| 00:00:24 | [IDC]Dragon | so I need to hack the lib copilation, what a pity |
| 00:00:46 | [IDC]Dragon | I hoped to get away just with changes in my makefile |
| 00:01:21 | [IDC]Dragon | I should be able to pass compile options to the lib, right? |
| 00:01:43 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:01:49 | Bagder | use the EXTRA_DEFINES |
| 00:01:53 | | Part Domonoky |
| 00:02:12 | Bagder | (which could be named EXTRA_CFLAGS) |
| 00:03:11 | [IDC]Dragon | hmm, I added to CFLAGS just below that |
| 00:03:37 | [IDC]Dragon | so it should be passed to the firmware make |
| 00:03:50 | [IDC]Dragon | CFLAGS = $(GCCOPTS) $(INCLUDES) $(TARGET) $(DEFINES)\ |
| 00:03:51 | [IDC]Dragon | -DAPPSVERSION=\"$(VERSION)\" $(EXTRA_DEFINES) -DMEM=${MEMORYSIZE} |
| 00:03:51 | [IDC]Dragon | CFLAGS += -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections |
| 00:04:11 | [IDC]Dragon | with the last line being my new stuff |
| 00:04:51 | * | [IDC]Dragon peeks into the firmware makefile |
| 00:05:43 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, it starts with a new CFLAGS |
| 00:06:07 | Bagder | yeps, but uses EXTRA_DEFINES in there... |
| 00:06:23 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, I understand now |
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| 00:09:52 | [IDC]Dragon | hmm, same effect: sections for the non-lib code only |
| 00:10:04 | [IDC]Dragon | and those start at zero |
| 00:10:26 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: My new bitfield handling now saves 160 bytes for the jukeboxes, and 216 bytes for Ondio |
| 00:10:56 | [IDC]Dragon | it's a start |
| 00:12:11 | amiconn | Did you change the .lds? |
| 00:12:57 | [IDC]Dragon | no |
| 00:13:07 | amiconn | You need to |
| 00:13:22 | [IDC]Dragon | wildcard, I see |
| 00:13:25 | amiconn | Then it's obvious why your sections end up at zero |
| 00:13:28 | amiconn | yes |
| 00:13:33 | amiconn | Like in my example |
| 00:13:52 | [IDC]Dragon | we could generally do so |
| 00:14:47 | Bagder | Rüdesheim far away from you guys? ;-) |
| 00:14:52 | [IDC]Dragon | first I need to find out why no effect to the lib code |
| 00:15:07 | [IDC]Dragon | Bagder: yes |
| 00:15:16 | Bagder | we're going there in september |
| 00:15:33 | [IDC]Dragon | nice, for wine? |
| 00:15:46 | Bagder | company conference stuff |
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| 00:16:05 | [IDC]Dragon | I take that as a yes ;-) |
| 00:16:11 | Bagder | hehe |
| 00:17:03 | [IDC]Dragon | tell me if you stopover in Hannover |
| 00:17:19 | amiconn | ..or me if you do so in Berlin ;) |
| 00:19:35 | t0mas | ah, and if anybody goes cheese hunting in Gouda ;) ;) |
| 00:19:55 | t0mas | or Amsterdam... or Utrecht... or whatever dutch city... as all are close :P |
| 00:20:10 | * | [IDC]Dragon walks to the fridge for cheese |
| 00:20:28 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: And remember: it's Hanover in english :P |
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| 00:21:09 | Bagder | time for sleeeeep |
| 00:21:21 | [IDC]Dragon | what's KEEP(*(.entry)) good for? |
| 00:21:37 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, the root |
| 00:21:52 | amiconn | yups |
| 00:22:04 | amiconn | (for plugins) |
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| 00:30:30 | * | [IDC]Dragon gives up |
| 00:32:18 | amiconn | Bitfield code committed |
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| 00:38:56 | amiconn | Bagder: wiki diff'ing doesn't alwayswork correctly |
| 00:39:07 | amiconn | *always work |
| 00:44:05 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: I think my bit code was more complex because it was working on byte units, too |
| 00:44:18 | amiconn | ? |
| 00:44:36 | [IDC]Dragon | preventing endian incompatibility |
| 00:45:11 | [IDC]Dragon | it was fetching bytes instead of 32 bit |
| 00:45:27 | [IDC]Dragon | but not in rockbox |
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| 00:46:46 | amiconn | (1) It didn't do that as included in rockbox (2) It's not even necessary in rockbox |
| 00:46:52 | [IDC]Dragon | mmc doesn not cross border, so no change for you there? |
| 00:47:18 | amiconn | MMC does cross border, but it was the right way 'round from the start |
| 00:47:33 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: yes, I was just explaining the legacy |
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| 00:47:50 | amiconn | (otherwise it wouldn't work at all as it is used for a data structure defined by the MMC spec, not by us) |
| 00:48:10 | amiconn | The settings will always be read by the same CPU with the same endianess which wrote them |
| 00:48:22 | [IDC]Dragon | ok, I thought your code switched the order |
| 00:48:39 | [IDC]Dragon | I understand |
| 00:48:55 | amiconn | It switched the order for settings.c, which counted from bit 0 |
| 00:49:01 | amiconn | MMC counts from MSB |
| 00:49:53 | * | t0mas is away: sleep(HZ * 28800); |
| 00:50:16 | amiconn | t0mas: rather much ;) |
| 00:50:26 | t0mas | 8 hours? |
| 00:50:35 | t0mas | have to get up around 9 tomorrow :P |
| 00:50:47 | amiconn | I know that it's 8 hours |
| 00:51:10 | t0mas | ofcourse you do :) |
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| 00:54:42 | [IDC]Dragon | hehe, what a rockbox way of saying goodnight |
| 00:55:21 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Hmm, I notice that mmc_extract_bits is only correct for big endian (like before though) |
| 00:55:51 | [IDC]Dragon | that's ok |
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| 00:56:02 | * | [IDC]Dragon says goodnight, too |
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| 00:56:09 | amiconn | nightey |
| 00:56:33 | preglow | coffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffee |
| 00:56:49 | amiconn | no beer? ;) |
| 00:57:00 | preglow | unfortunately, no |
| 00:57:09 | * | amiconn had a beer recently |
| 00:57:17 | preglow | and beer usually doesn't do much to wake me up, heh |
| 00:57:25 | amiconn | true |
| 00:57:52 | preglow | woot, new binutils |
| 00:58:06 | amiconn | t'was about time... |
| 00:58:18 | preglow | aye, most certainly |
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| 01:30:15 | HCl | sleeeep |
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| 01:33:15 | cool2bdave | Hi I am trying to decompress my first rockbox source is tar xvf rockbox-daily-20050504.tar.tar wrong? |
| 01:36:35 | Rick | .tar.tar? |
| 01:37:33 | cool2bdave | that is what it downloaded as, I changed it to tar.gz but had no luck |
| 01:37:49 | Rick | odd |
| 01:39:04 | cool2bdave | It does not seem to be recognised as a tar archive |
| 01:39:47 | | Part MoosCamaro |
| 01:39:57 | cool2bdave | I have an old copy of cygwin and just installed blue chips dev kit, but no luck |
| 01:41:58 | rasher_ | could be your browser de-gzipped it |
| 01:42:05 | rasher_ | try renaming to .tar |
| 01:43:34 | cool2bdave | no it still does not look likea valid archive |
| 01:45:18 | cool2bdave | I am new to Cygwin could I be doing something wrong |
| 01:53:06 | amiconn | Try renaming it as .tar.gz and the tar xvfz rockbox-daily-20050504.tar.gz |
| 01:55:20 | amiconn | *then |
| 01:55:35 | cool2bdave | bingo |
| 01:55:43 | cool2bdave | it is working |
| 01:56:16 | amiconn | What browser did you use for downloading? My guess is that you used IE |
| 01:56:46 | cool2bdave | yep |
| 01:57:39 | amiconn | IE sometimes changes file extensions to what it 'thinks' is the correct one |
| 01:58:38 | cool2bdave | thanks so much |
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| 10:21:18 | t0mas | morning |
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| 10:22:36 | t0mas | hm... little empty here... 35 users... |
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| 10:30:20 | amiconn | morning |
| 10:30:58 | * | t0mas is really stupid sometimes... |
| 10:31:11 | t0mas | set my alarm clock to 8:30 yesterday evening... |
| 10:31:33 | t0mas | this morning the thing started beeping... and I realised it's 05-05-05 |
| 10:31:36 | t0mas | wich is a day off here :X |
| 10:32:53 | amiconn | Same here |
| 10:32:56 | rasher_ | and here |
| 10:33:26 | t0mas | germany and? norway? |
| 10:33:38 | * | rasher_ draws purdy diagrams of finite automata |
| 10:33:40 | rasher_ | denmark |
| 10:34:00 | t0mas | ok |
| 10:35:38 | t0mas | errr... anybody read about that google prpxy? |
| 10:35:42 | t0mas | *proxy |
| 10:35:49 | odd | ??? |
| 10:35:54 | t0mas | sounds like a new privacy breach again... |
| 10:37:17 | odd | oh you mean about them locally redirecting outgoing links to search results? |
| 10:37:26 | odd | i noticed that last week when they first started on my own |
| 10:37:28 | t0mas | no |
| 10:37:28 | ashridah | rasher_: played with JFLAP? |
| 10:37:36 | odd | then what do you mean? |
| 10:37:42 | t0mas | a realy proxy server... |
| 10:37:46 | t0mas | it's new |
| 10:37:54 | odd | link? |
| 10:37:56 | t0mas | labs.google.com |
| 10:38:08 | t0mas | and if you can read dutch: http://www.srozekrans.nl/nieuwskracht/technologie/bezorgdheid-over-google-proxy/ |
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| 10:38:35 | t0mas | web accelerator |
| 10:38:42 | t0mas | is what they called it |
| 10:39:00 | odd | ah |
| 10:39:01 | rasher_ | Well it is |
| 10:39:06 | | Nick rasher_ is now known as rasher (rasher@zork.zork.net) |
| 10:39:19 | rasher | There has to be some gain for the user |
| 10:39:32 | rasher | whether or not it's "worth it".. well.. I'll leave that to the user. |
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| 10:39:40 | t0mas | 5% speed up |
| 10:39:41 | t0mas | sometimes :P |
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| 10:40:04 | t0mas | and they keep track of all visited websites + cookies etc.. for you... ofcourse :P |
| 10:43:28 | t0mas | oh LOL |
| 10:43:46 | t0mas | don't use it to login to phpbb forums... as other users will be logged in with the same account |
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| 10:50:45 | rasher | seriously? |
| 10:52:30 | t0mas | yes |
| 10:52:38 | t0mas | read the google groups things about it |
| 10:54:10 | odd | while you're at it go grab a Googlesnack and wipe your ass with some Google Toilet Paper |
| 10:54:32 | odd | (tm) |
| 10:54:59 | * | t0mas doesn't like google.. |
| 10:55:17 | odd | to be honest, i have a lot more respect for them than most corporations |
| 10:55:22 | t0mas | and specially Gmail... scanning my email for ad-words? no thanks... |
| 10:55:40 | odd | all it does is tailor the links along the righthand side |
| 10:55:43 | odd | and it's all automated |
| 10:55:53 | t0mas | and you think they don't record anything? |
| 10:56:00 | odd | i had the same reaction to it at first, until i did the research |
| 10:56:10 | odd | part of their privacy policy is that it will never be seen by a human |
| 10:56:24 | t0mas | isn't needed |
| 10:56:30 | odd | gmail is by far the best free web-based email available |
| 10:56:40 | odd | not just for the space |
| 10:56:43 | t0mas | they keep track of a "profile" of you... |
| 10:56:46 | odd | but it's really brilliantly designed |
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| 10:56:52 | odd | t0mas: that's your Google Profile |
| 10:56:58 | odd | it's the same as any website that uses a global login |
| 10:57:08 | t0mas | lol |
| 10:57:30 | t0mas | they log things about web usage in that proxy thing... and they keep track of what "kind" of email you use |
| 10:57:32 | t0mas | things like that |
| 10:57:44 | odd | i'm sure they do, it's valuable data |
| 10:57:55 | t0mas | in the end they have a very valuable profile... not containing anything from your email... so not illegal |
| 10:58:07 | odd | the former for marketing/demographic purposes, the latter for their own studies about a market they're in with gmail |
| 10:58:31 | t0mas | yes, but I don't like the marketing part |
| 10:58:32 | odd | i don't like it, but i wouldn't call it a "privacy threat" |
| 10:58:56 | t0mas | well... I don't like it either... but still I have gmail ;) |
| 10:59:03 | odd | heh |
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| 10:59:14 | t0mas | gmailFS was just to much fun not to try it :P |
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| 11:00:52 | t0mas | wb amiconn |
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| 11:01:37 | amiconn | tnx |
| 11:01:54 | amiconn | The usual once-per-day disconnect by the provider... |
| 11:03:13 | Rick | hehe |
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| 11:04:52 | t0mas | amiconn: is that a policy??? |
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| 11:05:14 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Heya |
| 11:05:25 | t0mas | hi |
| 11:05:25 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Whats news? |
| 11:05:29 | t0mas | long time ago? |
| 11:05:38 | t0mas | subscribe to cvs mailing ;) |
| 11:05:50 | amiconn | t0mas: Yes; to prevent having the same ip for too long |
| 11:06:04 | t0mas | weird... I have a fixed IP |
| 11:06:07 | DJ_Dooms_Day | lol, get TOO much info then |
| 11:06:17 | t0mas | and I wouldn't like to get disconnected every day... |
| 11:06:32 | DJ_Dooms_Day | HOw has PCM/wav playback been going? |
| 11:07:09 | t0mas | oh ow... |
| 11:07:45 | amiconn | t0mas: I don't know of any isp offering fixed ip accounts for private use in germany |
| 11:07:56 | t0mas | Breaking news: Explosion on british embassy in New York |
| 11:08:03 | t0mas | amiconn: that sucks... |
| 11:08:06 | amiconn | (Fixed, _non-private_ ip, that is) |
| 11:08:09 | odd | wtf? |
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| 11:08:13 | odd | i live in new york |
| 11:08:24 | t0mas | just heard it |
| 11:08:30 | t0mas | it's election day for the brittish |
| 11:09:02 | odd | i know |
| 11:09:09 | odd | doesn't seem ot be in any news outlet that i can find |
| 11:09:11 | odd | what's your source? |
| 11:09:33 | t0mas | dutch news site |
| 11:09:36 | odd | hmm |
| 11:09:37 | amiconn | t0mas: internat via cable networks is usually worse here. You get NATted by the isp... |
| 11:10:04 | amiconn | Having a non-fiex, but official ip isn't too bad. That's what dyndns is for... |
| 11:10:28 | * | amiconn seems to have spelling problems |
| 11:10:38 | odd | wow amiconn that's terrible |
| 11:10:57 | odd | how can they get away with charging people for NATed connections? |
| 11:11:42 | t0mas | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4516119.stm |
| 11:11:56 | t0mas | there's your confimation lilo :P |
| 11:12:12 | odd | holy crap ;x |
| 11:12:30 | amiconn | odd: They're usually cheaper than DSL |
| 11:12:59 | t0mas | still... I can't live with a chaning IP |
| 11:13:12 | t0mas | how do you host you email? and things like that? |
| 11:13:22 | odd | you don't =\ |
| 11:13:33 | amiconn | I don't host email myself, but at the isp |
| 11:13:44 | t0mas | hm... my isp sucks in that kind of things afaik |
| 11:14:42 | t0mas | and I don't think they would host an IRC server for me :) |
| 11:15:27 | amiconn | I don't host anything myself, as I see no reason to do so, except my little web server for quickly offering something to download |
| 11:16:28 | amiconn | I still need an official ip for remoting my machine from the outside |
| 11:18:55 | t0mas | hm... yeah, I've all sorts of connections open 24/7 |
| 11:19:35 | t0mas | IRC server linked to ActiveNet... three VPN connections for secure info from the office... and two friends |
| 11:19:45 | t0mas | and mailserver for my domain |
| 11:20:27 | odd | geek ;p |
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| 11:20:58 | amiconn | Why do you need an own IRC server? |
| 11:21:16 | t0mas | because we run an IRC network for the pc magazine I work for |
| 11:21:29 | amiconn | ah ok |
| 11:21:31 | t0mas | and it's not really smart to have everything at the office |
| 11:21:43 | t0mas | so Niels (co-admin) and I both have a backup server... |
| 11:25:42 | rasher | I'm still using the email of my very first internet account.. lord knows why it's still active |
| 11:27:23 | odd | my mom still uses the email from our first real ISP |
| 11:27:53 | odd | originally pipeline, bought by sprynet, bought by mindspring, bought by earthlink, bought by AOL |
| 11:27:56 | odd | heh |
| 11:28:04 | odd | movin up the chain, still the same address |
| 11:28:14 | odd | over 10 years old now |
| 11:28:35 | t0mas | yeah, I use my own domain because it's easier to switch isp's this way... |
| 11:28:59 | odd | definitely |
| 11:29:07 | odd | but some people are already lcoked into an ISP-email :( |
| 11:30:51 | t0mas | sssst ;) I still retrieve 3 ISP mailboxes with fetchmail |
| 11:32:04 | odd | you still need to pay for those mailboxes though |
| 11:33:13 | t0mas | no.. |
| 11:33:29 | t0mas | 1 is form the ISP I have now... for getting their news stuff |
| 11:33:40 | HCl | yawn.. |
| 11:33:42 | t0mas | and the other is a free ISP I used long ago |
| 11:33:51 | HCl | i pay 10 euro for my 100mbit connection |
| 11:33:58 | * | HCl goes back to sleep |
| 11:34:29 | * | t0mas still wants that too :P |
| 11:34:37 | odd | omg how do you do that HCl!? |
| 11:34:43 | t0mas | university |
| 11:34:46 | odd | ah ;p |
| 11:34:55 | odd | that's cheating |
| 11:34:55 | odd | heh |
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| 11:35:18 | t0mas | yeah... I pay 3x that... for 1600 kbit |
| 11:35:58 | odd | i pay $40USD for 3mbit/384kbit cable in NYC |
| 11:36:12 | * | odd wants more upstream :( |
| 11:36:45 | t0mas | weird upstream... |
| 11:36:52 | t0mas | I have 512... and that's slow here |
| 11:37:02 | odd | upstream is hard to come by in the US |
| 11:37:08 | preglow | i pay something around 15 euro for 100mbit/100mbit |
| 11:37:13 | preglow | i think it's an ok deal |
| 11:37:17 | t0mas | yes it is :P |
| 11:37:20 | odd | though there's a plan here for 7mbit/800kbit for a little more $ |
| 11:37:24 | odd | which i'm considering |
| 11:37:26 | * | t0mas moves to Delft next year... |
| 11:37:26 | odd | >:D |
| 11:37:34 | t0mas | 100/100 included in the rent :P |
| 11:37:51 | odd | that's NATed though |
| 11:37:55 | odd | i'm assuming |
| 11:37:56 | t0mas | blegh... |
| 11:38:15 | t0mas | versatel is a new ISP here... the first with adsl2 |
| 11:38:50 | t0mas | but you're not allowed to do anything with it... |
| 11:38:58 | t0mas | 20 mbit down, but a datalimit on 10 GB |
| 11:39:05 | odd | wtf? |
| 11:39:07 | odd | that's weak :( |
| 11:39:09 | t0mas | yes, useless |
| 11:39:10 | odd | what's the up? |
| 11:39:12 | t0mas | 1 mbit |
| 11:39:16 | odd | not bad at all |
| 11:39:19 | odd | is there a limit on that |
| 11:39:20 | odd | ? |
| 11:39:21 | t0mas | bot sure if there's a limit |
| 11:39:24 | t0mas | b=n |
| 11:39:33 | odd | well unlimited 1mbit up is rpetty nice :) |
| 11:39:35 | t0mas | I think it counts for the 10 GB limit |
| 11:39:43 | odd | oh wow |
| 11:39:48 | odd | that's profoundly wack |
| 11:40:18 | t0mas | yeah... if they had it unlimited... or 100 - 200 GB I would have taken it |
| 11:40:23 | HCl | my 100 mbit isn't nat-ed... |
| 11:40:30 | HCl | i have a 15gb limit |
| 11:40:31 | HCl | per week |
| 11:40:35 | HCl | for my uploads |
| 11:40:40 | t0mas | that's better than 10 gb / month ;) |
| 11:40:50 | t0mas | and the 15 gb is out of campus right? |
| 11:40:50 | HCl | mmm |
| 11:40:55 | HCl | yea |
| 11:41:02 | * | odd stabs HCl |
| 11:41:03 | HCl | unlimited down |
| 11:41:03 | t0mas | then just DCC from other students :P |
| 11:41:04 | amiconn | Cheapos :/ |
| 11:41:05 | odd | gimme :( |
| 11:41:13 | HCl | unlimited upload to rest of campus |
| 11:41:32 | t0mas | the only reasong to go live in Delft and not stay home is the internet connection... and my sister :P |
| 11:41:40 | odd | hehe |
| 11:41:41 | HCl | bad |
| 11:41:42 | t0mas | *reason |
| 11:41:51 | * | HCl yawns |
| 11:42:23 | * | HCl goes to wake up |
| 11:45:23 | rasher | (to jump back a bit) Well, I'm using my own domain as forward to my old mail account. So no (real) mail goes directly to the old address, so once the account vanishes, I'll cope |
| 11:45:59 | t0mas | that's a way to do it too.. |
| 11:46:01 | amiconn | I pay 17 EUR for the 1024/128 connection, and another 30 EUR for the account (flatrate) |
| 11:46:08 | t0mas | but then I need a hosting account... |
| 11:46:53 | rasher | old friend/boss of mine is handling my domain, so that's no problem |
| 11:47:11 | t0mas | yeah, I'm using the company dns servers... |
| 11:47:26 | t0mas | because you are forced to have 2 DNS servers per domain for .nl |
| 11:47:41 | rasher | yeah, same in .dk |
| 11:48:33 | ashridah | wait. 'forced'? because it's mainly a good idea, not 'forced'. |
| 11:48:46 | ashridah | it's not a technical requirement of dns, so i assume it's policy |
| 11:48:54 | amiconn | yup |
| 11:49:04 | amiconn | I think so too |
| 11:49:17 | amiconn | (and I agree that it is a good idea) |
| 11:49:47 | t0mas | It's ofcourse a good idea |
| 11:50:05 | t0mas | but you are forced to have two working DNS servers before you can register a .nl domain... |
| 11:50:28 | ashridah | yeah, most registrars will maintain that policy |
| 11:50:33 | t0mas | and once in a while they query your servers to check if everything's working |
| 11:52:44 | amiconn | Well, you're most likely not forced to have 2 _own_ DNS server. Simply let the ISP handle it |
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| 11:52:59 | Quelsaruk | hi |
| 11:53:03 | amiconn | hola |
| 11:53:07 | t0mas | hi |
| 11:53:07 | Quelsaruk | great |
| 11:53:12 | Quelsaruk | i wanted to talk to you amiconn |
| 11:53:12 | Quelsaruk | :D |
| 11:53:28 | t0mas | amiconn: my isp wants money for being a useless secondairy DNS... |
| 11:53:44 | amiconn | Huh? Strange.... |
| 11:54:02 | odd | just use freedns |
| 11:54:16 | Quelsaruk | could you check and add to cvs islandic language? i haven't got right now cygwin, so i can't do it :( i'll try to download and install tonight. |
| 11:54:34 | * | t0mas can do it... if you tell me where to download it |
| 11:54:39 | t0mas | and who to credit |
| 11:54:51 | amiconn | Quelsaruk: Saw the mail, think I could do that |
| 11:54:58 | Quelsaruk | thanks amiconn |
| 11:54:59 | Quelsaruk | :) |
| 11:55:10 | amiconn | t0mas: There's a mail on the ml... |
| 11:55:11 | * | Quelsaruk opens a beer and gives to amiconn |
| 11:55:31 | t0mas | amiconn: ok, you do it? or shall I do it? |
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| 11:56:00 | amiconn | It needs a quick check for obvious problems (over-long strings) |
| 11:56:54 | Quelsaruk | that reminds me... we had a discussion about languages long time ago |
| 11:56:58 | Quelsaruk | didn't we? |
| 11:57:03 | Quelsaruk | :D |
| 11:57:15 | Quelsaruk | i have to buy a new neuron for my brain |
| 11:57:31 | * | t0mas has some spare ones, shall I email them? ;) |
| 11:57:52 | amiconn | I'm still thinking about a way to localise plugins |
| 11:58:34 | amiconn | ...both without needing a heapload of additional language files, and without tieing plugins to the main language files |
| 11:58:58 | amiconn | Still I don't have an elegant solution |
| 11:59:25 | * | HCl wants mp3 playback :/ |
| 11:59:37 | * | amiconn already has that :P |
| 11:59:53 | HCl | on iriver :P |
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| 12:00:00 | * | t0mas has it on iriver too |
| 12:00:06 | * | amiconn still has no iriver :/ |
| 12:00:12 | HCl | with rockbox >.> |
| 12:00:14 | t0mas | just turn it off... hold REC and turn it on again :P |
| 12:01:18 | HCl | anyways. |
| 12:01:24 | HCl | i need it to implement my runtimedb :/ |
| 12:01:44 | HCl | and once thats finished i'd probably be more motivated to write the frontend for databox |
| 12:06:51 | Quelsaruk | i still have my old Archos Recorder 20 |
| 12:07:14 | Quelsaruk | amiconn: i have no idea on how to do that, sorry |
| 12:24:59 | amiconn | Quelsaruk: The new icelandic translation isn't quite up-to-date |
| 12:25:01 | amiconn | :( |
| 12:25:08 | Quelsaruk | :( |
| 12:25:10 | Quelsaruk | oh |
| 12:25:29 | Quelsaruk | so we (you) have to send a mail to the list saying so |
| 12:25:41 | amiconn | I ran uplang on it. The file grew from 42 KB to 77 KB |
| 12:25:53 | Quelsaruk | ooohhh |
| 12:25:58 | Quelsaruk | hmm |
| 12:26:04 | Quelsaruk | maybe voices? |
| 12:26:07 | amiconn | There are also some really old strings in it |
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| 12:26:19 | Quelsaruk | :/ |
| 12:26:23 | amiconn | (Not only deprecated ones, but those that are completely gone) |
| 12:26:42 | amiconn | ...from the time of monolithic rockbox |
| 12:26:53 | amiconn | without plugin system |
| 12:27:33 | Quelsaruk | Antediluvian rockbox, i would say |
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| 12:28:57 | amiconn | $ grep -c "### Not previously translated" islenska_new.lang |
| 12:28:57 | amiconn | 170 |
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| 12:30:02 | Quel|off | crash |
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| 12:30:13 | amiconn | Got my latest remark? |
| 12:30:18 | Quelsaruk | 170ŞŞ |
| 12:30:36 | Quelsaruk | that are too many strings without translation |
| 12:31:45 | amiconn | yup |
| 12:32:23 | amiconn | I think I should post to the tracker, appending the uplang'ed file as well |
| 12:32:57 | Quelsaruk | yes, taht's a good idea |
| 12:32:59 | Quelsaruk | :) |
| 12:33:13 | Quelsaruk | as you can see, i still have my wifi problems |
| 12:33:23 | amiconn | I can remove the deprecated strings myself beforehand |
| 12:33:35 | amiconn | Remove the translations, I mean |
| 12:34:23 | Quelsaruk | if you have spare time :D |
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| 12:45:45 | amiconn | Bah, uplang should (and could) handle deprecation automatically :/ |
| 12:46:17 | Quelsaruk | hmmm |
| 12:46:22 | Bagder | only by changing the language file number |
| 12:46:27 | Bagder | which it doesn't |
| 12:46:29 | amiconn | ? |
| 12:46:36 | Bagder | it can't remove strings |
| 12:46:46 | amiconn | It shouldn't remove them |
| 12:46:59 | Bagder | so what is "handle deprecation" ? |
| 12:47:00 | Quelsaruk | what amiconn say is to remove the translated string |
| 12:47:08 | Quelsaruk | not the deprecated ID |
| 12:47:14 | Bagder | if the english is blank, you mean? |
| 12:47:15 | amiconn | It should merely remove the new: string when it detects description == "DEPRECATED" |
| 12:47:22 | Quelsaruk | if i understood correctly |
| 12:47:30 | Bagder | ok |
| 12:47:42 | amiconn | It already detects changed descriptions, so this should be simple |
| 12:47:43 | Quelsaruk | afternoon Bagder |
| 12:47:43 | Quelsaruk | :) |
| 12:47:53 | Bagder | howdy ho! |
| 12:48:22 | Bagder | amiconn: I'd say detecting a "" is better that depending on a specific description |
| 12:48:41 | amiconn | Yes, that's better |
| 12:49:02 | amiconn | I'm currently going through the updated icelandic translation |
| 12:49:17 | amiconn | It needs a lot more updating :( |
| 12:50:21 | Quelsaruk | are you going to add the updated file to the tracker? |
| 12:50:26 | amiconn | yup |
| 12:50:38 | Bagder | well, most translations need more translations ! |
| 12:50:57 | Bagder | rasher's stat script showed that pretty clearly |
| 12:50:59 | amiconn | I can only do the part which doesn't require knowledge of Icelandic |
| 12:51:29 | amiconn | Bagder: I'm talking about the updated translation announced on the ml |
| 12:51:43 | Bagder | I understand |
| 12:51:59 | amiconn | Did you see the grep result? |
| 12:52:06 | Quelsaruk | i think spanish need some up-to-date again... |
| 12:52:12 | Quelsaruk | :S |
| 12:52:26 | amiconn | Quelsaruk: Most likely the triggered recording stuff, yes |
| 12:53:00 | Quelsaruk | ok, then i will install cygwin again tonight |
| 12:53:05 | Quelsaruk | and i will update it |
| 12:53:15 | Quelsaruk | ... next week. :D i promise |
| 12:53:22 | amiconn | You don't need cygwin just to update the language |
| 12:53:34 | Quelsaruk | i know |
| 12:53:35 | Quelsaruk | but |
| 12:53:41 | Quelsaruk | :D |
| 12:54:50 | Quelsaruk | i formated the hd, so i have to install a lot of things |
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| 12:59:46 | MoosCamaro | Hi guys |
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| 13:00:17 | Quelsaruk | hi MoosCamaro |
| 13:07:04 | amiconn | islenska_new.lang checked. Down to 66 KB and 110 untranslated strings |
| 13:07:40 | amiconn | Hmmz |
| 13:08:02 | amiconn | I should have checked earlier, but the islenska.lang in the tracker is identical to cvs :( |
| 13:09:41 | Bagder | ! |
| 13:09:50 | Bagder | perhaps he attached the wrong file |
| 13:09:58 | amiconn | mrf |
| 13:11:35 | amiconn | ...and it's also identical to the attachment in the ml :(( |
| 13:13:00 | Quelsaruk | hehehe |
| 13:13:12 | Quelsaruk | maybe Bagder is right |
| 13:13:12 | Quelsaruk | :D |
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| 13:41:43 | t0mas | hm... |
| 13:41:57 | t0mas | is it "imported in" or "imported to" or "imported into" ? |
| 13:42:02 | t0mas | the last one right? |
| 13:43:56 | ashridah | depends on the context. |
| 13:44:30 | ashridah | imported into sounds best, as in 'imported in to the country' |
| 13:47:39 | t0mas | yes |
| 13:47:50 | t0mas | I imported bla into blabla.c |
| 13:49:38 | Quelsaruk | i imported into blabla.c sounds ok for me... but i'm spanish :D |
| 13:51:57 | HCl | imported in, exported to, imported into |
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| 14:12:31 | t0mas | tnx HCl |
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| 18:48:26 | t0mas | hm... missed a lot in the past 4,5 hours... |
| 18:49:42 | preglow | yes, things are moving fast today |
| 18:50:11 | t0mas | ah, someone alive! :) |
| 18:50:43 | t0mas | do you know something about automake/autoconf or manually setting up configure scripts preglow? |
| 18:52:23 | Bagder | http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/autoconf-2.57/html_mono/autoconf.html.gz |
| 18:52:25 | Bagder | :-) |
| 18:52:45 | t0mas | yeah, read that |
| 18:53:00 | t0mas | oh... wait... I read the automake docs |
| 18:53:37 | Bagder | autoconf is for the configure script |
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| 18:55:31 | t0mas | Bagder: is rockbox using autoconf/automake ? |
| 18:55:35 | Bagder | no |
| 18:55:53 | Bagder | there's no point for Rockbox to use those |
| 18:55:56 | t0mas | makefile's are all made by hand? |
| 18:56:01 | Bagder | yes |
| 18:56:10 | t0mas | pffffffew... |
| 18:56:20 | t0mas | you wrote them? or everybody did a piece? |
| 18:56:45 | Bagder | there have been lots of editing by various people |
| 18:57:02 | Bagder | but I've done a fair share |
| 18:58:07 | Bagder | I'm off again |
| 18:58:44 | t0mas | ok |
| 18:58:51 | * | t0mas is away again too... eating :) |
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| 19:00:24 | wafro | anyone seen bluEchiP? |
| 19:00:47 | wafro | or anyone else know about MIPS-X? |
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| 19:11:28 | HCl | mips x? |
| 19:13:14 | wafro | developed at stanford a long time ago |
| 19:13:32 | wafro | it's used in some ESS chips |
| 19:13:51 | wafro | no support in GNU toolchains for it |
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| 19:17:36 | wafro | it's being used in the Linksys PAP2 voip adapter, which is locked to Vonage |
| 19:20:42 | preglow | t0mas: i know nothing about that, no |
| 19:20:52 | preglow | can't really claim i've have use for it |
| 19:35:33 | t0mas | ok |
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| 21:57:15 | Tang_ | test |
| 21:58:11 | t0mas | test? |
| 21:58:19 | Tang_ | Hi t0mas |
| 21:58:24 | t0mas | hi |
| 21:58:41 | Tang_ | i was testing if it worked since i experimented a connection failure |
| 21:58:44 | Tang_ | previously |
| 21:59:29 | Tang_ | :) |
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| 22:00:08 | Tang_ | the place seems quiet |
| 22:00:35 | HCl | :P |
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| 22:18:04 | preglow | w00t |
| 22:23:25 | t0mas | interesting news? |
| 22:23:33 | preglow | none from my part of town |
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| 22:30:07 | HCl | mmm |
| 22:30:10 | HCl | bleach is cool :3 |
| 22:33:28 | MoosCamaro | hi guys |
| 22:33:39 | t0mas | hi |
| 22:34:17 | preglow | semi related, though, the eq i plan to put in rockbox seems to be working fine |
| 22:34:36 | MoosCamaro | waoooooo |
| 22:34:44 | MoosCamaro | hi preglow |
| 22:34:58 | HCl | preglow: nice |
| 22:35:06 | HCl | where is linus anyways? |
| 22:35:12 | HCl | still cruising in his volvo? |
| 22:35:15 | preglow | nah |
| 22:35:20 | preglow | holiday today, methinks |
| 22:35:20 | HCl | you would say he's run out of gas by now |
| 22:35:21 | HCl | o.o |
| 22:35:27 | HCl | ah. |
| 22:35:32 | preglow | he was on yesterday |
| 22:45:38 | Bagder | we have a "long weekend" in sweden atm |
| 22:46:01 | Bagder | national holiday today |
| 22:46:01 | MoosCamaro | th bridge |
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| 22:48:04 | MoosCamaro | in france too |
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| 22:52:34 | preglow | holiday here as well |
| 22:52:38 | preglow | but no long weekend, i think |
| 22:54:05 | Bagder | well, many people take tomorrow off just because today is holiday |
| 22:56:46 | preglow | sounds like a good plan |
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| 23:01:14 | HCl | same here. |
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| 23:02:20 | HCl | its him! |
| 23:02:26 | HCl | how goes lin |
| 23:02:27 | Bagder | mr 320! |
| 23:02:30 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 23:02:39 | LinusN | the man, the myth, the legend...the volvo cruiser |
| 23:02:45 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 23:02:49 | t0mas | LOL |
| 23:02:49 | LinusN | the H320 owner |
| 23:02:49 | HCl | XD |
| 23:02:53 | preglow | gotten a feel for the car yet? |
| 23:02:54 | preglow | heh |
| 23:02:55 | HCl | you have an h320? |
| 23:03:01 | LinusN | got it yesterday |
| 23:03:11 | * | Bagder tried it |
| 23:03:17 | preglow | so, is it nice? |
| 23:03:32 | LinusN | man, the user interface sucks even more than the H120 |
| 23:03:37 | preglow | yes, i kind of figured |
| 23:03:37 | HCl | lol. |
| 23:03:38 | Bagder | its... colorful! ;-) |
| 23:04:13 | Bagder | it seems to shut off the lcd when the backlight goes off |
| 23:04:15 | preglow | the user interface gives the impression that it handles as nicely as a turd |
| 23:04:19 | LinusN | the car is nice btw |
| 23:04:25 | preglow | no surprises |
| 23:04:46 | preglow | Bagder: colour lcds aren't very good without a backlight, no |
| 23:04:57 | preglow | the term 'unusable' springs to mind |
| 23:05:01 | LinusN | had to buy an fm transmitter to play my mp3 music in the car |
| 23:05:02 | Bagder | I know |
| 23:05:08 | Bagder | but this seems to shut off |
| 23:05:11 | Bagder | really |
| 23:05:12 | preglow | LinusN: so no melbus specs? |
| 23:05:16 | Bagder | it shows _nothing_ |
| 23:05:17 | LinusN | preglow: nope |
| 23:05:32 | amiconn | preglow: I thought the same until some weeks ago... until I saw the blackberry 72x0 |
| 23:05:33 | Bagder | I guess its a setting |
| 23:05:53 | LinusN | someday i'll hook up a logic analyzer and reverse engineer the protocol |
| 23:05:59 | preglow | Bagder: sounds kind of shitty, not much power to be saved by switching off an lcd display, unless my memory fails me completely |
| 23:06:03 | amiconn | Now I know: there _are_ colour lcds that are usable without a backlight... and not glaring like hell |
| 23:06:29 | amiconn | I just wonder why the other type is still used in many devices... |
| 23:06:33 | | Join cxm [0] (~cxm@userca029.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 23:06:35 | LinusN | cost? |
| 23:08:10 | preglow | probably |
| 23:08:34 | preglow | the one on my phone sure as hell leaves something to be desired |
| 23:09:27 | HCl | (0:31) When a furre says {come Pikari}, |
| 23:09:27 | HCl | (1:10) and the triggering furre is the dream owner, |
| 23:09:27 | HCl | (1:13) and the triggering furre is facing northeast (up and right), |
| 23:09:27 | HCl | (5:350) set variable %target to the X,Y position the triggering furre (moved from/is standing at). |
| 23:09:30 | HCl | (5:352) move the position in variable %target northeast (up and right) # step(s). |
| 23:09:33 | HCl | (3:2) at position (%pikastalk) on the map, |
| 23:09:36 | HCl | (5:17) move any furre present to (%target), or to someplace nearby if it's occupied. |
| 23:09:59 | preglow | yes, indeed |
| 23:10:45 | HCl | goddammit. |
| 23:10:47 | HCl | sorry. |
| 23:10:51 | HCl | stupid putty. |
| 23:10:55 | HCl | *glares* |
| 23:11:25 | HCl | LinusN: any progress on mp3? |
| 23:11:28 | HCl | playback |
| 23:11:29 | HCl | that is. |
| 23:11:45 | t0mas | LinusN: does Volvo have some cd changer / other hookup thing to the sound system? |
| 23:11:59 | HCl | my dad's has a cd player.. |
| 23:12:22 | LinusN | t0mas: yes |
| 23:12:34 | * | amiconn likes his car stereo. It's equipped with 2 line inputs... |
| 23:12:44 | preglow | line input is indeed goodness |
| 23:12:46 | * | HCl bought a fake tape for his tape playing car radio... |
| 23:12:50 | t0mas | LinusN: already hacked it? ;) |
| 23:12:53 | HCl | which pretty much is the same as line input.. |
| 23:13:06 | amiconn | HCl: Had that before. Sounds like crap compared o line in |
| 23:13:14 | HCl | i don't have a linein :P |
| 23:13:15 | HCl | plus |
| 23:13:17 | * | Bagder has that lame cassette thing as well |
| 23:13:21 | HCl | its not like my speakers are great. |
| 23:13:29 | HCl | so i'm happy, really :p |
| 23:13:31 | LinusN | t0mas: that is the MELBUS protocol we discussed a few minutes ago |
| 23:13:54 | cxm | I find cassette adapters vary a lot in quality |
| 23:14:01 | amiconn | HCl: The fake tape thing is mostly loosing bass |
| 23:14:11 | HCl | amiconn: my speakers can't do bass anyways :P |
| 23:14:19 | Bagder | I have plenty bass |
| 23:14:19 | HCl | but i haven't really noticed it, i must say. |
| 23:14:30 | HCl | cxm: its probably that. |
| 23:15:00 | cxm | I had one so bad I threw it away. Later I bought a cheaper one and it worked better |
| 23:15:19 | t0mas | lol |
| 23:15:23 | HCl | mmmm. |
| 23:15:28 | * | HCl just has the original radio.. |
| 23:15:34 | HCl | anyways. |
| 23:15:38 | cxm | next car will have sony+line in |
| 23:17:14 | preglow | think i'll just drop the entire cd/tape/linein thing and mount a c64 in the stereo compartment |
| 23:17:48 | * | HCl is happy with anything that has 4 wheels and drives without burning too much fuel |
| 23:17:49 | LinusN | yeah, that's the only sane solution |
| 23:18:10 | HCl | so hows mp3 playback? |
| 23:18:10 | HCl | o.o |
| 23:18:18 | preglow | woo, naked h10 |
| 23:18:21 | LinusN | then you can spend the rest of your life optimizing the mp3 decoder |
| 23:18:40 | HCl | no comment preglow. |
| 23:19:00 | LinusN | the ultimate geek sign, when you get more excited about naked mp3 players than naked ladies |
| 23:19:05 | HCl | mhm. |
| 23:19:10 | preglow | why, the detail! |
| 23:19:12 | t0mas | LOL |
| 23:19:26 | cxm | where's the h10 porn? |
| 23:19:31 | Bagder | http://www.easydigi.com/news/2005/1/10/news_520.htm |
| 23:20:12 | Bagder | why would they use a codec chipset for mere AD DA? |
| 23:20:14 | LinusN | http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?t=10569&highlight=portalplayer |
| 23:20:27 | Bagder | wolfson has those things too |
| 23:20:37 | LinusN | Bagder: the manufacturers call them CODEC chips |
| 23:20:40 | preglow | i've decided not to spam the channel about my enthusiastic naked lady exclamations |
| 23:20:47 | preglow | i feel that h10 porn is at least related |
| 23:20:51 | LinusN | the UDA1380 is a CODEC chip too |
| 23:21:21 | Bagder | that explains it |
| 23:21:25 | Bagder | silly |
| 23:21:34 | LinusN | sort of |
| 23:22:08 | preglow | hmm, i can't remember if anyone ever figured out if the uda1380 can do full duplex |
| 23:22:13 | t0mas | LOL |
| 23:22:14 | t0mas | http://www.easydigi.com/news/2005/1/10/Pict8040.jpg |
| 23:22:16 | t0mas | nice warning |
| 23:22:18 | cxm | hmm so it _is_ portal player |
| 23:22:18 | preglow | i had a look at the data sheets and found no indication that it's not possible |
| 23:22:35 | t0mas | preglow: philips reseller told me it's possible |
| 23:22:42 | t0mas | but never dared to email me :P |
| 23:22:52 | preglow | the coward! |
| 23:22:56 | t0mas | :) |
| 23:24:49 | LinusN | i'd say full duplex is more of a coldfire problem |
| 23:25:34 | preglow | yes, i expected that, but at least the uda doesn't prohibit it |
| 23:26:05 | preglow | btw |
| 23:26:10 | t0mas | hm.. next iriver mod... a cpu cooler |
| 23:26:28 | preglow | talking about the imdct_l thing, it seems all input and output data is in iram |
| 23:26:34 | preglow | at least it is on the stack, and that should be in iram |
| 23:26:42 | LinusN | yes |
| 23:26:48 | preglow | libmad uses bloody 4 kilobytes of stack sometimes |
| 23:27:08 | preglow | clearly made with embedded platforms in mind |
| 23:27:11 | * | amiconn seems to have spotted an outdated feature request... |
| 23:27:20 | t0mas | oh... something else... stackusage of main thread with cvs of yesterday |
| 23:27:27 | t0mas | is it 99% for everybody? |
| 23:27:36 | t0mas | or is mine someway doing something wrong> |
| 23:27:46 | preglow | i don't think that's working yet |
| 23:27:46 | amiconn | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=886213 is probably obsolete since my exponential scroll speed settings... |
| 23:28:04 | HCl | t0mas: where can you see that? |
| 23:28:09 | t0mas | in debug menu |
| 23:28:12 | amiconn | t0mas: Stack usage check doesn't work for iriver yet iirc |
| 23:28:15 | LinusN | amiconn: yeah, close it |
| 23:28:23 | t0mas | ok, then that's the problem :) |
| 23:28:34 | LinusN | stack usage check should work... |
| 23:28:37 | * | HCl flops on the couch |
| 23:28:47 | preglow | HCl: hf |
| 23:28:48 | amiconn | Somebody tried to enable it - this lead to an immediate rockbox crash |
| 23:28:56 | amiconn | LinusN: Really? |
| 23:29:06 | * | HCl prods preglow with a stick to tell him how far things are with mp3 playback |
| 23:29:31 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, but the overflow check does not |
| 23:29:32 | t0mas | ok, can anybody then confirm main is at 99% ? |
| 23:29:32 | preglow | how should i know? |
| 23:29:45 | preglow | t0mas: yes it is |
| 23:29:49 | t0mas | ok |
| 23:29:53 | HCl | thats not a good thing. |
| 23:29:55 | t0mas | then it's not my build :) |
| 23:30:26 | LinusN | t0mas: the usage check *should* work, but there might still be a bug |
| 23:30:58 | t0mas | ok |
| 23:31:44 | preglow | LinusN: but yeah, seeing as how all data i fetch in that loop is in iram, i sincerely doubt moving the loop itself to iram will make any difference |
| 23:31:56 | preglow | LinusN: after the first iteration, all code and data should be in either cache or iram anyway |
| 23:32:12 | LinusN | so you moved the constants to iram? |
| 23:32:18 | preglow | they always were in iram |
| 23:32:18 | LinusN | and the code? |
| 23:32:26 | preglow | the code will be in cache after the first iteration |
| 23:32:31 | preglow | and there's 13 iterations or so |
| 23:32:53 | LinusN | interesting |
| 23:33:12 | preglow | but yeah, i really should just try it instead of talking about it, i'm just afraid i'll be stuck in rockbox coding land again ;) |
| 23:33:43 | LinusN | you mean nirvana? |
| 23:33:55 | preglow | well, yes, i have to reside in hell for at least two more months |
| 23:35:42 | preglow | i just plain don't understand it, the old imdct_l code has no loop, so will never utilize cache, it also has ALL constants implemented as move.ls |
| 23:36:10 | preglow | and still it is faster by far |
| 23:37:24 | LinusN | very weird |
| 23:38:03 | preglow | some kind of cycle counter would be nice |
| 23:41:48 | | Quit cxm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 23:42:12 | LinusN | didn't someone send a profiling patch to the tracker? |
| 23:42:19 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:43:10 | Bagder | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1157222 |
| 23:43:16 | preglow | that profile timer doesn't cut it |
| 23:43:49 | preglow | i guess i'd need microseconds |
| 23:44:31 | preglow | i also guess the interrupt overhead wouldn't exactly make for very accurate measurements in that case |
| 23:46:50 | LinusN | just use a hardware timer |
| 23:47:14 | * | LinusN suspects that his cache enabling code isn't correct |
| 23:47:24 | preglow | that would be... nice ;) |
| 23:47:29 | HCl | :p |
| 23:47:39 | HCl | and it would stop preglow getting crazy too! :p |
| 23:47:49 | preglow | ohh, i already am delightfully mad |
| 23:47:53 | rasher | http://www.easydigi.com/news/2005/1/10/Pict8049.jpg *stab *stab* |
| 23:48:00 | | Quit Harpy (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) |
| 23:48:01 | HCl | :P |
| 23:48:15 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 23:48:16 | preglow | and there's your contributing factor |
| 23:48:48 | HCl | looks like he broke something, heh. |
| 23:49:06 | HCl | or is that screen meant to be so..... squarey. |
| 23:49:19 | rasher | or maybe it's just moire crap |
| 23:49:32 | preglow | it's just aliasing |
| 23:49:34 | rasher | the lines don't look straight |
| 23:49:42 | amiconn | LinusN, Bagder: I'm seriously thinking about adapting this patch: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1110332 |
| 23:50:03 | amiconn | ...not only for Ondio, but also for FM/v2 recorder |
| 23:50:11 | Bagder | sounds like a good idea to me |
| 23:50:22 | LinusN | go ahead |
| 23:50:25 | amiconn | However, I'm not sure about the best way to enable this mode |
| 23:50:54 | amiconn | Holding a button while plugging USB would be the best way, but then there is no spare button on Ondio |
| 23:51:12 | rasher | I wonder where pillo went.. his viewer patch was nice, but n ot completely bug free :-\ |
| 23:51:13 | amiconn | Having a menu option might be confusing |
| 23:51:50 | Bagder | wouldn't it be possible to "close" the usb mode with a key? |
| 23:51:53 | amiconn | ...in case someone enables it by accident, he'll be puzzled why the box won't go into usb mode |
| 23:52:48 | amiconn | I already thought about a "one shot" menu option which disables itself after the usb is pulled again |
| 23:53:08 | amiconn | Bagder: You mean, leave the USB screen with a button? |
| 23:53:11 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:53:11 | preglow | if the cache isn't correctly set up, then serious thought should be given to adapting the other imdct_l algo instead |
| 23:53:17 | preglow | methinks i'll never be done with libmad |
| 23:53:36 | Bagder | amiconn: lots of free keys there methinks |
| 23:53:43 | amiconn | Yes indeed |
| 23:53:56 | HCl | preglow: the faster it gets, the lower we can set the frequency, the more battery we'll have :3 |
| 23:54:05 | amiconn | However, there should be a safety request then, to prevent leaving USB by accident |
| 23:54:17 | Bagder | yes probably |
| 23:54:26 | amiconn | ...perhaps in the middle of a large file transfer. Ouch! |
| 23:54:33 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:57:37 | amiconn | Hmm. Not entering USB mode in the first place would be better though |
| 23:58:13 | amiconn | There's the problem with the MMC reset on Ondio, which requires the card to be pulled if it was accessed by rockbox before |
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