#rockbox 2005-03-28

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#rockbox log for 2005-03-28

00:04:53	XShocK	mmmh.. i did something wrong.
00:05:41		Join muesli_ [0] (muesli_tv@251.12-dial.augustakom.net)
00:08:27	XShocK	sounds very good :)
00:09:18	XShocK	perfecto. but without screen update
00:09:57	HCl	nods
00:09:59	HCl	okay
00:10:00	HCl	nice
00:10:09	HCl	think you can round your patch up and send it to me?
00:10:21	HCl	now its just a matter of getting it to go faster
00:10:40	HCl	i'll merge it properly
00:11:34	XShocK	the only thing is that we need to pause the game itself..
00:11:48	HCl	yea, it stalls when you go to the rockbox menu
00:12:45		Quit Camilo ("Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Mozilla rv:1.8b2/20050309]")
00:12:47	XShocK	i meantion a bit different thing, but no matter, it is not a problem
00:12:58	HCl	oh, ok
00:13:00	HCl	what did you mean?
00:14:36	XShocK	nothing serious, it is ewsy to fix
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00:14:43	XShocK	don't worry. :)
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00:15:06	HCl	okies
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00:16:06	XShocK	btw i certainly think that current way of pausing the game until sound is played is not a good thing.
00:16:34	XShocK	it is normal for fast computers
00:16:52	HCl	yea, i agree..
00:17:08	HCl	i'm hoping the gnuboy developers are able to help out a bit
00:17:11	HCl	they're in #gnuboy...
00:18:23	HCl	XShocK: can't we like, use dma to play sound and continue emulation
00:18:35	XShocK	i did like this.
00:18:36	HCl	and only wait at the beginning of the pcm_submit function, if its not finished playing sound
00:18:46	HCl	and use like, two buffers that we swap between
00:19:22	XShocK	i did very simmilar to what you say, and i wait when my own buffer( where DMA works in) is completely full.
00:19:25	HCl	then we don't have to wait, or did we get the whole waiting bit out already?
00:19:34	HCl	mk
00:20:09	XShocK	but the prblem here is that we can't make this buffer very larger because the game would be ahead of where sound is.
00:20:20	HCl	yea
00:20:55	HCl	i guess there's no way to directly write sound output to the dac?
00:21:00	HCl	where it just plays whatever it gets
00:21:03	XShocK	i think the best way would be to change things a bit in rockboy.
00:21:09	HCl	mhm
00:21:48	XShocK	no..
00:21:56	XShocK	it cosunds very bad. :)
00:22:03	HCl	mhm.
00:22:17	HCl	making the buffer smaller only increases choppyness, i guess?
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00:23:07	XShocK	i think keeping sound buffer reasonably small, around 5 kb or so will be good.
00:23:13	muesli_	..oo000(i was disconnected 20mins ago)
00:24:21	XShocK	the game would be approx. 0.1 seconds ahead of sound, which is not a problem i think
00:24:43	HCl	mhm
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00:33:01	XShocK	HCl: ok. i will clean everything, then make good patches and give it to you
00:33:12	HCl	ok :)
00:38:00	XShocK	i found a small bug.
00:38:03	*	HCl is gonna go sleep soonish.
00:38:04	HCl	okies
00:38:23	HCl	if its not too much trouble you might want to look at sample.wav not playing at not 120mhz..
00:38:26	XShocK	when processro is overclocked my changes to PLLCR are gone.
00:38:39	XShocK	ok
00:39:15	XShocK	i found where it fails to play it. but i cannot explain it
00:40:01	XShocK	it throws CE error in DMA interrupt. but why... i have no idea
00:40:05	XShocK	will do it
00:41:01	XShocK	night
00:41:37	HCl	night..
00:43:41	HCl	wait. i'm confused.
00:43:59	HCl	did you go to sleep or did you say it cause i'm gonna sleep soon?
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00:48:12	*	vans thinks he fell asleep at the keyboard
00:48:18	vans	:)
00:51:36	*	HCl will just assume xshock went to sleep.. maybe..
00:51:47	HCl	hm. wait.
00:51:51	HCl	at 5 pm, thats unlikely :P
00:52:05	XShocK	no
00:52:10	XShocK	i am here :)
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00:52:17	XShocK	i was saying it to you. :)
00:52:18	HCl	XShocK: if you manage to get it done, upload it into ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/incoming, ok?
00:52:22	HCl	nods
00:52:24	XShocK	ok
00:52:35	HCl	i'm not really planning to go to sleep, want to get that patch done, though you can take your time, i'm not in a hurry..
00:52:56	XShocK	ok. half an hour to make sure everything is correct, ok?
00:53:09	HCl	sure
00:53:10	HCl	:)
00:58:56	XShocK	i made an experiment. when everything is staying at their places( mario in the begining) then music is perfect.
01:00
01:00:08	XShocK	but when i move, and the first bad slime is comign towards me ( i don't see it on screen though) the sound become bad.
01:00:28	XShocK	on small buffers
01:00:44	XShocK	because it takes too much time to calculate that slime moving.
01:01:14	XShocK	on big buffers lag between sound and picture will happen
01:01:43	XShocK	so there is a dilema on how big the buffer should be
01:03:01	HCl	just keep it small
01:03:05	HCl	we'll focus on speed improvements
01:03:48	XShocK	ok
01:04:55	HCl	it was to be expected that its not full speed yet
01:25:03	XShocK	ftp://raurin.no-ip.com/rockboy_s.patch
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01:29:34	HCl	ok
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01:31:52	XShocK	HCl: the sample.wav is not playing without overclocking in this patch. i don't really know how to fix that even though i know where is happens
01:32:03	HCl	okay
01:32:13	HCl	we can simply boost cpu for the sample playback
01:32:15	HCl	for now
01:32:29	XShocK	yes
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01:36:14	*	HCl changes that and goes to compile to test.
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01:39:28	XShocK	HCl: is this a "correct" patch?
01:40:14	XShocK	i hope it is not the opposite way.
01:48:16	HCl	yup
01:48:18	HCl	it patched cleanly
01:48:24	*	HCl does too many things at once
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01:54:13	HCl	: tests
01:55:57	HCl	hmmm
01:56:07	XShocK	?
01:56:10	HCl	XShocK: its stuttering a lot here, doesn't sound right, even when standing still
01:56:13	HCl	did i miss something?
01:56:34	XShocK	no. it is what it should be..
01:56:41	HCl	k k
01:56:49	HCl	thought you said it sounded perfect when standing still
01:56:51	HCl	in the beginning
01:56:53	XShocK	it sounds right only when no updates of window at all
01:56:57	HCl	nods
01:56:58	HCl	ok
01:56:59	HCl	:)
01:57:01	*	HCl will commit.
01:58:08	HCl	hm wait.
01:58:13	HCl	first let me clean it just a tiny bit
01:59:10	HCl	ah whatever >.o
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02:00:30	HCl	committed :)
02:01:35		Quit Camilo ("Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Mozilla rv:1.8b2/20050309]")
02:01:53	XShocK	:)
02:02:13	HCl	oh, nice, you even fixed the menu thing?
02:02:31	*	HCl goes to build a grayscale-with-sound-version
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02:04:03	muz	hey HCl how do I get rockboy to be in greyscale?
02:05:25	HCl	working on that.
02:05:32	HCl	i'm just recompiling a grayscale+sound version
02:05:49	muz	but like in that pokemon screenshot it was greyscale
02:05:58	XShocK	HCl: menu thing?
02:06:08	XShocK	aaah.. when you open the menu it stops the sound?
02:06:11	HCl	yup
02:06:16	HCl	muz: yes
02:06:37	XShocK	yes
02:06:37	HCl	muz: there's an non-merged grayscale patch, i'll put a grayscale build on my ftp in just a bit
02:06:48	muz	ok awesome
02:07:02	muz	do i need markuns greyscale patch too?
02:07:07	HCl	no
02:07:08	HCl	heh.
02:07:13	HCl	unless you want to compile it from source
02:07:17	muz	i though
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02:07:29	muz	surely u need rockbox to have greyscale support
02:07:46	HCl	i'm gonna put a pre-compiled rockbox on my ftp with grayscale support o.O
02:07:50	HCl	just wait o.o;;;
02:07:52	muz	ok yay
02:07:59	XShocK	btw, why the isn't the greayscale patch merged to cvs?
02:08:14	HCl	XShocK: its not finished yet
02:08:17	muz	yea u guys dont commit enough
02:08:19	muz	joke
02:08:26	XShocK	:)
02:08:45	*	HCl goes to update the wiki
02:09:23	wahat	what's does wiki stand for?
02:09:27	muz	um is there anyway i can change the max scan speed when browsing through long lists?
02:10:09	muz	is it scan min step: 2 or scan accel: 5 ??
02:11:12	*	wahat shrugs
02:11:55	HCl	no idea
02:11:56	wahat	hmm...rockbox doesn't actually flash to the main firmware does it?
02:12:01	HCl	there's a manual on the wiki
02:12:06	HCl	it does.
02:12:11	HCl	well, the bootloader does.
02:12:12	wahat	ahh..okay...
02:12:21	wahat	scratch that..
02:12:39	wahat	was thinking about trying something stupid
02:13:05	muz	i flashed mine
02:14:18	wahat	is there any place with detailed specs on the h100 and h300 series?
02:14:23	HCl	yup.
02:14:24	HCl	wiki.
02:14:26	wahat	internal specs i mean
02:14:33	wahat	ahh..okay...on rockbox site?
02:14:34	HCl	yes. wiki.
02:14:35	HCl	yup.
02:14:51	wahat	awesome...got some reading to do...latas & thx..
02:14:59	HCl	its all a bit try-by-guess. but by now we all got it right
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02:17:12	muz	i still dont get how to make it scan faster
02:17:23	XShocK	oops. HCl: look at daily builds. :)
02:17:27	muz	is it with this scan accel (0 - 15) [double scan speed every X seconds]?
02:17:28	HCl	:P
02:17:30	HCl	yaparri
02:17:32	HCl	i mean
02:17:34	HCl	yappari
02:17:57	HCl	i was assuming the rbsound.c
02:18:01	HCl	since it will only work on iriver
02:18:05	HCl	let me fix that
02:18:12	muz	can anyone help....
02:19:00	muz	oh by the way the tag database is good for artists, but for albums it doesnt group together the same album names
02:19:37	muz	like you would get one album name for each track, it wont group the same album name together if u kno wat i mean
02:21:59	*	HCl listens to a pretty good zelda tune
02:22:28	*	muz is upset cos no one listens to me
02:22:50	HCl	sorry.
02:22:54	HCl	gotta fix the daily builds
02:22:55	HCl	then i'll listen
02:23:11	muz	actually i shudnt be disturbin u
02:23:23	muz	u devs hav such precious time and im wastin it
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02:29:11	HCl	ok
02:29:13	HCl	should be fixed
02:29:26	HCl	i don't know anything about the tag database, and you lef.t
02:29:29	HCl	lefttt
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02:33:07	*	muz is listening to sound from mario land on iriver
02:33:24	muz	its a bit scrambled
02:33:37	XShocK	mmmm... last lines 1200 and further in debug_menu.c. is it right?
02:34:20	XShocK	mmmmm...
02:34:56	XShocK	shit.. those chnages were not done by me. they should be changed back.
02:35:33	muz	i think rockboy is running faster after using that bleeding edge build
02:36:59	HCl	ohyea.
02:37:06	HCl	i was working on a grayscale version
02:37:17	HCl	XShocK: hmm?
02:37:32	HCl	XShocK: the version i committed worked fine for me, at least
02:37:39	XShocK	sorry. it is my fault that i missed those changes in debug_menu.c.. all changes after line 1250
02:38:21	HCl	what needs to be change?
02:38:23	HCl	changed
02:38:40	HCl	i'm about to go to sleep
02:38:46	HCl	but if you can make it quick, i can commit it before going
02:38:52	muz	me 2
02:39:07	XShocK	ok. i will
02:39:26	HCl	ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/grayrockbox.zip
02:39:32	HCl	should have grayscale+sound version
02:39:36	muz	ooo yay
02:39:37	HCl	gonna try it on my ihp140 now
02:39:42	muz	me 2 ill try it too
02:41:22	XShocK	HCl: how do i change the direction of the patch?
02:41:30	XShocK	make it the other way around
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02:41:57	HCl	XShocK: um, don't know, but it doesn't matter
02:42:02	HCl	the patch program has a reversed patch option
02:42:07	HCl	so i can just run it with that
02:42:13	HCl	you made a good patch last time though
02:42:19	HCl	grayscale with sound works fine
02:43:06	XShocK	ftp://raurin.no-ip.com/latest.patch
02:43:14	XShocK	but patch it reverse
02:43:55	HCl	ok
02:44:01	HCl	is it against current cvs
02:44:02	HCl	?
02:44:44	XShocK	yes
02:44:55	HCl	ok
02:44:59	HCl	i'm a bit confused why this is needed
02:45:03	HCl	could you explain before i commit?
02:45:04	muz	HCl: the greyscale rockbox runs slowly
02:45:14	HCl	why is the charger affected?
02:45:16	XShocK	ok. look at latest changes in debug_menu.c
02:45:18	HCl	muz: works fine here
02:45:43	muz	as in if i hold down down, then it still goes after i stop holding down down
02:46:00	muz	but rockboy in greyscale looks soooo sweet nice one
02:46:42	HCl	ahh.
02:46:43	HCl	ok
02:46:43	XShocK	it was affected because i compared the latest possible cvs version with files that were leched from cvs several day ago. so in those several days the debug_menu.c was changed to a new one, and now my last patch made the backwards change
02:46:50	HCl	yea
02:46:59	muz	OMG i can view jpgs now
02:47:14	HCl	fixed
02:47:24	muz	fixed wat?
02:47:36	XShocK	sorry, next time i will try to be better doing it. :)
02:47:37	HCl	the bug in debug_menu
02:47:39	HCl	its fine :)
02:48:04	muz	ok slight bug, if i view a jpg then go back everything is really pale
02:48:06	HCl	i don't understand why gray rockboy would be slower muz
02:48:13	HCl	works fine here
02:48:22	muz	grey rockbox
02:48:22	HCl	though technically, it would be a bit slower
02:48:29	HCl	wow. its almost going at full speed with sound
02:48:33	HCl	while i have screen updates enabled
02:48:59	muz	rockboy is quicker, its just generally browsing in rockbox thats slower
02:49:04	HCl	ah.
02:49:05	HCl	yea
02:49:18	HCl	thought you meant rockboy
02:50:25	HCl	i must say
02:50:28	HCl	i like rockboy a lot.
02:50:40	HCl	see what you get when you joke about gameboy emulators on mp3 players? :P
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02:52:52	XShocK	:)
02:53:38	muz	hey mandelbrot works now
02:54:22	muz	but greyscale plugin doesnt which is odd
02:56:41	*	HCl commits an simulator patch.
02:56:42	HCl	okay
02:56:45	HCl	it should be all green now
02:56:48	HCl	and i need sleep
02:56:49	HCl	badly
02:56:52	muz	um hc1
02:56:57	muz	can i ask u somthin
02:57:01	*	HCl goes to make chocolate milk before going to sleep, sounds sensible
02:57:02	HCl	sure
02:57:02	DBUG	Enqueued KICK HCl
02:57:02	HCl	o.o
02:57:17	muz	with the greyscale patch, try the chicago 12 font, load up a jpg then go back to browsing
02:57:21	muz	everything shud be paler
02:57:29	HCl	greyscale patch is beta and unfinished.
02:57:33	HCl	thats why its not in the cvs yet.
02:57:39	HCl	its experimental
02:57:41	muz	ok
02:57:46	muz	theres a bug for ya
02:57:56	HCl	well, yea. i don't work on grayscale, markun does..
02:57:58	muz	but jpgs work!!!! thats soo cool
02:58:00	HCl	hehe :p
02:58:04	HCl	should work even better
02:58:09	HCl	once amiconn ports the grayscale lib
02:58:11	HCl	to iriver
02:58:11	HCl	ok
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02:58:15	*	HCl goes to make chocolate milk
02:58:25	muz	awesome
02:58:34	muesli-	mandelbrot just caused a hang up
02:58:38	muz	anyway im gonna go play
02:58:47	muesli-	is there a key to exit this app?
02:58:54	muz	ok ill stay away from mandelbrot then
02:59:34	muesli-	just use the reset button ;)
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03:00:18	jpburton5150	HCl: is there a working version of rockboy on your site with both grayscale and sound?
03:02:47	HCl	yes, check the wiki
03:06:42	jpburton5150	oh alright, sorry, ill check again
03:07:03	jpburton5150	dur yeah its right there...
03:07:17	HCl	its ok, i only just added that
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03:08:16	*	HCl goes to sleep
03:08:29	muesli-	good n8 hcl
03:08:50	XShocK	good night
03:09:59	DJ_Dooms_Day	does n8 mean night?
03:10:05	DJ_Dooms_Day	coz it doesn't quite work
03:11:01	muesli-	why does it not work?
03:11:17	DJ_Dooms_Day	n-eight
03:11:28	muesli-	whats the problem?
03:11:30	XShocK	HCl: those daily builds. will it be fixed?
03:11:48	muesli-	ah, youre an oz
03:11:58	DJ_Dooms_Day	I dunno what accent you say night in but here in aussie its n-i-t
03:12:01	muesli-	XShocK i definitely he got to bed
03:12:06	HCl	XShocK: they should turn up all green.
03:12:24	HCl	or yellow.
03:12:42	XShocK	ok. since it is red on 00:53 build
03:12:52	HCl	yea, its rebuilding
03:13:27	*	HCl really goes to sleep now, might linger till everythings green, then will probably be away for a week due to studying.
03:15:15	XShocK	ok. it should be green
03:15:31	XShocK	ok. see you after week
03:16:13	muesli-	XShocK does your sound working fine?
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03:16:46	XShocK	no, because rockboy is not running at full speed yet
03:17:01	XShocK	it is very choppy.
03:17:10	muesli-	ah ok..just thought my ihp is running out of the norm..
03:17:15	XShocK	it is running good when no screen updates are done
03:19:01	jpburton5150	you know whatd be awesome?
03:19:11	jpburton5150	if iriver started producing ihp-1xxs again
03:19:19	muesli-	interesting..while youre running rboy it wont recognized as an usb-drive
03:19:30	ashridah	jpburton5150: why would they do that? it'd only impact on the sales of their newer, more expensive components
03:19:43	muesli-	yepp
03:19:44	jpburton5150	yeah
03:19:46	ashridah	muesli-: that's because the usb-
03:19:50	jpburton5150	i didnt say it was practical :P
03:19:50	ashridah	hard drive doesn't get enabled
03:21:09	muesli-	oki
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03:27:58	jpburton5150	wow the sound is awesome...
03:28:14	jpburton5150	props hcl and xchock...
03:28:58	muesli-	yepp, heroes ;)
03:30:36	XShocK	thanks. :)
03:39:56	ashridah	wait. am i missing something? it doesn't seem to work that well here. how does one attain the 'boost' mentioned in the changelogs?
03:40:20	XShocK	ashridah: what does not seem to work well?
03:43:44	ashridah	audio
03:45:19	XShocK	it should be choppy
03:45:49	XShocK	because rockboy does not work in full speed. audio is good when no screen updates are done
03:51:12	ashridah	ah. i thought the changelogs were implying that there was a 'boost' mode that solved that. nevermind.
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04:12:07	muesli-	good n8 ladiez
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04:21:00	XShocK	good night all
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04:49:31	RaZorbacK	hi people
04:49:52	RaZorbacK	is there guys who could help me about building voice files?
04:51:00	RaZorbacK	everything works but i have no big clues about setting lines in the InitReplaceLists in the vbs file
04:51:25	RaZorbacK	no examples to help :)
04:52:26	RaZorbacK	outch, everyone seems to be sleeping :)
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08:20:30	hile	uugh, good branding from rockbox, I was going to check from iriver what's new with the 1.65EU firmware -> going to www.rockbox.com instead of www.rockbox.org ;)
08:20:44	hile	maybe some day....
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08:41:39	*	hile listens 1st time rockbox play sample.wav, just as proof of concept
08:42:08	hile	I put living colour's version of should I stay or should I go there ... mm seems there is a time limit, whatever
08:43:27	hile	btw anyone looked at the spdif connectors? rockbox does not initialize it after boot -> the output is always on
08:43:33	hile	pro'lly doesn't matter but...
08:47:52	bobdbob	hile: have you ever done profiling of rocks to improve performance?
08:47:58	hile	nope
08:48:11	hile	completely newbie with rockbox
08:48:14	bobdbob	ok
08:48:31	hile	hmm I crashed rockbox -> after reset there is funny noise coming from headphones, seems something gets initialized differently after soft reset
08:48:47	hile	I'm not expecting the software to do anything real yet with sound...
08:49:26	hile	just a note that maybe we should go through the hardware and think about sane defaults to initialize when booting, for each piece of stuff
08:49:51	hile	but maybe later, i think that's quite boring think to do
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09:40:52	ashridah	hile: the sample .wav playback doesn't have any buffer maintenance, it just loads a chunk from the file and plays it.
09:41:29	ashridah	it was mostly built to test proper streaming to the audio hardware itself.
09:42:02	hile	yeah, I noticed
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12:10:58	muz	can anyone tell me how to get rocbox's pointer to move faster when browsing
12:19:37	muz	anyone?
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13:42:44	dan	how can i get rockbox to scroll downwards faster?
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13:50:18	ashridah	i didn't think it supported changing the scrolling speed.
13:50:28	ashridah	you could probably modify the source code, but i have no idea where myself
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13:51:30	ashridah	ah, wait, there is
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13:55:00	t0mas	hi
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19:08:22	Mong0	bummer anyone seen ripnet in here?
19:14:09	HCl	hmmm.
19:14:14	HCl	new earthquake in indonesia
19:14:18	HCl	an hour ago..
19:14:26	HCl	http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsww/Maps/region/Australia.html
19:14:28	HCl	8.2
19:14:36	HCl	right at the coast
19:14:48	t0mas	damn...
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19:20:22	t0mas	hm... intresting story on CNN
19:23:19	HCl	ew. cnn.
19:23:23	HCl	what does cnn say?
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19:25:47	HCl	piece of junk :/
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19:32:30	t0mas	HCl: you can read dutch... see http://www.srozekrans.nl/nieuwskracht/buitenland/indonesie-opnieuw-getroffen-door-aardbeving/
19:33:24	t0mas	or this one: http://www.srozekrans.nl/nieuwskracht/
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19:36:07	HCl	bit short.
19:36:08	HCl	but ok.
19:36:10	HCl	can't we like
19:36:13	HCl	call indonesia
19:36:17	HCl	and tell everybody to wake the fuck up
19:36:18	HCl	and get out
19:36:19	HCl	? :x
19:36:29	t0mas	well... they are evacuating... afaik
19:36:36	HCl	mmm..
19:36:39	HCl	i dunno
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19:40:26	webmind	HCl, already happening.. see bbc
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20:11:27	t0mas	damn
20:11:42	t0mas	they expect the tsunami to hit the shores at 16:09 Hrs on 3/29/2005 GMT
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20:48:52	HCl	t0mas: where'd you hear that?
20:49:19	*	HCl remembers last december..
20:52:13	HCl	they just said there will be no tsunami
20:52:19	HCl	i say nobody knows o.o
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21:08:56	HCl	hey..
21:09:04	*	HCl wonders wtf he's watching on tv.
21:12:44	Tomas\|laptop	check sbs6
21:12:47	Tomas\|laptop	ocean's 11
21:16:59	HCl	oh.
21:16:59	HCl	that.
21:17:03	HCl	i've seen that 4 times
21:17:07	HCl	i burned the dvd of it a while ago
21:17:11	HCl	better quality, no commercials >.o
21:17:16	HCl	i never watch movies on tv.
21:17:20	HCl	unless they're not on our net
21:17:26	HCl	but they almost always are
21:18:18	Tomas\|laptop	ghehe
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21:21:08	HCl	ew.
21:21:11	HCl	dutch subtitling
21:21:18	*	HCl goes to try and find his oceans eleven dvd
21:21:26	HCl	no wait. i already saw i.t
21:21:41	*	HCl almost knows the movie by head :/
21:22:19	HCl	parts of the subtitling are missing too! geeze, crappy sbs6 :/
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21:47:04	Tomas\|laptop	hmz
21:47:11	Tomas\|laptop	how to debug rockbox things?
21:47:34	Tomas\|laptop	is there a debug(""); function?
21:47:43	HCl	you can use splash
21:47:47	HCl	in combination with an snprintf
21:48:39	Tomas\|laptop	hm... no other way?
21:52:28	HCl	i dunno.
21:52:30	HCl	i just did it like that
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21:52:46	Tomas\|laptop	hi amiconn
21:52:51	amiconn	hi
21:54:02	lImbus	n'abend jens :-)
21:54:15	amiconn	Tomas\|laptop: There are some ways to debug
21:54:20	HCl	lol.
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21:54:44	Tomas\|laptop	ghehe
21:54:45	HCl	isn't it much easier to just be on irc? :P
21:54:54	Tomas\|laptop	it's easy in a silent channel like this
21:54:59	amiconn	(1) On the simulator, you can use DEBUGF(), which will print to the console window.
21:55:07	amiconn	You can also use gdb with the sim
21:55:32	amiconn	(2) On the archos target (except Ondio), you can use gdb via a serial link
21:55:53	amiconn	HCl: I just read up the log
21:56:00	HCl	ah
21:56:13	HCl	you responded so quickly that it seemed as if you were reading it constantly :P
21:56:23	Tomas\|laptop	amiconn: tnx
21:56:41	Tomas\|laptop	debugf() is usefull :)
21:56:50	amiconn	Unfortunately, the gdb stub for iriver is still to be written
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22:19:21	Bagder	good evening
22:21:16	amiconn	Welcome back :)
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22:37:18	Tomas\|laptop	hmz...
22:37:30	*	Tomas\|laptop still has a resource eating video player :P
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22:41:32	[IDC]Dragon	hi guys
22:41:59	lImbus	hoy
22:43:54	[IDC]Dragon	Bagder, I stumbled about a russian font problem, in the forum
22:44:44	Bagder	I've seen people discuss that too
22:44:52	[IDC]Dragon	win_crox0c.fnt doesn't display correct, but strangely also on the font page
22:44:52	amiconn	hi J�rg
22:45:01	[IDC]Dragon	hi Jens :-)
22:45:37	[IDC]Dragon	only the bdf file and bdf2bmp involved there, right?
22:45:48	Bagder	yes
22:46:00	[IDC]Dragon	neither of which have changed in cvs ever
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22:46:30	Tomas\|laptop	Bagder?
22:46:32	Tomas\|laptop	/home/tomas/dev/rockbox.18.03.2005/build/wps-display.o(.text+0x6ac): In function `get_tag':
22:46:32	Tomas\|laptop	/home/tomas/dev/rockbox.18.03.2005/apps/wps-display.c:344: undefined reference to `read_bmp_file'
22:46:32	Tomas\|laptop	collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
22:46:43	Tomas\|laptop	I have included "bmp.h"
22:46:59	Tomas\|laptop	but I guess I'll have to link to something before I can use read_bmp_file() ?
22:47:07	Bagder	sorry, but I'm quite busy elsewhere atm
22:47:33	Tomas\|laptop	maybe amiconn?
22:48:52	amiconn	Tomas\|laptop: The actual bmp code is disabled in bmp.c iirc (#if 0 ... #endif)
22:49:01	Tomas\|laptop	oooooh
22:49:05	amiconn	...and it needs rewriting before use
22:49:16	Tomas\|laptop	yeah, I'll do that after this works ;)
22:49:41	Tomas\|laptop	(and maybe you should add a comment to the header?)
22:50:04	amiconn	The bmp code still uses the old rockbox bitmap format (before [IDC]Dragon introduced the video plugin, rockbox used another bitmap format that was not identical to the internal lcd format)
22:50:32	Tomas\|laptop	hm...
22:50:43	amiconn	The bmp code is waaay old; when I started to rockbox it was already disabled for some time
22:51:07	[IDC]Dragon	amiconn, the bmp code uses the bdf file for input
22:51:22	amiconn	??
22:51:31	Bagder	you're talking about different bmp stuff ;-)
22:51:39	[IDC]Dragon	it's called bdf2bmp
22:51:41	amiconn	Iiuc Tomas\|laptop is talking about apps/bmp.c
22:52:16	[IDC]Dragon	we're talking about fonts
22:52:40	Tomas\|laptop	yes
22:53:05	[IDC]Dragon	sorry
22:53:29	Tomas\|laptop	amiconn: there is a tool... bmp2rb isn't that possible to do on the fly?
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22:58:02	[IDC]Dragon2	Bagder, see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=530.0
22:59:27	Bagder	yes?
22:59:41	Bagder	it has been mentioned before as well
22:59:45	Bagder	iirc
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23:02:44	Tomas\|laptop	amiconn: The function in bmp.c is not really differing much of the one Linus wrote in bmp2rb.c
23:04:55	Tomas\|laptop	I'll look at it tomorrow
23:05:00	Tomas\|laptop	going to sleep now :)
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23:08:37	lImbus	lol
23:08:49	[IDC]Dragon	this is not funny
23:09:02	lImbus	not for you, indeed
23:09:46	[IDC]Dragon	i'm on the PC now, again
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23:10:24	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: There must be a reason why I prefer wired lan ...
23:11:00	[IDC]Dragon	what I was about to say: Bagder, it seems we have lost a font file, duplicated another
23:11:38	Bagder	sounds strange
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23:12:44	Bagder	I still don't understand the problem completely
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23:13:30	[IDC]Dragon	"win_crox0c.fnt" and "alt6x10.fnt" look alike
23:13:43	Shebb	Hi, this is my first time here though I have been stalking the forums for a while.
23:14:01	[IDC]Dragon	the bdf files are different, but not too much
23:14:48	Shebb	I have tried to compile Rockbox for the iRiver using cygwin but I cannot get the required crosscompilers it seems
23:15:12	Shebb	There seems to be problems with the http://lassauge.free.fr site
23:16:30	amiconn	Shebb: Iiuc the pre-built compiler on that site isn't usable for iriver, because the binutils are too lod
23:16:33	amiconn	*old
23:17:23	Shebb	yeah, I tried recompiling them but I could not find the source for the new gcc build
23:17:36	amiconn	There are 2 options: (1) fetch BlueChip's devkit, that should contain a pre-built crosscompiler for coldfire (2) build the compiler yourself
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23:19:19	Bagder	Shebb: you can use the CrossCompiler intruction on the web site
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23:26:10	Rick	Bluechip's devkit is a nice option if you can get rid of all the junk
23:26:11	Rick	;p
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23:27:02	[IDC]Dragon	the phony part?
23:27:27	Rick	phony?
23:27:46	Rick	I am referring to the branding and crappy coloring stuff
23:28:01	[IDC]Dragon	yes
23:28:19	Rick	I stripped all that junk out
23:28:24	Rick	;p
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23:33:15	t0mas	lol
23:33:31	t0mas	Rick: it's usable when you change some batch files ;)
23:33:47	Rick	t0mas: yes, I did that ;P
23:34:01	Shebb	There we go, thanks for the help. started the build now
23:34:34	t0mas	hmz...
23:34:47	t0mas	GRRR
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23:35:03	*	t0mas fetches his IRT(tm)
23:37:24	*	t0mas should start selling them :P
23:37:32	t0mas	See the picture: http://www.curlyprose.co.uk/images/Paperclip.JPG
23:37:50	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: The first 2 GB MMCs are now available...
23:38:20	[IDC]Dragon	I've seen you talking about it
23:38:24	[IDC]Dragon	where?
23:38:37	[IDC]Dragon	(not that I'm gonna upgrade)
23:40:14	[IDC]Dragon	Bagder: "win_crox0c.fnt" and "alt6x10.fnt" indeed produce the same bmp
23:40:48	amiconn	There are 3 web shops where I found them: http://www.mobiltec24.de/indexs.php (Speichermedien->Flashcards->Multi Media Cards)
23:40:49	amiconn	http://www2.alternate.de/html/shop/productListing4C.html?group=manufacturerName&cat1=81&cat2=133&cat3=999&cat1=81&cat2=253&cat3=999&&treeName=HARDWARE&Level1=Speichermedien&Level2=MultiMedia+Card&
23:40:57	amiconn	and http://217.173.130.240/product_info.php?products_id=401
23:41:07	amiconn	One is also on ebay
23:41:54	Bagder	[IDC]Dragon: so what are you suggesting?
23:42:34	[IDC]Dragon	is there an old backup, perhaps?
23:42:39	Bagder	of what?
23:42:56	[IDC]Dragon	but a strange case, the bdf files are not the same
23:43:18	[IDC]Dragon	of "win_crox0c.bdf"
23:44:03	Bagder	I doubt we have one old enough to matter
23:44:15	Bagder	since the problem is very old, isn't it?
23:44:31	[IDC]Dragon	somewhere >2.2
23:44:40	[IDC]Dragon	they say
23:45:02	Bagder	and they know the BDF is wrong?
23:45:12	Bagder	if so, why can't they juts fix it?
23:45:41	[IDC]Dragon	the bdf isn't part of the distribution
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23:45:56	Bagder	no, but they're in CVS
23:45:59	MoosCamaro	Hey all
23:46:12	[IDC]Dragon	yes, and never changed
23:46:25	Bagder	no, but they were added to cvs rather recently
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23:48:42	[IDC]Dragon	my cvs client displays no proper date in the history
23:49:16	amiconn	http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/fonts/
23:49:25	[IDC]Dragon	good idea
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23:50:20	[IDC]Dragon	hehe, "recently" was 10 month ago
23:50:50	Bagder	yes
23:50:57	Bagder	when I added 'make zip'
23:51:18	Bagder	we had the BDFs around for years before that
23:52:18	[IDC]Dragon	ok, so the procedure was different for 2.2 ?
23:52:37	[IDC]Dragon	(the font has no v2.2 label)
23:53:24	Bagder	it wasn't different, no
23:53:32	Bagder	but we didn't have the fonts in the cvs then
23:54:25	t0mas	another one... when you checkout rockbox... the font's are not checked out with it...
23:54:35	t0mas	(not related to your discussion)
23:54:46	[IDC]Dragon	they say this font was correct in v2.2
23:54:48	t0mas	wich causes the 'make zip' to fail...
23:55:02	[IDC]Dragon	(sorry for going in circles)
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23:55:06	t0mas	maybe someone can add fonts to the rockbox checkout script?
23:55:17	Shebb	In the codec makefile, what is the 'dumb' entry for?
23:55:34	t0mas	isn't it a codec?
23:55:56	Bagder	[IDC]Dragon: yes, and we don't have fonts in CVS that old and thus we can't get the BDF from then back so then we need someone to fix the bdf
23:56:31	Bagder	afaiu
23:56:33	[IDC]Dragon	sorry, kind of a pity
23:56:47	Bagder	I agree
23:56:50	Shebb	Since there is no folder for it and I get an error upon build because of it, I should think not
23:57:04	Bagder	Shebb: building from tarball or CVS?
23:57:37	Shebb	from the tarball
23:57:44	t0mas	try CVS
23:57:49	Bagder	yeah, dumb is missing from the tarball
23:57:50	t0mas	I juist built mine...
23:57:52	[IDC]Dragon	didn't we have the bdf files separately some day? no remains of it?
23:58:02	Shebb	I have the cvs in my failed cygwin attempt
23:58:11	Bagder	[IDC]Dragon: yes, but they are the ones I imported to CVS
23:58:14	t0mas	hm..
23:58:23	[IDC]Dragon	where did that font come from? any original source accessible perhaps?
23:58:25	Shebb	Pretty recent cvs as well so I could try that...
23:58:43	Bagder	[IDC]Dragon: I don't know where it came from, we got most of the fonts mailed to us from various random people

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