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#rockbox log for 2005-05-05

00:00:24[IDC]Dragonso I need to hack the lib copilation, what a pity
00:00:46[IDC]DragonI hoped to get away just with changes in my makefile
00:01:21[IDC]DragonI should be able to pass compile options to the lib, right?
00:01:49Bagderuse the EXTRA_DEFINES
00:01:53 Part Domonoky
00:02:12Bagder(which could be named EXTRA_CFLAGS)
00:03:11[IDC]Dragonhmm, I added to CFLAGS just below that
00:03:37[IDC]Dragonso it should be passed to the firmware make
00:03:51[IDC]DragonCFLAGS += -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections
00:04:11[IDC]Dragonwith the last line being my new stuff
00:04:51*[IDC]Dragon peeks into the firmware makefile
00:05:43[IDC]Dragonah, it starts with a new CFLAGS
00:06:07Bagderyeps, but uses EXTRA_DEFINES in there...
00:06:23[IDC]Dragonyes, I understand now
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00:09:52[IDC]Dragonhmm, same effect: sections for the non-lib code only
00:10:04[IDC]Dragonand those start at zero
00:10:26amiconn[IDC]Dragon: My new bitfield handling now saves 160 bytes for the jukeboxes, and 216 bytes for Ondio
00:10:56[IDC]Dragonit's a start
00:12:11amiconnDid you change the .lds?
00:13:07amiconnYou need to
00:13:22[IDC]Dragonwildcard, I see
00:13:25amiconnThen it's obvious why your sections end up at zero
00:13:33amiconnLike in my example
00:13:52[IDC]Dragonwe could generally do so
00:14:47BagderRüdesheim far away from you guys? ;-)
00:14:52[IDC]Dragonfirst I need to find out why no effect to the lib code
00:15:07[IDC]DragonBagder: yes
00:15:16Bagderwe're going there in september
00:15:33[IDC]Dragonnice, for wine?
00:15:46Bagdercompany conference stuff
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00:16:05[IDC]DragonI take that as a yes ;-)
00:17:03[IDC]Dragontell me if you stopover in Hannover
00:17:19amiconn..or me if you do so in Berlin ;)
00:19:35t0masah, and if anybody goes cheese hunting in Gouda ;) ;)
00:19:55t0masor Amsterdam... or Utrecht... or whatever dutch city... as all are close :P
00:20:10*[IDC]Dragon walks to the fridge for cheese
00:20:28amiconn[IDC]Dragon: And remember: it's Hanover in english :P
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00:21:09Bagdertime for sleeeeep
00:21:21[IDC]Dragonwhat's KEEP(*(.entry)) good for?
00:21:37[IDC]Dragonah, the root
00:22:04amiconn(for plugins)
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00:30:30*[IDC]Dragon gives up
00:32:18amiconnBitfield code committed
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00:38:56amiconnBagder: wiki diff'ing doesn't alwayswork correctly
00:39:07amiconn*always work
00:44:05[IDC]Dragonamiconn: I think my bit code was more complex because it was working on byte units, too
00:44:36[IDC]Dragonpreventing endian incompatibility
00:45:11[IDC]Dragonit was fetching bytes instead of 32 bit
00:45:27[IDC]Dragonbut not in rockbox
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00:46:46amiconn(1) It didn't do that as included in rockbox (2) It's not even necessary in rockbox
00:46:52[IDC]Dragonmmc doesn not cross border, so no change for you there?
00:47:18amiconnMMC does cross border, but it was the right way 'round from the start
00:47:33[IDC]Dragonamiconn: yes, I was just explaining the legacy
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00:47:50amiconn(otherwise it wouldn't work at all as it is used for a data structure defined by the MMC spec, not by us)
00:48:10amiconnThe settings will always be read by the same CPU with the same endianess which wrote them
00:48:22[IDC]Dragonok, I thought your code switched the order
00:48:39[IDC]DragonI understand
00:48:55amiconnIt switched the order for settings.c, which counted from bit 0
00:49:01amiconnMMC counts from MSB
00:49:53*t0mas is away: sleep(HZ * 28800);
00:50:16amiconnt0mas: rather much ;)
00:50:26t0mas8 hours?
00:50:35t0mashave to get up around 9 tomorrow :P
00:50:47amiconnI know that it's 8 hours
00:51:10t0masofcourse you do :)
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00:54:42[IDC]Dragonhehe, what a rockbox way of saying goodnight
00:55:21amiconn[IDC]Dragon: Hmm, I notice that mmc_extract_bits is only correct for big endian (like before though)
00:55:51[IDC]Dragonthat's ok
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00:56:02*[IDC]Dragon says goodnight, too
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00:56:49amiconnno beer? ;)
00:57:00preglowunfortunately, no
00:57:09*amiconn had a beer recently
00:57:17preglowand beer usually doesn't do much to wake me up, heh
00:57:52preglowwoot, new binutils
00:58:06amiconnt'was about time...
00:58:18preglowaye, most certainly
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01:33:15cool2bdaveHi I am trying to decompress my first rockbox source is tar xvf rockbox-daily-20050504.tar.tar wrong?
01:37:33cool2bdavethat is what it downloaded as, I changed it to tar.gz but had no luck
01:39:04cool2bdaveIt does not seem to be recognised as a tar archive
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01:39:57cool2bdaveI have an old copy of cygwin and just installed blue chips dev kit, but no luck
01:41:58rasher_could be your browser de-gzipped it
01:42:05rasher_try renaming to .tar
01:43:34cool2bdaveno it still does not look likea valid archive
01:45:18cool2bdaveI am new to Cygwin could I be doing something wrong
01:53:06amiconnTry renaming it as .tar.gz and the tar xvfz rockbox-daily-20050504.tar.gz
01:55:43cool2bdaveit is working
01:56:16amiconnWhat browser did you use for downloading? My guess is that you used IE
01:57:39amiconnIE sometimes changes file extensions to what it 'thinks' is the correct one
01:58:38cool2bdavethanks so much
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10:22:36t0mashm... little empty here... 35 users...
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10:30:58*t0mas is really stupid sometimes...
10:31:11t0masset my alarm clock to 8:30 yesterday evening...
10:31:33t0masthis morning the thing started beeping... and I realised it's 05-05-05
10:31:36t0maswich is a day off here :X
10:32:53amiconnSame here
10:32:56rasher_and here
10:33:26t0masgermany and? norway?
10:33:38*rasher_ draws purdy diagrams of finite automata
10:35:38t0maserrr... anybody read about that google prpxy?
10:35:54t0massounds like a new privacy breach again...
10:37:17oddoh you mean about them locally redirecting outgoing links to search results?
10:37:26oddi noticed that last week when they first started on my own
10:37:28ashridahrasher_: played with JFLAP?
10:37:36oddthen what do you mean?
10:37:42t0masa realy proxy server...
10:37:46t0masit's new
10:38:08t0masand if you can read dutch:
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10:38:35t0masweb accelerator
10:38:42t0masis what they called it
10:39:01rasher_Well it is
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10:39:19rasherThere has to be some gain for the user
10:39:32rasherwhether or not it's "worth it".. well.. I'll leave that to the user.
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10:39:40t0mas5% speed up
10:39:41t0massometimes :P
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10:40:04t0masand they keep track of all visited websites + cookies etc.. for you... ofcourse :P
10:43:28t0masoh LOL
10:43:46t0masdon't use it to login to phpbb forums... as other users will be logged in with the same account
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10:52:38t0masread the google groups things about it
10:54:10oddwhile you're at it go grab a Googlesnack and wipe your ass with some Google Toilet Paper
10:54:59*t0mas doesn't like google..
10:55:17oddto be honest, i have a lot more respect for them than most corporations
10:55:22t0masand specially Gmail... scanning my email for ad-words? no thanks...
10:55:40oddall it does is tailor the links along the righthand side
10:55:43oddand it's all automated
10:55:53t0masand you think they don't record anything?
10:56:00oddi had the same reaction to it at first, until i did the research
10:56:10oddpart of their privacy policy is that it will never be seen by a human
10:56:24t0masisn't needed
10:56:30oddgmail is by far the best free web-based email available
10:56:40oddnot just for the space
10:56:43t0masthey keep track of a "profile" of you...
10:56:46oddbut it's really brilliantly designed
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10:56:52oddt0mas: that's your Google Profile
10:56:58oddit's the same as any website that uses a global login
10:57:30t0masthey log things about web usage in that proxy thing... and they keep track of what "kind" of email you use
10:57:32t0masthings like that
10:57:44oddi'm sure they do, it's valuable data
10:57:55t0masin the end they have a very valuable profile... not containing anything from your email... so not illegal
10:58:07oddthe former for marketing/demographic purposes, the latter for their own studies about a market they're in with gmail
10:58:31t0masyes, but I don't like the marketing part
10:58:32oddi don't like it, but i wouldn't call it a "privacy threat"
10:58:56t0maswell... I don't like it either... but still I have gmail ;)
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10:59:14t0masgmailFS was just to much fun not to try it :P
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11:00:52t0maswb amiconn
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11:01:54amiconnThe usual once-per-day disconnect by the provider...
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11:04:52t0masamiconn: is that a policy???
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11:05:25DJ_Dooms_DayWhats news?
11:05:29t0maslong time ago?
11:05:38t0massubscribe to cvs mailing ;)
11:05:50amiconnt0mas: Yes; to prevent having the same ip for too long
11:06:04t0masweird... I have a fixed IP
11:06:07DJ_Dooms_Daylol, get TOO much info then
11:06:17t0masand I wouldn't like to get disconnected every day...
11:06:32DJ_Dooms_DayHOw has PCM/wav playback been going?
11:07:09t0masoh ow...
11:07:45amiconnt0mas: I don't know of any isp offering fixed ip accounts for private use in germany
11:07:56t0masBreaking news: Explosion on british embassy in New York
11:08:03t0masamiconn: that sucks...
11:08:06amiconn(Fixed, _non-private_ ip, that is)
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11:08:13oddi live in new york
11:08:24t0masjust heard it
11:08:30t0masit's election day for the brittish
11:09:02oddi know
11:09:09odddoesn't seem ot be in any news outlet that i can find
11:09:11oddwhat's your source?
11:09:33t0masdutch news site
11:09:37amiconnt0mas: internat via cable networks is usually worse here. You get NATted by the isp...
11:10:04amiconnHaving a non-fiex, but official ip isn't too bad. That's what dyndns is for...
11:10:28*amiconn seems to have spelling problems
11:10:38oddwow amiconn that's terrible
11:10:57oddhow can they get away with charging people for NATed connections?
11:11:56t0masthere's your confimation lilo :P
11:12:12oddholy crap ;x
11:12:30amiconnodd: They're usually cheaper than DSL
11:12:59t0masstill... I can't live with a chaning IP
11:13:12t0mashow do you host you email? and things like that?
11:13:22oddyou don't =\
11:13:33amiconnI don't host email myself, but at the isp
11:13:44t0mashm... my isp sucks in that kind of things afaik
11:14:42t0masand I don't think they would host an IRC server for me :)
11:15:27amiconnI don't host anything myself, as I see no reason to do so, except my little web server for quickly offering something to download
11:16:28amiconnI still need an official ip for remoting my machine from the outside
11:18:55t0mashm... yeah, I've all sorts of connections open 24/7
11:19:35t0masIRC server linked to ActiveNet... three VPN connections for secure info from the office... and two friends
11:19:45t0masand mailserver for my domain
11:20:27oddgeek ;p
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11:20:58amiconnWhy do you need an own IRC server?
11:21:16t0masbecause we run an IRC network for the pc magazine I work for
11:21:29amiconnah ok
11:21:31t0masand it's not really smart to have everything at the office
11:21:43t0masso Niels (co-admin) and I both have a backup server...
11:25:42rasherI'm still using the email of my very first internet account.. lord knows why it's still active
11:27:23oddmy mom still uses the email from our first real ISP
11:27:53oddoriginally pipeline, bought by sprynet, bought by mindspring, bought by earthlink, bought by AOL
11:28:04oddmovin up the chain, still the same address
11:28:14oddover 10 years old now
11:28:35t0masyeah, I use my own domain because it's easier to switch isp's this way...
11:29:07oddbut some people are already lcoked into an ISP-email :(
11:30:51t0massssst ;) I still retrieve 3 ISP mailboxes with fetchmail
11:32:04oddyou still need to pay for those mailboxes though
11:33:29t0mas1 is form the ISP I have now... for getting their news stuff
11:33:42t0masand the other is a free ISP I used long ago
11:33:51HCli pay 10 euro for my 100mbit connection
11:33:58*HCl goes back to sleep
11:34:29*t0mas still wants that too :P
11:34:37oddomg how do you do that HCl!?
11:34:46oddah ;p
11:34:55oddthat's cheating
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11:35:18t0masyeah... I pay 3x that... for 1600 kbit
11:35:58oddi pay $40USD for 3mbit/384kbit cable in NYC
11:36:12*odd wants more upstream :(
11:36:45t0masweird upstream...
11:36:52t0masI have 512... and that's slow here
11:37:02oddupstream is hard to come by in the US
11:37:08preglowi pay something around 15 euro for 100mbit/100mbit
11:37:13preglowi think it's an ok deal
11:37:17t0masyes it is :P
11:37:20oddthough there's a plan here for 7mbit/800kbit for a little more $
11:37:24oddwhich i'm considering
11:37:26*t0mas moves to Delft next year...
11:37:34t0mas100/100 included in the rent :P
11:37:51oddthat's NATed though
11:37:55oddi'm assuming
11:38:15t0masversatel is a new ISP here... the first with adsl2
11:38:50t0masbut you're not allowed to do anything with it...
11:38:58t0mas20 mbit down, but a datalimit on 10 GB
11:39:07oddthat's weak :(
11:39:09t0masyes, useless
11:39:10oddwhat's the up?
11:39:12t0mas1 mbit
11:39:16oddnot bad at all
11:39:19oddis there a limit on that
11:39:21t0masbot sure if there's a limit
11:39:33oddwell unlimited 1mbit up is rpetty nice :)
11:39:35t0masI think it counts for the 10 GB limit
11:39:43oddoh wow
11:39:48oddthat's profoundly wack
11:40:18t0masyeah... if they had it unlimited... or 100 - 200 GB I would have taken it
11:40:23HClmy 100 mbit isn't nat-ed...
11:40:30HCli have a 15gb limit
11:40:31HClper week
11:40:35HClfor my uploads
11:40:40t0masthat's better than 10 gb / month ;)
11:40:50t0masand the 15 gb is out of campus right?
11:41:02*odd stabs HCl
11:41:03HClunlimited down
11:41:03t0masthen just DCC from other students :P
11:41:04amiconnCheapos :/
11:41:05oddgimme :(
11:41:13HClunlimited upload to rest of campus
11:41:32t0masthe only reasong to go live in Delft and not stay home is the internet connection... and my sister :P
11:41:51*HCl yawns
11:42:23*HCl goes to wake up
11:45:23rasher(to jump back a bit) Well, I'm using my own domain as forward to my old mail account. So no (real) mail goes directly to the old address, so once the account vanishes, I'll cope
11:45:59t0masthat's a way to do it too..
11:46:01amiconnI pay 17 EUR for the 1024/128 connection, and another 30 EUR for the account (flatrate)
11:46:08t0masbut then I need a hosting account...
11:46:53rasherold friend/boss of mine is handling my domain, so that's no problem
11:47:11t0masyeah, I'm using the company dns servers...
11:47:26t0masbecause you are forced to have 2 DNS servers per domain for .nl
11:47:41rasheryeah, same in .dk
11:48:33ashridahwait. 'forced'? because it's mainly a good idea, not 'forced'.
11:48:46ashridahit's not a technical requirement of dns, so i assume it's policy
11:49:04amiconnI think so too
11:49:17amiconn(and I agree that it is a good idea)
11:49:47t0masIt's ofcourse a good idea
11:50:05t0masbut you are forced to have two working DNS servers before you can register a .nl domain...
11:50:28ashridahyeah, most registrars will maintain that policy
11:50:33t0masand once in a while they query your servers to check if everything's working
11:52:44amiconnWell, you're most likely not forced to have 2 _own_ DNS server. Simply let the ISP handle it
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11:53:12Quelsaruki wanted to talk to you amiconn
11:53:28t0masamiconn: my isp wants money for being a useless secondairy DNS...
11:53:44amiconnHuh? Strange....
11:54:02oddjust use freedns
11:54:16Quelsarukcould you check and add to cvs islandic language? i haven't got right now cygwin, so i can't do it :( i'll try to download and install tonight.
11:54:34*t0mas can do it... if you tell me where to download it
11:54:39t0masand who to credit
11:54:51amiconnQuelsaruk: Saw the mail, think I could do that
11:54:58Quelsarukthanks amiconn
11:55:10amiconnt0mas: There's a mail on the ml...
11:55:11*Quelsaruk opens a beer and gives to amiconn
11:55:31t0masamiconn: ok, you do it? or shall I do it?
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11:56:00amiconnIt needs a quick check for obvious problems (over-long strings)
11:56:54Quelsarukthat reminds me... we had a discussion about languages long time ago
11:56:58Quelsarukdidn't we?
11:57:15Quelsaruki have to buy a new neuron for my brain
11:57:31*t0mas has some spare ones, shall I email them? ;)
11:57:52amiconnI'm still thinking about a way to localise plugins
11:58:34amiconn...both without needing a heapload of additional language files, and without tieing plugins to the main language files
11:58:58amiconnStill I don't have an elegant solution
11:59:25*HCl wants mp3 playback :/
11:59:37*amiconn already has that :P
11:59:53HClon iriver :P
12:00:00*t0mas has it on iriver too
12:00:06*amiconn still has no iriver :/
12:00:12HClwith rockbox >.>
12:00:14t0masjust turn it off... hold REC and turn it on again :P
12:01:24HCli need it to implement my runtimedb :/
12:01:44HCland once thats finished i'd probably be more motivated to write the frontend for databox
12:06:51Quelsaruki still have my old Archos Recorder 20
12:07:14Quelsarukamiconn: i have no idea on how to do that, sorry
12:24:59amiconnQuelsaruk: The new icelandic translation isn't quite up-to-date
12:25:29Quelsarukso we (you) have to send a mail to the list saying so
12:25:41amiconnI ran uplang on it. The file grew from 42 KB to 77 KB
12:26:04Quelsarukmaybe voices?
12:26:07amiconnThere are also some really old strings in it
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12:26:23amiconn(Not only deprecated ones, but those that are completely gone)
12:26:42amiconn...from the time of monolithic rockbox
12:26:53amiconnwithout plugin system
12:27:33QuelsarukAntediluvian rockbox, i would say
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12:28:57amiconn$ grep -c "### Not previously translated" islenska_new.lang
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12:30:13amiconnGot my latest remark?
12:30:36Quelsarukthat are too many strings without translation
12:32:23amiconnI think I should post to the tracker, appending the uplang'ed file as well
12:32:57Quelsarukyes, taht's a good idea
12:33:13Quelsarukas you can see, i still have my wifi problems
12:33:23amiconnI can remove the deprecated strings myself beforehand
12:33:35amiconnRemove the translations, I mean
12:34:23Quelsarukif you have spare time :D
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12:45:45amiconnBah, uplang should (and could) handle deprecation automatically :/
12:46:22Bagderonly by changing the language file number
12:46:27Bagderwhich it doesn't
12:46:36Bagderit can't remove strings
12:46:46amiconnIt shouldn't remove them
12:46:59Bagderso what is "handle deprecation" ?
12:47:00Quelsarukwhat amiconn say is to remove the translated string
12:47:08Quelsaruknot the deprecated ID
12:47:14Bagderif the english is blank, you mean?
12:47:15amiconnIt should merely remove the new: string when it detects description == "DEPRECATED"
12:47:22Quelsarukif i understood correctly
12:47:42amiconnIt already detects changed descriptions, so this should be simple
12:47:43Quelsarukafternoon Bagder
12:47:53Bagderhowdy ho!
12:48:22Bagderamiconn: I'd say detecting a "" is better that depending on a specific description
12:48:41amiconnYes, that's better
12:49:02amiconnI'm currently going through the updated icelandic translation
12:49:17amiconnIt needs a lot more updating :(
12:50:21Quelsarukare you going to add the updated file to the tracker?
12:50:38Bagderwell, most translations need more translations !
12:50:57Bagderrasher's stat script showed that pretty clearly
12:50:59amiconnI can only do the part which doesn't require knowledge of Icelandic
12:51:29amiconnBagder: I'm talking about the updated translation announced on the ml
12:51:43BagderI understand
12:51:59amiconnDid you see the grep result?
12:52:06Quelsaruki think spanish need some up-to-date again...
12:52:26amiconnQuelsaruk: Most likely the triggered recording stuff, yes
12:53:00Quelsarukok, then i will install cygwin again tonight
12:53:05Quelsarukand i will update it
12:53:15Quelsaruk... next week. :D i promise
12:53:22amiconnYou don't need cygwin just to update the language
12:53:34Quelsaruki know
12:54:50Quelsaruki formated the hd, so i have to install a lot of things
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12:59:46MoosCamaroHi guys
13:00:17Quelsarukhi MoosCamaro
13:07:04amiconnislenska_new.lang checked. Down to 66 KB and 110 untranslated strings
13:08:02amiconnI should have checked earlier, but the islenska.lang in the tracker is identical to cvs :(
13:09:50Bagderperhaps he attached the wrong file
13:11:35amiconn...and it's also identical to the attachment in the ml :((
13:13:12Quelsarukmaybe Bagder is right
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13:41:57t0masis it "imported in" or "imported to" or "imported into" ?
13:42:02t0masthe last one right?
13:43:56ashridahdepends on the context.
13:44:30ashridahimported into sounds best, as in 'imported in to the country'
13:47:50t0masI imported bla into blabla.c
13:49:38Quelsaruki imported into blabla.c sounds ok for me... but i'm spanish :D
13:51:57HClimported in, exported to, imported into
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14:12:31t0mastnx HCl
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18:48:26t0mashm... missed a lot in the past 4,5 hours...
18:49:42preglowyes, things are moving fast today
18:50:11t0masah, someone alive! :)
18:50:43t0masdo you know something about automake/autoconf or manually setting up configure scripts preglow?
18:52:45t0masyeah, read that
18:53:00t0masoh... wait... I read the automake docs
18:53:37Bagderautoconf is for the configure script
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18:55:31t0masBagder: is rockbox using autoconf/automake ?
18:55:53Bagderthere's no point for Rockbox to use those
18:55:56t0masmakefile's are all made by hand?
18:56:20t0masyou wrote them? or everybody did a piece?
18:56:45Bagderthere have been lots of editing by various people
18:57:02Bagderbut I've done a fair share
18:58:07BagderI'm off again
18:58:51*t0mas is away again too... eating :)
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19:00:24wafroanyone seen bluEchiP?
19:00:47wafroor anyone else know about MIPS-X?
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19:11:28HClmips x?
19:13:14wafrodeveloped at stanford a long time ago
19:13:32wafroit's used in some ESS chips
19:13:51wafrono support in GNU toolchains for it
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19:17:36wafroit's being used in the Linksys PAP2 voip adapter, which is locked to Vonage
19:20:42preglowt0mas: i know nothing about that, no
19:20:52preglowcan't really claim i've have use for it
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21:58:19Tang_Hi t0mas
21:58:41Tang_i was testing if it worked since i experimented a connection failure
22:00:08Tang_the place seems quiet
22:00:35HCl :P
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22:23:25t0masinteresting news?
22:23:33preglownone from my part of town
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22:30:10HClbleach is cool :3
22:33:28MoosCamarohi guys
22:34:17preglowsemi related, though, the eq i plan to put in rockbox seems to be working fine
22:34:44MoosCamarohi preglow
22:34:58HClpreglow: nice
22:35:06HClwhere is linus anyways?
22:35:12HClstill cruising in his volvo?
22:35:20preglowholiday today, methinks
22:35:20HClyou would say he's run out of gas by now
22:35:32preglowhe was on yesterday
22:45:38Bagderwe have a "long weekend" in sweden atm
22:46:01Bagdernational holiday today
22:46:01MoosCamaroth bridge
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22:48:04MoosCamaroin france too
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22:52:34preglowholiday here as well
22:52:38preglowbut no long weekend, i think
22:54:05Bagderwell, many people take tomorrow off just because today is holiday
22:56:46preglowsounds like a good plan
23:01:14HClsame here.
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23:02:20HClits him!
23:02:26HClhow goes lin
23:02:27Bagdermr 320!
23:02:39LinusNthe man, the myth, the legend...the volvo cruiser
23:02:49LinusNthe H320 owner
23:02:49HCl XD
23:02:53preglowgotten a feel for the car yet?
23:02:55HClyou have an h320?
23:03:01LinusNgot it yesterday
23:03:11*Bagder tried it
23:03:17preglowso, is it nice?
23:03:32LinusNman, the user interface sucks even more than the H120
23:03:37preglowyes, i kind of figured
23:03:38Bagderits... colorful! ;-)
23:04:13Bagderit seems to shut off the lcd when the backlight goes off
23:04:15preglowthe user interface gives the impression that it handles as nicely as a turd
23:04:19LinusNthe car is nice btw
23:04:25preglowno surprises
23:04:46preglowBagder: colour lcds aren't very good without a backlight, no
23:04:57preglowthe term 'unusable' springs to mind
23:05:01LinusNhad to buy an fm transmitter to play my mp3 music in the car
23:05:02BagderI know
23:05:08Bagderbut this seems to shut off
23:05:12preglowLinusN: so no melbus specs?
23:05:16Bagderit shows _nothing_
23:05:17LinusNpreglow: nope
23:05:32amiconnpreglow: I thought the same until some weeks ago... until I saw the blackberry 72x0
23:05:33BagderI guess its a setting
23:05:53LinusNsomeday i'll hook up a logic analyzer and reverse engineer the protocol
23:05:59preglowBagder: sounds kind of shitty, not much power to be saved by switching off an lcd display, unless my memory fails me completely
23:06:03amiconnNow I know: there _are_ colour lcds that are usable without a backlight... and not glaring like hell
23:06:29amiconnI just wonder why the other type is still used in many devices...
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23:08:34preglowthe one on my phone sure as hell leaves something to be desired
23:09:27HCl (0:31) When a furre says {come Pikari},
23:09:27HCl (1:10) and the triggering furre is the dream owner,
23:09:27HCl (1:13) and the triggering furre is facing northeast (up and right),
23:09:27HCl (5:350) set variable %target to the X,Y position the triggering furre (moved from/is standing at).
23:09:30HCl (5:352) move the position in variable %target northeast (up and right) # step(s).
23:09:33HCl (3:2) at position (%pikastalk) on the map,
23:09:36HCl (5:17) move any furre present to (%target), or to someplace nearby if it's occupied.
23:09:59preglowyes, indeed
23:10:51HClstupid putty.
23:11:25HClLinusN: any progress on mp3?
23:11:29HClthat is.
23:11:45t0masLinusN: does Volvo have some cd changer / other hookup thing to the sound system?
23:11:59HClmy dad's has a cd player..
23:12:22LinusNt0mas: yes
23:12:34*amiconn likes his car stereo. It's equipped with 2 line inputs...
23:12:44preglowline input is indeed goodness
23:12:46*HCl bought a fake tape for his tape playing car radio...
23:12:50t0masLinusN: already hacked it? ;)
23:12:53HClwhich pretty much is the same as line input..
23:13:06amiconnHCl: Had that before. Sounds like crap compared o line in
23:13:14HCli don't have a linein :P
23:13:17*Bagder has that lame cassette thing as well
23:13:21HClits not like my speakers are great.
23:13:29HClso i'm happy, really :p
23:13:31LinusNt0mas: that is the MELBUS protocol we discussed a few minutes ago
23:13:54cxmI find cassette adapters vary a lot in quality
23:14:01amiconnHCl: The fake tape thing is mostly loosing bass
23:14:11HClamiconn: my speakers can't do bass anyways :P
23:14:19BagderI have plenty bass
23:14:19HClbut i haven't really noticed it, i must say.
23:14:30HClcxm: its probably that.
23:15:00cxmI had one so bad I threw it away. Later I bought a cheaper one and it worked better
23:15:28*HCl just has the original radio..
23:15:38cxmnext car will have sony+line in
23:17:14preglowthink i'll just drop the entire cd/tape/linein thing and mount a c64 in the stereo compartment
23:17:48*HCl is happy with anything that has 4 wheels and drives without burning too much fuel
23:17:49LinusNyeah, that's the only sane solution
23:18:10HClso hows mp3 playback?
23:18:18preglowwoo, naked h10
23:18:21LinusNthen you can spend the rest of your life optimizing the mp3 decoder
23:18:40HClno comment preglow.
23:19:00LinusNthe ultimate geek sign, when you get more excited about naked mp3 players than naked ladies
23:19:10preglowwhy, the detail!
23:19:26cxmwhere's the h10 porn?
23:20:12Bagderwhy would they use a codec chipset for mere AD DA?
23:20:27Bagderwolfson has those things too
23:20:37LinusNBagder: the manufacturers call them CODEC chips
23:20:40preglowi've decided not to spam the channel about my enthusiastic naked lady exclamations
23:20:47preglowi feel that h10 porn is at least related
23:20:51LinusNthe UDA1380 is a CODEC chip too
23:21:21Bagderthat explains it
23:21:34LinusNsort of
23:22:08preglowhmm, i can't remember if anyone ever figured out if the uda1380 can do full duplex
23:22:16t0masnice warning
23:22:18cxmhmm so it _is_ portal player
23:22:18preglowi had a look at the data sheets and found no indication that it's not possible
23:22:35t0maspreglow: philips reseller told me it's possible
23:22:42t0masbut never dared to email me :P
23:22:52preglowthe coward!
23:24:49LinusNi'd say full duplex is more of a coldfire problem
23:25:34preglowyes, i expected that, but at least the uda doesn't prohibit it
23:26:10t0mashm.. next iriver mod... a cpu cooler
23:26:28preglowtalking about the imdct_l thing, it seems all input and output data is in iram
23:26:34preglowat least it is on the stack, and that should be in iram
23:26:48preglowlibmad uses bloody 4 kilobytes of stack sometimes
23:27:08preglowclearly made with embedded platforms in mind
23:27:11*amiconn seems to have spotted an outdated feature request...
23:27:20t0masoh... something else... stackusage of main thread with cvs of yesterday
23:27:27t0masis it 99% for everybody?
23:27:36t0masor is mine someway doing something wrong>
23:27:46preglowi don't think that's working yet
23:27:46amiconn is probably obsolete since my exponential scroll speed settings...
23:28:04HClt0mas: where can you see that?
23:28:09t0masin debug menu
23:28:12amiconnt0mas: Stack usage check doesn't work for iriver yet iirc
23:28:15LinusNamiconn: yeah, close it
23:28:23t0masok, then that's the problem :)
23:28:34LinusNstack usage check should work...
23:28:37*HCl flops on the couch
23:28:47preglowHCl: hf
23:28:48amiconnSomebody tried to enable it - this lead to an immediate rockbox crash
23:28:56amiconnLinusN: Really?
23:29:06*HCl prods preglow with a stick to tell him how far things are with mp3 playback
23:29:31LinusNamiconn: yes, but the overflow check does not
23:29:32t0masok, can anybody then confirm main is at 99% ?
23:29:32preglowhow should i know?
23:29:45preglowt0mas: yes it is
23:29:53HClthats not a good thing.
23:29:55t0masthen it's not my build :)
23:30:26LinusNt0mas: the usage check *should* work, but there might still be a bug
23:31:44preglowLinusN: but yeah, seeing as how all data i fetch in that loop is in iram, i sincerely doubt moving the loop itself to iram will make any difference
23:31:56preglowLinusN: after the first iteration, all code and data should be in either cache or iram anyway
23:32:12LinusNso you moved the constants to iram?
23:32:18preglowthey always were in iram
23:32:18LinusNand the code?
23:32:26preglowthe code will be in cache after the first iteration
23:32:31preglowand there's 13 iterations or so
23:33:12preglowbut yeah, i really should just try it instead of talking about it, i'm just afraid i'll be stuck in rockbox coding land again ;)
23:33:43LinusNyou mean nirvana?
23:33:55preglowwell, yes, i have to reside in hell for at least two more months
23:35:42preglowi just plain don't understand it, the old imdct_l code has no loop, so will never utilize cache, it also has ALL constants implemented as
23:36:10preglowand still it is faster by far
23:37:24LinusNvery weird
23:38:03preglowsome kind of cycle counter would be nice
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23:42:12LinusNdidn't someone send a profiling patch to the tracker?
23:43:16preglowthat profile timer doesn't cut it
23:43:49preglowi guess i'd need microseconds
23:44:31preglowi also guess the interrupt overhead wouldn't exactly make for very accurate measurements in that case
23:46:50LinusNjust use a hardware timer
23:47:14*LinusN suspects that his cache enabling code isn't correct
23:47:24preglowthat would be... nice ;)
23:47:29HCl :p
23:47:39HCland it would stop preglow getting crazy too! :p
23:47:49preglowohh, i already am delightfully mad
23:47:53rasher *stab *stab*
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23:48:01HCl :P
23:48:16preglowand there's your contributing factor
23:48:48HCllooks like he broke something, heh.
23:49:06HClor is that screen meant to be so..... squarey.
23:49:19rasheror maybe it's just moire crap
23:49:32preglowit's just aliasing
23:49:34rasherthe lines don't look straight
23:49:42amiconnLinusN, Bagder: I'm seriously thinking about adapting this patch:
23:50:03amiconn...not only for Ondio, but also for FM/v2 recorder
23:50:11Bagdersounds like a good idea to me
23:50:22LinusNgo ahead
23:50:25amiconnHowever, I'm not sure about the best way to enable this mode
23:50:54amiconnHolding a button while plugging USB would be the best way, but then there is no spare button on Ondio
23:51:12rasherI wonder where pillo went.. his viewer patch was nice, but n ot completely bug free :-\
23:51:13amiconnHaving a menu option might be confusing
23:51:50Bagderwouldn't it be possible to "close" the usb mode with a key? case someone enables it by accident, he'll be puzzled why the box won't go into usb mode
23:52:48amiconnI already thought about a "one shot" menu option which disables itself after the usb is pulled again
23:53:08amiconnBagder: You mean, leave the USB screen with a button?
23:53:11preglowif the cache isn't correctly set up, then serious thought should be given to adapting the other imdct_l algo instead
23:53:17preglowmethinks i'll never be done with libmad
23:53:36Bagderamiconn: lots of free keys there methinks
23:53:43amiconnYes indeed
23:53:56HClpreglow: the faster it gets, the lower we can set the frequency, the more battery we'll have :3
23:54:05amiconnHowever, there should be a safety request then, to prevent leaving USB by accident
23:54:17Bagderyes probably
23:54:26amiconn...perhaps in the middle of a large file transfer. Ouch!
23:57:37amiconnHmm. Not entering USB mode in the first place would be better though
23:58:13amiconnThere's the problem with the MMC reset on Ondio, which requires the card to be pulled if it was accessed by rockbox before

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