but I've bought my server in good state... secondhand... |
| 19:39:03 | HCl | t0mas: now it looks like the standard firmware a bit O.o; |
| 19:39:16 | t0mas | HCl: it's nobby's design |
| 19:39:17 | HCl | t0mas: well, there are the rare cases that good computers become obsolete |
| 19:39:50 | t0mas | well... my server is just one that got replaced... |
| 19:40:03 | HCl | same for mine |
| 19:40:07 | t0mas | I tested it there with a knoppix/memtest cd... |
| 19:40:15 | t0mas | everything worked... |
| 19:40:25 | t0mas | so I bought it :) |
| 19:40:28 | HCl | we got donated a whole serverblock of t-mobile |
| 19:40:36 | HCl | one of their old servers is mine now |
| 19:40:43 | t0mas | but do you have a better idea for the wps? |
| 19:41:08 | HCl | not yet, i think that things like next song might be useful |
| 19:41:10 | * | t0mas starts to like this source hacking a little :) |
| 19:41:16 | t0mas | yeah, it was on there |
| 19:41:25 | HCl | the primary reason why i don't like iriver's usage of screen display |
| 19:41:28 | t0mas | but the next song thing isn't working right with iriver yet... |
| 19:41:33 | HCl | is that it wastes space that can be used for useful info |
| 19:41:51 | t0mas | yeah, I had the last line like this: Next: Artist - title |
| 19:41:58 | t0mas | for 3 seconds.. |
| 19:42:03 | t0mas | then Next: filename.mp3 |
| 19:42:05 | t0mas | for 3 seconds |
| 19:42:10 | t0mas | loop.. like that.. |
| 19:42:39 | t0mas | but on iRiver (or maybe only on simulator) the next song option doesn't really work |
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| 19:44:10 | t0mas | lol |
| 19:44:21 | t0mas | hi, hi, hi, bye, bye |
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| 20:24:02 | mirak | HI |
| 20:31:47 | t0mas | hi |
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| 20:44:25 | t0mas | ghehe |
| 20:44:39 | t0mas | slowly making rockbox graphical is fun to do :) |
| 20:44:57 | t0mas | but there should be tought of a way to load images from disk? |
| 20:45:04 | t0mas | or only include them on iriver |
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| 20:45:29 | t0mas | because the more graphics.. the more mem used |
| 20:47:36 | mirak | hi |
| 20:47:45 | mirak | I am using mencoder to split a file |
| 20:47:58 | mirak | but it's weird it doesn't split it right |
| 20:49:14 | t0mas | read_bmp_file() |
| 20:49:22 | t0mas | anybody know's where this function is? |
| 20:49:26 | t0mas | in wich header? |
| 20:49:56 | t0mas | oh wait bmp.h |
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| 21:04:05 | HCl | t0mas: you can just use a define so they're only compiled in for iriver. |
| 21:04:49 | t0mas | yeah I'll do that |
| 21:05:25 | t0mas | using read_bmp_file isn't a good idea |
| 21:05:39 | t0mas | would start the disk every time you open something using images |
| 21:06:12 | mirak | nobody use mencoder here ? |
| 21:06:52 | * | t0mas doesn't |
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| 21:25:58 | SeanHarris | hello? |
| 21:26:26 | t0mas | hi |
| 21:26:53 | SeanHarris | i deleated my operating system for my archos gminiXS 200.. |
| 21:27:00 | SeanHarris | am i totaly screwed? |
| 21:27:19 | SeanHarris | im trying to find some one who can send me the os |
| 21:27:33 | t0mas | Untill now I only did iRiver... |
| 21:27:42 | t0mas | So I think someone else can better help you |
| 21:27:58 | SeanHarris | ok, well i hoped to find some one on here thant owned one |
| 21:28:05 | SeanHarris | can could send me the OS |
| 21:30:22 | t0mas | well... it's kind of silent here... so maybe if you stay some time you might get lucky |
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| 21:30:33 | SeanHarris | heh, yeah.... |
| 21:31:30 | SeanHarris | i have posted on the forums too, so hopfully some one will see it there and can help... |
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| 21:35:15 | SeanHarris | does any one here own an archos gminiXS 200? |
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| 21:50:11 | XShocK | hi all. |
| 21:50:20 | XShocK | here only for a couple of minutes. |
| 21:51:08 | | Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
| 21:51:09 | XShocK | i did so that it does not start dma over |
| 21:51:12 | XShocK | hi linus |
| 21:51:18 | LinusN | hi |
| 21:54:04 | XShocK | the main bug was in dma_stop. it should have IIS2CONFIG = 0x800; in order to stop dac. in terms of it it fired CE error in DSR0 |
| 21:54:49 | XShocK | i also changed a couple of things such as initiating UDA1380 in the start |
| 21:55:16 | XShocK | and also eliminated dac stopping and starting, |
| 21:55:36 | XShocK | i will try to polish it so that it works fine. now need to go. |
| 21:58:55 | LinusN | would be nice to see a patch |
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| 21:59:20 | LinusN | i'm working on this myself as we wpeak |
| 21:59:24 | LinusN | speak |
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| 22:05:20 | LinusN | XShocK: stopping the dac isn't the only solution, you can just as well stop the dma |
| 22:07:36 | XShocK | i guess by preventing the interrupt? |
| 22:08:28 | XShocK | i agree, but i think stopping dac is better, i hope it would save some energy. |
| 22:08:28 | XShocK | :) |
| 22:09:43 | XShocK | and by some strangeness it fired CE error in DSR0 with BCR0 being 0, which mean that dac was requesting data when it finishes, i added stopping of DAC and it worked fine. |
| 22:09:53 | XShocK | sorry, i need to go. cya |
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| 22:26:52 | ARogan | I have this weird problem with an archos jukebox recorder 20 v1 |
| 22:27:06 | ARogan | within a 20 hr period. the device will just turn itself on |
| 22:27:15 | ARogan | just sitting on a table off. all of a sudden it turns on |
| 22:27:32 | ARogan | then the on button is kind of stuck for a while. after you mash it a bit. it works fine for another day |
| 22:27:35 | ARogan | any ideas? |
| 22:27:45 | ARogan | I think my archos has become self aware |
| 22:30:02 | LinusN | weird |
| 22:33:24 | t0mas | Linux? |
| 22:33:30 | t0mas | *Linus |
| 22:33:33 | t0mas | http://tomas.salfischberger.nl/dump/wps-test.png |
| 22:33:37 | t0mas | first background idea |
| 22:33:47 | t0mas | with a little customed wps |
| 22:34:58 | t0mas | I've replaced the background plan with an overlay... because this doesn't get overwritten by textlines |
| 22:35:14 | LinusN | overlay? |
| 22:35:25 | Bagder | t0mas: we still need margins or similar |
| 22:35:30 | Bagder | calling it overlay doesn't solve that |
| 22:35:48 | Bagder | or textboxes |
| 22:35:52 | LinusN | what are those things on each side, above the progress bar? |
| 22:36:00 | t0mas | LinusN: After the lcd_clear you can paint something, and call it a background.. because it get's overwritten |
| 22:36:17 | t0mas | and before the lcd_update, you can do "overlay" because it overwrites everything else |
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| 22:36:40 | t0mas | Those things on the side are an idea of "nobby" on the boards |
| 22:36:53 | LinusN | but what are they? |
| 22:36:53 | t0mas | I just copy/pasted his interface idea... to test it :) |
| 22:37:00 | t0mas | nothing... just static images |
| 22:37:06 | LinusN | ok |
| 22:37:13 | t0mas | I guess he want's em to move like the iriver version |
| 22:37:29 | LinusN | and the 3 icons, are they separate bitmaps? |
| 22:37:42 | t0mas | nope, this is just a very basic "overlay" image |
| 22:37:47 | t0mas | just displaying 1 bmp over it all |
| 22:37:57 | LinusN | what happens when the test scrolls? |
| 22:38:10 | t0mas | Haven't fully tested |
| 22:38:15 | t0mas | but I guess it overwrites |
| 22:38:22 | LinusN | it will |
| 22:38:29 | t0mas | not sure.. |
| 22:38:38 | t0mas | background will be overwritten... |
| 22:38:52 | t0mas | but the overlay is painted just before the lcd_update... sa maybe it's intact... |
| 22:39:08 | Bagder | yes, it'll scroll under the icons |
| 22:39:16 | LinusN | the scrolling does lcd_update_rect() in another thread |
| 22:39:16 | Bagder | I guess |
| 22:39:24 | Bagder | ah right |
| 22:39:29 | t0mas | LinusN: in that case it will overwrite |
| 22:40:00 | t0mas | so maybe we should use the boxed idea we had this morning? |
| 22:40:11 | t0mas | to make scrolling happen in a box.. |
| 22:40:37 | LinusN | i have a patch that solves half the problem |
| 22:41:05 | t0mas | cool |
| 22:41:15 | * | t0mas was just thinking of how to do it ;) |
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| 22:57:15 | t0mas | LinusN: how is your patch working? |
| 22:59:21 | LinusN | it extends the lcd_setmargins() function |
| 22:59:46 | LinusN | mainly for pupup menus, but it will work for the wps too |
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| 23:00:04 | LinusN | however, the wps might want separate margins for each line |
| 23:02:04 | t0mas | hm... is it ok for me to try a rewrite of it? |
| 23:02:19 | t0mas | the wps is now just not designed for this kind of idea's |
| 23:02:52 | t0mas | and I guess it's less work to write a new format... than to try to get images and margin's into the one availible now? |
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| 23:10:56 | Bagder | a new wps format? |
| 23:12:16 | t0mas | yes... |
| 23:12:45 | t0mas | or someone must have a great idea on how to get images integrated in the current format? |
| 23:14:45 | Bagder | it could simply be "%mf|filename|x|y" |
| 23:15:44 | t0mas | %mf|filename|x|y|z |
| 23:15:48 | t0mas | would work... |
| 23:15:50 | Bagder | z? |
| 23:15:57 | t0mas | before of behind text |
| 23:16:13 | Bagder | why would you want text and graphics on top of each other? |
| 23:16:33 | Bagder | but sure, we can support that |
| 23:16:40 | elinenbe | text on top of a album cover graphic |
| 23:16:40 | t0mas | well.. because text lines overwrite the whole line... if you pad em with spaces |
| 23:16:49 | t0mas | so that should be on top |
| 23:16:54 | Bagder | ah right, and with multiple pics... |
| 23:16:59 | t0mas | but on top graphic's should be refreshed more |
| 23:17:09 | Bagder | text lines should not overwrite the whole line |
| 23:17:14 | Bagder | that would be stupid |
| 23:17:15 | t0mas | but they do :) |
| 23:17:22 | t0mas | %ia |
| 23:17:26 | Bagder | they DO yes, but we DO not support images |
| 23:17:29 | t0mas | would print: " Artist" |
| 23:17:37 | t0mas | and spaces are cleared... |
| 23:18:02 | Bagder | and I repeatedly mention margins or textboxes for a reason |
| 23:18:07 | t0mas | so maybe LinusN can fix this with the patch... so we don't longer use spaces... and we can use the simple %mf|filename|x|y format |
| 23:18:54 | HCl | ugh. |
| 23:19:00 | t0mas | hi |
| 23:19:01 | HCl | i hate hate hate hate hate math ;.; |
| 23:19:03 | HCl | hi :( |
| 23:19:35 | t0mas | Bagder: I'll try to make that %mf|filename|x|y work tomorrow |
| 23:19:41 | t0mas | shouldn't be to difficult |
| 23:19:45 | tvelocity | why do you hate math? |
| 23:19:59 | Bagder | t0mas: you were very quick so far! |
| 23:20:16 | HCl | tvelocity: because i suck at it? |
| 23:20:33 | HCl | can anyone tell me the total amount of letter permutations you can make of the word information? |
| 23:20:36 | tvelocity | i see.. i love math :P |
| 23:20:43 | t0mas | Bagder: I had nothing to do this afternoon... |
| 23:20:48 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:20:57 | t0mas | and I'm happy I can do something for rockbox now :) |
| 23:20:58 | HCl | tvelocity: help me out? ;/ |
| 23:21:42 | t0mas | HCl: count the letters... and grab a GR... |
| 23:21:47 | tvelocity | HCl, i love math, but i'm not studying mathematics. i don't know if i _can_ help you |
| 23:21:59 | HCl | t0mas: gr? |
| 23:22:05 | t0mas | Grafische Rekenmachine |
| 23:22:10 | HCl | t0mas: its not that simple cause of those crappy double letters. |
| 23:22:11 | t0mas | (Dutch) |
| 23:22:21 | HCl | the O,N and I can be interchanged |
| 23:22:38 | t0mas | HCl: yes, substract those possebillity's afterwards? |
| 23:22:52 | HCl | i don't know how many possibilities there are of that :/ |
| 23:22:53 | t0mas | pff... my typing starts to suck... |
| 23:23:15 | HCl | 11! - (3*2!) ? |
| 23:23:19 | HCl | i honestly have no clue :/ |
| 23:24:04 | tvelocity | what exactly does the word permutation mean?:P |
| 23:24:12 | t0mas | eh... |
| 23:24:21 | HCl | different combinations.. |
| 23:24:28 | t0mas | well you can permutate 1 and 2 in 1 2 and 2 1 |
| 23:24:33 | t0mas | that are two permutations... |
| 23:24:35 | HCl | yea.. |
| 23:24:48 | t0mas | 11! is the right start ;) |
| 23:24:56 | tvelocity | nice |
| 23:25:01 | HCl | that doesn't help me much :/ |
| 23:25:20 | t0mas | hmz... |
| 23:25:47 | t0mas | 1 2 2 -> 2 1 2 -> 2 2 1 |
| 23:25:51 | t0mas | 3! = 6 |
| 23:25:58 | HCl | 11!/(2!)^3 ? |
| 23:25:58 | t0mas | 6 / 2 = 3 |
| 23:26:01 | t0mas | toeval? |
| 23:26:15 | t0mas | arg... toeval = coincidence |
| 23:26:18 | t0mas | -i |
| 23:26:26 | t0mas | and it's bed time when I start typing like this... |
| 23:26:34 | HCl | .... 3! = 3*2*1 so ofcourse 3*2 / 2 = 3 |
| 23:27:34 | t0mas | it's 11! / 2 / 2 |
| 23:27:45 | t0mas | (for 2 double characters) |
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| 23:27:56 | t0mas | oh no... |
| 23:28:00 | t0mas | that's just for 1 double |
| 23:28:20 | HCl | according to my notes its 11!/(2!)^3 |
| 23:28:32 | HCl | ^ being to the power of, not xor, obviously. |
| 23:28:44 | LinusN | gotta sleep, cu tomorrow |
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| 23:28:49 | t0mas | 11! / 2! is ok for 1 double |
| 23:28:52 | HCl | but that barely brings me any closer to solving my assignment. |
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| 23:29:01 | t0mas | so I guess 11! / 2! / 2! would be ok... |
| 23:29:06 | HCl | okay, then i'll assume i got it right.. |
| 23:29:48 | t0mas | (not sure ;)) |
| 23:29:50 | HCl | my next problem is that i need to count how many permutations there are where two consecutive letters occur more than once... |
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| 23:30:33 | * | t0mas found it |
| 23:30:44 | t0mas | 11! / (2! * 2!) |
| 23:30:54 | t0mas | so (11! / 2!) / 2! is ok |
| 23:30:56 | HCl | mhm... |
| 23:31:08 | HCl | yea, so my (11! / (2!)^3) is right.. |
| 23:31:14 | t0mas | yes |
| 23:31:44 | HCl | that leads to my next problem |
| 23:31:48 | t0mas | you have to devide it by all permutation's you can't distinguish |
| 23:31:58 | t0mas | yeah... |
| 23:32:03 | t0mas | that'll be you problem ;) |
| 23:32:09 | HCl | how do i count how many permutations there are of the word information where a pair of two consecutive letters occur more than once. |
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| 23:32:37 | NHeal | sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 23:32:37 | NJoin | crash_ [0] (~crash@a15167580.alturo-server.de) |
| 23:32:53 | t0mas | well... I know how to do it for 1 pair... |
| 23:33:26 | t0mas | in AAADE you have 2! (D and E) * 3 (places where AAA can be) |
| 23:33:42 | t0mas | AAADE -> DAAAE -> DEAAA |
| 23:35:06 | t0mas | so maybe you can use that for the 2 character problem :) |
| 23:35:27 | t0mas | oh wait... |
| 23:35:30 | HCl | *shakes his head and sighs* |
| 23:35:55 | t0mas | you were looking for permutation's with NN and OO in it right? |
| 23:36:03 | t0mas | alway's two of em? not just NN of just OO? |
| 23:36:16 | HCl | hm.. wait.. |
| 23:36:23 | HCl | there're only limited combinations of two pairs... |
| 23:36:27 | t0mas | information |
| 23:36:28 | t0mas | yes |
| 23:36:30 | t0mas | 9! |
| 23:36:39 | HCl | yea |
| 23:36:41 | t0mas | I NN F OO R M A T I |
| 23:36:54 | t0mas | you can permutate that in 9! way's |
| 23:36:56 | HCl | i mean, no o.o |
| 23:37:31 | HCl | you have NI, ON, NO, IN... |
| 23:37:36 | t0mas | shit :P |
| 23:37:46 | HCl | i think thats all of them.. |
| 23:37:54 | t0mas | what's the dutch question? |
| 23:38:07 | HCl | its english, here: |
| 23:38:11 | t0mas | oh |
| 23:38:23 | t0mas | 7! * 4 |
| 23:38:25 | HCl | "in how many ways can one arrange all of the letters in the word INFORMATION so that no pair of consecutive letters occurs more than once?" |
| 23:38:26 | t0mas | doesn't that work? |
| 23:38:34 | t0mas | oh wait |
| 23:38:37 | t0mas | NOT... |
| 23:39:06 | t0mas | the 7! * 4 would be if you alway's wanted a pait together |
| 23:39:08 | HCl | doh. |
| 23:39:12 | HCl | i forgot OI and IO |
| 23:39:13 | t0mas | so 11! - (7! * 4) |
| 23:39:14 | HCl | obviously.. |
| 23:39:17 | t0mas | damn... |
| 23:39:54 | t0mas | so 11! - (5! * 6) |
| 23:39:57 | HCl | so there are 6 possibilities of a letter combo appearing more than once... |
| 23:39:59 | t0mas | something like that |
| 23:40:17 | t0mas | good luck |
| 23:40:24 | HCl | thanks :/ |
| 23:40:36 | t0mas | gonna sleep :) |
| 23:40:38 | t0mas | c ya tomorrow |
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| 23:44:02 | NJoin | tvelocity [0] (tony@chan530-a053.otenet.gr) |
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| 23:46:42 | t0mas | hi |
| 23:46:45 | t0mas | back again |
| 23:47:01 | t0mas | (short sleep ;)) |
| 23:47:48 | HCl | i wish i could sleep that short and be completely rested. |
| 23:47:59 | HCl | i think i *might* be getting somewhere with my assignment... |
| 23:48:16 | HCl | but i'll probably have it completely wrong |
| 23:50:04 | t0mas | as long as you have something ;) |
| 23:55:02 | HCl | nope, horribly wrong |
| 23:55:08 | HCl | even after correcting several bugs, its still wrong. |
| 23:58:45 | HCl | *corrects another bug and gets an even wronger answer* |
| 23:58:51 | HCl | goooooddd i hate math >.<; |
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