#rockbox 2005-05-03

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#rockbox log for 2005-05-03

00:04:14	HCl	yawn
00:04:30	amiconn	Bugsss
00:06:09	*	HCl hands amiconn a glass jar and a bug catching net.
00:06:14	*	HCl goes to sleep
00:09:01	HCl	bleh.
00:09:10	*	HCl decides he's hungry and goes to make and eat food first :/
00:10:08	ehntoo	food is good.
00:13:07	MoosCamaro	hi guys
00:13:33	MoosCamaro	amiconn: good luck for your soldering
00:13:58	amiconn	It's already done−−−−−−−−, Ondio working again
00:14:22	amiconn	Oops, I should pay attentin where to rest my finger
00:14:26	MoosCamaro	congratulations, resurection
00:14:38	MoosCamaro	:)
00:17:03	MoosCamaro	amiconn: what's about your h140, have you receive it
00:17:26	amiconn	Nope. Seems I have to try other sources :-/
00:17:54	MoosCamaro	postals problems?
00:18:36	amiconn	No, shop simply doesn't ship it. Probably they went out of stock, but they should have informed me about that
00:18:47	amiconn	...silence....
00:20:24	MoosCamaro	lot of people want it, and with the production stoping...it's difficult to find one in perfect state
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00:22:23	ehntoo	there's always ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48683&item=5771584311&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
00:22:47	ehntoo	oh... it's even from misticaudio
00:23:22	MoosCamaro	good price
00:23:56	MoosCamaro	but his state isn't guaranty
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00:26:13	amiconn	HCl: Bug fixed. :)
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00:27:59	MoosCamaro	ehntoo: it's out of stock with Mistic Jeff
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00:45:49	austriancoder	hi all
00:46:31	MoosCamaro	hi austriancoder
00:47:17	*	austriancoder updates his gentoo laptop
00:48:01	MoosCamaro	hehe
00:49:17	t0mas	hi austriancoder
00:49:37	t0mas	weren't you working on the fm radio support for iriver?
00:51:33	austriancoder	jep
00:52:19	austriancoder	i should do a commit.. but i haven't that much time the last week
00:52:20	t0mas	how's that going?
00:52:30	austriancoder	i2c stuff is done..
00:52:43	MoosCamaro	:)
00:52:56	t0mas	ah.. and the TEA chip is the same as in archos?
00:53:04	austriancoder	jop
00:53:22	austriancoder	so only driver porting.. that was a fine thing
00:54:36	austriancoder	this weekend is very long 6 days free.. so i think i will commit my stuff at this time
00:54:46	t0mas	:)
00:54:47	t0mas	ok
00:55:10	MoosCamaro	good news, it's so cool :)
00:56:07	austriancoder	it will be cooler if the audio api could be tested ;)
00:56:19	Bagder	tested?
00:56:22	MoosCamaro	hihi :)
00:56:51	Bagder	I've tested it
00:56:54	Bagder	15 seconds
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00:56:58	Bagder	:-)
00:57:04	austriancoder	wow
00:57:36	t0mas	that's 3 times Linus's time ;)
00:57:44	t0mas	Bagder: saw my privmsg?
00:58:07	Bagder	t0mas: it was after Linus and I improved his initial code
00:58:17	Bagder	t0mas: yes, but I cannot comment since I don't know what it means
00:58:23	t0mas	ah ok
00:58:25	Bagder	"my own malloc"
00:58:39	t0mas	simple function to know where in pluginbuffer I am
00:58:47	t0mas	and return subsequent pointers in there
00:58:54	t0mas	or return an error when using to much space
00:59:16	Bagder	in general, you can consider yourself boss over that plugin
00:59:23	Bagder	so you can decide those things
00:59:37	t0mas	yes, but it was you complaining about to much stack ;)
00:59:51	t0mas	so I wanted to know if this would be a good way of solving it
00:59:53	Bagder	I was concerned you'd blow the stack, yes
01:00
01:00:06	Bagder	I don't remember how big it is
01:00:36	Bagder	but sure, it could be a fine way to avoid smashing the stack
01:00:37	t0mas	hm... pretty big
01:01:09	Bagder	#define DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE 0x400 /* Bytes */
01:01:28	t0mas	1kb
01:01:44	t0mas	hm... then I would have blown it... but something saved me :P
01:02:04	t0mas	my new version uses 116 bytes
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01:02:53	Bagder	that define is only the default, some threads have larger
01:03:10	t0mas	ok
01:04:27	t0mas	anybody with an archos around/awake?
01:05:24	webguest70	anybody with rockbox on iriver here?
01:05:41	t0mas	yes
01:05:43	Bagder	I'm off for bed
01:05:44	austriancoder	webguest70: yes
01:05:48	t0mas	good night Bagder
01:05:51	austriancoder	good night
01:06:02	amiconn	t0mas: me
01:06:11	t0mas	ok, have 5 minutes to test?
01:06:13	amiconn	(with archos(es))
01:06:38	amiconn	Sure (although I found another bug, meh)
01:06:43	t0mas	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxDictionary
01:07:13	t0mas	there's the explanation on how to create a datafile..
01:07:32	t0mas	and I'm committing a new version right now :)
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01:09:37	webguest70	damn connection troubel..what i wanted to asked is how i can get rockbox on my iriver ,too? you got a link or something?
01:09:50	t0mas	hmz... are you a developer?
01:10:00	t0mas	or just wanting to play gameboy games?
01:10:12	webguest70	me−−nope..just a user wanting play a little and so on....
01:10:25	webguest70	one of these kiddies
01:10:27	t0mas	wel...
01:10:29	t0mas	see here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot
01:10:39	t0mas	and don't ignore the warnings...
01:11:00	t0mas	make sure the md5 of your update file is the same as one in the wiki..
01:11:18	MoosCamaro	webguest70: rockbox don't play music now
01:11:35	webguest70	i know it doesnt play music now
01:12:05	t0mas	webguest70: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPortForNoobs
01:12:07	t0mas	read that one..
01:12:14	MoosCamaro	if you have few hours free read
01:12:18	t0mas	and this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPortStatusForNoobs
01:12:21	webguest70	thats what i where looking for
01:12:25	t0mas	and then decide if you really want it
01:12:30	webguest70	thanks
01:13:08	t0mas	amiconn: saw my update?
01:13:17	MoosCamaro	warning rockbox is developing
01:13:52	HCl	ugh, hello.
01:14:04	HCl	some of my flatmates are such jerks, especially the gay one..
01:14:05	HCl	sup?
01:14:13	t0mas	lagging?
01:14:24	t0mas	(hi)
01:16:58	amiconn	t0mas: Grabbed it, building datafile...
01:17:05	t0mas	ok, thanks
01:18:01	amiconn	Ugh, the .desc is 16 MB, the .index is 5 MB
01:18:19	t0mas	yes
01:19:49	t0mas	the 16 mb desc is just the data of the input files combined... and the 5 mb index is because of the fixed wordsize..
01:20:40	amiconn	Hmz, that doesn't fit my Ondio as-is.
01:20:49	amiconn	(only 500 KB left)
01:21:58	t0mas	ghehe
01:22:00	t0mas	and recoder?
01:22:11	t0mas	(as I haven't tested on any archos at all)
01:22:27	amiconn	Yes, either I'll do it on my recorder, or throw out some music from the Ondio
01:22:37	amiconn	I found a bug in rdf2binary
01:22:57	amiconn	It uses the wrong mode for the destination files; they end up write-only
01:23:21	amiconn	$ ls -l dict.*
01:23:21	amiconn	−−−−−−−−−− 1 Administrator Kein 17335684 May 3 01:16 dict.desc
01:23:21	amiconn	−−−−−−−−−− 1 Administrator Kein 5216184 May 3 01:16 dict.index
01:23:21	DBUG	Enqueued KICK amiconn
01:23:21	amiconn	-rw-r−−r−− 1 Administrator Kein 19142302 May 3 01:16 dict.preparsed
01:23:34	amiconn	...even no-rights
01:23:43	t0mas	ah
01:23:49	Ctcp	Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
01:23:49	*	t0mas prods Slasheri
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01:24:35	*	amiconn rebuilds current cvs for recorder
01:26:07	amiconn	Mrf.
01:26:56	amiconn	Bugs seem to recurse-multiply themselves :(
01:27:15	HCl	it usually depends on coding style :/
01:30:50	amiconn	t0mas: dict.rock seems to work correctly. It's really quick, almost instantaneous on recorder
01:30:57	amiconn	Only thing missing is scrolling...
01:31:02	t0mas	yes
01:31:14	t0mas	the scrolling thing is on my todo list
01:31:35	t0mas	and it wastes 5 mb of diskspace to be quick :)
01:31:40	t0mas	so it should be ;)
01:31:55	amiconn	Would it be possible to make this optional
01:32:09	amiconn	(so to be able to trade speed for space)
01:32:15	t0mas	hm... it will be _really_ slow without the index
01:32:21	amiconn	Thinking Ondio here...
01:32:32	t0mas	yes, but isn't ondio cpu slower than iriver?
01:32:38	amiconn	Maybe it's slow there anyway; MMC access is sloww
01:32:57	amiconn	CPU is almost identical to recorder, even a little bit faster
01:33:01	t0mas	yes, but we don't need much file access now
01:33:17	amiconn	It just seeks to the necessary position?
01:33:22	t0mas	yes
01:33:25	amiconn	I'll check...
01:33:29	t0mas	check debugf :)
01:33:39	t0mas	searching for testy takes it 14 read's
01:33:51	t0mas	14 * 36 = 504 bytes
01:33:59	t0mas	and then the description from the other file
01:34:08	amiconn	Yes, but the seek() reads the fat
01:34:20	t0mas	hm..
01:34:32	amiconn	I don't know exactly how much overhead that is, let's see
01:34:43	t0mas	but searching through it without the index would require reading the whole file... until we found the right word
01:35:03	amiconn	Reading the whole 16 MB linear would take approx. one minute on Ondio
01:36:01	amiconn	..so this isn't an option imho
01:36:11	amiconn	Let's waste the 5 MB if it pays off
01:36:35	t0mas	:)
01:36:59	t0mas	do you know how struct-packing is working?
01:37:29	amiconn	Usually the members are aligned to member-sized units
01:37:56	t0mas	would it make any sense here?
01:37:58	amiconn	So it's worth to group equally-sized members together
01:38:16	t0mas	so: not usefull here?
01:38:50	amiconn	The alignment must be done, otherwise the SH1 will crash with an CPUAdrErr exception
01:39:27	t0mas	eh?
01:39:55	amiconn	If you want to save space, group the members. 4 times a 'char' , then 4 times a 'long' gets no holes, but ordering them char/long/char/long... produces 4 3-byte holes
01:40:16	t0mas	ah, that's the idea
01:41:25	amiconn	An even better idea is to put the shortest members at the top (char, bool (?? dunno if bool is 1-byte on coldfire too))), then short, the longs and pointers
01:41:54	amiconn	This is not a space optimisation, but a speed optimisation with almost no tradeoffs on SH1
01:42:03	austriancoder	good night all..
01:42:08	t0mas	goodnight
01:42:13	amiconn	austriancoder: night
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01:42:43	t0mas	amiconn? your bug in the file permissions?
01:42:52	t0mas	might that be the open() and write() call's?
01:43:11	t0mas	I changed them to fopen() and fwrite() and everything is working fine here..
01:45:25	amiconn	YOur open() calls are missing the mode (3rd argument; seems to be optional since you got no error)
01:45:42	t0mas	it's not my tool
01:45:50	t0mas	but I changed it to fopen() and fwrite()
01:45:50	amiconn	It seems the mode defaults to 0 (nothing) if left out, at least on cygwin
01:46:28	t0mas	you see any reasons for using write() and open() instead of fwrite() and fopen() ?
01:46:55	MoosCamaro	good night amiconn/t0mas
01:47:01	amiconn	open() and write() are lower level, fopen() etc are higher level
01:47:14	t0mas	MoosCamaro: night
01:47:26	t0mas	amiconn: changing them here doesn't hurt right?
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01:47:46	amiconn	Not on the PC
01:48:10	amiconn	rockbox doesn't provide the f* i/o functions
01:48:35	t0mas	I know, but it's a pc tool :)
01:48:42	t0mas	and I can't see why he used open() and write()
01:49:28	amiconn	I'd personally do the same; this way I wouldn't need to 'switch' thinking
01:49:52	t0mas	from rockbox to pc?
01:50:48	amiconn	yup
01:51:03	amiconn	Tried dict.rock on Ondio. Impressive speed :)
01:51:08	t0mas	but he hasn't coded anything in rockbox yet... afaik
01:51:30	amiconn	Even searching for a word coming late in the alphabet took ~2 sec
01:51:31	t0mas	anyway.. just changed them to fopen() and fwrite()
01:51:41	t0mas	yes, late isn't harder to find
01:51:49	amiconn	It's not?
01:51:52	t0mas	no
01:51:57	amiconn	okay
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01:52:08	t0mas	it starts in the middle, and checks if the searched word is higher or lower
01:52:24	amiconn	Anyway, the point is that even on Ondio it's perfectly usable
01:52:24	t0mas	and then splits that half again, and checks again
01:52:54	t0mas	:D
01:53:04	t0mas	what's the slowest device in the rockbox-family?
01:53:06	t0mas	player?
01:53:09	amiconn	Nope
01:53:40	amiconn	CPU-wise the recorders are slowest (11.0592 MHz). Player and Ondio are equal cpu-wise (12 MHz)
01:53:49	t0mas	ah ok
01:53:58	t0mas	so ondio has a disadvantage here?
01:54:01	amiconn	Then Ondio has that sloow disk access
01:54:09	t0mas	yes, that's what I ment
01:54:37	amiconn	The MMC is hooked up to the SH1 SPI, which can do max. 3 Mbit/s at 12 MHz
01:54:39	t0mas	well... 2 seconds isn't a problem :)
01:55:00	amiconn	..and it needs bitswap because of the braindead spi implementation of the SH1
01:55:04	t0mas	5 or more would get annoying... but is still faster than a nokia phone :P
01:55:11	amiconn	yup
01:55:37	amiconn	Real-world read speed from an MMC is around 300 Kbyte/s
01:56:03	t0mas	ah
01:56:11	amiconn	(with all threads yield()ing sufficiently fast)
01:56:37	t0mas	5mb / 300 kb = 17 seconds for reading the index...
01:56:42	t0mas	oh wait
01:56:54	t0mas	for lineair search it would need to read the full 17 mb
01:57:04	amiconn	yus
01:57:13	amiconn	As I said, ~1 minute
01:57:38	t0mas	then I can't thing of a better way atm
01:57:56	t0mas	the index can be a little smaller... when changing the WORDLEN define..
01:58:07	amiconn	The hd read speed of the disk-based archoses is ~4 MByte/s due to hgihly optimised asm pio transfer routines
01:58:32	t0mas	hm... sounds not really fast for a HD
01:58:38	t0mas	but I guess that's the cpu limit>
01:58:42	amiconn	yup
01:58:54	amiconn	This time no itswap is needed, but endian swap
01:59:05	amiconn	Otherwise we would use DMA of course
01:59:18	t0mas	endian swap?
01:59:38	t0mas	all read data needs to be swapped? :\|
01:59:44	amiconn	Yes. ATA is little endian (guess why), but the SH is big endian
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02:00:01	amiconn	The iriver does that in hardware
02:00:05	t0mas	damn...
02:00:12	amiconn	All read data and all write data needs to be swapped
02:00:19	t0mas	ah, iriver did something right in the design :)
02:01:18	amiconn	The swap itself is not too costly; only it doesn't allow us to use DMA
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02:02:12	amiconn	The SH1 does have special instructions for swapping 2 bytes (and 2 words) of a register
02:02:47	t0mas	ah
02:03:36	*	t0mas still has a lot to learn about ASM on the targets...
02:03:51	t0mas	and bit/byte swapping and magic in general...
02:03:56	t0mas	as I never did that before rockbox
02:04:17	amiconn	See ata.c, lines 382ff and 690ff. I once wrote that stuff
02:05:25	*	t0mas notes in his rockbox info .txt
02:05:33	t0mas	something to read when I have some spare time
02:05:40	amiconn	:)
02:05:58	amiconn	The spare time thing is a strange one...
02:06:09	t0mas	yes, not happening a lot :)
02:06:56	amiconn	I could test dict.rock on the player as well, but that one really needs scrolling...
02:07:07	t0mas	yes, just two lines?
02:07:10	amiconn	2 lines with 11 chars each are not too much
02:07:19	t0mas	(it doesn't display the searched word when you have < 4 lines)
02:07:48	t0mas	but still... 2x11 is to small :)
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02:10:43	Quelsaruk	nite
02:11:05	t0mas	hi
02:11:31	Quelsaruk	:)
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02:13:22	amiconn	hi Quelsaruk
02:14:59	Quelsaruk	hi amiconn!
02:15:08	Quelsaruk	i've been away long time
02:15:10	Quelsaruk	:)
02:15:20	Quelsaruk	shouldn't you been sleeping?
02:18:36	*	t0mas should be sleeping...
02:18:45	t0mas	should've been for a few hours already...
02:18:50	t0mas	as I have to get up early tomorrow...
02:18:52	t0mas	so good night
02:18:54	amiconn	t0mas: It's working on player too (only that I can merely read the first 2 words or so)
02:19:06	t0mas	amiconn: thanks for all the testing :)
02:19:10	t0mas	how fast is it on player?
02:19:15	t0mas	1-2 seconds too?
02:19:20	amiconn	yups
02:19:27	amiconn	Most of the time is the disk spinup
02:19:30	t0mas	ok, then the next thing is scrolling :)
02:19:38	amiconn	My player has that dreaded Hitachi disk
02:19:38	t0mas	ghehe... raise the timeout... and type faster :P
02:20:03	amiconn	The virtual keyboard is a bit slower to use on player too
02:20:08	t0mas	yeah
02:20:10	amiconn	Remember: only 2 lines...
02:20:12	t0mas	saw that in simulator
02:20:19	amiconn	Ah, yes
02:20:22	t0mas	with the disk spinning on iriver it's < 1 sec
02:20:39	amiconn	I guess it's the same on the jukeboxes
02:20:50	amiconn	I have my disk timeout set to 5 sec
02:20:51	t0mas	thinkso
02:20:57	t0mas	ah, I have 10 to 20
02:21:10	t0mas	don't know for sure...
02:23:00	t0mas	but I'm away... sleeping :)
02:23:01	amiconn	A suggestion for better behaviour: check the existence of the .index and the .desc before opening the input screen
02:23:04	t0mas	see you tomorrow
02:23:21	t0mas	yes, to avoid typing for nothing? :)
02:23:24	amiconn	yups
02:23:30	amiconn	Anyway, g'night
02:23:33	t0mas	tnx
02:23:36	t0mas	good night
02:24:20	Quelsaruk	good night t0mas
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08:31:18	amiconn	morning
08:32:06	Rick	morning
08:32:10	Rick	rather, morning-evening
08:32:10	Rick	;p
08:35:12	amiconn	:)
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09:18:48	bobTHC	hi folks !
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09:22:32	Rick	hi
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09:28:21	Bagder	t0mas: open() caused problems because you only used two arguments
09:28:29	Bagder	int open(const char *pathname, int flags, mode_t mode);
09:38:15	Rick	what is mode_t mode?
09:38:28	Rick	or flags
09:38:40	Bagder	flags is the O_ things
09:38:45	Rick	yeah
09:38:48	Rick	that was there before
09:38:51	Rick	but what's mode_t mode?
09:38:51	Bagder	mode is *nix for what permissions to set
09:38:57	Rick	er
09:39:23	Rick	correct me if i'm wrong (i'm tired), but arn't we using fat32?
09:39:39	Bagder	on target, yes
09:39:53	Bagder	but not when the sim runs
09:40:01	Rick	oh, true that
09:40:30	Rick	although I don't see why you would add a mode to the file api of rockbox
09:40:33	Rick	to fix that
09:40:41	Bagder	no
09:40:49	Bagder	but t0mas problem was in a tool made for the host
09:40:54	Rick	oh
09:40:56	Rick	ok ;p
09:40:59	Bagder	:-)
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09:43:17	Zagor	hey fellas
09:43:22	bobTHC	hi mate !
09:43:35	Bagder	morning
09:44:45	Zagor	have you heard the latest silly anti-GPL suit?
09:44:46	*	Bagder 's sound is gone today...!
09:45:28	Zagor	it
09:45:38	Zagor	's a laugh
09:45:58	Zagor	Bagder: been fiddling with your kernel?
09:46:08	Bagder	nopes
09:46:14	dwihno	anti-GPL?
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09:47:13	Zagor	dwihno: yeah, someone's complaining "you're giving stuff away free! then people won't buy things from me! unfair! unfair!"
09:47:42	Bagder	americans ;-)
09:47:46	Zagor	yeah
09:47:47	*	Bagder ducks
09:48:04	dwihno	:)
09:48:11	dwihno	sillyness!
09:49:50	Bagder	yday, a large virus batch was sent using my from email address
09:49:58	Bagder	I say large
09:50:00	Zagor	ooh, fun for the whole family
09:50:12	Bagder	~2000 bounces and counting
09:50:30	Zagor	any hate mail yet?
09:50:51	Bagder	probably, I throw them all together and delete
09:54:10	Bagder	seen http://testadatorn.se/ ?
09:54:29	Bagder	neat little thing
09:55:00	Bagder	(for those who understand swedish)
09:56:21	bobTHC	he which kind of test is it ?
09:56:23	bobTHC	sec ?
09:56:26	Bagder	yes
09:56:33	Bagder	it runs nesses on your machine
09:56:36	Bagder	nessus
09:56:41	bobTHC	nice
09:56:45	Bagder	and presents or emails the results back
09:56:46	Zagor	indeed
09:57:22	bobTHC	good servlet usage
09:57:59	Zagor	"Tyv�rr var det inte m�jligt att testa s�kerheten p� din dator. Det kan bero p� f�ljande saker: Din dator st�ngdes av under tiden testet genomf�rdes. Internetuppkopplingen mellan testverktyget och din dator avbr�ts."
09:58:09	Bagder	haha
09:58:13	Zagor	odd
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10:00:39	dwihno	The obvious: You don't have any computer security whatsoever ;)
10:02:24	Zagor	Do I need a computer for this?
10:03:03	*	Zagor just got Hare Krishna spam
10:03:06	bobTHC	"Unfortunately each the not possible to test the security on your computer. The can depend on the following things: Your computer was shut down meanwhile the test was implemented. The the Internet connection the average physical tool and your computer was aborted"
10:03:41	bobTHC	raw translation of course
10:03:43	bobTHC	:)
10:07:20	Bagder	more coffee needed
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10:12:02	Bagder	"The remote host answers to an ICMP timestamp request. This allows an attacker
10:12:03	Bagder	to know the date which is set on your machine. "
10:12:09	Bagder	:-)
10:12:19	Bagder	information leakage
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10:12:49	Bagder	somehow I'd say they could estimate that pretty good anyway
10:13:31	Rick	what is nessus?
10:14:01	bobTHC	nessus is a famous sec audit tools
10:14:10	Rick	ah
10:14:16	Bagder	it is Your Friend ;-)
10:14:21	Rick	nah
10:14:25	bobTHC	hehe
10:14:27	Rick	I don't need any auditing applications
10:14:35	Rick	being behind my router is enough
10:14:36	Rick	;P
10:14:55	Rick	not like I care if someone knows what time it is on my box
10:14:56	Rick	;P
10:16:18	bobTHC	lol, and u think your router avoid any flaw ?
10:16:33	Rick	Of course not
10:16:36	Bagder	what, routers can have flaws?
10:16:39	Bagder	:-P
10:16:40	Rick	But
10:16:43	Rick	i'm not that stupid
10:16:45	Rick	;P
10:17:11	Bagder	it seems "Firewall ECE-bit bypass" is the most common high risk of the tests
10:17:15	Bagder	made by that service
10:18:01	Bagder	(The remote host seems vulnerable to a bug wherein a remote attacker can circumvent the firewall by setting the ECE bit within the TCP flags field)
10:18:43	Rick	'the firewall'?
10:19:12	Zagor	Bagder: interesting. it didn't say that for me.
10:19:29	Bagder	Zagor: and you allow it too?
10:20:03	Zagor	no idea :-)
10:20:24	Zagor	i guess my router disallows it by default
10:20:32	Bagder	I allow some icmp stuff
10:20:59	bobTHC	zagor > it's a brick or concrete wall ? ;)
10:21:14	Zagor	paper, mostly :-)
10:22:07	bobTHC	it seems to be at least cardboard ;)
10:22:17	Rick	cardboard is paper
10:22:17	Rick	;p
10:22:37	bobTHC	yes but a little bit solid
10:22:48	Zagor	i get the icmp timestamp warning, but no other icmp issues
10:23:03	Bagder	me neither, only the timestamp thing
10:23:20	Zagor	it did find a freaking VIRUS on my wifes laptop though...
10:23:20	Bagder	rather harmless
10:23:27	Bagder	wow
10:24:03	Bagder	I noticed it has a warning it can show that goes like "copyright protected material possibly found"... :-)
10:24:16	Zagor	lol
10:27:04	Zagor	strange test. all mp3,asf,mpg,mpeg and ogg files trigger it.
10:27:23	Zagor	http://cvsweb.nessus.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/nessus-plugins/scripts/www_hosting_copyrighted_material.nasl?content-type=text/plain
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10:28:24	Zagor	lovely bug: "UDP packets with source port of 53 bypass firewall rules"
10:28:33	Bagder	very common thing
10:28:54	Bagder	since it is for dns lookups
10:34:21	amiconn	t0mas: r u there?
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10:36:59	ashridah	Bagder: it doesn't have to be, however. you can force dns servers to not use that port as the source. i don't think i've run into any instances where i've had trouble with it.
10:37:16	Bagder	yes, and you can limit to only accept that from certain hosts
10:37:35	Bagder	that's still the reason why so many allow it
10:53:38	Zagor	bah, the virus warning was a false alarm. it will trigger on any auth server.
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11:14:50	t0mas	amiconn: I am now :)
11:15:17	amiconn	I have two more suggestions for the dictionary plugin
11:15:39	t0mas	ok, just dump them in my privmsg next time ;)
11:16:11	amiconn	(1) The max. word length could be defined in the index header. This way the index is only as large as it needs to be for the current dictionary
11:17:00	amiconn	(2) Imho it would be better to combine the two files into one. This avoids the situation where the .index is there, but the .desc is missing
11:17:13	t0mas	ok, both was something I have tought of...
11:17:20	t0mas	was -> are
11:17:24	amiconn	The file could then look something like this:
11:17:51	t0mas	but (1): the reading will be much more difficult... but I can try...
11:18:29	t0mas	(2) that's not a problem... but the rdf2binary tool should buffer and then calculate the offset... using a lot more memory
11:18:30	amiconn	(header (MAGIC, version, max_word_length, pointer_to_start_of_descs)) (index n*(index_entry)) (descs)
11:19:02	t0mas	yes, and index_entry is max_word + 4 now
11:19:03	amiconn	Why would reading be much more difficult if the max. word length is variable?
11:19:24	t0mas	err... no... wait.. I see :)
11:19:32	amiconn	Only thing is that max_word is no longer constant
11:19:42	t0mas	yes, so the struct can't be used...
11:19:51	amiconn	??
11:20:09	t0mas	the max word len is in the struct
11:20:47	t0mas	or can I define a struct at runtime?
11:21:00	t0mas	after reading the word_len?
11:24:10	amiconn	You can't define the struct at runtime, but you can do the following:
11:24:32	t0mas	read(word_len); read(4)
11:24:35	t0mas	read separate?
11:24:46	amiconn	(1) Put the string at the end of your struct, and define it as a zero-length array (!)
11:25:03	t0mas	err?
11:25:10	Bagder	or a one-byte if you want it ansi clean
11:25:47	amiconn	The only thing that does need changing is that sizeof(struct) doesn't give you the length of an index entry any more, you need to use sizeof(struct)+max_word instead
11:26:01	t0mas	ok
11:26:10	amiconn	Zero-length arrays: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.4.3/gcc/Zero-Length.html#Zero-Length
11:26:34	amiconn	"They are very useful as the last element of a structure which is really a header for a variable-length object:" </quote>
11:26:38	Bagder	I don't think we should be using gcc extensions
11:26:39	t0mas	hm... but when defining the struct with a 0 byte array... I still need to malloc() right?
11:26:58	amiconn	yup
11:26:59	t0mas	otherwise I'll overwrite some other mem... after the struct
11:27:41	amiconn	Bagder: Why not? We're already doing that is some other places
11:28:44	Bagder	I don't like it anyway
11:28:52	Bagder	since I don't want us locked in with gcc
11:29:27	Bagder	at least not more than we need to
11:30:14	amiconn	We could also use a C99 flexible array member here, but that renders sizeof() non-working
11:31:03	t0mas	why not use 1 byte/
11:31:25	t0mas	sizeof(struct) + max_word - 1
11:31:31	amiconn	You could do that, but then you always have to take this 1 into accout
11:31:45	t0mas	yeah, but it would be ansi compatible..
11:31:51	amiconn	yes...
11:31:56	t0mas	wich is a good thing if you ask me...
11:32:58	t0mas	but I'm away again...have to finish some things before lunch break
11:34:07	amiconn	Personally I wouldn't care that much. (1) We're already using numerous gnu extensions (__atrribute__, asm() with operands etc) (2) Using it here would make the code easier to read
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13:06:30	Bagder	hi Linus
13:07:41	LinusN	hi
13:08:49	*	LinusN just had lunch with Bj�rn
13:09:06	amiconn	hi LinusN
13:09:13	LinusN	hi
13:11:00	MoosCamaro	hi Linus
13:15:40	t0mas	Björn == Brön Stenberg == Zagor?
13:15:52	t0mas	or am I mixing some names now? :)
13:15:58	Bagder	that's correct
13:16:12	t0mas	and is he familiy of you Bagder?
13:16:16	Bagder	except that linus spoke iso8859-1 and you spoke utf8 ;-)
13:16:25	Bagder	he's my brother
13:16:29	t0mas	ah ok
13:17:24	*	LinusN has to reboot
13:17:28	t0mas	bye
13:17:33	LinusN	cu soon
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13:21:03	MoosCamaro	hi t0mas: the brothers Stenberg are cofondater with Linus... of rockbox
13:21:24	t0mas	yes, I knew they were project admin and things like that... on sourceforge
13:21:32	t0mas	but I wasn't sure if they were familiy :)
13:21:50	Bagder	http://daniel.haxx.se/m3.html <= a crappy picture of us three
13:22:27	t0mas	from left to right?
13:22:39	Bagder	me, Linus, Bj�rn
13:22:42	t0mas	middle one is Linus? (guessing)
13:23:01	MoosCamaro	left Daniel
13:23:08	MoosCamaro	oops Bagder
13:23:16	MoosCamaro	right Zagor
13:24:58	t0mas	ghehe... and Bagder wrote curl/c-ares :)
13:25:07	t0mas	recognized his name a few weeks ago somewhere :)
13:25:20	Bagder	keeping myself busy
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13:35:39	LinusN	thx
13:38:03	MoosCamaro	hi LinusN,congratulations for your new car:), scuse me for this question, but have you any news about MP3 playback please?
13:39:26	LinusN	i've been on vacation, and also busy with other stuff
13:39:32	LinusN	so i have no news...
13:40:11	Bagder	getting slightly longer than 15 seconds should not be too distant though
13:40:17	LinusN	hehe
13:40:29	LinusN	16-17 maybe :-)
13:40:40	Bagder	should be enough for everyone!
13:41:05	Bagder	we can just ask everyone to chop up their songs in 16 second parts
13:41:11	Bagder	:-P
13:41:16	LinusN	we can develop a script
13:41:21	MoosCamaro	LinusN: a ok thanks and i wish you good vacation :)
13:41:31	Bagder	pop-chop
13:41:49	t0mas	nice idea Bagder :P
13:42:03	t0mas	cut everything in 15 sec. parts... and put it in a playlist
13:42:14	Bagder	then shuffle
13:42:15	amiconn	..and play it shuffled? ;)
13:42:17	t0mas	yes
13:42:21	t0mas	that's the best :P
13:42:28	Bagder	we can call it Shuffle Extreme
13:42:37	Bagder	and add it as a feature
13:42:39	t0mas	new feature! :D
13:43:36	t0mas	rasher should put it on the news ;) "New rockbox feature! Exteme Shuffel!" "ES is now availible on iriver, with the right tools you can even implement it on other mp3 players!"
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13:47:59	rasher	speaking of the news, it's still broken
13:48:02	rasher	I think
13:48:36	rasher	oh, no nevermind
13:48:46	rasher	just the rss feed because of some illegal utf8
13:49:02	Bagder	ah
13:49:12	Bagder	the rssify.pl script
13:49:21	rasher	or rather, something un-utf8
13:49:31	rasher	or.. something
13:49:49	t0mas	amiconn?
13:49:56	t0mas	that MAGIC thing in the header...
13:49:57	*	LinusN is so happy, he gets lots and lots of emails :-)
13:50:00	t0mas	what type should it have?
13:50:38	t0mas	LinusN: interesting emails? or fanmail? ;)
13:50:50	LinusN	virus bounces
13:51:01	LinusN	hundreds and hundreds
13:51:09	t0mas	ah, hate those...
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13:51:21	rasher	Yeah, I get a steady stream of about 50 of those per day
13:51:34	t0mas	W32/Sober.p
13:51:37	t0mas	that one LinusN/
13:51:44	LinusN	yup
13:51:49	*	t0mas has that one too :x
13:52:05	LinusN	you're infected?
13:52:26	t0mas	no, in my mail ;)
13:52:30	LinusN	ah
13:52:35	t0mas	linux can't be infected afaik
13:52:53	ashridah	t0mas: run it in wine
13:52:54	amiconn	t0mas: Usually the magic is a long, perhaps using only 3 bytes for the magic and one byte for the version
13:53:21	t0mas	I did run some of those email things in vmware sometime...
13:53:33	*	rasher wanders off to send an old laptop he sold
13:53:33	t0mas	cutted off the internet... sniffing what they did :)
13:54:41	t0mas	LinusN?
13:54:47	t0mas	you have procmail?
13:54:53	t0mas	or something alike?
13:55:03	t0mas	the messages always have an attachment named like this:
13:55:03	t0mas	autoemail-text.zip, LOL.zip, mail_info.zip, okTicket-info.zip, Fifa_Info-Text.zip, account_info.zip
13:55:14	t0mas	and the size is always ~73 kb
13:55:21	t0mas	so filtering isn't difficult :)
13:55:25	LinusN	yeah, i'm editing my procmail filter now
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14:29:13	t0mas	amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxDictionary#The_improved_binary_format
14:29:51	t0mas	that's how I understand your idea... please correct me if I see something wrong
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14:42:47	t0mas	wb all :)
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14:46:03	amiconn	t0mas: Just two small remarks: (1) How do you know how many index entries exist? You can no longer deduce it from the file size with the new format
14:46:34	amiconn	(2) The global offset to the descriptions is probably unnecessary
14:47:06	amiconn	I'd suggest replacing the pointer to start of descriptions with a word count field
14:47:32	amiconn	The indices to the descriptions (in the index part) would then be relative to the start of the whole file
14:48:56	t0mas	hm... sounds good
14:50:23	elinenbe	http://ipodlinux.org/User:Coob
14:50:42	elinenbe	Ported cube.c from rockbox (http://rockbox.org) - a spinning 3D cube (now in CVS)
14:51:19	Bagder	there's a video of that too somewhere
14:51:20	t0mas	yes
14:51:29	t0mas	amiconn: changed :)
14:51:52	rasher	on the screenshots page
14:56:11	amiconn	elinenbe: I know... want to port that back to rockbox
14:56:19	amiconn	(the greyscale extension)
14:56:45	muesli-	btw: is there a greyscale patch?
14:56:51	Bagder	muesli-: yes
14:56:59	Bagder	see the patch tracker
14:57:09	muesli-	uhm, sorry?
14:57:16	muesli-	where do i find it
14:58:51	t0mas	sourceforge
14:59:07	t0mas	http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=44306&atid=439120
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15:02:40	muesli-	http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1162865&group_id=44306&atid=439120
15:02:53	muesli-	there's file called gray.patch
15:03:04	muesli-	what do i do with it?
15:03:20	Bagder	read this http://www.rockbox.org/docs/patch.html
15:03:55	t0mas	hm... when in usb mode... what can rockbox still do?
15:04:02	t0mas	everything except hd access?
15:04:07	Bagder	t0mas: everything
15:04:10	rasher	depends on the device I guess
15:04:19	t0mas	Bagder: including hd access?
15:04:23	Bagder	no, excluding that
15:04:26	t0mas	ok
15:04:29	rasher	Heh
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15:05:15	Bagder	the iriver has the same usb chip as the newer archoses do
15:10:38	muesli-	l8er...
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15:24:31	ashridah	heh. you could load elevator music :)
15:25:09	ashridah	have some crappy tune of the girl from ipanema or whatever it is driving people nuts
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16:51:06	t0mas	Bagder? you wrote the old memory allocation system in rockbox?
16:51:15	Bagder	yes
16:51:56	t0mas	why was it removed?
16:52:04	t0mas	is there a mailinglist thread about it?
16:52:08	Bagder	becase we don't need or want it
16:52:29	Bagder	we've discussed adding one for pure plugin use though
16:53:26	t0mas	hm.. using the pluginbuffer?
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16:53:48	Bagder	using whatever buffer I guess
16:54:27	Bagder	http://daniel.haxx.se/projects/dbestfit/
16:55:14	Bagder	I'm off, see ya around
16:55:39	t0mas	bye
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23:18:14	stripwax_	ello
23:18:23	Bagder	hi ho
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23:19:20	Patr3ck	hi
23:19:49	stripwax	How's things
23:20:01	Patr3ck	i am wondering what the new dictionary plugin will do?
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23:20:37	Bagder	see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxDictionary
23:21:33	Patr3ck	I have read this, but have still no clue what it will be used for ;-)
23:21:36	CoCoLUS	well
23:21:44	CoCoLUS	it's a dictionary?
23:21:48	Bagder	yes
23:21:58	CoCoLUS	like in those portable translators
23:21:59	Bagder	or rather, for looking up words in a dictionary
23:22:01	Patr3ck	like english -> german
23:22:15	Patr3ck	ah I see, a Duden (in german)
23:22:17	Bagder	if you want, yes
23:22:23	CoCoLUS	jo, duden ;)
23:22:29	Bagder	or "word => explanation of word"
23:22:57	Patr3ck	I had a different (wild) idea what it could be :-)
23:23:21	Patr3ck	when entering a search term to complete it
23:24:58	stripwax	Has anyone built a bootloader for iRiver using the latest (13-day-old) cvs? if so, does it make any difference?
23:26:23	Bagder	difference compared to what?
23:26:34	stripwax	Um, the previous version?
23:26:55	CoCoLUS	patr3ck, like t9 on mobiles?
23:27:14	Bagder	I don't know of any versions in bootloaders
23:28:00	Patr3ck	I don't know t9, but it could be usefull if the dictionary would be artist names, song names, etc
23:28:02	stripwax	I mean, does the commit made 13 days ago make any difference to compatibility / anything?
23:28:31	Bagder	ah, that
23:28:42	Bagder	yes, it makes a difference if you use more than 16MB of ram
23:28:52	Patr3ck	button click, complete a partial entered word ;-)
23:28:56	Bagder	which the sound playback tests do
23:29:03	Patr3ck	so many ideas...
23:30:43	stripwax	Bagder .. ah- thanks. Makes sense. I'm guessing it doesn't affect/fix compatibility w 1.65, has anything more been found out about the ogg playback problem?
23:31:15	Bagder	stripwax: nothing's found, but Linus has an idea to test
23:32:19	stripwax	Bagder oh, what's the idea
23:32:46	Bagder	I'm not sure, and I'd rather not repeat my skewed idea of it since it might be wrong
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