#rockbox 2005-04-23

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#rockbox log for 2005-04-23

00:03:12	*	t0mas is going to bed :)
00:03:13	t0mas	night
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00:03:34	*	amiconn is going to commit the fat.c fixes
00:05:50	MoosCamaro	hey
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00:17:47	MoosCamaro	:)
00:18:22	ehntoo	what are you doing in here
00:18:28	Leperkawn	Hola senor
00:18:35	Leperkawn	This is a very random meeting.
00:18:47	ehntoo	my channel! I was here first!
00:18:51	*	ehntoo kicks Leperkawn
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00:18:57	Leperkawn	Laff.
00:19:10	Leperkawn	Your op status doesnt help you here1
00:19:13	Leperkawn	1 = !
00:19:16	ehntoo	heh
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00:20:49	thegeek	did anyone manage to compile rockbox with gcc 4.0 ?
00:21:10	rasher	HCl did for iRiver.. doesn't run though
00:21:42	Bagder	see the wiki
00:21:44	thegeek	k
00:21:46	thegeek	;)
00:21:46	thegeek	ah
00:21:49	thegeek	the great wiki
00:21:57	thegeek	did not think anyone would bother adding it there;)
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00:22:09	Bagder	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
00:22:16	*	ehntoo bows down to the greater powers that be residing in the wiki
00:22:19	thegeek	;)
00:32:54	preglow	there are problems with my code for gcc4 as well
00:32:59	preglow	hcl didn't compile that
00:33:04	preglow	and i'm not about to fix it now
00:33:27	rasher	real problems?
00:33:35	rasher	haha, RoboCop!
00:33:53	preglow	no, just seems that gcc4 is a lot more fond of letting go of the registers i want
00:34:01	preglow	lot LESS fond
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00:41:08	amiconn	cvs compile is lagging....
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00:44:38	micoo	is Vladimir Pantelic in here?
00:47:38	rasher	cd
00:50:08	micoo	?
00:50:17	rasher	wrong window :)
00:50:22	micoo	lol
00:50:23	micoo	:p
00:54:17	ehntoo	heh
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01:08:52	MoosCamaro	good night all
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01:47:10	KingFrog	hello
01:47:29	rasher	'lo
01:47:47	KingFrog	any rockboxer here ?
01:48:11	rasher	depends on your definition of rockboxer I guess
01:48:53	KingFrog	uhmmm... 'someone who knows stuff well enough' (?)
01:48:53	thegeek	I rockbox, therefore I am
01:48:58	odd	i've been punching stones for days... 9 of my 10 fingers are broken in multiple places
01:49:53	KingFrog	anyway, i was just wondering, is there a way to replace the graphics in a f/w? (i.e. the icons and stuff)
01:50:21	rasher	the rockbox graphics?
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01:51:08	KingFrog	nope, the original ones
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01:52:40	rasher	not really a rockbox question then :) .. try looking n the forums on misticriver.net
01:53:24	KingFrog	I was prefering to archos players, not iRiver...
01:53:31	KingFrog	(refering)
01:53:31	rasher	aha!
01:53:34	rasher	sorry :)
01:54:13	KingFrog	(damn, my english is getting bad...)
01:54:49	KingFrog	so, no hope?
01:54:58	rasher	no idea, sorry
01:55:14	KingFrog	basa.
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02:02:52	biptoria	owt worth testing today my little loverleys ?
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06:17:36	stevenm	Hello people. What's all the business w/ GCC4 ?
06:18:00	stevenm	Do I need to update my devkit? Etc?
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06:31:30	ashridah	stevenm: only if you like fixing bugs brought on by a new compiler
06:36:29	stevenm	ashridah, nah, no thanks :)
06:36:42	stevenm	So we're staying with 3 for the time being ?
06:42:37	ashridah	it would appear as much. SH-based stuff doesn't compile in 4 yet, and coldfire stuff compiles, but crashes immediately on boot or something.
06:43:09	ashridah	i'd be inclined to wait for the platform to stabilise and lesser architectures to get a good prodding before switching to gcc 4 myself.
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10:50:24	*	HCl yawns.
10:50:46	*	HCl guesses he'll go and start on implementing the new database layout
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10:55:52	t0mas	morning
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11:05:32	*	t0mas is away: breakfast
11:09:07	HCl	merf.
11:09:09	HCl	hello
11:10:03	rasher	blort
11:15:19	*	HCl wonders why the vars of the header of the tagdb are all global variables instead of properties of a struct, shivers, and changes :x
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11:28:01	Tang_	"<KingFrog> anyway, i was just wondering, is there a way to replace the graphics in a f/w? (i.e. the icons and stuff)"
11:28:49	Tang_	the short answer is yes even in amodified with Rbx booloader HEX...
11:28:56	rasher	No :)
11:29:02	rasher	He meant in the Archos firmware
11:29:06	Tang_	ah
11:29:09	Tang_	sorry
11:29:13	Tang_	hi rasher
11:29:19	Tang_	mistake sorry
11:29:19	rasher	made the same mistake myself :)
11:29:52	Tang_	:)
11:31:05	Tang_	rasher
11:31:30	Tang_	is there so many Rokbox potential contributors using windows?*
11:32:06	rasher	no idea
11:32:18	Tang_	okay
11:32:40	Tang_	the crosscompiler is maybe motivated by something else?
11:36:20	HCl	is cvs dead...?
11:36:39	HCl	hm
11:36:41	HCl	no. its me.
11:36:42	HCl	hm.
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11:47:10	t0mas	<Tang_> is there so many Rokbox potential contributors using windows?* <−− what do you mean?
11:47:24	Tang_	hi t0mas
11:47:25	t0mas	you want to know if it's possible to dev for rockbox on windows?
11:47:27	t0mas	hi
11:47:31	Tang_	in fact i wonder if
11:47:38	t0mas	it is :)
11:47:58	Tang_	the crosscompiler is motivated by a "concrete" statement
11:48:13	t0mas	I did a big part of the bmp thing on windows... as my laptop was on the office...
11:49:01	Tang_	as if several windows coders werent able to contribute since they were using windows OS
11:49:42	t0mas	you need cygwin or the rockbox Devkit
11:49:50	t0mas	or access to a linux box for compiling...
11:50:21	Tang_	no that wasn't what i meant
11:50:33	Tang_	anyway not a problem
11:50:38	t0mas	ah... then I don't understand the question :)
11:50:44	t0mas	I just used this for devving on windows: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems/Rockbox
11:50:46	Tang_	was just my curiousness
11:51:02	t0mas	the Devkit there :)
11:51:48	Tang_	okay
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12:16:38	HCl	yay.
12:16:46	HCl	so far my database adaptions are going okish
12:16:53	HCl	Max genre length : 12 (Eurodance)
12:16:55	HCl	:)
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12:17:46	MoosCamaro	hi all
12:18:06	MoosCamaro	hi Tang
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12:25:48	HCl	ohh.
12:26:17	*	HCl just thought of a fairly good way to keep it possible to make the songdb without needing the old songdb..
12:27:07	HCl	we can store the hash of the file in both the tagdb and the rundb, and just make all rundb offsets -1 (invalid)
12:27:13	HCl	when you update the db
12:27:33	HCl	and then you can synchronize on the player by comparing hashes. (between the two databases)
12:27:53	HCl	we'd still need a version capable of doing it off-target though :3
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14:13:11	HCl	hmmm...
14:13:46	ehntoo	hmmmm?
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14:22:33	MoosCamaro	HCL: hey your works progress fine
14:27:11	HCl	mm?
14:27:15	HCl	which?
14:27:29	*	HCl is working on the database v2
14:27:37	HCl	i think i got the songdb.pl updated to the new format now
14:27:48	HCl	aside from not making filehashes yet
14:35:36	HCl	i dunno who called song.pl the perl script of death, but its not that bad o.o.
14:35:58	rasher	the way it builds the database is fairly convoluted I'd say
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14:40:47	*	HCl searches his dictionary for the word convoluted o.o.
14:41:16	HCl	i guess o.o.
14:59:14	*	HCl thinks he got the new songdb.pl to work :)
14:59:18	*	HCl eats lunch
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15:13:00	HCl	hey shag
15:14:15	Shagnar	hello :)
15:16:26	HCl	sup?
15:18:52	Shagnar	sup? ?
15:19:02	HCl	short for "whats up?"
15:19:04	HCl	:p
15:19:07	Sucka	soup
15:19:07	Sucka	!
15:19:13	HCl	yay soup
15:19:15	HCl	eats
15:19:26	HCl	anyways o.o.
15:22:33	*	Shagnar ate soupe few minutes ago ;-)
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15:32:08	HCl	hmmm
15:32:14	*	HCl has never tried the tagdb before
15:33:46	*	HCl twitches.
15:33:52	HCl	"System Volume Information" !?!
15:33:59	HCl	okay, i need to make sure to delete that one o.o.
15:35:47	rasher	I hate that
15:36:05	HCl	yea.
15:36:08	Shagnar	it's a windows-folder, but for what?
15:36:14	rasher	any way to turn it off?
15:36:15	HCl	i saw restore points in it, i think.
15:36:22	rasher	yeah, it does
15:36:29	HCl	it doesn't even show on my drive in windows >.<
15:36:37	HCl	i need to find out how to make it visible
15:36:37	rasher	It hides them
15:36:43	HCl	i already have show system files
15:36:56	HCl	ah.
15:37:00	HCl	hide protected operating system files.
15:37:04	HCl	no bad windows.
15:37:16	Shagnar	HCl perhaps try it over cmd
15:37:27	HCl	maybe
15:37:38	HCl	trying to disable hiding of operating system files throughout my laptop now
15:37:50	HCl	yup
15:37:53	HCl	now its showing.
15:38:42	HCl	heh o.o..
15:38:53	HCl	Max songs per album: 712 (<no album tag>___/verrukkelijke715)
15:39:02	HCl	thats gonna be painful..
15:39:10	HCl	1345 * 712*4
15:39:12	HCl	for every album.
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15:39:24	HCl	um. o.o.;
15:39:34	HCl	i gotta be wrong about that.
15:39:49	*	HCl nods, is.
15:39:55	HCl	for all my albums*
15:39:58	HCl	not every o.o
15:40:09	HCl	3.8mb of my tagdb is dedicated to album info, heh ;x
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15:59:00	*	HCl ish dumb.
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16:18:44	HCl	thanks.
16:18:49	*	HCl eats it.
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16:57:20	HCl	hrm.
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17:11:48	HCl	hmm
17:11:50	HCl	hey preglow.
17:11:59	*	HCl 's songdb is broken with the album generation..
17:12:50	preglow	haha
17:13:49	HCl	hmm
17:13:49	HCl	?
17:13:53	HCl	whats funny? o.o.
17:14:12	preglow	broken things are funny
17:14:19	HCl	want to fix it for me then? :P
17:14:52	preglow	haha, i said 'funny', not 'my area of experitise'
17:15:12	preglow	what are you using for db building thus far
17:15:13	preglow	the perl thing?
17:15:17	HCl	yea.
17:15:30	botaxxs	ehm
17:15:33	botaxxs	alo
17:15:42	rasher	evening
17:15:50	HCl	i'm not sure how, but the reference to albums from songs broke
17:16:32	preglow	but no, i'm sorry, i'm a bit hard to motivate when i know i'll almost certainly never use the thing in question
17:16:47	HCl	then don't make fun of it either, please.
17:16:47	HCl	heh.
17:17:56	preglow	i didn't MAKE fun of it :P
17:18:25	preglow	but no, no rockbox for me today anyway
17:20:51	HCl	O.o.
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17:22:01	HCl	geez.
17:22:06	HCl	i found a bug in the current songdb.pl
17:22:06	HCl	xD
17:22:14	HCl	it wasn't even my fault
17:22:17	HCl	it was already there.
17:22:17	HCl	heh.
17:22:23	*	HCl goes to commit fix.
17:26:39	HCl	its still broken o.o.
17:26:45	HCl	Album-> artist links are dead too.
17:27:09	HCl	someone was really sloppy with the backwards links..
17:27:24	HCl	though we don't use them on rockbox, they need to be correct
17:27:48	rasher	I may have broken it recently
17:28:05	rasher	when trying to add support for albums with different artists
17:28:38	rasher	if that's not possible with the current suggestion, I'll cry :'(
17:29:26	HCl	albums with different artists?
17:29:47	HCl	well, this code here is definately wrong.. the one that maps albums to artists...
17:29:48	rasher	multi-artist albums
17:29:56	MoosCamaro	compilations for example
17:30:06	rasher	exactly
17:30:12	HCl	my $aoffset = $artistcount{$moo[0]} * $artistentrysize;
17:30:26	HCl	$moo[0] is the album name...
17:30:34	rasher	I'd be annoyed if I got 30 instances of "Matrix Reloaded Soundtrack"
17:31:00	HCl	when $artistcount takes an artist name as argument
17:31:08	HCl	and nah, it'll be possible.
17:31:08	HCl	maybe we should just get the album->artist link out?
17:31:11	HCl	its not really needed anyways.
17:33:03	rasher	haven't touched that iircah, so it was nmy fault :)
17:33:03	HCl	hehe, ok.
17:33:03	HCl	anyways. someone tried to lookup an artistname, but fed it the album name, that simply does not work :P
17:33:03	HCl	geeze, i'm glad i wrote a db tester :P
17:33:03	HCl	lots of bugs in the current one
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17:33:03	rashums	HCl: the first "fix" is not needed afaics
17:33:07	rasher	- if($id3->{'ALBUM'}."___".$id3->{'ARTIST'} ne "<no album tag>___<no artist tag>") {
17:33:11	rasher	+ if($id3->{'ALBUM'}."___".$id3->{'DIR'} ne "<no album tag>___<no artist tag>") {
17:33:14	rasher	that
17:33:18	rasher	that'll always be false now
17:33:22	rasher	er, true
17:33:30	HCl	yea, well. okay.
17:33:32	HCl	but still
17:33:35	rasher	but nevermind
17:33:36	HCl	artist was wrong
17:33:40	HCl	so i just fixed it everywhere.
17:33:49	HCl	anyways..
17:33:52	HCl	would like..
17:33:59	HCl	mapping the album name to the songs
17:34:04	HCl	then taking the artist of the first song
17:34:08	HCl	be acceptable for the artist of an album?
17:34:29	rasher	how about a special case?
17:34:35	HCl	what do you mean? oo.
17:34:43	rasher	like "<multiple artists>"
17:34:45	HCl	i'm not very good at perl programming, this is pretty much what i can still manage xD
17:34:46	rasher	or something like that
17:35:07	HCl	well, thats fine by me, only i don't know how to add that, heh.
17:35:19	HCl	i can just take the artist of the first song for now
17:35:23	HCl	at the moment its completely broken
17:35:27	HCl	just giving nonsense
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17:37:11	HCl	fixed.
17:37:14	*	HCl will commit.
17:40:16	*	HCl needs a better testcase than 5 random songs he happened to have on his ftp
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17:41:04	webguest82	Hello, everybody
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17:42:03	webguest82	I have some questions about xs 200 rockbox
17:42:24	webguest82	can anybody help me
17:42:33	preglow	just ask
17:42:37	webguest82	hello??????????
17:42:48	preglow	HI!!!!!!!!!11
17:42:52	Psy^Dead	hello webguest
17:42:55	webguest82	is it possible to use rockbox on xs 200
17:43:03	Psy^Dead	not yet
17:43:06	Psy^Dead	i think
17:43:12	Psy^Dead	what is an xs200?
17:43:15	rasher	gmini?
17:43:26	webguest82	and if not is there a possibility that rockbox wil support it in the future
17:43:34	webguest82	yes gmini xs 200
17:43:35	rasher	There's a port underway
17:43:39	rasher	but it's stalled right now
17:43:40	webguest82	cool
17:43:45	webguest82	oh
17:43:47	rasher	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GminiPort
17:43:53	webguest82	i really need it
17:44:08	rasher	You're more than welcome to help out
17:44:20	webguest82	mh
17:44:23	Psy^Dead	why do you need it?
17:44:42	webguest82	because the original one sucks some how
17:44:44	preglow	there'll be a long time before rockbox is usable by ordinary people on gmin
17:44:52	preglow	unless more people start to pitch in
17:45:02	webguest82	I would like to help
17:45:13	rasher	webguest82: read the page I linked
17:45:13	Psy^Dead	how many people contributed to getting iriver rockbox to where it is?
17:45:14	preglow	are you a programmer?
17:45:15	webguest82	but i'm not like in programming that well
17:45:20	preglow	then you can't help much
17:45:27	preglow	i'm afraid
17:46:39	webguest82	perhapse i know some people who could help
17:46:59	webguest82	thx for the link
17:46:59	Psy^Dead	HCl here?
17:47:28	HCl	yea.
17:47:59	webguest82	see ya
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17:48:05	Psy^Dead	any news on that tag database proposal?
17:48:11	Psy^Dead	i saw your wikipage
17:48:16	Psy^Dead	it looks interesting
17:48:24	Psy^Dead	anyone actually making it happen?
17:48:31	HCl	i'm actually working on it, yea.
17:48:39	HCl	i think most people finally agree at least somewhat.
17:48:47	rasher	:)
17:48:51	Psy^Dead	i think it sounds good :)
17:48:54	HCl	thanks
17:49:09	HCl	at the moment i'm mostly trying to get everything to work as it did with the new format
17:49:09	Psy^Dead	its like how i use winamp's media library
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17:49:19	HCl	but for now its bugfixing the old format
17:49:31	rasher	actually.. wait
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17:49:34	HCl	i'm bumping into a lot of bugs with the database tester i wrote that aren't actually my bugs :P
17:49:41	rasher	do we really need an album->artist link?
17:49:43	HCl	i'm not gonna commit it yet rasher
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17:49:49	HCl	no, like i said earlier, we don't :P
17:49:54	HCl	which is one of the reasons
17:49:57	HCl	to why it could be broken
17:49:59	HCl	without people noticing
17:50:10	Psy^Dead	why does hcl
17:50:15	Psy^Dead	write in haiku? :P
17:50:22	HCl	haiku? :x
17:50:31	rasher	So there's no problem with multi-artist albums reall?
17:50:33	rasher	really
17:50:36	HCl	you mean not long sentences at once? o.o.
17:50:41	HCl	rasher: nope, none at all.
17:50:43	rasher	if we adjust the format slightly
17:51:01	HCl	i don't think we even need a format adjustment, i dunno.
17:51:09	HCl	i'm not focusing on that at the moment..
17:51:16	rasher	alright, I wasn't sure.. thought there was an album->artist table
17:55:14	*	HCl shakes his head
17:55:16	HCl	not as far as i know
17:55:24	HCl	though i might be wrong.
17:55:45	*	HCl goes to check on what he's broke in his songdbv2.pl
17:56:16	rasher	I'm inclined to suggest starting from scratch, picking bits from songdb.pl
17:56:37	HCl	yea, well. um.
17:56:43	HCl	i'm not good enough at perl for that
17:56:43	HCl	o.o.
17:56:47	rasher	heh :)
17:56:48	HCl	and its not that bad, really.
17:57:02	rasher	may just be me
17:57:15	rasher	also, I think I was looking at it like really late one night
17:57:19	rasher	iirc
17:58:34	HCl	ah.
17:58:37	HCl	i found what i broke :)
17:58:41	HCl	thats the last bug :)
17:59:00	Psy^Dead	hcl, still planning rockbeans?
17:59:02	HCl	yes.
17:59:06	HCl	but its long term.
17:59:17	HCl	i'm definately gonna make it once i find some time
17:59:24	Psy^Dead	ok
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18:05:57	HCl	ah.
18:05:59	HCl	works :)
18:06:12	*	rasher ponders having a second look at "rockout"
18:06:32	HCl	would be nice, it would make a good base for rockbeans if you make it fairly abstract
18:06:50	*	HCl fixed his last bug in the songdbv2.pl
18:06:50	rasher	oh
18:07:01	rasher	I'm basing it on pong :)
18:07:05	HCl	ohh wait.
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18:07:07	HCl	you're right
18:07:10	HCl	i'm confused XD
18:07:19	HCl	nevermind :)
18:07:20	rasher	I'm right?
18:07:30	HCl	yea, i thought you meant rockblox for a sec
18:07:34	rasher	ah
18:07:35	HCl	:P
18:07:35	rasher	no
18:07:38	HCl	nods
18:07:49	*	HCl ish happy that his songdbv2.pl works perfectly now :)
18:07:55	*	HCl goes to celebrate with chocolate milk
18:08:22	HCl	i'd commit it, but its not very useful yet
18:08:34	HCl	aside from working with the accompanying testdb.c
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18:13:17	rasher	:)
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18:18:00	LinusN	HCl: the "quarrel" with bluechip goes way back, long before the license dispute
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18:18:08	HCl	okay.
18:19:25	LinusN	the main issue being that he wants to be anonymous, and we don't want anonymous contributions
18:20:03	LinusN	the has been numerous arguments about a lot of things
18:20:25	LinusN	so we decided that we can live without his code
18:21:00	LinusN	the "audio" filter stuff is nothing but a pretty way of setting the registers in the MAS MP3 chip
18:21:20	LinusN	we have most of that functionality in rockbox anyway
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18:23:31	preglow	wants to be anonymous?
18:23:31	preglow	haha
18:23:55	HCl	i agree that we don't need it.
18:24:03	preglow	sounds paranoid
18:24:06	HCl	he does.
18:25:40	HCl	any objections against adding testdb.c and songdbv2.pl to the cvs?
18:25:43	rasher	there was something in the mailing list recently
18:25:49	HCl	they'll have do not use new database format etc printed when ran
18:26:11	HCl	i'm thinking they might be nice to show what the new format is like if anyone's interested o.o.
18:26:15	HCl	hm.
18:26:19	HCl	nah, i'll just put them on my ftp instead o.o.
18:26:45	rasher	hm
18:26:55	rasher	I totally need to convert my mail to maildir :-\
18:27:10	HCl	after 7 years of C coding.
18:27:18	HCl	i finally learned how to do the do while statement
18:27:18	HCl	xD
18:27:29	rasher	hah
18:27:38	LinusN	HCl: i don't mind it being in cvs, as long as it doesn't mess anything up
18:27:42	HCl	LinusN: okay
18:27:44	HCl	i'll commit it then
18:27:49	HCl	and no, its not going to mess anything up.
18:27:53	LinusN	but testdb.c is a bad name
18:28:01	HCl	i'm open to any suggestions
18:28:10	HCl	i renamed it to testdbv2.c at the moment, but go ahead and suggest something
18:28:28	LinusN	cvs isn't very good at renaming and moving stuff
18:28:36	HCl	yea, i know
18:28:41	HCl	i haven't committed it yet, so :)
18:28:56	HCl	what do you want it to be named?
18:29:00	preglow	any plans to move to svn? :>
18:29:13	LinusN	preglow: we've talked a lot about it
18:29:27	LinusN	HCl: i haven't followed the discussion
18:29:44	LinusN	is it a new database, or an extension of the existing?
18:30:47	HCl	eh.
18:30:51	HCl	a little bit of both.
18:30:59	HCl	pretty much a rearrangement of the existing
18:31:02	HCl	with extensions.
18:32:09	LinusN	ok, let's wait with the commit for now
18:32:16	HCl	kay.
18:32:30	LinusN	i'll have a word with bagder tomorrow
18:32:35	HCl	i'll just put it on my ftp then with links to it on the wiki
18:32:40	LinusN	great
18:32:49	HCl	yea, i'm not gonna commit any code that changes it till it works decently
18:33:20	HCl	at least now that i got all the bugs out of songdbv2.pl, it shouldn't be too hard to adapt the code into being able to read it, since my test program can read it fine now
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18:33:35	HCl	hmm, except that i need to test the fileentry structure, forgot that.
18:34:27	preglow	shouldn't 'moveq.l #0xb0, %d0' work? i can't see why it shouldn't work
18:35:18	LinusN	moveq holds the immediate value in the opcode itself
18:35:21	preglow	bahh, it's probably meant to be signed data
18:35:28	LinusN	and there are only 3 bits for that
18:35:34	preglow	no, there are eight
18:35:40	LinusN	really
18:35:41	preglow	addq and co uses three bits
18:35:41	LinusN	?
18:35:45	LinusN	aha
18:35:45	preglow	moveq uses eight
18:36:14	preglow	mov3q uses three, but isn't supported in our coldfire
18:36:48	preglow	but i think gas somehow expects signed data there
18:37:20	LinusN	nothing in the manual says it should be signed
18:37:35	LinusN	is this in an "asm" statement?
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18:37:53	preglow	coldfire reference says the data are sign extended, so might be some foolishness involved
18:37:56	preglow	it's an .S file
18:38:00	LinusN	ok
18:38:16	LinusN	so try using a signed expression then
18:38:54	LinusN	but you might not want it sign extended...
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18:42:17	HCl	great. fileentry works fine
18:42:25	rasher	\o/
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18:43:41	preglow	i might not want it sign extended indeed, i'll just use a immediate move, it's just a %macsr setup anyway ;)
18:44:21	preglow	and it was a sign thing, moveq.l #-100, %d0 worked fine
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19:19:01	Shagnar	lol^^
19:19:11	muesli-	so what?
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19:19:17	HCl	low
19:19:22	Shagnar	lool
19:19:27	Shagnar	^^
19:19:35	rasher	:-O
19:19:37	HCl	how goes muesli- ?
19:19:38	*	muesli- yawns to hcl
19:19:45	muesli-	just yawning ;)
19:19:49	muesli-	hi rasher
19:19:57	*	HCl gets thrown all the way to the back
19:20:02	HCl	watch where you're yawning
19:20:03	HCl	:p
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19:21:07	muesli-	no worries mate, will not fight for the top yawning position in this # ;)
19:21:41	HCl	:P
19:22:29	preglow	catch the digital flow
19:22:53	preglow	wow, this is a new one
19:22:58	HCl	?
19:23:05	preglow	I0B:Line-F at 32F468FC
19:23:15	HCl	old plugin?
19:23:23	HCl	have you recompiled cleanly?
19:23:27	preglow	shouldn't be
19:23:29	HCl	and cvs updated
19:23:30	preglow	just make cleaned
19:23:34	HCl	mk
19:23:57	preglow	probably faulty plugin api
19:23:59	rasher	that looks fun
19:25:22	preglow	i thought plugin versioning was supposed to catch stuff like this
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19:26:18	rasher	did you mess with the plugin api?
19:28:24	preglow	no, but someone did
19:29:19	rasher	bastard
19:31:28	rasher	17:18 <preglow> but no, no rockbox for me today anyway
19:31:30	rasher	:D
19:31:37	preglow	yes, i know...
19:31:44	rasher	don't stop! :)
19:32:00	preglow	i just granted myself another half hours attempt
19:32:08	rasher	heh
19:32:08	HCl	:P
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20:01:38	preglow	i wish this thing started working soon, i'm sick'n tired of looking at asm
20:03:09	HCl	whatcha working on?
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20:14:46	preglow	HCl: imdct_l
20:14:48	preglow	as usual
20:15:07	HCl	ok
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20:17:08	preglow	i'm not used to dealing with assembly stuff of this size, heh
20:17:21	HCl	thats why we made programming languages ;x
20:17:38	HCl	because asm code is sooo hard to keep clean and organized
20:18:22	preglow	i'd just LOVE to use c
20:18:25	preglow	really
20:18:29	HCl	i know :/
20:18:39	preglow	i hate playing register allocator
20:18:40	preglow	i suck at it
20:21:44	*	preglow puts on cowboy bebop soundtrack
20:21:53	HCl	ohhh
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20:22:36	preglow	i frigging love this music
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20:23:15	HCl	hey Psy^Dead
20:23:24	Psy^Dead	lo
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20:23:38	HCl	if you're interested in the new database progress so far, there are two programs that can work it on my http
20:23:54	nobby	i can wait til iriver progresses a bit
20:23:59	HCl	nods
20:24:33	nobby	how much work is left to get from playing 5 seconds of mp3 to playing full tracks?
20:24:50	rasher	HCl: mind if I add more stuff to the status? Such as 0% save runtime info on play etc?
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20:25:18	HCl	rasher: not at all.
20:25:30	rasher	just to complete the list a bit
20:25:47	preglow	nobby: only linus knows
20:25:58	HCl	yea, tomorrow i'm most likely gonna fix it so it'll work with the code
20:26:02	HCl	and then start on the runtime db
20:27:57	rasher	there, added a few steps
20:28:08	rasher	not sure how well they fit
20:28:21	HCl	its okay.
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20:52:42	preglow	ahhh, it appears i'm a fool
20:52:58	rasher	oh noes
20:53:09	rasher	does this mean that you found out what was wrong though?
20:53:53	preglow	well, i certainly found out why it sounds like shit
20:55:40	preglow	and it also appears i have a significant coding job to do before i'll find out if it works properly
20:56:32	rasher	ouch
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21:02:29	preglow	ouch indeed
21:02:29	preglow	ach
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21:46:30	preglow	anyone know what @−−−− means in arm assembly?
21:46:34	preglow	literal pool placement?
21:47:03	rasher	haha
21:47:20	rasher	that's an excellent symbol
21:48:49	preglow	googling it was not very easy, heh
21:49:00	rasher	heh
21:49:10	preglow	mainly because google seemed to just ignore it
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22:30:44	HCl	what would be faster? searching for a file hash, or binary searching for a filename?
22:30:51	HCl	(including hashing of the file)
22:31:25	HCl	if we can make hashing a file fast, i might even be able to readjust the database to sort on hash instead so we can binary search on hash
22:32:12	rasher	hashing a file where?
22:32:16	rasher	on target?
22:32:18	HCl	yea.
22:32:21	HCl	on target
22:32:24	rasher	erp
22:32:27	HCl	compared to binary searching for the filename.
22:32:38	rasher	I could try
22:32:48	HCl	we definately need the hashes to be unique
22:32:50	rasher	was there a crc routine somewhere?
22:32:58	HCl	someone mentioned crc16
22:33:02	HCl	its not likely to be good enough.
22:33:14	HCl	we'd need crc32 at the very least.
22:33:17	HCl	i think.
22:33:18	rasher	crc32 is quickly good enough
22:33:28	HCl	in theory, crc16 would be good enough
22:33:32	rasher	512bytes is easily enough
22:33:34	HCl	but it'd have to be a darn good hashing routine.
22:33:37	rasher	iirc
22:33:43	HCl	we need to test and find out.
22:33:46	rasher	I did
22:33:53	HCl	its one of the issues i'll come across tomorrow
22:33:54	HCl	oh?
22:33:56	HCl	do tell
22:33:59	rasher	tested crc of the first X and last X bytes
22:34:16	HCl	okay.
22:34:16	rasher	as in, read first X and last X, crc32 that
22:34:20	HCl	nods
22:34:22	rasher	I'll find the results
22:34:39	HCl	ok, please do
22:34:49	HCl	oh wait..
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22:35:04	HCl	i'm forgetting stuff XD we want to allow files that are copies of eachother..
22:35:16	HCl	though they would have the same tag and runtime info though.
22:35:17	HCl	hmm.
22:35:22	rasher	:)
22:35:26	HCl	i guess we could still look up files by hash.
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22:35:31	HCl	its just a matter of which is faster.
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22:35:39	rasher	"regarding my file-hash experiment: 512byte from start of file 512 kb from end of file produced no duplicates.. 256 256 produced one"
22:35:48	HCl	okay.
22:35:50	rasher	oh, kb :)
22:35:52	rasher	I was lying
22:35:54	HCl	kb?
22:35:57	HCl	not bytes?
22:36:02	HCl	512kb is a lot...
22:36:03	rasher	hm
22:36:07	rasher	yes..
22:36:12	rasher	let me check the script I used :)
22:36:13	HCl	either way, we're gonna need hashes.
22:36:18	HCl	so we need them anyways.
22:36:35	rasher	no, bytes
22:36:35	HCl	i just want to know whether hashing + binary search for hash is faster than binary search for filename
22:36:38	rasher	not kb
22:37:06	Bagder	if the hash is on the music, then I think you should search on the file name
22:37:28	HCl	rasher: okay.
22:37:38	rasher	I think it'd be absolutely great to use hashes on the music
22:37:40	Bagder	since you won't always have the music around, but you will have the file name
22:37:50	HCl	hmm.
22:37:57	HCl	i never considered people temporarily removing files.
22:38:11	rasher	not for this matter specifically, I've no idea which'll be better
22:38:20	HCl	rasher: it would map identical files to the same tag/runtime info
22:38:34	HCl	and we can sort the hashes to enable binary search
22:38:49	HCl	comparing a hash is much quicker than comparing every character of a string..
22:38:59	HCl	its just the generating of the hash that can be slower
22:39:11	rasher	I'm not sure I can come up with a scenario where people would want to distinguish between several identical files
22:39:31	HCl	no, we wouldn't really want to in the database anyways
22:39:35	HCl	the id3 tag would be the same
22:39:40	HCl	and the runtime info would be the same
22:39:43	HCl	which makes sense to me
22:39:45	HCl	if they're the same file
22:39:54	rasher	the id3 tag might be different
22:40:00	HCl	not if the hashes are the same it won't.
22:40:05	rasher	depending on how we hash
22:40:13	rasher	well my idea was to seek to the first mpeg frame
22:40:31	HCl	okay, well... at the moment i'm assuming hashes will be unique..
22:40:43	HCl	we need to keep account of it if they won't be.
22:41:08	rasher	even assuming we hash as usual
22:41:15	rasher	they might not be unique
22:41:26	HCl	i dunno.
22:41:33	rasher	if they're the same file
22:41:33	HCl	it simply depends on our hashing function.
22:42:05	rasher	oh, you mean hash the filename as well?
22:42:14	HCl	no, not with the filename.
22:42:20	HCl	just a hash of the file data.
22:42:39	rasher	hm
22:42:44	rasher	22:40 <HCl> okay, well... at the moment i'm assuming hashes will be unique..
22:42:50	HCl	oh. sorry.
22:42:54	rasher	then we can't make that assumption
22:42:55	HCl	to files that aren't copies.
22:42:57	HCl	of eachother.
22:43:04	rasher	ah
22:43:52	rasher	I'll see if I can make a hashing function
22:44:05	HCl	:)
22:45:00	rasher	I expect crc32 to be available all over the net :)
22:52:50	preglow	md5 :P
22:53:04	rasher	crc is supposed to be faster?
22:54:07	rasher	I think that's why bagder suggested it
22:54:29	Bagder	crc32 is only 32bit while md5 has longer hashes
22:55:04	Bagder	I'm fairly sure crc32 is faster
22:58:27	rasher	how does one add something to viewers again?
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22:59:38	Bagder	to the viewers.config file you mean?
22:59:52	rasher	I'm an idiot...
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23:00:06	Bagder	haha
23:00:41	rasher	I was looking at one of the other lines, and wrote sort.rock instead :)
23:01:08	rasher	oh err..
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23:02:30	rasher	now I don't get it
23:02:47	rasher	there's a line in viewers.config, the .rock is in viewers
23:02:55	rasher	but it doesn't show in "open with"
23:03:00	rasher	what am I missing?
23:03:40	Bagder	you playing with a new plugin?
23:04:23		Quit Ka_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23:04:40	rasher	yes.. well, one to hash files
23:04:49	rasher	just to test out how fast it could be
23:04:54	rasher	would
23:04:57	Bagder	could it be the size of the buffer for the viewers?
23:05:18	Bagder	I recall some problem with that before
23:05:31	rasher	maybe.. what do I do?
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23:08:12	*	Bagder checks
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23:11:28	Bagder	no, it should support 32
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23:12:10	rasher	I must be missing something then..
23:12:11	rasher	uh
23:12:19	Bagder	hi amiconn, I have a very minor nit/question about your fat patch
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23:12:36	amiconn	rasher: Did you restart rockbox after correcting viewers.config?
23:12:46	amiconn	Bagder: which is...?
23:12:59	rasher	I did
23:13:06	rasher	both through rolo and regularly
23:13:24	Bagder	amiconn: there's a strncpy() of size 12 to a 12 byte buffer, which could leave the buffer without a terminating zero
23:13:36	Bagder	iiuc
23:14:23	amiconn	Talking 'bout line 1259?
23:14:27	Bagder	yes
23:14:50	amiconn	In this special case, it can't
23:14:56	Bagder	ok
23:15:02	Bagder	good
23:15:32	amiconn	This part is only executed if 'dotdir' is true, and then name is always either '.' or '..'
23:17:39	rasher	Gar.. it just won't show up!
23:18:27	Bagder	finally a chance to run it in the sim and use gdb! ;-)
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23:18:42	rasher	what, me?
23:18:49	Bagder	hehe
23:20:20	rasher	well.. how?
23:20:47	Bagder	gdb rockboxui
23:20:52	Bagder	b source.c:1234
23:20:54	Bagder	run
23:21:06	rasher	^_^
23:21:41	Bagder	when it stops, use 'n' to single-step, 's' to step into functions and 'p' to display variables' contents
23:22:29	rasher	any good ideas to where to break?
23:23:10	Bagder	apps/filetypes.c has the viewers code
23:23:21	Bagder	read_config() could be a place to start
23:23:52	rasher	lessee
23:26:41	rasher	this is going to take a while..
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23:28:13	rasher	ages in fact
23:29:23	rasher	I'm still doing "viewer"
23:29:46	Bagder	set a bette break point and use 'c' (continue)
23:30:21	Bagder	continues until it hits a break point
23:32:47	*	rasher blinks at the code
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23:36:51	rasher	uh..
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23:37:27	rasher	it works fine if I assign it a fileextension and "play" one of those files
23:37:34	rasher	why wouldn't it show up in "open with"?
23:37:53	muesli-	re
23:38:19	Bagder	rasher: apps/onplay.c the list_viewers() function I think
23:38:38	rasher	hm.. think I'll just leave it be for now
23:38:48	rasher	or not
23:38:52	rasher	oh, I will :)
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23:48:08	HCl	well, fileextension should work for now.
23:53:38	rasher	still trying to find a description of crc32
23:55:22	HCl	okay..
23:55:29	HCl	let me just settle in my room and i'll try to help
23:55:56	rasher	noooo I want to do it by myself :)
23:56:43	Bagder	search on koders.com
23:56:49	HCl	okay :)
23:57:59	muesli-	g'n8 folks
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