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#rockbox log for 2005-05-02

00:00:51elwoodanyone know if the iriver recording glitch can be avoided with future Rockbox?
00:01:13Bagderelinenbe: no one knows for sure, but we have great hopes
00:01:41MoosCamarohi Bagder
00:01:53Bagderelwood I meant
00:01:59*Bagder curses his nick completion
00:02:14MoosCamarohave you got news of Linus?
00:02:18HClMoosCamaro: its done.
00:02:22HClit just needs a gui plugin.
00:02:24Bagdernews of Linus?
00:02:34HClgod i hate flashing software
00:02:38HClits nervewrecking
00:03:16MoosCamaroBagder: news of the playback works of Linus
00:04:06BagderI think the sitation there is pretty much the same as when he and I worked on it, a little over a week ago
00:04:27MoosCamaroa ok thanks
00:04:28elwoodbagder, good to hear. i'm struggling on getting on one, and the glitch is the only thing keeping me away.
00:05:24MoosCamaroLinus disappear of Irc this few days
00:05:32Bagderhe's been away
00:05:53MoosCamarohis new car?
00:06:11Bagderwith that, yes
00:08:03HClgod i hate flashing firmware x.x;
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00:08:10HClits been at it for over 7 minutes.
00:08:29HClthank god it has a percentage, heh.
00:08:29MoosCamarowhat phone is?
00:08:35HClmotorola mpx200
00:08:45MoosCamarommm, great
00:08:50HCli would've gone mad if it didn't have a progressbar
00:10:48HClcongratulations, you've successfully upgraded your mpx200
00:10:54HCl1 flash done, 2 to go :|
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00:11:16MoosCamarogood luck
00:11:20HClthanks :(
00:11:34HClat least these go faster.
00:11:36HClsmaller files...
00:12:40HCl2 down, 1/2th to go
00:14:09HClnot booting :(
00:15:09 Quit ferenczy ()
00:15:49HClmaster reset.
00:15:53HClerasing flash..
00:23:28HClnot working :/
00:23:54HClbut its recoverable.
00:23:58HCltrying a different version...
00:24:06HClif this doesnt work i'll have to try to get back to the original one.
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00:30:09HCli have 3 versions of this thing in total
00:31:42HCloh wait. it can hang for 5 minutes..
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00:35:58HClits sort of working..
00:41:02MoosCamaroit's time to go to sleep
00:41:23MoosCamarowake up tomorow 6:00 AM
00:41:41MoosCamarogood night all
00:41:58MoosCamaroHCl: good luck with your new phone
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01:22:09HClyay it works it works ^.^
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08:31:06amiconnGood morning
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10:13:08bobTHCmornin' folks !
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10:35:07Bagderamiconn: good recent bugfixing!
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11:02:14bobTHCthe dictionnary plugin is a good idea imho. about interface it would be nice to natively think at a word translator too ( a lot of .dict files are word translation)
11:03:43Bagdershould simply be a matter of using such a dictionary
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11:07:30bobTHCindeed , but that's could lightly influence the interface
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12:19:47MoosCamarohey all
12:20:04MoosCamaroo.o Linus is back
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14:06:36mdegrouxI have a little question
14:06:58mdegrouxDo you know an alternative firmware for a JBM 20?
14:07:49mdegrouxlinav is for AVXX ?????
14:08:29Bagderif you say so
14:15:50tor8008anybody here competant with the MAS3576f? Need some tips on getting the compressed data from the PIO pins, sync problem....?
14:16:59tor8008sorry, 3587f..
14:17:48BagderI'm not, but there's lots of code you can read
14:18:23tor8008yeah, lots of decoding....but not much in the any for the rockbox that is easy accisable ?
14:18:45Bagdersince we record with it, that is encoding
14:19:13tor8008where can I find the code?
14:19:26Bagderin the rockbox cvs
14:19:31Bagdercheck apps/recorder
14:20:11Bagderyou have a long way to go my friend
14:21:07Bagderactually, I think most of the MAS code is in firmware/mpeg.c
14:21:12tor8008not using the rockbox, just the circuit, totally different app.
14:21:57BagderI believe LinusN and amiconn are the ones who know most about that stuff
14:22:49tor8008aha...thanx...found the code, gonna compare it to my own......tnhax anyway!
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14:23:01Bagdergood luck!
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14:34:14PsYCoTiCanyone around?
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14:36:19PsYCoTiCi am looking to upgrade my rockbox on my archos and not sure exactly what vesion of player i have
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14:36:38PsYCoTiCjukebox FM recorder
14:36:40Bagderit says it when you boot
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14:37:00*t0mas is back at home :)
14:37:05PsYCoTiCoh i meant the player version
14:37:12PsYCoTiCthe os version i have is 1.30
14:37:40BagderI don't understand your question
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14:38:13PsYCoTiCok, i looked for newer rockbox versions for my player and i saw different os versions for different players
14:38:26PsYCoTiCleast that is what it appeared to be
14:38:37Bagderyes, you need to get the file for your target model
14:38:59Bagderyou said "fm recorder", then get the fm recorder version
14:40:23PsYCoTiCheh i see what you are saying. and i know i sound a bit lame , just happened to get confused when i saw different "recorders" on the downloads page that looked exactly like mine
14:41:19t0masBagder? what would be the "right" way of releasing the start version of the dictionary?
14:41:32t0masputting the conversion scripts in wiki? and commit the plugin?
14:41:40t0masor just commit the conversion tools and the plugin?
14:42:00Bagdercommit the tools and plugin, add a description in the wiki
14:42:23PsYCoTiCthe downloads page shows two fm recoders
14:42:32PsYCoTiCFM recorder and a recorder v2
14:42:46t0masok, then I need some help...
14:42:48t0masadding a tool
14:42:49Bagderright, that is NOT two FM recorders :-)
14:42:56Bagderthat is one FM and one v2
14:43:03bobTHCPsYCoTiC>read footnote m8
14:43:14PsYCoTiCthey both say FM recored on their face
14:43:31Bagderread the footnote
14:43:35gromit`a/go lunix
14:43:42Bagderif you have a better pic, feel free to send it to ud
14:43:42gromit`damn irssi :)
14:44:08PsYCoTiCplease, im not complaining heh just want to understand. going to the page you suggested now
14:44:24BagderPsYCoTiC: if you have a FM, why not just get the FM version?
14:44:29Bagderwhat are you trying to do?
14:46:04PsYCoTiC:), i just dont want to screw my playe up
14:46:26PsYCoTiCi do have FM on my player so i apparently do not have the v2
14:46:29Bagderyou won't, you can always just remove rockbox again
14:48:43PsYCoTiCok, the install says to unpack it to the root disk. my older version is installed in .rockbox folder
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14:56:19PsYCoTiCvery nice much better boot time
14:56:32PsYCoTiCtook nearly 40 secs before heh
14:57:49Bagdernever heard anyone experience that before
14:57:53PsYCoTiCis there a way to get the anti skip buffer to go higher than 7 secs?
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15:16:27*t0mas is away: time to make some food :)
15:35:07t0masint fDebug;
15:35:07t0masfDebug = rb->open("/dictdbg.txt", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC);
15:35:20t0maswhat's wrong there? :|
15:36:28*t0mas hits his head against the wall...
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15:50:25t0mashi Tang
15:50:33Tang_hi t0mas
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15:53:25Tang_Won't stay a long time
15:53:38Tang_too much work
15:55:35t0masghehe, you have doritos in france too?
15:55:42t0mas(the chips)
15:56:05Tang_what is that?
15:56:17t0masthe chips as in food...
15:57:04t0masChips avec piment de chilli ├ędulcorant (as my french isn't to bad)
15:57:06Tang_mmm okay but whay are you talking about this?
15:57:14t0masbecause I'm bored :P
15:57:25t0masand saw them on my desk :)
15:57:39*HCl just exploited a bug in the weather software for his mobile phone.
15:57:44Tang_sorry i was misunderstanding
15:57:45HClbad coders :)
15:57:58HClthinking the registry is a safe place. nope. not on mobile phones either xD
15:58:07Tang_HCL, exploided to do what?
15:58:11t0masto crash? :P
15:58:20HCland, what should our program do if it can't check the evaluation date?! oh, i guess we'll just skip the check if we can't find the installation date!
15:58:39HClTang_: run indefinately while it was originally a 3 day trial
15:59:03t0masthe math program by Ti does the same...
15:59:06Tang_indeed very stupid bug
15:59:14t0masTi Interactive... change a reg key and it will run forever :)
15:59:30HClin this case it was deleting part of the reg keys, but not all of them
15:59:36HClif you removed all of them, it thought it was just installed
15:59:37HCl :p
15:59:43HClstupid developers :
15:59:44HCl :p
16:00:08*t0mas looks at his iriver screen... astonished...
16:00:15t0mas"it's working!"
16:00:21HCl :)
16:00:22t0masbut I didn't expect it to
16:00:31HCli need someone to design an plugin gui for my editor.
16:00:34HCland if they won't.
16:00:40HCli'll just make a really crappy looking one
16:00:44t0mas(I really am a bad coder :X)
16:00:51Tang_what work?
16:00:52HCllike, its all done.
16:00:57Tang_new plugin?
16:00:57HCli have the editengine done.
16:01:03HClit just needs to be linked to an iriver plugin.
16:01:05t0masHCl: the dictionary interface isn't perfect either...
16:01:09HClyes, to create search querys.
16:01:21Tang_hum searchengine?
16:01:25Tang_or other,
16:01:30HClfor the searchengine.
16:01:51*t0mas removes debug code again... and wonders if it will still work :P
16:01:53HCli'm hoping that someone will be able to tell me how to launch a new plugin from a plugin.
16:01:54DMJCwait... did you just say, on error: bypass security?
16:01:57HClmuch like an execv()
16:01:59HClDMJC: :P
16:02:05HClDMJC: it actually does that!
16:02:16HClDMJC: i deleted its installation date registry key, but left the rest intact
16:02:24HClbecause the rest was there, it assumed it was already installed
16:02:27HCland didn't recreate the key.
16:02:35HClon top of that, the check for the installation date fails.
16:02:41HClcausing it to completely bypass the evaluation
16:02:42HCl :P
16:02:48Tang_ will study your work later i'm too hurry
16:02:59DMJCbeen a long time since I've seen complete retardedness
16:03:02Tang_have fun
16:03:20HClDMJC: they might've been so stupid that its actually supposed to work like this
16:03:27HCland that deleting the installation date key means registering it
16:03:39t0masHCl: the exec() thing would be nice to have
16:03:47HClt0mas: yes, i pretty much need it for databox.
16:03:51t0masas then I can just output the data to a file...
16:03:58t0maslaunch viewer
16:04:04t0masand remove the file when you close it :)
16:04:10HClTang_: the to-be frontend for searchengine.
16:04:17Tang_finally you didn't choosen searchengine as denomination?
16:04:20HClt0mas: the removing isn't possible.
16:04:23Tang_Ah okay
16:04:30HClsince exec would replace the plugin.
16:04:40Tang_okay bye all
16:04:48t0maswell... then just leave the file there :)
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16:05:14t0masisn't it possible to do "multi tasking" like running an other plugin (ofcourse removing my pluginbuffer) and return?
16:05:30HCli think it should very well be possible
16:05:34HClmuch like an exec() in unix.
16:05:52HClputting the argument temporarily in the mp3buffer or so.
16:06:06t0mashm... that would be bad...
16:06:10t0masas it would stop the music
16:06:22HCli'm sure there's another spot.
16:06:24HCliram for example.
16:07:03Bagdernot iram
16:07:23Bagderplugins are designed to be only one at a time
16:07:31Bagderit would need to be fixed somehow
16:07:40Bagderto use a reserved area
16:09:44amiconnShould be simple
16:10:10Bagderyes, a plain global variable array would do I guess
16:10:28amiconnWe'd just need a function in the core, exported to the api, which allows to set a follow-up plugin that should be started when the current plugin returns
16:10:49t0mashmz... and set the next one after that?
16:11:06t0masas I might want to run something... and then so something myself again?
16:11:10t0masor would that be to difficult?
16:11:34t0maswell... an example:
16:11:47t0masI have a mp3 editor plugin, and I want to cut something...
16:11:49amiconnIiuc you want to run another plugin (which could be the same plugin again) from a plugin
16:11:52t0masI call the mp3splitter
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16:12:01t0masand want after that return's ofcourse to be called again..
16:12:41amiconnAh, you mean not simple chaining, but something like a call stack?
16:12:45Bagderthat might become a bit messy
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16:12:54t0masamiconn: an exec() call ;)
16:13:07t0masbut double chain would be good too..
16:13:15Bagderan exec is what amiconn suggested more or less
16:13:23Bagderrun another plugin when this exits
16:13:32t0masthat's not exec()
16:13:47Bagderyes it is
16:14:01Bagder"The exec family of functions replaces the current process image with a new process image."
16:14:02amiconnDefinitely it can't work like exec(), because even if returning would start the first plugin again, you wouldn't end up aat the same spot within the plugin
16:14:06t0masthe "linux" exec() returns the returncode of the called program right?
16:14:34Bagderexec REPLACES the process
16:14:43Bagderthere's nothing to return to
16:15:26amiconnAh ok
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16:16:03t0masah... system() is what I ment...
16:16:19Bagderright, but you can forget system() ;-)
16:16:47Bagderit would be... a pain to support
16:16:49t0mas"Mama! Bagder isn't nice to me! I'm not allowed to run commands on rockbox"
16:16:59Bagdersince the plugins are linked to a fixed address
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16:19:20t0mashm... Bagder? is there a limit on the amount of simultaneously opened files in rockbox?
16:19:49Bagder#define MAX_OPEN_FILES 8
16:19:59t0masoooh wait...
16:20:05t0masmy debug files counts too ;)
16:20:22t0masstole HCl's way of on device debugging :)
16:20:26t0maswriting a log :)
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16:36:51t0mashm... build test for player, recorder and iriver is enouf?
16:37:59Bagdertried a sim as well?
16:38:07t0masiriver sim
16:38:44Bagderthen go ahead, you can always smoothen out the remaining little quirks by checking the build table
16:42:30t0masoh... 1 more thing..
16:42:37t0masin the tools Makefile:
16:42:38t0masTARGETS := scramble descramble sh2d bmp2rb rdf2binary convbdf generate_rocklatin mkboot
16:42:45t0mas$(CC) -g $+ -o $@
16:43:12t0masbut the tools isn't built?
16:45:01Bagderand it isn't already?
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16:45:19t0masshould I re-configure? or first make clean?
16:46:40t0masmake in the tools folder works..
16:46:59Bagderyes, didn't you do that before?
16:47:08Bagderthe tools only build when you run make there
16:48:01t0masnever did that... and all other tools are compiled
16:48:14t0masI always make a subdir build
16:48:20t0masconfigure and make there..
16:48:26Bagderyes, that's for building rockbox
16:48:30Bagderthe tools are built in the tools dir
16:48:34t0masyes, it builds the tools too for me
16:48:44t0mas(using rockbox-devel)
16:49:27Bagdersome tools are, but that's just because the makefiles are weird
16:49:33Bagderit is not intended
16:49:42t0masah ok
16:51:43t0maseh... ok, 1 problem left...
16:52:07t0masBUTTON_OFF is the stop/off button on iriver... and it works on recorder too
16:52:17t0masbut what button is the "plugin exit" button on player?
16:52:32Bagdercheck another plugin that runs on the player
16:52:53BagderI don't know ;-)
16:53:15t0masarg.... little stupid not to think of that
16:54:30t0masand I have a warning...
16:54:47t0maswarning: function declaration isn't a prototype
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17:19:04t0masok, dictionary is in CVS without errors/warnings :D
17:23:01Bagdert0mas: it uses _a lot_ of stack
17:24:13t0masI'll try to optimize that
17:24:34t0masI have a different version of the description reading... but it isn't really working..
17:29:39amiconnt0mas: Some quick remarks: (1) The display_columns calculation won't work correctly for proportional fonts
17:29:51t0mashm.. it's from viewer.c
17:30:25amiconn(2) If the endianness conversion is for reading a self-defined format, I'd rather switch the format to use big-endian, and use conversion for little endian. All targets are big endian atm, and it's more important to optimise for target, not for sim
17:30:28t0masthe display-ing part should change some way... but I'm not yet sure how...
17:31:02t0masok, so change the rdf2binary tool?
17:31:13t0masthat meight be a good idea..
17:31:14amiconn(3) The endian detection should use autoconf.h. LITTLE_ENDIAN is not reliable
17:31:40*t0mas starts fixing (2) and (3)
17:32:07t0mas(1) is a design problem that has to be fixed in viewer.c too... so that'll take some time
17:32:25rasherThat's already in the patch by pillo
17:32:31rashercheck the patch tracker
17:33:39rasherIt's a very nice patch
17:33:55t0masok, I'll use that
17:34:18t0masthe readlong() function used now can be used to reverse the long on the script too right?
17:38:06rashercan't scroll the text?
17:38:56t0masnot yet
17:39:34t0masthere's my todo list :)
17:41:11rasherI think that should be PluginDictionary and follow the format of Plugin*
17:41:31t0maswell... my idea was to keep this as a design doc
17:41:52t0masand when the plugin is ready... write a short "manual" for PluginDictionary
17:41:59t0masor PluginDict
17:42:20rasherAh, I guess
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17:48:30t0masok, (2) and (3) fixed :)
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18:49:41*t0mas is going to bed eurly tonight
18:49:59bobTHClol brain in fire ?
18:50:03t0masor erly?
18:50:14t0masno... didn't sleep enouf last night...
18:50:30t0masand I keep on creating bugs :P
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19:01:45amiconnMy Ondio's ON button is broken. It snapped off the pcb :(
19:02:02bobTHCouch :/
19:04:09t0masthat's bad...
19:04:11amiconnI need to solder it back. Fortunately it looks like the solder pads are intact, most likely it snapped because of bad solder joints
19:04:39amiconnHowever, in order to do that I need to separate the two pcbs, which will be tricky
19:05:20noclue2good luck.
19:09:26Epoch`_amiconn, how much space is there between the two pcb's?
19:10:45amiconn~4 mm only, and the lcd connector is routed between them too
19:15:23Epoch`_have you ever seen those little quick solder strips?
19:16:10Epoch`_basically you can use a lighter to solder. it may work to serve your purposes, as long as you reinforced the rest of the 3.5mm with plastic/foam/etc
19:29:00t0masBagder? it is ok to allocate my buffers in the pluginbuffer right?
19:29:29t0masto save some stack :)
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19:40:32t0masghehe... coffee is a wonderful thing...
19:40:49*t0mas has wrote some things w/o bugs ;)
19:53:40t0masvoid *plugin_get_buffer(int *buffer_size);
19:53:40t0masReturns a pointer to the portion of the plugin buffer that is not already being used. If no plugin is loaded, returns the entire plugin buffer.
19:53:53t0mashow does it know it's "not already being used" ?
19:55:49t0masoh wait... they mean not used by the plugin code...
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20:48:47tor8008anybody here (except you Bagder) ;), that can help me with the MAS3587f PIO output?
20:52:37coobhey is your il8n/l10n stuff compile time?
20:54:13*coob sees not
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22:13:33amiconnbummer :(
22:14:46amiconnButton seems completely screwed now, permanently pressed...
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22:30:31amiconnHCl: Broken Ondio :(
22:32:27HCl :X
22:32:29HClwhat happened?
22:32:51amiconnThe on/off button snapped off the pcb
22:33:12amiconnArchos soldering quality (tm)
22:33:31amiconnSurely not. It's my dev box
22:33:45amiconn...lots of times opened and closed etc
22:34:00HCl :x
22:34:38amiconnI tried soldering it back (it's tricky because I had to separate the two pcb's; they're connected by a 10-pin and a 2-pin _soldered_ connector
22:34:54amiconn...but then the button acted like being permanently pressed
22:35:14HCl :/
22:35:17amiconnI separated the 2 pcb's again now
22:35:37amiconnThe button itself is okay, I checked it again
22:36:16amiconnEither I shorted the button trace somewhere else (it is routed via the 10-pin connector), or something else broke
22:39:29amiconnHmm. Seems like the first problem :/
22:40:06amiconnI powered on the box without the daughter board in place - symptom is gone
22:40:41*amiconn goes for soldering back again, this time triple-checking for shorts
22:46:29amiconnyay, it works! :))
22:46:36HClyay :)
22:47:41*amiconn goes again to put everything back together
22:57:02*Bagder hms's certificate didn't verify ok anymore
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22:57:31Bagderthat's why the daily download of stuff fails
22:57:44Bagderfor patches, bugs etc
22:59:02amiconnBagder: Oldish root certificates, or did the sf certificate itself expire?
22:59:17BagderI didn't check why it fails
22:59:29BagderI just made curl ignore it
22:59:52amiconnHmm. Doesn't sound like a clean solution...
23:00:04Bagderhehe, nope
23:05:21Bagderbut the problem is that I don't have a CA cert to verify it with
23:05:48BagderCA certs are a mess in general
23:07:35Bagderanyway, the pages are now back on the site
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